Always been a 270Win fan and have owned a few. Got a new .270WSM last year in a Win modle 70 and truly love it. Extremely accurate and 300fps faster than my 270win's with the same recoil.
@@ReloadingWeatherby there's nothing inherently wrong with 270, but bot 270 win, and 270 wsm, are over powdered. The reason match shooters never go over 3000 fps when shooting is because it causes more barrel flex , and they find better results with heavy bullets that put velocity below 2800. Also less torque from less velocity and powder Yes, you need higher twist for heavier bullet, which adds back torque. . But basically, it's not the right route for optimal accuracy because if powder burns beyond the end of the barrel, that secondary explosion impacts bullet flight and hurts accuracy. 270 is fine, but it has to be loaded below max powder charge to be really accurate, at which point you might as well run creedmoor, which gives a lighter rifle and possible higher magazine capacity.
Maybe in and you're part of the country the 65 Creedmoor is a great round. out on the west coast where shooting through Timber and brush that long skinny 6.5 mm bullet is the last thing you want to take hunting. it touches a twig a leaf a branch it's going to Tumble and hit 14 ft away from your deer
@@sasquatchrosefarts you Creedmore guys are funny, good for deer but when guys go elk hunting with it, they are begging for a suffering elk, its like see what I can do with my Creedmore its not cool. And they probably have a 7mm or .300 win mag at home. One day its going to cost them a trophy bull those big elk are fricking tough! For ammo price alone I stay away from the Creedmore. Im getting a Christensen MPP the pistol in .308 and or the Sig Cross in .308 I haven't decided yet. TONS of .308 ammo out there for cheap. I have the Christensen MPR. 300 win mag as my bear and elk gun if I draw a multiseason tags, I am looking to get just a deer gun the .270 WSM or 6.8 Western for strictly deer or coyotes, cougar whatever out to 500 yards. 6.8 Western looks good ammo wise. Funny how this guy mentions recoil lol my MPR and its beastly muzzle break my 8 year old son shoots my .300 win mag like nothing
I wouldn’t say it’s a flop. It has a cult following, ammo and reloading components are bought up immediately. Good video, I agree with your general points and I enjoyed it!
Yeah i think it’s still pretty popular, if the number of factory loadings available are any indication. I thoroughly enjoy mine. It’s a workhorse rifle, not fancy in any way, but it’s a rifle I grab when I need a gun I just know will get the job done. I’ve taken many pronghorn, several deer, and quite a few elk with Barnes 140 grain TSXs with excellent results.
I do believe that it was kind of a flop because Winchester and Browning have to pay royalties for every rifle sold chambered in 270WSM. I believe they lost a court ruling in a lawsuit.....hence the new 6.8 western. Why pay royalties when you can offer a new, "updated" offering with a cool new name? Although I am glad a guy can find those higher bc bullets and faster twist rates now. Damn lawsuits. The 270WSM had so much to offer. My favorite cartridge.
You are 100% correct. Winchester and Browning lost the law suit and refuses royalties. What other gunmaker wants to get into this mess?.They should have paid royalties and other makers would have chambered for it. Big loss for us all.
I think its VERY popular!!! Most guys already have their deer rifles, I love my .300 win mag Christensen MPR I really wanted the .300 WSM I just love the big ol fat rounds! But for some reason the .270 WSM performs a LOT better then the regular .270!!
Thank you and I am really enjoying your channel. And I agree with your conclusions about the 270 WSM. I own and love my 270 win as about everybody else. And if WSM never came out until today, it would be competing with the 7 PRC which carries that advantage of shooting longer sleeker heavy for caliber bullets. So it has big shoes to fill.
Brother sold his wife's BLR 308. To get her a Remington M7 in 270 WSM, after firing mine. She has been filling the freezer for 20 years now with it. Only complaint they have is ammo availability. They both felt that the recoil of the Model 7 in 270 WSM was less than that of the Browning BLR in 308.
I used one for years with great success. Over the years, I removed the barrel, and the stock. Added a new bartlein barrel in 6.5 a new stock and a new trigger using the same Remington Action and the same 270WSM brass I had. Necked down my 270WSM brass to a 6.5 and now I use a 6.5WSM. But yes my kids and me ( back when they were kids) yes we took lots of venison to the table :)
Mine is a Rem 700 Boone & Crockett CDL that I picked up new once they became available. It’s incredible and shoots 140g Accubonds really well. I’ve mainly hunted Deer with it and a few coyotes. It’s a keeper.
Thanks for Making this video - I almost feel like it was specifically for me lol. I love the .270 WSM, but it definitely isn't the best option - to make it really work the best, I'd say a custom barrel with a better twist rate and some 160gr+ bullets are necessary. Personally, I wouldn't hesitate using one here in Africa for all Plains Game at 'any' range (within my personal limit).
270 wsm with 150gr has more ft lbs of energy than a 30-06 at a flatter trajectory. A lot of elk has been shot with 30-06 that’s all you need to know. But what do I know I hunt with a 7mm wsm which is even less popular but is phenomenal! My brother uses a 270wsm
RW, good breakdown. I like the 270 WSM when it came out. But to me it's just another good middle of the road cartridge. I never warmed up to it , because it didn't do much that my 270 wasn't doing and did less than my 30's were doing. Add in a clunky feed, difficult to find expensive ammo and limited bullet selection. I think the new 6.8 will see the same issues.
@@ReloadingWeatherby right. Is Winchester and Browning pulling a Remington by not pushing their cartridges, just letting them die a slow death? Or is the cartridge field populated to the point where it can't support new cartridges that are really just ballistic duplicates?
I would disagree on a couple points. Feeding in my experience has not been clunky; in fact I’ve never had a single issue in 10 years of running it. Also, cost is very similar to other magnum cartridges, albeit currently more difficult to find. Thanks a lot Covid.
I like the idea of the 6.8 western to standardize a faster twist in the 270 caliber, but there just hasn't been the traction to really get that cartridge in other rifles other than Browning and Winchester. The wsm does seem like a fantastic elk and deer cartridge, but I think another difficulty is good high bc bullets from the .277 caliber.
Yep, you're right. Hopefully once the 6.8x51 picks up, the 6.8 Western will get some love as well. As for Hogh BC bullets, there's a 165 Nosler AccuBond LR, 170gr Berger EOL and 175gr Sierra TGK... but I think that in the .270 WSM the 170's are too long for short action.
I've had my 270 WSM since it first came out. Mine is in a first production run of the Rem 700 XCR. Utter tack driver. To truly get everything out of it one needs to reload. I've taken all my deer with the 140gr Accubond. Picked up some 150 gr Accubonds to load up at some point. Also have some 135 gr Terminal Ascents that I have loaded to about 3300 fps. Federal is coming out with a 155 gr TA and curious to see if they will stabilize. If/when I need to rebarrel it, I'll stick with the 270 WSM but have it a 1-8" twist.
I have the same rifle. I haven't reloaded for it you. Can you share the heat bullet and powders yours like? I want to save on supplies! Mine has a custom muzzle brake and Graybo stock. Thanks
@@beamonk My 140gr Accubonds are using IMR 4350 powder with Fed 215 primers. The 135 Terminal Ascents use the Reloder 17 powder. I get better speed out of the RL17. I want to try the Reloder 26 but I haven't seen any on the shelves for years.
I have a remington 700 model 270wsm. My first rifle i bought myself when i turned 18. It was in 2006 when I purchased. I have dropped everything i ever shot with it. It loves almost any factory ammo. I do reload with 140 nosler partition. I almost sold it when i got the 6.5's and put it on ine of my local selling sites "Louisiana Sportsman" people were offering me 6 guns to trade. I just couldn't sell it. Too much sentimental value and I shot my 1st and biggest buck with it. I have 3 kids and 3 6.5's that I also love. I will pass them down the 6.5's and I'll hunt with ole 270wsm. I still take it out here and there.
I like the 270wsm and I like it a lot more than I did in the beginning.See I had a savage stainless steel rifle in it with a plastic stock and my main complaint with it was it wouldn’t feed the cartridge right and I missed a opportunity at a big buck because when I thought I had a cartridge in it there wasn’t and it went click. I sold it and later on here I bought a model 70 Winchester super grade and I love this rifle the control round feed is flawless and it is amazingly accurate you don’t know how happy I am with it. I am playing with hand loads for it being I kept all my shells and dies from the savage days I have got some mag pro powder to try in it I loaded some retumbo to begin with and I do have a little bit of reloader 22 I want to coni graph and get a good load
I ordered a Tikka t3 light 270 Win from Cabelas, however, they sent the WSM version. I kept it, not knowing that the ammo is more expensive and harder to find. Other than that, i have zero complaints. In fact our local CanadianTire had 10 boxes of the Winchester 150 grain. I quickly grabbed 3 boxes today. I have the same gun in 30-06. But I'm so partial to the WSM. Ive only killed deer with it, but i know it can do so much more
Got a 270 WSM for the wife. Good multi use calibre for her, deer/moose. Not quite the recoil of the bigger magnums. I use 270 win for deer so we have dual rifle for .277 reloading with no chance intermingling loadings.
I own at 270WSM. I take it hunting for all big game in Canada except Grizzly or Polar Bear. I take it moose hunting, yet to shoot one but I have no second guesses as to whether or not it will do the job. The deer and black bears I have used against it almost seemed like overkill as the damage from the impact was massive. That was using a 140gr and anything bigger would just be a mess 😂
So many people don’t reload and ammo is expensive and limited. The average person hunting doesn’t want to have to deal with finding ammo and paying more when and if they find it.. Still an excellent round and I should have got on to this calibre because it’s exactly what I need for my style of hunting. Some day…
I know this vids a year old, but usually always check out anything 270. Own and hunt w/both 270 and 270wsm. Love them both, but wsm brass is nearly impossible to find. Sure is a bummer....love reloading! Thanks for the video.
Cool caliber which should have been more popular. Winchester/Browning has generally done a poor job of getting companies like Ruger/Savage/Remington to chamber rifles in "their" cartridges. I could be wrong, but their last "popular" cartridge was the 308.
I have a Tikka T3 that I swapped over from 300wsm to 270wsm. Reasoning was two-fold. First, ammo availability- I couldn't find 300 at the time but saw a number of boxes of .270wsm so I figured I'd pick up a $100 tikka barrel off ebay and go for it. Second, I decided that within practical ranges, that 300 wouldn't do anything more than my 30-06 would as long as I did my part in taking a good shot- it's just hard to beat the dirty 30's for bullet weight selection & versatility. All that being said I like the .270wsm but I just might swap the tube again for a 7PRC as long as the market embraces the cartridge. Thinking back- I remember reading that a great fishing lure has to catch fisherman before it will ever catch fish. Same story with this industry- all marketing & hype. The elk won't care much if it's hit in the same spot by a .270win or a WSM.
I have 270 wsm in tika t3 lite. Love it used it for close to 20 years. Went to a 6.5 creedmoor with less kick. Still keep the 270 for elk hunts. Killed over 25 deer with it
I have a 270 WSM and I like mine much better than any of my 7mm Rem Mags, I know the calculator will tell you that they have the same recoil but I promise you the WSM is more manageable even with the same bullet weight, more akin to the 30-06 in that department. Mine like 150gr SGKs although I have found that a little heavy for deer since I moved to Texas at it leaves large gaping exit wounds on cross body shots leading me to believe that it still has a ton of energy on the exit.
From a european standpoint the 277. cartridges lack on heavy bullets over 154gr (10,0g), which the 284. calibers propose. Only Nosler have a 160 gr Partition on sell. For common driven hunts with the usual recommendation for a bolt rifle in 7mm and with a least 10g bullets is that to less. And in the next years leadfree bullets will become the new normal in European countries by European and national legislature. The 270 Win and the 270 WSM are fine cartridges, but they need more and heavier bullets for a fair fight on 7mm Cartridges like 7x64 or 280 Rem.
I have a browning A-bolt in 270 WSM, the first hand laod intired was gold. CCI mag (#250?) primers MAX load IMR4350. 130 GRAIN nosler partition. And i get sub moa groups. -- i struck gold, and wirh the velocity, i dont need a sifferent "flat shooter", IF i want bigger, i have guns like 500 automax, 375 RUM, 300 RUM. I was thinking about a 26 Nosler, but, not sure the juice is worth the squeeze?
I have a browning x bolt .270 wsm and from my experience deer hunting the ballistic tips tend to bust up the deer pretty bad, I like a smaller round like 6mm or .243 for blacktail deer
If I was going full custom, I'd go the .270 WSM, if I'd only be changing barrel or buying a factory rifle, I'd go the Western, but I'd use the 165gr Nosler AccuBond LR or 170gr Berger EOL - I'm not 100% sold on Berger's frangible style bullets, but I'd have to try them to know.
Ron spomer explains why the 270wsm isn’t popular anymore in fact it’s not even made in factory anymore if I understood him right. Definitely check his channel out if your curious about the 270wsm.
even here in Namibia we can find .270 WSM factory ammo at reasonable prices... I haven't seen 7 WSM. It would be a tough choice between the .300 and .270 WSM for me.
I love my 270 wsm in browning x bolt got a z3 swarovski on it cannot find ammo anywhere just ordered a 7mmprc may take the scope off and sell it so frustrating not being able to find ammo
@@AlaskanBallistics I believe you! Winchester will pump out ammo for its niche cartridges that hardly anyone who buy. I saw a lot of WSM ammo during the pandemic. Heck... my local place has a lot of 7mm WSM ammo. I bet that ammo has been there for at least a year
The 270 WSM is a GREAT cartridge that is going to probably die due to the success of the 7mm PRC. Such as shame. I love this cartridge. It filled a notch in between the 270 Win and the 270 Weatherby.
WSMs don’t feed well or smoothly. I had a 300WSM jam on a black bear hunt…luckily the first shot did the job. I sold it. It was easy to reload and accurate but hunting you need to cycle rounds fast and smoothly. I was very interested in the 6.8 western 1:8 but it doesn’t seem like it will make it. The other thing is that you can get five 270 or 280 Ackley rounds in a magazine where 3 is usually max for the 270 WSM. It’s a good round but it has a few drawbacks.
Came across a thread about rebarreling a Winchester Model 70 in 270wsm, to a 26" 1:8 twist barrel, loading 170gr EOL Berger bullets 3050 fps, that's faster than same bullet in 6.8 Western! SMH I'm keeping my 270wsm's and keep reloading and am considering a new rebarreling project lol
Yeah, arguably the 7's are better, but I have a thing about the .270 WSM. With a 1-8" Twist barrel, you can run the 165gr Nosler AccuBond Long Range, 170gr Berger EOL or 175gr Sierra TGK. If you compare the 7's and the .27's, in the Nosler lineup they're nearly identical, but at the same weight, the .27 is marginally better. I love the .270 WSM and I really get one, but realistically speaking, I think I'd go 6.5-284 or 6.5 PRC. Also, interesting side-note, if you compare the .270 WSM with the 165gr ABLR and the .300 WSM with the 190 ABLR, the .270 actually has better performance once you start pushing the distance... but by that point a small fraction would still take that shot at 600+
Love mine, the 270 WSM was the most popular of all the WSM’s according to gun writers during their era. Not sure where you’re coming up with the idea not many of them are in use. The industry pushes the new offerings like nothing else exists to help sales numbers.
Most hunters are deer hunters. They already have their dads old.270, 30-06 and 7mag. The WSM just cant change the field because the field is saturated with great old cartridges.
@@ReloadingWeatherby I've been enjoying the new found love for the .277 bullets. Seems like alot of people are picking sub .30 cals for big game, probably due to the advancement of bullet construction
Are you asking Erik Cortina this question on his channel as well? He thinks 600 yards is the farthest people and him(F-class world champion) should take game. At the end of the day Bob... this is just my opinion. I'm not asking for laws to be in place. I'm just trying to encourage people to think about the ethics. Doesn't mean they have to agree.
I heard you’re opinion and just wondered what you meant by it. Erik has his number then. Everyone should have their number. Do you think Erik should tell Mike or Aaron Davidson their number?
@@bobmcmillen4502 Forgot to reply to you... If Erik wants to tell Mike and Aaron Davidson.. he can if he wants. I don't care, it's Erik's opinion. You know what they say about opinions...they are like butts, everyone has one and they all stink. Again my stinky opinion is to encourage people to think about those long shots on game.
Put a 1:8 twist barrel and load up on 160 to 170gr bullets for serious performance The 1:10 twist barrel is holding the magnum back. Why put the same barrel as on the regular 270win?
I think the .277s and the 7mms have long been hampered by slow twist rates. If we had standardized on an 8.4 or even an 8 twist for these calibers, instead of a 9.5 for the 7mm and an even more ridiculous 10 twist for the .277s, it would open up more options and add a lot if utility to these cartridges. Being limited to 150 gr for the .277s limits its appeal to those hunting game heavier than deer. I really think the 6.8 Western is everything the .270 WSM should have been from the beginning, and I hope it catches on, because I am tired of hearing about the damn 6.5s.
I love my 6.8 western. It has way more potential when you handload than Winchester and brownings factory offerings. They have really sold it short. I'm still creeping up slowly since reloading data is at a minimum, and what's out there is extremely conservative. The 165 accubond factory offering for example gives a velocity of 2970 on the box. I've already got 162 hammer hunters going almost 3200. The 175 sierra tipped game king factory offerings are advertised at 2835fps. I have them going a little over 3000fps so far. I've also got the 170 bergers up closer to 3100. I haven't reached pressure in any of my testing so far. And I don't know if I just got a dandy of a barrel, but it shoots everything lights out. It even shoots the factory 175s at half inch. I've got some of my handloads down to .2s. it's my favorite cartridge now, and I really hope it catches on. If not, I guess it's a good thing I reload
@@brycelathrop1604 How long is your barrel? Each rifle will have different velocities, but I always figured the load data for 6.8 Western was really slow.
Awesome cartridge but seems like 6.8 just replaced it as a 1% better cartridge lol I have a random box of 270wsm and don't even own a 270wsm rifle. Seen a 300wsm model 70 for $400 couple days ago.
I have a 270 WSM. I like the round and the rifle. But the numbers you presented show other calibers to be right in the same category of performance as the 270 WSM falls in. Not much better than 270 Win., and very close to .30-06 and 7mm Rem Mag, in performance. It is really just a matter of preference in what you want to shoot.
I agree that the 7mm Rem Mag must have been what is keeping the 270 WSM from getting popular. But I don't think it is just a question of the 7mm Rem Mag being already capable of doing the same with a 150gn bullet. It has more to do with the fact the 7mm Rem Mag can use 2 really cummon heavier bullet weights (165 & 175) with its standard twist rate. The 270 WSM is just stuck with 150gn because of its design limitation (twist rate & C.O.L.).. unless you go with a custom build... witch is probably too much trouble compare to just buying a standard 7mm Rem Mag... or a 6.8 Western maybe! ;)
Yep, you're right, but I'd go down that custom setup rabbit hole if money wasn't a question... but because it is, I'm going with a 6.5-284 or PRC next.. just makes more sense... unfortunately lol
@@marcmoore4115 6.5 PRC is definitely on my radar. It is getting really popular and available. Balistically better than the classic 270 Win using about the same bullet weights. Better velocity and B.C. Probably beats the 270 WSM beyond a certain range. Does not replace the 7mm Rem Mag though.
@@feuerland81 yeah, I'm in the line to rebarrel my .308 at some point, probably next year. I'm looking for a relatively cheap cartridge to use for LR target shooting, but can also hunt Gemsbok (I live in Africa - Gemsbok are similarly sized to Elk). For me a 6.5 Magnum makes the most sense, so my 3 main contenders there are the PRC, 6.5-284 and 6.5 Sherman Short Mag - I like odd cartridges, so I'm leaning more towards the -284. 130gr AccuBond going over 3000fps will be a good combo - all 3 do it though, so the choice is tough lol. I'll probably end up with the PRC, because it's easiest to get Reamers and all those things.
7mm rem mag and 270wsm are too close... because the 7mm exists exactly... even the 270Winchester alone had alot of complaints about it being too fast for lighter bullets (130s@3150 fps) and the wsm just multiplies the issue so theres no reason to have it unless you're wanting to fling the heavier ones a little faster... on that note, with the 7mm you get better b.c. bullet options and the only reason to have a magnum is to shoot a heavier bullet anyway so you're just punishing yourself with recoil and burning extra powder for marginal performance with the 270wsm
270 win feeds smoother, 270 Weatherby kicks it’s ass in feeding and speed, 6.8 western shoots longer heavier bullets. It’s the bastard child of the 270’s. It would be cool in a LA Tikka with a custom twist barrel. However with the new 6.8 and inbound 7mm PRC, I don’t see getting the wsm unless the rifle was super cheap.
My 270 Win has a 22 inch barrel. I can usually get exactly what the book says. So I'm not sure there is a big difference with what I showed in the video.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Thanks. I am trying to figure out the advantages of the .270 win over the .270 wsm other than ammo price and availability. Feeding is usually smoother from a .270 win and should hold more rounds than a similarly built rifle in .270 wsm. Driving those 150 grain bullets at 3150 fps is not negligible though, putting the .270 wsm near a .270 wby performance.
Ha it’s a piece. I have a 378 Weatherby that will do anything and it has less recoil than a 30 06. Know I have always wanted a 340 Weatherby. Hum be a good comparison. Your welcome. Ha just kidding if I get a 340 I will let you know.
why isn't it more poplar simple no ammo company wanted to perfect the load or bullets or the gun companys wanted to tighten any tolerances and 1in plus groups were good enough 300 yard shoots were long shots now its 600 yards plus so hornady said hey lets make better ammo plus made a few new ones and here we go old stuff is still good but hornady is just better in ever way more testing is done until its meets there goal then we have another one better then what was in its class then everbody says why do we need another 7mm or 6.5 or 6mm or what ever. then plenty of ammo is built then old stuff is hard to find and pricing is sky high when people cant hardly find ammo they switch to somthing that they can find ammo easy.
Mmmm I don't think I can agree with that.. people will pick apart .308, .30-06 and .300 Win Mag all the time - Handloads with the WSM can push 300-400fps faster than .270 Win can.. That's a tremendously sizable difference in my opinion. I've heard of loads on a couple forums, of .270 WSM's pushing 170gr Bergers at around 3000fps! Personally, the WSM or 6.8 Western is my pick of the .277's, but I'd go 6.5-284 or PRC before I go to a .27.
@@marcmoore4115 I agree with you. I have a 270 wsm and I get 2950fps with 165g vld's out of stock twist barrel with extremely good accuracy and over 3300fps with Barnes LRX 129g. It's a great cartridge for people who Like to reload and tinker
It flopped cause Winchester has to pay royalties to some jackass that sued them saying he designed the cartridge so why make rifles or ammo. Weatherby is better than both!
I wasn't even going to comment to your video But here goes. No# 1 do you even own a 270 wsm to be talking about it No#2 A rifle is like a individual person. Each rifle behavior are different You take two rifles same caliber same bullets One would shoot one hundred feet per seconds slower and the other might shoot a couple of hundred feet per seconds faster and show no signs of high pressure. No 3 Talking about a caliber use a reloading manuals. A reloading manuals are a starting point. A starting point and ending point to follow. No every load well do as that manual says. Because each rifle or a pistol have there own character like a person. No.4 About 3.7 billions people in United States. 75% of them owns fire arms Every one have their own personally just like every rifle and pistol they own. .no.5 For me I like some of your videos. When you start talking about a rifle calibers using a reloading manuals makes me think you really don't even own one of those caliber you are talking about. But I still watch these videos I still give you a like even if I don't like them. Sorry
Thanks Frankie for commenting. I will try to answer all of your questions/points. 1. No I don't own a 270 WSM 2. I'm very well aware that each rifle is very different. My 300 Weatherby shoots way faster than the books say. My 270 Winchester matches what the books say. 3. You're correct that the reloading manuals are a starting point, I like refer to them as a baseline. This is what your rifle should get, but each rifle will vary. 4. Did you mean to say 300,000,000 people in the U.S.? 5. It's all good Frankie, not all of my videos are going to appeal to everyone. Thanks for watching, commenting and liking the video.
@@ReloadingWeatherby This guy .270 WSM's lol. Personally, I love these types of videos - realistically speaking, I don't think anyone could tell the difference between a 6mm or .30 cal on an Elk shot with perfect placement and the same bullet design.. I've seen a video of a 6 ARC at more than 450 yards killing an Elk quicker than I've seen some 7mm and 30's do it at 100 yards. So for me these are all purely hypothetical and get into the nitty-gritty of what makes a cartridge that 1% 'better' than a different, for whatever reason it may be. Keep up these fun videos :D
if no ammo who cares about it? useless to own if cant use so many alternatives some face similar issues with lack of support. some just rediculously expensive yes nosler and weatherby it is you.
Short mags? Stay home. Buy a 270 or a 25-06. Old school tells all. Maybe a 308. Dont get me rollin on creeds n prc. Target shooting kool. Hunt with shit that has been working for years
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I love mine. I got it in the early 2000's. Still using it to this day. I retired my 300 win mag for this gun.
Thanks for sharing
Always been a 270Win fan and have owned a few. Got a new .270WSM last year in a Win modle 70 and truly love it. Extremely accurate and 300fps faster than my 270win's with the same recoil.
Thanks for sharing
@@ReloadingWeatherby there's nothing inherently wrong with 270, but bot 270 win, and 270 wsm, are over powdered. The reason match shooters never go over 3000 fps when shooting is because it causes more barrel flex , and they find better results with heavy bullets that put velocity below 2800. Also less torque from less velocity and powder Yes, you need higher twist for heavier bullet, which adds back torque. . But basically, it's not the right route for optimal accuracy because if powder burns beyond the end of the barrel, that secondary explosion impacts bullet flight and hurts accuracy. 270 is fine, but it has to be loaded below max powder charge to be really accurate, at which point you might as well run creedmoor, which gives a lighter rifle and possible higher magazine capacity.
@@ReloadingWeatherby 156 grain 6.5 creedmoor is going to be Lazer accurate. Even though numerically it sounds slow at 2500 fps.
Maybe in and you're part of the country the 65 Creedmoor is a great round.
out on the west coast where shooting through Timber and brush that long skinny 6.5 mm bullet is the last thing you want to take hunting.
it touches a twig a leaf a branch it's going to Tumble and hit 14 ft away from your deer
@@sasquatchrosefarts you Creedmore guys are funny, good for deer but when guys go elk hunting with it, they are begging for a suffering elk, its like see what I can do with my Creedmore its not cool. And they probably have a 7mm or .300 win mag at home. One day its going to cost them a trophy bull those big elk are fricking tough! For ammo price alone I stay away from the Creedmore. Im getting a Christensen MPP the pistol in .308 and or the Sig Cross in .308 I haven't decided yet. TONS of .308 ammo out there for cheap. I have the Christensen MPR. 300 win mag as my bear and elk gun if I draw a multiseason tags, I am looking to get just a deer gun the .270 WSM or 6.8 Western for strictly deer or coyotes, cougar whatever out to 500 yards. 6.8 Western looks good ammo wise. Funny how this guy mentions recoil lol my MPR and its beastly muzzle break my 8 year old son shoots my .300 win mag like nothing
The .270 WSM is a beast. I have a Tikka Hunter that is an absolute keeper.
Nice
I wouldn’t say it’s a flop. It has a cult following, ammo and reloading components are bought up immediately. Good video, I agree with your general points and I enjoyed it!
Flop was a harsh word..... It isn't mainstream.
Yeah i think it’s still pretty popular, if the number of factory loadings available are any indication. I thoroughly enjoy mine. It’s a workhorse rifle, not fancy in any way, but it’s a rifle I grab when I need a gun I just know will get the job done. I’ve taken many pronghorn, several deer, and quite a few elk with Barnes 140 grain TSXs with excellent results.
@@phild9813 awesome!
It's a darn good cartridge!
I do believe that it was kind of a flop because Winchester and Browning have to pay royalties for every rifle sold chambered in 270WSM. I believe they lost a court ruling in a lawsuit.....hence the new 6.8 western. Why pay royalties when you can offer a new, "updated" offering with a cool new name? Although I am glad a guy can find those higher bc bullets and faster twist rates now. Damn lawsuits. The 270WSM had so much to offer. My favorite cartridge.
You are 100% correct. Winchester and Browning lost the law suit and refuses royalties. What other gunmaker wants to get into this mess?.They should have paid royalties and other makers would have chambered for it. Big loss for us all.
I believe the same problem extends to the ammo manufacturers as well and it makes the wsm rounds harder to find and more expensive.
I think its VERY popular!!! Most guys already have their deer rifles, I love my .300 win mag Christensen MPR I really wanted the .300 WSM I just love the big ol fat rounds! But for some reason the .270 WSM performs a LOT better then the regular .270!!
Thank you and I am really enjoying your channel. And I agree with your conclusions about the 270 WSM. I own and love my 270 win as about everybody else. And if WSM never came out until today, it would be competing with the 7 PRC which carries that advantage of shooting longer sleeker heavy for caliber bullets. So it has big shoes to fill.
Thanks Jeff for watching
I picked up a Winchester model 70 coyote in 270 wsm back in 2003. It's still my favorite rifle.
Nice!
I've got the same year gun with a FN tactical stock on it
Brother sold his wife's BLR 308. To get her a Remington M7 in 270 WSM, after firing mine. She has been filling the freezer for 20 years now with it. Only complaint they have is ammo availability. They both felt that the recoil of the Model 7 in 270 WSM was less than that of the Browning BLR in 308.
I used one for years with great success. Over the years, I removed the barrel, and the stock. Added a new bartlein barrel in 6.5 a new stock and a new trigger using the same Remington Action and the same 270WSM brass I had. Necked down my 270WSM brass to a 6.5 and now I use a 6.5WSM. But yes my kids and me ( back when they were kids) yes we took lots of venison to the table :)
Mine is a Rem 700 Boone & Crockett CDL that I picked up new once they became available. It’s incredible and shoots 140g Accubonds really well. I’ve mainly hunted Deer with it and a few coyotes. It’s a keeper.
Thanks for sharing!
Cool cartridge for sure never met anyone that owns one , I still would take a 270win with a 145Eldx .
Thanks for Making this video - I almost feel like it was specifically for me lol. I love the .270 WSM, but it definitely isn't the best option - to make it really work the best, I'd say a custom barrel with a better twist rate and some 160gr+ bullets are necessary. Personally, I wouldn't hesitate using one here in Africa for all Plains Game at 'any' range (within my personal limit).
Thanks for commenting Marc. The 270 WSM is a good one.
270 wsm with nosler 150gr accubond lr has high BC and will most things on the planet or tough animals barnes is another good choice
270 wsm with 150gr has more ft lbs of energy than a 30-06 at a flatter trajectory. A lot of elk has been shot with 30-06 that’s all you need to know. But what do I know I hunt with a 7mm wsm which is even less popular but is phenomenal! My brother uses a 270wsm
I run a 270 WSM with 117gr Hammers at 3400+ fps with zero pressure. It does work. Wish I could find more brass for it.
RW, good breakdown. I like the 270 WSM when it came out. But to me it's just another good middle of the road cartridge. I never warmed up to it , because it didn't do much that my 270 wasn't doing and did less than my 30's were doing. Add in a clunky feed, difficult to find expensive ammo and limited bullet selection. I think the new 6.8 will see the same issues.
I hope the 6.8 Western has success... but with only Winchester and Browning supporting it, I have my fears it will become the next 270 WSM.
@@ReloadingWeatherby right. Is Winchester and Browning pulling a Remington by not pushing their cartridges, just letting them die a slow death? Or is the cartridge field populated to the point where it can't support new cartridges that are really just ballistic duplicates?
I would disagree on a couple points. Feeding in my experience has not been clunky; in fact I’ve never had a single issue in 10 years of running it. Also, cost is very similar to other magnum cartridges, albeit currently more difficult to find. Thanks a lot Covid.
I love mine, great for hunting and I also shoot mine for long range target/steel out to 1000m, very effective, very flat shooting and tight groups.
I like the idea of the 6.8 western to standardize a faster twist in the 270 caliber, but there just hasn't been the traction to really get that cartridge in other rifles other than Browning and Winchester. The wsm does seem like a fantastic elk and deer cartridge, but I think another difficulty is good high bc bullets from the .277 caliber.
Yeah.... I agree
Yep, you're right. Hopefully once the 6.8x51 picks up, the 6.8 Western will get some love as well. As for Hogh BC bullets, there's a 165 Nosler AccuBond LR, 170gr Berger EOL and 175gr Sierra TGK... but I think that in the .270 WSM the 170's are too long for short action.
Awesome round , shot about 100 odd red deer and smaller fallow deer out to about 450yds 140 accubond at 3200fps kimber rifle accurate as hell.
I've had my 270 WSM since it first came out. Mine is in a first production run of the Rem 700 XCR. Utter tack driver. To truly get everything out of it one needs to reload. I've taken all my deer with the 140gr Accubond. Picked up some 150 gr Accubonds to load up at some point. Also have some 135 gr Terminal Ascents that I have loaded to about 3300 fps. Federal is coming out with a 155 gr TA and curious to see if they will stabilize. If/when I need to rebarrel it, I'll stick with the 270 WSM but have it a 1-8" twist.
Thanks for sharing
I have the same rifle. I haven't reloaded for it you. Can you share the heat bullet and powders yours like? I want to save on supplies! Mine has a custom muzzle brake and Graybo stock. Thanks
@@beamonk My 140gr Accubonds are using IMR 4350 powder with Fed 215 primers. The 135 Terminal Ascents use the Reloder 17 powder. I get better speed out of the RL17. I want to try the Reloder 26 but I haven't seen any on the shelves for years.
I have a remington 700 model 270wsm. My first rifle i bought myself when i turned 18. It was in 2006 when I purchased. I have dropped everything i ever shot with it. It loves almost any factory ammo. I do reload with 140 nosler partition. I almost sold it when i got the 6.5's and put it on ine of my local selling sites "Louisiana Sportsman" people were offering me 6 guns to trade. I just couldn't sell it. Too much sentimental value and I shot my 1st and biggest buck with it. I have 3 kids and 3 6.5's that I also love. I will pass them down the 6.5's and I'll hunt with ole 270wsm. I still take it out here and there.
I like the 270wsm and I like it a lot more than I did in the beginning.See I had a savage stainless steel rifle in it with a plastic stock and my main complaint with it was it wouldn’t feed the cartridge right and I missed a opportunity at a big buck because when I thought I had a cartridge in it there wasn’t and it went click. I sold it and later on here I bought a model 70 Winchester super grade and I love this rifle the control round feed is flawless and it is amazingly accurate you don’t know how happy I am with it. I am playing with hand loads for it being I kept all my shells and dies from the savage days I have got some mag pro powder to try in it I loaded some retumbo to begin with and I do have a little bit of reloader 22 I want to coni graph and get a good load
Thanks for sharing! Model 70 rifles are great
I ordered a Tikka t3 light 270 Win from Cabelas, however, they sent the WSM version. I kept it, not knowing that the ammo is more expensive and harder to find. Other than that, i have zero complaints. In fact our local CanadianTire had 10 boxes of the Winchester 150 grain. I quickly grabbed 3 boxes today. I have the same gun in 30-06. But I'm so partial to the WSM. Ive only killed deer with it, but i know it can do so much more
It's a good cartridge.
Got a 270 WSM for the wife. Good multi use calibre for her, deer/moose. Not quite the recoil of the bigger magnums. I use 270 win for deer so we have dual rifle for .277 reloading with no chance intermingling loadings.
Nice
270 WSM is also my favorite round. So hard to find ammo. Please please start getting it back on the shelves!
I own at 270WSM.
I take it hunting for all big game in Canada except Grizzly or Polar Bear.
I take it moose hunting, yet to shoot one but I have no second guesses as to whether or not it will do the job.
The deer and black bears I have used against it almost seemed like overkill as the damage from the impact was massive. That was using a 140gr and anything bigger would just be a mess 😂
Thanks for sharing!
So many people don’t reload and ammo is expensive and limited. The average person hunting doesn’t want to have to deal with finding ammo and paying more when and if they find it.. Still an excellent round and I should have got on to this calibre because it’s exactly what I need for my style of hunting. Some day…
I know this vids a year old, but usually always check out anything 270. Own and hunt w/both 270 and 270wsm. Love them both, but wsm brass is nearly impossible to find. Sure is a bummer....love reloading! Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching! I have a good friend with a 270WSM. He finally found got Norma brass after 2 years of looking and waiting for it to come
Cool caliber which should have been more popular. Winchester/Browning has generally done a poor job of getting companies like Ruger/Savage/Remington to chamber rifles in "their" cartridges. I could be wrong, but their last "popular" cartridge was the 308.
The 300 Win mag came after the 308.... but yeah, Winchester is falling behind with new innovative cartridges.
@@ReloadingWeatherby I forgot about the 300WM. It will be interesting to see if they can get other gunmakers to offer 6.8 Western
I have a Tikka T3 that I swapped over from 300wsm to 270wsm. Reasoning was two-fold. First, ammo availability- I couldn't find 300 at the time but saw a number of boxes of .270wsm so I figured I'd pick up a $100 tikka barrel off ebay and go for it. Second, I decided that within practical ranges, that 300 wouldn't do anything more than my 30-06 would as long as I did my part in taking a good shot- it's just hard to beat the dirty 30's for bullet weight selection & versatility. All that being said I like the .270wsm but I just might swap the tube again for a 7PRC as long as the market embraces the cartridge. Thinking back- I remember reading that a great fishing lure has to catch fisherman before it will ever catch fish. Same story with this industry- all marketing & hype. The elk won't care much if it's hit in the same spot by a .270win or a WSM.
I think the 7mm PRC has a lot of hype to it
@@ReloadingWeatherby I agree.... I'm toying with the idea because the PRC's will work with the WSM bolt face- then again, so will a 7 Rem Mag.
Nice comparison. I will stay with my. 270 win though.
I have 270 wsm in tika t3 lite. Love it used it for close to 20 years. Went to a 6.5 creedmoor with less kick. Still keep the 270 for elk hunts. Killed over 25 deer with it
I have a 270 WSM and I like mine much better than any of my 7mm Rem Mags, I know the calculator will tell you that they have the same recoil but I promise you the WSM is more manageable even with the same bullet weight, more akin to the 30-06 in that department. Mine like 150gr SGKs although I have found that a little heavy for deer since I moved to Texas at it leaves large gaping exit wounds on cross body shots leading me to believe that it still has a ton of energy on the exit.
Thanks for sharing!
From a european standpoint the 277. cartridges lack on heavy bullets over 154gr (10,0g), which the 284. calibers propose. Only Nosler have a 160 gr Partition on sell. For common driven hunts with the usual recommendation for a bolt rifle in 7mm and with a least 10g bullets is that to less. And in the next years leadfree bullets will become the new normal in European countries by European and national legislature. The 270 Win and the 270 WSM are fine cartridges, but they need more and heavier bullets for a fair fight on 7mm Cartridges like 7x64 or 280 Rem.
Exactly
I have a browning A-bolt in 270 WSM, the first hand laod intired was gold.
CCI mag (#250?) primers MAX load IMR4350. 130 GRAIN nosler partition. And i get sub moa groups. -- i struck gold, and wirh the velocity, i dont need a sifferent "flat shooter", IF i want bigger, i have guns like 500 automax, 375 RUM, 300 RUM.
I was thinking about a 26 Nosler, but, not sure the juice is worth the squeeze?
I have a browning x bolt .270 wsm and from my experience deer hunting the ballistic tips tend to bust up the deer pretty bad, I like a smaller round like 6mm or .243 for blacktail deer
that particular bullet is way too soft for wsm speeds bonded or copper for magnums
If I'm going to do a "short mag" style cartridge, especially in .277" cal, I'd shoot the new 6.8 Western-- with a Barnes Bullet.
Makes sense, might as well get the modern version of it.
I'm with you man.
If I was going full custom, I'd go the .270 WSM, if I'd only be changing barrel or buying a factory rifle, I'd go the Western, but I'd use the 165gr Nosler AccuBond LR or 170gr Berger EOL - I'm not 100% sold on Berger's frangible style bullets, but I'd have to try them to know.
Reinventing the wheel. 270 WSM vs 270 Weatherby vs 270 win, etc., etc. etc.
Great round. Ammo is almost impossible to find around me now
Ron spomer explains why the 270wsm isn’t popular anymore in fact it’s not even made in factory anymore if I understood him right. Definitely check his channel out if your curious about the 270wsm.
Rifles and ammo are still available
Best caliber I've ever used on whitetail
Nice
I shoot the 270 Weatherby Magnum. If I was going to have a WSM it would be the 7mm.
Interesting... I would think the 7mm WSM is even more niche than the 270 WSM
even here in Namibia we can find .270 WSM factory ammo at reasonable prices... I haven't seen 7 WSM. It would be a tough choice between the .300 and .270 WSM for me.
I love my 270 wsm in browning x bolt got a z3 swarovski on it cannot find ammo anywhere just ordered a 7mmprc may take the scope off and sell it so frustrating not being able to find ammo
I can find tons online
My 270 WSM is an awesome cartridge. Zaps whitetails like they got hit by lightning
For a while this was the only caliber on the shelf at the bass pro shop in Anchorage
haha
@@ReloadingWeatherby Brother I wish I was joking.
@@AlaskanBallistics I believe you! Winchester will pump out ammo for its niche cartridges that hardly anyone who buy. I saw a lot of WSM ammo during the pandemic. Heck... my local place has a lot of 7mm WSM ammo. I bet that ammo has been there for at least a year
I still like my 300 wsm better 😎 bigger bullet. The 150gr going at 3300 will do the job and after bullet 👍🏻 but I know there 270 lovers out there
The 270 WSM is a GREAT cartridge that is going to probably die due to the success of the 7mm PRC. Such as shame. I love this cartridge. It filled a notch in between the 270 Win and the 270 Weatherby.
WSMs don’t feed well or smoothly. I had a 300WSM jam on a black bear hunt…luckily the first shot did the job. I sold it. It was easy to reload and accurate but hunting you need to cycle rounds fast and smoothly. I was very interested in the 6.8 western 1:8 but it doesn’t seem like it will make it. The other thing is that you can get five 270 or 280 Ackley rounds in a magazine where 3 is usually max for the 270 WSM. It’s a good round but it has a few drawbacks.
My only experience with a 300 WSM... it fed terribly
Came across a thread about rebarreling a Winchester Model 70 in 270wsm, to a 26" 1:8 twist barrel, loading 170gr EOL Berger bullets 3050 fps, that's faster than same bullet in 6.8 Western! SMH I'm keeping my 270wsm's and keep reloading and am considering a new rebarreling project lol
There's no doubt that the 7mm magnums are superior with their high ballistic coefficient and heavy bullets.
Yep
Yeah, arguably the 7's are better, but I have a thing about the .270 WSM. With a 1-8" Twist barrel, you can run the 165gr Nosler AccuBond Long Range, 170gr Berger EOL or 175gr Sierra TGK. If you compare the 7's and the .27's, in the Nosler lineup they're nearly identical, but at the same weight, the .27 is marginally better. I love the .270 WSM and I really get one, but realistically speaking, I think I'd go 6.5-284 or 6.5 PRC. Also, interesting side-note, if you compare the .270 WSM with the 165gr ABLR and the .300 WSM with the 190 ABLR, the .270 actually has better performance once you start pushing the distance... but by that point a small fraction would still take that shot at 600+
My Browning BLR takedown is chambered in 270 WSM. It shoots flat and hits hard. Ammo is hard to find though.
Thanks for sharing!
Love mine, the 270 WSM was the most popular of all the WSM’s according to gun writers during their era. Not sure where you’re coming up with the idea not many of them are in use. The industry pushes the new offerings like nothing else exists to help sales numbers.
270 wsm cam be loaded high 3400fps with 150grain vld. Can take more pressure from shorter case
3400?
Most hunters are deer hunters. They already have their dads old.270, 30-06 and 7mag. The WSM just cant change the field because the field is saturated with great old cartridges.
Any tips on where to get 270 WSM boolits (and brass) for reloading? I'm scouring the Interwebs and have yet to find a source.
Nope... good luck
The short action is a plus when you need a light rifle for the mountain hunt
Yep
Seen a 270 wsm drop a moose dead in its tracks, it's an impressive cartridge
Yes it is!
@@ReloadingWeatherby I've been enjoying the new found love for the .277 bullets. Seems like alot of people are picking sub .30 cals for big game, probably due to the advancement of bullet construction
Hey great segment what book are you using for reference? Looks like it has a lot of info in it
Nosler reloading manual 9
Ight I’ll check it out I appreciate the reply
To answer the title question: I don't know. Maybe it's because we already have the 7mmRM. Just a guess.
It's cool comparing cartridges and everyone including myself has favorites but get a 30-06 and a 375 H&H and Hunt the world.
There you go
You mentioned hunting ethics. Do you think you and Aaron Davidson ethical long range shot are the same distance?
How about your ethical shot and my ethical shot? Same distance??
Are you asking Erik Cortina this question on his channel as well? He thinks 600 yards is the farthest people and him(F-class world champion) should take game.
At the end of the day Bob... this is just my opinion. I'm not asking for laws to be in place. I'm just trying to encourage people to think about the ethics. Doesn't mean they have to agree.
I heard you’re opinion and just wondered what you meant by it. Erik has his number then. Everyone should have their number. Do you think Erik should tell Mike or Aaron Davidson their number?
@@bobmcmillen4502 Forgot to reply to you... If Erik wants to tell Mike and Aaron Davidson.. he can if he wants. I don't care, it's Erik's opinion. You know what they say about opinions...they are like butts, everyone has one and they all stink.
Again my stinky opinion is to encourage people to think about those long shots on game.
I use 120 grain sst in mine and it’s like Thor’s hammer on whitetail
Put a 1:8 twist barrel and load up on 160 to 170gr bullets for serious performance
The 1:10 twist barrel is holding the magnum back. Why put the same barrel as on the regular 270win?
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I think the .277s and the 7mms have long been hampered by slow twist rates. If we had standardized on an 8.4 or even an 8 twist for these calibers, instead of a 9.5 for the 7mm and an even more ridiculous 10 twist for the .277s, it would open up more options and add a lot if utility to these cartridges.
Being limited to 150 gr for the .277s limits its appeal to those hunting game heavier than deer. I really think the 6.8 Western is everything the .270 WSM should have been from the beginning, and I hope it catches on, because I am tired of hearing about the damn 6.5s.
I agree... I hope the .277 calibers become more popular
I love my 6.8 western. It has way more potential when you handload than Winchester and brownings factory offerings. They have really sold it short. I'm still creeping up slowly since reloading data is at a minimum, and what's out there is extremely conservative. The 165 accubond factory offering for example gives a velocity of 2970 on the box. I've already got 162 hammer hunters going almost 3200. The 175 sierra tipped game king factory offerings are advertised at 2835fps. I have them going a little over 3000fps so far. I've also got the 170 bergers up closer to 3100. I haven't reached pressure in any of my testing so far. And I don't know if I just got a dandy of a barrel, but it shoots everything lights out. It even shoots the factory 175s at half inch. I've got some of my handloads down to .2s. it's my favorite cartridge now, and I really hope it catches on. If not, I guess it's a good thing I reload
@@brycelathrop1604 How long is your barrel? Each rifle will have different velocities, but I always figured the load data for 6.8 Western was really slow.
@@ReloadingWeatherby it's a 26inch barrel
@@brycelathrop1604 I think most 6.8 Western rifles have 24 inch barrels. So yours is probably a little faster then most
Awesome cartridge but seems like 6.8 just replaced it as a 1% better cartridge lol I have a random box of 270wsm and don't even own a 270wsm rifle. Seen a 300wsm model 70 for $400 couple days ago.
Wanted a 223 wssm. But them days are over! Dollar short and late.
I agree with you it Flopped. I think the reason is Brass availability and it doesn't have the cool factor sleek bullets and a fast twist.
I don't reload so the ammo offerings are limited, it's almost all XP. I want some Nosler BT's.
I’ve owned a model 70 270 wsm for over 20 years , has never let me down whitetails coyotes black bears up close to 360 yards no troubles
Thanks for sharing!
270 WSM should have faster twist, 1 in 8 perhaps.
It should, but I don't think it will happen. Winchester also created the 6.8 Western
I love mine but have had a hard time finding ammunition for the last two years.
270 wsm vs 7mm ...well same thing perhaps! however 270 wsm has a shorter barrel in most cases and less recoil. Generally lol
Why did you say the 7mm RemMag is “a lot more versatile”? Just curious.
Because it has more bullets it can shoot. 120 gr- 168 gr. While the 270 WSM is 100 gr- 150 gr. You can shoot heavier and higher b.c. bullets in 7 mag
I have a 270 WSM. I like the round and the rifle. But the numbers you presented show other calibers to be right in the same category of performance as the 270 WSM falls in. Not much better than 270 Win., and very close to .30-06 and 7mm Rem Mag, in performance. It is really just a matter of preference in what you want to shoot.
Yep, a lot of great options
Thee First 6.8 Western!
Haha yep
I agree that the 7mm Rem Mag must have been what is keeping the 270 WSM from getting popular. But I don't think it is just a question of the 7mm Rem Mag being already capable of doing the same with a 150gn bullet. It has more to do with the fact the 7mm Rem Mag can use 2 really cummon heavier bullet weights (165 & 175) with its standard twist rate. The 270 WSM is just stuck with 150gn because of its design limitation (twist rate & C.O.L.).. unless you go with a custom build... witch is probably too much trouble compare to just buying a standard 7mm Rem Mag... or a 6.8 Western maybe! ;)
I agree
Yep, you're right, but I'd go down that custom setup rabbit hole if money wasn't a question... but because it is, I'm going with a 6.5-284 or PRC next.. just makes more sense... unfortunately lol
@@marcmoore4115 6.5 PRC is definitely on my radar. It is getting really popular and available. Balistically better than the classic 270 Win using about the same bullet weights. Better velocity and B.C. Probably beats the 270 WSM beyond a certain range. Does not replace the 7mm Rem Mag though.
@@feuerland81 yeah, I'm in the line to rebarrel my .308 at some point, probably next year. I'm looking for a relatively cheap cartridge to use for LR target shooting, but can also hunt Gemsbok (I live in Africa - Gemsbok are similarly sized to Elk). For me a 6.5 Magnum makes the most sense, so my 3 main contenders there are the PRC, 6.5-284 and 6.5 Sherman Short Mag - I like odd cartridges, so I'm leaning more towards the -284. 130gr AccuBond going over 3000fps will be a good combo - all 3 do it though, so the choice is tough lol. I'll probably end up with the PRC, because it's easiest to get Reamers and all those things.
7mm rem mag and 270wsm are too close... because the 7mm exists exactly... even the 270Winchester alone had alot of complaints about it being too fast for lighter bullets (130s@3150 fps) and the wsm just multiplies the issue so theres no reason to have it unless you're wanting to fling the heavier ones a little faster... on that note, with the 7mm you get better b.c. bullet options and the only reason to have a magnum is to shoot a heavier bullet anyway so you're just punishing yourself with recoil and burning extra powder for marginal performance with the 270wsm
Thanks for watching
I thought there was some patent law suits with the wsm cartridges.
That was also a issue
I don’t understand why the 7wsm died. I like it better than both.
Yeah....
270 win feeds smoother, 270 Weatherby kicks it’s ass in feeding and speed, 6.8 western shoots longer heavier bullets. It’s the bastard child of the 270’s. It would be cool in a LA Tikka with a custom twist barrel. However with the new 6.8 and inbound 7mm PRC, I don’t see getting the wsm unless the rifle was super cheap.
Not a bad cartridge, but does it do anything more than the 270 Win, much less the 270 Wby?
Its 300 fps faster then 270 win isnt belted and ia a modern case design and much cheaper than 270 weatherby
You miss the point of the WSM. Short action light weight rifle.
Hey hit up the 458 SOCOM. 😜
Where do i get that book?
You can get it here www.amazon.com/vdp/08490c05a5094f60b626eb2c7e052e85
How does a .270 WSM compares to a .270 win with a 22" barrel?
My 270 Win has a 22 inch barrel. I can usually get exactly what the book says. So I'm not sure there is a big difference with what I showed in the video.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Thanks. I am trying to figure out the advantages of the .270 win over the .270 wsm other than ammo price and availability. Feeding is usually smoother from a .270 win and should hold more rounds than a similarly built rifle in .270 wsm. Driving those 150 grain bullets at 3150 fps is not negligible though, putting the .270 wsm near a .270 wby performance.
Great cartridge but ammo is stupid expensive!
I don't think it's that expensive... but when you buy Weatherby ammo everything else is cheap
I always wanted a 270wsm in a lightweight rifle for sheep.
You should do it
I have a Remington model 700 in 270wsm. The rifle weighs 7lbs with scope and all. The recoild is very smooth actually
To be honest there's a lot of cartridges that should have been more popular
Ha it’s a piece. I have a 378 Weatherby that will do anything and it has less recoil than a 30 06. Know I have always wanted a 340 Weatherby. Hum be a good comparison. Your welcome. Ha just kidding if I get a 340 I will let you know.
why isn't it more poplar simple no ammo company wanted to perfect the load or bullets or the gun companys wanted to tighten any tolerances and 1in plus groups were good enough 300 yard shoots were long shots now its 600 yards plus so hornady said hey lets make better ammo plus made a few new ones and here we go old stuff is still good but hornady is just better in ever way more testing is done until its meets there goal then we have another one better then what was in its class then everbody says why do we need another 7mm or 6.5 or 6mm or what ever. then plenty of ammo is built then old stuff is hard to find and pricing is sky high when people cant hardly find ammo they switch to somthing that they can find ammo easy.
Thanks for watching
Hard to find the woman caliber now
6.5 Creedmoor?
So why just one buy a 30'06
Yep
270 wby is better than the rest.
one adds another 100 yards burns more powder , kicks more $$$ ammo enough said ole timer wins again
There isn't enough difference between the 270 WSM and the standard 270 to justify the 270 WSMs existence.
Yeah
The wsm had the almost same ballistic as a 270 wby
Mmmm I don't think I can agree with that.. people will pick apart .308, .30-06 and .300 Win Mag all the time - Handloads with the WSM can push 300-400fps faster than .270 Win can.. That's a tremendously sizable difference in my opinion. I've heard of loads on a couple forums, of .270 WSM's pushing 170gr Bergers at around 3000fps! Personally, the WSM or 6.8 Western is my pick of the .277's, but I'd go 6.5-284 or PRC before I go to a .27.
@@marcmoore4115 I agree with you. I have a 270 wsm and I get 2950fps with 165g vld's out of stock twist barrel with extremely good accuracy and over 3300fps with Barnes LRX 129g. It's a great cartridge for people who Like to reload and tinker
It flopped cause Winchester has to pay royalties to some jackass that sued them saying he designed the cartridge so why make rifles or ammo. Weatherby is better than both!
I wasn't even going to comment to your video
But here goes.
No# 1 do you even own a 270 wsm to be talking about it
No#2
A rifle is like a individual person.
Each rifle behavior are different
You take two rifles same caliber same bullets
One would shoot one hundred feet per seconds slower and the other might shoot a couple of hundred feet per seconds faster and show no signs of high pressure.
No 3
Talking about a caliber use a reloading manuals.
A reloading manuals are a starting point. A starting point and ending point to follow.
No every load well do as that manual says. Because each rifle or a pistol have there own character like a person.
No.4
About 3.7 billions people in United States.
75% of them owns fire arms
Every one have their own personally just like every rifle and pistol they own.
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For me I like some of your videos.
When you start talking about a rifle calibers using a reloading manuals makes me think you really don't even own one of those caliber you are talking about.
But I still watch these videos
I still give you a like even if I don't like them. Sorry
Thanks Frankie for commenting. I will try to answer all of your questions/points.
1. No I don't own a 270 WSM
2. I'm very well aware that each rifle is very different. My 300 Weatherby shoots way faster than the books say. My 270 Winchester matches what the books say.
3. You're correct that the reloading manuals are a starting point, I like refer to them as a baseline. This is what your rifle should get, but each rifle will vary.
4. Did you mean to say 300,000,000 people in the U.S.?
5. It's all good Frankie, not all of my videos are going to appeal to everyone. Thanks for watching, commenting and liking the video.
@@ReloadingWeatherby This guy .270 WSM's lol. Personally, I love these types of videos - realistically speaking, I don't think anyone could tell the difference between a 6mm or .30 cal on an Elk shot with perfect placement and the same bullet design.. I've seen a video of a 6 ARC at more than 450 yards killing an Elk quicker than I've seen some 7mm and 30's do it at 100 yards. So for me these are all purely hypothetical and get into the nitty-gritty of what makes a cartridge that 1% 'better' than a different, for whatever reason it may be. Keep up these fun videos :D
if no ammo who cares about it? useless to own if cant use so many alternatives some face similar issues with lack of support. some just rediculously expensive yes nosler and weatherby it is you.
Short mags? Stay home. Buy a 270 or a 25-06. Old school tells all. Maybe a 308. Dont get me rollin on creeds n prc. Target shooting kool. Hunt with shit that has been working for years
Because it's short and fat and my 270 Weatherby Magnum out performs it.
Some people are into short and fat. It seems to be the latest craze right now.