Long distance shooting with longbow, recurve, or selfbow - Archery Tips
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2018
- A while back I posted a very popular video about using the gap aiming method to improve accuracy and consistency for shooing longbows, recurves, or selfbows. This video will cover another aiming method that I use when long distance shooting beyond my point on distance. With gap shooting, you are estimating the distance below your intended target where your arrow tip is superimposed on the target or ground in front of the target. But, as you extend your shots beyond your point on distance you run into the problem of loosing sight of your target due to your bow hand rising so high that it covers it up. This is where Point of Aim comes in handy.
Point of aim is basically the same concept as gap aiming. But instead of estimating the gap while still concentrating on the target, as with gap aiming, you totally ignore the target and concentrate on another point. For example, at 20 yards, my gap is around 18 inches with the bow and arrow I’m currently shooting. So with gap aiming, I concentrate on the bulls eye while accounting for my arrow tips position 18 inches below it but in my peripheral vision. With point of aim, I would pick a spot 18 inches below the bulls eye and concentrate solely on that spot, placing the tip of my arrow there. When I make a good release the arrow strikes 18 inches above where I was concentrating, right in the bull eye.
This method has pretty much no applicability in bowhunting but it can come in very handy when making longer shots at 3D courses or when stump shooting. And besides, hitting distant targets with a stickbow is just plain fun. So now that we’ve got the basics out of the way, lets look at how this helps with long distance bow shooting. As mentioned previously, when shooting beyond my point on distance I loose sight of the bulls eye so gap shooting does me no good. Because I can’t see the bulls eye I have to pick another spot to aim at. For example, at 45 yards, I have to aim about 18 inches above what I want to hit. So I simply pick a point of aim 18 inches above my intended target and put my point on that spot. Then all I have to do is execute a perfect shot and the arrow should drop right into the bulls eye! Easy as pie. If you're unsure of your archery form and need some tips for shooting a recurve bow accurately, check out some of my other videos with tips and techniques showing how to shoot a bow.
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Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
LOVE the tutorial video: there can NEVER be enough "How I Practice" videos, because EVERY single archer can find themselves sharing what might be a simple, tiny "insight" to them, but may be JUST "the thing" another archer has been seeking to help perfect their own shooting.
For those of you who are open to exploring additional tips & techniques to possibly incorporate into your own shooting methods & styles, I humbly offer this:
COMBINE:
String Walking with FINGER WIDTHS (whole, half, quarter, eighth)
for PRECISE ARROW ELEVATION SETTING from the REAR of the bow
AND Anchoring UNDER the chin
for DRAMATICALLY increased ARROW RANGE even out to 120 yds
AND sighting down the left string edge as a "rear sight"
for COMPOUND-like ACCURACY
AND using the ARROW TIP as a "front pin"
again for COMPOUND-like ACCURACY
... and TOGETHER you have a FORMIDABLE SHOOTING METHOD which eliminates the weaknesses in many popular barebow shooting methods, but which even newbies and experienced archers can learn in 5 minutes...
Here's a video of me using this method to shoot an ordinary hunting recurve bow and common $6 hunting arrows at 100 YDS, and hitting 5 of 6 ON-TARGET even in a cross wind !
IMAGINE how accurate YOU can instantly become at distances from 10m to 50m to 70m and everything in between!
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Again, changes aren't for everyone, but for archers looking to improve their long-distance range and accuracy, this method might be something you'll find interesting.
KEEP UP THE GREAT VIDEOS !
I shoot instinctive and am now shooting "instinctive aiming" beyond 25-30 yards. I very much respect you aimers as you are as accurate as i always want to be.
I've been instinctive shooting all my life and doing it from distance with any degree of consistency is HARD. I'm not a gap shooter and I guess that puts me at a disadvantage accuracy-wise but the sensation of hitting a distant target without "aiming" is absolutely awesome. Today I had one bull at 70 yards. And I managed to hit a 4'x4' target at 100 yards. So much fun if you dont mind hunting for or losing a few arrows!
Amen! When I was young, I told my grandfather I couldn't get my 5 arrow quiver into the vital ring at past 30 yards: He just said "Well, shoot it at 20 then." 🙄
The snake in that bow is insane!!! Enjoyed the vid.
Just terrific, Clay. Once again, easy to understand, and very informative.
Thanks David
Us old guys who grew up in field archery are well acquainted with long distance shooting. Knowing what your point-on is can be very advantageous to your accuracy, even at short distance, as if fines down your aiming system. Even for us old 'stinctors.
Good info Clay. Thanks for posting.
New archer. Now I know why my arrows are all hitting knock left and that I don't need to worry about it yet. Thanks. Great video.
Really cool video as always Clay!!
This is EXACTLY how I shoot my selfbows and longbows at distances of 45+ yards. Its something I came up with after years of shooting instinctively and trying to find a way to hit targets that are too far out, where I would I have to hold my bow so high, that the riser and my hand would completely cover the target and I can't see it anymore.
The method you describe works absolutely fine. You won't always hit with the first arrow, especially over 45 yards out, but the chances are good, and even better that you hit with the 2nd or 3rd arrow. It wont be luck anymore, but you can conciously make up for the high distance!
Amazing. Thanks for your videos Clay!
Glad you like them!
Great video! Thanks from a 60 year old rookie backyard archer!
Very informative instruction...thank you. My own experience with 'point of aim' is that it is extremely productive in both the field and 3D when one has a 25 yard or less point-on. My own whole stable of bows have a 25 yard point-on's… Ex....deer size target...15 yards and in- place pt 1 inch below heart....20 yards-place tip 1 inch above heart
Thank you for the time you spend making these videos ,,as well all do with archery we are always learning ,and if you aren't then you are not an archer......
Man, I have learned so much from your videos! I missed two whitetails last season but I think I'll have better luck this year.
excellent video! very well explained as always!
Excellent video. I love your teaching style.
Thx for that Perfect Tutorial.it was amazing.
Thanks Clay. Always learn something from you 👍
Thanks Tim
Great video can wait to test it 👍
Very educational .nice shooting man.
Great stuff! Thanks for this bro.
You’re welcome
Very good point about not shooting at great distances while hunting. Regardless of how good you are, all it takes is ONE step of the game animal to make a world of difference.
As you shot, I could invision releasing a safe arrow only to have a child run across the shooting lane. My dog follows me to my archery range and when shooting great distances, I make sure he is with me cuz once I've released..... he could trot 20 paces right into the arrow that is already on it's way with my being helpless of the outcome. Great video!
hi,
in a club you learn the principles of compensation with the distances and the elements (altitude, direction and speed of the wind)
so, when you shoot at 55 yards you know that you have to move down your viewfinder (5.0 without wind, 5.3 till -5.5 if with a force 4-5 face wind) or you decide shoot 30 cm over the center of the target : you can adapt this technical compensation without any viewfinder (with a barebow or a traditional bow)
classic recurve is a good reference before trying traditional bows, really !!
Thanks for the info man. Cheers
THANKS CLAY .. AWESOME !
Thanks for that mate... I’ll give that a try.
Wow, just wow!
Great video, thanks. I really appreciate your closing words about not trying to shoot live game at long distances, it is what I teach/preach yet you still see or hear archers talk about trying it, usually with bad outcomes.
It’s in vogue I suppose.
And crazy. I have talked to guys who brag about shooting deer and bear at 400+ yds. That's not hunting--it's marksmanship!@@clayhayeshunter
love your channel man, you got me into archery, im just starting out
That's awesome
Good stuff, thank you
Great Video! Great explanation! Great point about not shooting that far at live game!
Thanks
awsome tutorial man 👍
I got into Trad Archery about 10 years ago and I spent a whole lot of time diving into this subject. I went as far as cutting down hedge apple trees aka Osage Orange, and split and sold the staves on a "popular trad gang website" as a Contributor of course and made a good chunk of change doing that. I've made several bows for myself and my nephews, and a couple of members on the website. I have also snake skinned bows for several clients.
I get what your saying, instinct shooting didn't come natural for me and I had to Really Work At It. I almost gave up on it at one point, but I stuck with it and I finally saw the arrow fly all the way to the 10 ring, now it's like riding a bike. A few shots with my Fred Bear Kodiak Magnum and I'm flying downhill like a kid on a bike again. I also use a finger tab, but 2 fingers under instead of 3.
BTW- I love the way you live. Way out in the country with a beautiful hill in the back drop. Wife, couple of youngins, a garage...........Looks alot like home to me.
Keep doing what your doing Clay love your videos, that's about as real and rugged as it gets my friend. I'm a subscriber and hit the like button on every single video.
I've got some bamboo in the rafters of my mom's garage that are begging to become a new hybrid longbow, so maybe this winter I'll get right back into it. Also have some laminated blanks for a very cool riser design. Your videos definitely have my wheels turning.
Good job
You’re really humble man I imagine you would be a great teacher
thanks
I didn't realize you were a local. I've been watching your videos for years trying to grasp the traditional bow concepts I have nearly given up.
Explain any topic not by speaking but by doing because I do not understand English, I understand only by seeing. Big fan ❤
Hi Clay ,
A great video and toutorial.What I have to say may amaze you , but at age 85 , I’m the last of the instinctive archers of the ‘60’s. I’ve won many titals (don’t mean to brag), shot with Howard Hill,Ann Weber Hoyt and like you was one of the first to shoot three fingers under . If you are familiar with the NFAA Field round , perfect score is 560 and I averaged 500. I have all 14 pins..I.e. 4 bullseyes at any distance shooting with a group of four. My bow was a Hoyt Pro Medalist 33#@28”. I was a string walker and was very meticulous with the placement of my index finger below the nock . Maximum distance in the Field Round is 80 yards. At any given distance the point of my arrow was never above the bullseye 🎯..
I know you know this tip .. When looking down the bowstring to increase the brace height you rotate the string cw because when you nock your arrow you tend to rotate the string cw and just the opposite if your left handed....AGREED?
I’m at the age where I shoot my Arbelest ..Shot 4deer🦌these past four years.Keep up the good work..Our sport needs you ..Thank you !!
8:00 laughs in lajos kasai, good shooting dude! Love your videos!
You are right! I’ve had a doe whitetail jump string at 25 yards with a compound bow. My shot was perfect, but I spined her. Whitetail are fast!
Nice vid.
This is great for outdoors target shooting
Glad that you emphasized that Bow hunters shouldn't shoot long distances at game just because there able to hit the mark at something stationary. Impressive shot at 45 yards.
Thanks
That is a sweet looking bow
Thanks
I'm a simple boy, when I see the bow in thumbnail. I click it
is this NY-city? :-)
what kind of wood and how long ist this bow?
nice, but why you only need to aim up or down ? i also need to aim to the left or right if i shoot a bow without a shelf or centercut.
this is why split finger shooting comes into play!!!!! it helps with having a good overdraw while your aiming!!!!
I switched over to a fixed crawl a year ago and this method improved my accuracy a lot .....maybe you could do a vid on this style one day ...thanks and great shooting as usual ....
I haven’t been able to make a selfbow that’ll tune with a crawl. But I have ideas!
Can I aim directly at the Bulls eye at 60 m target and shoot exactly at that point using my takedown wooden longbow?
Good afternoon, I have such a problem when shooting, when you put a brush on your cheek and rub it down on the cheek down to the blood, how can I fix this please tell me
wound on the cheek in the region of the index finger during descent,
I rub it with a finger on my cheek
Gap shooting is fully applicable to hunting, if not the idea of placing an aiming point on the target. Many top shooters do it. Gene Wensel is one example of a gap shooter who has racked up a lot of kills.
I suppose not everyone can be millionaire or shoot instinctive but I find it extremely taxing when I tried gap shooting. Although not as accurate or consistent as a gap shooter or site/compound shooter (probably is), I would much rather find that feel and practice varying unknown ranges. This works extremely well for hunting and it truly isn't hard to do. I find that target shooting is a bit harder for me when instinctive but when shooting leaves, stumps or game at different angles and distances, I can usually hold my own quite well. In short, gap shooting takes all the fun out of shooting traditional in my opinion but I can see how it can be the best for some people.
Love longbows
You shoot great anyway
Nice video, thank you. Just for information there are a lot of people in the UK shooting English longbows and all the rest of the bow types at everything up to 100 yards (91 m) and beyond today never mind 100 years ago. The archery rounds are explained here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_archery . The most shot round is probably the Portsmouth (indoor) in the UK because it rains so much! We don't get to hunt with our bows. I've killed so many targets I can't tell you. Nice to hear someone talking sense about archery there is a lot of nonsense around. Keep it up.
Thanks Mike
Nice trick.push that arrow deep so when ya walk up ya don't see it.so you can shot way off and it looks like you made that good job bro.
45 yards on camera looked like 100 yards, nice shot.
can this tschagg wau longtime or only short time how much for longtime?
So, Clay, what I gather about "aiming systems" such as Gap or Point of Aim, is that it is important to know the yardage to the target. Is that correct? I'm a bit slow on the uptake.
In a way yes. But through practice and repetition, the gaps become somewhat instinctive. In other words I don’t estimate yardage. Instead, I just know what my gap looks like at various distances.
When I was 12 I started with a 20 pound slick stick and I always had a positive gab I would be cloud shooting at 50 meters but still hit it beacause I knew my bow so wel
Excellent video. If I may make a suggestion....I think you should move your hay bails back into the pasture behind it. maybe I'm being paranoid but I couldn't help but notice the kids toys next to the house as you walked towards the target. You know.....it's prob one in a million chance a little one could run across that path, or perhaps an adult some day. Not knocking you at all brother....just food for thought. Greta vid, and thanks for posting.
I've been shooting a very long time...I love your presentation and info here...you can always learn something!
3d shooting g and hunting are for sure different...I do shoot a lot more arrows at targets than critters...thanks
perfectly explained. and then you have high poundage bows that make it a whole new story
What's the formula for bowstring length compared to bow height?
soprice me with aiming thank you is so acurate i will try it i knewn it culd work for short distance but on 45 yards inch below is good score
So when you’re talking about gap shooting does that mean that you’re not shooting instinctively with both eyes open ???
Awsome vid Clay, well explained man. I see your still shooting a grizzly! Me to, they are awsome!
My max distance for harvesting a whitetail is 20 yds. or less. Most often my harvested whitetails have been between 7-10 yds.
Great explanation again 👍
Thanks
Windige and elevation hold over hold under. All essential for any hunter to understand the more you do the better you get at it especially if you use the same kit bow or rifle constantly. If you're hungry and get one shot this knowledge is vital and the parameters change depending apone the power of the tool weight of the projectile. A very hard thing to teach anyone.
hard to teach .... no. ballistic arc and dynamic efficiency, changing the elevation of the bow arm gives different effects doing a simple walk back will let you plot arrow drop and find where your point on is (arrow drop at distance = arrow elevation on loose however due to the loss of energy the drop is severe
Morten Jacobsen know how it works and what you are talking about is elevation a 55lb bow shot in a straight line will give you a maximum line of site 30 35 yards any closer hold under any further hold over clay demonstrates that quite clearly at the start it's know different with low velocity fire arms but a highly experienced shot with a 22lr could hit targets at incredibly rangers give that bow or rifle to a new shooter and not explain hold under or over an see how long it takes for them to work it out it's a fact and you can take that all the way to artillery bows are no different
Trevor Or i
In what world would anyone ever be in a "one shot counts" situation, especially with a bow and as a non-soldier...
Thats rather ridiculous.
Im an archer for fun and out of interest, not to know how to kill...
Any thoughts on speed shooting using muscle memory?
I've watched videos of Lars Anderson speed shooting, that was pretty cool.
Speed shooting. What a waste of time.... Make one arrow count..
Maby just a thing to do when you feel like fooling around :) can’t be a bad thing right? I mean if you already know how to shoot “correctly”🤔
if any of you guys want to shoot fast be careful i fucked up my right shoulder when i was shooting as fast as i could and it been 7 weeks still my right should is slightly dislocated in the front and when ever i use my bow or lifting anything my shoulder move forward
cool bow. looks like Oregon, beautiful property I'm jealous I have to drive 25 min just to shoot a pellet gun
North Idaho
first of all 10 seconds in, I feel already as if you are like a great warrior
I’m curious about what people think of Howard Hills claims of shooting and hunting with the longbow at over 100 yards.
👍👍👍
Good boy
thank you! this was very helpful! btw, what is the poundage of your bow???
This bow is about 55 lbs at 29 inches
Looks like you’re also shooting three fingers under I’ve always shot my recurve bow with the arrow in between the middle finger and the index finger so your shooting style is definitely very different from mine but I do like it.
What bow is it and do you sell them
Clay Hayes how to aim 70m if there is no object as point of aim. I shoot in vast grass field and i only see sky at long distance. I really need some tips.
There are other methods such as string walking or face walking that may work for you.
Best way I was ever shown. Get real close to target and put a arrow in it. Take 15 steps back. Aim on the first arrow and shoot. Take 10 steps back put another arrow in. Do this until you miss. Mark the spot on the ground where you are standing. Now move 10 steps closer to the target. Fire 6 to 10 arrows. Now go back to the spot where you missed and shoot 6 to 8 arrows.
The way I shoot the tip of my arrow is at 65 yards. So that really helps when I’m shooting long range however it makes a 30 yard shot a lot more difficult due to a very large gap. I’ve tried switching my anchor point but I haven’t found anything consistent for me. Anyone have any tips on where their anchor point is to shorten my gap?
If you haven’t tried shooting 3 under, give that a try.
I can't afford your books and stuff but I was wondering. If I have a maple tree stave started how long does it have to dry out for or when do I start the process?
It needs to be lower than about 10% moisture content. how long depends on drying conditions.
@@clayhayeshunter I have a warm garage with a heater would that speed up the process? Or slow it down?
When i was a kid i used to put a permanent marker mark every 5 yards on the bow and line up my arrow for the closer distances but would stop when i got to the arrow tip point of aim i guess it was like sites don't know why i stopped doing that i was a great shot back then
That works too!
Dude excellent video. This is how I have been aiming my English longbow. Every explanation of gap shooting has confused me but this video was spot on. Can you give me any advice on arrow selection such as spine, broadhead weight, etc? I shoot 32 inch arrows with a 65 lb longbow. I am pretty confused about which arrows I should purchase for hunting. My bow is not a center shot, so I assume the arrows should have a good amount of flex
measure your actual draw weight held on the fingers first or stay to 10 gpi
Morten Jacobsen thanks man I’ll give that a try
I just did a tuning video. Check it out.
Clay Hayes thanks man!
Using the upper lower limb of your bow as a point of reference gives you no more limit than the range of your bow.
I m kinda weird guy cause i couldn't hit anything target with aimings until i found out capable to hit it with my eyes looking at target dot thats it, i think it's called instinctive shootings?
Nice shot. Your about 6'1, fifty paces I counted, ...
6:30 beautiful shot man xD
Thanks
Ok yeah I was right this video
Saalute to All!
Have you ever practiced lowering your string hand rather than raising your bow hand? I've been thinking about trying that to prevent masking the target.
There is a technique walled face walking that is similar to what you describe.
@@clayhayeshunter I watched The Push so I understand that method. I had a hunter years ago who used three fingers and anchored to the corner of his mouth but would switch which fingers were above or below the nock and which finger he anchored to his mouth depending on the distance. Is that what you mean? It all sounded way too complicated at the time but he was so practiced at it, it was automatic. His mind picked the range and his fingers did the rest by themselves. He kilt a bull at 47 yards straight thru the heart with a 50s vintage Bear. One of those Howard hill types..He just had a notion about the shot and the rest just happened...amazing
What lb of bow are you using in this video.
I can’t remember. Mid 50s probably.
How about simply looking at the smallest point of your target and letting fly. Works for me and is simple.
At long range it might wont work that way because your bowhand might be in the way
What da ya reckon bout string walking like the real bare bow shooters do
It’s a good method but I haven’t found a good way to make it work with a selfbow.
5:45 damn you are ankering long for a primitive bow or is it because of the video to get a good hit?
Hi
BTW: When I was young, I shot a 40 pound wooden hunting bow. (A hand me down from my Father.) I was very near sighted so not a great shot. But I once tested it and shot arrows from under one goal post of a football field to under the goal posts at the other end of the field: perhaps 110 yards. (assuming the goal posts were each set back 5 yards from the goal lines.)
Every time. The camera always makes the target look WAY farther than it actually is. 40yds is a long way in archery for most people but still...damn, it LOOKS like way more with the camera. What is the weight of your bow here?