Prominent Atheists Are Realising They Were WRONG.
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Jake, read Cornelius Van Til. Or at least look into Greg Bahnsen.
There is a typo in the title, It should be “they” not “the”.
Thanks for all your content!
The cosmic microwave background map show's order when there should be chaos = intelligent design
This is certainly not the case with Dr. Dawkins. What did you believe such an obvious and deliberate lie would gain you - more converts that haven't the capacity to think for themselves?
Hey, if you're in need of an education on the subject of God and The Bible, watch the 5-part series that the History Channel made called "The Bible". It is a wonderful series with very high production values. And you get to see The Bible actually acted out as well as narrated in certain parts where it is necessary. It REALLY does not shy away from showing the brutal parts either.
Great channel. One of my favorites on YT. You are only getting better at this, Jake. Keep up the hard work
Its funny to see how anything that is somewhat against Athesism, the athesist rage so hard. It clear how closely their pride is tied to the identity.
And you don’t think some Theists behave like this at the other end of the spectrum?
i bet if i made a crude remark about jesus and depicted god doing something anti-christian that i'd be burned at the stake (yes that was a witch trial joke). Its funny to see how religious people take the slightest hint that they may be on to a good thing and blow it all out of proportion. Its amazing how closely their religion is tied to their ego.
see i can also say things like that without a shred of proof
@Azraelable1 Hahahahahaha, so you've clearly never seen South Park, Family Guy, Robot Chicken ect. You tried though, and I admire the attempt
@richardhoulton4016 I totally do but I think the worst of the Christians are Zoomers who arnt online much, so Online the worst of the athesist are much more annoying as a community. Like my other reply was someone being completely triggered with a brain dead comeback. Athesit I believe are easier to troll online. My other reply proof to that.
To your point, it does annoy me when Chrisitans get worked up over demi Lovato and lil Nas devil stuff. It's clearly acts for attention and yet those elements of our community fall for it.
And it is clear that it takes the space of religion in their hearts. Atheism is a religion, and atheists respond not logically to criticism but emotionally.
I've been enjoying your videos so much. They're not only informative, but witty and thought provoking. Your sarcasm and passionate delivery is tastefully done whilst still conveying the deeper message. Thank you for all of your hard work in keeping us armed and dangerous 😊❤
I like to use words of Jordan Peterson: I do not know if there is a God, but I behave like there is. Not the exact quote, but incredibly liberating.
Still damming.
yeah but he pedals some quazi Christian doctrine without really declaring what he believes.
@@AlexanderCook87 He doesn't believe, not in the sense that seems to be used here. He has faith, if you'll permit the distinction, and if I understand him correctly.
I actually go by something else he said, which is similar... And not an exact quote "behave as though someone is watching you at all times"... Maybe not judging you, but you will judge you
Acting as there is a God, being good or bad depending upon which Hod. Aztecs murdered 20K people in one day, as I understand it, to please their god. So, if we are speaking about Jesus, IMO, a civilization would be a better one to live in if all act in accordance with His moral teaching. That said, He wasn't here to improve morals for the sake of society. But Paul called it;
“If from human motives I fought with wild beasts at Ephesus, what good is it to me? If the dead are not raised, LET’S EAT AND DRINK, FOR TOMORROW WE DIE.”
(1Corinthians 15:32, NASB20)
There is no point in denying your hedonistic pleasures if it is not in service to God.
That's hard to imagine a Christian saying, and Paul was a stellar example, to use humanistic terms, of what a Christian should be. When he denies the utilitarian aspect of good works, he doesn't do it lightly. Rather, he is making it clear that sacrifice is of no avail unless done as a loving service to Christ. So, good behavior certainly makes for better living conditions, in my opinion, but long term, they gain the human little. It may ease your conscience, but this life is short, and only serving Jesus has long term positive implications for humans. Good deeds done for reasons other than service to Jesus, are done under bad motives. That means that while they are not as bad as acting badly, it has a relatively small mitigating effect on God's wrath, and THAT should set one to trembling. The OT has over 200 fulfilled prophecies in it and zero misses. No person, book, nor anything else has such an amazing track record. The evidences for God are myriad, so no one of any intellect can say they had no way of knowing. Only those who put on the innocents of Jesus will escape unimaginable wrath for cosmic treason. Yet only those whom God foreknew are able to do so. In strictly humanistic terms, this seems unfair. Theologically speaking, none deserve mercy, so that any are saved is amazing. The point though is this, only belief in the true Christ can remedy the pain of failure. Failure to life up to the standard you inherently know that you are not living up to. That is because only salvation can bring you peace. Only then can you know that you'll ever improve, and when you do stumble, it was forgiven before you did it. Some will lie to themselves and continue in sin with a false sense of security, but believers become ever more keenly aware of their self deception and reject it. Most will likely never reach a point where they become a glowing example, but they will be far better than they would have been without salvation in this life, and are promised to be made perfect in the next one.
I was a pagan (so cool, obviously) and found all those practices to be so empty - pouring out my best intentions to receive silence in return. Turning to Jesus was massively different; after years of wishing/actively trying for spiritual connection, Jesus hit me like a lightning strike.
My prayers and wishes were suddenly answered, my life became increasingly positive and peaceful.
It’s a true change, and I heard people speak like this before I knew the power of the Holy Spirit and thought it was brainwashing! He’s so real, and so easy to experience for yourself! You just have to be willing. Jesus loves you more than you could ever know. ❤
God bless your soul
Atheism is not a belief system. Claiming it to be is a fundamental misunderstanding of the word
bro this place is circlejerk of religious people talking about "my religion is the religion of truth" 😂 don't waste your fingers energy not worth saving these sheeps.
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Atheism is a belief, agnostism is the cerebral acknowledgement of a lack of proof for either side of the debate
Atheism is a belief there is certainly no God. No matter what occurs, an atheist BELIEVES there is no God. Just like a Christian, no matter what happens a Christian BELIEVES there is a God. Agnostism is a belief that one cannot tell either way. A belief system can be simply defined as an ideology. It doesn't have to be remotely spiritual or defined with ritual.
@5050TM Weak argument as it's as relevant as your belief that there are certainly no Smurfs. Biblical God is just a non factor to be dismissed as easily as you would dismiss the Indian Hindu cow God for example, completely irrelevant to the real world and reality.
Knowledge and belief are two separate things.
- Theism is the belief in a god
- Atheism is the rejection of that belief
- Gnostic refers to having knowledge of
- Agnostic refers to not having knowledge of
Therefore you can be an Agnostic Atheist. Someone who rejects the proposed belief and ALSO doesn't know for sure.
Thank you. I was hoping someone caught that.
Though it sounds really smart, your conclusion is really just atheism.
No, atheism means you don't believe in God or lack of belief. You are just making things up. You can't be an agnostic atheist. Either you admit you don't know (you're agnostic), or you act like you know every corner of the universe (an atheist). Make a choice.
@@anaxmalakas An atheist is simply an A-theist. It's that simple. There shouldn't even be a word for it. I don't believe in astrology either, though that doesn't mean I have to explain to everyone I'm an a-astrologist. Neither have I ever hear some idiot proclaim that an a-astrologist is someone who thinks they know everything.
@@Vince01websters literally defines athiesm as the belief god doesnt exist.
Richard Dawkins answered a question famously when asked if he believes in God, he replied with "which God". The point being is whenever anyone talks about God, they are referring to their own God, so that ultimately depends on who is asked, discounting polytheistic religions of course. Ricky Gervais said we are all atheists, and noted that he dis-believes in 1 more God than what you do.
I have a variant of this which I learned from my mother many decades ago, namely, "tell me what you mean by God and I will tell you if I believe in it". This also addresses the confusion between deism and theism that many believers want people to make.
Ricky Gervais also joked about running down little old ladies so he could be first in line for the jab. I want to like him because we are related on our French Canadian sides but mostly I now just ignore him.
I am an atheist. I have not substituted some other thing as a religion in my life. I don't have hedonistic values. I just simply don't believe in God. I think the problem is that we have a world full of people who have no discipline, no empathy for fellow humans, and a lot of selfish people. Christianity provides some antidotes or guardrails if you will. But I don't think a decent evolved person requires the threat of damnation to behave themselves and comport themselves in a manner that is beneficial to both themselves and others. I suppose most Christians would say you can't have morals if you don't believe in God, But I would argue that you absolutely can. I believe Christianity just holds basic human truths as far as how you should behave that were universal whether you believing God or not. It's just easier if you don't believe in hell to act like an asshole.
George Carlin reduced the 10 commandments to only three but all can easily be reduced to just one: Don't be an asshole.
Why would you need Christianity to give you as an individual morality when Christianity already gave your culture morality? I believe in God. But I also know most who don't owe their own morality to a God they've decided to discard. The Bible will help anyone no matter what they believe in. My issue is that atheists rarely admit this and instead say people would've "figured it out." No. They are not "basic human truths" or there would never be commandments. Moses would have simply said, go be human.
@@5050TM That's assuming there was a Moses... I don't put much stock in those commandments. Well I mean the first five of them. The first five seemed to deal with your relationship with God. The other five seems to be universal true that's with how you should treat others. And the reason that you should treat others that way is because that's how you would want to be treated.
But who's to say being selfish is wrong without God. Without God it's just your opinion. Sure it's a popular opinion, but that's all it is. Your morality is kind of borrowed from Christianity. If Hitler won and convinced everyone killing Jews was good, then that would be the new standard of morality. Sure it's a fake alternative reality but it logically holds.
You say we don't need a threat of eternal punishment, but your latter is the justice system, can you try and guess where that was derived from?, no matter what you think there's a reason why you have to threaten tge human species with violence,being locked up like a dog or death as punishment for not adhering to the rules that can quite literally be summed up in the ten commandments.
So many people taking what Dawkins said totally out of context and putting words in his mouth. He never said he's no longer an atheist. And just because he says Christianity is better for society over Islam, does not mean, therefore, Christianity is now true. And just because something may have a good effect for society, doesn't mean that it is true. Christians doing what they always do and reach in a desperate attempt to affirm what they wish were true because it's what they want to believe.
I hear what your saying and I can understand why you feel that way. Why do you think the tenets of Christianity are better for society? When you really get into Christianity everyday you will find a peace that you've probably never known. Also, you will find that the "hole in your chest" that we are always trying to fill disappears, you feel more complete. Ever wonder why when people get older and wiser more often than not get more involved with Christianity? Why is there so much proof of Jesus? Just His crucifixion can't be medically explained. When it comes down to you either have faith or you don't. Faith.
@@traceshea1103what makes you believe that because someone doesn't follow a religion (in your case specifically christianity) they must have a hole in their chest that needs filling? 🤷♂️ I'd argue you chose to fill yours with something because you can't think for yourself and need to have something to "follow" to feel fulfilled!
Older people tend to already have some religious belief anyway! They were all force fed it through school. Anyone looking that way when they head toward death is hoping there is something after life and it isn't just the end! As for the proof of Jesus etc. What proof exactly?
I think the problem is everyone is confusing Dawkins saying he believes christianity is good for society as him saying he's a closest christian..when from what he said it sounds like he just agrees that Christmas, Easter etc are good things to keep alive.
I agree..I'm atheist but more than happy to celebrate both (plus they have no actual religious fact connected to them)
@@traceshea1103 He didn't say "Christianity is better for society" but "Christianity is better for society over Islam" but of course y'all love using the talent of "cherry picking" in literally every single thing including youtube comments. The mere fact that Jesus was a real man doesn't make the bible true. If anything it just makes it sad, the fact that they brutally killed a mentally unwell man is not a cause for celebration. And the same people that celebrated his death saying he's gonna rise again and feed his fans wine developed a kink of burning women for curing people of diseases. So HELL NO! christinaity 1.0 is just a vile as islam. Even the updated 2.0 version isn't much better.
@ashleyorme6161 I don't even know Dawkins so that has nothing to do with anything I'm saying. Everyone I've ever known has always felt incomplete and that's the hole I'm talking about. People try to fill it with all kinds of things, usually other people and that never lasts. You know I never went to insulting you saying you can't think on your own. I have gone through phases of unbelief and had to look into myself. May I ask, why didn't you address what I said about the proof of Jesus or His crucifixion? Have you even taken the time to watch "A Case For Christ"? You know, you mention that I have the need to follow something feel fulfilled. I've never had that my whole life. I never had heroes or anyone I wanted to be just like them. I didn't need them. I was a very happy kid and I had a very happy childhood. Also, I'm an identical twin and if you're not one you probably can't fully understand what I'm saying with that. I haver never felt the need to leave progeny behind, a need to live on in some fashion. Ever. I myself don't fully understand that need. I don't feel a need to have to go on. Anyway, how much actual research have you done? Why do you feel the need to attack people who believe? I didn't attack you or feel the need to put you down. Despite all this I hope you have a blessed day and that things go well for you today.
Honestly, I'm seeing way seething from the athesist in this comment section
Satan rules the earth. God will return and end all this evil. Christ is King!
To believe in the Abrahamic God you must accept that we are all directly related to Adam & Eve. How probable is that?
Not only is it probable but a certainty 😢
@@cameronhesketh6814far more probable than every single literal thing you know in existence came from nothing all by chance.
If Satan rules the Earth and God is almighty and all knowing then isn't this his fault?
See, this is the right wing cult nonsense we're going to end up with if we allow the pendulum to swing too far from the leftist cult. We all need to remain reasonable and reject both of these cults. One being wrong doesn't make the other one right....
25:07 not necessarily, Atheism is not a positive claim in itself like Gnosticism is. Thats why "agnostic atheist" makes sense, because its someone who doesnt know if a god exists (agnostic), and simultaneously is without religion or god (atheism). Someone who makes the positive claim god does not exist is a "gnostic atheist".
Well the etymology itself bears that out. A-Theist, a being a prefix related to negation or an absence of something. Atheists are without belief in a deity, anti-theists are the one's claiming there is no god. It's just most people today are idiots, you see this same issue with ASOCIAL and ANTISOCIAL. People who are called antisocial are asocial, someone who is antisocial would be psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcissists.
What would the point of free will and choice if God showed himself? Also in the Bible when God did show himself, people still acted against his will.
Your two points contradict each other.
No it doesnt, it proves your free will is real. @@JessTarn
@@Bradawick Yes it does, it states in the second point that even when God showed himself people acted against his will. So they still have free will even if God shows himself. Then back to the first point that says what would be the point f free will if God showed himself.
@@JessTarnoh i misread that. Its a common argument but normally its "what would be the point if god forced you". Yes he contradicted himself but thats not the argument people usually use for free will. My mistake.
@@Bradawick I am not a fan of determinist paradigms personally. I feel they are disempowering. To say for example everything happens for a reason and not in a cause and effect way but more a mystical fate way takes away from one being able to change and have if not control at least an effect on the out come of their life. It is funny to me how many people who fight for empowerment hold deterministic pov and dont realize this.
Excellent content Jake Rattlesnake! Your channel deserves the growth it’s experiencing. Keep up
The great work
You are a gift to You Tube and to all who follow your channel, Jake.
Absolutely nothing about Dawkins saying he's a cultural Christian is him realizing he's wrong. he just recognizes Christianity is among the best religions that exists in modern times. He's not wrong. I don't believe in any way but I also recognize Christianity evolved with the times while others stuck it out and are quite happy in their rigidity and bigotry. I respect Christ like Christians whether I agree with them or not. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Agree 100%
As a Christian I completely agree with you vis-a-vis what Dawkins said. Jake’s take here seems a little misleading. On Dawkins re WLC, Dawkins he gets no respect. His position on WLC is childish
Recognizing that there are good teachings and cultural practices in a religion, is not endorsing that religion in its entirety. I think it is stupid to do that. It is recognizing there is bad and good things in religion and its beliefs whichever it is. Religious People don't like that though because they like to think their beliefs are perfect like what we see with woke western ideology. They are both not by a looooong shot.
I agree. This is also not news. Dawkins has almost certainly been a cultural Christian for all his life, and has described himself as such for years.
@@plakey2001 Re Dawkins and WLC, I thought so too, but then I watched Alex's interview with WLC. Did you watch it?
God bless you man. We do need Jesus more than any other time in history. Thanks for your hard work making these videos!
No we don't, Christianity is myth
Excellent closing statement there. Very well said.
“I’m not religious but I walk with Christians” - Tom MacDonald
"If Jesus died for all my sins, he'd need a million crosses tall as buildings."
I seem to be in the same place as Douglas Murray. All my beliefs and morals clearly come from Christianity. I went to Christian schools. But I've never believed in God. I've always had trouble accepting the more... supernatural(?) facets of religion, but lately I've been listening a lot to Jake, Andrew Wilson, Michael Knowles to name a few, and always come out agreeing with the majority of what they say. And I think the evidence is there for all to see what a Godless society has done to our culture. I still don't know how to reconcile those two beliefs. I can't see myself being a true believer, but I recognise what not believing and practicing Christianity does. Hmmf...
You don't think if Christianity had never existed that we wouldn't have figured out that being decent human beings was a good idea?! Since when did we get on board with the idea that Christianity invented morals lol
Forget those guys and get into real geniuses like Krishnamurti Terence Mckenna and Osho.
NdeGT thinks he's a big thinker... but his philosophy of ethics isnt beyond most teenagers
He is a big thinker.
@@dickgrayson4325not on ethics.
An excellent video and analysis, Mr Julius! (That was my mother's maiden name, by the way.). I will watch it again.
Yes Douglas. Agnostic is a much better label. One doesn’t necessarily believe but at the same time doesn’t dis-believe.
The clip you shared as proof that WLC would “dismantle” RD’s worldview is entirely made up of ad hominem attacks, not once arguing any positions. Hardly “dismantling” 😂
If you want to see a dismantling, watch Alex O'Connor interviewing WLC :)
I'm sure Dawkins appreciates you coming to his defense.
I wonder if @rattlesnaketv has seen the clip of WLC stating that he holds other religions to a higher standard than he does for Christianity.
_"Far from raising the bar or the epistemic standard that Christianity must meet to be believed, I lower it. I think that this is a message which is so wonderful"_
I think Richard Dawkins point is he is a fan of culture and art and not necessarily the thinking behind it
So his basis is illusory
Kind of like, i want to have tons of sex, but none of the responsibility it comes with.
Literal depravity
You can't have what he's describing without actual believers.
Yeah I love how he says he likes Western (hence Christian) culture more than say Islamic or Hindu culture and the zealots try to blow it up into something its not. Where were they 10 years ago when he first made this claim?
Wow, great video!❤
Man I just came across rattlesnake tv few days ago after watching Kirk n I’m hooked on being ARMED N DANGEROUS 😂
Dawkins always said he was a cultural Christian. This is nothing new.
Yeah... it's still a stupid take. Everything he mentions... you need Christians to continue that culture, otherwise it will die.
Yes he has. I agree with Richard on most of his views. Just because christianity may have brought some good cultural and societal things in countries with this faith, it's still not evidence god exists and I imagine it's even harder for a evolutionay biologist to have blind faith when it's so contradictory to your lifes work. There could have been a total different religion centries ago that still produced beautiful works of art, brought communities together(especially without technology) it just happens christianity was one nearest to our times and of it's time really. Things have changed a lot in the world with technology. There's always some negatives that come with the positives in any religion, even if the new age religions are worse. There has always being dark triad personalities attached to any religions and christianity is not different. There been a lot of priests and nuns throughout the years that have done very bad things. ireland is a prime example. I don't think it's just a matter of people losing christianity.. the epidemic of narcissism in modern civilization and modern society has come about for a whole host of reasons that have nothing to do with if you are christian or not. Also a lot of homosexuals stopped being christians because they felt aspects of it was at odds with their sexuality, not because of people like Richard Dawkins. I know many good conservative athiests, some of them featured in this video. Ricky Gervais is one of the most down to earth genuine guys on tv in my opinion and brought up in a good family.
I'd love to see this channel have Richard on for a discussion :) I'm subscribed to his youtube channel and always enjoy his talks.
no he was not tf 😂
@@jurassicthunder yes he was. Nice discussion
@@jurassicthunder - Guess you missed the video from an entire decade ago where he mentions his cultural Christianity.
I don't have enough knowledge to affirm God doesn't exist and not enough faith to believe he does.
Start with a little faith, get into the word and God will prove it to you on his own. To me Christianity is almost like trying to look through privacy glass. You only see the reality of it from the inside.
Welcome to the club.
Beautiful... more vids like this would be welcomed
Thanks for this.
God bless RattlesnakeTV! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I was with you (not agreeing but following) until the end. "As an atheist, you have to believe that life just poofed into existence out of nothing." No bro. First, you have to explain "nothing". Nobody has made that claim and you know it. Or... should know it. I won't lecture you about evolution but re-think your statement. Further, the claim that things aren't "poofing" into existence all the time is ignorant. #1, we have evidence that things "poof" into existence here on Earth. Evolution. #2, given the amount of the galaxy that we have explored, don't you think it's a bit premature to just declare that life isn't "poofing" into existence all over? How are you allowed to declare that life hasn't evolved in other places when you haven't even explored .00001% of the other places? What will happen if/when we find life somewhere else? You'll resort to just claiming god did that too? Still.. with no evidence? Then, you'll have to explain the whole "image of god" thing too.
We all know nothing is absense of everything and anything. No matter, no energy and no antimatter, no particles. With absense of everything nothing can be made or come to existence.
Great video dude!
Niel should look into how people worshipped these things like volcanos. They respect their power cause they understand that they pave the way for life. All these storms are necessary, you would think Niel would understand this.
It's what Peterson would call "pseudomoral". It started with the Renaissance and Humanism which argued that Humans are more important than creation.
I'm a Humanist, but even I know all these things serve a function: keeping us humble and in check morally, keeping us down numerically. Both of these serve the function of ensuring our survival.
Jesus Jake, you are great entertainment, collecting debates, etc. You can skillfully critique the wokes so forth, but when it comes to religion, you are wealding your own dogma proudly like any SJW would weald theirs. And here I always thought 'Rattlesnk' was about your herritage from Austraila or libetarianism? Not that it was for snakeoil sales like a "christian apologist" trying to argue for a god using every trick in the book of falsious arguments, starting with your false clickbait title. Do better, please. Sorry for my bad English.
Exactly. He's building straw men like a good wokeist would. Not to mention the horrible, historicaly inaccurate pile of shit he dumped at the end.
Sad @@user-vt4hd8hb4v
Exactly mate. Look up my comment and give it a like too. Great minds think alike.
It's pretty confirming that you make this video that reflects my own thoughts about how those that I listen to, I am watching in real time God knocking on their door.
I just wanted to say, i love you, brother. God bless you, please.
I consider myself agnostic but often think about something Tate said, and im paraphrasing 'for there to be so much evil in the world, satan must exist and therefore, there must be a god'
That wasn't tates originally....
George Clooney in 'from dusk till dawn' said it 😊
You could also argue that if there's a Satan there cannot be a god? 🤷♂️ (which god?)
While that sounds good as a quote, it fails at basic logic.
@@ashleyorme6161 Could you expand on that argument? Make the case for this statement, as I am not seeing how that could be logically deduced.
Read his books. This is not truthful in title. Intentionally deceptive. Dont become what you hate Jake.
No need to read the books, the title of "The God Delusion" is the book equivalent of the same type of click bait.
He has qualified his stance. He believes in Christian values and lives by them. His belief is a form of religion, guiding his actions in life.
I can say as somebody that resented God for most of my life. I was out walking one Sunday morning and saw a church my by house. I don’t know what came over me but I had such an intense feeling of getting back into faith. Sundays are always my free day. Well, with all that said, I have found such kind and caring people, everybody there for a similar reason. Amazing people
Usually when you have contempt for someone, you want to debate them and prove them wrong and show anyone watching, how right you are. He is scared and knows his logic doesn’t hold up
To recognize that you live in and are culturally accustomd to a world that was shaped by the hegemony and resource-hogging of wealth and of the arts of a religion that literally had a hold on government and could decide on your life or death - does not give intellectual creedance to said religion's nonsensical ideology. Get it together man...
Totally agree. And Richard Dawkins has been a cultural Christian all his life, and said so many times before. This is not news.
I agree with the lads in the video, I don't believe in god but I do believe christian values are good and loving. I hope god exists, but I'm not convinced he does. Please convince me guys
I can't convince you he doesn't exist. Take heart in that.
Believe in God or else....
I don't think anyone should need convincing. You either feel it or you don't.
Atheists couldn't convince me that God doesn't exist. Had many discussions, and none of them were convincing.
Even with science, they can not be convincing. I have a degree in biology/ chemistry. The whole theory of the big bang is based on coincidence. If just 1 molecule was more or less (doesn't matter which one), the whole world would be different.
When I work with chemicals, there's a specific amount of whatever chemical/component etc. to get what you want. So I was in control. There's no discussion of the result being based on coincidence. Why can't atheists even see or admit that, yes the big bang could have happened BUT with a source of great knowledge (God) that controlled it all to get this result of the world.
I much rather believe that than believing we are all here based on coincidence.
I have never seen science as the opposite of God. I have always seen science as explaining how God created all these things/beings in the world. It's so complicated that we still don't understand it for a 100%.
Start by studying the life and death of Jesus from a historical perspective, and how flimsy all the theories are that attempt to explain his resurrection, how he appeared to hundreds of people, many of which willingly allowed themselves to be martyred in horrific ways because they were so convinced that he was God incarnate. The most popular explanation among non-Christian historians is, seriously, they were experiencing mass hallucinations/delusions. Assuming Jesus existed and was who he said he was, and indeed, died and was resurrected... well, I personally can't really find better evidence than that.
Beyond that, many are persuaded by apologetics and arguments that appeal to reason. These are easy to find online and on UA-cam.
I do hope you find God, friend. Once you truly believe, it's as if a veil is lifted, and you feel silly that you ever doubted in the first place!
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The chickens had me
I dont feel you can be wrong as an Atheist, its not a belief, its just the lack of one.
There are different kinds of people that hide their arseholeness behind being an atheist.
We were all (most UK natives) brought up with catholic values, taught the morals of Christianity.
But by default if you dont believe in a God you're infact Atheist.
I love the history of Christianity, I love the beauty of most religions...i dont believe in God though.
Its like appreciating mythology, wether it be Greek, Nordic, Roman, Egyptian. You dont need to believe in it to appreciate its effect. JMO
No, it's a belief. It's an expressed certainty that can't be proved. People still using this old argument is just funny.
Then you will die with nothing. May Jesus Save you.
Lots of atheists don't believe in God but still practice and benefit directly from the ideas of christianity without realising.
@@briankgarlandWrong. It's a lack of belief. Bald is not a hair colour. Off is not a TV channel. Atheism is not a belief that there is no god, it's that we're not convinced by the claims for one.
@@myzamau428 No, that would make you agnostic. An atheist BELIEVES there is no God, independent of whether or not they've met someone with the ability to convince them otherwise.
The more you search for truth, the more Christianity becomes a plausibility
You must, truly understand Free Will and the accountability of human beings, to get an understanding of why, GOD doesn't reveal, HIMSELF to us, the way, most of us, want him to reveal, HIMSELF, to us🤔.
Religion might be seen to be more and more necessary for a healthy society... it doesn't make it any more true.
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Some people say they are atheists because they say religions have caused a serious of inhuman horrors through human history. But what they don’t realize is that atheism as also done a series of inhuman horrors. If you look at the past history of communist leaders like Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong, those guys were extremely brutal dictators who persecuted, tortured, and killed a total of 800 million religious lives. Even the government of North Korea will punish anyone reading the Bible.
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yeah yeah the truth 😂😂
I appreciate alex conner asking follow up questions of people he agress with
I really appreciate the way you talk about this and I'm happy to hear something I disagree with from you. Assuming (if you don't mind) that I've made a genuine effort to see the side of theists, is there at all an implication that I should be inauthentic in my claims of feeling the Lord? Thank you to anyone who responds. 🤟🏻
So we're back to the the question from the young lady who asked..."what if you're wrong?"
What if you're wrong? What if the Hindus are right? What if the Mormons are right? What if the Muslims are right? What if the astrozorians are right? Pascals wager was debunked eons ago, but you brainlets keep pulling that out as if it means something.
Would a benevolent god not forgive someone who came to the incorrect conclusion honestly?
@@GeoffJRC I think thomasmassey322 wrote that during a face-palm. I'm face-palming too, just reading the title of this video. It's painful to see such a rational thinker giving the existence of a god actual fucking thought. I have an invisible hamster on my shoulder. If you can't disprove that, you better believe it.
@@Vince01 Thomas pulled the Pascal’s Wager card, the logic of which implies that the belief system one should follow is the belief system with the harshest afterlife punishment of nonbelievers.. regardless of **the substance of the belief itself.**
@@GeoffJRC I'm aware of that. It's an infantile idea that proves nothing and only distracts from the question if god exists. It's the "What if you're wrong" question the kid asked Richard Dawkins years ago, which she probably regrets to this day.
A choice between woke atheism+ and cultural Christianity is no choice at all.
I'm an Atheist and absolutely can't stand woke. Don't try to lump us into one group. The only thing we share is a lack of belief in a god.
Beautiful, as usual!!!!
I agree with you politically, this topic, however, I’m not so sure. I hope I’m wrong though.
The comment about anyone dismantling Dawkins world view with easy, is petty and rather foolish.
From this statement I can tell you that you are petty and foolish. You cant argue his points because they are grounded in scientific facts not emotions like yours. Hard to argue against a process that allows you to communicate with people worldwide while the best yours can offer is fake demon exorcisms in churches to get money. GTFOH!
Jake, you're conflating what is true with what is necessary for a healthy society.
You can't have what is necessary without people believing in that truth, so.....
They aren't incompatible. You are promoting a false dilemma.
@@anaxmalakas "that truth" doesn't have to be any of the faiths currently described/prescribed in particular.
@@EireAbuI'm literally calling out Jake's "false dilemma". I didn't make one.
30:47 I agree completely. Been trying to tell everyone around me. The great awakening is being propelled forward. This eclipse helped many wake up that we’re here to enjoy the ride through the cosmos just like the other planets.
As much as I'm not a fan of religion I often wonder if it's the reason humanity got this far in the first place. Religion is the ultimate carrot and stick, be good and get to spend eternity with your friends and family, be bad and burn in hell forever. I think it's absurd but I would never want to take it away from most people. If it makes you feel better about life then I'm all for it. It's the militant ones that try to do bad things and hide behind religion that I cant stand.
Yes i agree. I sometimes wish I was religious because it makes life easier to deal with as it simplifies purpose.
I actually got into Christianity after being a life long atheist, from an atheist family, from looking more into science and realising just how little they actually know, and what they do know, hints at a higher power
You're delusional
The best video you've ever done. Thank you sir!
Spot on!
You're completely wrong on this one. Dawkins hasn't changed his position.
Saying you have to be Christian to appreciate the cultural works of Christians is wrong and rather childish. Must I be a Buddhist to see or appreciate the beauty in Angkor Wat? Of course not.
When I visited Batu Cave in Malaysia I didn't need to subscribe to Hinduism to appreciate it.
Yes, you must be a Christian before you can APPROPRIATE the benefits of Christianity....else you are simply a thief.
Totally agree. Dawkins has been saying this for years - no surprise there.
Its foolish to believe in the creations and accoutrements of christianity while also spending your life trying to tear down the very thing that created them, namely faith and actual belief in the reality of these things and the appropriate practical spiritual and moral life that follows from that, without which you wouldnt have any of the external aesthetic christian artifacts that he values to begin with
@@user-uc3qg3pq4w But of course he didn't spend his life trying to destroy Christianity. Only zealots take any and all critics to be enemies. Again... he has not changed his position.
You're arguing semantics regarding the definition of atheism. Regardless of that, the points that Ricky was making were 100% logical and explained brilliantly. I, by no means, denounce religion. It's simply a belief system that originated from the beginning of time where the human race was trying to find answers for everything that was occurring around them, much of which would be considered easily understood today. It was happening all over the world and the core reason why there are so many different gods and beliefs was due to geography. I'm not saying there is NOT a god, but we simply don't know and the current beliefs today stem from man-made stories that may have been "logical" back then, but would be silly today. One of Ricky's best points during that interview was about what would happen if all the beliefs were thrown out and humans had to start over...the stories, beliefs, religions...would all be different.
Religion today is not what it was thousands of years ago.
Today, some Christians view Yoga as satanic, but if they had incorporated it earlier, it would have potentially deepened their Christian beliefs and improved their understanding of Christianity.
If you truly believe in God, or even the concept of God you have to believe that would never happen for the simple reason that God wouldn't allow that to happen. The basis of Christianity is faith and the belief in a soul. If you believe in a soul, where does it go when we die?
You can’t throw out all of history and start new and expect something different. You will only repeat the mistakes of the past. Funny how people think they are getting smarter as the centuries pass but still can’t explain the basics of our universe without a higher power, a God, a creator. Can’t claim a moral absolute without a source. People are still trying, though.
Not a thing you posted even meets common sense Merit. You made it up. As there is no reason for Humans to even come up with them. Much less the Laws the Hebrew Bible mentions..
So if you're going to repeat some other simple minded person. You need to sharpen your pencils. And explain in detail why you Believe it..
It's a shame you know little about religion. You don't even know about Babylon the Great. I suggest you educate yourself before commenting on things you know very little about.
He appreciated the architechture thats all.
I just have to say, I came across your content not too long ago. But ever since I have been captivated and intrigued 🤔 and it just keeps getting better . Amen 🙏🏼 to this one for sure!
"I'm getting older, coming to terms with my mortality, have been spanked over and over again by wise Christians, what am I to do? I know, I 'll admit I was wrong without admitting I was wrong, saving me from complete humiliation while, hopefully, preserving my chances for an afterlife not filled with flames. Yeah, that should work."
There are cultural Jews, cultural Buddhists, cultural Native American. That does not mean that they are true. I would be sad if cathedrals, pyramids, temples etc. of all religions would be destroyed. That is human history!
Yo Jake, when he dropped the hammer on him, he let it flow boy what an intellectual beat down that I had in it that was a highly intellectual conversation that you used his words and use them well they were like daggers, my gosh, me and the guy didn’t even really have to raise his voice at all. I just changed his insulation in that, and then the other man was just cowering in his chair because he was a beta.
praise to the elusive cosmic mage 🙏 PREACH!
This position is truly depressing.
And for the record - William Lane Craig is snake oil salesman of the worst order. A truly disingenuous man.
Oh, and by the way - the very idea that Hitchens would be captured by the religious affliction were he alive today is almost as offensive as it is fucking absurd.
Almost.
Great Great Video!!!!!
This is hard, because I'm right there with Dawkins. I am an atheist but fully admit that without religion, most people turn into creeps and degenerates. If you don't believe in God, but also don't like society without God, what the heck do you do??? LOL
That's a tricky place to be in fr. No cap. Im Christian but I imagine that tough.
I'm right with you man. Most atheists from the new atheist movement are now woke morons. They just replaced one belief with another.
Omg his ego won’t let him convert. If this dude converts, he could make an impact. Lots of his followers would convert.
Being an atheist brings so much peace.
One can accept the good lessons within the Bible without needing to justify the atrocities as being GOOD.
It doesn’t bother me anymore that the Gospels, the BEST EVIDENCE for the miracles of Jesus are anonymous, third-hand accounts written decades after the crucifixion or that they contradict each other.
It’s freeing.
32 year recovering athiest here. I use to think like that, you feel that way with scripture because you are created in Gods image. Also there are no contradictions, unless you take things out of context.
In 100 years that's all that there will be attesting your existence. Did you then actually exist?
Atrocities? You mean justice delivered onto evil.
The ressurection is real and no the accounts were from back then, just retold over and over. Even if there are contradictions, we can find the same in historic texts.
We simply look at the common denominator (the ressurection took place) and so we correctly assume that common denominator is correct. Same process applied in history.
There is no peace in being "free", for that freedom is a false one. You are a s l a v e to vice regardless of whether you want to or not.
The "freedom" you feel is simply a rejection of the feelings of guilt associated with such a position.
I used to be the same. I don't wish to be in the dark, to feel like this. *Never. Again!*
@@Wendeta-hq2cp _The ressurection is real_
What would you say to a Muslim who states that Muhammad splitting the moon was real?
@@jonk9293 I don't doubt that an apocalyptic preacher named Yeshua existed and was crucified by the Romans.
Do you believe Alexander the Great (the person) existed in history? If yes, do you also believe the writings that state Alexander was the son of Zeus?
If not, why do you differentiate the two?
I still reject the existence of an unproven god. Dawkins is right: we live in a country where that culture is part of our history
I'm putting the fact im a practicing Christian to the side and just thinking of what the bible teaches. It's big on forgiveness and love. Being a good neighbor and give without expecting a return. My life has gotten better since i put my faith in Jesus!!!
25:27
"The task of properly relating science to transcendental knowledge is a great and holy task"
I don't need a book re-written several times in completely different ways to guide my morals. It is instinctive to me. I know how to be a good person and what is right/wrong. Religion creating war is still one of the biggest set backs to societies. I enjoy the good morals that the bible can teach and the best people can be formulated from it's upbringings. Maybe one day we can move on from this like the people who believed the earth was flat.
‘Instinctive’ also means ‘subjective’ ie your morals are simply your preferences, and if others disagree and decide to trample your morals, all you can say is ‘that sucks’ - you can’t appeal to any objective justice or standard
^what he said!
Having subjective morals is equivalent to no morals. You have 100 people making up their own morals and you have 100 different ideas of right and wrong.
Jesus followers believe in objective morality. There is only ONE right or wrong and we can all live by it.
The chaos of people making up their own ideas of right and wrong is how wars start. Hitler thought he was doing what was right, in your worldview you have no argument against it except your personal opinions.
@joelvonthrum8658 Instinctive doesn't mean subjective or have to be subjective, especially in nature. Ask the shark. Your correct on preferences, but every religion gets trampled on. Religion is a hard topic to discuss. Your inference on objective justice tells me you are certain that you understand religion.
@@joelvonthrum8658 - Ah the old 'Objective Morals' claim. Weaksauce. Hate to break it to you, morals are subjective. If you objectively based your morals on the Bible you would still own slaves, commit genocide, rape women, and stone to death adulterers, disrespectful children, and people who work on the Sabbath.
@@disngager instinctive becomes subjective when you can choose. Objective morality is real. Yes - certain Christianity is true.
If you don't start each day with God as your guide. You will ultimately be letting the devil control your life. And do things and allow demons to dictate your habits. Once you except evil, the devil can get you to do almost anything and try to keep you convinced it's a good thing. Don't be tricked people educate yourself on God's truth, it's not hard to understand if you don't let yourself get in the way.
Well done.
Jake, I can't express how happy I am that you escaped that dark place of atheism you were in.
Oh god, shaking my head at the irony of attempting to undermine the legacy of the grandfathers of atheism, in a video with a title so poorly worded.
Yep, especially with a title that says “The were WRONG” 🤦♂️
I usually like this guy but atheism is nothing more than a non belief.
yeh im with you
You have to justify your world view. Atheists aren’t just magically immune to this burden. Under a materialistic, atheistic worldview, you have no way to justify a single position you hold.
@rhuttner12 You are just as much an atheist to the thousands of other existing God's in peoples heads. Which one or ones did you choose? If you are Indian maybe the Hindu gods? Or maybe you were born in the US so maybe the one in the bible story. Depending on where your Mum gave birth geographically will increase the liklihood of your chosen fairytale.
saying that God doesn’t exist is actually a belief.
@@tru_hart Saying a Smurf doesn't exist is too then I guess
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Love you, Jake! Praying for you my brother! It's very natural to struggle with the faith of being selfless and "[loving] your enemies"; I struggle myself. But God highly values faith (1 Peter 1:7), and Jesus vanquished sin by dying an unjust death (1 Peter 2:18-25, Philippians 2:3-11). Continue to confess and to pray that God would mold you into his selfless image, and you will be like "a city on a hill."
As the hymn goes,
"Lead on, O King eternal,
till sin's fierce war shall cease,
and holiness shall whisper
the sweet amen of peace.
For not with swords' loud clashing
or roll of stirring drums---
with deeds of love and mercy
the heavenly kingdom comes."
I hate it when content creators I like totally miss the mark. Even better when they want to lay all of the world's issues at the feet of atheists, while simultaneously claiming Christian persecution but conveniently overlook that for all of modern history Christianity has been the overwhelming majority in the West, and that if you want to ever be elected to any office you must be some sort of believer. To the privileged, equality looks like oppression.
Trying to watch this video is frustrating with all the misrepresentation and bad speculation in it. And it's always Christians claiming that the Bible is taken out of context, but here you are killing it...
Sad, sad, sad..
@@michellescholz3016 - Sad would describe your response, since not only do you not affirm or refute anything I said, you don't even provide context as to what is 'sad'. Is it sad that I don't agree with his assertions? Is it sad that he made such bad assertions in the first place? Is it sad that I don't buy into the whole religious delusion? Is it sad that Christians, while being the vast majority of the population, still play the victim? Is it sad that I called Christians out on it? What exactly is sad, sad, sad?
I love your content Jake, but your analysis of Richard Dawkins and the New Atheism movement is ridiculous.
It's actually terrifying that a religious ideology could have a hold on someone as sharp (or so I thought) as Jake...
I think Jake is actually so desperate to become American for fame and money that he realises he would be more popular there if he was a Christian. He's changing, not for the better and becoming less and less impartial
@@notonyournelly6972 that's a good point. A zealot at worst, a sell-out at best, I suppose...
Indeed.
of course you would think that, you're probably a biased atheist. The new atheism movement is ridiculous
This is such a great video. Thank you.
I’m agnostic and will say this- the new atheist movement aged as poorly as the many other criticisms of traditional world values. In a state of surplus and stability these various movements are intriguing and seemed important, but the world has declined in such a way that they just seem small and trivial at the moment.
Ricky Gervais put it the best in terms of what an atheist is.
No fat.
No padding.
Just straight up: "prove it, or I don't believe you"
Simple.
answer me this. Why is murder wrong?
@@TheCristianalvarez murder is a legal term. The act of Killing is not necessarily wrong. If someone attacks you and you kill them are you wrong for doing so or should you allow yourself to be attacked?
@@moffat5914 So is legality or morality purely subjective?
@@TheCristianalvarez indeed. Another question is why is rape wrong? If evolution is survival of the fittest then I ought to spread my seed abundantly. Evolution does not provide any moral framework, we are all animals and here by chance.
@@moffat5914
The person starting the violence is wrong in the first place. Your implied assumption in this scenario is already wrong. Both people doing the violence are wrong. Not just he who begins or he who answers.
Also murder is not just a legal term. It's in the original version of the Bible.
"You shall not k ill." is actually "You shall not murder."
Nobody has ever provided any evidence for the existence of any Deity, God or whatever you want to call this nonsense. Dawkins certainly hasn't changed his position at all.
Wrong, there's plenty of evidence. I can prove it to you.
That’s just false. Dawkins would be schooled by someone with elementary level philosophical training. I guarantee you’re unable to justify a single belief you have…Because atheists are the only group of people who don’t have to justify their position, apparently.
Yeah, your tiny little brain can't comprehend.
You believe the Universe and everything in it popped into existence from nothing.
Thank you for proving, that the Bible is the All-Time, Best-Selling “Unread” Book in History.
Why my comment get deleted?? Truth is that scary?
Once again I write:
You believe the Universe popped into existence from nothing.
Another fantastic video! Thank you!
Richard can't button his shirt...Genius
@RattlesnakeTV You say in this video that "Science and religion are not incompatible." That is an ironic statement to make, given that religious beliefs are SUPER natural and science is the study of the natural and the observable. Unless you can point out a single SUPER natural event or piece of evidence that has ever existed, then science and religion are indeed incompatible as they have always been. Also, just because science has not explained something does not mean that it cannot be explained by science, because it was not long ago that religious zealots tried Galileo for heresy due to his scientific findings and teachings of heliocentrism.
Science is understanding God's creation. Another person who thinks they are clever with little knowledge.
Thank you. I've been saying that atheism is a type of religion. I'm agnostic, former practicing Christian. I can see the effects of the wind, but can't see the wind. I've never liked the argument that you can't see God, therefore God dosen't exist. I also can't see infrared light, but can feel the effects of the sun, warming my skin, or solar rays powering my home.
I'm but a mere and, crawling on a computer. I can walk through the motherboard, the speakers, and witness the complexities of the physical, but I have idea to even wonder about what it is.
Atheism is a type of religion?
Is spectator a type of sports team?
Is off a type of tv channel?
Is not collecting baseball cards a type of hobby?
@@GeoffJRC lol, the baseball cards comparison, I can handle, the other 2, you'll have to breakdown because I don't see a relationship whit the 2.
If you are the guy who makes defenses against why I shouldn't collect them. How they are valueless, and why everyone is an idiot for collecting them, and your life is based on passing that information out... then yes, not collecting baseball cards can be a hobby. If you study the market and looking into the psychological reasons that one might collect baseball cards, sure, that can also be a hobby.
@@Lumbeelegend theism is the belief in the existence of one or more supernatural deities who have a relationship with, and intervene in the lives of, their creatures.
Atheism is the lack of this belief.
Therefore, if theistic religions were different tv channels, atheists’ TVs would be off.
The sports analogy is not great, I just made that one up on the spot.
@@GeoffJRC oh, I understand. I used religion as a way of conveying deep beliefs and guided principles on which to base your life upon. Theism does mean belief in the supernatural. In that aspect, I am wrong. My apologies.
As a former Christian, William Kane Craig’s stance is so flimsy. When he started to think for myself and saw his arguments again, I was appalled at how intellectually dishonest he is.
Terrific video, brother! Keep it coming.
A fairytale about a cult 2000 years ago is still a fairytale
lol we’ll all know soon
You’re just going too far with all this - how can we trust your questioning and understanding with other topics. Clearly you have tendencies to be dogmatic - which is a shame as it was your questioning of all around you which earned a sub. No one knows if god exists or not - but having no questioning on this matter and just preaching fails your channel for me
Wow, you can't disagree with him? He doesn't even believe in God. 🤡 you sound like a leftist.
Right there with you, man. What a fool. On a side-note: Nobody knows if there isn't a teapot orbiting Jupiter either.
You sound like a leftist... cause you disagree with him. 🤡🤡
Bro, you can unsubscribe, & I'll subscribe & replace you.
Same will happen if your fellow so called questioners unsubscribe. He'll get more even double.
You atheists think your so powerful just coz you have questions, lol.
You can leave my guy.