Really glad you’ve decided to have some PHEVs on this channel. Yes, some people only get them for tax savings, but for true EV enthusiasts, PHEVs are a great option. A lot of us drive less than the EV range of most PHEVs per day and would affectively drive fully electric for many months at a time, only using the petrol for a couple road trips.
@@alfrredd they're a lot cheaper 2nd hand. Golf GTE here is cheaper than e-Golf for same age/mileage, but still manages 30mi electric good enough for many commutes.
I’ve owned a SR+ and Performance and a id3 max. But I now opted for a Ceed SW Phev 2022. Because of ridiculous low car cost, less than half of Tesla 3 Performance, usable boot space, ev range enough to get to work and charge there, enough ev range to do errands in nearby city, and I’m really afraid to do road trips this summer in Europe because of the number of EVs sold and the lack of charging infrastructure… it’s gonna be hell.
If you ever come to Texas, I'll let you test my 2019 Chevrolet Volt. I know they weren't sold in Europe or Scandinavia, though. I think you'd be impressed as it's so much more capable than the Kia/Hyundai PHEV setup. Mine charges at 7.2 kw and has about double the EV range of the Kia, and does 0-60 in about 8 seconds, even in pure-EV mode. The engine will never start unless the battery is drained or it is ridiculously cold outside, giving a true EV driving experience.
I can confirm many PHEV owners in the UK don’t charge their vehicles. It’s easy to see when they pull away gently yet the ICE immediately starts indicating a depleted high voltage battery. Good test Bjorn, and nice shirt !!
I think that is the main reason why they lost the government grant. People were just using it as a discount and did not care about the battery. So using it as a pure fossil when it is not proves it.
Thank you for doing also PHV test. If you ABC, you can run most of the time on electricity only. And yes, I have heard that in Czechia some fleet cars never charge because of the hassle, which is sad.
Nice to know you will test more PHEVs... i know they are not perfect, but as with most daily trips being relatively short, these can pretty much be as efficient as a pure EV on 90% of their life time.
In order to test Honda Clarity PHEV Bjorn has to travel in the USA or Canada or Japan since that car is not available in Norway. On the other hand in Europe there is Suzuki Across PHEV which is a rebadged Toyota RAV4 Prime PHEV sold in North America. So the question is will Bjorn properly test the latter vehicle? The big difference between Bjorn and other influencers is the fact he is behaving like a proper journalist uncovering the truth not doing commercials. Good work!
@Bjorn Nyland Perhaps a very cheap SH classic Ampera test that has a 16.5kWh battery and two electric motors will also be of interest! No gears, serial hybrid, 150HP and 392 Nm torque, all electric! 170km/h max speed on pure electric, and all from 2011, it's amazing, ahead of its time. 10 years at least ahead of time!
Sergiu Dan I wouldn’t say ahead of its time. History will show that the window for hybrids was the past 30 years. It usually doesn’t make sense to buy them now, let alone the coming years with ever cheaper EVs.
Nice test, and you are right about not knowing the price of EVs in Norway. Over here a petrol Kona is 22k EUR (~230k NOK) and the electric is 40k EUR (~430 NOK), and that's after the 5k government grant. . I checked and the same model is 350k NOK in Norway, so about 33k EUR. Still, that's 10k more than the petrol version, although the Ioniq Electric looks attractive at 287k NOK. PHEVs are a good alternative if you can charge at home everyday. The complexity of the drivetrain might make them much more costly to repair in the long run. The Phev tests are very good, not sure if everyone is aware of the slow charging speeds vs. EVs. Keep up the awesome work!
Yes, I heard about people in my country (Germany) who never charge the PHEV they use. In Germany you pay a value-based income tax for the private use of company cars and you get a 50% discount on that tax for PHEVs. Most people have a fuel card from their company to pay for fuel, but they would have to pay for electricity themselves, that's why they never charge the car. Even owners of the car and/or company don't charge regularly, because electricity costs more than 3 times the money in Germany and fuel is 10% - 15% cheaper than in Norway. It just doesn't pay off to charge the car.
My wife is driving a PHEV with fuel card in Belgium. Electricity is reimbursed on a bimonthly basis. It's plugged in daily at home and at work (not often now due to COVID-19). I proposed a BEV (BMW i3). However it has only 2 rear seats and we have 4 kids. In addition, the car leasing cost for i3 was same as 530e. She did not have to think twice. Next car will be BEV due to company policy change, banning all ICE and PHEVs from next year. Now only PHEV and BEV are allowed. But with more cars are offer, the next car would probably have been a BEV anyway.
Are company cars quite common in Germany? Would these be perks only for the top 3 executives of a billion dollar corporation, or would an apprentice auto mechanic get one? In Canada company cars are not very common. Most people use transit to get to the downtown core, even if they own a car the parking is $4,000 a year. No sane person here would choose to pay the $10,000 extra to get a PHEV with a $2,500 subsidy, and then not plug it in.
@@RandyTWester In Germany company cars are common. Even with a small business you can register the car as a company car and all the costs for fuel, etc. reduce your income from the business and that lowers the income tax. My dad for example has his own doctors office and his Outlander PHEV is registered on the name and adresse of this doctors office. He doesn't save a cent by charging the car, but he charges it every day. As an employee it costs you even more to charge, because fuel is free for them with the fuel card.
@@felixklusener5530 interesting! In Canada, a business can reimburse $52 per 100 km to an owner / driver, tax deductible to the business and not taxable to the driver. But if the company buys the car, the driver pays more than $100 per personal 100 km as a 'standby charge' yet the business cannot tax deduct the full cost of 'luxury' cars. And BEVs in winter can be used in our winter but take twice the electricity, so PHEVs are more practical.
Is good to broaden the horizon a little, a lot of people who want EV but have a restricted charging infrastructure at home, like me, are looking at PHEV so thanks for deciding to include some of these. Plus more content creating options too :)
Hello Björn, a few remarks from a previous PHEV driver (Golf GTE) that switched to pure EV (M3), for your future tests: - never trust fuel consumption estimation of the car. Never ever. - look out for car's possibility to combine fossil and electric motors in intelligent ways, like adding electric acceleration while driving fossil. GTE could only do in the sporty GTE mode, not in normal mode. I guess this could help overall efficiency big time. - please report on limitations of pure EV driving: kWh peak, max speed, power degradation (which in GTE would kick in quickly in uphill) - I expect big differences here - as for fossil consumption, would be interesting to check real-world electricity consumption including charge loss. Thanks a lot for the hard work :-)
Hi Bjorn, Thanks for doing this test. I think you should do more Hybrid car tests and not just only full EV tests. For me personally a Full EV is not a n option. I rent my apartment and have no access to charging at home. But I think i am considering a PHEV for my next car and I am sure there are many like me. The PHEV reviews under the same test conditions would help deciding if the next car is PHEV and the one after is EV. for this huge group of people. Also what would be helpful is how to efficiently plan routes with a PHEV, when to charge so you get the most use out of the motor and not the engine. etc
Thanks Bjorn for doing some PHEVs. I think there are a lot of people here in the US that full EV is just not workable, and plug-in is our only reasonable option. The hot plug-in in the US right now is the Toyota RAV4 PLUG-IN. I would be interested in your take on that car.
Thanks so much for deciding to do PHEV's. In NZ we hardly have any pure electric cars to choose from. Even Volvo who say they will make an electric variant available in every model only sell the V90 here as a diesel. I'd love to see you test a V60 or XC60. Thanks.
Thank You so much. This was a interesting video, since You've got the big knowledge in EV's, and calculating. It was nicw to see the difference in the fuels, so there is less speculations and myths on it. :)
@@Matrixu And I'm just stating that there are circumstances where a PHEV might be justified. For example, people who are on the road all day and are uncertain fo when and where they can charge. Sure, they could stop half an hour to fill up, but that is half an hour of not doing what the boss wants and possibly half an hour later home.
BMW 330e PHEV 5.9sec to 100km/h: gasoline turbo engine 181bhp + EV motor 111bhp = 289bhp combined power, while in pure EV is enough to drive around a city (41 miles range). Drives great like any BMW 3 series. PHEV can be fun while saving up for a Tesla.
I actually prefer PHEV cars. But i drive short 5-20km distances and 200km+ distances 50-50%, so a PHEV with 50km range is ideal for me, if the electric motor can help by overtake on the motorway.
What world needs is Tesla Bjorn Winter Commute Range Test for PHEV cars. Start driving from home with full battery and cold motor and log fuel and electricity consumption at every 10 km up to 100 km or something like that. There are really big differences with PHEV, winter and heating solutions. Old king Opel Ampera has a PTC heater and works fine with mild winter. KIA's PHEV are really struggling because all heat is coming from the fossil engine. I have heard that 25 km commute in winter means 22 km fossil engine running and 3 km EV drive at the end. In summer all PHEV's work ok because WLTP test cycle is done in summer conditions. Winter features vary a lot and “real journalists” seem not be interested about this topic.
pka - Yes PHEVs do use more energy in winter, as EVs do. But this is when ICE engine is at its’ worst for fuel performance, so any time a PHEV spends in EV mode in winter also represents a big improvement in emissions. Like full EVs - PHEVs are so much more efficient when it’s warm out.
6:26 - Was I the only one to get this reference? Badger, badger, badger Badger, badger, badger Badger, badger, badger Badger, badger, badger Mushroom, mushroom
Yes, more PHEV testing. I'm in the USA and considering buying either the 2021 Toyota Rav4 Prime PHEV, 2020 Ford Escape PHEV, or the 2020 Kia Niro Plugin PHEV. In the USA the Rav4 Prime and the Ford Escape PHEV are very hard to find right now.
Plug in hybrids make more sense than pure bev at the moment. We can't make enough batteries fast enough to convert every car to bev but we could do it for phevs. The battery in a 90kWh bev could go into 10 of these instead. Then we have 10 cars running ev almost all the time. People also assume phevs will be poor for efficiency but they aren't because they are carrying an ice but not a massive battery. The only real downside is they are usually slower than a bev.
Heard the same rumors of never plugged-in PHEV in the Netherlands. They used to have quite some tax discounts. Especially the Mitsubishi Outlander was notorious. (Why go through the hassle of charging it up if the employer pays for fuel anyway) But these days I see those plugged-in fairly often, I guess the second hand buyers did the math when they have to pay for it themselves.
the thing is, by now, you can get only few, very expansive bev with trailer hitch and all weel drive. f.i. the mitsubishi outlander phev is much cheaper than, lets say a eTron. Other bev are smaller. if you charge the outlander at home, you can drive pure electric up to 90% and for long distance trips you don't have to mind about charging. that means, even when you drive pure electric only 70%, you don't have to carry an expansive, heavy 90kWh battery with you. thats a great deal for such a big car with awd and trailer hitch. by the way. you have a 220V AC power supply in the car, you can use with electrical devices up to 1,5kW or for your House, in case of power failure.
It would be interesting to see the BMW i3 REX in comparison to these 'typical' hybrids. To see what works best. The Mazda MX-30 is supposed to be getting a range extender version as well. There's been stories in the UK about drivers never plugging them in. I think there was a considerable sized fleet of PHEV cars in a Government org where not a single car over a 3 year period had ever been plugged in. Crazy when you consider manufacturing CO2 spent on the battery just going to waste.
A LOT of people buy plug ins here in Montana and never use the chargers because the dealerships don't educate people on the proper use. Plug ins are great for rural areas but the charging infrastructure is slowly catching up and I'm willing to work around the full EV here. Kia soul EV may be happening soon.
@@JohnDoe-vx3z But you cant control if they are really driving on EV mode in the city, so they should be banned just like every other fossil. + you have the same costly maintenance shit like very other fossil. PHEV are not good by any means.
Will be interesting to make comparation between EV, PHEV and pure fossil versions of the same model car in term of long trips, 1000km challenge. What will be time spend for the trip, and money. We all know benefits of EVs in the city, but I think will be helpful for people to make right decision what type of car to buy.
In cold climate the gas engine does not get warm enough during these hybrid “sprints” which results in emission that are much higher. Some manufactures resolve this buy using only the gas engine when the weather is cold. Which is not good for the humans or environment. Pure EV is the most efficient concept in my opinion.
In the UK, a lot of people drive Mercedes and BMW PHEVs and never plug them in. But the reason they even get a PHEV in the first place is because of road tax, or "Vehicle Emissions Duty" as it's now called. PHEVs get very low CO2 g/100km and as such end up in lower road tax bands compared to pure fossil cars. Now, these PHEVs of course are allowed to get their funny numbers by showing an "ideal" use case of someone plugging the car in all the time, but you don't get any tax penalties if you don't do that yourself, effectively creating a loophole into cheaper road tax. It's basically like Dieselgate - making the cars get a lower CO2 g/100km on the official tests only to pollute way more on the roads. The UK ended grants for PHEVs though. Only BEVs and HFCEVs still have access to the OLE grant money, which... keeps getting reduced by the government. Ireland is different though, and the SEAI grant does apply to both BEVs and PHEVs - that said, BEVs get a bigger grant and BEVs also get Vehicle Registration Tax relief, which PHEVs don't get. This means that the Ioniq Electric is a cheaper car to buy in Ireland than the Ioniq Plug-in. While most of the typical BMW/Audi/Mercedes drivers in the UK have moved over to PHEV models, in Ireland, they've moved into Teslas, Hyundai Ioniqs, Konas, and yes, even Nissan Leafs.
With your next PHEV you should do EV-only acceleration test as well. I’m sure the times will be very high, but a bit more information for the Google sheeeet.
It is possible by watching the hybrid display on my HEV and PHEV vehicles and carefully pressing the pedal. The Prius Prime can do up to 84 mph without the ICE. I can even do 0-45 mph [slowly] in my Gen 3 Prius HEV without having the engine turn on.
I just asked yesterday. Bjorn replied it is not relevant for 1000 km. However he might change his mind at least to test the range, efficiency, noise, banana boxes etc.
Cabin heater use waste energy from ICE, you can't get heating without burning fuel. Another thing I didn't like (testing Niro PHEV) was the transmission changes, even in EV-mode
True, but if you drive it around town on short trips you actually spend electricity(no engine heat) and have even less range. Its just...tries too much but it ends up with little... Heat pump in EVs is also efficient for longer trips...
@@DG-uv3zw with my commute I could easily drive to work, and home again on one charge, especially if I could preheat while connected in the morning. One of the reasons I switched to pure EV was because my car back then, had a long service list, caused by cold engine on short trips.
@@thorbjrnhellehaven5766 I was just replying to the fact that heat that engine produce is used to warm the cabin. Phev have very slight advantage in that vs EVs...You can get heat without engine tho. PHEVS as vehicles work but you need access to home charger which in that case is good base for pure EV in the first place. For small numbers of long trips people can just rent fossils, preferably diesels...
Please Bjorn if you get the chance, I would very much like you to review the 2024 Ford Kuga PHEV. It has a toyota-like ECVT setup and atkinson motor, it's efficiënt but also the new version should be less slow! :)
55km pure electric should be sufficient for many! If you test the BMW X5 45e acceleration, remember to check if it has BMW launch control: sport+, gir shifter to the left, brake pedal down, accelerator down!
@@bjornnyland Because then you have to get another car to drive on longer trips. With a hybrid you get an all in one car and they can tow. Finding an EV that can tow really limits your options.
Estaría genial que habilitara los subtítulos en español y diera los datos en euros en vez de en Coronas (sería más informativo para toda Europa). Gran vídeo y gran trabajo.
Hi! Can you tell me please the total range of this car? With fully charged battery and filled tank, mostly on motorway, but watching for the eco mode?! Thanks!
@@bjornnyland It's way more snappy than this Kia for sure. But less range unfortunately. They are not importing it anymore as it can't fit a bigger battery to get over 50km electric for tax reduction.
Would be really cool to see different PHEV cars and their EV range etc. I can not afford a tesla since they are so expensive but I have been looking into getting a used VW Passat GTE and there are hardly any proper reviews of the EV range etc
Yeah i know 2 PHEV drivers, which can not charge at home, so they only charge when they are at the company once or twice a month. because they have a company fueling card, they have free gas anyway. Companies need to adapt the rules for PHEV drivers....
Hello, what about warm up/ de-icing in winter. Will the engine ICE start to get the cabin heated? Or does battery use heatpump or electric heat to warm the car?
There's no pure EV consumption figures in the infotainment? Shiiiiiiet! VAG PHEVs show it. Anyway, your experience with Ceed PHEV was interesting, but i kinda support attitude not to test every single plugin. One model per brand/group is more than enough. Would be awesome to see the Golf GTE...after BMW of course ;)
Mike Little Would be interesting if you can run tests on a HONDA CLAIRTY PHEV. !81 HP electric motor 17KWH battery and has a battery heater for us in Canada wich would work for Norway. I find the hybrid fuel economy is much better than specifications if you start your long range trip in hybrid mode with the fully charged battery. I find the battery slowly drops to 50% then tends to replace that level of charge even if a series of hills drew the charge level down to 40% the more normal road in a short time will allow the system to recharge back to 50%. At 100 km/hr highway consumption is 3.8 to 4.0 l/100 not the 5.9 specified for the car. I am questioning the cars computer results but It really does not use alot of gas. Your testing would would quickly find the true performance. Honda sales service are completly clueless explaining the drive modes of the car. There is an engine direct to drive mode, no electric motor involved which tends to happen on a flat road. I have 43,000 km on my 2019 car and I am trying to get my head around the engineering effort put into this car. Follow all your car reviews and enjoy the scenery.
Can you test the facelifted 2019 Kia Optima SW? It has bigger battery and engine than this Ceed but also heavier as it is a bigger car overhaul. Looking to purchase it in the near future.
You have a mistake in your excel file. In the winner Tesla Performance the result between official 0-100 data and your testing results is +0,04 sgs. Not -0,16 sgs.
4:53 "this is not the first time I overestimate the length of my cable"
Please, yes, we need PHEV reviews by an EV person, not by ICE people who don't know what they are talking about.
Really glad you’ve decided to have some PHEVs on this channel. Yes, some people only get them for tax savings, but for true EV enthusiasts, PHEVs are a great option. A lot of us drive less than the EV range of most PHEVs per day and would affectively drive fully electric for many months at a time, only using the petrol for a couple road trips.
they are so expensive though, most people for savings buy the fossil version and true EV enthusiasts go for the full electric model anyway.
@@alfrredd they're a lot cheaper 2nd hand. Golf GTE here is cheaper than e-Golf for same age/mileage, but still manages 30mi electric good enough for many commutes.
I’ve owned a SR+ and Performance and a id3 max. But I now opted for a Ceed SW Phev 2022. Because of ridiculous low car cost, less than half of Tesla 3 Performance, usable boot space, ev range enough to get to work and charge there, enough ev range to do errands in nearby city, and I’m really afraid to do road trips this summer in Europe because of the number of EVs sold and the lack of charging infrastructure… it’s gonna be hell.
You can use Car Scanner when testing PHEVs, Car Scanner works with all plug-in hybrids - displays real SOC, charge/discharge current and voltage, etc.
Switches to HEV mode at 8:07 (53.4 km)
TL;DW:
EV range 55km
Acceleration 0-100km/h 10sec
thanks
If you ever come to Texas, I'll let you test my 2019 Chevrolet Volt. I know they weren't sold in Europe or Scandinavia, though. I think you'd be impressed as it's so much more capable than the Kia/Hyundai PHEV setup. Mine charges at 7.2 kw and has about double the EV range of the Kia, and does 0-60 in about 8 seconds, even in pure-EV mode. The engine will never start unless the battery is drained or it is ridiculously cold outside, giving a true EV driving experience.
They were sold in Europe as Opel Ampera...and eventually killed off due to poor sales.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Volt#Europe
Volts are epic, great for states like Montana.
@@Excell4nte Only the first generation, second generation never made it to Europe.
I can confirm many PHEV owners in the UK don’t charge their vehicles. It’s easy to see when they pull away gently yet the ICE immediately starts indicating a depleted high voltage battery. Good test Bjorn, and nice shirt !!
I think that is the main reason why they lost the government grant. People were just using it as a discount and did not care about the battery. So using it as a pure fossil when it is not proves it.
You are a very hardworking guy , I watched a lot of your 1000km challenge videos and waiting for 2.5 hours for charging is a test of patience..
Thank you for doing also PHV test. If you ABC, you can run most of the time on electricity only. And yes, I have heard that in Czechia some fleet cars never charge because of the hassle, which is sad.
So refreshing to get different kind of content from Bjørn
Well done. Thank you, Björn 👍
Nice to know you will test more PHEVs... i know they are not perfect, but as with most daily trips being relatively short, these can pretty much be as efficient as a pure EV on 90% of their life time.
In order to test Honda Clarity PHEV Bjorn has to travel in the USA or Canada or Japan since that car is not available in Norway. On the other hand in Europe there is Suzuki Across PHEV which is a rebadged Toyota RAV4 Prime PHEV sold in North America. So the question is will Bjorn properly test the latter vehicle? The big difference between Bjorn and other influencers is the fact he is behaving like a proper journalist uncovering the truth not doing commercials.
Good work!
You can also use OBD and Car Scanner or Torque apps to get battery info in Kia plugins
Thanks for the dedication!
I love this channel, such a likeable guy and a unique style of presenting that feels very conversational and genuine.
@Bjorn Nyland Perhaps a very cheap SH classic Ampera test that has a 16.5kWh battery and two electric motors will also be of interest! No gears, serial hybrid, 150HP and 392 Nm torque, all electric! 170km/h max speed on pure electric, and all from 2011, it's amazing, ahead of its time. 10 years at least ahead of time!
Sergiu Dan I wouldn’t say ahead of its time. History will show that the window for hybrids was the past 30 years. It usually doesn’t make sense to buy them now, let alone the coming years with ever cheaper EVs.
Thank you Bjorn for this test. PHEVs are also a very good option. And there are a lot of your fans who drive PHEV as me. Keep going!!! 🔌🔋
Nice test, and you are right about not knowing the price of EVs in Norway. Over here a petrol Kona is 22k EUR (~230k NOK) and the electric is 40k EUR (~430 NOK), and that's after the 5k government grant. . I checked and the same model is 350k NOK in Norway, so about 33k EUR. Still, that's 10k more than the petrol version, although the Ioniq Electric looks attractive at 287k NOK. PHEVs are a good alternative if you can charge at home everyday. The complexity of the drivetrain might make them much more costly to repair in the long run. The Phev tests are very good, not sure if everyone is aware of the slow charging speeds vs. EVs. Keep up the awesome work!
Yes, I heard about people in my country (Germany) who never charge the PHEV they use. In Germany you pay a value-based income tax for the private use of company cars and you get a 50% discount on that tax for PHEVs. Most people have a fuel card from their company to pay for fuel, but they would have to pay for electricity themselves, that's why they never charge the car. Even owners of the car and/or company don't charge regularly, because electricity costs more than 3 times the money in Germany and fuel is 10% - 15% cheaper than in Norway. It just doesn't pay off to charge the car.
My wife is driving a PHEV with fuel card in Belgium. Electricity is reimbursed on a bimonthly basis. It's plugged in daily at home and at work (not often now due to COVID-19). I proposed a BEV (BMW i3). However it has only 2 rear seats and we have 4 kids. In addition, the car leasing cost for i3 was same as 530e. She did not have to think twice.
Next car will be BEV due to company policy change, banning all ICE and PHEVs from next year. Now only PHEV and BEV are allowed. But with more cars are offer, the next car would probably have been a BEV anyway.
Are company cars quite common in Germany? Would these be perks only for the top 3 executives of a billion dollar corporation, or would an apprentice auto mechanic get one? In Canada company cars are not very common. Most people use transit to get to the downtown core, even if they own a car the parking is $4,000 a year. No sane person here would choose to pay the $10,000 extra to get a PHEV with a $2,500 subsidy, and then not plug it in.
@@RandyTWester In Germany company cars are common. Even with a small business you can register the car as a company car and all the costs for fuel, etc. reduce your income from the business and that lowers the income tax. My dad for example has his own doctors office and his Outlander PHEV is registered on the name and adresse of this doctors office. He doesn't save a cent by charging the car, but he charges it every day. As an employee it costs you even more to charge, because fuel is free for them with the fuel card.
@@felixklusener5530 interesting! In Canada, a business can reimburse $52 per 100 km to an owner / driver, tax deductible to the business and not taxable to the driver. But if the company buys the car, the driver pays more than $100 per personal 100 km as a 'standby charge' yet the business cannot tax deduct the full cost of 'luxury' cars. And BEVs in winter can be used in our winter but take twice the electricity, so PHEVs are more practical.
Is good to broaden the horizon a little, a lot of people who want EV but have a restricted charging infrastructure at home, like me, are looking at PHEV so thanks for deciding to include some of these. Plus more content creating options too :)
Hello Björn, a few remarks from a previous PHEV driver (Golf GTE) that switched to pure EV (M3), for your future tests:
- never trust fuel consumption estimation of the car. Never ever.
- look out for car's possibility to combine fossil and electric motors in intelligent ways, like adding electric acceleration while driving fossil. GTE could only do in the sporty GTE mode, not in normal mode. I guess this could help overall efficiency big time.
- please report on limitations of pure EV driving: kWh peak, max speed, power degradation (which in GTE would kick in quickly in uphill) - I expect big differences here
- as for fossil consumption, would be interesting to check real-world electricity consumption including charge loss.
Thanks a lot for the hard work :-)
Hi Bjorn, Thanks for doing this test. I think you should do more Hybrid car tests and not just only full EV tests. For me personally a Full EV is not a n option. I rent my apartment and have no access to charging at home. But I think i am considering a PHEV for my next car and I am sure there are many like me. The PHEV reviews under the same test conditions would help deciding if the next car is PHEV and the one after is EV. for this huge group of people. Also what would be helpful is how to efficiently plan routes with a PHEV, when to charge so you get the most use out of the motor and not the engine. etc
If you don’t have a possibility to charge PHEV on a daily basis what difference does it make compared to ICE vehicle?
Cool test, thanks Bjorn, I love PHEVs as well and thats good idea to test more of this kind of vehicles
Cool! Like these Plug-in-Hybrid Tests. Would be great to see the Passat GTE on this channel 😉
Thanks Bjorn for doing some PHEVs. I think there are a lot of people here in the US that full EV is just not workable, and plug-in is our only reasonable option. The hot plug-in in the US right now is the Toyota RAV4 PLUG-IN. I would be interested in your take on that car.
Thanks so much for deciding to do PHEV's. In NZ we hardly have any pure electric cars to choose from. Even Volvo who say they will make an electric variant available in every model only sell the V90 here as a diesel. I'd love to see you test a V60 or XC60. Thanks.
Thank You so much.
This was a interesting video, since You've got the big knowledge in EV's, and calculating.
It was nicw to see the difference in the fuels, so there is less speculations and myths on it. :)
That's very impressive on that small battery!
I like the t-shirt :) Considering the price, you'll better take a polestar2 or tesla3
But those are not hybrids. I can see a use for hybrids in the coming years.
@@Hans-gb4mv I'm just saying that the price range does not justify buying a PHEV vs full EV.
@@Matrixu And I'm just stating that there are circumstances where a PHEV might be justified. For example, people who are on the road all day and are uncertain fo when and where they can charge. Sure, they could stop half an hour to fill up, but that is half an hour of not doing what the boss wants and possibly half an hour later home.
Nice shirt Bjorn! Thanks for the testing.
That would be awesome if you tested more plug-in hybrids!
BMW 330e PHEV 5.9sec to 100km/h: gasoline turbo engine 181bhp + EV motor 111bhp = 289bhp combined power, while in pure EV is enough to drive around a city (41 miles range). Drives great like any BMW 3 series. PHEV can be fun while saving up for a Tesla.
I actually prefer PHEV cars. But i drive short 5-20km distances and 200km+ distances 50-50%, so a PHEV with 50km range is ideal for me, if the electric motor can help by overtake on the motorway.
What world needs is Tesla Bjorn Winter Commute Range Test for PHEV cars. Start driving from home with full battery and cold motor and log fuel and electricity consumption at every 10 km up to 100 km or something like that.
There are really big differences with PHEV, winter and heating solutions. Old king Opel Ampera has a PTC heater and works fine with mild winter. KIA's PHEV are really struggling because all heat is coming from the fossil engine. I have heard that 25 km commute in winter means 22 km fossil engine running and 3 km EV drive at the end.
In summer all PHEV's work ok because WLTP test cycle is done in summer conditions. Winter features vary a lot and “real journalists” seem not be interested about this topic.
pka - Yes PHEVs do use more energy in winter, as EVs do. But this is when ICE engine is at its’ worst for fuel performance, so any time a PHEV spends in EV mode in winter also represents a big improvement in emissions. Like full EVs - PHEVs are so much more efficient when it’s warm out.
6:26 - Was I the only one to get this reference? Badger, badger, badger
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Mushroom, mushroom
Snaaaaaaake !
Nice Björn! Good with PHEV for reference.
Yes!! I’ll be waiting for a range test of the DS7 etense and a review of the Park pilot.. Can’t find any good of those on YT.
Yes, more PHEV testing. I'm in the USA and considering buying either the 2021 Toyota Rav4 Prime PHEV, 2020 Ford Escape PHEV, or the 2020 Kia Niro Plugin PHEV. In the USA the Rav4 Prime and the Ford Escape PHEV are very hard to find right now.
Plug in hybrids make more sense than pure bev at the moment. We can't make enough batteries fast enough to convert every car to bev but we could do it for phevs. The battery in a 90kWh bev could go into 10 of these instead.
Then we have 10 cars running ev almost all the time.
People also assume phevs will be poor for efficiency but they aren't because they are carrying an ice but not a massive battery.
The only real downside is they are usually slower than a bev.
Heard the same rumors of never plugged-in PHEV in the Netherlands. They used to have quite some tax discounts. Especially the Mitsubishi Outlander was notorious. (Why go through the hassle of charging it up if the employer pays for fuel anyway) But these days I see those plugged-in fairly often, I guess the second hand buyers did the math when they have to pay for it themselves.
4:46 OMG you have me crying of laughing. I just love these extremely funny comments
You definitely need acceleration when you want to leave a "red light district" Bjorn...:):) You killed me!
the thing is, by now, you can get only few, very expansive bev with trailer hitch and all weel drive. f.i. the mitsubishi outlander phev is much cheaper than, lets say a eTron. Other bev are smaller. if you charge the outlander at home, you can drive pure electric up to 90% and for long distance trips you don't have to mind about charging. that means, even when you drive pure electric only 70%, you don't have to carry an expansive, heavy 90kWh battery with you. thats a great deal for such a big car with awd and trailer hitch. by the way. you have a 220V AC power supply in the car, you can use with electrical devices up to 1,5kW or for your House, in case of power failure.
It would be interesting to see the BMW i3 REX in comparison to these 'typical' hybrids. To see what works best.
The Mazda MX-30 is supposed to be getting a range extender version as well.
There's been stories in the UK about drivers never plugging them in. I think there was a considerable sized fleet of PHEV cars in a Government org where not a single car over a 3 year period had ever been plugged in. Crazy when you consider manufacturing CO2 spent on the battery just going to waste.
A LOT of people buy plug ins here in Montana and never use the chargers because the dealerships don't educate people on the proper use. Plug ins are great for rural areas but the charging infrastructure is slowly catching up and I'm willing to work around the full EV here. Kia soul EV may be happening soon.
In Germany they buy also PHEV and drive almost with Gasoline. Sorry for my English. Greetings from Germany/North-Bavaria 👍👋
Only true for company cars. As a private owner, you want to drive as much on electric as possible.
@@JohnDoe-vx3z But you cant control if they are really driving on EV mode in the city, so they should be banned just like every other fossil. + you have the same costly maintenance shit like very other fossil. PHEV are not good by any means.
Will be interesting to make comparation between EV, PHEV and pure fossil versions of the same model car in term of long trips, 1000km challenge. What will be time spend for the trip, and money. We all know benefits of EVs in the city, but I think will be helpful for people to make right decision what type of car to buy.
Try the Mercedes A250e and the B250e who has a combined 102HP electric and 160HP gasoline engine. The gasoline first kicks in after 140 km/h.
In cold climate the gas engine does not get warm enough during these hybrid “sprints” which results in emission that are much higher. Some manufactures resolve this buy using only the gas engine when the weather is cold. Which is not good for the humans or environment. Pure EV is the most efficient concept in my opinion.
In the UK, a lot of people drive Mercedes and BMW PHEVs and never plug them in. But the reason they even get a PHEV in the first place is because of road tax, or "Vehicle Emissions Duty" as it's now called.
PHEVs get very low CO2 g/100km and as such end up in lower road tax bands compared to pure fossil cars. Now, these PHEVs of course are allowed to get their funny numbers by showing an "ideal" use case of someone plugging the car in all the time, but you don't get any tax penalties if you don't do that yourself, effectively creating a loophole into cheaper road tax. It's basically like Dieselgate - making the cars get a lower CO2 g/100km on the official tests only to pollute way more on the roads.
The UK ended grants for PHEVs though. Only BEVs and HFCEVs still have access to the OLE grant money, which... keeps getting reduced by the government.
Ireland is different though, and the SEAI grant does apply to both BEVs and PHEVs - that said, BEVs get a bigger grant and BEVs also get Vehicle Registration Tax relief, which PHEVs don't get. This means that the Ioniq Electric is a cheaper car to buy in Ireland than the Ioniq Plug-in. While most of the typical BMW/Audi/Mercedes drivers in the UK have moved over to PHEV models, in Ireland, they've moved into Teslas, Hyundai Ioniqs, Konas, and yes, even Nissan Leafs.
KIABjorn finally a use for the shirt! :)
KIABjørn? Sheeet. 😉 I'm now using a fossil Kia Ceed SW 1,4 (100HP). I'm waiting for Kia Ceed SW Full EV. 😁
With your next PHEV you should do EV-only acceleration test as well. I’m sure the times will be very high, but a bit more information for the Google sheeeet.
I think its not possible. If you accelerate too hard engine kicks in. Its just tiny motor, thats why its somewhat efficient...
It is possible by watching the hybrid display on my HEV and PHEV vehicles and carefully pressing the pedal. The Prius Prime can do up to 84 mph without the ICE. I can even do 0-45 mph [slowly] in my Gen 3 Prius HEV without having the engine turn on.
@@KyleBrightman But...whats the point of that test?
Entertainment, clearly.
@@DG-uv3zw Enlightenment, the quest for knowledge about the world.
I think the owner likes sport mode. At 2:57 you can see the sport button is the most used.
Please test Outlander PHEV. It should be one of the most popular PHEV where you live.
A test the Mercedes GLE 350de would be cool. 31kwh battery and 99km EV range.
I just asked yesterday. Bjorn replied it is not relevant for 1000 km. However he might change his mind at least to test the range, efficiency, noise, banana boxes etc.
Bjorn, please use a kWh meter when charging at home, then you can see what actually has been used.
Please watch the video before commenting.
Really want to see the BMW one
Cabin heater use waste energy from ICE, you can't get heating without burning fuel.
Another thing I didn't like (testing Niro PHEV) was the transmission changes, even in EV-mode
True, but if you drive it around town on short trips you actually spend electricity(no engine heat) and have even less range. Its just...tries too much but it ends up with little... Heat pump in EVs is also efficient for longer trips...
@@DG-uv3zw with my commute I could easily drive to work, and home again on one charge, especially if I could preheat while connected in the morning. One of the reasons I switched to pure EV was because my car back then, had a long service list, caused by cold engine on short trips.
@@thorbjrnhellehaven5766 I was just replying to the fact that heat that engine produce is used to warm the cabin. Phev have very slight advantage in that vs EVs...You can get heat without engine tho.
PHEVS as vehicles work but you need access to home charger which in that case is good base for pure EV in the first place. For small numbers of long trips people can just rent fossils, preferably diesels...
@@DG-uv3zw my issue, is when they exclusively use waste heat from ICE, even on short trips, where you know rangd is no issue.
@@thorbjrnhellehaven5766 Wow, didn`t know that... That`s bad engineering there or cheap engineering :)
In the Winther kia niro phev use gas to heat the cabin. So your test must be redone in cold weather
Please Bjorn if you get the chance, I would very much like you to review the 2024 Ford Kuga PHEV. It has a toyota-like ECVT setup and atkinson motor, it's efficiënt but also the new version should be less slow! :)
Will you be doing a banana box test to have a deference for wagon space? I don't recall there being a wagon EV yet.
Yes! Yes! finally! as i told you. thank you.
I didn't test based on what you told me. No offense
Now is the time to test the Ferrari SF90 Stradale
PHEV
Nope
@@bjornnyland I know some people that work at Ferrari. Maybe when no one is looking you can snitch out one for testing 😂.
55km pure electric should be sufficient for many! If you test the BMW X5 45e acceleration, remember to check if it has BMW launch control: sport+, gir shifter to the left, brake pedal down, accelerator down!
It's funny because when I test EVs with less than 100 km range, people say it's shit. LOL
@@bjornnyland Because then you have to get another car to drive on longer trips. With a hybrid you get an all in one car and they can tow. Finding an EV that can tow really limits your options.
Nice shirt! Very interesting test that benefits from your EV experience, looking forward to more. 👍
Estaría genial que habilitara los subtítulos en español y diera los datos en euros en vez de en Coronas (sería más informativo para toda Europa). Gran vídeo y gran trabajo.
Please test BMW 330e! :-)
It's been a while since I last checked on your channel, bro, but dang, you're driving Kia now?! Lol, you are just testing, I get it. Have a nice day!
Hi! Can you tell me please the total range of this car? With fully charged battery and filled tank, mostly on motorway, but watching for the eco mode?! Thanks!
Nice video / presentation! If you could test a Polestar 1 that would be awesome :)
Golf GTE would be nice to test.
Nah
@@bjornnyland It's way more snappy than this Kia for sure. But less range unfortunately. They are not importing it anymore as it can't fit a bigger battery to get over 50km electric for tax reduction.
@@Gazer75 IMO they should just make the battery larger and the petrol tank smaller.
Would be really cool to see different PHEV cars and their EV range etc. I can not afford a tesla since they are so expensive but I have been looking into getting a used VW Passat GTE and there are hardly any proper reviews of the EV range etc
Yeah i know 2 PHEV drivers, which can not charge at home, so they only charge when they are at the company once or twice a month.
because they have a company fueling card, they have free gas anyway.
Companies need to adapt the rules for PHEV drivers....
See if you can get your hands on a Rav4 Prime! Would be an interesting comparison.
ford custom phev this one would be interesting to see, with 1.0 turbo engine as range extender and pure electric motor driven
Bumblebee :-)
I testdrove this car and was very disappointed it did not have one-pedal-driving
Hello, what about warm up/ de-icing in winter. Will the engine ICE start to get the cabin heated? Or does battery use heatpump or electric heat to warm the car?
Yo Whats up Björn! Tack för alla videos. Du är grym på detta🔥 Hoppas du vill testa Porsche Cayenne hybrid 2020 någon dag? Is it sheeet? Or ok?
There's no pure EV consumption figures in the infotainment? Shiiiiiiet! VAG PHEVs show it.
Anyway, your experience with Ceed PHEV was interesting, but i kinda support attitude not to test every single plugin. One model per brand/group is more than enough.
Would be awesome to see the Golf GTE...after BMW of course ;)
Try to test volvo v90 2020 model😉
Why?
Volvo hybrids are pretty good. 390hp AWD, 40-55km EV range, 60-70L fuel tank, and premium build quality.
Bjørn Nyland because you are good at Testing the cars and we want to know your opinion on this car. Best regards
@@bjornnyland Volvo hybrid drive system is interesting, it's i think in the mostly all volvo models
I'd like to see Ford Kuga PHEV on test!
Bjørn look at video: 8:00 minute show exactly when it's switched to hybrid: 53.4km range. BTW why this system allowing discharge battery fully ?
Switched to hybrid, but didnt run on petrol.
Mike Little
Would be interesting if you can run tests on a HONDA CLAIRTY PHEV. !81 HP electric motor 17KWH battery and has a battery heater for us in Canada wich would work for Norway. I find the hybrid fuel economy is much better than specifications if you start your long range trip in hybrid mode with the fully charged battery. I find the battery slowly drops to 50% then tends to replace that level of charge even if a series of hills drew the charge level down to 40% the more normal road in a short time will allow the system to recharge back to 50%. At 100 km/hr highway consumption is 3.8 to 4.0 l/100 not the 5.9 specified for the car. I am questioning the cars computer results but It really does not use alot of gas. Your testing would would quickly find the true performance. Honda sales service are completly clueless explaining the drive modes of the car. There is an engine direct to drive mode, no electric motor involved which tends to happen on a flat road. I have 43,000 km on my 2019 car and I am trying to get my head around the engineering effort put into this car. Follow all your car reviews and enjoy the scenery.
Thanks for the awesome 1000km challenge. Nice you still want to test some (relevant) PHEV's. Regular ICE en Hybrid cars are ancient technology...
Please try a Hybrid4: PHEV Peugeot 508 maybe?
Nah
@@bjornnyland OUUUGH! Now you made me mad! I will find your car and put a hole in your gas tank!
80-120 acceleration would be good to test too
Maybe you can test premium PHEV suv's eg. Volvo XC90 T8/BMW X5 45e/Mercedes GLE 350de.
Can you test the facelifted 2019 Kia Optima SW? It has bigger battery and engine than this Ceed but also heavier as it is a bigger car overhaul. Looking to purchase it in the near future.
No
@@bjornnyland :(
100% shown SOC are 95% in BMS. Same for Hyundai IONIQ PHEV.
Sounds about right. I estimated 0.4 kWh top buffer.
Yes, BMW Will probably not be as efficient. But this isn't the main selling point for Bmw as there is quite a difference between Kia and BMW owners..
KiaBjørn :D
I like the t-shirt...
You have a mistake in your excel file. In the winner Tesla Performance the result between official 0-100 data and your testing results is +0,04 sgs. Not -0,16 sgs.
It's not a mistake. Tesla uses 1ft rollout in the spec.
Why no consumpion test in pure fossil mode? To see the difference in comparison with hybrid mode.
Not possible.
How about the polestar 1???Would be awsome !!
Is there a possibility for a test of Volvo XC60 T8/XC90 T8?