+ 1. I was thinking as I watched this, the years of knowledge and skills these two guys have, not just in this case but in general policing (for some of us) is impressive and comforting.
Everything revolves around Police.corruption , as ever brilliant and very interesting. Liquid bullet hope you have arranged that David McKelvey.& Albert will return very soon, I've learnt more this week than I have in quite a while regarding everything.
wish i could post a recording from last week on here. corruption top to bottom left to right as a cop told me. it dont have to be a big case for corruption, dont fget betts, and why they wanted the 2 suppliers inside. the top 5 of the chain gone in one night.
i still think old bill done it, the armed response unit had intel they had guns on them, so stopped them down the lane and just shot them i think it was that simple, they already knew there was a meet in lane... they was under Surveillance ? but it just stopped that night? ye ok!!! anyway thanks for another great update really enjoyed this, i suffer with chrons disease so im home alot listening to podcasts/documentarys so this keeps me sane! cheers
Jasper said that the fella he took to rettendon came back with a bag. Could he have been cleaning the crime scene and recovering drugs or cash before police were aware of murders
John - The Crowns case is that Steele drove his Hilux to the Hungry Horse with Tate Tucker and Rolfe following behind him. At Hungry Horse Steele allegedly gets into the rear of the Range Rover and they go off to the Lane. Whomes as soon as the Range Rover appeared at the Halfway House pub car park told Nicholls to drive off and then dropped Whomes off at the top of the Lane. Albert
I would guess that the person who rang up with information saying that he’s name is Dennis wise , is a BS name ,because at that time and year of the crime,Dennis wise was the name of the Chelsea captain, England player , who was very famous at that time,
Another great interview guys . Is any of what youve found so far , able to convince the Crime Audit guys to give Mick his appeal hearing ? Have any of you been allowed to speak to Mick ?
i think one reason that Essex police and others are dragging their feet or not forthcoming is that other people will be caught up in this and possible other illegal events and they don't to implicate themselves.
Watched the BBC doc few years ago with Dave McKelvey about corruption in Essex Police Force. That must've been frightening to have to endure some of stuff that was aimed at him from supposed colleagues and also(you'd think)your comrades......
David / Patrick. I've Looked so many times at the b/w Arial view of the crime scene, and here's where I totally agree with Patrick when he made reference to his view that the range rover had "wheel spin"? In my eyes, the car was inside the gate, Rolf turned the wheel to his left and I reckon that's where they were murdered. Look closely at the Tyre tracks? It appears to me the car came to a halt, it was then towed back through the gate, the spent cartridges were the strewn around the car, hence so many footprints ie trainers, wellington boots etc. I'm convinced Rolf had his foot on the brake seconds after he was the first to be shot, 7-8 seconds after, all 3 were dead. It seems a lot of chain to use to secure a busted gate. That's why whoever opened the gate took their time until the gunman was behind the bushes on the left (as you look down, so driver's side) there's your wheel spin Patrick ( I hope) Steve.
Not trying to be a DCI but I remember commenting somewhere on a crime scene to courtroom post about the rear wiper being used recently, this coupled with your comment, which as a professional driver I completely agree with, it’s blatantly obvious that Range Rover went further down/up the track than where it was discovered.
A huge revelation (for me) is that Jasper was a trusted Met snout. If his information and intelligence had shown results in the past, that really changes things. I had previously treated Nicolls and Jasper in equal measure because they both had something to gain by lying. But Jasper being a trusted snout (taken at McKelvey's word) really does turn the dials...it doesn't prove anything, of course; but it does turn the dials.
All that missing information that the police and government, CPS held back makes a absolute mockery of this country as it slips away, I know what I would do if I was really in the know about the police and stuff that went on, I herd one little bit, and it really hit home and it’s not about the Essex boys case per-say. But if something was made about those things, and I’m sure as a bargaining chip you would get what you want, as this case will be a lesser, cos that’s the only way they do things
Yes something not right about the crime scene. Blood did flow from Tate.s head down outside of Range Rover on nearside into tyre track rut. But offside where it came from is not clear. Albert
I Still think the Murders took place closer to the gun club and lake, then the rang rover was rolled back into the lane. Pat Tate wasn't dead by then. Darren mentions in his book blogs 19, about Trying to put Tucker back in the Range Rover, but wonder if he meant Pat Tate, that's how the blood was all in the tyre ruts on the passenger side. Darren panicked and forced off two/three more shots at Tate to kill him.😮😮😮😊😊😊.
What/where ever it happened I think there had to be at least 2 gunmen. Shooting 3 targets without a hair out of place on any of them tells me they were ambushed and shot by a second gunman.
I have two questions for Dave and Albert. 1; Nichols says, "they arrived at the Halfway House. They hid and Steel got out of the Hilux and got into the Range Rover then it drove off. Then Whomes said to Nichols right let's go"! If Steel got in The Range Rover at The Halfway House then who drove his car to the Hungry Horse where they picked it up supposedly after the murders? Unless one of them can bilocate it's impossible? 2; How did so much blood get outside of the Range Rover and flow down the mud throughs right into the field beyond the gate as testified by the pathologist? Surely if they were shot in the vehicle there would be pools of blood on the seats the floor the doors and it would be a lot. An average human has 8 pints of blood. Someone bleeding out after head injuries in particular would shed numerous pints of blood really quickly, yet all it looks like is a spattering on the seats and doors and dash. This was 3 big guys supposedly shot in the vehicle? There would have been 12-24 pints of blood pooled, congealed and frozen in the Range Rover. So, something is out of kilter about that. Thanks guys and great work Allround including Liquid Bullet Productions.
On point 2, Rolfe and Tate look likely to have been shot in the car but Tucker with mud on his boots and blood in the door frame doesn't look right. Was he executed outside while Tate was made to watch? There was also a Canvey theory with shots heard so as Albert says you got to be open to this just being a dump site, thus no guns etc. I'm not sure we'll ever know unless someone who witnessed it speaks out. Essex Police most llikely have all the answers in my book. Fucking disgraceful way of acting for decades.
On point 2 Tate was shot in the head with some of the shot breaking the window, he was leaning over to the left and his head was partially out of the damaged window Regarding the amount of blood once your heart stops, gravity takes over and any blood lower than the wound wouldn't exit the wound but would pool at the lower extremities, in a sitting position it would pool in your bum, bottom of your thighs and feet
@@codenamenel yea! Bang on! Tate was also shot in the liver which would be profuse, bleeding on the back seat and floor of The Range Rover. We're talking pints of blood from his body alone. I mean a pint of any liquid is a lot. If someone sills a pint in a pub it covers a huge area. Blood is thicker but would pool more. Imagine a guy almost 20 stone and another two in an enclosed space. The whole place would be covered in blood. The ceiling, doors, seats floor and dash, even the windows. There was only one window blown out? Why wasn't Tucker's near side window and the front screen blown out or pitted? They were all shot in the head except for Tates shot to the liver. What were the forensics and Dopy Dibley and the corrupt investigation cops thinking they could get away with. They are all a disgrace to good investigative work and amongst the worst of all time probably worldwide. They should be in The Guinness Book of worst records.
The police fitted them up. It was the police who set up the meet under the guise of a deal. They pulled the detail off them the day before knowing what was gonna happen. Armed police apprehended them while Paul Betts took his vengeance and Nicholls was working with the police to help set it and cover it up using Steel and Whomes as convenient scapegoats.
Nah not for me. I'm open to the theory that the police having prior knowledge that the murders would take place but not Betts. Not so sure About that....
A very interesting subject. Though one thing that is often glossed over and disregarded are the Autopsy results. I was the one who started mushroomGate as it was called a year or back on another channel (Crime scene 2 courtroom). It has always been a a matter of conjecture as to what time they were murdered. We know they were at TGI Fridays in Lakeside around lunchtime and during that time one or more of them consumed mushrooms. Mushrooms are not an easy thing for humans to digest. Assuming they didn't eat anything after their lunch ( why would they, they were going out for a celebration meal at 8pm) when the autopsies were performed a quantity of partly digested food matter containing mushrooms was found in the stomach of either Tucker or Rolf (I do remember that Tates stomach was empty, but we can put that down to his physiology of being a body builder with a quick digestive system). Go Ask a medical expert how long it takes for the stomach to empty into the small intestine and to continue with digestion. I believe it takes anywhere from two to four hours, so if you say the latter it would mean the digestive process in the stomach stopped around 6 pm.. ish when they died. The thing that I picked up on was the mushrooms in the stomach. Were they the same mushrooms from lunch, in which case how could the stomach still have food in it containing mushrooms at midnight if that's when they died? Nobody has ever said they saw them eating anywhere else after lunch and in any case as I said before, they were going to Romford for a big meal.
there is a reason your not to eat 2 hour prior to opperation. because your stomach needs to be empty. the reason you should not eat 2hour prior to going bed its the same reason not good to lie down to sleep with food in your tummy.. small intestine to exit. anywhere between 4 hours in my case, 8 to 24 standard, and up to and over 6 days. fluid and fine particles go through much quicker. if you chew your food allott, quicker. the acid in stomach keeps digesting after death. the stomach has acid in it what will keep dissolving the food.
As a stoma nurse digestion varies in everybody. It depends how much you chew and the type of food your eating aswell and if your eating on an empty stomach. Mushrooms are notoriously hard to digest. Same as sweetcorn. Some people's bodies can empty really fast and others can have a sluggish system. Certain drugs in the system like you mentioned can also speed up the process. I've got a patient who's system can take 5 days to empty. But realistically in my opinion if they ate at lunchtime and there's still food in the stomach at autopsy then the window of digestion can be anywhere from 5 to 8 hours. Especially with mushrooms as they need at least 5 hours to move through the stomach. But if you die then your body stops the entire digestion process and enzymes take over. Food will basically rot inside you as you rot. So things will remain in the stomach.
It was a statement, whoever was able to get them down that lane unarmed was either trusted or not deemed a threat. That person or persons could just as easily have them pull into a warehouse never to be seen again, no fuss just 3 mispers. So surely, for some reason this had to be public, even with all the complications that that would entail. Could be that someone wanted it to be in every newspaper and television channel and they had the pull or leverage to get others to do their bidding, or it was a statement saying look how powerful we are, now take heed. The horse bolted 25 years ago and the stable door has rotted off its hinges.
So do these guys thick Jack W and M Steele weren't there at all? Or they did take them down the lane for someone else to shoot?. Genuinely would appreciate some feedback/ answers.
They didn't do it Paul, Mick was elsewhere getting fuel and had a receipt timed making it impossible for him to be there and Jack had been asked by Nicholls to recover his broken down Passat from a pub about a mile or two away from the crime scene.
I am unsure how strong Albert s point is about Jack's phone use shortly after 5.00 pm Albert suggests his phone use puts him at Sudbury at this time This being the case he could not have been at Mark's Try at the time Nicholls suggests Two points suggest themselves to me This account given by Nicholls was many months after the murders so it's unreasonable to expect precise accuracy in his account Secondly ..am I not right in believing that at the time of Jacks phone use he could have been on the outskirts of the area covered by the transmitter so quite close to Mark's Tey On a broader point I am surprised that Albert and David continue to cling to the wreckage of Jacks ridiculous statement that he just happened to be up the road from the farm track at the time the police believe they were shot because he had travelled from Suffolk to pick up his pals vehicle which happened to have broken down at that spot. Can I suggest that this needs to be abandoned and an alternative explanation be found for Whome s presence if the sceptics are to be converted
All the witnesses hearing gun shots all say the same thing. There was a flurry of gun shots ,none of them say there was a gap then more gunshots. This means the shotgun must have had a extended magazine, as most take five some six without one. Billy Jasper states that the shotgun was sawn off. There were eight stots in total there fore the gun must have been full length as the magazine would be longer than the barrel so wouldn't fit in the bag. You would have to strip it down for it to fit. Billy says the gun was alreay assembled. This fact alone dissmises his version of events. Please could you clarify this matter.
In the UK a shotgun certificate cover's a pump or semi-auto up to 3 shot, you can get 5 shot with a firearms certificate. Before the laws changed in the late 90's you could get 8 shot shotgun's (probably still can illegally), & yea, it could have been one with the stock cut-off. Definitely an 8 shot weapon used & most likely a semi-automatic.
Have you ever thought about looking at other deaths in the area, around that time, maybe one’s to look like sucicde or a car or motorcycle accident,.. busy, busy, busy, that’s what that area was about, and threat’s handed out Willy nilly, it made no sense to go to bae systems for a phone expert, (who said that he was going to change sides) (but didn’t, because it was a rouse to slow down getting another for the Defense) when you have all the very best companies in the area, , like Marconi, but no because, stuff was being covered up there the early books really are accurate and, it’s amazing what a lady was told, who was absolutely trusted by many people involved or was in the loop, many people lost their lives after either by their own hand or others
What time were they first placed in the lane? If Jasper’s theory says midnight, how long would they have been messing about in the dark? Before they were shot. Seems odd.
@thomaswilliams 6 hours This is only one of many reasons that David and Alberts theory lacks credibility Perish the thought but did the jury get it right?
lol i came from around that way and moved away by that time but when i heard i said straight away old bill done it. Essex was a funny little place back in the day. mmmmm! The Pub in south Ockendon! which one? the Knight? the Jack? lol I think the Knight has been shut down now for some years there used to be a few pups there.
The only thing we need to see to tell if they were alive after 6.45 is the original call log for tates phone also i believe they habe got one of craigs rolfes phone but never disclosed the info
So has this Angela Yallop actually done a forensic examination of the range rover, or exhibits?. How long after the murders did essex police keep the range rover for. I thought it was gotten rid of reasonably quickly; and is there a legal amount of time that vehicles like that have to be kept for after a serious crime.
I’m sure police used to use or still do branded hitek boot trainers don’t ask me how or why I just remember seeing it somewhere years ago like a high top trainer crossed with a leather boot could that be the print you talk off
Question to the team...do you think that Tate was killed after Tucker and Rolf. Did he arrive with Tucker and Rolf and then leave the scene to return later? On his return Tucker and Rolf had been killed and then he was. I think Tate may have double crossed Tucker and Rolf
The sound is dreadful, it sounds like a pound shop microphone 😂 but anyhow Answer me this ANYBODY Jack whomes is now been released But no story from him or sueing the police for unlawfully convicted it’s all gone quiet, corruption at its finest , nobody and I mean nobody on the surface or fringes of things will ever find the truth
He's not allowed to discuss , but I've asked a few times now . Is that normal ? He's served his full sentence so why isn't he allowed to speak about it , plenty of other ex criminals even Mafia guys with multiple murders on their hands are on podcasts talking about their crimes .
Just guessing but after 25 yrs he’s probably sick of the whole scenario. No compo is going to get his sentence back, he probably just wants to move on.
Jasper was looking at a big bit of bird when he made his claim. Just so happened the bloke he put up as the hitman was a face in the who had recently died You lot are gullible
@@TheSavagederekNichols was looking at like 5 years not big bird 🤣 and Jasper didn't only mention Gayle he mentions dean hagerty as the shooter and he's a know shooter he's still alive I believe no way Steele and wholmes are doing a triple murder for a first murder they ever convicted 😂
Nicholls was working in Sunbury on Thames near Heathrow and says he met Steele Whomes at Marks Tey at 5pm Whomes was at Sudbury at 12mins past 5 his cell site puts him there and could not have driven to the meet until after 5.30pm. Albert
6:25 David wasn't on the case at the time.Unless I am wrong neither was Albert.They are trying to clear 2 innocent men..and are not jumping on the gravy train
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+ 1.
I was thinking as I watched this, the years of knowledge and skills these two guys have, not just in this case but in general policing (for some of us) is impressive and comforting.
This channel , these guys and the genuine analogies they give are so addictive to listen to.
Everything revolves around Police.corruption , as ever brilliant and very interesting. Liquid bullet hope you have arranged that David McKelvey.& Albert will return very soon, I've learnt more this week than I have in quite a while regarding everything.
We need more on the police corruption , could listen for hours
wish i could post a recording from last week on here. corruption top to bottom left to right as a cop told me.
it dont have to be a big case for corruption, dont fget betts, and why they wanted the 2 suppliers inside. the top 5 of the chain gone in one night.
There is now gangters in the uk there history
Worth bearing in mind that while Essex police are obviously corrupt and bent as hell, so are so many other police forces up and down the country.
i still think old bill done it, the armed response unit had intel they had guns on them, so stopped them down the lane and just shot them i think it was that simple, they already knew there was a meet in lane... they was under Surveillance ? but it just stopped that night? ye ok!!! anyway thanks for another great update really enjoyed this, i suffer with chrons disease so im home alot listening to podcasts/documentarys so this keeps me sane! cheers
Great insight into the Essex Boys murders…..the Essex police have a lot of answering to do
Your doing an amazing job, keep going let’s hope you can crack the this bottomless corruption.
Jasper said that the fella he took to rettendon came back with a bag. Could he have been cleaning the crime scene and recovering drugs or cash before police were aware of murders
Very interesting, but they end too soon ha . I could listen to them talk for hours.
John - The Crowns case is that Steele drove his Hilux to the Hungry Horse with Tate Tucker and Rolfe following behind him. At Hungry Horse Steele allegedly gets into the rear of the Range Rover and they go off to the Lane. Whomes as soon as the Range Rover appeared at the Halfway House pub car park told Nicholls to drive off and then dropped Whomes off at the top of the Lane. Albert
I’m rtrrq 😢
I would guess that the person who rang up with information saying that he’s name is Dennis wise , is a BS name ,because at that time and year of the crime,Dennis wise was the name of the Chelsea captain, England player , who was very famous at that time,
Another great interview guys . Is any of what youve found so far , able to convince the Crime Audit guys to give Mick his appeal hearing ? Have any of you been allowed to speak to Mick ?
i think one reason that Essex police and others are dragging their feet or not forthcoming is that other people will be caught up in this and possible other illegal events and they don't to implicate themselves.
Watched the BBC doc few years ago with Dave McKelvey about corruption in Essex Police Force. That must've been frightening to have to endure some of stuff that was aimed at him from supposed colleagues and also(you'd think)your comrades......
David / Patrick. I've Looked so many times at the b/w Arial view of the crime scene, and here's where I totally agree with Patrick when he made reference to his view that the range rover had "wheel spin"?
In my eyes, the car was inside the gate, Rolf turned the wheel to his left and I reckon that's where they were murdered. Look closely at the Tyre tracks? It appears to me the car came to a halt, it was then towed back through the gate, the spent cartridges were the strewn around the car, hence so many footprints ie trainers, wellington boots etc. I'm convinced Rolf had his foot on the brake seconds after he was the first to be shot, 7-8 seconds after, all 3 were dead. It seems a lot of chain to use to secure a busted gate. That's why whoever opened the gate took their time until the gunman was behind the bushes on the left (as you look down, so driver's side) there's your wheel spin Patrick ( I hope)
Steve.
Not trying to be a DCI but I remember commenting somewhere on a crime scene to courtroom post about the rear wiper being used recently, this coupled with your comment, which as a professional driver I completely agree with, it’s blatantly obvious that Range Rover went further down/up the track than where it was discovered.
@@racinsnake7129 is that Crime scene to courtroom guy believing David & Albert or still thinking he knows best?
He just rambles about nonsense that fella...@@beckyhicks1063
A huge revelation (for me) is that Jasper was a trusted Met snout. If his information and intelligence had shown results in the past, that really changes things. I had previously treated Nicolls and Jasper in equal measure because they both had something to gain by lying. But Jasper being a trusted snout (taken at McKelvey's word) really does turn the dials...it doesn't prove anything, of course; but it does turn the dials.
Frank Spencer would have done a better investigation than the Essex police
Another great video looking forward to the next one
Great watch. Informative and interesting. Hope you guys get to the truth. One day!
THE POLICE JUST PINNED THE MURDERS ON JACK AND MICHAEL .AND TOLD DARREN YOU SAY WHAT WE WANT YOU TO SAY .GET THE PICTURE
All that missing information that the police and government, CPS held back makes a absolute mockery of this country as it slips away, I know what I would do if I was really in the know about the police and stuff that went on, I herd one little bit, and it really hit home and it’s not about the Essex boys case per-say. But if something was made about those things, and I’m sure as a bargaining chip you would get what you want, as this case will be a lesser, cos that’s the only way they do things
Yes something not right about the crime scene. Blood did flow from Tate.s head down outside of Range Rover on nearside into tyre track rut. But offside where it came from is not clear. Albert
I Still think the Murders took place closer to the gun club and lake, then the rang rover was rolled back into the lane. Pat Tate wasn't dead by then.
Darren mentions in his book blogs 19, about Trying to put Tucker back in the Range Rover, but wonder if he meant Pat Tate, that's how the blood was all in the tyre ruts on the passenger side.
Darren panicked and forced off two/three more shots at Tate to kill him.😮😮😮😊😊😊.
What/where ever it happened I think there had to be at least 2 gunmen. Shooting 3 targets without a hair out of place on any of them tells me they were ambushed and shot by a second gunman.
@@racinsnake7129 held at gunpoint by old bill
I have two questions for Dave and Albert.
1; Nichols says, "they arrived at the Halfway House. They hid and Steel got out of the Hilux and got into the Range Rover then it drove off. Then Whomes said to Nichols right let's go"! If Steel got in The Range Rover at The Halfway House then who drove his car to the Hungry Horse where they picked it up supposedly after the murders?
Unless one of them can bilocate it's impossible?
2; How did so much blood get outside of the Range Rover and flow down the mud throughs right into the field beyond the gate as testified by the pathologist? Surely if they were shot in the vehicle there would be pools of blood on the seats the floor the doors and it would be a lot. An average human has 8 pints of blood. Someone bleeding out after head injuries in particular would shed numerous pints of blood really quickly, yet all it looks like is a spattering on the seats and doors and dash.
This was 3 big guys supposedly shot in the vehicle? There would have been 12-24 pints of blood pooled, congealed and frozen in the Range Rover. So, something is out of kilter about that.
Thanks guys and great work Allround including Liquid Bullet Productions.
On point 2, Rolfe and Tate look likely to have been shot in the car but Tucker with mud on his boots and blood in the door frame doesn't look right. Was he executed outside while Tate was made to watch? There was also a Canvey theory with shots heard so as Albert says you got to be open to this just being a dump site, thus no guns etc. I'm not sure we'll ever know unless someone who witnessed it speaks out. Essex Police most llikely have all the answers in my book. Fucking disgraceful way of acting for decades.
On point 2 Tate was shot in the head with some of the shot breaking the window, he was leaning over to the left and his head was partially out of the damaged window
Regarding the amount of blood once your heart stops, gravity takes over and any blood lower than the wound wouldn't exit the wound but would pool at the lower extremities, in a sitting position it would pool in your bum, bottom of your thighs and feet
@@EssexBoysOutlawthe photos where taken at the police station and the bodies moved in transit where they repositioned by the police ?
@@codenamenel yea! Bang on! Tate was also shot in the liver which would be profuse, bleeding on the back seat and floor of The Range Rover. We're talking pints of blood from his body alone. I mean a pint of any liquid is a lot. If someone sills a pint in a pub it covers a huge area. Blood is thicker but would pool more. Imagine a guy almost 20 stone and another two in an enclosed space. The whole place would be covered in blood. The ceiling, doors, seats floor and dash, even the windows. There was only one window blown out? Why wasn't Tucker's near side window and the front screen blown out or pitted? They were all shot in the head except for Tates shot to the liver.
What were the forensics and Dopy Dibley and the corrupt investigation cops thinking they could get away with. They are all a disgrace to good investigative work and amongst the worst of all time probably worldwide. They should be in The Guinness Book of worst records.
Why did soco not take photos of the deceased at the crime scene? Very strange
The police fitted them up.
It was the police who set up the meet under the guise of a deal. They pulled the detail off them the day before knowing what was gonna happen.
Armed police apprehended them while Paul Betts took his vengeance and Nicholls was working with the police to help set it and cover it up using Steel and Whomes as convenient scapegoats.
Nah not for me. I'm open to the theory that the police having prior knowledge that the murders would take place but not Betts. Not so sure About that....
A very interesting subject.
Though one thing that is often glossed over and disregarded are the Autopsy results.
I was the one who started mushroomGate as it was called a year or back on another channel (Crime scene 2 courtroom).
It has always been a a matter of conjecture as to what time they were murdered.
We know they were at TGI Fridays in Lakeside around lunchtime and during that time one or more of them consumed mushrooms.
Mushrooms are not an easy thing for humans to digest.
Assuming they didn't eat anything after their lunch ( why would they, they were going out for a celebration meal at 8pm) when the autopsies were performed a quantity of partly digested food matter containing mushrooms was found in the stomach of either Tucker or Rolf (I do remember that Tates stomach was empty, but we can put that down to his physiology of being a body builder with a quick digestive system).
Go Ask a medical expert how long it takes for the stomach to empty into the small intestine and to continue with digestion.
I believe it takes anywhere from two to four hours, so if you say the latter it would mean the digestive process in the stomach stopped around 6 pm.. ish when they died.
The thing that I picked up on was the mushrooms in the stomach.
Were they the same mushrooms from lunch, in which case how could the stomach still have food in it containing mushrooms at midnight if that's when they died?
Nobody has ever said they saw them eating anywhere else after lunch and in any case as I said before, they were going to Romford for a big meal.
there is a reason your not to eat 2 hour prior to opperation. because your stomach needs to be empty.
the reason you should not eat 2hour prior to going bed its the same reason not good to lie down to sleep with food in your tummy..
small intestine to exit. anywhere between 4 hours in my case, 8 to 24 standard, and up to and over 6 days.
fluid and fine particles go through much quicker. if you chew your food allott, quicker.
the acid in stomach keeps digesting after death. the stomach has acid in it what will keep dissolving the food.
They died way after 6pm
@@beckyhicks1063 where's your proof?
@@zaphodbeeblebrox6627 phone calls hidden and vaious sightings past 8pm from different landlords of pubs they drank in
As a stoma nurse digestion varies in everybody. It depends how much you chew and the type of food your eating aswell and if your eating on an empty stomach.
Mushrooms are notoriously hard to digest. Same as sweetcorn. Some people's bodies can empty really fast and others can have a sluggish system.
Certain drugs in the system like you mentioned can also speed up the process.
I've got a patient who's system can take 5 days to empty.
But realistically in my opinion if they ate at lunchtime and there's still food in the stomach at autopsy then the window of digestion can be anywhere from 5 to 8 hours. Especially with mushrooms as they need at least 5 hours to move through the stomach.
But if you die then your body stops the entire digestion process and enzymes take over. Food will basically rot inside you as you rot. So things will remain in the stomach.
Very good mr mayo, keep banging them out mucker 👍🏼
If there was no 4th person, who ate the topic & crisps...
Well if the police did there job properly and tested for DNA they would know wouldn't they 🤣 could of been from days before anything
Billy blundell.... He loved topics and Bounty's
Thanks Guys 👍
When is the Q & A with Albert and Dave getting aired??
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The times just don’t work and this is fundamental to prove none of the convicted could have possibly been there.
The heaters would off been on heated glass on range rovers
It was a statement, whoever was able to get them down that lane unarmed was either trusted or not deemed a threat. That person or persons could just as easily have them pull into a warehouse never to be seen again, no fuss just 3 mispers. So surely, for some reason this had to be public, even with all the complications that that would entail. Could be that someone wanted it to be in every newspaper and television channel and they had the pull or leverage to get others to do their bidding, or it was a statement saying look how powerful we are, now take heed. The horse bolted 25 years ago and the stable door has rotted off its hinges.
So do these guys thick Jack W and M Steele weren't there at all? Or they did take them down the lane for someone else to shoot?. Genuinely would appreciate some feedback/ answers.
They didn't do it Paul, Mick was elsewhere getting fuel and had a receipt timed making it impossible for him to be there and Jack had been asked by Nicholls to recover his broken down Passat from a pub about a mile or two away from the crime scene.
I am unsure how strong Albert s point is about Jack's phone use shortly after 5.00 pm
Albert suggests his phone use puts him at Sudbury at this time
This being the case he could not have been at Mark's Try at the time Nicholls suggests
Two points suggest themselves to me
This account given by Nicholls was many months after the murders so it's unreasonable to expect precise accuracy in his account
Secondly ..am I not right in believing that at the time of Jacks phone use he could have been on the outskirts of the area covered by the transmitter
so quite close to Mark's Tey
On a broader point I am surprised that Albert and David continue to cling to the wreckage of Jacks ridiculous statement that he just happened to be up the road from the farm track at the time the police believe they were shot because he had travelled from Suffolk to pick up his pals vehicle which happened to have broken down at that spot.
Can I suggest that this needs to be abandoned and an alternative explanation be found for Whome s presence if the sceptics are to be converted
Is there any connection to this murder with John Marshall? As there are similarities.
My theory is that Nichols offered up steel. And then just need time to fine tune his statement.
The hitman was in the white ford cosworth what was seen by loads witnesses and the police had a few then cars at the time
All the witnesses hearing gun shots all say the same thing. There was a flurry of gun shots ,none of them say there was a gap then more gunshots. This means the shotgun must have had a extended magazine, as most take five some six without one. Billy Jasper states that the shotgun was sawn off. There were eight stots in total there fore the gun must have been full length as the magazine would be longer than the barrel so wouldn't fit in the bag. You would have to strip it down for it to fit. Billy says the gun was alreay assembled. This fact alone dissmises his version of events. Please could you clarify this matter.
Sawn off could also mean the handle, a shortened butt not barrel perhaps
In the UK a shotgun certificate cover's a pump or semi-auto up to 3 shot, you can get 5 shot with a firearms certificate. Before the laws changed in the late 90's you could get 8 shot shotgun's (probably still can illegally), & yea, it could have been one with the stock cut-off. Definitely an 8 shot weapon used & most likely a semi-automatic.
Have you ever thought about looking at other deaths in the area, around that time, maybe one’s to look like sucicde or a car or motorcycle accident,.. busy, busy, busy, that’s what that area was about, and threat’s handed out Willy nilly, it made no sense to go to bae systems for a phone expert, (who said that he was going to change sides) (but didn’t, because it was a rouse to slow down getting another for the Defense)
when you have all the very best companies in the area, , like Marconi, but no because, stuff was being covered up there the early books really are accurate and, it’s amazing what a lady was told, who was absolutely trusted by many people involved or was in the loop, many people lost their lives after either by their own hand or others
Who owned the pub Peter Edwards managed ?
Thanks guys just initials
Have you looked in to the disappearence of linda millard .. .connections with this case?
Your content is great, it doesnt need the horrendous editing and boring intros
Surely the boot prints would of been the farmers that found the range rover ?
They were trainer prints don’t think farmers would wear training shoes 👟 do you?
@paulkillick527 I swear I heard boot prints where also found , if not I question why not
I watched a podcast earlier where the old boy was getting pelters when he was in flying squad with his fit up kit he gave as good as he got
What time were they first placed in the lane? If Jasper’s theory says midnight, how long would they have been messing about in the dark? Before they were shot. Seems odd.
@thomaswilliams
6 hours
This is only one of many reasons that David and Alberts theory lacks credibility
Perish the thought but did the jury get it right?
lol i came from around that way and moved away by that time but when i heard i said straight away old bill done it. Essex was a funny little place back in the day. mmmmm! The Pub in south Ockendon! which one? the Knight? the Jack? lol I think the Knight has been shut down now for some years there used to be a few pups there.
Was there ever any DNA or fingerprints done on the chocolate bar wrapper in the back of the RR ?
I believe they went missing.
no
Come on just put the whole thing out in one go , you will get more views i cant be arsed coming on every night to watch a 20 minute premier
IV been told Mickey steel and jack Holmes have not been friends or InTouch with each other since found guilty is that true and if it's true why not ?
Why did the RR get sold
The only thing we need to see to tell if they were alive after 6.45 is the original call log for tates phone also i believe they habe got one of craigs rolfes phone but never disclosed the info
How many people had keys to the gate
Can I ask Dave and Albert why they think this happened.
They say why in part 1
@@steve.g493 Thanks Steve, I will have a look.
Carrot dangling comes to mind lol
No sol
So has this Angela Yallop actually done a forensic examination of the range rover, or exhibits?. How long after the murders did essex police keep the range rover for. I thought it was gotten rid of reasonably quickly; and is there a legal amount of time that vehicles like that have to be kept for after a serious crime.
Bom is an informant 😅😂
How’s tricks brother
If you’re not doing a backflip yet, I don’t want to know ya 🙈🫡👍 u know that is not true, my guy , you better lol 😂
@@cooltools007he is an informer though, well known at that
Hi both has mick steel said who was the killer or he knows who it is ?
Home office signed the hit off..
Nonsense
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No no no don’t do this to me that’s just teasing
If your lieng you forget lies years later but the truth is the truth if they got interview again the truth will be the same story
I’m sure police used to use or still do branded hitek boot trainers don’t ask me how or why I just remember seeing it somewhere years ago like a high top trainer crossed with a leather boot could that be the print you talk off
Why would the police sell the range rover there's things in the police musiem from jack the ripper and other famous murderss
Question to the team...do you think that Tate was killed after Tucker and Rolf. Did he arrive with Tucker and Rolf and then leave the scene to return later? On his return Tucker and Rolf had been killed and then he was. I think Tate may have double crossed Tucker and Rolf
then they have something to hide?
Wasent there a journalist sneaked round field took photos before being spotted wore wellies . Cstc spoke about it briefly.
His boots were taken for checking
The Essex version of oak island
SORRY MICHAEL BUT I CAN’T SPEAK ON HERE..NEEDS TO BE PRIVATE. 👍🤝
Full shit buddy you know nothing
@@michaelb381and you’re a fortune teller that knows everything .
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@@essexboysrangerovermurders Fair enough,if you ain’t bothered…
@@mickfen8831no
You have missed the R in murder 😂😂
The sound is dreadful, it sounds like a pound shop microphone 😂 but anyhow
Answer me this ANYBODY
Jack whomes is now been released
But no story from him or sueing the police for unlawfully convicted it’s all gone quiet, corruption at its finest , nobody and I mean nobody on the surface or fringes of things will ever find the truth
No story. Part of his license is not to discuss the case
@@essexboysrangerovermurders license seems like blackmail to me. but yes this is well known.
He's not allowed to discuss , but I've asked a few times now . Is that normal ? He's served his full sentence so why isn't he allowed to speak about it , plenty of other ex criminals even Mafia guys with multiple murders on their hands are on podcasts talking about their crimes .
Just guessing but after 25 yrs he’s probably sick of the whole scenario. No compo is going to get his sentence back, he probably just wants to move on.
@TheSavagederek same as curtis warren, not allowed to discuss his convictions on social media platforms. Strange
Jasper was looking at a big bit of bird when he made his claim.
Just so happened the bloke he put up as the hitman was a face in the who had recently died
You lot are gullible
So was Nichols 😂
The guy he put up was very much alive when he made his statement. He died later in a car crash.
@@TheSavagederekNichols was looking at like 5 years not big bird 🤣 and Jasper didn't only mention Gayle he mentions dean hagerty as the shooter and he's a know shooter he's still alive I believe no way Steele and wholmes are doing a triple murder for a first murder they ever convicted 😂
DH isn’t dead. Jasper spoke to police in Jan 96. Gale was killed in 97. Try again
@@noisyneighbors1106 I'd have said more than 5 years for £100k worth of dope .
Was dodgy dave Courtney involved
Who’s the noisy guy on the internet that’s the informer??
I think they were referring to a certain author, who’s written a few books on the Rettendon Murders. I’ll leave you to work out who that is.
Hang on a minute,it was sunbury,not sudbury.
Nicholls was working in Sunbury on Thames near Heathrow and says he met Steele Whomes at Marks Tey at 5pm Whomes was at Sudbury at 12mins past 5 his cell site puts him there and could not have driven to the meet until after 5.30pm. Albert
So if it was sunbury would the time frame fitted in,with what happened?
These cops said nothing at the time. Just jumping on the gravy train
6:25 David wasn't on the case at the time.Unless I am wrong neither was Albert.They are trying to clear 2 innocent men..and are not jumping on the gravy train
@@gillianwaters9627 how do you know they were innocent?
@@Barneybhoy how do you know they are guilty? No DNA linking them
@@gillianwaters9627 I don’t. I know they were found guilty in a court of law but?
@@Barneybhoy leaves me wondering why you are watching these podcasts then if it's all straightforward
Are these new or re uploads that you put up before?
Goo gle: News Shopper DEATH CRASH DRIVER OVER THE LIMIT AND SPEEDING for the detailed description of Jesse Gale's car crash down in Kent in 1998. It was one of the worst vehicle crashes in Kent, leaving 9 people dead (4 of them had just returned from a day trip to France). 🙏🏻