Has anyone else noticed the pattern? First it was "Caleb may not declare for the draft if Chicago gets the #1 pick Then "Caleb may pull an Eli Manning to force his way out of playing in chicago" Then it was "The bears should stick with JF" And now its "The bears should take this guy over Caleb" Anyone notice the pattern? Its like people dont want Caleb to play in Chicago. Hmmm.
Wow perception is indeed a crazy thing. Is that really how you see things?? So the medical examination he refuses, wanting ownership of a team, wanting a new rookie type contract different from all other standard rookie deals and most importantly saying he will play for Chicago "regardless" of how he feels and the Bears have all the control doesn't scream red flag rather it's the media narrative to push keeping Fields over Williams?? Are we no longer supporting the same team? If so why would we all not want what is best for the Bears and look at everything much more objectively?? I like Williams game but his off field makes me so nervous you cant keep that away if not Johnny Manziel or Jarmacus Russell had the talent to succeed. The Red Flags are there for a reason the same way you see the same red flags before getting married, yet get married and be divorced in 12 months. It's common sense. I honestly would rather not be a Bears fan anymore it's way too toxic, no other fan base acts this way not even the cowboys
People don’t understand that QB’s Can’t win games alone. Jalen Johnson didn’t have a takeaway until they got Montez Sweat. If Justin Fields had everything around him that he needed, this wouldn’t be a conversation. Don’t change anything on that O’line then put Caleb under center and watch what happens to him💯💯💯💯
Why was the o line best it's been in 3 years when Tyson was qb for 4 games? Hmm because fields can not see the field. Jaylen didn't have any pics but yet still was grading out as the best dB in the league. So just don't
@@chrissparks6380 So no true my friend… Jaylon has never graded out as the best db. You can’t do that if you’ve never had a takeaway. Also, Tyson was running for his life that game he threw all those interceptions.
@@0726lostsoul Our offensive line graded out as top five in the nfl behind tyson. Jaylen was never worse than top five in the n f l for the entire season. Those are facts
Please check out Kenneth Davis on yesterday's podcast cast (Poles dishes on JF1) he got upset at how the media spreads NOT accurate reports!!! To funny, 🐻⬇️
Honestly when drafting at the quarterback position it’s the only position you just don’t know what the outcome is going to be in the NFL. Despite all the analytics and eye test you’re rolling the dice hoping this is the one. The NFL is just a beast. It’s Do Or Die….
Agree. 2/3 of the first round QBs don’t work out for the teams that drafted them & of the remaining 1/3 fewer become truly solid starters. Teams can’t measure drive & heart. Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, all had or have a relentless drive to get better & be 100% prepared every day. Too many never really get it & their teams don’t help either. The right QB has to end up in the right situation where the QBs can compete & grow instead of being handed a starting job. None of these QBs will have a chance of the Bears don’t make changes. Maybe the new OC will do that.
@@r.williamcomm7693which is why teams, when doing interviews, used to ask some really messed up questions and intentionally say things to try and hit a nerve with QBs. They’ve watched thousands of hours of tape and know all the physical measurements, but try to put these QBs into REALLY uncomfortable situations to see how they respond. Last I checked, they don’t really do that anymore because it’s not nice to say mean things about a QBs mom or whatever lol
@@Voysh2Voysh69 Agree. They don’t need to ask a candidates if his mother is a prostitute. A good private investigator will find that anyway. Lol 😂 Scouts can watch tape & learn the gym & study habits of a young QB but like with Tom Brady, they often don’t have a way to find exceptional drive & maturity. Especially when Brady didn’t have first round effort being put into his scouting. It’s less surprising to me that Bill Polian with the Colts knew that Peyton Manning had a special drive, then for the Chargers to not realize that Ryan Leaf did not. They had a good locker room & had been to a Super Bowl 4 years earlier so maybe they thought that their team would sweep him up in football culture & Leaf would step up. Probate investigators were used by teams even as far back as looking into Dan Marino. Finally, as teams grasp, many QBs who haven’t been graded as a first round candidate get selected in the first round as media & agents promote them. Yet just a few years ago Lamar Jackson fell to the bottom of the first round. Maybe it’s not as big an issue with the scouting as the rarity of QBs who they think have what it takes to become an excellent starting NFL QB.
The only reason we would trade fields is because the front office believes caleb can come in and immediately be better than fields. That means no excuses, 12 wins or better. Generational should have Generational results immediately. Just like Andrew Luck and CJ Stroud
Quit trying to put that type of pressure on him! Fields didn't work out and if you so butthurt over him leaving. All you gotta do is go with! Not sit around and be grumpy and saying things like this. Justin was Pace's picks and Poles was nvr hitches to him. He didn't have to give him what he did and moved off him, as soon as he got the GM job.
@@midwestkrazy83turner50 I'm not butthurt at all. I never said Caleb was generational. Everybody said he's the next mahomes. Im expecting him to come in and be better than fields asap. CJ Stroud generational and played like it. If Caleb is the next mahomes, he should take this team by storm. We don't need no more wrs or o line. It's good enough right?!
@@LesPronto they need more weapons and a center. They can work on Defense later down the road. They were 12th and doing good. So they in a good place, if they nail the QB?
@@LesProntoI agree. He has to rewrite all the rookie records and win 12 games to justify the hype. With the same personnel because he is OBVIOUSLY the answer. Not a better OLine. Or better coaching/ play calling. And I’m sure he’ll succeed with receivers not named Moore or Kmet having a combined 20% drop rate. Anything less and he’ll be a bust and always suck. After all, those are the rules established for any QB that came before him.
Holmes and Bernstein are playing dumb about how the 24-hour sports media operates during draft season despite being a part of the 24-hour sports media for 30 years. It is almost because they think the Bears should stick with a bottom third starting qb, and looking for reasons to justify it.
The point isn't keeping Justin, it's the analysis saying to trade your QB for someone who might not even be the best prospect just like when Will Levis and Bryce Young were "generational" last draft.
@@WithDreday They have been around long enough to know that the conversation always swings on prospects. I remember Joe Burrow being too old and having too small of hands to go #1 after having the closest thing to a perfect season a player can have. All the stuff with Jameis and Marcus Mariota. The Luck vs RGIII stuff. I will never forget the Tebow nonsense. Every draft with 4-5 qbs projected to go in the 1st round gets compared to the Elway-Marino class. Nobody goes through unscathed, and some drunken scout in an Indy bar will always tell a reporter why this other guy is better than the one you think is the best. Every year brings nonsense talk, because the media they are a part of needs to fill the hours and space. The talk doesn't make it true, and these two know better. They have made fun of it for years, and now are playing dumb to fit their preference.
@@benoitwaffle5439 True enough, but they way the media is clamoring for Caleb, they better support him, even if he starts out bad. The Packers media supported Jordan Love through the patch in the season when everyone was saying he was a bust, I somehow don't see that happening for Williams.
I don’t see those flashes transferring to the nfl with Caleb I will allude to Ryan poles saying “ they’re artist and then they’re surgeons” I don’t understand how’s he a generational talent that has a Heisman but has never been to the playoffs (head scratcher) somebody’s gonna tell me he had no help and then was say what about Justin
The media analysts need to stretch out media circus during the offseason. They have to create narrative changes over the couple of months while they wait for the draft
This is very easy at the end of the day … A QB has to be able to throw reliably from the pocket when it matters in the postseason. Caleb Williams hasn’t proven he can do that in college. Poles is dealing this pick.
Dan Orlovsky is the epitome of an analyst seeking popularity rather than being consistent and measured in everything he says. He talks how he played, awkward and very inconsistent. He’s all over the place behind a desk, just like he was taking snaps as a QB.
People say that because they are trying to make a name for themselves. They want to stand out and hope they get it right so they can come back and be "see, i told you so" and then be known as the guy that called Caleb to bust. Otherwise, some people just want to be a contrarian.
I agree. He's much better in the pocket and as a passer than Caleb. Caleb can wow you with the off platform plays and arm angle throws. As a pocket qb,penix is the best in this draft
Ummm I’m sure what the love is for Daniel’s, he’s not a great passer, his game is almost identical to Justin’s except he has a weaker arm. The two QB’s in college history that throw over the middle the least, were Justin and Daniels. He don’t like it, can’t do it, doesn’t want too. That requires anticipation. It’s lying season boys and the agents are doing a lot of their usual hey do you like Rolex’s? Trey Lance what a stud, Zach Wilson, this guys amazing, Mitch Trubisky best QB in the draft. You guys bite on it every time. Give me a break with Daniels. Enough is enough. You can’t make a Williams/Mahomes comp, the GM of the Bears just did that. He’s charted every one of these guys, and helped the with the Mahomes draft evaluation. But you say you know better, Daniels, you were excited about Mitch as well. Give me a break already, take the obvious pick.
Ignore the negatives and embrace change. In every NFL & NBA draft they will hype up top prospects only to give teams a B letter grade for choosing those prospects immediately after the draft.
Everybody hates and is jealous of the Bears right now. When you are in a position of power, people will want you to second guess yourself and implement seeds of self-sabotage. Poles is so stoic and cuts out the noise, he is the reason we are turning the team around. People are scared. We have to think clearly: Take Caleb, trade Justin, sign JJ, take Rome, draft some great players with the rest of the picks,make a splash in FA. 2024 season gonna be ‼️
Holmes NAILED it. All the talk since the last regular season game, especially here, was about Caleb or bust. NOW we wanna talk about the others…? Where was all of this weeks ago? I BEEN sayin’ this since then!!
@@albertmckennie4282when they draft cw and he is worst than fields, bears will have set the franchise back 5 years.... Not onky will u lose fields( whi is better than all qb I the The dradt) but u lose on the draft capital and or mhj at that pis and 3 years down the line u habe to pay a lot of ppl.... Ur fucked bears fans, cw is a bust
It is a 95% certainty that if the Bears take Williams he will suck. He will have 3 head coaches, 8 different OC's and 5 QB coaches all teaching him something different and after 4 years he will get traded. This is the Bears way. Draft a QB and then absolutely fail to provide any stability for him to learn and grow.
That’s what worries me the most it’s not anything about Caleb that scares me. It’s the organization and the coaches that surrounds him that’s troubling. Because we have no concrete history or reference point to go off of that would make us feel comfortable about drafting Caleb and developing him properly because as a franchise we’ve literally never developed a franchise quarterback into a star.
This time of year is crazy. Your points are spot on. How can someone act like they haven't "really scouted" someone until this time of year, and yet at the same time there's a narrative that this year's QB class is far superior to next year's QB class. How would that person be able to say without waiting until this time next year when they "really scout" those QBs?
It's much easier to look great and put up numbers as a QB when you have 2 x 1st round receivers that get open almost every play. Caleb Williams and Drake Maye each had a single 3rd to 4th round #1 receiver... If Jayden Daniels gets drafted to the Patriots, good luck to him trying to find giant windows to throw into like he's used to.
May went to duke.......the acc is trash and willaims almost lost to colorado.......in the pack 10 only Slightly better than acc( was and organg are the class of pac 10) PLEASE don't act like they play def in either of them conference the only conference that plays def in college is sec and the best is big 10.....that's it
ESPN literally says things just for the sake of getting more clicks. Don't take what they say too seriously. Listen to any real analyst, and they'll tell you there's a considerable gap between Caleb and everyone else.
I also think as the combine goes on and more and more players impress like Dallas turner did today and friske Brian Thomas jr is gonna impress your gonna see the talks of a trade down start to REALLY pick up cause the QBs aren’t as strong of a class as we thought they were not saying they’ll be bad but none are generational AT ALL tbh with you and their are tons of players in this draft who bears can get on their team and build it out and be GREAT
What is the history of a college player having his best season in his junior season then taking a step back in his senior college season but then becoming a NFL superstar?
Laurence Holmes said Drake Maye isn't athletic. 😕 I'm not sure if he was being sarcastic, but it didn't sound like it. If he was serious, he hasn't watched any tape on Maye and he is clearly incorrect. That's akin to stating Justin Herbert has a weak arm.
Jayden Daniels seems to want to play for the Raiders and one of his mentors Antonio Pierce. He's a California guy who played for AP and assistant Marvin Lewis. He hung out on the sideline and locker room during the Raiders last game against Denver, bonding with the team no doubt. Chicago would be better off trading the 1st pick and possibly the 2nd pick, if they swap with Washington. The Bears are VERY void of talent and should roll with Fields while stockpiling picks/talent. They need much more than a QB. Without an upgraded roster, they'll probably waste a young QB's early career.
I don’t know why media and fans get so upset when someone has an opinion lol No one knows who will do what until it’s game time. We shall soon find out who can ball!
Drake Maye is the best pure passer in this draft. If you want a dual threat he isn't your guy though. He can scramble to extend a play, but he can't scramble for big chunks of yardage. Out of the top 3 QBs , Maye can throw a ball to a spot on the field on time, every time. Williams and Daniels cannot. Daniels to me is exactly like Justin but without the strength and sturdiness to absorb huge hits. That means Daniels will spend significant time on the IR behind this Bears O-line. Williams is supposed to be Elway Jr....and if the Bears think that they must draft him at #1. I don't think he is, but I also don't think the McCaskeys will pay Justin big money in 2 years. I hope the McCaskeys prove me wrong and ante up, but that's a long shot since they are Chicago team owners.
As a Bears and an LSU fan... Love Jayden, but no. Jay as a pro is probably the 3rd best in this group. Hes no longer inaccurate, but short and medium depth routes he was about avg. His deep ball accuracy was because he had Nabars and Thomas creating separation. Nit that he was bad, but had the best WR corp out of the bunch. Do not out think the room here. Draft Caleb and if youre wrong, then youre wrong.
That's the only real answer....fields is at WORST avg at qb.. trade the pick get mhj get an line man and get more picks in future..... The rest of the qb is bust ir just avg at best
Just finally watched Jayden Daniels OMG!!! If we get him I love JF1 but this dude is legit I will not be mad at all. I just hope he doesnt get hurt but he is Lamar Jackson if he had the ability to throw
He looks great because he has a stacked team. A VERY stacked team. Caleb didn’t look great because none of his team will go in the first round. You fail to see that. He put up BIG stats with mediocre talent.
@@jasonl8674 Joe Burrow also had a "stacked" team but Joe Burrow looked like a star with his stacked team. I don't understand your point? You don't excuse a player for any reason, especially if we have one already that we can park a bus filled with excuses for and yet we are discarding him for the sake of those excuses. So lets keep the same energy and get the actual best player who played best this season. No one cares about how great they looked 2 years ago or in highschool, how was that player Today and if you are worthy of going number 1 overall TODAY!!
JD was the best qb in 23 and better than CW. CW was the best in 22 and he just has the media hype that's all. CW didn't beat JD in any category involving playing qb in 23 none. This is why JD won the Heisman trophy. These so call experts are stuck in 22. JD is the most pro ready qb in this draft
Flus improved and is staying. Same for Fields. Defensive backfield became healthy at the same time Montez was picked up. Build the team. Fix the offense. End of story.
The part that bums me about Caleb is the next Mahomes. Is that it's totally unfair to the Mahomes and his "IT" factor. We won't know that until he plays in the NFL. Ben Simmons was the next LeBron James, and how did that turn out. He wanted to be Hollywood and didn't have the "IT" factor.
Funny you guys ran this! When it comes to why caleb had an off season, his o line wasn't as good and no wide outs! When it comes to jf o line and nobody to catch a ball, that dint matter
The mission is to build a Super Bowl team. You pick the guy that you think gives you the best chance to win a ring or rings and make the HOF, QB or otherwise. Everything else is just noise.
Ok they're spot on with this segment.. the QB takes are so fn dumb. Especially with the "he needs time to develop" crap that isnt supposed to apply to "generational" talent.
There’s soooo much time until the draft people just have to change their minds so they don’t feel bored. They can’t just say Caleb is the guy for months. They can’t help themselves. Ryan Poles….just take Caleb at #1 please and thank you.
The whole Caleb Williams thing is a study in politics. It almost feels we are being subjected to a massive propaganda campaign that a barely 6 foot tall QB is a guaranteed superstar in the NFL. The next thing will be that he will need time to develop, he will need a superstar offensive line and 3 great receivers, and that somehow the coaching is the problem, etc, basically the same things Fields never had.
He’s 6-1 1/8 stop believing the media bs. He don’t care about money as he’s worth 10-15 million already. Dude can play and he’s humble. His dad is a douche but Caleb seems normal minus the nail painting.
If the Bears select Caleb Williams in this draft Next Year, I expect The Chicago Bears in the Super Bowl 59. The sports media here believe Justin Field held the Bears out of the playoffs this past season. No development next season for Caleb Williams. Plug and play. The sports media here believe he is the chosen one
1:21 Jayden Daniels needs a few more pounds. He needs a year but he's got THEE tools. People sleeping on this aren't being honest. Jayden Daniels just needs some time to cook. He's 6'5" or 6'4" and if you move off one, you can still get Daniels and a future WR or TE (Bowers) and you can COOK.
This is very simple. You are thinking Orlosvky is a scout. Hes not. He is a ex QB turned into a national sport show. All they do is make hot takes. He admited he just scouted this class of QBs. The proper scouts have Caleb as #1 for 2 years and have not changed. Orlosvky said Caleb is a mix of mahomes and rodgers, but not say the bears should go for Jayden. It's for clicks, its to get everybody talking about his take. It's that simple. Guy is just hanging into Orlosvky opinion because is the same QB he likes
Just because the masses say one thing doesn’t mean its true. Peoples opinion subconsciously form without considering other options. Caleb william is not generational in my opinion … he has a high skillset throwing off platform. Evaluate the rest of his game because if you put him in the 2022 and 2023 bears his stats would be the same as jf and he is missing way more games than justin ever did. He fumbles just as much as justin… he gets sacked alot… grass isnt always greener.
So what I gather here is Holmes just took Orlovsky's opinion at face value and extrapolated it like it has some relevance across the entirety of media and ran with it. No, it's one QB analyst's hot take. And then to pretend like analysts and experts know what a QB is going to do at the NFL level. There are no guarantees on ANY prospect, so please stop pretending like there are. You guys: "Where were all these guys?" Reality: It's just one guy. Holmes, chew on this for a minute. "The Panthers have a QB that will allow them to do whatever they want from Day 1" - Dan Orlovsky
Now, the generational thing is going away. Surprise!! Doesn't sound like he's far better than anyone else. The bears don't have to make this move. You keep Fields and stack the line and get another number 1. Get another pass rusher. These two were doing the same thing they're complaining about now. If you want Caleb. Fine. But trade the defense and load up on offense because it's going to be 3 years before he's ready.
None of the prospects is guaranteed to be great. What they have done at the college level doesn't mean anything when is comes o becoming a great qb at the NFL level.
I can’t believe you guys are going to listen to what Dan O said lolll. He’s the same person that said JF would be MVP. Listen to the true experts. The people behind the scenes. Not the tv dudes smh
What this tells me is that there isn’t a clear cut can’t miss QB in this draft which to me signals the bears may trade down and get the capital it went from 1 generational guy to now drake then jayden and Caleb oh might be rattler idk that’s just what I think
Has anyone else noticed the pattern?
First it was "Caleb may not declare for the draft if Chicago gets the #1 pick
Then "Caleb may pull an Eli Manning to force his way out of playing in chicago"
Then it was "The bears should stick with JF"
And now its "The bears should take this guy over Caleb"
Anyone notice the pattern? Its like people dont want Caleb to play in Chicago. Hmmm.
Stop with this fake agenda
Wow perception is indeed a crazy thing. Is that really how you see things??
So the medical examination he refuses, wanting ownership of a team, wanting a new rookie type contract different from all other standard rookie deals and most importantly saying he will play for Chicago "regardless" of how he feels and the Bears have all the control doesn't scream red flag rather it's the media narrative to push keeping Fields over Williams?? Are we no longer supporting the same team? If so why would we all not want what is best for the Bears and look at everything much more objectively?? I like Williams game but his off field makes me so nervous you cant keep that away if not Johnny Manziel or Jarmacus Russell had the talent to succeed. The Red Flags are there for a reason the same way you see the same red flags before getting married, yet get married and be divorced in 12 months. It's common sense. I honestly would rather not be a Bears fan anymore it's way too toxic, no other fan base acts this way not even the cowboys
Dan O. said Justin Fields would be the 2023 MVP, so…….
I remember Dan O said that😂 😆 🤣
To be fair, no qb played that good last year....and fields missed 4 games, and his coaching staff was playing dumb games for the first 5 games...
People don’t understand that QB’s Can’t win games alone. Jalen Johnson didn’t have a takeaway until they got Montez Sweat. If Justin Fields had everything around him that he needed, this wouldn’t be a conversation. Don’t change anything on that O’line then put Caleb under center and watch what happens to him💯💯💯💯
Jaylon
Why was the o line best it's been in 3 years when Tyson was qb for 4 games? Hmm because fields can not see the field. Jaylen didn't have any pics but yet still was grading out as the best dB in the league. So just don't
@@chrissparks6380 So no true my friend… Jaylon has never graded out as the best db. You can’t do that if you’ve never had a takeaway. Also, Tyson was running for his life that game he threw all those interceptions.
@@0726lostsoul Our offensive line graded out as top five in the nfl behind tyson. Jaylen was never worse than top five in the n f l for the entire season. Those are facts
Few throws that remind them of Patrick mahomes. Outside of that he's worse than Justin was in college.
Loooove Holmes seems to be the only Chicago media folk that speaks the honest truth without trying to spin a narrative.
That’s false his blind love for fields even tho he’s a mediocre QB is bias
@@llamarre4 Not as much as I've seen for the blind love a shorter version of Justin fields. Lol.
@@llamarre4 that's cap, he talk about his faults too and realistic. You not listen because you a fool 😂😂😂
Please check out Kenneth Davis on yesterday's podcast cast (Poles dishes on JF1) he got upset at how the media spreads NOT accurate reports!!!
To funny, 🐻⬇️
He is the best of all of them. Bernstein is 2
Even more reason to trade down and get the best receiver , or OT ,and the extra picks this year and next year.
Honestly when drafting at the quarterback position it’s the only position you just don’t know what the outcome is going to be in the NFL. Despite all the analytics and eye test you’re rolling the dice hoping this is the one. The NFL is just a beast. It’s Do Or Die….
Agree. 2/3 of the first round QBs don’t work out for the teams that drafted them & of the remaining 1/3 fewer become truly solid starters. Teams can’t measure drive & heart. Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, all had or have a relentless drive to get better & be 100% prepared every day. Too many never really get it & their teams don’t help either. The right QB has to end up in the right situation where the QBs can compete & grow instead of being handed a starting job. None of these QBs will have a chance of the Bears don’t make changes. Maybe the new OC will do that.
@@r.williamcomm7693which is why teams, when doing interviews, used to ask some really messed up questions and intentionally say things to try and hit a nerve with QBs. They’ve watched thousands of hours of tape and know all the physical measurements, but try to put these QBs into REALLY uncomfortable situations to see how they respond.
Last I checked, they don’t really do that anymore because it’s not nice to say mean things about a QBs mom or whatever lol
@@Voysh2Voysh69 Agree. They don’t need to ask a candidates if his mother is a prostitute. A good private investigator will find that anyway. Lol 😂 Scouts can watch tape & learn the gym & study habits of a young QB but like with Tom Brady, they often don’t have a way to find exceptional drive & maturity. Especially when Brady didn’t have first round effort being put into his scouting.
It’s less surprising to me that Bill Polian with the Colts knew that Peyton Manning had a special drive, then for the Chargers to not realize that Ryan Leaf did not. They had a good locker room & had been to a Super Bowl 4 years earlier so maybe they thought that their team would sweep him up in football culture & Leaf would step up. Probate investigators were used by teams even as far back as looking into Dan Marino. Finally, as teams grasp, many QBs who haven’t been graded as a first round candidate get selected in the first round as media & agents promote them. Yet just a few years ago Lamar Jackson fell to the bottom of the first round. Maybe it’s not as big an issue with the scouting as the rarity of QBs who they think have what it takes to become an excellent starting NFL QB.
Only two guys I can watch on 670 score...other guys are pretty pathetic
The guys before and after this show are borderline unprofessional in their disdain for Justin. Especially the guests such as Biggs and Weirderer.
@@ChiCity630 Facts and Kaplan as become a pos
The only reason we would trade fields is because the front office believes caleb can come in and immediately be better than fields. That means no excuses, 12 wins or better. Generational should have Generational results immediately. Just like Andrew Luck and CJ Stroud
Quit trying to put that type of pressure on him! Fields didn't work out and if you so butthurt over him leaving. All you gotta do is go with! Not sit around and be grumpy and saying things like this. Justin was Pace's picks and Poles was nvr hitches to him. He didn't have to give him what he did and moved off him, as soon as he got the GM job.
@@midwestkrazy83turner50 I'm not butthurt at all. I never said Caleb was generational. Everybody said he's the next mahomes. Im expecting him to come in and be better than fields asap. CJ Stroud generational and played like it. If Caleb is the next mahomes, he should take this team by storm. We don't need no more wrs or o line. It's good enough right?!
@@LesPronto they need more weapons and a center. They can work on Defense later down the road. They were 12th and doing good. So they in a good place, if they nail the QB?
@@LesProntoI agree. He has to rewrite all the rookie records and win 12 games to justify the hype. With the same personnel because he is OBVIOUSLY the answer. Not a better OLine. Or better coaching/ play calling. And I’m sure he’ll succeed with receivers not named Moore or Kmet having a combined 20% drop rate. Anything less and he’ll be a bust and always suck. After all, those are the rules established for any QB that came before him.
@tdubya75 Thank you! Somehow they think these standards don't apply to him.
Holmes and Bernstein are playing dumb about how the 24-hour sports media operates during draft season despite being a part of the 24-hour sports media for 30 years. It is almost because they think the Bears should stick with a bottom third starting qb, and looking for reasons to justify it.
Dan doesn't. He knows it's best to move on. But Laurence is so in love with JF lol so bitter
The point isn't keeping Justin, it's the analysis saying to trade your QB for someone who might not even be the best prospect just like when Will Levis and Bryce Young were "generational" last draft.
They want to keep Fields, so I can’t take them seriously.
@@WithDreday They have been around long enough to know that the conversation always swings on prospects. I remember Joe Burrow being too old and having too small of hands to go #1 after having the closest thing to a perfect season a player can have. All the stuff with Jameis and Marcus Mariota. The Luck vs RGIII stuff. I will never forget the Tebow nonsense. Every draft with 4-5 qbs projected to go in the 1st round gets compared to the Elway-Marino class. Nobody goes through unscathed, and some drunken scout in an Indy bar will always tell a reporter why this other guy is better than the one you think is the best. Every year brings nonsense talk, because the media they are a part of needs to fill the hours and space. The talk doesn't make it true, and these two know better. They have made fun of it for years, and now are playing dumb to fit their preference.
@@benoitwaffle5439 True enough, but they way the media is clamoring for Caleb, they better support him, even if he starts out bad.
The Packers media supported Jordan Love through the patch in the season when everyone was saying he was a bust, I somehow don't see that happening for Williams.
I don’t see those flashes transferring to the nfl with Caleb I will allude to Ryan poles saying “ they’re artist and then they’re surgeons” I don’t understand how’s he a generational talent that has a
Heisman but has never been to the playoffs (head scratcher) somebody’s gonna tell me he had no help and then was say what about Justin
4:45 Jayden Daniels is the only guy I see that shows me, with a year on the bench, he can really cook.
Best and most funny segment in Score history!! You guys are at the top of your game . Well done.
Hands down my favorite show on the score, and made me switch over more and more from the one down the dial
The media analysts need to stretch out media circus during the offseason. They have to create narrative changes over the couple of months while they wait for the draft
The draft is for what a team needs we need a WR and Center, Marvin Harrison Jr and Jackson Powers Johnson,why does everybody want to do the most.
When Dan tells you something, you do the opposite. If he says to forgo Caleb and pick Jayden, then you pass on Jayden and pick Caleb
But he also said cw is generational....
Do u should not draft anyone and keep fields...
This is very easy at the end of the day … A QB has to be able to throw reliably from the pocket when it matters in the postseason. Caleb Williams hasn’t proven he can do that in college. Poles is dealing this pick.
Dan Orlovsky is the epitome of an analyst seeking popularity rather than being consistent and measured in everything he says.
He talks how he played, awkward and very inconsistent.
He’s all over the place behind a desk, just like he was taking snaps as a QB.
David Kaplan is going to say now that he wants Jayden Daniels.
Kap might have early Alzheimer's.
Drake ran for 450 yards, what do you mean he’s not athletic?
Drake may end up the best player but given his age the Bears wouldn't be right for him.
@@cochisechicagohis age?
He just turned 21
Drake will run no slower than 4.75...he's very athletic.
Hes sneaky athletic
I've been watching Bears football since Bob Avellini was the QB. This is a absolute circus. It's not over yet.
Holmes is right, media is never honest. They do this ever year with the 2nd and 3rd guy, out of no where days before the draft this guy good too 😂😂😂
People say that because they are trying to make a name for themselves. They want to stand out and hope they get it right so they can come back and be "see, i told you so" and then be known as the guy that called Caleb to bust. Otherwise, some people just want to be a contrarian.
Penix is the best pocket passer in the draft, most experience, threw over 500 times 2023, and ran a Westcoast offense
He'd be a great pick in the 2nd round
@@Frontyardfootball190 Agreed
You’re spot on he’s the most NFL ready. Watch him show up and just belong. Everyone else will need a year or two.
He should be. He played 6 frickin years of college football and will be 26 already with two bad knees.
I agree. He's much better in the pocket and as a passer than Caleb. Caleb can wow you with the off platform plays and arm angle throws. As a pocket qb,penix is the best in this draft
Ummm I’m sure what the love is for Daniel’s, he’s not a great passer, his game is almost identical to Justin’s except he has a weaker arm. The two QB’s in college history that throw over the middle the least, were Justin and Daniels. He don’t like it, can’t do it, doesn’t want too. That requires anticipation. It’s lying season boys and the agents are doing a lot of their usual hey do you like Rolex’s? Trey Lance what a stud, Zach Wilson, this guys amazing, Mitch Trubisky best QB in the draft. You guys bite on it every time. Give me a break with Daniels. Enough is enough. You can’t make a Williams/Mahomes comp, the GM of the Bears just did that. He’s charted every one of these guys, and helped the with the Mahomes draft evaluation. But you say you know better, Daniels, you were excited about Mitch as well. Give me a break already, take the obvious pick.
Ignore the negatives and embrace change. In every NFL & NBA draft they will hype up top prospects only to give teams a B letter grade for choosing those prospects immediately after the draft.
Everybody hates and is jealous of the Bears right now. When you are in a position of power, people will want you to second guess yourself and implement seeds of self-sabotage. Poles is so stoic and cuts out the noise, he is the reason we are turning the team around. People are scared. We have to think clearly: Take Caleb, trade Justin, sign JJ, take Rome, draft some great players with the rest of the picks,make a splash in FA. 2024 season gonna be ‼️
If that happens and Caleb is a bust you better own that bro...don't be soft and hide behind 'everyone was saying draft Caleb'.
I own anything I say or do 🤞🏾
Lawrence saying Maye isn’t athletic tells me he has no clue what he’s talking about lol
Holmes NAILED it. All the talk since the last regular season game, especially here, was about Caleb or bust. NOW we wanna talk about the others…? Where was all of this weeks ago? I BEEN sayin’ this since then!!
Dan, "It's going to be funny if they pick him (Caleb) and he sucks." It would be typical Bears luck if that happens and they traded JF1.
The Caleb the savior Williams funs do not want admit if he’s bad it will be a fucking disaster.😅😅
Don’t ever underestimate the Bears screwing this up.
@@albertmckennie4282when they draft cw and he is worst than fields, bears will have set the franchise back 5 years....
Not onky will u lose fields( whi is better than all qb I the
The dradt) but u lose on the draft capital and or mhj at that pis and 3 years down the line u habe to pay a lot of ppl....
Ur fucked bears fans, cw is a bust
It is a 95% certainty that if the Bears take Williams he will suck. He will have 3 head coaches, 8 different OC's and 5 QB coaches all teaching him something different and after 4 years he will get traded. This is the Bears way. Draft a QB and then absolutely fail to provide any stability for him to learn and grow.
That’s what worries me the most it’s not anything about Caleb that scares me. It’s the organization and the coaches that surrounds him that’s troubling. Because we have no concrete history or reference point to go off of that would make us feel comfortable about drafting Caleb and developing him properly because as a franchise we’ve literally never developed a franchise quarterback into a star.
So youre saying theres a chance
@@oathbreaker6150 😆
What is wrong with Fields?
This time of year is crazy. Your points are spot on. How can someone act like they haven't "really scouted" someone until this time of year, and yet at the same time there's a narrative that this year's QB class is far superior to next year's QB class. How would that person be able to say without waiting until this time next year when they "really scout" those QBs?
Your first mistake was listening to weiderer
It doesn't take much for a qb to be a generational talent for the Bears.
It's much easier to look great and put up numbers as a QB when you have 2 x 1st round receivers that get open almost every play. Caleb Williams and Drake Maye each had a single 3rd to 4th round #1 receiver... If Jayden Daniels gets drafted to the Patriots, good luck to him trying to find giant windows to throw into like he's used to.
May went to duke.......the acc is trash and willaims almost lost to colorado.......in the pack 10 only Slightly better than acc( was and organg are the class of pac 10) PLEASE don't act like they play def in either of them conference the only conference that plays def in college is sec and the best is big 10.....that's it
ESPN literally says things just for the sake of getting more clicks. Don't take what they say too seriously. Listen to any real analyst, and they'll tell you there's a considerable gap between Caleb and everyone else.
Yeah but how? Honestly he has inflated stats against awful defenses in the PAC10 and when he played actual talent he wasn't all that good
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Holmes is saying what every Bears fan will be screaming next year after they choose CW.
Cope
Say it louder for the people in the back!!!!!!
I also think as the combine goes on and more and more players impress like Dallas turner did today and friske Brian Thomas jr is gonna impress your gonna see the talks of a trade down start to REALLY pick up cause the QBs aren’t as strong of a class as we thought they were not saying they’ll be bad but none are generational AT ALL tbh with you and their are tons of players in this draft who bears can get on their team and build it out and be GREAT
Orlovsky was jumping up and down about Fields 4 years ago too.
What is the history of a college player having his best season in his junior season then taking a step back in his senior college season but then becoming a NFL superstar?
Dan Marino
We have PTSD with any quarterbacks from North Carolina.
Laurence literally has me in tears 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Laurence Holmes said Drake Maye isn't athletic. 😕 I'm not sure if he was being sarcastic, but it didn't sound like it. If he was serious, he hasn't watched any tape on Maye and he is clearly incorrect. That's akin to stating Justin Herbert has a weak arm.
Will Levis is also athletic and can throw for 300 yards but wouldn't win you many games
Maye is extremely athletic
The Bears are better off sticking with Justin Fields
Jayden Daniels seems to want to play for the Raiders and one of his mentors Antonio Pierce. He's a California guy who played for AP and assistant Marvin Lewis. He hung out on the sideline and locker room during the Raiders last game against Denver, bonding with the team no doubt. Chicago would be better off trading the 1st pick and possibly the 2nd pick, if they swap with Washington. The Bears are VERY void of talent and should roll with Fields while stockpiling picks/talent. They need much more than a QB. Without an upgraded roster, they'll probably waste a young QB's early career.
I don’t know why media and fans get so upset when someone has an opinion lol No one knows who will do what until it’s game time. We shall soon find out who can ball!
Maye is a good athlete...nobody is the athlete Daniels is but I agree with the premise that people have changed their tune mid-song
Who has the most experience playing with a bad offense Caleb Williams. And yes it's important when you consider it's the Bears we're talking about.
Drake Maye is the best pure passer in this draft. If you want a dual threat he isn't your guy though. He can scramble to extend a play, but he can't scramble for big chunks of yardage. Out of the top 3 QBs , Maye can throw a ball to a spot on the field on time, every time. Williams and Daniels cannot. Daniels to me is exactly like Justin but without the strength and sturdiness to absorb huge hits. That means Daniels will spend significant time on the IR behind this Bears O-line. Williams is supposed to be Elway Jr....and if the Bears think that they must draft him at #1. I don't think he is, but I also don't think the McCaskeys will pay Justin big money in 2 years. I hope the McCaskeys prove me wrong and ante up, but that's a long shot since they are Chicago team owners.
And tomorrow on this show they will take the opposite view on this subject as they have now .
As a Bears and an LSU fan... Love Jayden, but no. Jay as a pro is probably the 3rd best in this group. Hes no longer inaccurate, but short and medium depth routes he was about avg. His deep ball accuracy was because he had Nabars and Thomas creating separation. Nit that he was bad, but had the best WR corp out of the bunch. Do not out think the room here. Draft Caleb and if youre wrong, then youre wrong.
It’s hilarious/sad how these guys can read the whole situation and pretty much predict the same cycle over again
Btw great take guys
The only way to take Daniels over Caleb is if trade #1 pick to WSH for a haul and then take Jayden #2.
Prior to the past season Drake Maye was considered "the guy".
So if he is not better than his peers…. THEN BUILD SHOULD BUILD AROUNF JUST RIGHT?!?!?
That's the only real answer....fields is at WORST avg at qb.. trade the pick get mhj get an line man and get more picks in future.....
The rest of the qb is bust ir just avg at best
Just finally watched Jayden Daniels OMG!!! If we get him I love JF1 but this dude is legit I will not be mad at all. I just hope he doesnt get hurt but he is Lamar Jackson if he had the ability to throw
He looks great because he has a stacked team. A VERY stacked team. Caleb didn’t look great because none of his team will go in the first round. You fail to see that. He put up BIG stats with mediocre talent.
@@jasonl8674 Joe Burrow also had a "stacked" team but Joe Burrow looked like a star with his stacked team. I don't understand your point? You don't excuse a player for any reason, especially if we have one already that we can park a bus filled with excuses for and yet we are discarding him for the sake of those excuses. So lets keep the same energy and get the actual best player who played best this season. No one cares about how great they looked 2 years ago or in highschool, how was that player Today and if you are worthy of going number 1 overall TODAY!!
JD was the best qb in 23 and better than CW. CW was the best in 22 and he just has the media hype that's all. CW didn't beat JD in any category involving playing qb in 23 none. This is why JD won the Heisman trophy. These so call experts are stuck in 22. JD is the most pro ready qb in this draft
Not gonna lie.. I'll probably stop watching 670 besides parks and Speigs. Dan is fine but Jesus christ is Laurence hard to watch/listen to lol
I Can’t listen to Holmes anymore
Parkins is the worst on 670 lol
I used to like Holmes, he now panders to bersteins opinions, it’s sick to watch. Bernstein think he’s knows more than anyone.
It was never Poles’ truth, just the media on… we will now see which 6’4” QB wins Ryan’s heart at the combine and Poles will trade with WA.
Flus improved and is staying. Same for Fields. Defensive backfield became healthy at the same time Montez was picked up. Build the team. Fix the offense. End of story.
I'm more confused now!
The part that bums me about Caleb is the next Mahomes. Is that it's totally unfair to the Mahomes and his "IT" factor. We won't know that until he plays in the NFL. Ben Simmons was the next LeBron James, and how did that turn out. He wanted to be Hollywood and didn't have the "IT" factor.
Funny you guys ran this! When it comes to why caleb had an off season, his o line wasn't as good and no wide outs! When it comes to jf o line and nobody to catch a ball, that dint matter
Jordan Peele rockin that blue hoody! 🔵
Caleb is the no doubt #1. People just want clicks.
The mission is to build a Super Bowl team. You pick the guy that you think gives you the best chance to win a ring or rings and make the HOF, QB or otherwise. Everything else is just noise.
Why do you have to move off that #1 pick if you dont take Caleb? Thats just silly
WHERE IS LAILA?? WE NEED YALL 2 with LAILA!!! I LOVE HOOLMES‼️‼️‼️‼️
Ok they're spot on with this segment.. the QB takes are so fn dumb. Especially with the "he needs time to develop" crap that isnt supposed to apply to "generational" talent.
There’s soooo much time until the draft people just have to change their minds so they don’t feel bored. They can’t just say Caleb is the guy for months. They can’t help themselves. Ryan Poles….just take Caleb at #1 please and thank you.
The whole Caleb Williams thing is a study in politics. It almost feels we are being subjected to a massive propaganda campaign that a barely 6 foot tall QB is a guaranteed superstar in the NFL. The next thing will be that he will need time to develop, he will need a superstar offensive line and 3 great receivers, and that somehow the coaching is the problem, etc, basically the same things Fields never had.
This is Exactly correct Sir.
He’s 6-1 1/8 stop believing the media bs. He don’t care about money as he’s worth 10-15 million already. Dude can play and he’s humble. His dad is a douche but Caleb seems normal minus the nail painting.
If the Bears select Caleb Williams in this draft Next Year, I expect The Chicago Bears in the Super Bowl 59. The sports media here believe Justin Field held the Bears out of the playoffs this past season. No development next season for Caleb Williams. Plug and play. The sports media here believe he is the chosen one
1:21 Jayden Daniels needs a few more pounds. He needs a year but he's got THEE tools. People sleeping on this aren't being honest. Jayden Daniels just needs some time to cook. He's 6'5" or 6'4" and if you move off one, you can still get Daniels and a future WR or TE (Bowers) and you can COOK.
This is very simple. You are thinking Orlosvky is a scout. Hes not. He is a ex QB turned into a national sport show. All they do is make hot takes. He admited he just scouted this class of QBs. The proper scouts have Caleb as #1 for 2 years and have not changed. Orlosvky said Caleb is a mix of mahomes and rodgers, but not say the bears should go for Jayden. It's for clicks, its to get everybody talking about his take. It's that simple. Guy is just hanging into Orlosvky opinion because is the same QB he likes
Daniels is the best quarterback in the draft in my opinion.
People being payed off to say caleb is not #1 by Washington.
Dont get thrown off the scent, draft the Savant
Just because the masses say one thing doesn’t mean its true. Peoples opinion subconsciously form without considering other options. Caleb william is not generational in my opinion … he has a high skillset throwing off platform. Evaluate the rest of his game because if you put him in the 2022 and 2023 bears his stats would be the same as jf and he is missing way more games than justin ever did. He fumbles just as much as justin… he gets sacked alot… grass isnt always greener.
Went from generational to just being top of the class. 😂
Jayden Daniels is a smaller version of Justin Fields PERIOD
THANK YOU!!!!!
All I know if Fields needs to go. Bears need to SCORE POINTS. TIRED of not scoring. Fields will maybe fetch a third or fourth rounder.
Dude…. Stop cutting people off…. Poor radio etiquette…..🧐
Caleb is getting the keys and weapons from day 1 lucky.
May comes from a family of athletes including his mom
So what I gather here is Holmes just took Orlovsky's opinion at face value and extrapolated it like it has some relevance across the entirety of media and ran with it. No, it's one QB analyst's hot take. And then to pretend like analysts and experts know what a QB is going to do at the NFL level. There are no guarantees on ANY prospect, so please stop pretending like there are.
You guys: "Where were all these guys?"
Reality: It's just one guy.
Holmes, chew on this for a minute.
"The Panthers have a QB that will allow them to do whatever they want from Day 1" - Dan Orlovsky
I Caleb doesn’t make playoffs are we keeping Flus with another losing record .. ♻️
Pretty sure they have a plan for that. There's something to that.
He's not a long term guy
Now, the generational thing is going away. Surprise!! Doesn't sound like he's far better than anyone else.
The bears don't have to make this move. You keep Fields and stack the line and get another number 1. Get another pass rusher.
These two were doing the same thing they're complaining about now. If you want Caleb. Fine. But trade the defense and load up on offense because it's going to be 3 years before he's ready.
None of the prospects is guaranteed to be great. What they have done at the college level doesn't mean anything when is comes o becoming a great qb at the NFL level.
This draft will go down as one of the most overrated QB drafts of all time and you can book it ..
the bald dude knows zero football how does he have a job
I can’t believe you guys are going to listen to what Dan O said lolll. He’s the same person that said JF would be MVP. Listen to the true experts. The people behind the scenes. Not the tv dudes smh
What this tells me is that there isn’t a clear cut can’t miss QB in this draft which to me signals the bears may trade down and get the capital it went from 1 generational guy to now drake then jayden and Caleb oh might be rattler idk that’s just what I think
Laurence has a weird thing about Caleb. I really don’t understand. Just be contrarian, maybe?
Come on, these guys cover sports for a living and they've never heard of prospect fatigue?
It's because Orlovsky was a Lion
Why can’t Orlovsky have an opinion? I like the Score, but these two suck. Bernstein has ruined Holmes.