Tyler, Thanks for the tutorial. I haven't pinned Sargent LFIC for 20 plus years now. The institution I work for recently purchased a building with Sargent LFIC, and I needed a quick refresher. Thanks!
Thank you for your video. Very helpful for the project I am working on later this morning. In the trade for 19 years and believe it or not this is my first time with Sargent I.C. Cores. Have done many Best I.C. But never Sargent until now. 👍🏻
Good afternoon Tyler, thanks for the video and information. I work for a school system that's all Sargent 6300. I need to make an X1X IC core that will include 55 different Change keys. Do you have a video that can help me to figure that out?
You made creating the pinning chart very easy. How do I disassemble the core to repin it? I know how to do SFIC, but this must be different. I have a Lab pin kit that has Sargent pin it. Can I use this kit or does it take a special kit due to the driver pins?
6300s are top loaded with a spring cap/strip. Depending on your pinning requirements, you MAY be able to get away with just a LAB kit but more than likely not. Also, Sargent has called for their hollow drivers for all current 6300s but I know quite a few people that have ignored this - your mileage may vary. Easiest way would be to make a pinning chart and find out if the pin segments required are available to you in the kit.
@@tomupchurch9471 They can be gently pried away from the rest of the core using basic hand tools. Replacement is suggested since they're thin brass. You just stake a new one in place.
This has been very helpful! According to Sargent, chambers 3 and 4 require "hollow drivers" and "hollow driver pins". Can you explain why? And where can I find the Slide 13-0797 for the Sargent IC Core.
Mark Eley They made the design change due to “operational issues”. My guess is that they had to use them to help prevent crushed springs. Should be able to find that slide through any Sargent distributor.
@@Thethreetumblers this information and the way you present it has been so helpful! It answered so many questions. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
I notice on your pinning sheet it states that Sargent has used hollow top pins and special springs since 1999 yet I just printed a spec sheet 3/12/2020 that reads only cylinders manufactured prior to January 2009 uses those. Everything after 12/31/2008 uses standard top pins and spring #13-1769. Your video was done in 2018 so I'm trying to find out which pins/springs are actually in use. Thank you.
I have a client that uses these LFIC cores. I've never had the opportunity to have any formal training on them. I don't have a pinning kit for these and I'm not familiar with the Depth and Space Data (DSD) for cutting the keys (Sargent HA). Do you know the DSD # for the HPC 1200 by any chance? Also, I have the working and master keys for this system, but no Control key. Is it possible to determine what the control key cuts are if we have the other working keys?
Yes. The pin stack total for control chambers is 20, the coded difference between shearlines is 8. 20 - 8 gives us the "magic" number of 12. Very similar to SFIC A2 which uses 13. (23 pin stack - 10 coded difference=13).
Aaaaaaah ok ok. I understand a bit better now. Appreciate the fact that you actually responded lol. I'm literally attempting to pin one of these IC's as I type. Was definitely lost so your vid is a game changer. Would you suggest I use the method of the 1st or 2nd chart if I already have an exciting master key? Only need to create a control Key and use the existing master. No other keys.
Doesn't add up. The chart he's using says the build-up pin = (Control Cut + 8) - (Plug Total). But when he's doing the chart he's only adding the (Top Pin + Bottom Pin) - 20. And that's two different things. I've been trying to pin this DAM core for months now and there is NO chart or reference that works.
Probably because you're not good at comprehending what you're reading or viewing. As I mentioned in the video, this is my method, separate from the manufacturer's (what is on the sheet), and I have found it is faster. This was all addressed in the video. Lol. Anyways, we just finished a building that had around 800 6300's throughout it - the above worked for all of them.
Tyler, Thanks for the tutorial. I haven't pinned Sargent LFIC for 20 plus years now. The institution I work for recently purchased a building with Sargent LFIC, and I needed a quick refresher. Thanks!
Thanks for doing these Tyler. Great help to newer guys like myself.
Thank you for your video. Very helpful for the project I am working on later this morning. In the trade for 19 years and believe it or not this is my first time with Sargent I.C. Cores. Have done many Best I.C. But never Sargent until now. 👍🏻
Glad to help.
Interesting info. I don't think I'd ever use it down here but still interesting to me. You must be a Locksmith.🤔✌
Nice job thank you❤
Good afternoon Tyler, thanks for the video and information. I work for a school system that's all Sargent 6300. I need to make an X1X IC core that will include 55 different Change keys. Do you have a video that can help me to figure that out?
You made creating the pinning chart very easy. How do I disassemble the core to repin it? I know how to do SFIC, but this must be different. I have a Lab pin kit that has Sargent pin it. Can I use this kit or does it take a special kit due to the driver pins?
6300s are top loaded with a spring cap/strip. Depending on your pinning requirements, you MAY be able to get away with just a LAB kit but more than likely not. Also, Sargent has called for their hollow drivers for all current 6300s but I know quite a few people that have ignored this - your mileage may vary.
Easiest way would be to make a pinning chart and find out if the pin segments required are available to you in the kit.
@@Thethreetumblers How do you remove and reinstall the slide piece on top?
@@tomupchurch9471 They can be gently pried away from the rest of the core using basic hand tools. Replacement is suggested since they're thin brass. You just stake a new one in place.
This has been very helpful! According to Sargent, chambers 3 and 4 require "hollow drivers" and "hollow driver pins". Can you explain why? And where can I find the Slide 13-0797 for the Sargent IC Core.
Mark Eley They made the design change due to “operational issues”. My guess is that they had to use them to help prevent crushed springs.
Should be able to find that slide through any Sargent distributor.
@@Thethreetumblers this information and the way you present it has been so helpful! It answered so many questions. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
I notice on your pinning sheet it states that Sargent has used hollow top pins and special springs since 1999 yet I just printed a spec sheet 3/12/2020 that reads only cylinders manufactured prior to January 2009 uses those. Everything after 12/31/2008 uses standard top pins and spring #13-1769. Your video was done in 2018 so I'm trying to find out which pins/springs are actually in use. Thank you.
You are right. That is a typo on our end. Should read 1/1/09 not 99. Thank you.
I have a client that uses these LFIC cores. I've never had the opportunity to have any formal training on them. I don't have a pinning kit for these and I'm not familiar with the Depth and Space Data (DSD) for cutting the keys (Sargent HA). Do you know the DSD # for the HPC 1200 by any chance? Also, I have the working and master keys for this system, but no Control key. Is it possible to determine what the control key cuts are if we have the other working keys?
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Great vid! Question. . Why do you keep using a 12 to subtract from? Is that a default number ?
Yes. The pin stack total for control chambers is 20, the coded difference between shearlines is 8. 20 - 8 gives us the "magic" number of 12. Very similar to SFIC A2 which uses 13. (23 pin stack - 10 coded difference=13).
Aaaaaaah ok ok. I understand a bit better now. Appreciate the fact that you actually responded lol. I'm literally attempting to pin one of these IC's as I type. Was definitely lost so your vid is a game changer. Would you suggest I use the method of the 1st or 2nd chart if I already have an exciting master key? Only need to create a control Key and use the existing master. No other keys.
R. ES Its the same method, just the second one has the master key involved. I would presume that will be more applicable to you.
Doesn't add up. The chart he's using says the build-up pin = (Control Cut + 8) - (Plug Total). But when he's doing the chart he's only adding the (Top Pin + Bottom Pin) - 20. And that's two different things. I've been trying to pin this DAM core for months now and there is NO chart or reference that works.
Probably because you're not good at comprehending what you're reading or viewing. As I mentioned in the video, this is my method, separate from the manufacturer's (what is on the sheet), and I have found it is faster. This was all addressed in the video. Lol.
Anyways, we just finished a building that had around 800 6300's throughout it - the above worked for all of them.
@@Thethreetumblers i found chensky
@@Cortez1776 I think I’m cool with Chensky. I hope at least. Lol.