Having sailed a Tornado they are smooth and quite quick I also had a Nacra and they are strong and quite forgiving,but the foiling Nacra is the new star ⭐️ for sure✅ Great sailing,have fun👍
Watching that thing just walk away from the Tornado was VERY impressive. I had a 5.8NA but no spinnaker. Just the jib. It was crazily overpowered in high winds. I can't imagine this. Nice.
that's why we are addicted to foiling 😉 It gets scary when only a dog could hear the whistling. I reckon, I heard my fair share. Happens on rare occasions. Some go their whole life without hearing it. Some claim to have heard it who ain't. To quote Master Gibbs 🤣
@@born2sail I was single handing my Nacra 6.0 with a mast head kite during a sun dowern condition in Santa Barbara, CA. The wind was lifting sand off the beach over head high and it was all heavy white cap due to the wind off shore. I had all three sails up on the trapeze, the boat was throwing a rooster tail and the boards were humming (vibrating) quite loudly. This was the fastest that I've ever been and my friends couldn't believe that I was out in those type of conditions and was able to sail. I had the center boards half way down for a little control. I'm pretty sure I was going as fast as you are in this video but without foils.
WOW, that's fast. I wish they had foiling when I first started racing catamarans. I was in the group that pioneered spinikers on Nacra 6.0 back in the late 80's to early 90's.
Back than you hoisted the kite from the trampoline? Personally I am not so sure if foiling is the best thing for our sport. It takes so many hours to get it somewhat under control and still it's dangerous. Barbara and I thinking about switching back to the F18. Almost as much fun but in a wider range of conditions.
@@born2sail Yes, we hoisted the kite from the base of the mast and the kite was stuffed into a bag in the front center of the trampoline where I would hoist the kite. Where do you hoist the kite now? The last time I sailed was on a Laser in The Flight of the Laser's in Newport Beach, CA. I was first to the first weather mark, second to the second weather mark, fifth to the leeward mark and tacked early for the finish so I had to tack twice again and another guy was right there but he beat me my about twelve inches or so. I was heavy for the down wind but was really fast upwind. This was about 15 years ago. I want to get a Schionning catamaran and sail the tropics. I still have a Nacra 5.8 but it doesn't have a kite. I'd like to set it up with a kite before I sell it. I'd like to use it one more time to get the G-Pro video footage of me single handing the boat on a windy day. We didn't have the ability to take video back then. I get what your saying about the set up and over powered rig. I had a Tornado in the late 80's and then I sold it for a Nacra 6.0. The 6.0 was a little too much for my light frame of build so I eventually got a Nacra 5.8 which had much less sail area making it much funner and there was a much larger class to compete with. Now, pretty much all racing cats have kits but the only boat that I sailed on with a kite was the Nacra 6.0.
I had a Nacra 5.8 for many years in Santa Barbara where they were first built. Later sailed a 6.0 with chute. It was a beast. in 1972 At age 16 I bought an Alpha 18, from the Roland brothers the NACRA creators . That Alpha was their first boat, which was followed by the square bow NACRA 5.2. Nacra was an acronym for North American Catamaran Racing Association. The Rolands built a 40 footer that they envisioned as a PRO class - they were 25 years ahead of their time
the reason i would want to sail a foiling nacra is the achiement of being able to control the boat after lots of long hard practice, and the feeling of foiling is amazing!
11-14knots, very impressive that you get foiling in such light breeze ! I'd be interested to see how the Tornado goes vs. the Nacra 17 in sub-foiling conditions, and also in 25+knots, where I know for sure I'd rather be on the T.
The Nacra jumped on the foils quite easily even in conditions below 10 knots. The reason being is that as soon as the boat comes out of the water it creates its own wind. But I guess below that the Tornado has the benefit of the bigger sail area and less drag because of the missing foils. The Nacra was never fun to sail so my guess would be that at 25+ knots one could beat a Tornado but the skill level to do so is 10 times higher and the crew on the T could enjoy themselves while the crew on the Nacra alswas has to deal with a boat that's trying to kill them.
The tornado goes around 23 ... 25 knots boat speed higher on a halfwind full send, gps logged its much more easier than the hobie 16. When the conditions are 20 .25 knots wind
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The video is almost 4 years old. The other catamaran is from the type "Tornado". It's a racing class. The boat the camera was on is a foiling Nacra 17.
The N17 is faster upwind and downwind compared to a Tornado. At least above 10 knots. The reason for that is that the leeward daggerboard provides lift when sailing upwind. The faste you go the more "weight" you have to keep the mast upright. It's called skimming.
The Nakra-17 is smaller, lighter than a Tornado, and even hydrofoils! I don't know about the area of the sails, it seemed to me that there were no less sails on the Nakra-17 than on a Tornado. So Nakra-17 in the right hands, under equal conditions, will always be faster.
Actually the weight is almost the same. The Tornado has a wider beam and therefore more righting moment and also much more sail area. You don't really need much sail area to go fast because it also means more drag, so in theory the Nacra should be faster. But it's also more difficult to sail and it all depends on how many mistakes you make. Also a problem with the N17 is that you're going pretty much dead downwind. With a Tornado or F18 you have a bigger chance of catching a gust.
@born2sail No need to sail against one another to know who would be faster, if one boat is foiling and the other isn't. This is not a fair comparison. One doesn't compare a catamaran to a monohull neither... but it is fun and good for the ego of the N17 crew 🙂 to beat such yesteryear design and sailing concept (that I love).
Actually you're overestimating the capability of the foiling Nacra 17. It's very hard to sail quick and one mistake, one drop off the foils and even an F18 is faster. The Tornado sails a little bit slower but more steady and it's easier to handle. Over the years we had many little comparisons with this Tornado crew, F18, N17 C-board and the full foiling N17. The last one was the only one we won. @@flyer9
But it's interesting why the foiler is faster. Because there's no huge difference in boat speed. But the foiler more or less sails straight downwind doing the same speed. BUT one mistake and you drop off the foils and it takes ages to recover. Honestly we had way more fun sailing the F18.
Having sailed a Tornado they are smooth and quite quick
I also had a Nacra and they are strong and quite forgiving,but the foiling Nacra is the new star ⭐️ for sure✅
Great sailing,have fun👍
Nacra!!! Flying boat! 🤙🏼 Beautiful sailing guys 👏🏽👏🏽
Watching that thing just walk away from the Tornado was VERY impressive. I had a 5.8NA but no spinnaker. Just the jib. It was crazily overpowered in high winds. I can't imagine this. Nice.
Great foiling!!!
... love the screaming humm once foils lift the hulls clear of the water 👌🏻🙋🏻♂️
that's why we are addicted to foiling 😉 It gets scary when only a dog could hear the whistling. I reckon, I heard my fair share. Happens on rare occasions. Some go their whole life without hearing it. Some claim to have heard it who ain't. To quote Master Gibbs 🤣
@@born2sail I was single handing my Nacra 6.0 with a mast head kite during a sun dowern condition in Santa Barbara, CA. The wind was lifting sand off the beach over head high and it was all heavy white cap due to the wind off shore. I had all three sails up on the trapeze, the boat was throwing a rooster tail and the boards were humming (vibrating) quite loudly. This was the fastest that I've ever been and my friends couldn't believe that I was out in those type of conditions and was able to sail. I had the center boards half way down for a little control. I'm pretty sure I was going as fast as you are in this video but without foils.
WOW, that's fast. I wish they had foiling when I first started racing catamarans. I was in the group that pioneered spinikers on Nacra 6.0 back in the late 80's to early 90's.
Back than you hoisted the kite from the trampoline? Personally I am not so sure if foiling is the best thing for our sport. It takes so many hours to get it somewhat under control and still it's dangerous. Barbara and I thinking about switching back to the F18. Almost as much fun but in a wider range of conditions.
@@born2sail Yes, we hoisted the kite from the base of the mast and the kite was stuffed into a bag in the front center of the trampoline where I would hoist the kite. Where do you hoist the kite now? The last time I sailed was on a Laser in The Flight of the Laser's in Newport Beach, CA. I was first to the first weather mark, second to the second weather mark, fifth to the leeward mark and tacked early for the finish so I had to tack twice again and another guy was right there but he beat me my about twelve inches or so. I was heavy for the down wind but was really fast upwind. This was about 15 years ago. I want to get a Schionning catamaran and sail the tropics. I still have a Nacra 5.8 but it doesn't have a kite. I'd like to set it up with a kite before I sell it. I'd like to use it one more time to get the G-Pro video footage of me single handing the boat on a windy day. We didn't have the ability to take video back then. I get what your saying about the set up and over powered rig. I had a Tornado in the late 80's and then I sold it for a Nacra 6.0. The 6.0 was a little too much for my light frame of build so I eventually got a Nacra 5.8 which had much less sail area making it much funner and there was a much larger class to compete with. Now, pretty much all racing cats have kits but the only boat that I sailed on with a kite was the Nacra 6.0.
I had a Nacra 5.8 for many years in Santa Barbara where they were first built. Later sailed a 6.0 with chute. It was a beast. in 1972 At age 16 I bought an Alpha 18, from the Roland brothers the NACRA creators . That Alpha was their first boat, which was followed by the square bow NACRA 5.2. Nacra was an acronym for North American Catamaran Racing Association. The Rolands built a 40 footer that they envisioned as a PRO class - they were 25 years ahead of their time
Awesome video epic location would love to see more just like this thanks for posting 😎😎😎
the reason i would want to sail a foiling nacra is the achiement of being able to control the boat after lots of long hard practice, and the feeling of foiling is amazing!
Nice. A foiling jibe would have been nice also ;-)
There was a Tornado in the clip? 😂
Apparently they meant the one that was parked. Not that I don't like the 17.
11-14knots, very impressive that you get foiling in such light breeze ! I'd be interested to see how the Tornado goes vs. the Nacra 17 in sub-foiling conditions, and also in 25+knots, where I know for sure I'd rather be on the T.
The Nacra jumped on the foils quite easily even in conditions below 10 knots. The reason being is that as soon as the boat comes out of the water it creates its own wind. But I guess below that the Tornado has the benefit of the bigger sail area and less drag because of the missing foils. The Nacra was never fun to sail so my guess would be that at 25+ knots one could beat a Tornado but the skill level to do so is 10 times higher and the crew on the T could enjoy themselves while the crew on the Nacra alswas has to deal with a boat that's trying to kill them.
The tornado goes around 23 ... 25 knots boat speed higher on a halfwind
full send, gps logged its much more easier than the hobie 16.
When the conditions are 20 .25 knots wind
nice ❤
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No Tornado ? Vs ?
The video is almost 4 years old. The other catamaran is from the type "Tornado". It's a racing class. The boat the camera was on is a foiling Nacra 17.
upwind?
The N17 is faster upwind and downwind compared to a Tornado. At least above 10 knots. The reason for that is that the leeward daggerboard provides lift when sailing upwind. The faste you go the more "weight" you have to keep the mast upright. It's called skimming.
The Nakra-17 is smaller, lighter than a Tornado, and even hydrofoils! I don't know about the area of the sails, it seemed to me that there were no less sails on the Nakra-17 than on a Tornado. So Nakra-17 in the right hands, under equal conditions, will always be faster.
Actually the weight is almost the same. The Tornado has a wider beam and therefore more righting moment and also much more sail area. You don't really need much sail area to go fast because it also means more drag, so in theory the Nacra should be faster. But it's also more difficult to sail and it all depends on how many mistakes you make. Also a problem with the N17 is that you're going pretty much dead downwind. With a Tornado or F18 you have a bigger chance of catching a gust.
Did Tornado know that he was participating in this competition?
We both wanted to know who's faster and if I recall correctly the Tornado was training for the worlds. The chap is a decent Tornado and F18 sailor.
@born2sail No need to sail against one another to know who would be faster, if one boat is foiling and the other isn't. This is not a fair comparison. One doesn't compare a catamaran to a monohull neither... but it is fun and good for the ego of the N17 crew 🙂 to beat such yesteryear design and sailing concept (that I love).
Actually you're overestimating the capability of the foiling Nacra 17. It's very hard to sail quick and one mistake, one drop off the foils and even an F18 is faster. The Tornado sails a little bit slower but more steady and it's easier to handle. Over the years we had many little comparisons with this Tornado crew, F18, N17 C-board and the full foiling N17. The last one was the only one we won. @@flyer9
Na das wurde aber auch schon Zeit !
foiling is in a different league, any foiler will beat most any non foiler....no brainer
But it's interesting why the foiler is faster. Because there's no huge difference in boat speed. But the foiler more or less sails straight downwind doing the same speed. BUT one mistake and you drop off the foils and it takes ages to recover. Honestly we had way more fun sailing the F18.