Thanks for putting this stuff up AH . It definitely helps the viewer gain a sense of place even though it's often an obscure period (Germans covering a lot of their tracks) of recent history.
Interesting,thankyou for taking the effort.I would have been inclined to use a tripod though,the video does shake considerably.Is there not a display in the former granary on this site?
***** I was wondering if you went in the granary as I have seen photo's of some of the display they have in there which consists of items recovered during excavation at various places on the site.You can get a good tripod for £20 or less from the likes of Argos or Maplin.I picked up a good secondhand one not so long ago for a few quid,it does make a major difference I find.
silver760 I know the people who were at the dig and they showed me what was in the store which was quite a lot. I have quite a few films from the area of the former death camp. The trouble with a tripod is lugging it around which is not particularly convenient. I have since got a camera which has automatic stabilisation as you can see from newer films.
I get your point but the thing is Belzec was a 'laboratory' and a place where a number of methods were of mass murder were tried out. Wirth undoubtably was a sadist but also a pragmatist and was looking for the fastest, most efficient way of doing it. It would be unlikely that he didn't know in full detail -if not directly in person-what was happening and therefore learning from Chelmno. The deception process for example, closely resembles the Reinhard one.
Yes, I have heard it referred to as a castle but this is not correct in English. It is a mistranslation from German for Schloss. Schloss, however, also means manor house and that is what this was. I did a lot of videos on this in 2007 and will start to update them on my history site : ua-cam.com/users/alanheath3
Mr. Heath's Polish reminds me of Graham Phillip's Russian. I can hear a British Accent. I do not speak Polskii but I do speak some Russki. I imagine that he probably used good grammar and vocabulary. If you're going to live somewhere it really helps to speak to the local people. You're in their home.
@@VanlifewithAlan Graham is a British Journalist who has been appearing in East Ukraine and Russia. Russians who talked with him claim "He has a definite accent but I understand him just fine".
Well done Alan. Great job from a person, who like you, has a deep interest in this period of history. Waiting to go back again when I can after the pandemic.
I am going with that 'testing ground for National Socialism' in Poland quote and that he ordered Lange to select an appropriate site. I've read that Wirth was in Chelmno but it was on wiki so not the most reliable of sources. However. I think the writer assumed he was there in the role of overseer/inspector gained from his T4 days, .
@@VanlifewithAlan Come on Alan, don't be silly. I watch all your posts with bated breath - you put the best content up on youtube on this topic, as I've told you on many occasions. However, apart from Lanzman's Shoah, Chelmno has not been covered in any depth, even though its importance to the Holocaust was enormous. That's why I was disappointed this time that your phone was wobbling all over the place and that you only told half the story.
If You want to know who were the perpetrators in Chelmno, type in google : thefifthfield ss hauptscharfuhrer johannes runge There they all are and their fates ... Some died in Yugoslavia - with the 7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division “Prinz Eugen” ... Last day of war one train was stopped in Jesenice - now Slovenia with around 2000 Germans inside, soldiers and civilians, around 500 children among them ... Exactly those from "Prinz" division and all their family members ... Did you ever hear what happened to them after Yugoslav partisans got them in their hands ? It is all on the internet.
Thanks for putting this stuff up AH . It definitely helps the viewer gain a sense of place even though it's often an obscure period (Germans covering a lot of their tracks) of recent history.
Was the Chelmno camp a local initiative or was it a pilot for the Reinhard operation and therefore ordered directly from the high command ?
I read that it was the prototype for the Reinhard camps.
Scary even today
Interesting,thankyou for taking the effort.I would have been inclined to use a tripod though,the video does shake considerably.Is there not a display in the former granary on this site?
I do not have a tripod. The former granary is the white building in the background.
*****
I was wondering if you went in the granary as I have seen photo's of some of the display they have in there which consists of items recovered during excavation at various places on the site.You can get a good tripod for £20 or less from the likes of Argos or Maplin.I picked up a good secondhand one not so long ago for a few quid,it does make a major difference I find.
silver760
I know the people who were at the dig and they showed me what was in the store which was quite a lot.
I have quite a few films from the area of the former death camp.
The trouble with a tripod is lugging it around which is not particularly convenient. I have since got a camera which has automatic stabilisation as you can see from newer films.
Thanks.I'll check them out.
Great video as always.
I get your point but the thing is Belzec was a 'laboratory' and a place where a number of methods were of mass murder were tried out. Wirth undoubtably was a sadist but also a pragmatist and was looking for the fastest, most efficient way of doing it. It would be unlikely that he didn't know in full detail -if not directly in person-what was happening and therefore learning from Chelmno. The deception process for example, closely resembles the Reinhard one.
Suchomel said that, that Belzec was a laboratory.
Alan, was "the castle" and the manor house the same place ?
Yes, I have heard it referred to as a castle but this is not correct in English. It is a mistranslation from German for Schloss. Schloss, however, also means manor house and that is what this was. I did a lot of videos on this in 2007 and will start to update them on my history site : ua-cam.com/users/alanheath3
@@VanlifewithAlan Thank you Alan.
God bless the Victims!
Hey thank you so much for your videos, Im doing a report on Chelmno, And now i cant picture what happened...thanks
Still remember that poor woman, "We called them Hell Vans. The hells are coming".
"When are they coming for us?" would be on my mind.
Even with these primitive facilities these animals managed to murder 1/4 of a million human beings. The SS were the scourge of the Earth.
Mr. Heath's Polish reminds me of Graham Phillip's Russian. I can hear a British Accent. I do not speak Polskii but I do speak some Russki.
I imagine that he probably used good grammar and vocabulary. If you're going to live somewhere it really helps to speak to the local people. You're in their home.
I don't know who Graham is but it is normal to hear an accent of the first language of the speaker.
@@VanlifewithAlan Your Polish is MUCH better than my Russian. I've heard you speak, and I hear me speak.
@@VanlifewithAlan Graham is a British Journalist who has been appearing in East Ukraine and Russia.
Russians who talked with him claim "He has a definite accent but I understand him just fine".
@Gookbuster1 Source of wikipedia? Or don't you bother - you just make things up as you go along?
Well done Alan. Great job from a person, who like you, has a deep interest in this period of history. Waiting to go back again when I can after the pandemic.
I am going with that 'testing ground for National Socialism' in Poland quote and that he ordered Lange to select an appropriate site. I've read that Wirth was in Chelmno but it was on wiki so not the most reliable of sources. However. I think the writer assumed he was there in the role of overseer/inspector gained from his T4 days, .
Why were you so sloppy with the filming and why did you stop in the middle?
That is the best I could do under the circumstances. If it is not good enough for you then I suggest you look elsewhere.
@@VanlifewithAlan Come on Alan, don't be silly. I watch all your posts with bated breath - you put the best content up on youtube on this topic, as I've told you on many occasions. However, apart from Lanzman's Shoah, Chelmno has not been covered in any depth, even though its importance to the Holocaust was enormous. That's why I was disappointed this time that your phone was wobbling all over the place and that you only told half the story.
Video is from 15 years ago. He was just getting started.
If You want to know who were the perpetrators in Chelmno, type in google : thefifthfield ss hauptscharfuhrer johannes runge There they all are and their fates ... Some died in Yugoslavia - with the 7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division “Prinz Eugen” ... Last day of war one train was stopped in Jesenice - now Slovenia with around 2000 Germans inside, soldiers and civilians, around 500 children among them ... Exactly those from "Prinz" division and all their family members ... Did you ever hear what happened to them after Yugoslav partisans got them in their hands ? It is all on the internet.
200.000-240.000 ???
in Chelmno was arroud 400.000
No, I know of no modern estimate that high.
Some estimates are 152,000 to 180,000 people.
Chełmnoo ;D