When you build a group around one idol
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
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Since i'm getting some comments I want to say that it was absolutely NOT my intention to insight hate towards ANYONE. I wanted to make a video highlighting my thoughts on Belifts handling of the forming of ILLIT and how I’m not a fan of the concept, feeling like it only leans in one members favor. I talked in what I thought was an objective manor and don’t believe I have stated anything hateful in the slightest. I have just stated an opinion that clearly many other people just seem to share. I also said that Wonhee has improved a lot and anyone saying she's a bad idol is BIASED, that we shouldn't judge an idol by their trainee days. I don’t think I should silence my thoughts on something in fear of how other people take my opinion. I said multiple times that I do NOT hate any members of ANY idol group. How other people speak on things is not my fault any i try my best to regulate my comment sections
I also wanted to add another thing from your video is that ex member Youngseo would have fitted the concept well despite her only being in a dark concept but her real style and how she dresses on their titok and instagram fitted Ill-Its concept, the concept prob was build around her and Wonhee as her face also kinda resembles Wonhee
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i never understand why survival shows focus on the younger (less talented) members... like the older trainees are often ready to debut and seem more cohesive together. it also makes people seem sour to the show and eventual group, it's just bad overall. survival show lineups almost never make sense tho
younger ones are what people want though... especially in Asia where cuteness is preferred over sexiness.
Not to mention it is easier to trick a minor into signing a veryyyy bad and unfair contract if they dont know what they are signing (for example, think of EXO and how they only earn like 5% of their own profits)
"Less talented" and Wonhee outsings half the group and half the contestants. y'all just love hopping on hate trains its embarrassing
This has actually been explained. There’s a survival show that is gonna take place and they blatantly said that they wanna debut young kids because it increases support and profits
@@24O325can she outsing channelle and jiwoo?
@@Yxxyn._
are you talking about the under 15 one? the one produced by the same ppl who discovered lim young woong
i fully believe that the members (excluding wonhee) wud have DEVOURED a dark concept (esp iroha) NO HATE TO WONHEE
Nah I feel like wonhee could do dark but it's more of the cute dark concept.
Think like dark Lolita.
omg YES. They picked such a bad concept that isn’t very creative in the industry atm. Omg I would’ve loved to see Wonhee in a dark concept
@@NatashaLkimpeople and including myself love their concept though. I don't get this criticism at all but to each their own
Idk if the rest of the members would fit it but i know iroha would maybe yuha
@@lorrainedaloba7292 the time when magnetic released it become popular quickly but after some time maybe after a month it just got down because when i first listened magnetic it was in my liked favourite list but just after 15 days it literally feel bored ( in this am just telling about myself so please don't feel offended 🙏) as compare to other groups because in my fav list i still have twice, blackpink and seventeen songs and also new 5th gen groups songs like kiss of life- bad news and shhh, babymonster- sheesh and like that and dream same for some other rookie group
In the end i just wanna say that some people may like the concept but there are also some people who don't like the cutesy concept but that doesn't mean they hate group they just didn't like the concept and move on to some other groups which they may also like
The reason companies like these young, underfed idols is because they are easier to control.
They're easier to control and hybes other ggs (especially f9 and lsf) are most popular with men... It's a very obvious strategy
It’s just sad honestly
Control + Guaranteed audience (The “guaranteed audience” being the GCA or “guaranteed creep audience” who are under catered to in other industries for OBVIOUS and VALID reasons…. Kpop caters to them often 😞)
4:05 THIS!!! like if you’re 17 and in a room full of 20+ year olds they’re gonna consider you a child💀
iroha is younger then wonhee tho
@@juyaoaowonhee gets hated more than iroha though
@@cherinyu_ yeah true and its really sad adults are hating minors ☹️
@@juyaoaoi think that when you look, act, or overall give off the vibes of being older in cases like this its often an oversight. Kinda opposite to how yunah receives hate for "looking old" bc she has a more mature face and bone structure.
The thing is Minju herself said she’s better at singing rnb songs, yunah also expressed that she’s better at singing stronger songs and now iroha has said that shes more used to dancing in a hip pop style
They should have advertised the show like how JYP did Sixteen where all of the Twice members were chosen by the company and 1 member (Tzuyu) was chosen due to the popularity surveys from the show. If they had advertised that the majority of the girls would be company chosen but 1 would get to be voted in, it would have avoided so much grief.
Agreed tbh this is off topic but jyp is the least problematic company ever other big company constantly have problems
exactly what i was thinking
@@Hannie-Bbamathis might sound weird but JYP in my eyes is like "the other girl" hahaha they're always so different and also quiet
@@jrlnky I agree I like how different they are to the other big companies I like how they sing live more often especially Straykids and Nmixx I don't know if the other groups sing live Everytime but they sing live alot jyp has always been my favorite company and will continue to be 🥰
That is why I am still baffled that people follow and still watch those shows. It has been showed that chose are really draining on trainees, they are rigged left and right (evil editing, mentors being biased, voting being so rigged it was literally proven). The producers capitalise so much on some trainees and then use some for views but then discard them, it is BRUTAL. Why would people still support that?
Illit gives me sort of traditional jpop vibes. This isn't bad by itself, but coupled with the fact that the group really leans into the cutesy younger concept, it really limits all the members who might have a different vocal range, dance style, etc.
Im also not a wonhee hater, she seems genuinely nice and has greatly improved, but I'm still baffled at how she placed first at the time.
Edit: A lot of people have mentioned the voting system so I just want to clarify that I didn't mean the technical details of how she won, but why others' talents were overlooked in favor of her visuals (Not saying she isn't talented, but she definitely wasn't as good back then as she is now. She's genuinely made a lot of progress and I'm excited to see how all the members adapt to the concept and future music!).
Because the people voted for her.
Bc she is carrying the group imo she is the star
Bc she is carrying the group imo she is the star
she was popular especially in sk. like koreans liked her for her innocent visual and also because she was young ( ik it sounds fcked up but knetz are obsessed w younger idols ) though I didn't expect her to get 1st place. I knew she'd get in but 1st place was pretty shocking to me
Only knetz voted in the final. They did a thing where u could only use some kind of banking app ( u needed a korean card for that) ??? We also had a week of voting before the final that counted for basically nothing compared to the live voting ( Wonhee placed 9th on that one because it was a 50/50 split in korean/international votes ☠️)
i belive 100% that illit souldve just been formed like a nomal group, select members from the pool of trainees that fit the image they wanted better. but for some stupid and petty reason they decided to make ru next to waste multiple peoples effort and time and they did it to spite mnet because they lost the iland 2 show dispute.
Hybe did it to create pre debut stans.
@@mitchierainbow7353 I mean, YG, SM, JYPE, they have all shown that it is possible to create pre-debut stans without having to go through those shows:
- NMIXX trainee videos published before their debut
- SM trainees - less now, but it used to hype new SM groups a lot
- YG with BP (literally they had activities and appeared in MV before their debut) and with BM
It's the easiest way to create debut stans, but it is also the easiest way to get into huge controveries.
THIS!!! It would have been so much better if the group was formed normally. If belift really wanted pre-debut stans so desperately, they could have filmed like teasers or a documentary or something before the group’s debut (eg XG), OR just have recorded the selection process (eg Stray Kids)
LITERALLY. I mean, this worked for TXT, they started with all the mistery of the teasers, guess the member voice and stuff and people was SUPER into it, instead they made 22 girls put their dreams on the line only to choose the line up because they already knew what they wanted. 💔
Well, obviously it's highly focus on business pov, never really about music and talents of the idols them self. That's why a lot of Hybe's artists suffering quality decrease on live performance and singing skills. Especially when you think that singer on the level of Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Adele, still have daily vocal training rutine even though they have level max God's given talent, but these idols and their company decide it's okay to be fake singer as long as you look good. Industry plant as it's finest. You can't expecting to be a fake and money grabber and also expecting people to respecting you, that's not how it works. These idols need to show integrity and self respect first as an artist and performer, then MAYBE people would take them as a serious respectable entertainer, and that is a lifetime achievement.
But of course, greedy company don't want an independent artist, they just want puppet and 'dancing monkey' (it's Captain America reference btw).
every time I see iroha performing ALL I can think of is how she would devourrrr a hiphop concept😭
I’ve seen some of her dance/tiktok videos where she’s by herself on ILlit’s page and man, I was like she’d truly kill a harder concept
And the fact that shes been a hip hop dancer since she was like 3-4 years old 😩😩
I feel like they would be accused of copying new jeans even more especially cuz new jeans recent dance style is hip hop
As an runext watcher it’s painful to see how illit turned out especially yunah 😭
I know! Yunah is so good with those more mature concepts (like Good Girl Bad Girl concept). Yunah is so good with those concepts, same gies for Iroha and Minju. They should've went for a more mature and more serious/creative concept. I don't blame Wonhee as she isn't the one to blame for this situation. She was just very pushed forward a little too much considering there are more talented contestants on R U NEXT.
She was so loved in runext only to be hated for looking ‘old’ for the concept. my heart actually hurts for her 😕
It’s just their debut, it’s not like they will be stuck with this concept forever, at least 2-3 comebacks before labelling a group like that. Expect for wonhee and youngseo who were picked by fans-vote, the other 4 members are known to be very versatile and able to use different concepts.
The problem and fault is definitely the team/producers behind ill-it. They throw the initial idea behind the name "ill-it" which stands for "i'll be it" in response to the show's name "R U next"/ "Are you the next it idol?". It had a stronger or more determined/passionate meaning behind the name. They blew the chance to create THAT identity for the group in the debut concept.
There's no problem or fault. If you dont like a group you can just not hear its songs or pay attention to it.
i don’t think the name is necessarily the issue
@@ausgod538 what I'm saying is where the disappointments are coming from ( in response to the topic on this video). The TEAM who plans the concept definitely fumbled, i don't have a problem with their songs. What i'm saying is they clearly already had a direction with the concept/idea but the song producers changed it to only fit one member because they only considered one member in their creative. They want to bring forward the most popular member as soon as possible to profit from her fresh popularity.They are not considering all these girl's identity and it was very clear. It was like the idols were separate from the songs. The producers proved their capabilities to make viral songs but the idols wasn't able to show themselves (specially for a debut).
@@6thAngely’all talk too soon…it’s still their debut, they have only 4 songs, it’s not like they are gonna stuck with this concept forever. Remember groups like Twice, Bts, TxT or even 2ne1…
@@6thAngel This is bullshit. Not only it was clear what it was with the upbeat theme of runext but how a lot of concepts were in there not just girl crush or dark, but also a lot of cute concepts. THey didnt fumble anything, the group is successful, has a lot of fans, album succesful, a big hit on the title track, other song also relatively successful and if you actually saw other performances outside of just that encore you know they are singing normally since then on concerts. Outside of that, you thinking they made this based in wonhee is just hilarious even more when minju is the most popular member not wonhee who is second depending on the country.
not going to lie I feel like all the member can suit a dark concept. not really girl crush but a sort of cute/dark/horror group, like haunted dolls or something a like. ILLIT does have potential, some people are just desperate to see them fail - we’ve seen that since their debut.
Or even Teen Crush! For example, something in line with Twice's debut "Like Ooh-Ah" would have hit a nice balance of cute teens and strong girls in Teen Crush.
I think Wonhee could do a spooky concept pretty well-think Sunoo in Given-Taken, but a bit more haunting than menacing. like she has the doe-eyes stare to back up a creepy “haunted doll” character role. and then Yunah would kill the more “saccharine evil smile, I’ll bite you if you get too close” vibe
They have a huge potential but BELIFT tries to cut corners by recycling what worked for new jeans. They could have a strong concept, yeah their vocals are not good, but they have really good stage presence, great expressions and dance abilities, they could shine A LOT but get sabotage at every turn.
@@jessicajessica4392 i 100% agree. if ILLIT receives a better marketing team and tailor their concept as one unique to them which allows all the members to shine, ILLIT can become one of the next big groups. it’s just a matter of if HYBE is willing to put in the effort or just keep the same formula.
@@wonhearts ILLIT could have been a top group if their debut was handled better 100%. Be: lift showed that they have the resources to push the group everywhere (payola, insane promotions, boosting their album sales).
Yet, they made no effort in their actual concept and to try to make something memorable and very distinctive (NJ, LSF, TXT, Enhypen all have VERY distinctive sounds). They genuinely did copy so much from NJ just to replicate their success and acted surprised by the backlash. The way they handled the backlash was even worse (Wonhee and the hate comments, their videos dragging half of the industry, their create director posting middle fingers on their story...). It's like their PR team is not even trying to fix their image.
Whoever thinks that "R U NEXT" wasn't scripted, is living under a rock. It's literally HYBE we are talking about here, they knew EXACTLY who they wanted to debut becuase they knew EXACTLY what the concept for ILLIT would be, they just did this show for the heck of it.
Btw there is rumors about Chanelle potentially being one of the 4 new members of FIFTY FIFTY, since they changed management (for what I know), I hope that the shit that happened with the members of FIFTY FIFTY, won't happen again, because if that shit happen again, I want Chanelle to be leaving that group as fast as possible, but yeah it's just rumors for now, so I guess we will see in a few days/week.
My God nooooo CHANELLE!!!!!!!
Hot take: Youngseo leaving was to do with the concept. Youngseo dominated in girlcrush but wasnt as good in cutesy concepts or didnt stand out as much. Is it so far of a stretch to think either they kicked her last minute when they decided to go with a cutesy concept or she left because of the cutesy concept. Can't wait to see Youngseo again, she could be a great soloist or leader/face of a group.
youngseo left cause mhj leaked her personal info what are you going on abt 💀
@@24O325 What personal info did she leak?
@@user-sj4jh4le3c It very well could have also been a similar story to the almost SNSD/Girl's Generation member Stella Kim who trained with SNSD for years and was given the contract to sign to debut, but her parents read and analyzed the contract and were so against she ended up not debuting. This could be a similar situation, although ultimately we don't actually know why she left. It could be a combination of everything mentioned for all we know.
@@user-sj4jh4le3cthat's soooo fake 😂
@@jjongssaeng none, the leaking thing was completely made up by netizens
Yunah going from being one of the most popular members during runext to the least popular member in illit needs to be studied
I think companies base concepts off of looks and maybe 10% off of talents. I never watch reality shows since I know it’s 90% rigged.
this is so real. i really hope i can see Moka in a (G)I-DLE like concept because she ate up the Tomboy performance
What's gidle's concept..? They have many different concepts so nothing pops up in my mind when thinking bout idle
@@xsomili5501girl crush maybe? Their songs are usually about self empowerment so it can also fit in the self love concept
@@xsomili5501it’s woman empowerment!
Wait but i think Moka really really fits this concept
Especially how she performs lucky girl syndrome 😭
oh definitely she does, but it's soooo sad because her vocals obviously don't fit it😭 she has to sing low and "pure" and therefore sounds shaky and bad BC of forcing her voice. I wish her group would've been girl crush because she would've ATE that up, judging by her tomboy performance on runext.
i think moka is the most versatile member in terms of fitting concepts imo
i feel like she can fit most concepts in kpop
She can fit lots of concepts, but her voice can’t, she is talented but I hope she gets vocal lines from her range
Her stage persona fits cute concepts, her vocals? Not so much
agree!!! i just cannot understand why people are saying the girls except wonhhee fit in a darker concept more... they look really good performing their current songs?? and happy. also, it suits their age.
What makes no sense to me is why lean all the way to the cutesy concept when most members don't fit it. You can have a middle ground where all the members would be good at, you only need to be creative... Red velvet and Dreamcatcher for example have had dark/ creepy/ girl crush concepts that still have cuteness in it. If they prioritise creativity and the members qualities instead of just copying what's more popular they could have been so unique
What makes Deukae and ReVe different is that all the members still have their own vibe no matter the concept. It lets their own personalities and strenghts shine through no matter what they're doing. For instance Seulgi and Irene are always gonna have that cold and elegant feel no matter the era, and Siyeon and Dami are gonna have the masculine cool girl vibe. When you try to make all the members fit the concept in the same way not only are some of them not gonna fit in, you lose the individual charms they bring to the table.
Most members fit it. If you dont like just dont stan it.
@@2natrix exactly!!
It's HYBE. They will continue to do what's popular instead of giving their artists the creative freedom and their own identity. Just look at how they destroyed seventeen's music with a bunch of autotuned crap to show that they're HYBE's
@@ausgod538they fit it, but it doesn't utilize their strengths well. hence why people call them "untalented" and "bad". why settle for a concept that only highlights one member's strengths while undermining the others??
I think there is still possibility for Illit to change their concept maybe to work better for all memebers lIke Kep1er changed their sound
I would stan them if they do
if they had a D.E.S.P.E.R.A.T.E sound they’d be my ults instantly
This is what I’ve been saying
@@RoyaleMusicalAAAAA I KNOWWW I WISH THEY WENT FOR A CONCEPT LIKE THAT 😭😭😭 THEY SOUNDED SOOOOO GOOD
its not even a possibility. illit has been saying that they will try out many different things and concepts but no one is willing to wait and give them a chance. its only their first song...
moka is cute and she also stands out for the groups concept BUT EVEN SHE CANT HANDLE IT
Yea😂 especially the singing part..
ofc the bunnies hating her AGAIN!
I adore her but the way they're forcing her voice to be higher to fit the cutesy concept is so frustrating cuz she's got a nice low voice
@@peppa_111girl this is not a fan thing people have different opinions and you gotta have to deal with it
@@kzyiiart okay:)
That's why I think it's important for this type of show to show case songs and performances, specially on the last 3 episodes , more in line with the group debut concept. Nizu2 and i land 2 did some good direction. Baby monster pre debut, even not being a casting selection show, also did.
as a runext watcher, i personally think moka & wonhee are the only illit members that truly suit the concept. wonhee for obvious reasons and moka bc she's a human blythe doll. she's literally a mini tsuki/gowon, she's so adorable that i think the only reason ppl say she'd suit a different concept is to push a narrative. there's no way you watched her perform "tell me" & thought she'd better be in a darker concept...
imo Moka is versatile enough to fit both very well but the overall point is 2/5 members fit their current concept and 4/5 (originally 5/6) suit a darker concept
I was watching the “when we disco” performance by illit and JYP and the members sound SO MUCH BETTER. Maybe a retro concept would’ve been the best and equal to everyone.
I agree
im convinced that illit haters don't have eyes cause how the actual freak can you be hating on a literal child for being rigged into this? how can they hate on very young adults for not being comfortable in a vocal range? hate belift, not illit
I’m so glad that I have caught the attention of rational kpop stans. Thanks for being here 💐💕
It be grown adults acting like this too. One acc that was leaving hate comments about wonhee on insta literally was a MOTHER AND A WIFE.
Tbh I love illit but I don't see the improvement in wonhee she still lacks the stuff she lacked in R U NEXT
@Hanni-Is-Bread they literally just had their debut
@@itsblu4735 yeah 3. months ago you could still be improving but in my opinion Wonhee and the other girls haven't iroah and minju have but idk Abt the others
wonhee has to improve her vocal skills as well as dance execution, i can tell she's doing her best but she wasn't ready for debut. and i'm sad for moka who's great at hiphop and street style dance, i'm sad for yunah who's being hated on bc she doesn't fit that young of a concept and i could go on but i'm too mad at mnet
Wonhee is literally the thid best singer in the group only behind yunah and minju
@@ausgod538 then she isn’t the best
@@ausgod538 sorry, didn’t read quite well ur comment since I didn’t know what “thid” means lol, I just understand it lmao
@@ausgod538 she's the third best but she's still leagues behind yunah, and unlike moka and iroha who have dancing and stage presence to make up for it, she only has the subvocal position
@@hyukleberry5567 Moka and Iroha are better dancers but worse singers, while Wonhee is a worse dancer than them but a better singer. So they give more lines to wonhee, yunah and minju
girl you’re always picking these topics out of my brain, you’re so good at these. a needed perspective the immature community needs thank youuu luv🫶
.alot of new groups have this underbaked presentation, like if they had 9 more months of development they would have their own identity
Their performance of "When We Disco" with JYP shows was they can do. I hope they explore that. Allowing them to sing lower register does make them sound more mature. Older. Which should not be a bad thing. BTW, a lot of supposed fan voted awards are actually not. Like the MTV award. Their disclaimer showed that they have the right to decide who gets the award in the end. Voting is just for media engagement. Same here. I think they have already pre-decided who will be shortlisted. The rest are just show business.
i think runext's final lineup & chosen concept was always gonna be doomed. i said this when i was watching the show, but all the contestants were so different in age, skills, & visuals that the lineup was always gonna look a little weird & the heavy focus on dance skills rather than vocals didn't help either. esp. bc we already knew certain contestants could dance but could they sing? there's also "big 6 stans" and those who advocated largely against the idea of minors debuting & that made ppl upset. no one was gonna be happy.
doomed lmao meanwhile in reality the album sold super well and they have a big hit.
@@ausgod538 “doomed” as in ppl wouldn’t like illit. this has nothing to do with their success but more how they’re perceived as a group….
@@chelleange1s if that was the case they wouldn't be successful because the public wouldn't like their songs..
Tbh it isn't wonhee's fault. I bet she wouldn't even have thought of becoming an idol before HYBE casted her.
the problem with illit quote-on-quote "not fitting their concept" is due to their performances on runext. yunah deffo pushed herself when it came to showing different charms, but she didn't do a cute concept until the FINALE! +everyone said "bggg" was her peak & she had this fierce 2nd gen beauty to her. iroha & minju didn't even try different concepts. it always girl crush, vocal, or dance focused. ofc those are their specific strengths but still...had they debuted without runext maybe we wouldn't be saying this but...
+this is just my opinion & always has been, but i don't think the girls fully suit each other or the concept fully. it's not just bc of the performances, but there's a visual & vocal disharmony between the members. i think belift either needed a bigger lineup (something akin to loona or twice) or chosen different contestants to make illit's concept fully work.
the concept is so wrong lmao meanwhile in reality the album sold super well and they have a big hit.
this! i agree! the disharmony is so obvious that even their debut song Magnetic, you can tell they were really made to sing individually and not as a group which might not make sense but i keep going back to my OG, still active gg that continues to slay: Red Velvet. like even in more cutesy concepts, you can tell apart the members (even in Ice Cream Cake and Dumb Dumb where they're supposed to look "the same"). And good Lord, the harmonizing of voices! not everyone was singing in one melody, which is quite lacking in the newer groups (not saying ALL groups) 😔
Thank you for describing this issue perfectly! I also felt that Belift was trying to turn her into the next Wonyoung. I think it fails because of how much they’re forcing it. Wonnie’s persona is well thought out and executed, it always feels like an extension of who she is. In comparison, to me Wonhee just feels like someone who is not entirely comfortable in the spotlight (from the few performances and content I’ve watched). She’s doing so well though for how little training she received and the hate she gets is ridiculous.
It fails? shes literally the most popular member lmao
@@ausgod538 A lot of idols are popular, but there are only two or three even approaching Wonyoung’s level of personal influence in SK and Wonnie still clears those girls by a large margin. There’s no need to be defensive, my ult bias isn’t touching Wonyoung either. Wonyoung is just THAT girl.
Also, not to be shady, but isn’t Minju the most popular member?
Edit: I wanted to add that I’m only discussing 4th/5th gen female idols.
@@rosiee_roxiee wonhee is more well known bc the company pushed her so much in the show and she's the current center, but minju is more favoured because she's well rounded and pretty at the same time
@@rosiee_roxiee well, wonyoung wasnt immediately this popular when she just debuted too. wonhee is already soo popular now. give her a few more years, i think she has the potential to reach that kind of popularity ngl.
and no, wonhee is morer popular but everyone agrees that minju is the most talented
I remember when the concept photos were revealed I was ecstatic because I love softer concepts so much, although I didn’t think much about if the concept fit all the girls, I just knew I’d stan regardless since concepts will come and go. Although one thing that I’m super excited about is when they’ll lean into a nightmare concept because currently it’s magical girls and dream core, just can’t wait until they lean into a more witchy concept since I know the members will absolutely eat it up.
I also just wanted to say that Belift should have trained the members to handle lower ranges/higher ranges especially if they know that one day they’ll have to sing out of their range. Plus giving songs that only fit the members range I feel would get boring quickly and all their songs would end up getting repetitive, so they definitely should have trained them to handle songs that were out of their range.
It doesn’t help that Moka, Minju, and Yunah are all adults. And essentially are forced to act like they’re children within this concept. The problem with the concept is how it seems so childish. There are concepts that are cute that aren’t childish and one that I thought that could fit all of them perfectly is “Creepy Cute”. Which it could combine the girl crush and cute concept and go for this cool creepy dolls sitting in your closet aesthetic we haven’t really seen in K-pop.
That reminds me a lot of Melanie Martinez earlier work, i would love to see that concept in kpop
There's no problem they are successful in Japan, Korea and over the world. And moka and minju look great, moka has the most fancam and most viewed
@@ausgod538 I never said the problem was how the concept has been effecting their numbers or popularity because it hasn’t. The problem I had with their concept is how childish it is, and how there isn’t much substance to it other than to be a cute listen. Not everything has to have a deeper meaning to it, but where is ILLIT supposed to go with this? Especially since most of this group would thrive with a more darker concept.
@@ausgod538you can stop defending these girls now bro (saying this as someone who likes this group)
@@Terminallyposessed you don't like anything
wonyoung secured a spot in izone from ep 1. even if she was rigged to be in 1st place, she represented the group really well. they all did tbh. izone was supposed to be a gg with elegant concept and all of them did justice to the concept!
Wy is a great idol and she deserves everything she's got and more but I really really hated the starship performance. Like literally an ugly performance. I'm a little more understanding knowing they were only 13 then but it was shockingly bad especially if you compare it to produce camp 1st ep performances. BUT they were still loads better than wh in runext who couldn't even follow the choreo and was clumsy too until the end
and even if she wasn’t the most talented contestant she deserved that #1. everyone saw that she would be a star and now she’s like one of the biggest celebrities in korea
@@yoongiverse. wonhee too. she has so much potential and shes only 16
@@pikachu7572 eh? i think you might be just biased. there are literally so many great wonhee performances. i agree that at the start she looked a little awk but towards the end she was so good. - ssfwl, scrum, feel special, across the universe
@@denisse3883 yeah, once the hate subsides and they have a few more comebacks i think she’ll be really popular. she seems really sweet and funny from what i’ve seen of their content
they currently have four songs... they have time to do a girl crush concept. with the way you worded things in this video, it seems like you think that all they're ever going to do is their current concept. give them some time, i'm sure they'll branch out to other things
Ofc i havent watched the full video yet but i will say this.
The concept itself is fine but the issues is the group its for. The members are struggling with the vocal range of the songs including even sometimes wonhee. Not to mention just cus wonhee is cute hybe gotta make the group cute. Its very early tho so im excited to see the full lore (since they might go down the cute but creepy root) and their skill cus in kpop alot of groups start ROUGH
maybe they'll be like twice and transition their concept
Lmao they got a huge hit with magnetic and you think they will change?
why are y’all in the comments already jumping into conclusions knowing damn well they haven’t even had a comeback?? maybe they’ll have a haunted doll concept🤷🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️
enough with this haunted doll concept omg 😭 wonhee’s blank expression won’t suddenly become excellent stage presence bc shes dressed as a doll. plus this concept is still centred around wonhee & only suits her, a haunted doll concept would literally be magnetic with a darker colour scheme
@@MassiveGamingBeast girl i’m tired too i’m only referring to the other comments that wanted that concept💀
Gotta break it. This concept was planned even before the members
Literally, the concept wasn’t ‘centred around wonhee’ the members were chosen based on the concept.
@@MeganIsNotHerewell then they did a bad job
Lol hybe wanted to have their "wounyoung " too. I just feel sorry for the girls . Like their group concept was based on wonhee. Poor chanell she was so talented but she didn't know what hybe planned for her. And newjeans they are so huge and their known for their cute y2k concepts nowonder when illit debuted they were called newjeans wannabes .
I can just agree with you! It’s so sad, I was sure that Yunah would have been one of my most favorite biases but nope, not happening with that concept unfortunately. Instead, I’m rooting for Izna now, I’m really curious what route they will go. I’m really satisfied with their line up so it better be goooood!
No wonder a lot of illit haters are from izna lmao
but IZNA was formed last week and Illit was getting have for many weeks by now
@@ausgod538 hahaha just because I don’t vibe with their content and direction doesn’t mean I‘m a hater. I just don’t stan them currently due to this 😂😂😂 casually liking kpop works like that you know hahaha
@@annabela.1673 izna was formed ladt week but a lot of their fans are runext watchers that hate illit to this day because of that survival
It's always the easily manipulated child over talented adult.
Maybe instead of just a cute concept they could lean towards something more elegant concept, similar to IVE during Eleven and Love Dive, even Off the Record. It’s a good mix of soft and cute with something mature that allows the other members to sing in their actual range. And no, I’m not saying they should copy IVE, I’m just using them as an example.
i’ll say it, the whole point of a survival show is to unite the most talented people, not create a concept AND create a group after, when companies organise survival shows, they need to understand that we aren’t here for the concept, we’re here for the girls/guys competing, we searching for big big potentials, if you already have a concept in mind, you’re not doing it right, i think illit would’ve been less hated if they weren’t from survival show
the survival show as a whole really was so unecessary
I really hate the hate around mokas voice cause you could see in her performances with a darker concept she absolutely ate the vocals so when magnetic released I heard in her voice that she was straining her voice because it just wasn’t a good song for her voice
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I’m almost 21 haha
@@NatashaLkimUr not even 21 and Ur married? Wow!
this was so well put! thank you for this 🥰
It’s refreshing to see someone be candid about the fact that illit gave new jeans vibes. EVERYONE was saying it about them predebut even during the show I remember watchers saying “they’ll gonna for a newjeans look” after seeing them push Wonhee so much. So I find it funny that after MHJ said it too everyone switched up and said they’re nothing alike. They definitely have their distinct differences and personally I won’t confuse them but I can see where others would. Idk why pointing that out is such a bad thing.
I agree with some of the similarities between new jeans and illit mostly just based off the strength of the chill more mellow vibe of their music but the main issue is Hybe’s management of their girl groups. There has never been a company that has debuted girl groups in such close succession nonetheless each eventually ending up being 5 members, it becomes very difficult to differentiate between them because only so many concepts can make money. so now people have to rely on semantics to make illit seem different. belift and hybe really put the girls in an unfortunate position.
Actually it was the other way around. Pre-debut everyone and their mother was saying illit and nj aren’t similar, even tokkis came to “illit”’s defense (more so they didn’t want to be associated with them) and said that they were different. Then illit teased their debut/debuted and everyone was kinda like “…” . It was when MHJ opened her mouth until illit received another hate train (besides their pre-debut one). So many ppl were like “See? Even MHJ says they are similar😂” knowing full well that that woman is crazy. It’s gotten better since then, but I’m sure if MHJ hadn’t opened her mouth, the hate wouldn’t have been as strong
@@hanmirayour wrong before they debuted they went to a fashion show and the article literally calls them new jeans
네가 옳아.
@@cherryamore5812 Wrong again, it wasn’t an article it was an instagram reel by some account, and then people ran with it and called them nj copycats which is when some tokkis started to defend illit
Bruh, I had to stop watching the show a few episodes in because I couldn't stand the bias and rigging. Idec, even if it wasn't rigging it felt like it because the rankings were absurd
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I have a theory I think Youngseo was supposed to be the center of ILLIT but they switched last minute when Youngseo left the group so they put Wonhee as the center instead and centered the whole concept around her which obviously back fired
If BeLift wanted a concept centered around Wonhee yet fits other members too they should’ve opted for a concept similar to IZ*ONE elegant yet still cute
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the concept already existed since 2021 though.. they were just searching for the members that fits the magical anime girls
Well most members don’t so why push it? only wonhee and moka suit it
@@eye_sea they do though, magical girls aren't only cutesy they can be dark, mysterious and tough. yunah gives off sailor jupiter vibes, minju sailor mercury and iroha sailor saturn.
@@nightsky8342 yes but their voices don’t suit it, and they end of the day kpop is about songs instead of looking cute and visuals, jyp knew how to use their singing tones well, it’s clear no one in hybe knows what they are doing 😂😂😂
@@eye_sea now that I agree😭
it's a shame they went with this concept. you would think with the songs belift included in RUN that the group was going to lean more towards an enhypen-ish vibe. instead, they followed a trend, and all trends die out sooner or later. illit needs to find their identity before that happens tbh
They literally just debuted and have hinted at a dark concept in their teasers, their album designs and even mv , we just need to be patient
Sure they’ve just debuted but a debut gives the viewers an insight as to what concept the company wants the group to identify with.
This means when people think of Illit they go straight to thinking very cute concept with small hints of the backroom vibe, but if we’re being honest here most people focus on the cuteness of their concept.
So with Enhypen their debut highlights vampires very clearly and there is some sort of story line that Engenes r trying to decipher like ‘who’s sooha?’ which links between &team who also very clearly have a wolf concept. They also have a WEBTOON which allows fans to indulge in the story line furthering the excitement of each comeback.
Same with NewJeans they have a nostalgic kind of concept that makes the viewers feel like they’re tagging along with a group of friends having fun. They can also experiment with different types of music from different parts of the timeline they are focusing on. Example: most recently their Japanese release ‘supernatural’ was inspired by jack swing music which was popular in the late 80s and early 90’s.
So when we see this introduction to Illit, it kinda puts people who’ve watched RUNEXT off from following the group as we can kinda see the direction it’s going (opposite to RUNEXT songs).
If they do girl crush in the very very very far future then good on them but as of now they have a cute concept and will identify with it until belift chooses to change things up kind of like when Enhypen did future pass the mic (drill music) and bite me (dark concept).
Hope that helps you understand others perspectives
they already have their identity and cute songs were also part of runext
i didn’t watch the tv show but even so i still thought Yuna was not a fit for this cute concept even tho she’s gorgeous and talented, they really did that huh 🤐
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if i didnt see runext, with this concept i wouldnt look TWICE at illit. i agree with you, 4 of 5 dont fit the concept. i dont really like this concept in general... but it's OBVIOUS that everything is centered on wonhee. and im sorry cuz it's giving her more and more UNDESERVED hate. i tried stunning them, but i came to terms with not liking the concept, nor the direction this group has right now. i hope they'll change for the comeback, but im doubtful. my true loss is yunah, that was my pick on runext.. but i cant stan a group that focuses on the member i didnt want to debut (personal preference, really no hate on the child). and this is making me SO SAD.
and if belift new already the type of concept they wanted to get, they should've chosen a different ending for the show... like focus on cute missions, choose wisely between the members THAT FIT the concept.
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the concept is so wrong lmao meanwhile in reality the album sold super well and they have a big hit.
@@ausgod538well no one said they didn’t?
@@Sxyami0 the concept is so wrong so how did they get fans? How are their music selling?
@@ausgod538 Don’t know, all I can say is it’s a cute concept, people always fall for it.
It's so very obvious how none of you watched the show and if you did and still think this, you must be delusional
This is just how a group made up of members voted individually is gonna work, they're not made to work together. This is precisely why this shows used to havw vote manipulation. People just vote for their favorite so the group is gonna end up having members that appeal to different preferences and therefore fit different concepts and don't work the best together in a performance
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This is an interesting perspective on wonhee. I personally like Illit alot and I agree their concept is being used quite a bit, but honestly they crush it and imo one of the best girl groups currently working the concept. That said, I am one who gets really into the details of choreography and performance to further appreciate the effort and work that goes into the performance as a whole, and the members of Illit are unsettingly fantastic technically at what they do, with one exception. Wonhee. Hearing your perspective made something click for me, as I realize the group almost feels balanced with wonhee being in it.
Iroha's dance skills are insane for her age, and her movements and isolation are crazy precise. Yunah is a born to be idol and 2nd all commentary you made with her. Moka and Minju were both solid technically and performance and absolutely distinguished themselves from the rest of R U Next and deserve to be in this lineup. Your commentary is correct, though. Yunah, Iroha, Minju, and Moka blend with one another in harmony to the girl crush concept, but then there is Wonhee. A freight train of cuteness with one of the strongest cases of baby face I've ever seen. Wonhee I feel adds a twist the self evident chemistry of the first 4 members but instead of a break is almost distracting due to the "spice" taking priority over the main course by having her take center, even more so when you consider the center is probably weakest technically in the group.
Where I think our perspectives differ is the perception of the group. I see wonhee strongly harmonizing cute concept against a girl crush concept, (which I personally think was debuted on purpose as a cute concept due to an a) acknowledgment of the saturation of girl crush and B) an effort to not be extremely blatant in coping new jeans and taking market share.)
I think your perception looks at the girls as individuals and what they bring to the table and correctly observes the members being held back by the objectively weaker member and expresses a disappointment of missed opportunity for a member who obviously sticks out in both concept and technical skill.
Ultimately, as a fan, I want good music to be made, and Magnetic and Lucky Girl Syndrome have been on the replay list all summer.
Exception of wonhee lmao wonhee is the third best singer and at least 4th best dancer with much less time in training than the others, shes getting better all he time and its the most popular member. You aren't a fan of anything.
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Absolutely, I really love some of their songs but as a Yunah stan I totally agree, a girl crush concept would have been way way way better for all of them but Wonhee, I don't know if she will be able to fit in other concepts, I really hope so, we'll see about that
If magnetic was clue, belift might be planning to give them a magical element to the concept so hopefully they lean into that
Stanning Illit predebut was a rollercoaster. I found out about them in February and Wonhee was the person that caught my eye first. Finding out about their survival show i really wanted to watch it but i couldn't. The comment section of any runext related vids talked about her so terribly. People even kept saying that she sl*pt with the producers. Nothing makes it right to say that about anyone let alone a 15 year old 😢. After their debut, i feel like Hybe was trying to do what they'd already managed to do successfully. I'm not saying "New jeans 2.0" But i do feel like their current concept was kind of like New jeans' vibe but put a tutu on it. Again I'm not hating the members. i still love them and they're one of my fave groups and i frankly don't understand why some ppl treat them like they chose a concept that only one member can pull off effortlessly. But i still feel like it's more about that and less about building the concept around wonhee. They were trying to do it again if you get what i mean. But it's obviously backfired. If they'd done a girl crush concept, 90% of the hate the group gets would've never started in the first place 😮💨. If what i said is offended any illit stans, don't come for me please. They just debuted so i really hope they chage their concept in the future so every member can reach their full potential.
I disagree. No matter if it was this concept or "girl crush" ILLIT still would've gotten hate. Also, nothing has backfired. Their debut is one of the most successful ones in kpop. They performed at places and had people singing their songs word for word in Korea. Whatever you see online is not always the truth.
@@CandyCane23049 I know that their debut was successful and I already said that I stan them and I honestly have nothing against them. And by 'backfired' I don't mean they aren't successful, I just mean that their public image has been tainted badly since everyone loves hating on girl groups rn. And I know people would've yapped no matter their concept was especially after runext but it makes sense that giving the members concepts that they're great in and songs in their vocal range would've drastically changed the way most of 'super real me ' era went. And Idk what you mean by 'whatever you see online isn't the truth' I stannned them predebut and I saw everything that was happening. I love them but the truth remains that they need a drastic concept change.
Well actually the concept was decided before r u next so practically the survival show was to find members who fit the concept well and wonhee just fit it perfectly. It was said since 2021 illit creative directors have been planning this concept but I guess they could have at least adjusted the concept
I'm so glad you decided to make this video!!
Alot of people was already upset that the lineup was rigged, or their bias didn't make the final line up; so, this only added fuel to the flame and people used this to tear the girls down. Plus, they are a rookie group with developing fan base, so a lot of the negative comments outweighed the good ones. I felt so bad for them, especially when it was the companies fault.
this video was really good and i felt calm watching it. I also almost completely agree
Great video sis this actually summarizes a good point
just so you guys know magnetic is not illits concept their concept is more darker, vintage,90s Japanese group vibe so there could be a possible change
Granted, our production styles are completely different, but it is a genuine struggle for me to get out one 8-10min (-ish) episode per week. So many props for managing six days of long-form episodes in a row. No easy feat.
The filming process is what kills me. I once filmed 3 videos in a row, speaking for an hour and a half straight 😂 my scripts take forever but I always enjoyed writing. UA-cam has consumed my life but I love every second of it and I’m not ready to take a rest
@@NatashaLkim I don't film myself for my videos except for occasional two-second cameos, but recording and editing the audio is the worst part of the production process by far; having to not look stupid at the same time as not sounding stupid is a tall order for me personally. 😅 My visual content is 97% B-roll clips of 10s or less and finding the right clips to use to illustrate my points probably takes 4x as long as recording the actual audio does, but that process is so much less painful for me than the audio. I also genuinely enjoy the scripting process! I jot down ideas whenever they come to me and it never feels like a slog unless I'm having to do a bunch of nitty-gritty research.
Are there less labor-intensive ways I could produce my videos? No question. But does it bring me joy to put out a product I'm proud of? Equally unquestionable.
Either way, I've enjoyed binging your content and wish you all of the success on your UA-cam journey! I love seeing new channels grow from the ground up.
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I agree with you 100%
This time they didn’t focus on the youngest member Iroha but the member that looks youngest who is Wonhee
YESSS THAT WAS THE FIRST THOUGHT I HAD WHEN I EVEN SAW THEIR PHOTO BUT WHEN I SAW THE CLIP I WAS LIKE "YUPPP THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT"
kpop fans praising her for making improvements after debuting is giving me hyewon flashbacks 💀 you're supposed to be great before you debut bruv
right
theres literally nothing u can do abt her debuting, u want ppl to keep hating her?? yall are so odd
@@baggyjeans127 i was making a comparison but okay !! is it hateful to say that someone isn't at the skill level at the time of debuting? idgaf about this group regardless and i don't care about the lineup (nor did i even watch runext). i was just drawing a parallel between what was said in the video + what ppl used to say about a member from another survival show gg
@@xmhcix5310 idgaf, yall are literally fueling an undeserved hate train and it's mad weird, ppl have every right to praise her for improving bcs it's a GOOD thing, the way yall talk abt some of these groups make it seem like that actually did smth wrong, and most likely most of ur favs are just as overrated and underwhelming on stage but yall aint ready for that convo
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bruh not only is wonhee younger but she only got a couple months of training before the show
I think Moka also fits the cute vibe along with Wonhee
I feel like Wonhee hate has been blown completely out of proportion. That being said, I think it's cruel to put such a young girl on display to the entire world. Not only that, but so obviously favor her. It's like they wanted her to be endlessly hated on by kpop stans. Even when younger idols are talented, I feel like there are plenty of older trainees who possess the same talents that they can debut instead. I get cute concepts but it just feels so wrong to support this.
Yeah honestly I’m super pissed at BeLift for setting Wonhee up like this. They emphasized how short a time she had been training, and then kept giving her immense praise over the course of the show with only a bit of criticism here and there (mostly at the beginning) and kept focusing on how much she was improving-yet turned around and were heavily critical of other, older trainees who had more experience and who were objectively more skilled and more charismatic performers than Wonhee. Which is going to and 100% piss a lot of viewers off! And make it so that if/when she does debut, she already has an (undeserved, bc she herself did nothing wrong) hate train following her.
Then the backlash against the hate ended up landing on anyone who didn’t want Wonhee to debut even if they didn’t hate her, so then you have another subsection of people who feel invalidated for being frustrated about the favoritism BeLift was showing because the second you go, “I think there were plenty of other girls who deserved to debut before her and BeLift did them dirty,” you immediately get attacked as a “hater.” So again, you have resentment building up toward BeLift, ILLIT, even Wonhee herself, all because of BeLift’s machinations.
Edit; regarding younger trainees debuting before older, just as skilled if not more skilled trainees, it just reminds me of a quote from My Hero Academia: “This is about Midoriya's incredible growth, right? But... When he starts at level one and you're at level 50... Naturally you'll be growing at different rates."
Just because a young trainee was able to show rapid growth when starting from level 1 doesn’t mean that the trainees who had been training for years to reach the level 50 they were on during RUNext were any less deserving to debut.
This happened with Kendall in Vcha and it’s sad bc the show made her oook so bad despite being praised for it? She Lucikly improved a lot but the hate train would have been avoided if they were honest with feedback and she actually improved and showed why she deserves to debut. But yeah I felt the same way with R u next so I’m glad I stopped watching after episode 2.
@@thylionheart I’m not trying to undermine the achievements of younger trainees in general (being able to debut so young is genuinely impressive)
But I think the trainees that were at lv 50 probably deserved it just a bit more no?
Because no matter how much progress is made, shouldn’t it have been made during training years?
Like it’s good to see idols improve from not being able to sing to being able to hold a note, but shouldn’t that work been done as a trainee? If not what’s the point?
BeLift basically showed they had older and incredibly competent talent and decided to heavily promote younger idols so they’d debut. Which seems unprofessional on THEIR part.
(Again I’m not tryna bring down the idols, I just think they’re company is incredibly irresponsible)
It is clear as water that be:lift wanted to make the next newjeans, and if they wanted to do that, it's fine, BUT WHY COULDN'T THEY CHOOSE TRAINEES THAT ACTUALLY FIT THE DREAMCORE/CUTE CONCEPT!?!?!?!?😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Im just mad they did a survival show...
This convo frustrates me because while I agree Magnetic could have been executed much better for all the members, it makes a lot of sense to maintain a cuter concept when you have a group with extremely young members. They can shift the concept as they grow up, and their skills will evolve over time. I hope they shift over into something similar to early Weki Meki and early Itzy.
But people really need to relax. We all remember how NMIXX's debut was considered distatrous, but they are thriving now.
That’s the point of her video.
The group was built around wonhee (no hate).
Your second point on growth is what a training period is for. You are supposed to improve your skills and abilities in preparation for debuting.
And through a survival show where skills are vital to excel and have a shot at debuting, you need to give it your all and show off/prove that what you have been training months or years is worth the hard work in the end.
Survival shows are for people who are ready to debut.
Of course along the way after debuting, the idols will grow in abilities like Jake of enhypen but it’s completely different when you debut an idol who has only trained 2 months prior to the survival show while other very skilled and older, legal of aged contestants have trained 3-5 years, sometimes 8 years to have the opportunity to debut.
I’m not saying that wonhee doesn’t deserve to debut but compared to the other contestants who were brutally scrutinised and eliminated for their small mistakes, wonhee debuting 1st does not make any sense and the adults are fully to blame here.
These judges genuinely made me want to rip my hairs out because of the clear favouritism towards contestants and we knew that they would get their way in the end.
As someone who watched r u next, and has followed illit since pre-debut I agree with all of this. I love Wonhee and I’m so proud of her for improving as she has, but, BUT the formation around Wonhee has to stop. It’s genuinely just crazy. These girls are just being hidden away. ESPECIALLY Yunah and iroha. It’s even the styling too. The bad styling for Yunah and Iroha needs to stop, iroha’s bangs, and yunah’s ugly clothing is crazy. Giving iroha bright hair colours and weird bangs can only make me think she’ll just get the Gowon and Vivi treatment despite being one of the most amazing dancers and performers in the 5th Gen. all the potential is wasted! As an Iroha bias it especially makes me angry and I am honestly kind of taken aback as to why no illit fans (that I’ve seen) are even talking about this topic. It’s a huge problem.
the concept is so wrong lmao meanwhile in reality the album sold super well and they have a big hit. youre no fan and dont love anything.
Thanks for sharing your insights! I love hearing your opinions so I'm wondering if you have time could you also share your thoughts on U&IS? They are also from a survival show Universe Ticket and are known as Illit rival since they debuted at the same time. If you have time, please do share your thoughts! Thank you ❤️
All I want to say was that Sakura is the real winner of Produce 48.
No. Wonyoung is more talented
yeah she can transition into a career in Korea which is so cool coming from being a fully dedicated jpop idol
even still can't sing while standing. which at least wonyoung can do.
period.
I know this has nothing to do with the video but you’re so pretty!!!! 🥰
It’s so true. To build a group just for one member who can’t even make normal face expressions. Like really she always makes the same face expression. And how a company tries to stand her out but fails that brings only more hate to her. This group I wrong since beginning.
Shes literally the most popular member
@@ausgod538most hated too unfortunately, and definitely least talented in vocals and dance
I don't know a lot about kpop reality shows but, why make the show in the first place if you are going to rig the winner? Just release the group
i think they make k-pop reality shows to create hype around the trainees the company likes, so when they debut they can have a solid fan base as soon as they debut. (i’m not too sure though as i’m more knowledgeable about survival shows for temporary groups 😓)
but she wasn’t rigged in? she was the only actually chosen by votes
@@meowzinzinwell, that kind of defeats the purpose if they are not going to choose the members according to the individual contestants popularity (global and in sk)
@@hanmira i still see illit have fans even if though the final lineup was predetermined. people may stan them because they ultimately don’t care about the rigging or not know about the reality show. mnet did the same thing with i*zone and x1 and even other groups, though people weren’t aware at the time and only had fan theories before the investigation came out.
@@meowzinzin yes illit has a lot of stans, but I’ve never seen so much hate for a group that was formed through a survival show. I can’t say for sure but I think even if it came out before iz*ones debut that the lineup was rigged, like genuinely rigged (manipulating the votes instead of company picks), people would still not be as mad because the few people that got rigged in were liked enough for people to still stan them, while for illit, Wonhee & Iroha are minors so people already disliked them, and Moka was (according to people who watched the show) talented “but just there”
you worded this perfectly i completely agree with you
also can we not call them dozens in any light whatsoever 😭 you stated they’re talented, and they’re proving their talent with their vocals and dance and stage presence in ILLIT, they are nowhere near dozens
They are talented as heeellll I don’t think u understood me. I meant that their concept is limiting what we know they’re capable of. I said it makes them LOOK like dozens. Not that they are dozens
@@NatashaLkim in my personal opinion i think the concept is perfectly fine 🤷♀️ it fits all the members well, especially wonhee, minju and moka, and iroha and yunah do a perfectly good job at making the concept their own. i agree magnetic isn’t a song that helps showcase their talents well enough, but i wouldn’t go as far as to say it makes them look like dozens
@@NatashaLkim I completely understand why you feel that way, but I do still think it's a little unfair to claim. I think ILLIT's concept fits them very well & I don't think groups should go the girlcrush/mature adjacent route JUST so they don't look like "dozens". Magnetic was a really good debut song imo, I don't personally believe that all groups need to do something hard hitting to prove themselves worthy, I think that can be done over time! This isn't particularly directed towards you, just this comment, but I'm getting a bit tired of western fans claiming groups who do softer/cuter adjacent concepts are "limiting" themselves... Because I don't think girl groups should be limited to only doing concepts that "prove" their talents.
off topic completely but i'm gonna need a makeup tutorial you're gorgeous girl 😭