Blackmagic just announced the new URSA CINE 12K LF BODY and here are my initials thoughts on it! What would you pick between this and the Pyxis? Let me know what you guys think in the comments below :) Cheers, Flo
I’d definitely get this. But I worried about the storage. What’s the best solution to shoot big file sizes like that? Buy eight 1tb cfexpress cards or?
I have 4.6k Pro & 12K, but this one itches me really hard!! Nowhere to be found a comparison between 12k & 12k Cine. I know Cine is FF but nevertheless it would be very informative.
Yeah, FF is not something I’d only buy camera for. It is nice but not a huge deal for me. DR is a bit higher but hardly noticeable in real life scenarious. But definitely on my list sometimes this year. 👍🏻👍🏻
@@Belamarimages The dynamic range is the same between the original 12k and the Ursa 12k, the better DR comrs from Gen 5 color science which can be found on the original with an update. And surprisingly the Ursa 12k OG is actually sharper than the Full Frame version but requires crazy sharp EF Lenses like the Zeiss Otuses and Rokinin 135mm f2 to see the difference
@@CallMeRabbitzUSVIas far as I know Ursa 12k had Gen5 from the start, at least mine had. Also, I use Gen5 with my 4.6K Pro (not in camera, but in Resolve).
It’s as if BMD has been listening to our demands and suggestions. Pretty exciting to see that they’re now selling just body and an easier media solution. We’ve been looking at switching to c400/c80 but this is definitely a great argument to go full BMD. Great video as always!
I don’t think it’s a deal breaker. It just depends on the person and the project. It can be an advantage and an asset. But can also not bring any advantages.
Blackmagic is playing 3D Chess while every other camera company is playing jump rope…. They probably already planned this …. Just waiting for other companies like Arri to take the bait on lowered pricing model, then BAM! Checkmate….Wow!
Imagine BMD does this for the 17k as well. I imagine it would be around $10-20k vs $30k further putting them ahead in the competition as well as in innovation and cost. I am continually getting more jealous of BMD cameras every year. This could very well be the next upgrade I get in a couple of years, although it will depend on what my needs are then. For now my current Cine build is more than enough!
That would be pretty incredible!! It is always about the projects and needs but all the recent cameras they have released or announced are incredible and really push things to the next level!
This camera is so awesome! I was thinking about buying the kit version, but the price was holding me back a bit. It’s a bargain given it’s specs, but still a lot of money. Is this body only version expandable with the 8tb storage unit from the kit version? Or CF Express only?
Great heads-up info. For lenses (say, EF mount) on URSA 12K LF, do i need to purchase LF lenses? In other words, if I use 35mm full-frame lenses, will i get a prominent vignette? Thanks
This is arguably among the best 5 cameras in the world. Bang-for-buck it "is" the best camera in the world. Taking this over the Pyxis is a no-brainer.
no its not - Hav you owned BMD cameras? I have ... they ARE NOT PRO GEAR- BS - Best cameras for cinema Digitial are still the Alexa65 - Alexa265 -the Alexa 35 -Venice 2 -and Red Vraptor - This is a TOY FOR SOLO CREATORS with GEAR acquisition SYNDROME
At that price, it's a steal. I'm wondering if this release will affect the prices of the Ursa line (the poor guy in me hopes so 😀 ). The EF mount is a pleasant surprise, to be honest. All my lenses nowadays have that mount, and this makes this camera attractive even if I had to rent it.
I got the Pyxis just a few months ago and been really happy. The camera is awesome but the price is where I needed it to be at the time. Had I had a little more money the Ursa 12k would have been the way to go.
Absolutely considering the 12k LF. Had recent experience with the Burano (I know as a BM boy, how could I) but the IBIS and 16-bit color (?) was surprising. What’s incredible about this like you mentioned is the price point. I’m glad to know they have other mount options, if this were locked into EF, it would not be worth it. Flo, would you buy one with your own money?
Haha whatever tool gets the job done and right :). The Burano does seem very impressive! And yes, this is a cam I would 100% buy with my own money as I did the previous Ursa I owned. Like I said as a main cam or first cam this is very hard to beat. Now if you own a Pyxis like me and the other 6KFF it would depend on the job and the requirements needed (DR, frame rates etc).
Completely different cameras for different uses, in my opinion. The BM 12k is an amazing camera, no doubt, but it's a BEAST that requires huge batteries and a RAW workflow. It's gonna be crazy HEAVY. The C400 is tiny, super lightweight, takes tiny batteries and is extremely power efficient, has 10 stops of ND and can shoot in both Raw and XFAVC for easier files to edit with in post. It also has crazy good autofocus. It's more designed for a run-n-gun, documentary style production. I think the 12K likely has the better image quality, but I definitely would not want to run around handholding the BM for 12 hours a day.
Thanks for the vid Flo..Blackmagic is killing it once again...But...For me as a one man band the 12k lf is probably overdose and to big for the most cases...I would love to see an updated pyxis with 4k 120p without crop and a little bit faster readout speed. I love the size of the pyxis but I didn't bought it, because i already have an 6k, 6kpro and an 6kff..so there is no need to buy an pyxis..Cheers
Thanks for watching!! They sure knocked it out of the park again! The Pyxis Pro (is there is one) should hopefully be close to that and I hope so too :)
It's double the price of Pyxis but if its in budget then this new 12K body looks incredible. And also this being Blackmagic you know that these prices are going to come down even further after a year or so.
@ I’m pretty sure if they have sold enough units of the Pyxis it definitely is plausible. Maybe improved DR is a bit of a wishful thinking but pretty sure they’re going to launch a ND version. This would be the only logical step without cannibalising their 12K FF line.
Thanks for explaining this release. I would certainly purchase this Cine 12k LF body over the Pyxis, however, I don't think this release is a cause for regret to Pyxis owners . This is a very strategic offering of a high-end camera modification to leverage off of existing equipment accessories of cameras of the URSA and Pyxis lines, thus creating an entry price point into a cutting-edge production body without the higher cost of the version fully rigged-out Cine 12K with BMD accessories. This modified version will be an incentive for users to stay loyal to the BMD ecosystem. If one was considering the Cine 12k LF fully rigged out as a likely future camera, this LF body version will probably cause many to pull the trigger a lot sooner.
This might be the craziest thing I've seen in my lifetime! This is why I love black magic so much! I was initially planning on getting the Pyxis, but really need internal MDs and better audio solutions, So I was looking at getting the 12K OLPF-- HOWEVER, with this price drop, it's marginally more expensive than the 12K OLPF while also providing so much more value! This is a no-brainer buy for me for sure! I've been rocking with the pocket 4K for 4 years and have been looking for an upgrade 🙌🏾
The only thing I know I need to plan for it's going to be B Mount batteries, other than that, it's definitely a go! I'll be keeping my pocket 4K as my B cam / run and gun shooter.
My biggest concern IS the fact that this is a 12K sensor. I never have a need for more than 4K. 4K gives me plenty of room to punch in a bit without noticeably degrading the resolution. Instead, I would rather have larger photo sites for a better quality image. The resolution race is a race to the bottom IMHO.
Hey Flo, wild this got announced right after Arri released a lower tier Alexa 35. Even though the 12K has not been out for so long. I guess in somes ways a silmilar idea though with this leaving out some hardware options I think it makes for an exciting proposition. Maybe more so than the Pyxis I would consider the Pyxis' greatest weakness is not having NDs Though the 12Ks weakness is maybe not having a 6K option which sounds crazy but I would rather have 6k than 8k I am not sure how well my computer would handle that and the amount of data you'd be churning out. With the C200 I am already shooting like 1TB per wedding so the idea to shoot maybe 2 would be hard to swallow though maybe compression is better in BRAW. Though I did watch Team 2 Films video on the 12K LF and they went into great detail about the sensors tech and it was super interesting on how it pixel bins without losing qaulity and maintains the full LF sensor in 8k and 4k and the image is outstanding. I think this will be good for BMD. But I honestly think there biggest struggles with cameras is on one side is Canon and Sony and the other side is Arri and RED and they sort of sit some where in the middle without as clear of a purpose and you can say they're just the cheap option now. All of this said I think I'd end up with the Pyxis if any but not havign Internal NDs kills it for me and my work. But this 12k is pretty wild what it will do for VFXs houses and workflows is going to be wild.
Seems cool but out of my price window. By the time I got it optioned out for actual work it would be $8500 to $9k. I'm not in a market where that makes sense. But it sure is a lot of camera for the money.
Seems like a crazy deal. Everyone's needs are different but if I was a bigger production company I would build out two of these instead of one of the more expensive systems.
Looks epic but too big and heavy for me. Everything scales up grip wise and becomes unmangeable unless big crew etc. I'll wait for mini version if they make one
Ok! Finally a large sensor, iv wanted the Ursa but that cropped sensor has kept me from buying it. But finally LF changes things, and its built in ND. Amazing.
Honestly, the 12K number is cool, but all you really need is 6K, and that's a stretch. If you have good 4K with high frame rates, that's really all you need with the amount of dynamic range you're getting.
I'm about to reconsider this as an option. I'm about to open my first business checking account for my video production company and have saved up a considerable amount of money. I already own the BMD 6KFF and was planning on buying the Pyxis, but this is something that is making me raise my eyebrows at. The biggest con for the URSA is the lack of dual native ISO. I'm not sure why they did this.
The normal kit is no longer a good value because you can buy the new Body Only version and all of the missing accessories separately for $4000 USD less than the kit (+ you even get the CFexpress module too!)!
I think it depends on what you need and how you will use it. If you need the evf and the case, different battery plates and the 8TB module etc then a kit might make more sense.
I planned to pick up the URSA CIne 12K LF kit in the fall to use as my A cam for on-set narrative work. The Pyxis 6K serving as the B cam. With the body being released by itself I would just get the body and still use the Pyxis 6K as the B cam.
@@OfTwoLands Mais malgré tout, il faut ajouter 3500$ USD pour suffisant de piles B-Mount pour une journée complète de tournage ainsi que des médias assez rapides et de grande capacité pour le data rate très élevé de la caméra. Au moins je peux récupérer mes moniteurs et "rig" que j'utilise déjà pour ma URSA G2.
12k isn’t the important thing here but the quality you get in 8 and 4 is. As someone that shoots of a lot of outdoors and footage for licensing 6 and 8 make a difference.
I think the toughest part about this camera is that there isn’t a ton of professional work online that highlights the camera in multiple production environments. The work that you do is great, I’m a big fan of your images - but the work is quite niche in the grand scheme of things. I would love to see high quality and high effort short films, music videos, and commercials (real or spec) that were shot with the 12K, but there aren’t much on display, which leaves me skeptical. A lot of the work that I do see online that’s made with this camera is sort of… Underwhelming? And that’s not a direct fault of the camera, but it could say something about the audience who it caters to. When Sony releases their cinema cameras, they give them to talented DP’s who make short films that SHOW the type of result that you could achieve with the camera. I still think about “At The Motel” from the Burano launch. The 4K and 6K’s are great owner/operator cameras that are under $3K. They are made for solo operators, which is great. But the 12K Body pricepoint directly competes with the FX6, which has a fraction of the resolution but 10X the reputation. I have rented my friends FX6’s, and my friends have rented my FX30 and Komodo (Surpisingly, I’ve probably made the entire value of the Komodo back in rentals)… But I’ve never heard of someone seeking out and renting a 4K/6K/12K for a professional, funded project. Very low budget short films? Sure. But Anything with an actual budget? No. And then for $15K for the other kit, you’re $5K away from buying an Alexa Mini or Sony Venice on a good day, and you might be able to score a camera with high hours for $15K on a great day. Those are two cameras that you could easily rent for $1000/day… So, what are we left with? A $15K camera that’s amazing on paper, but isn’t being used by the industry, and likely will not rent on any major productions. That, my friends, sounds like a sick tool for a fraction of the owners and a very expensive toy for the majority. I’m looking at buying a Venice this year, and it’s going to cost me a pretty penny - and I would love to go with something like the 12K LF, but it just seems like it has incredibly low potential to get used in the environments that I’m working in.
Thank you for the feedback on my work!! I think this new price point will get more people into it so we should see more diverse work and I personally hope to use it asap as well :). I do understand what you mean though.
I didn't read everything yet, but I understand your sentiment. I would say try and rent it first and see what you think it looks like. If you search online, there are quite a few people who have already used it in studio and uncontroled environments and of course it looks phenomenal! Only Alexa's top cameras can compete, but at triple the price or more. If you're not looking to go to rental route, I would highly recommend this camera over the Venice simply because you can be invest what you saved on the gear that will help move the line more significantly than purchasing the Venice over this.
@@OfTwoLands Well, it would be innovative (with sony opening) to have the l-mount, not only for pleasure of adaptation, but also for full electronic control over lenses. The pyxis sensor is by far worse than this. 🤔 Or put the 12K LF Sensor into an l-mount-pyxi - that would be it❣️
Yes I know it's Netflix approved. Yes I know black magic has excellent color science. But I don't trust this ...its too much cheeper than the competition for the price!
I think a lot of what makes Blackmagic more affordable compared to, say, a Sony, is no continuous autofocus and the lack of IBIS. Which appears to be true for this body as well. I'm really surprised BM hasn't at least implemented continuous autofocus yet. Obviously it isn't always needed / desired, but it seems like it would be a software side fix and folks who don't want to utilize it can just turn it off. There are certainly situations where I wish I had the option on my 6K. I've been using a Lidar solution as a result, but it's not as reliable.
Blackmagic just announced the new URSA CINE 12K LF BODY and here are my initials thoughts on it!
What would you pick between this and the Pyxis?
Let me know what you guys think in the comments below :)
Cheers,
Flo
Wow this is just as incredible as when the bmcc6k ff temporarily dropped to $1500. This body only version is a definite no brainer for sure!
Will probably keep working with my Pyxis for a few years and pick up a used one for lower cost. Those specs are pretty future proof.
They really are!!
I’d definitely get this. But I worried about the storage. What’s the best solution to shoot big file sizes like that? Buy eight 1tb cfexpress cards or?
Yes, I have 2TB and 1TB CFexpress for example and depending on the compression it should be 'ok'. They even make 4TB cards now I believe.
@@OfTwoLands Are there limitations on resolution/frame rates on the CFexpress? Or can it handle everything same as the 8TB module?
@@ThomasWinston-i2t same question. does CFexpress come with limitations?
do you know if that CF Express Module is swappable with the external 8tb module?
Yes
Yes it is :)
I have 4.6k Pro & 12K, but this one itches me really hard!! Nowhere to be found a comparison between 12k & 12k Cine. I know Cine is FF but nevertheless it would be very informative.
12K Cine is Full frame, yes with higher dynamic range, different body and media etc.
Yeah, FF is not something I’d only buy camera for. It is nice but not a huge deal for me. DR is a bit higher but hardly noticeable in real life scenarious. But definitely on my list sometimes this year. 👍🏻👍🏻
…and both have the same type of sensor (rgbw)….
@@Belamarimages The dynamic range is the same between the original 12k and the Ursa 12k, the better DR comrs from Gen 5 color science which can be found on the original with an update.
And surprisingly the Ursa 12k OG is actually sharper than the Full Frame version but requires crazy sharp EF Lenses like the Zeiss Otuses and Rokinin 135mm f2 to see the difference
@@CallMeRabbitzUSVIas far as I know Ursa 12k had Gen5 from the start, at least mine had. Also, I use Gen5 with my 4.6K Pro (not in camera, but in Resolve).
It’s as if BMD has been listening to our demands and suggestions. Pretty exciting to see that they’re now selling just body and an easier media solution. We’ve been looking at switching to c400/c80 but this is definitely a great argument to go full BMD. Great video as always!
Thanks mate!! I think this cam will make a lot of people consider BM or go full BM if they were on the fence before.
Is full frame a must have, deal breaker, for some people? And why?
I don’t think it’s a deal breaker. It just depends on the person and the project. It can be an advantage and an asset. But can also not bring any advantages.
Blackmagic is playing 3D Chess while every other camera company is playing jump rope…. They probably already planned this …. Just waiting for other companies like Arri to take the bait on lowered pricing model, then BAM! Checkmate….Wow!
arri did take the bait with the "base model alexa35" though its not as cheap
Good thing it plays 3d chess and not idiot chess like trump :)
@@reneiloe_mdidn’t they release it one day earlier? Arri’s move definitely took longer to execute, but we can only guess who got the idea first.
3d chess is just chess. u mean 4d chess (im sry plz beat me up now)
Imagine BMD does this for the 17k as well. I imagine it would be around $10-20k vs $30k further putting them ahead in the competition as well as in innovation and cost. I am continually getting more jealous of BMD cameras every year. This could very well be the next upgrade I get in a couple of years, although it will depend on what my needs are then. For now my current Cine build is more than enough!
That would be pretty incredible!! It is always about the projects and needs but all the recent cameras they have released or announced are incredible and really push things to the next level!
This camera is so awesome! I was thinking about buying the kit version, but the price was holding me back a bit. It’s a bargain given it’s specs, but still a lot of money. Is this body only version expandable with the 8tb storage unit from the kit version? Or CF Express only?
You can buy and add the 8tb module later
Really is a bargain for those features and specs!
And yes you can get the module later on ☺️
Do you use your 6k pro much anymore?
Not as much to be honest!
Great heads-up info. For lenses (say, EF mount) on URSA 12K LF, do i need to purchase LF lenses? In other words, if I use 35mm full-frame lenses, will i get a prominent vignette? Thanks
This is arguably among the best 5 cameras in the world.
Bang-for-buck it "is" the best camera in the world.
Taking this over the Pyxis is a no-brainer.
Really is the best value currently! Of course it depends on needs as always but this is crazy!
no its not - Hav you owned BMD cameras? I have ... they ARE NOT PRO GEAR- BS - Best cameras for cinema Digitial are still the Alexa65 - Alexa265 -the Alexa 35 -Venice 2 -and Red Vraptor - This is a TOY FOR SOLO CREATORS with GEAR acquisition SYNDROME
At that price, it's a steal. I'm wondering if this release will affect the prices of the Ursa line (the poor guy in me hopes so 😀 ). The EF mount is a pleasant surprise, to be honest. All my lenses nowadays have that mount, and this makes this camera attractive even if I had to rent it.
@@michelangelotorres_filmmaker it’s pretty insane haha! I totally agree with the EF mount too.
Agreed. I have and love the whole Canon EF-L lineup! It will actually be fascinating to see how they resolve such a high resolution sensor.
@@andrewcvisuals they are excellent lenses
I got the Pyxis just a few months ago and been really happy. The camera is awesome but the price is where I needed it to be at the time. Had I had a little more money the Ursa 12k would have been the way to go.
I love the Pyxis, such a great cam! Both amazing value propositions and they can both suit different styles of shooting or project sizes.
Absolutely considering the 12k LF. Had recent experience with the Burano (I know as a BM boy, how could I) but the IBIS and 16-bit color (?) was surprising. What’s incredible about this like you mentioned is the price point. I’m glad to know they have other mount options, if this were locked into EF, it would not be worth it.
Flo, would you buy one with your own money?
You could get 4 of these before you even touch the price point of the Burano….
Haha whatever tool gets the job done and right :). The Burano does seem very impressive!
And yes, this is a cam I would 100% buy with my own money as I did the previous Ursa I owned. Like I said as a main cam or first cam this is very hard to beat. Now if you own a Pyxis like me and the other 6KFF it would depend on the job and the requirements needed (DR, frame rates etc).
I was strongly considering the canon c400, but I would now get this instead.
It sure is competitive!!
Completely different cameras for different uses, in my opinion. The BM 12k is an amazing camera, no doubt, but it's a BEAST that requires huge batteries and a RAW workflow. It's gonna be crazy HEAVY. The C400 is tiny, super lightweight, takes tiny batteries and is extremely power efficient, has 10 stops of ND and can shoot in both Raw and XFAVC for easier files to edit with in post. It also has crazy good autofocus. It's more designed for a run-n-gun, documentary style production. I think the 12K likely has the better image quality, but I definitely would not want to run around handholding the BM for 12 hours a day.
So what’s the price of the super 35 version OLPF version?
No L-mount?
L mount is only for the smaller Pyxis and 6KFF. EF PL and LPL for the Cine 12K.
The L-Mount won’t work with the interchangeable mount system or the internal ND; it’s too shallow.
@@deadeyessmiling that is a shame - I think the L-Mount is so adaptable..
Thanks for the vid Flo..Blackmagic is killing it once again...But...For me as a one man band the 12k lf is probably overdose and to big for the most cases...I would love to see an updated pyxis with 4k 120p without crop and a little bit faster readout speed. I love the size of the pyxis but I didn't bought it, because i already have an 6k, 6kpro and an 6kff..so there is no need to buy an pyxis..Cheers
Thanks for watching!! They sure knocked it out of the park again!
The Pyxis Pro (is there is one) should hopefully be close to that and I hope so too :)
@@OfTwoLands Pyxis Pro sounds good ;) and hopefully with some internal ND´s ;)
No global shutter? I like my trees, straight and standing up. 😂
Fair enough 😅
It's double the price of Pyxis but if its in budget then this new 12K body looks incredible. And also this being Blackmagic you know that these prices are going to come down even further after a year or so.
It sure is a great value cam! Even as it stands now the price is ridiculous for what’s on offer 🤩
I love my BMCC 6K FF but... 12K Full frame, 16 stops DR, 100FPS for $7k!
Yeah that’s pretty insane!!
Something is telling me that there’s soon going to be a Pyxis Pro Version with internal ND and slight improved DR
That would be awesome!!
@ I’m pretty sure if they have sold enough units of the Pyxis it definitely is plausible. Maybe improved DR is a bit of a wishful thinking but pretty sure they’re going to launch a ND version. This would be the only logical step without cannibalising their 12K FF line.
Thanks for explaining this release. I would certainly purchase this Cine 12k LF body over the Pyxis, however, I don't think this release is a cause for regret to Pyxis owners . This is a very strategic offering of a high-end camera modification to leverage off of existing equipment accessories of cameras of the URSA and Pyxis lines, thus creating an entry price point into a cutting-edge production body without the higher cost of the version fully rigged-out Cine 12K with BMD accessories. This modified version will be an incentive for users to stay loyal to the BMD ecosystem. If one was considering the Cine 12k LF fully rigged out as a likely future camera, this LF body version will probably cause many to pull the trigger a lot sooner.
This might be the craziest thing I've seen in my lifetime! This is why I love black magic so much!
I was initially planning on getting the Pyxis, but really need internal MDs and better audio solutions, So I was looking at getting the 12K OLPF-- HOWEVER, with this price drop, it's marginally more expensive than the 12K OLPF while also providing so much more value! This is a no-brainer buy for me for sure! I've been rocking with the pocket 4K for 4 years and have been looking for an upgrade 🙌🏾
The only thing I know I need to plan for it's going to be B Mount batteries, other than that, it's definitely a go! I'll be keeping my pocket 4K as my B cam / run and gun shooter.
I also use the pk4k and it's still an amazing camera!
Lovely camera and pricing. Maybe some day.
Really is a great price, hope you will one day 🙏
My biggest concern IS the fact that this is a 12K sensor. I never have a need for more than 4K. 4K gives me plenty of room to punch in a bit without noticeably degrading the resolution. Instead, I would rather have larger photo sites for a better quality image. The resolution race is a race to the bottom IMHO.
Yeah 12K seems like overkill. However, working with 6K at the moment, I COULD be convinced of the benefit of 8K. 🤔
isnt the pyxis 6k almost only 1/3 of the price of the ursa 12k LF Body?
At least here in Austria:
- Pyxis 6k: 2800€
- URSA: 8000€
In France at the moment the Pyxis is listed at 2900 and the Ursa 12K Body at around 7000 so just above double the price.
Hey Flo, wild this got announced right after Arri released a lower tier Alexa 35. Even though the 12K has not been out for so long. I guess in somes ways a silmilar idea though with this leaving out some hardware options I think it makes for an exciting proposition. Maybe more so than the Pyxis I would consider the Pyxis' greatest weakness is not having NDs Though the 12Ks weakness is maybe not having a 6K option which sounds crazy but I would rather have 6k than 8k I am not sure how well my computer would handle that and the amount of data you'd be churning out. With the C200 I am already shooting like 1TB per wedding so the idea to shoot maybe 2 would be hard to swallow though maybe compression is better in BRAW. Though I did watch Team 2 Films video on the 12K LF and they went into great detail about the sensors tech and it was super interesting on how it pixel bins without losing qaulity and maintains the full LF sensor in 8k and 4k and the image is outstanding. I think this will be good for BMD. But I honestly think there biggest struggles with cameras is on one side is Canon and Sony and the other side is Arri and RED and they sort of sit some where in the middle without as clear of a purpose and you can say they're just the cheap option now. All of this said I think I'd end up with the Pyxis if any but not havign Internal NDs kills it for me and my work. But this 12k is pretty wild what it will do for VFXs houses and workflows is going to be wild.
CINE 12K LF 14 bit 16 stop video?
12 bit 16 stops
Seems cool but out of my price window. By the time I got it optioned out for actual work it would be $8500 to $9k. I'm not in a market where that makes sense. But it sure is a lot of camera for the money.
It really is!
Of course you have to have the need for it but it ticks a lot of boxes ☺️
I'm locked in for this one!!
Nice!!
Seems like a crazy deal. Everyone's needs are different but if I was a bigger production company I would build out two of these instead of one of the more expensive systems.
100%!
Looks epic but too big and heavy for me. Everything scales up grip wise and becomes unmangeable unless big crew etc. I'll wait for mini version if they make one
Blackmagic for the win! They’re giving Red and Sony a run for their money!
They’ve always done it but this time it’s pretty insane haha!! 🤩
Ok! Finally a large sensor, iv wanted the Ursa but that cropped sensor has kept me from buying it.
But finally LF changes things, and its built in ND. Amazing.
Yep, pretty insane camera!
Ils devaient galerer à vendre la 17k avec leur rack pour backup et se sont recentré sur les operator owner je pense
Aucune idée mais en tout cas c’est top cette Body version 🤩
@ manque plus qu’un global shutter et je l’achète ahah
8month too late for me, and the B-Mount requirement is a real pain for traveling.
You can get the V or gold plate if needed :)
@@OfTwoLands Yeah but specs takes a serious hit. That's not the body design and feature that I was hopping for. Picture is nonetheless impressive.
Honestly, the 12K number is cool, but all you really need is 6K, and that's a stretch. If you have good 4K with high frame rates, that's really all you need with the amount of dynamic range you're getting.
I'm about to reconsider this as an option. I'm about to open my first business checking account for my video production company and have saved up a considerable amount of money.
I already own the BMD 6KFF and was planning on buying the Pyxis, but this is something that is making me raise my eyebrows at.
The biggest con for the URSA is the lack of dual native ISO. I'm not sure why they did this.
This would be a workhorse of a cam for various applications!
The 6KFF would make for a great b cam too.
Once the PYXIS has this sensor, it's game over. And you know that is coming. Blackmagic will not stop until they dominate this industry.
It does seem like the ‘Pyxis Pro’ will be a pretty insane camera for sure 🤩🎥!!
Alexa Base, what? The blatant shot taking from the Aussies...
😅😂
The normal kit is no longer a good value because you can buy the new Body Only version and all of the missing accessories separately for $4000 USD less than the kit (+ you even get the CFexpress module too!)!
I think it depends on what you need and how you will use it. If you need the evf and the case, different battery plates and the 8TB module etc then a kit might make more sense.
I planned to pick up the URSA CIne 12K LF kit in the fall to use as my A cam for on-set narrative work. The Pyxis 6K serving as the B cam. With the body being released by itself I would just get the body and still use the Pyxis 6K as the B cam.
What I need is a 6k, L mount Ursa. Y'know? Simple stuff.
The Pyxis is pretty much it. L mount suits smaller cameras based on lenses. Maybe a Pyxis Pro? Or Ursa Cine light.
OMG this is fantastic news! What if they did the same for the 17k!!!
Haha that would be insane!!
BM trying to steal the limelight back from the "Budget" Alexa? 🤔
No idea, doubt they would have reacted so quickly!
Yes.
Oh wow, très intéressant !
@@quantumimagesQC En effet ☺️
@@OfTwoLands Mais malgré tout, il faut ajouter 3500$ USD pour suffisant de piles B-Mount pour une journée complète de tournage ainsi que des médias assez rapides et de grande capacité pour le data rate très élevé de la caméra. Au moins je peux récupérer mes moniteurs et "rig" que j'utilise déjà pour ma URSA G2.
Do you know the weight? Could this work on a gimbal?
I think it’s about 2Kgs. I’d say all the exact specs would be on the BM website :).
Maybe it can? If you have a Ronin 2 sure, but a RS2? Definitely not lol
Why would one need 12k? or even 8 or 6k?
12k isn’t the important thing here but the quality you get in 8 and 4 is.
As someone that shoots of a lot of outdoors and footage for licensing 6 and 8 make a difference.
I think the toughest part about this camera is that there isn’t a ton of professional work online that highlights the camera in multiple production environments. The work that you do is great, I’m a big fan of your images - but the work is quite niche in the grand scheme of things.
I would love to see high quality and high effort short films, music videos, and commercials (real or spec) that were shot with the 12K, but there aren’t much on display, which leaves me skeptical. A lot of the work that I do see online that’s made with this camera is sort of… Underwhelming? And that’s not a direct fault of the camera, but it could say something about the audience who it caters to.
When Sony releases their cinema cameras, they give them to talented DP’s who make short films that SHOW the type of result that you could achieve with the camera. I still think about “At The Motel” from the Burano launch.
The 4K and 6K’s are great owner/operator cameras that are under $3K. They are made for solo operators, which is great. But the 12K Body pricepoint directly competes with the FX6, which has a fraction of the resolution but 10X the reputation. I have rented my friends FX6’s, and my friends have rented my FX30 and Komodo (Surpisingly, I’ve probably made the entire value of the Komodo back in rentals)… But I’ve never heard of someone seeking out and renting a 4K/6K/12K for a professional, funded project.
Very low budget short films? Sure. But Anything with an actual budget? No.
And then for $15K for the other kit, you’re $5K away from buying an Alexa Mini or Sony Venice on a good day, and you might be able to score a camera with high hours for $15K on a great day. Those are two cameras that you could easily rent for $1000/day…
So, what are we left with? A $15K camera that’s amazing on paper, but isn’t being used by the industry, and likely will not rent on any major productions. That, my friends, sounds like a sick tool for a fraction of the owners and a very expensive toy for the majority.
I’m looking at buying a Venice this year, and it’s going to cost me a pretty penny - and I would love to go with something like the 12K LF, but it just seems like it has incredibly low potential to get used in the environments that I’m working in.
Thank you for the feedback on my work!!
I think this new price point will get more people into it so we should see more diverse work and I personally hope to use it asap as well :).
I do understand what you mean though.
I didn't read everything yet, but I understand your sentiment. I would say try and rent it first and see what you think it looks like. If you search online, there are quite a few people who have already used it in studio and uncontroled environments and of course it looks phenomenal! Only Alexa's top cameras can compete, but at triple the price or more. If you're not looking to go to rental route, I would highly recommend this camera over the Venice simply because you can be invest what you saved on the gear that will help move the line more significantly than purchasing the Venice over this.
If it only had an l-mount 🤔❤
The Pyxis is there for that. L is still aimed at mirrorless so it makes sense that the Ursa Cine are PL or EF.
@@OfTwoLands Well, it would be innovative (with sony opening) to have the l-mount, not only for pleasure of adaptation, but also for full electronic control over lenses. The pyxis sensor is by far worse than this. 🤔 Or put the 12K LF Sensor into an l-mount-pyxi - that would be it❣️
readout speeds worse than my fuji xh2s, meh
Dude! You are not in focus !
Old sigma lens on the Eos r 😅
And you just bought a pyxis 😂
I did not
Yes I know it's Netflix approved. Yes I know black magic has excellent color science. But I don't trust this ...its too much cheeper than the competition for the price!
😂 ok. BM have always been much cheaper than the competition and they punch way above their weight!
I think a lot of what makes Blackmagic more affordable compared to, say, a Sony, is no continuous autofocus and the lack of IBIS. Which appears to be true for this body as well. I'm really surprised BM hasn't at least implemented continuous autofocus yet. Obviously it isn't always needed / desired, but it seems like it would be a software side fix and folks who don't want to utilize it can just turn it off. There are certainly situations where I wish I had the option on my 6K. I've been using a Lidar solution as a result, but it's not as reliable.