Building a world-class sales org | Jason Lemkin (SaaStr)

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  • Jason Lemkin created and runs SaaStr, the world’s largest community for B2B/SaaS founders, and is the managing director of SaaStr Fund, a $90 million venture capital firm specializing in early-stage enterprise investments. He is also the mastermind behind two major tech conferences each year-one in the Bay Area, drawing in over 15,000 people, and another in Europe, with a crowd of more than 3,000 SaaS executives, founders, and entrepreneurs. Before SaaStr, Jason wore many hats: CEO and co-founder of EchoSign (later bought by Adobe), vice president at Adobe Systems, co-founder and president of NanoGram Devices Corp., vice president of NeoPhotonics, and a senior director at BabyCenter. In our conversation, we discuss:
    • How far you should go without a salesperson
    • Signs it’s time to hire salespeople
    • Why you need to hire two salespeople
    • How to compensate your salespeople
    • How to interview salespeople
    • When to hire a VP of Sales
    • How to prevent their flaming out
    • How to scale your sales org
    • How to improve the relationship between your sales and product teams
    • Much more
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    In this episode, we cover:
    (00:00) Jason’s background
    (06:18) The importance of sales in B2B businesses
    (11:23) Signs that you should start hiring salespeople
    (14:19) Attributes to look for in early sales reps
    (19:08) Hiring a VP of Sales
    (26:43) The role of a VP of Sales
    (30:06) Interviewing salespeople
    (45:16) Determining sales compensation and quota
    (53:34) Transitioning from 100% commission to a smaller percentage
    (56:58) Indicators of a hard-to-sell product
    (59:39) Scaling the sales organization
    (01:05:26) Understanding sales roles and titles
    (01:10:02) Product involvement in sales, and vice versa
    (01:20:32) Thoughts on product teams taking on P&L responsibilities
    (01:27:23) One thing founders can do to become better at sales
    (01:31:02) The ideal trial length for a free trial sales team
    (01:39:50) Closing thoughts
    (01:41:43) Lightning round
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 26

  • @AlicinChristensen
    @AlicinChristensen 3 місяці тому +12

    Fantastic to see Jason on here - I could listen to him all day. Brilliant man. Thank you both!

  • @adamkasprowicz
    @adamkasprowicz 4 дні тому

    Jason is great!

  • @WhiteCarbon7
    @WhiteCarbon7 2 місяці тому +3

    It was very enlightening the conversation around EVERYONE raising prices and not earning it. I was thinking it was limited to my and a few other companies that weren't adding value; actually decreasing value. A "one year free pass", I'm afraid that is the new norm, because business don't give money away and the sales goal is just higher for 2024.

  • @bharatbheesetti1920
    @bharatbheesetti1920 3 місяці тому +4

    Everytime I come across your content, I start with a healthy dose of skepticism, but you seldom fail to deliver. Absolutely unbelievable that such an info dense podcast is freely available.
    I work in product at B2B SaaS and a lot of the information that Jason talks about comes from such a wealth of learned experience. Excellent work, Lenny. Thanks for this.

  • @hugonaturals1232
    @hugonaturals1232 2 місяці тому +3

    Yea this was top tier. Phenomenal information from Jason

  • @ecodelearn
    @ecodelearn 3 місяці тому +5

    Amazing "Mini Course". Thank´s one more time!

  • @GrahamQuigley
    @GrahamQuigley 2 місяці тому +3

    This is such amazing content! Solo founder here selling my own product, just starting to hire my first sales people, this advice is gold! So super grateful!

  • @markrussellfilaroski5035
    @markrussellfilaroski5035 3 місяці тому +6

    I have had 3 years of mentorship from joining the SaaStr community and I've been in the game forever. Jason is awesome.

    • @GrahamQuigley
      @GrahamQuigley 2 місяці тому

      That's wonderful Mark, excited to hear this. I'm a solo founder in Oakland and CRAVE community and mentorship. I tell people, "I'm coachable" 😊 Please let me know if you are willing to share your experience

  • @leadgenjay
    @leadgenjay 3 місяці тому +5

    The insights on when to hire salespeople are spot on. Adding to that, it's crucial to align sales metrics with customer success outcomes, as this fosters a culture of customer-centricity which can significantly reduce churn in the long run. Plus, always look for reps who can teach and tailor the conversation to the customer's needs, not just sell.

  • @Jasonlk
    @Jasonlk 3 місяці тому +6

    Such a great convo!

  • @mattalma
    @mattalma 3 місяці тому +6

    Fantastic interview, I really enjoyed the conversation. I thought the length was perfect. Brilliant!

    • @Jasonlk
      @Jasonlk 3 місяці тому +1

      We definitely went deep!

  • @legendhasit2568
    @legendhasit2568 3 місяці тому +2

    Great interview, thank you for sharing. This was the third of your interviews I’ve watched now and I’m glad to have found your channel

  • @Sam-ne9ns
    @Sam-ne9ns 3 місяці тому +3

    Incredible interview! Jason's material is value packed. One thing, though, "be kind" and the Israeli flag don't go hand in hand.

  • @tobilobafaseyitan2876
    @tobilobafaseyitan2876 3 місяці тому +4

    Great episodes everytime!
    Lenny, interview someone from Canva next, I totally love the product and would love to hear about their culture and product management in general. Thanks man!

  • @saadatkhan9583
    @saadatkhan9583 3 місяці тому +3

    Amazing job, both of you.

  • @luvodlulisa7883
    @luvodlulisa7883 3 місяці тому +3

    This was awesome.

  • @ACCA2016
    @ACCA2016 3 місяці тому

    Lenny, I am in if the newsletter is $5-6 per month. It is just how much I think a newsletter worthy to pay for. Maybe repositioning the newsletter as industrial insights?

  • @salesvirtual8214
    @salesvirtual8214 3 місяці тому +1

    This is news to SaaS sales folk, but 101 in other industries. Tech struggles to understand its role in a business. Too much in love with its technology. Go talk to medical and industrial sales professionals. Tech sellers sell dreams, but come across as commodity sellers.

  • @ibains
    @ibains 3 місяці тому +3

    Thanks. Enterprise B2B sales AEs make 150-150, not 75-75. It would have helped if Jason gave company examples and ranges. Looks like bottom of barrel SaaS apps.

    • @Jasonlk
      @Jasonlk 3 місяці тому +1

      I think the math and point mostly holds, but for sure. The even bigger stressor is how long it takes to see if an enterprise AE can close.

    • @s.h306
      @s.h306 3 місяці тому

      ​@@Jasonlkdealing with this right now - took us a year to offboard an AE because 'hey the sales cycles are long, give him a chance, these prospects move slow". High ACV enterprise SaaS, i'm down to monitoring activity/inputs and just general paranoia at this point.