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No thanks on either track saw... i'll stick to my 35$ 4 foot level, 2 5$ clamps and 80$ Metabo HPT circular saw.... lower cost, less foot print and it does not have a battery that will eventually need to be replaced.... and will not die, or wont be charged when you need it most.
As someone who does not have a track saw AND already on the m18 platform…I would reluctantly take the Milwaukee track saw off your hands when you’re done with it. I hate that it’s taking up space in your shop that you could better use for something else. Keep up the great videos!
Gotta say, you’ve got some of the best review/comparison videos on UA-cam. Too many people just doing timed tests - “1-2-3-go”. LOL. Yours are much more informative.
Really pleased that you did this review of the Milwaukee system. My tool base is Milwaukee and was just lamenting to a friend that my very old cordless Milwaukee on the 14.4 batteries (1998 or so) was pretty dead and I would need a replacement for "off grid" farm fencing work. Now I can have a track saw too! Excellent!
I have owned the Festool cordless only because when I needed one they were the only ones who made a track saw. Bought the corded version first and used it many years. Excellent saw. Then sold that and purchased the battery model. That is also an excellent saw but only downfall is 2 batteries and only 1 charger. Yes saw runs on 1 battery but at a significant power loss I found anyways. I’ve been waiting for the Milwaukee version and finally purchased just the saw as I’m on their battery platform. I used it on a job cut oak veneer sheet goods on my Festool tracks and I was really impressed with it. I did straight cuts, 45° bevel cuts. Excellent job. Used 12 amp battery. Found the saw nicely balanced even with the bigger battery. I’m using a Makita 6 1/2” blade on it. And it fits in my Festool systainer too until I build a case for it. I didn’t want that big box that came with the kit.
Another great video - thank you. I bought the corded DeWalt Track Saw five years ago and it has served me well. No complaints. Take care of the tools you have and they will take care of you.
Awesome videos! This was very helpful! As a amateur woodworker my tool base became Milwaukee. Simply because I got tired of replacing tools and wanted something dependable. While all tools have their pros and con’s Milwaukee was just a preference. You brought up very good points as Milwaukee has had ample time to sort themselves from the top. All your videos are great! Keep up the amazing content!
Just bought the Milwaukee track saw and this video reaffirmed my decision. I don't own a lot of Milwaukee cordless tools, but given how expensive high performance batteries are in general, it only makes sense that you would want to max leverage the battery portion of your investment with the platform that has way more multipurpose [not strictly woodworking] cordless tools in their lineup, [vs. Festool]. If cut quality is comparable, I think the Milwaukee wins out. Great video BTW! 👍🏼
Thanks, man... after several years of debating, "woodworking track saw or not" I'm going to take the plunge and get the M18. After seeing dozens of review/comparison videos and the fact that as a professional remodeling contractor i'm already $10k invested into Milwaukee, M18 it is! I do have several other branded tools, pieces that stand out in their respective categories at particular price points & features so I wasn't set on Milwaukee but in this case, it makes sense.
I don’t fault Milwaukee regarding the Bluetooth feature. Easy enough workarounds. Good review. After watching over a dozen different videos on track saws, I am inclined to go with Milwaukee. Thanks for helping me with my decision making process.
Im team red for 90% of my power tools, but i wont be getting rid of my cordless Makita track saw any time soon , which happens to fit in the smaller "large" packout box perfectly with the double charger & batteries.
I couldn’t wait any longer and went with the Makita cordless. It’s such a specialized tool, I didn’t mind stepping away from Team Red for that purchase…I got the whole setup and saved $400.
Same here. I have the Makita cordless, and I feel it is absolutely one of the best bang for the buck track saws you can buy. The reason I went with Makita is I own several regular circular saws from the Skil to the Ryobi brushless to the Ridgid, and by far my favorite circular saw is my Makita is it's nice dedicated case. The motor is very quiet and it just oozes quality. So when I powered up the Makita track saw, I was not disappointed at all.
Thanks for your videos. I have the Makita 36 volt dual battery. Personally I feel it’s better than the over priced Festool. Test after test have shown the Makita outperforms the Festool. I would be interested in some tests between the Milwaukee and the Makita. Thanks!
My biggest gripe is the lied about the cost. They originally said you could buy the kit for $549 then delayed the release by several months and massively increased the cost!
Very in depth. Thank you! To add one observation, I like the fact the Milwaukee incorporated the idea of people using it possibly without tracks and making it easier for people to use it without them (i.e. the depth gauge ease). It actually makes it so that you don't need a circ saw AND the track saw easier than the Festool (which can be used without the track but is not as quick to use). So, if I went up to this point...I'd probably go with the Milwaukee. For the anti-kickback feature, I'm wondering if the Festool has a patent? That might be why.
If you’re a contractor, that 5-year warranty and packout box looks pretty good. Tools like this go through a beating on the job site. If you’re just doing woodwork, I think both of these tools will be amazing for you.
I will say Festool is old school, no questions asked. I’ve not had the same experience with MW and actually getting a response took several days. Festool called me back in 15 minutes, saw it was under warranty and that was it, zero questions.
In Uk you can buy different brands blade replacement for festool tracksaw. Trend for starters makes them and Freud which looks very similar to US brand Diablo. At the end of the day what matters when you look for a blade replacement is its general size and bore size plus blade thickness as it must match with built in riving knife. Both brands are using common size blades
I got this saw for $350 on a sale and got a 110" Wen track for $90. Not too shabby and the saw works great! Even the anti-tip feature seems to work on the Wen tracks.
@@MrJamesv004 It was a home depot special deal somehow behind the scenes. It was kinda like pick 2 tools deal and somehow I managed. I legit thought the app was broken lol
Dude your video is awesome. You just spent a lot of my money! I’ve always wanted a festool setup but when my father passed I inherited a ton of Milwaukee tools and batteries. I have a couple 12.0 batteries and they are BEAST!!!
Great review. The "But You Made This" part is a little click baity, but I get. I got my Milwaukee a week ago and ready do love it. That said, for those looking at both, the best advise Matt gave is go with where you are already invested. For me, that's Milwaukee. If you don't have either, you should then look at all the other tools both offer (and the price) and pick one. Again, thank you for a great review.
I know I already stated this on your earlier video on the Milwaukee, but I'll say it again here: I have owned the Wen tracksaw for several months. Other than it being corded, I'm really not seeing THAT much of an improvement over it that the Milwaukee or Festool give. At least, not at nearly 10x the price, compared to the Wen. And, the Wen also has anti-kickback, and you can put other blades in it (I think I have a Makita 6-1/2" in my Wen now). And, the Wen also has the "scoring" option as well. Maybe durability will be a thing to consider in the long run, but so far, I'm impressed with the Wen. And it was under $100.
I bought my WEN about 3 years ago, and it’s worked great for my needs. I’m sure all the other track saws that cost far more money are likely far better, but they all have a blade that goes round and cuts as it follows a track. Of course I can put any brand saw blade on my WEN. If I used a track saw all the time, or took it to the jobsite as my table saw replacement, perhaps I’d buy something more expensive, perhaps not, as then I would worry about someone walking off with it while on site. I’ve never done an angle cut with it, so maybe it’s crap for that, maybe not, but what I do know, is that when I ordered the WEN track saw, with tracks ($150) from Home Depot, I was also able to order a Grizzly bandsaw ($600) through Home Depot, along with a WEN oscillating spindle sander ($100) for less than the Festool track saw or the Milwaukee kit you purchased alone, and I filled my shop with 3 tools I didn’t have, but found I needed. However, I now see that the Festool and Milwaukee saws appear to be selling for less than they were, even a few weeks back, but not sure. I know there are those of you who likely have complaints about the Grizzly bandsaw, but it’s actually a great saw and, numerous reviews rate it as the best value bandsaw on the market. No, it’s not a Laguna, but I’m very happy with all three of my purchases, and in the end, that’s all that really matters for all of us.
Hey brother, Infinity Tools makes a 6 1/2” 20mm arbor track saw blade that will work on the M18 saw, so you don’t have to use the throw-away Milwaukee blades. Also, check out Tenryo blades for your TSC 55.
Nice video. I thought for sure you would mention the lack of an automatic blade locking system while changing the blade. That is a nice feature on the festool.
Hey, a point for Milwaukee...if you are a veteran, you can pick up the pack-out kit for only $575.10. Im not sure of any military discounts on Festool.
So your right they finally made a track saw. I am a Milwaukee tool guy so yeah that's the one for me. I think with the box you could take out the foam tool holder and put sockets or other things under the saw. I did like the auto switch on the vacuum but I will never own a fancy jobber like that anyway.
Jeez, your title made me expect that this Milwaukee Track Saw (that I'm considering purchasing) would be a disaster, and you finish with "This is an absolute awesome saw! There is nothing wrong with it".(20:27). I can appreciate the point (that you and others make) that it hasn't raised the bar with any game changing innovation among the best track saws available especially since Milwaukee is the last major tool company to produce a track saw, but my take away is, it . Your statement in your title "But You Made This" nearly turned me off from considering this product any further. All that being said, may I say that I have watched several review videos as I research track saws, and you are by far the most informed and effective product reviewer out there. You're like a video version of the owners manual. I suspect I'll buy this since I'm already tied to the M18 system, and when I do, I'll be glad I subscribed to your station so I can review the features again. Thank you Sir!
Really great vid - thanks for this! Looks like a really nice saw. Myself, I got tired of waiting for Milwaukee and ended up buying the Makita 40v track saw... Love that thing, but I really wish the blade was on the left side. I'm tempted to ditch it for the Kreg just for that reason, but, I really hate cords. I know I know, doesn't make a bit of sense since nearly 100% of the time I'm tethered to a dust collector.
Thanks for this excellent comparison, although I am still a little conflicted. Here is what happened: apparently my insurance company has been overcharging me for my auto insurance over the past year, so they recently sent me a check for a little over a grand! Pretty sweet. Of course I am going to use the funds to get myself a new toy. I love my Makita track saw, but heck, I think it is time for something new. I am leaning towards the Festool TSC 55 KEB, because it will give me an excuse to eventually buy their excellent dust collection system. One can never have too many tools and for me, accuracy is King!
From my research I believe that the best track saw on the market are made by Mafell. I did months of research before purchasing the Mafell MT55cc track saw. I also opted for the Bosch tracks (made by Mafell with Bosch logo/colors) since they are exactly the same as Mafell's, but costs less. My only regret is that I waited so long before buying a track saw.
I have a Makita but switching to Mafell. My main cordless tools are all Milwaukee but for me going Milwaukee wouldn't be much of a change from the Makita. The Mafell tracks are much better, made of steel and can be joined and align much better as opposed to the Makita.
Why does noone talk about the DeWalt track saw? It's a 60v saw, the track has two usable sides and both have the splinter guard, so you can use one side for 90 cuts and one for beveled. Once you cut a bevel the zero clearance strip is ruined on a regular one! Also has 2.7 hp!!! Cost about ,$600 and is a very nice saw. Just wondering. Non of the top tool guys have even talked about this saw
well being an old man and on social security as my main source of income I won't have to worry about which to choose for my needs;;;;lol;;;If I can't build what I want to build with what I have I don't need it;;;all my tools are old like me and all have their quarks to make fairly accurate and I am used to the features;;;also there is no more room in my shop for more tools;;;however have been thinking about downsizing;;I have at least three of every tool one needs in a shop with the exception of jointer;; only have one old craftsman four inch so limited on use with some things;;;all battery tools ryobi;;;including ten inch miter saw which I like;;;had to fine tune but works for me;;;;;however for those who want tools that do all the work for them both look great;;;just measure mark and push and automatic control;;;;lol;;;;I had my own straight cut jigs so to speak for various widths for straight edge cutting;;;;making sure enough pressure applied to keep saw going straight down jig on what cuttin;;;;thumbs up and keep us up to date
i don't understand the comment about proprietary blade. isn't 6 1/2" very common blade size with almost all new circular saws? is it the fact this is track saw specific? how long will that last? it seems like diablo has a blade for everything.
Powertec, now makes a track for the Milwaukee, track saw. I included the Amazon, description below. This track can do both bevel, and straight cuts. Would love to see an updated on the Milwaukee, track review using the Powertec tack, 71871. POWERTEC 110" Track Saw Guide Rail Joining Set for Milwaukee Track Saws Includes 2x55" Aluminum Extruded Guide Rails and (2) Guide Rail Connectors for Woodworking Projects, 71871
Great video. I ultimately went with the cordless festool. One huge Pro for the festool as well is that despite having 2 batteries it can operate on 1! I was on neither platform so it just made sense to go that direction with a company that’s been building these style saws since the start
I am glad I went Festool. We decided to buy our second tools first and are just starting out. We do have some Milwaukee tools but they’re mitres are not the best so decided to just make the leap to Festool.
The yellow guys make the best miter saws, imo. I'm a pro trim/finish carpenter/woodworker, and for the 20 years I've been doing it, I've used nothing but yellow as far as the miter saws go.
I just purchased the Milwaukee track saw combo kit and I'm waiting for it to be delivered. The High Output XC 8.0 that is part of the kit is $199 at Home Depot. I saw the same battery, new, for $110. I've watched a bunch of videos, and by now, I'm sure you have an opinion on what battery you would use in this saw, being you've been using it for a while. Whatever insight you can give is greatly appreciated.
I wish Milwaukee offered a corded version of this saw. While I can see the advantage of a battery powered saw in some circumstances, I don't see it for use in a shop. You're going to want to use it with a dust collection hose attached, so the electrical cord isn't much of an added hinderance. Instead, the battery adds extra weight and future expense. Batteries wear out and are expensive to replace.
The Milwakee has anti tip for miter cuts with their own tracks, and Makita tracks. I have the anti-tip on Makita saw and like it. The riving knife and splinter guard make the Milwaukee a good upgrade candidate for Makita.
Awesome video!! Can the Milwaukee be adjusted so that the shoe allows it to fit exactly to have zero clearance on the strip already cut by another saw so that both Festool and Milwaukee can be used on the same rail and BOTH saws will have true zero clearance without having to change the strip?
Thanks for the great video, I’m in the market and shopping around and noticed some surprises, like the saw price alone means little if you’re not platform committed already because you need accessories with it. When you add track, batteries, chargers, clamps, dust collectors etc., that’s where the real price shows up. I’m mostly on 20v Dewalt tools but their track saw is 60v! Similar with Makita, they have 40V saw. MW at least has same battery voltage, that’s a big plus to me if I had MW tools, but I don’t. In conclusion I’m finding that the corded saws cost the same and in some cases more than the cordless ones in my area, so I’m leaning towards Makita because I’m not in the MW platform and the saw has great reviews and with accessories the ROI is pretty good. BTW you got a new subscriber, good video.
Thanks! That's what I thought. I have a few 6 1/2 inch circular saws already and prefer the size and weight to the 7 1/4. I was confused about what made it require a proprietary blade.
There are quite a few other brands that make blades to suit the festool saws of all kinds, our local building supplier carry all sorts from cheap blades at around $20 each in the 160mm to nicer than the festool blades at around $300
I like that track saw... 1 week in use... Cutting cumaru deck like nothing... Same osb and play wood, but without batteries it 700+ € euros here... Not cheep at all
I got another brand of track saw recently. Some thin jobs were easy enough to set up and cut and then I decided to take a cut to straighten up and old door on the hinge side, it was bowed out of shape over the years. I realized why this type of saw would have been better with the blade on the left so that on wide jobs a right handed person can walk past the left edge of the job as they go. I had to use the saw left handed to do the job. And so I began to wonder why so many "Skil" like saws have the blade on the right for the same problematic reason. Anyway thats my 2 cents worth.
Good video as always. Another review I watched said that when using the Milwaukee cutting at 45 degrees it doesn’t cut to the same line as it does at 90 degree mark and that it trims some of the anti tear out strip at 45 degrees. Did you notice that as well? Also did you include the Wittworks link for the dust cover? Have a good one. Ron
I really like the depth of your reviews and I readily agree with the entire review with the exception of proprietary blade comments. While, I would agree that Milwaukee did come out with their own line of 6.5” blades for the track saw (which are suspiciously identical to the CMT 6.5” blades) however, most every manufactured offers multiple 6.5” blades with a 5/8” arbor. Milwaukee may recommend their blades, however, they are by no means proprietary.
I’ve had the flexvolt saw for years, gets absolutely punished on site doing cement sheeting mostly and has done hundreds of whole houses, tens of thousands of sheets and still works perfectly Not as accurate as the festools etc for very fine work but a great saw for site use and abuse
I have watched another youtuber who intentionally skewed the milwaukee tracksaw on a hardwood maple and the blade stopped right away before doing any damage on the wood. So i think milwaukee replaced the antikickback with riving knife and the 1 second brake of the motor when you let go of the button
Great video! I would have been curious to see and hear the Festool cut thru the same piece of walnut with a single 18v and then dual. Anyway…great video…as always!!
The best part of the Milwaukee is all the battery choices you have. Need more runtime, get a 12.0 pack. Need more power for some reason, get the forge battery. Add in the warranty and the abundance of stores that carry Milwaukee tools, makes it a no brainer in my opinion.
Hi Kevin, I have the Mafell battery saw too, do you have issues with the blade vibrating during cuts? It spoils the cut when it happens, is my blade causing it?
Eh, they are certainly good for woodworking. But for someone who's a general contractor, milwaukee or makita is about only way to go to stay on one battery system.
Awesome review, thank you! I went with the Kreg after you reviewed that one and I couldn’t afford the Festool. Hopefully Flex comes out with one so I can get that as a cordless saw. Until then I will stick with the corded Kreg. I totally agree that it would be a great saw for someone who is already on the M18 line or is wanting to start it.
The track saw prices are not reasonable. Only contractors can afford them. For a hobbyist it seems absurd to spend $900 on a saw and track. I think Skill makes a cordless saw and track kit for about $350.
I'm already in the Milwaukee platform but... at that price range you are 100% correct. It should at minimum have all the same features. There is also the case that not all track accessories are fully compatible. TSO came out saying their products aren't fully compatible. I'm sure it's a tolerance thing and if both products are at opposite extreme of their tolerance it may not work. At the saw price not sure I'd be will to take that risk. Lastly, I don't do construction so a wired solution isn't a huge deal. May be slightly less convenient but if you don't know any better then you won't miss it. I purchased a Makita wired track saw. Meets my needs for a better price and their tracks are fully compatible with Festool track accessories. Might not have those fancy features but hey I don't own a SawStop either. Just have to pay more attention and do my best to eliminate any potential hazards that can cuz an accident. Ignorance is bliss right!
Great video, investment in battery brands is a strong motivator! I am ordering my Milwaukee tomorrow (good bundle deal with a hammer drill) and was wondering, are the tracks compatible with other track clamps? Thanks man, enjoy your content!
I want to comment on your battery observation, 6AH vs 5AH. As mentioned in the comments already, the 6AH basically means the total amperage (power per se) the battery can provide in one hour, in this case 6A. Swapping a 5 and 6 should not effect performance except how long the battery lasts. The only time i think it would matter is when either battery is close to the end charge. Having said that and I don’t mean to be disrespectful here, but wonder if your observation was real or perceived? Maybe some experts on batteries can comment?
What I was comparing, more than anything, was the "High Output" of the 6 Ah vs the regular 5 Ah. The high output battery is, in theory, and what I perceived during this test, actually giving more power during the cut. There's an article here about them also news.ohiopowertool.com/milwaukee-m18-high-output-vs-standard-redlithium-batteries/
@@michaellacaria910 you are correct 5ah-6ah is just the "time" the battery will work for.... what gives a battery more "power" is it C rating, the C rating is how fast a battery can be discharged (and charged).... think of the C rating as on a graph , a high C rating will give a straight line for much longer than a low C rating which the power will drop off faster.... I know this from having 40+ years of using RC batteries
For your own edification, Techtronic Industries or TTI makes Ryobi, Ridgid (non plumbing tools) and Milwaukee tools in a good-better-best tiered offering.
Reading the specs on the kerf of the blade on Milwaukee and Festool... The Milwaukee is equivalent to 2.2mm and the newer Festool blades are 1.8mm. Should help with a longer runtime before changing batteries.
Thanks for this comparison! I’m a huge Milwaukee fan and have a lot of their cordless tools. Currently the only Festool product I own is one of their dust extractors but I thought I was set on getting their track saw. And I do like the anti kickback feature for that just in case. But being invested in the Milwaukee ecosystem already it’s probably smarter to stay their. Less expensive since I don’t need batteries, one less charger etc. I agree though, it’s disappointing when companies have such a great opportunity to make something even better and innovative and they just take the easy road, cmon Milwaukee, you’re better than that! All that being said, I may have to get the Milwaukee which sounds like isn’t a bad choice at all.
Majority of my power tools are milwaukee. I do have the packout system for my wall and the mobile handcart. I love Festool tools but I hate their 2003 printer looking boxes lol.
The Festool multifunction table allows their rail to be mounted on a hinge so it can be easily flipped out of the way when changing pieces and then locked down again when cutting. Will the Milwaukee rail properly mate with that hinge system?
Great work on the video. A couple replies: -riving knife will mitigate most kickback outright. I have the bosch saw and the instance of kickback I experienced actually lifted the saw lifted the saw up and backwards off the rail (and left some knicks in the aluminum) . It has no riving knife but needs one. I don't know if a track based anti reverse feature would've stopped it. -the xc 5.0 battery is OK for intermittent tasks where capacity is more important than sustained intense application (high discharge). The high output range are drawing electricity from more battery cells at once, which keeps the apparatus cooler and also more efficient. You're running fewer current thru more channels instead of lots of current thru fewer channels. Even tho its the same total, the transmission is more efficient in HD range. I understand this is how milwakuee's 18v holds up against the 40v makita and 60v dewalt etc. -The blade arbor is 20mm , so you can run bosch, makita, etc 6.5" blades on this unit - as long as it is the same kerf thickness as the riving knife. not necessarily proprietary
What is this "cheap plywood" you're talking about? Lol! Great, in-depth video! You nailed all the questions I would ask with detailed answers and demonstrations! Thank you!
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No thanks on either track saw... i'll stick to my 35$ 4 foot level, 2 5$ clamps and 80$ Metabo HPT circular saw.... lower cost, less foot print and it does not have a battery that will eventually need to be replaced.... and will not die, or wont be charged when you need it most.
As someone who does not have a track saw AND already on the m18 platform…I would reluctantly take the Milwaukee track saw off your hands when you’re done with it. I hate that it’s taking up space in your shop that you could better use for something else. Keep up the great videos!
I appreciate that you buy many of the tools you review yourself.
IMHO there are way too many “sponsored” tool reviews on UA-cam.
Gotta say, you’ve got some of the best review/comparison videos on UA-cam. Too many people just doing timed tests - “1-2-3-go”. LOL.
Yours are much more informative.
I appreciate that!
Really pleased that you did this review of the Milwaukee system. My tool base is Milwaukee and was just lamenting to a friend that my very old cordless Milwaukee on the 14.4 batteries (1998 or so) was pretty dead and I would need a replacement for "off grid" farm fencing work. Now I can have a track saw too! Excellent!
I have owned the Festool cordless only because when I needed one they were the only ones who made a track saw. Bought the corded version first and used it many years. Excellent saw. Then sold that and purchased the battery model. That is also an excellent saw but only downfall is 2 batteries and only 1 charger. Yes saw runs on 1 battery but at a significant power loss I found anyways. I’ve been waiting for the Milwaukee version and finally purchased just the saw as I’m on their battery platform. I used it on a job cut oak veneer sheet goods on my Festool tracks and I was really impressed with it. I did straight cuts, 45° bevel cuts. Excellent job. Used 12 amp battery. Found the saw nicely balanced even with the bigger battery. I’m using a Makita 6 1/2” blade on it. And it fits in my Festool systainer too until I build a case for it. I didn’t want that big box that came with the kit.
Another great video - thank you. I bought the corded DeWalt Track Saw five years ago and it has served me well. No complaints. Take care of the tools you have and they will take care of you.
That's right!
Awesome videos! This was very helpful! As a amateur woodworker my tool base became Milwaukee. Simply because I got tired of replacing tools and wanted something dependable. While all tools have their pros and con’s Milwaukee was just a preference. You brought up very good points as Milwaukee has had ample time to sort themselves from the top.
All your videos are great! Keep up the amazing content!
Just bought the Milwaukee track saw and this video reaffirmed my decision. I don't own a lot of Milwaukee cordless tools, but given how expensive high performance batteries are in general, it only makes sense that you would want to max leverage the battery portion of your investment with the platform that has way more multipurpose [not strictly woodworking] cordless tools in their lineup, [vs. Festool]. If cut quality is comparable, I think the Milwaukee wins out. Great video BTW! 👍🏼
Makita cordless all day, quality piece of kit, and for the price! Thanks for the video.
Great in-depth video. You do a great job going over every little details on these tools reviews!
I appreciate that!
Thanks, man... after several years of debating, "woodworking track saw or not" I'm going to take the plunge and get the M18. After seeing dozens of review/comparison videos and the fact that as a professional remodeling contractor i'm already $10k invested into Milwaukee, M18 it is! I do have several other branded tools, pieces that stand out in their respective categories at particular price points & features so I wasn't set on Milwaukee but in this case, it makes sense.
I don’t fault Milwaukee regarding the Bluetooth feature. Easy enough workarounds. Good review. After watching over a dozen different videos on track saws, I am inclined to go with Milwaukee. Thanks for helping me with my decision making process.
Im team red for 90% of my power tools, but i wont be getting rid of my cordless Makita track saw any time soon , which happens to fit in the smaller "large" packout box perfectly with the double charger & batteries.
I think Mikita Tracksaw is great for the price. Well I got the corded version since I'm in team yellow.
I couldn’t wait any longer and went with the Makita cordless. It’s such a specialized tool, I didn’t mind stepping away from Team Red for that purchase…I got the whole setup and saved $400.
Same here. I have the Makita cordless, and I feel it is absolutely one of the best bang for the buck track saws you can buy. The reason I went with Makita is I own several regular circular saws from the Skil to the Ryobi brushless to the Ridgid, and by far my favorite circular saw is my Makita is it's nice dedicated case. The motor is very quiet and it just oozes quality. So when I powered up the Makita track saw, I was not disappointed at all.
Thanks for your videos.
I have the Makita 36 volt dual battery. Personally I feel it’s better than the over priced Festool. Test after test have shown the Makita outperforms the Festool. I would be interested in some tests between the Milwaukee and the Makita. Thanks!
I also bought the Makita 36v dual battery track saw. Couldn't be happier, definitely a lot cheaper than this Milwaukee
Another vote for the Makita, it’s amazing, love that 36v
My biggest gripe is the lied about the cost. They originally said you could buy the kit for $549 then delayed the release by several months and massively increased the cost!
still beats the 1500$ festool in price
Very in depth. Thank you! To add one observation, I like the fact the Milwaukee incorporated the idea of people using it possibly without tracks and making it easier for people to use it without them (i.e. the depth gauge ease). It actually makes it so that you don't need a circ saw AND the track saw easier than the Festool (which can be used without the track but is not as quick to use). So, if I went up to this point...I'd probably go with the Milwaukee. For the anti-kickback feature, I'm wondering if the Festool has a patent? That might be why.
milwaukee fanboys crying
@@gm08351 don’t be a keyboard muppet
It is clearly a copy of the Festool minus the patented items XD
If you’re a contractor, that 5-year warranty and packout box looks pretty good. Tools like this go through a beating on the job site.
If you’re just doing woodwork, I think both of these tools will be amazing for you.
Totally agree
I will say Festool is old school, no questions asked. I’ve not had the same experience with MW and actually getting a response took several days. Festool called me back in 15 minutes, saw it was under warranty and that was it, zero questions.
You need to compare the 2-battery Makita, now that you've covered most of the other bases.
I'm pretty sure he'd be happy to do it if you purchased and sent him one. ;)
Key blades make a great alternative up the festool blades.
In Uk you can buy different brands blade replacement for festool tracksaw. Trend for starters makes them and Freud which looks very similar to US brand Diablo. At the end of the day what matters when you look for a blade replacement is its general size and bore size plus blade thickness as it must match with built in riving knife. Both brands are using common size blades
Diablo it is a Freud's brand.
Freud (Frese Udinesi) is an italian company bought some years ago by Bosch.
I got this saw for $350 on a sale and got a 110" Wen track for $90. Not too shabby and the saw works great! Even the anti-tip feature seems to work on the Wen tracks.
I just got the milwaukee saw and router for 389! Good to know the wen track works for the milwaukee
@@DeathLikeWebz How did you manage to get that deal?
@@MrJamesv004 It was a home depot special deal somehow behind the scenes. It was kinda like pick 2 tools deal and somehow I managed. I legit thought the app was broken lol
I like Festool but for a track saw I chose Makita and saved a few bucks. And am more than happy with it.
Best choice
Dude your video is awesome. You just spent a lot of my money! I’ve always wanted a festool setup but when my father passed I inherited a ton of Milwaukee tools and batteries. I have a couple 12.0 batteries and they are BEAST!!!
Thank you.
CMT and others have blades for both of those track saws. There are several options besides the OEM blades. Taytools sells them, for one.
I just found a cmt 165mm to fit this on taytools. Thanks
Great review. The "But You Made This" part is a little click baity, but I get. I got my Milwaukee a week ago and ready do love it. That said, for those looking at both, the best advise Matt gave is go with where you are already invested. For me, that's Milwaukee. If you don't have either, you should then look at all the other tools both offer (and the price) and pick one. Again, thank you for a great review.
I know I already stated this on your earlier video on the Milwaukee, but I'll say it again here: I have owned the Wen tracksaw for several months. Other than it being corded, I'm really not seeing THAT much of an improvement over it that the Milwaukee or Festool give. At least, not at nearly 10x the price, compared to the Wen. And, the Wen also has anti-kickback, and you can put other blades in it (I think I have a Makita 6-1/2" in my Wen now). And, the Wen also has the "scoring" option as well. Maybe durability will be a thing to consider in the long run, but so far, I'm impressed with the Wen. And it was under $100.
Wow it's under 100, that's nice. A little bald birdy told me it doesn't handle the angled/ mitre cuts very well?
@@joegeorge4608 At that price, why not get two or three and set each one at a standard angle, 90, 45, 30?
You'll have to actually try the others before your point is valid. I get premis but it's all perception to you
I bought my WEN about 3 years ago, and it’s worked great for my needs. I’m sure all the other track saws that cost far more money are likely far better, but they all have a blade that goes round and cuts as it follows a track. Of course I can put any brand saw blade on my WEN. If I used a track saw all the time, or took it to the jobsite as my table saw replacement, perhaps I’d buy something more expensive, perhaps not, as then I would worry about someone walking off with it while on site. I’ve never done an angle cut with it, so maybe it’s crap for that, maybe not, but what I do know, is that when I ordered the WEN track saw, with tracks ($150) from Home Depot, I was also able to order a Grizzly bandsaw ($600) through Home Depot, along with a WEN oscillating spindle sander ($100) for less than the Festool track saw or the Milwaukee kit you purchased alone, and I filled my shop with 3 tools I didn’t have, but found I needed. However, I now see that the Festool and Milwaukee saws appear to be selling for less than they were, even a few weeks back, but not sure.
I know there are those of you who likely have complaints about the Grizzly bandsaw, but it’s actually a great saw and, numerous reviews rate it as the best value bandsaw on the market. No, it’s not a Laguna, but I’m very happy with all three of my purchases, and in the end, that’s all that really matters for all of us.
Compatibility of accessories might be a factor.
Hey brother, Infinity Tools makes a 6 1/2” 20mm arbor track saw blade that will work on the M18 saw, so you don’t have to use the throw-away Milwaukee blades. Also, check out Tenryo blades for your TSC 55.
Freud also makes a 6-1/2 20mm tracksaw blade...it cuts so nice.
debating between the M18 vs makita... leaning towards makita though
could be a drinking game.
Take a shot everytime he says, "we'll talk about it later"
Nice video. I thought for sure you would mention the lack of an automatic blade locking system while changing the blade. That is a nice feature on the festool.
Yeah, it has a lock button though. Not a big deal, IMO
@@731Woodworks I agree. Just another difference.
@@731Woodworks when are you going to compare the Mafell track saw
@@rickyperkins232 ....Mafell is in another league. Wish i could own one.
Hey, a point for Milwaukee...if you are a veteran, you can pick up the pack-out kit for only $575.10. Im not sure of any military discounts on Festool.
So your right they finally made a track saw. I am a Milwaukee tool guy so yeah that's the one for me. I think with the box you could take out the foam tool holder and put sockets or other things under the saw. I did like the auto switch on the vacuum but I will never own a fancy jobber like that anyway.
I wish I weren't so cheap, I have been clamping levels to plywood for years as saw guides for my occasional projects and this looks so much better...
Jeez, your title made me expect that this Milwaukee Track Saw (that I'm considering purchasing) would be a disaster, and you finish with "This is an absolute awesome saw! There is nothing wrong with it".(20:27). I can appreciate the point (that you and others make) that it hasn't raised the bar with any game changing innovation among the best track saws available especially since Milwaukee is the last major tool company to produce a track saw, but my take away is, it . Your statement in your title "But You Made This" nearly turned me off from considering this product any further. All that being said, may I say that I have watched several review videos as I research track saws, and you are by far the most informed and effective product reviewer out there. You're like a video version of the owners manual. I suspect I'll buy this since I'm already tied to the M18 system, and when I do, I'll be glad I subscribed to your station so I can review the features again. Thank you Sir!
Really great vid - thanks for this! Looks like a really nice saw. Myself, I got tired of waiting for Milwaukee and ended up buying the Makita 40v track saw... Love that thing, but I really wish the blade was on the left side. I'm tempted to ditch it for the Kreg just for that reason, but, I really hate cords. I know I know, doesn't make a bit of sense since nearly 100% of the time I'm tethered to a dust collector.
Thanks for this excellent comparison, although I am still a little conflicted. Here is what happened: apparently my insurance company has been overcharging me for my auto insurance over the past year, so they recently sent me a check for a little over a grand! Pretty sweet. Of course I am going to use the funds to get myself a new toy. I love my Makita track saw, but heck, I think it is time for something new. I am leaning towards the Festool TSC 55 KEB, because it will give me an excuse to eventually buy their excellent dust collection system. One can never have too many tools and for me, accuracy is King!
From my research I believe that the best track saw on the market are made by Mafell. I did months of research before purchasing the Mafell MT55cc track saw.
I also opted for the Bosch tracks (made by Mafell with Bosch logo/colors) since they are exactly the same as Mafell's, but costs less. My only regret is that I waited so long before buying a track saw.
I have a Makita but switching to Mafell. My main cordless tools are all Milwaukee but for me going Milwaukee wouldn't be much of a change from the Makita. The Mafell tracks are much better, made of steel and can be joined and align much better as opposed to the Makita.
Why does noone talk about the DeWalt track saw? It's a 60v saw, the track has two usable sides and both have the splinter guard, so you can use one side for 90 cuts and one for beveled. Once you cut a bevel the zero clearance strip is ruined on a regular one! Also has 2.7 hp!!! Cost about ,$600 and is a very nice saw. Just wondering. Non of the top tool guys have even talked about this saw
well being an old man and on social security as my main source of income I won't have to worry about which to choose for my needs;;;;lol;;;If I can't build what I want to build with what I have I don't need it;;;all my tools are old like me and all have their quarks to make fairly accurate and I am used to the features;;;also there is no more room in my shop for more tools;;;however have been thinking about downsizing;;I have at least three of every tool one needs in a shop with the exception of jointer;; only have one old craftsman four inch so limited on use with some things;;;all battery tools ryobi;;;including ten inch miter saw which I like;;;had to fine tune but works for me;;;;;however for those who want tools that do all the work for them both look great;;;just measure mark and push and automatic control;;;;lol;;;;I had my own straight cut jigs so to speak for various widths for straight edge cutting;;;;making sure enough pressure applied to keep saw going straight down jig on what cuttin;;;;thumbs up and keep us up to date
The innovation in the new track saw is the red “Milwaukee” logo. a
And based on the price of their other tools, it costs a lot to put that on there😂
i don't understand the comment about proprietary blade. isn't 6 1/2" very common blade size with almost all new circular saws? is it the fact this is track saw specific? how long will that last? it seems like diablo has a blade for everything.
Good comment. 7 1/4 is the common size for circular saws. 6 1/2 is more geared towards the track saw.
Working on the Jobsite you are happy for a proper sturdy Toollbox. Extra storage is always welcome.
Powertec, now makes a track for the Milwaukee, track saw. I included the Amazon, description below. This track can do both bevel, and straight cuts. Would love to see an updated on the Milwaukee, track review using the Powertec tack, 71871.
POWERTEC 110" Track Saw Guide Rail Joining Set for Milwaukee Track Saws Includes 2x55" Aluminum Extruded Guide Rails and (2) Guide Rail Connectors for Woodworking Projects, 71871
Great video. I ultimately went with the cordless festool. One huge Pro for the festool as well is that despite having 2 batteries it can operate on 1! I was on neither platform so it just made sense to go that direction with a company that’s been building these style saws since the start
A perfect video to show why some tools (tracksaws) should always be corded....
I am glad I went Festool. We decided to buy our second tools first and are just starting out. We do have some Milwaukee tools but they’re mitres are not the best so decided to just make the leap to Festool.
The yellow guys make the best miter saws, imo. I'm a pro trim/finish carpenter/woodworker, and for the 20 years I've been doing it, I've used nothing but yellow as far as the miter saws go.
@@m.d.d.3051 thanks, maybe I’ll consider them next time. So far my Kapex is cutting through wood like butter.
I own corded mahkita track saw. It's amazing
Thx for a great review. After looking at what was available at the time I chose Makita and love it.
Same here. 40v
I just purchased the Milwaukee track saw combo kit and I'm waiting for it to be delivered. The High Output XC 8.0 that is part of the kit is $199 at Home Depot. I saw the same battery, new, for $110. I've watched a bunch of videos, and by now, I'm sure you have an opinion on what battery you would use in this saw, being you've been using it for a while. Whatever insight you can give is greatly appreciated.
I'm not sure if you're aware, but Ryobi is made by Milwaukee or they are both owned by the same parent company, one of the two.
I wish Milwaukee offered a corded version of this saw. While I can see the advantage of a battery powered saw in some circumstances, I don't see it for use in a shop. You're going to want to use it with a dust collection hose attached, so the electrical cord isn't much of an added hinderance. Instead, the battery adds extra weight and future expense. Batteries wear out and are expensive to replace.
The Milwakee has anti tip for miter cuts with their own tracks, and Makita tracks. I have the anti-tip on Makita saw and like it. The riving knife and splinter guard make the Milwaukee a good upgrade candidate for Makita.
Anti tip tab on the milwaukee doesn't seem to fit the makita tracks unfortunately 😅
driving knife prevents from downing plunge cuts, which is the whole point of track saws
Awesome video!! Can the Milwaukee be adjusted so that the shoe allows it to fit exactly to have zero clearance on the strip already cut by another saw so that both Festool and Milwaukee can be used on the same rail and BOTH saws will have true zero clearance without having to change the strip?
Ryobi and Milwaukee are all part of the same TTI company. I'm not surprised that they released the Ryobi first.
Thanks for the great video, I’m in the market and shopping around and noticed some surprises, like the saw price alone means little if you’re not platform committed already because you need accessories with it. When you add track, batteries, chargers, clamps, dust collectors etc., that’s where the real price shows up. I’m mostly on 20v Dewalt tools but their track saw is 60v! Similar with Makita, they have 40V saw. MW at least has same battery voltage, that’s a big plus to me if I had MW tools, but I don’t. In conclusion I’m finding that the corded saws cost the same and in some cases more than the cordless ones in my area, so I’m leaning towards Makita because I’m not in the MW platform and the saw has great reviews and with accessories the ROI is pretty good. BTW you got a new subscriber, good video.
Thanks for the sub! I've heard nothing but great things about the Makita corded track saw. I don't think you would be disappointed with it.
Just buy the dewalt to Milwaukee battery adapters off Amazon, I’m dewalt 99%, but wanted their m18 Brad nailer, adapter works great.
Interesting that the track sold outside of the US (I'm in Australia) is completely anodized red. Great video, very well thought out and executed.
OMG! What are these awesome looking classic boots you are wearing?
They are made by Ariat. I have them linked in the description if you want to check them out.
Actually, you could buy Diablo blades to use on the Milwaukee track saw, and with the festool you only use festool blades which gets pricey.
Thanks! That's what I thought. I have a few 6 1/2 inch circular saws already and prefer the size and weight to the 7 1/4. I was confused about what made it require a proprietary blade.
There are quite a few other brands that make blades to suit the festool saws of all kinds, our local building supplier carry all sorts from cheap blades at around $20 each in the 160mm to nicer than the festool blades at around $300
I like that track saw... 1 week in use... Cutting cumaru deck like nothing... Same osb and play wood, but without batteries it 700+ € euros here... Not cheep at all
This is why I got fed up and went ahead and bought the Makita last year, even though all my battery-powered tools are Milwaukee.
I got another brand of track saw recently. Some thin jobs were easy enough to set up and cut and then I decided to take a cut to straighten up and old door on the hinge side, it was bowed out of shape over the years.
I realized why this type of saw would have been better with the blade on the left so that on wide jobs a right handed person can walk past the left edge of the job as they go. I had to use the saw left handed to do the job. And so I began to wonder why so many "Skil" like saws have the blade on the right for the same problematic reason. Anyway thats my 2 cents worth.
FYI, there are several manufacturers that sell track saw blades including Freud and CMT
Good video as always. Another review I watched said that when using the Milwaukee cutting at 45 degrees it doesn’t cut to the same line as it does at 90 degree mark and that it trims some of the anti tear out strip at 45 degrees. Did you notice that as well? Also did you include the Wittworks link for the dust cover?
Have a good one.
Ron
Mikita will use 20 mm arbor size blades as well as 5/8 arbor blades
One thing I found out the hard way is that Festool doesn't warranty accessories. At all.
I really like the depth of your reviews and I readily agree with the entire review with the exception of proprietary blade comments. While, I would agree that Milwaukee did come out with their own line of 6.5” blades for the track saw (which are suspiciously identical to the CMT 6.5” blades) however, most every manufactured offers multiple 6.5” blades with a 5/8” arbor. Milwaukee may recommend their blades, however, they are by no means proprietary.
Yep. I mis-spoke there.
this saw uses a 20MM arbor, like most track saws
I found the flexvolt plungesaw to be the best
Have not seen anyone compare the Milwaukee to DeWalt. Always seem to use Festool or Makita. Bought the DeWalt myself, couldn't be happier.
I’ve had the flexvolt saw for years, gets absolutely punished on site doing cement sheeting mostly and has done hundreds of whole houses, tens of thousands of sheets and still works perfectly
Not as accurate as the festools etc for very fine work but a great saw for site use and abuse
I have watched another youtuber who intentionally skewed the milwaukee tracksaw on a hardwood maple and the blade stopped right away before doing any damage on the wood. So i think milwaukee replaced the antikickback with riving knife and the 1 second brake of the motor when you let go of the button
Great video! I would have been curious to see and hear the Festool cut thru the same piece of walnut with a single 18v and then dual.
Anyway…great video…as always!!
The best part of the Milwaukee is all the battery choices you have. Need more runtime, get a 12.0 pack. Need more power for some reason, get the forge battery. Add in the warranty and the abundance of stores that carry Milwaukee tools, makes it a no brainer in my opinion.
I'm using team red MAFELL.
Hi Kevin, I have the Mafell battery saw too, do you have issues with the blade vibrating during cuts? It spoils the cut when it happens, is my blade causing it?
Eh, they are certainly good for woodworking. But for someone who's a general contractor, milwaukee or makita is about only way to go to stay on one battery system.
The pack out box system
Is 10x festainers
@@dimr1088if you want 1 battery system then the CAS system is the way to go
Man mafell to dang expensive
Thanks for this in depth review!
Liked the video a lot. Thanks for the time you put into it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome review, thank you! I went with the Kreg after you reviewed that one and I couldn’t afford the Festool. Hopefully Flex comes out with one so I can get that as a cordless saw. Until then I will stick with the corded Kreg. I totally agree that it would be a great saw for someone who is already on the M18 line or is wanting to start it.
I really hope flex comes out with one
@@TheWoodGuy69 I don’t think they will release one this year, but I would be willing to bet they will in the next couple years.
The track saw prices are not reasonable. Only contractors can afford them. For a hobbyist it seems absurd to spend $900 on a saw and track. I think Skill makes a cordless saw and track kit for about $350.
I'm already in the Milwaukee platform but... at that price range you are 100% correct. It should at minimum have all the same features.
There is also the case that not all track accessories are fully compatible. TSO came out saying their products aren't fully compatible. I'm sure it's a tolerance thing and if both products are at opposite extreme of their tolerance it may not work. At the saw price not sure I'd be will to take that risk.
Lastly, I don't do construction so a wired solution isn't a huge deal. May be slightly less convenient but if you don't know any better then you won't miss it.
I purchased a Makita wired track saw. Meets my needs for a better price and their tracks are fully compatible with Festool track accessories.
Might not have those fancy features but hey I don't own a SawStop either. Just have to pay more attention and do my best to eliminate any potential hazards that can cuz an accident.
Ignorance is bliss right!
Can you supply a link or info on the TSO comment. I've not seen anything, and can't locate any such comment about compatibility with the Milwaukee.
Go check out WittWorks UA-cam channel. He has it on a Short video
Great video, investment in battery brands is a strong motivator! I am ordering my Milwaukee tomorrow (good bundle deal with a hammer drill) and was wondering, are the tracks compatible with other track clamps? Thanks man, enjoy your content!
Man, this is a great review. You're a natural!
I appreciate that!
Awesome video! great to see an in depth video on them both, out of curiosity, have you ever tried the Mafell version of the track saw?
20,000 views in seven hours😮 that’s awesome good for you. Nice review enjoyed it.
Everything I was hoping to learn, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
I want to comment on your battery observation, 6AH vs 5AH. As mentioned in the comments already, the 6AH basically means the total amperage (power per se) the battery can provide in one hour, in this case 6A. Swapping a 5 and 6 should not effect performance except how long the battery lasts. The only time i think it would matter is when either battery is close to the end charge. Having said that and I don’t mean to be disrespectful here, but wonder if your observation was real or perceived? Maybe some experts on batteries can comment?
What I was comparing, more than anything, was the "High Output" of the 6 Ah vs the regular 5 Ah. The high output battery is, in theory, and what I perceived during this test, actually giving more power during the cut. There's an article here about them also news.ohiopowertool.com/milwaukee-m18-high-output-vs-standard-redlithium-batteries/
@@731Woodworks ok, that article was helpful and enlightening! Thanks
@@michaellacaria910 you are correct 5ah-6ah is just the "time" the battery will work for.... what gives a battery more "power" is it C rating, the C rating is how fast a battery can be discharged (and charged).... think of the C rating as on a graph , a high C rating will give a straight line for much longer than a low C rating which the power will drop off faster.... I know this from having 40+ years of using RC batteries
@@CementRoots thanks for that clarification, I was aware of such ratings but didn’t know what it was called. I’ve never seen it advertised either.
For your own edification, Techtronic Industries or TTI makes Ryobi, Ridgid (non plumbing tools) and Milwaukee tools in a good-better-best tiered offering.
Reading the specs on the kerf of the blade on Milwaukee and Festool... The Milwaukee is equivalent to 2.2mm and the newer Festool blades are 1.8mm. Should help with a longer runtime before changing batteries.
Thanks for this comparison! I’m a huge Milwaukee fan and have a lot of their cordless tools.
Currently the only Festool product I own is one of their dust extractors but I thought I was set on getting their track saw. And I do like the anti kickback feature for that just in case.
But being invested in the Milwaukee ecosystem already it’s probably smarter to stay their. Less expensive since I don’t need batteries, one less charger etc.
I agree though, it’s disappointing when companies have such a great opportunity to make something even better and innovative and they just take the easy road, cmon Milwaukee, you’re better than that!
All that being said, I may have to get the Milwaukee which sounds like isn’t a bad choice at all.
Try Starmix vacuum for no bags
If it takes to much space in your shop I don’t mind taking it off your hands!! Could
Really use that saw
Anyone else notice at 10:18 he said Milwaukee has a 1/8 deeper cut than Dewalt 😅. I replayed that a couple time to make sure I was hearing that right.
Majority of my power tools are milwaukee. I do have the packout system for my wall and the mobile handcart. I love Festool tools but I hate their 2003 printer looking boxes lol.
The Festool multifunction table allows their rail to be mounted on a hinge so it can be easily flipped out of the way when changing pieces and then locked down again when cutting. Will the Milwaukee rail properly mate with that hinge system?
Powertec tells me they are coming out with track compatible with Milwaukee track saw in March
We don't get Festool here in Barbados...but we do get Miwaulkee tools (eventually 😁)
Is it possible to do a Makita track saw comparison? You really outlined the features and differences between the two. Thanks
I'm an electrician and almost everything I own is Milwaukee but are their products good for fine woodwork?
Just a note Matt, you can buy third party blades for the Festool, the Milwaulkee may be to new to see them. Did not find any for it. Be Blessed
Check Infinity Tool
Great work on the video. A couple replies:
-riving knife will mitigate most kickback outright. I have the bosch saw and the instance of kickback I experienced actually lifted the saw lifted the saw up and backwards off the rail (and left some knicks in the aluminum) . It has no riving knife but needs one. I don't know if a track based anti reverse feature would've stopped it.
-the xc 5.0 battery is OK for intermittent tasks where capacity is more important than sustained intense application (high discharge). The high output range are drawing electricity from more battery cells at once, which keeps the apparatus cooler and also more efficient. You're running fewer current thru more channels instead of lots of current thru fewer channels. Even tho its the same total, the transmission is more efficient in HD range. I understand this is how milwakuee's 18v holds up against the 40v makita and 60v dewalt etc.
-The blade arbor is 20mm , so you can run bosch, makita, etc 6.5" blades on this unit - as long as it is the same kerf thickness as the riving knife. not necessarily proprietary
There are rumors, that festool will launch at the very latest next year a batterie version of theirs new ts 60.
All these track saws and so far kreg gas nailed it on making a right handers saw.
Thanks to this video, I will have more information on why I should buy the track saw when I explain it to my wife.
The 106" rail is too short for 4x8' plywood. Move up to the next length to be able to keep the saw foot on the track from start to finish.
What is this "cheap plywood" you're talking about? Lol!
Great, in-depth video! You nailed all the questions I would ask with detailed answers and demonstrations! Thank you!