l thank you for the video these are the saws I grew up with cutting firewood with when I was a kid still have a Mccoulough mini mac 25 needs alittle work but will run again thanks
Thanks for the new vid! As a logger I love the saw videos. Love the vintage stuff even if I do my production cutting with my Husqvarna’s, I love to pull out the old Mac’s and Homelite. Just got a Blue and white Homelite Xl 12. Can’t I wait to get it running
..that little John Deere saw is a re-badged Echo..not extremely powerful, but well-built...I love those Mini-Mac's-as long as they are running right...it's when you have to work on them, like the Stihl 031's, that they become no fun..:(....I really like the Partner, Mac 600 and Homelite XL, but your real jewels here are the PM 700 and the Pioneer P-50!.. :)
The John Deere is definitely a KIORITZ-ECHO, nicely made with with medium power. Mini Mac,s are my favorite mini saw, but are terrible to work on and are allergic to hot weather, just like me. The first chainsaw I started with in 1980 was a Mac Pro Mac 610. Still on the job today. I slowly expanded my Mac collection to bigger saws, when I had larger wood available, As time went on, I was given some Pioneers, and found them to be as good as the Mac,s. These are the two main brands I use for most of my woodcutting. I have 2 Partners, and they are well engineered power houses. My XL 12,s I have only had for a year, and I like them and use them also. I only have 3 Stihls, all gifts, an 031, 051, and 075. I dont use them much, but people at the engine and tractor shows like to see them. I dont own or want any Husky,s. I had a 371 once, and my Pro Mac 700 would eat it for breakfast.
The oil I run is the key to the long life of my saws, but is no longer available. It is Bardahl VBA. I bought out a warehouse stash when I found out that they were phasing it out, and still have several years supply left. All my other 2 strokes use either Golden Spectro or Yamalube. All 3 are partial synthetic. The Spectro is the best of the 2, but is super expensive. Dont use full synthetic in old 2 strokes, especially saws.
Nice channel..i have a couple of 610s../timber bears great saw...i have a coil with no spark..have you had any look geting one of thes coils to spark again??
I have never had a coil fail on any of my Mac's, but there is no repair to fix them other than to replace them if they go bad. The McCulloch part number for a new coil is 95553. Check your ignition switch to see if it has failed before condeming the coil.
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 I checked the switch with a multimeter..for continuity and it checks out..i had to get one before for a 610 coil probably went bad due to being left up and ingress of moisture..i have heard of people putting them in an oven to dry them out and revive them..i must give it a try as i have 2 bad coils now💪
Very unusual to have a couple failed coils. Are these on Timber Bears? If so they were made in Mexico, and could be of suspect quality, although they have lasted a long time..@@fearghalmorrissey2601
Best wishes, from England. Love the old Pioneer P50, cuts great. Always good to see you work on and operate the vintage machines. I have a P41, which runs well. Has a nice adjustable auto-oiler. The saw did not have felling spikes, but I made some, using hardened steel sheet, and by following an original pattern. I look forward to watching your videos.
It is the only one I have, so I want to keep it, as I dont have any other saw in the same size and power range to replace it. They are kinda hard to find, as they were used in the commercial market in the PNW and were used up.
I got the carb rebuilt for my 610. The eBay dealer sent me the wrong rebuild kit. It needs a K10- HDB and they sent me a K10-HDC. The needle was to long and the pumping side diaphragm and gasket were wrong. I got the correct kit from a local dealer. It now will pressurize up when before it was the Titanic. When was mine made - SN PM 6000241C if you know.
Well I will look forward to your assessment of the Mac 610. You need to remember that this was not a pro saw, but a farm/home owner saw. The number you have is the model number, not the serial number. The metal tag should have both. I have never been able to find a serial number listing for them, so at this point I have no way of determining when it was made
That is unusual, as all my saws (6) have the same model number as yours, were made over lot of years (1978-1999), and some have a different letter at the end of the numbers, but they all have a serial number on the tags as well, so my guess is that yours was not stamped for some unknown reason.@@johnclarke6647
All of the 610 series saws came with a chain brake, but several of mine had them removed before I obtained them. and I actually dont like them.@@johnclarke6647
Many of the vintage chainsaws are not any good when compared to even the low-mid range saws of today. They were slow, heavy and cumbersome, even dangerous to use. Most of these actual vintage saws were quality built with amazing, unique designs. That is why I have collected these saws. I like to see them running, but wouldn't think of using them for actual work. There are some saws that were made later at the time of the Mcculloch 610 (late 70's, early 80's) that were very good saws. Very good power/weight ratios, balance, ergonomics. Not like the.... for homeowner built 610. If you look for a Jonsered, Dolmar, Husqvarna in that era, they perform.
The early saws were heavy and slow, but for their time were way better than a hand saw. Later on when their were a bunch of saw makers, a lot of them were not very good. Companies like Homelite, McCulloch etc. were by far the best. I am not a pro wood cutter, so the saws like the Mac 610, 10-10, Homelite XL's are adequate for my needs, and have a big advantage over the Dolmars, Husky's, Stihls of the same era, in that parts are available for them. I was recently given a Stihl 051 that needed a starter cup. Stihl doesnt even recognize that they ever sold such a part, yet the starter pulley for my Mac 610 is readily available for $10. I have had Husky's and Stihls that were from the same era as the saws I use, and they just wore out and parts availability to fix them was non-existant. None of Macs have ever worn out or had any failures in over 40 years of use, and the few parts to replace common wear parts are easy to find and inexpensive. I collect older brand X saws and get them running just for the fun of it, but the Macs and Pioneers are still on the job, and the Swedes have been recycled and are probably part of a casting on a car somewhere.
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 I agree with you about the parts being easy to find for the Mac 610. I think much of that reason is they are worth more as parts saws than fixed, and get parted out. Those 605,610 saws were cheap, sold in large numbers and often were not used much, so you can find them like new and still cheap.I think the 10-10, and the SXL were the best homeowner saws. The Jonsereds, Dolmars etc were used up and fixed as long as possible. Not as many around, partly because they are held on to, but they are out there, and any part can be found if you look hard. The 051 Stihl, I think had that Fairbanks Morse recoil starter that was a weak point, but I think it too can be found. If you don't want that 051, I'd be interested in trading. I too like the brand X saws, I usually don't try to get them running, I like the odd colors. I'm a subscriber, I like your channel.
The parts I was refering to for the Mac 610's are new old stock. I have never had to search much for the few pieces I have needed to keep them in operation. The Stihl 051 was a gift from a friend, and I couldnt find the starter cup new or used, but the person who gave it to me contacted a relative who had a 051 that had a scored cylinder, and I ended up with it, and the starter cup is in good useable shape. That Fairbanks starter was a poor choice by Stihl. They corrected it by changing the design, but to upgrade would have been a challenge, as you need a different side cover and starter assembly and a different flywheel. I like my old 610's not because they are the greatest saw, but they do the job well and dont require much in repairs. Thanks for watching and subscribing@@doubledeuce5084
Make sure you get your flu shot this year. I got mine the other day, the Senior variety. I also went over my vaccinations with my primary care doctor, yesterday, and there is a new, better, shingles vaccine. It is a ten year vaccine. I am scheduled for it next month and am getting my COVID booster on Veterans Day. She said I was wise to wait a couple of weeks between each vaccination, which I will do. It ain’t nothing like those I got at Parris Island - about 20 in one day. Yellow fever was the worst one. Half my platoon passed out from it. Not me, I was not about to show my DI’s thatnI was a wus.
I feel good when people throw out old quality stuff and I can get it for beans. Remember not all of the old things are quality. Great video's!
You are right about a lot of old stuff not being that good, but today almost all stuff is crap. Thanks for watching.
I love the content of this channel, keep up the good work!
Awesome! Vintage saws are a blast to run👍
Great saws and video--Thanks --I also collect and cut wood with the old ones--good stuff
Man that McCulloch 700 cuts good with that sharp chain !!!
The Pro Mac 700 has the perfect balance of power, light weight and durability.
Nice colection ... I like your taste in chainsaws
I have a pioneer p50... And i was thinking of buying a mcculough pro mac 700 but my wife made me quit the idea -.-
Nice comparison of the different sounds. The small McCulloch reminded me of my 18cc Kawasaki TD18 motor, one of my favorites
l thank you for the video these are the saws I grew up with cutting firewood with when I was a kid still have a Mccoulough mini mac 25 needs alittle work but will run again thanks
Thank you very good 👍video
Sounds like you have them all tuned really well. Nice saws.
Thanks for the new vid! As a logger I love the saw videos. Love the vintage stuff even if I do my production cutting with my Husqvarna’s, I love to pull out the old Mac’s and Homelite. Just got a Blue and white Homelite Xl 12. Can’t I wait to get it running
My 610 with a 20” MAC bar weighs 20.25# fully loaded was gas and bar oil.
That is pretty much what these saws weigh. Mine vary slightly due to bar brands and lengths.
..that little John Deere saw is a re-badged Echo..not extremely powerful, but well-built...I love those Mini-Mac's-as long as they are running right...it's when you have to work on them, like the Stihl 031's, that they become no fun..:(....I really like the Partner, Mac 600 and Homelite XL, but your real jewels here are the PM 700 and the Pioneer P-50!.. :)
The John Deere is definitely a KIORITZ-ECHO, nicely made with with medium power. Mini Mac,s are my favorite mini saw, but are terrible to work on and are allergic to hot weather, just like me. The first chainsaw I started with in 1980 was a Mac Pro Mac 610. Still on the job today. I slowly expanded my Mac collection to bigger saws, when I had larger wood available, As time went on, I was given some Pioneers, and found them to be as good as the Mac,s. These are the two main brands I use for most of my woodcutting. I have 2 Partners, and they are well engineered power houses. My XL 12,s I have only had for a year, and I like them and use them also. I only have 3 Stihls, all gifts, an 031, 051, and 075. I dont use them much, but people at the engine and tractor shows like to see them. I dont own or want any Husky,s. I had a 371 once, and my Pro Mac 700 would eat it for breakfast.
Another great video, can l ask what oil you run and is it a semi or fully synthetic? regards alan.
The oil I run is the key to the long life of my saws, but is no longer available. It is Bardahl VBA. I bought out a warehouse stash when I found out that they were phasing it out, and still have several years supply left. All my other 2 strokes use either Golden Spectro or Yamalube. All 3 are partial synthetic. The Spectro is the best of the 2, but is super expensive. Dont use full synthetic in old 2 strokes, especially saws.
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 thank you sir!
Your welcome.@@alanreynolds2125
Love the line up there sir as always great info hope you have a good week.
Sweet. I run my vintage saws more than my newer husky and stihl. Absolutely more satisfying.
Nice channel..i have a couple of 610s../timber bears great saw...i have a coil with no spark..have you had any look geting one of thes coils to spark again??
I have never had a coil fail on any of my Mac's, but there is no repair to fix them other than to replace them if they go bad. The McCulloch part number for a new coil is 95553. Check your ignition switch to see if it has failed before condeming the coil.
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 I checked the switch with a multimeter..for continuity and it checks out..i had to get one before for a 610 coil probably went bad due to being left up and ingress of moisture..i have heard of people putting them in an oven to dry them out and revive them..i must give it a try as i have 2 bad coils now💪
Very unusual to have a couple failed coils. Are these on Timber Bears? If so they were made in Mexico, and could be of suspect quality, although they have lasted a long time..@@fearghalmorrissey2601
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 one 610 and one timber bear i bought them that way ive had a few...brilliant saw 😎
Got spark..i heated the coil up a couple times with a heat gun..must have been moisture in it
Best wishes, from England. Love the old Pioneer P50, cuts great. Always good to see you work on and operate the vintage machines. I have a P41, which runs well. Has a nice adjustable auto-oiler. The saw did not have felling spikes, but I made some, using hardened steel sheet, and by following an original pattern. I look forward to watching your videos.
Many thanks!
Great video!!!!
That pro mac 700 is sweet sir!!!! Ide trade just about any saw I have for that beast!! if you ever want to sell it just let me know how much!!
It is the only one I have, so I want to keep it, as I dont have any other saw in the same size and power range to replace it. They are kinda hard to find, as they were used in the commercial market in the PNW and were used up.
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 fair enough, I totally understand that! That thing certainly is a beauty tho!
All i run are 610s and 650s. Turn it over and drill a hole in the dimples on the mufler ....3 in all. then turn up the crab and they well sing 😉
I got the carb rebuilt for my 610. The eBay dealer sent me the wrong rebuild kit. It needs a K10- HDB and they sent me a K10-HDC. The needle was to long and the pumping side diaphragm and gasket were wrong. I got the correct kit from a local dealer. It now will pressurize up when before it was the
Titanic. When was mine made - SN PM 6000241C if you know.
Well I will look forward to your assessment of the Mac 610. You need to remember that this was not a pro saw, but a farm/home owner saw. The number you have is the model number, not the serial number. The metal tag should have both. I have never been able to find a serial number listing for them, so at this point I have no way of determining when it was made
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 that’s what is on the metal tag 6000215C
That is unusual, as all my saws (6) have the same model number as yours, were made over lot of years (1978-1999), and some have a different letter at the end of the numbers, but they all have a serial number on the tags as well, so my guess is that yours was not stamped for some unknown reason.@@johnclarke6647
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 mine has a chain break, which tells me it was a later saw.
All of the 610 series saws came with a chain brake, but several of mine had them removed before I obtained them. and I actually dont like them.@@johnclarke6647
Many of the vintage chainsaws are not any good when compared to even the low-mid range saws of today. They were slow, heavy and cumbersome, even dangerous to use. Most of these actual vintage saws were quality built with amazing, unique designs. That is why I have collected these saws. I like to see them running, but wouldn't think of using them for actual work. There are some saws that were made later at the time of the Mcculloch 610 (late 70's, early 80's) that were very good saws. Very good power/weight ratios, balance, ergonomics. Not like the.... for homeowner built 610. If you look for a Jonsered, Dolmar, Husqvarna in that era, they perform.
The early saws were heavy and slow, but for their time were way better than a hand saw. Later on when their were a bunch of saw makers, a lot of them were not very good. Companies like Homelite, McCulloch etc. were by far the best. I am not a pro wood cutter, so the saws like the Mac 610, 10-10, Homelite XL's are adequate for my needs, and have a big advantage over the Dolmars, Husky's, Stihls of the same era, in that parts are available for them. I was recently given a Stihl 051 that needed a starter cup. Stihl doesnt even recognize that they ever sold such a part, yet the starter pulley for my Mac 610 is readily available for $10. I have had Husky's and Stihls that were from the same era as the saws I use, and they just wore out and parts availability to fix them was non-existant. None of Macs have ever worn out or had any failures in over 40 years of use, and the few parts to replace common wear parts are easy to find and inexpensive. I collect older brand X saws and get them running just for the fun of it, but the Macs and Pioneers are still on the job, and the Swedes have been recycled and are probably part of a casting on a car somewhere.
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 I agree with you about the parts being easy to find for the Mac 610. I think much of that reason is they are worth more as parts saws than fixed, and get parted out. Those 605,610 saws were cheap, sold in large numbers and often were not used much, so you can find them like new and still cheap.I think the 10-10, and the SXL were the best homeowner saws. The Jonsereds, Dolmars etc were used up and fixed as long as possible. Not as many around, partly because they are held on to, but they are out there, and any part can be found if you look hard. The 051 Stihl, I think had that Fairbanks Morse recoil starter that was a weak point, but I think it too can be found. If you don't want that 051, I'd be interested in trading. I too like the brand X saws, I usually don't try to get them running, I like the odd colors. I'm a subscriber, I like your channel.
The parts I was refering to for the Mac 610's are new old stock. I have never had to search much for the few pieces I have needed to keep them in operation. The Stihl 051 was a gift from a friend, and I couldnt find the starter cup new or used, but the person who gave it to me contacted a relative who had a 051 that had a scored cylinder, and I ended up with it, and the starter cup is in good useable shape. That Fairbanks starter was a poor choice by Stihl. They corrected it by changing the design, but to upgrade would have been a challenge, as you need a different side cover and starter assembly and a different flywheel. I like my old 610's not because they are the greatest saw, but they do the job well and dont require much in repairs. Thanks for watching and subscribing@@doubledeuce5084
Make sure you get your flu shot this year. I got mine the other day, the Senior variety. I also went over my vaccinations with my primary care doctor, yesterday, and there is a new, better, shingles vaccine. It is a ten year vaccine. I am scheduled for it next month and am getting my COVID booster on Veterans Day. She said I was wise to wait a couple of weeks between each vaccination, which I will do. It ain’t nothing like those I got at Parris Island - about 20 in one day. Yellow fever was the worst one. Half my platoon passed out from it. Not me, I was not about to show my DI’s thatnI was a wus.
Are you in Washington state?
I can only admit to living in the PNW.