Nice review. I kind of hate the spacebar implementation on all Alice layouts. I always feel like either left handers or right handers get screwed on each one. I appreciate you taking the time to point out your own experience with that. Thanks.
I primarily use the left thumb even though I’m right handed but I just don’t like the function key placement on the KC from a design standpoint, it feels like a scuffed attempt at a thumb cluster.
Was really liking what I saw about the Feker Alice 80 until I looked at the position of Ctrl/Alt/Win - using that on a Mac will be brutal, much easier and consistent to put the Win key between Ctrl and Alt. Bit of a deal breaker.
I just made the spacebar on feker the win key. I'm used to using Alt a lot so the pos of that is muscle memory but I don't think I used the win key as much and moving it to the space key seems to have stuck quickly. I use multiple desktops with win+ctrl+ arrow keys and it feels like second nature now
i agree, the placement of the spacebars is crucial and for some reason they decided to put a key next to the right spacebar that i would never use but then makes this keyboard not work for me at all. my right finger would go where the fn2 key is... wtf are they thinking
I almost bought the Keychron, but I think that now I am going with the Feker Alice 80 instead. Update: bought the fekker Alice and I like it. Just a personal preference but I don't love yellow switches so I'll be swapping them out
Thank you. I got the Feker Alice for work and paired it with Epomaker Sea Salt Silent switches for work and love it. Now looking to swap my home board from a GMMK Pro brick to the Q10 but the pics look like the middle angles down a bit (the Q8 looked very flat), opposite of how your wrists naturally are. Have you had a chance to test the Q10 yet?
Q8 is more faithful to the original TGR Alice with the staggered/bumped position keys. Could say they are paying homage to it, but the Feker definitely looks smoother/straighter.
I'm about to buy an alice, but I think I'm gonna go with the Q10 as I'd prefer to have the F keys and there's no spacebar issue on that one which is nice.
Keychron had a horrible case ping unmodded. I would not call the amount of rattle "slight" on those stabilizers either, but it's all subjective in the end.
For developers, get Keychron Q8 which is more developer friendly, is able to press 'Shift+Command+F9' with ease without splitting your hands. Just don't forget to a shortcut key mappinng like Esc is pressed, any click on number becomes F[number]. 🙌 :)
The center spacing in Feker is more because of the design - there elevation in the center. For centre elevation there has to be a center line which is not touched by either half of the keyboard. In keychron, since there is not center elevation, and hence no need of central untouching line is there making it possible to keep the gap smaller. It has nothing to do with plastic or alumunium.
I have the Feker/Yunzii Alice 85 ...it died within a month of use. It was the microcontroller and likely a $10 part, but they wouldn't replace it. :/ My next keeb will be a Keychron.
Keychron upped the ante with the new V10 Alice. Cheaper, full featured and with 5 nice fully programmable macro buttons. I'd like to see a comparison between that and the Feker.
@@shoop9274 Obviously this is complete BS. As a programmer I for once need all keys, including the F-keys and I'm still a handful of keys short because I have keychords like "C-c v s" or "C-c v B" which is the magit keychord for staging the current hunk in a file and blaming the file in interactive mode respectively. Sure I could type it, but I use these chords so often that slapping them onto a macro button is just faster.
they have one that's aluminum and really expensive, they are also coming out with 98% version on pre-order right now! I'm planning to pre-order that one it's pretty much perfect with F keys and number pad
anatomically Keychron has the right space bar (not touching the B). it seems your fingers are shorter and it may be the reason why keychron is not comfortable for you
Funny thing, for people who use languages with special characters keychron is actually more ergonomic because if you switch your fn button with alt these special characters become way more accessible than on a standard keyboard, my wpm in my native language skyrocketed when i switched to Q8. Nevertheless feker is way better value proposition, and if not for that button placement i would pick it over keychron.
What is the best Alice keyboard I can get with worldwide shipping right now? Does not matter the budget. Or something you can recommend me. I saw one for $400 a year ago and I loved it.
From the top of my head, the TGR Alice is probably the nicest one? But, there's really nice transparent one available for only $100 barebones, which is really nice s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DDsgrm7
The Q10 solves the spacebar issue, and the Feker Alice75 has an aluminum body. So strictly based on typing ergonomics, do you prefer the angled layout of Q, or the curved layout of Feker?
Thanks for the review video! Starting my Alice journey with the Q10 for the fact that the aluminium body offers a bit more in terms of sturdiness and stability.
There's a bunch of combinations like Shift+Fn+Esc - for any keyboard that can use QMK or VIA, there's a key you can program that lets you press the tilde by pressing Shift + Esc
This is in no way to sound snobby or disrespectful. Just pointing something out. with that said, Would it even matter? because most people will put in their own switches they like. Either clicky, Linear or Tactile and even Silent. So people shouldn't get too hung up on the limited keys they get on the order, if its not their particular liking and if it can save them a bit of cash 😁👍 Just wanted to point that out.
For left handed user considering the Feker, you can actually do a little mod by cutting off part of the casing around the left space bar (the two tabs that fill the gap) to fit a 2.75u keycap in it. That will give you more length for your left thumb to press on.
4:16 You forgot to mention that Feker also has north facing LED's for those people who like North Facing LEDs so their keycap legends illuminate better. Yes I understand that a lot of people like south facing LEDs but there are a lot of people who like North Facing LEDs and they should know that Feker makes those types of board too. 😁👍 Also before I forget to mention it, Alice keyboards only has 1 major problem. There are no Function keys across the top row of the numbers keys. Many people like myself would love to have function keys across the top and not having to press a special key while pressing another key at the same time just to press a function key. (for me) thats really annoying. Im sure many others feel the same way, while also having other people who dont want them. There should be an open to have them when purchasing. Thats the main problem I have with Alice Keyboard. Anyways, I like FEKER best because their keyboard is more streamlined and has more features and their LEDs are brighter.
@@_ExTitus I seen both your original rude post and now the edited cleaned post. Feker makes both North & South facing LEDs versions. I choose North Facing LEDs because I have clear legends on my keycaps. My preference is North Facing LEDs.
um apparently the feker alice 80 has via compatibility as well... but you need to contact the taobao seller for it, and need a wechat or qq account to access the foler
@@abirstolov8110 mate, most of the boards bought off taobao that are via compatible are not listed on the via site; Libra mini, fancy Alice 66, fk680, just to name a few.
I've been using the Alice 80 as my daily since it arrived, it works in via, just have to load the JSON each time, but the keymapping is not affected. Sounds and feels good with the silicon replaced by 3mm neoprene and filled with polyfill.
Nice review. I kind of hate the spacebar implementation on all Alice layouts. I always feel like either left handers or right handers get screwed on each one. I appreciate you taking the time to point out your own experience with that. Thanks.
i get around this by setting the space bar i dont use as another backspace key, feels pretty natural after some practice
I’m left handed but use my right thumb for the spacebar and it feels perfect.👌🏼
Just swap the right Fn2 key with the spacebar, done
I primarily use the left thumb even though I’m right handed but I just don’t like the function key placement on the KC from a design standpoint, it feels like a scuffed attempt at a thumb cluster.
Was really liking what I saw about the Feker Alice 80 until I looked at the position of Ctrl/Alt/Win - using that on a Mac will be brutal, much easier and consistent to put the Win key between Ctrl and Alt. Bit of a deal breaker.
I just made the spacebar on feker the win key. I'm used to using Alt a lot so the pos of that is muscle memory but I don't think I used the win key as much and moving it to the space key seems to have stuck quickly. I use multiple desktops with win+ctrl+ arrow keys and it feels like second nature now
Use via！😅
i agree, the placement of the spacebars is crucial and for some reason they decided to put a key next to the right spacebar that i would never use but then makes this keyboard not work for me at all. my right finger would go where the fn2 key is... wtf are they thinking
Unusually helpful review. I hadn’t even thought about the spacebar issue.
There certainly was a bit of hollowness to the sound, which is surprising because of all the silicone and foam it has.
I almost bought the Keychron, but I think that now I am going with the Feker Alice 80 instead.
Update: bought the fekker Alice and I like it. Just a personal preference but I don't love yellow switches so I'll be swapping them out
It's interesting that the Q10 does not have the same spacebar positioning problem as it's sibling Q8 - I've been really enjoying the Q10 so far
I also got the q10, so far I love it.
Thank you. I got the Feker Alice for work and paired it with Epomaker Sea Salt Silent switches for work and love it. Now looking to swap my home board from a GMMK Pro brick to the Q10 but the pics look like the middle angles down a bit (the Q8 looked very flat), opposite of how your wrists naturally are. Have you had a chance to test the Q10 yet?
Q8 is more faithful to the original TGR Alice with the staggered/bumped position keys. Could say they are paying homage to it, but the Feker definitely looks smoother/straighter.
innovation is always better
@@Alfred-lp8vz not "always," but you could argue it's not innovation unless it's an improvement
I'm about to buy an alice, but I think I'm gonna go with the Q10 as I'd prefer to have the F keys and there's no spacebar issue on that one which is nice.
Super detailed review with quality camera work and commentary, thank you very much. God bless. Jesus loves you!
Difficult choice, but I think I'll go for a cheaper, better sounding board over something I can flex on my self with.
Thank you for the comparison video between these 2 keyboards, i am considering to buy one of the 2 and luckily came across your video 👍
Keychron had a horrible case ping unmodded. I would not call the amount of rattle "slight" on those stabilizers either, but it's all subjective in the end.
For developers, get Keychron Q8 which is more developer friendly, is able to press 'Shift+Command+F9' with ease without splitting your hands. Just don't forget to a shortcut key mappinng like Esc is pressed, any click on number becomes F[number]. 🙌 :)
Is not possible to use macros and remap keys combinations????
The center spacing in Feker is more because of the design - there elevation in the center.
For centre elevation there has to be a center line which is not touched by either half of the keyboard. In keychron, since there is not center elevation, and hence no need of central untouching line is there making it possible to keep the gap smaller. It has nothing to do with plastic or alumunium.
Great review, well done and thanks.
These boards are hideous.. no wonder they are so cheap.. they look like it..
Sadly without Numblock. Nice Review! :)
I have the Feker/Yunzii Alice 85 ...it died within a month of use. It was the microcontroller and likely a $10 part, but they wouldn't replace it. :/ My next keeb will be a Keychron.
Keychron upped the ante with the new V10 Alice. Cheaper, full featured and with 5 nice fully programmable macro buttons.
I'd like to see a comparison between that and the Feker.
@@shoop9274 Obviously this is complete BS. As a programmer I for once need all keys, including the F-keys and I'm still a handful of keys short because I have keychords like "C-c v s" or "C-c v B" which is the magit keychord for staging the current hunk in a file and blaming the file in interactive mode respectively. Sure I could type it, but I use these chords so often that slapping them onto a macro button is just faster.
@@Ruhrpottpatriot As a programmer, you should learn to use the best editor (ViM), and go with a 65% keyboard. You don't need F-keys, ever.
@@feo130 a) VIM is not the best editor, far from it
b) I regularly use VIM and I still need the F-Keys
The Q8 has 2 fn switches. If you are a programmer, would recomend just buying the Q8
When is Feker making a F key Alice! ❤️
they have one that's aluminum and really expensive, they are also coming out with 98% version on pre-order right now! I'm planning to pre-order that one it's pretty much perfect with F keys and number pad
anatomically Keychron has the right space bar (not touching the B). it seems your fingers are shorter and it may be the reason why keychron is not comfortable for you
The q8 spacebar positioning is perfect for me, the thumb does not need to only be used for spacebar
Aesthetics wise… That large space on the Q8 between the windows key and left arrow key bothers me
is it possible to use gateron low profile on this? I kinda want it to flat like laptop keyboard
Funny thing, for people who use languages with special characters keychron is actually more ergonomic because if you switch your fn button with alt these special characters become way more accessible than on a standard keyboard, my wpm in my native language skyrocketed when i switched to Q8. Nevertheless feker is way better value proposition, and if not for that button placement i would pick it over keychron.
holy smokes the feker sounds 1000x better stock!
Can you remap all the keys on the feker and can you create more layers?
feker alice 80 can be configured with via sofrware
what does 65% gasket mean
100%
that q8 spacebar placement is a problem
Thumb position is the main factor for me too.
I like metal housings, it’s sadge that so many of them end up sounding super hollow out of the box
What is the best Alice keyboard I can get with worldwide shipping right now?
Does not matter the budget.
Or something you can recommend me.
I saw one for $400 a year ago and I loved it.
From the top of my head, the TGR Alice is probably the nicest one? But, there's really nice transparent one available for only $100 barebones, which is really nice s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DDsgrm7
The Q10 solves the spacebar issue, and the Feker Alice75 has an aluminum body. So strictly based on typing ergonomics, do you prefer the angled layout of Q, or the curved layout of Feker?
I find the Feker to be nicer to type on.
Really great review! Love the advice at the end about being comfortable.
How about using mac os? Mac os needs 3 modifier keys to the left of the space bar. Control-Option-Command.
The keys are still there, just in a different location.
Thanks for the review video! Starting my Alice journey with the Q10 for the fact that the aluminium body offers a bit more in terms of sturdiness and stability.
for me the extra key accessible by thumb is the selling point. It is not a flaw, it is a great feature.
Hey romsicle! The Alice 80 has a slight tent to it. Has this made the keyboard a bit uncomfortable to type on by any chance?
No, it's actually better because it's like those ergonomic Logitech keyboards!
What is the name of your lamp on the monitor?
BenQ Screenbar Halo
Can someone explain how you press the "~" key on those keyboards?
There's a bunch of combinations like Shift+Fn+Esc - for any keyboard that can use QMK or VIA, there's a key you can program that lets you press the tilde by pressing Shift + Esc
@@Romsicle Thank you thank you. Programmer here using iQUNIX L80. The wireless connectivity issues drives me nuts. considering a switch.
The alice 80 also have 2 option for the switches. Yellow and feker matcha
This is in no way to sound snobby or disrespectful. Just pointing something out. with that said,
Would it even matter? because most people will put in their own switches they like. Either clicky, Linear or Tactile and even Silent.
So people shouldn't get too hung up on the limited keys they get on the order, if its not their particular liking and if it can save them a bit of cash 😁👍
Just wanted to point that out.
@@TwstedTV no offense taken. But the feker matcha is really good stock so it maybe the right switch for someone who wants to save money.
LEFT SPACEBAR FOR BACKSPACE !!!!!!!!!!!!
For left handed user considering the Feker, you can actually do a little mod by cutting off part of the casing around the left space bar (the two tabs that fill the gap) to fit a 2.75u keycap in it. That will give you more length for your left thumb to press on.
thanks for the review.. was thinking about the feker board
Feker is made by Epomaker?
Not made, but they help sell them. Think of it as selling all kinds of different companies' keyboards.
4:16
You forgot to mention that Feker also has north facing LED's for those people who like North Facing LEDs so their keycap legends illuminate better.
Yes I understand that a lot of people like south facing LEDs but there are a lot of people who like North Facing LEDs and they should know that Feker makes those types of board too. 😁👍
Also before I forget to mention it, Alice keyboards only has 1 major problem. There are no Function keys across the top row of the numbers keys.
Many people like myself would love to have function keys across the top and not having to press a special key while pressing another key at the same time just to press a function key.
(for me) thats really annoying. Im sure many others feel the same way, while also having other people who dont want them. There should be an open to have them when purchasing.
Thats the main problem I have with Alice Keyboard.
Anyways, I like FEKER best because their keyboard is more streamlined and has more features and their LEDs are brighter.
The Keychron Q10 has a function row.
Both the Feker and Keychron alice keyboards have south facing leds
@@_ExTitus
I seen both your original rude post and now the edited cleaned post.
Feker makes both North & South facing LEDs versions.
I choose North Facing LEDs because I have clear legends on my keycaps.
My preference is North Facing LEDs.
@@TwstedTV good to know
Plate mount VS Screw in stabs... It was Keychron all along.
um apparently the feker alice 80 has via compatibility as well... but you need to contact the taobao seller for it, and need a wechat or qq account to access the foler
wait really? because if it is that totally change the game.
@@fikriilhamfadhillah4467 Whatgeek have the firmware and JSON for VIA - my Alice 80 is in transit
It does not, according to the via software site
@@abirstolov8110 mate, most of the boards bought off taobao that are via compatible are not listed on the via site; Libra mini, fancy Alice 66, fk680, just to name a few.
I've been using the Alice 80 as my daily since it arrived, it works in via, just have to load the JSON each time, but the keymapping is not affected. Sounds and feels good with the silicon replaced by 3mm neoprene and filled with polyfill.