Building the Setting of Dawn of Victory | The Way of Worldbuilding
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- In Part One of our Way of Worldbuilding series, the Templin Institute put forward it's pitch for how to start to build a science fiction setting. Now we're putting our own advice into action.
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Am I hallucinating? Has DoV finally posted a new video?
what the hell is a "new" "video" this channel makes carpet lining for large scale automotive suppliers.
Did... did you have that prepared? lol
No lie I clicked on this without reading and didn’t realize he released it on DoV
It's only been 3 months, m'goat
Yes, go back to bed
A question for the QnA; what would be something all the Superpowers agree on?
Asside from the Terran Quarantine, what’s something that the powers consider to be within all their mutual interest (either outwarldly, not genuinely or behind closed doors). Is there a treaty banning AI proliferation? How about blocking certain states from entering the LoN? What about some kind of protocol which they have all agreed on upon encountering alien life (which the USSR would be secretly violating)?
They probably all agree that they all hate eachother.
A decent summary of the basic foundations of your setting. Some of it a bit of a recap but otherwise reasonably succinct.
With *astropolitics* being the main focus, I'm curious towards the reaching of the gritty details.
You know, one thing that I don't think get considered enough with sci-fi; how many world are usable? As I understand it, the real life asteroid belt of our solar system could supply enough materials for a significant portion of Star Trek's Starfleet. So all you really need is a handful of systems with one habitable planet, and you could have all the resources you need. So yeah, there are billions of planets, but territories may still be vast as only a small portion are usable. Why spend resources on a colony that needs pressure domes and space stations, when an M-class planet can offer a launching point for mining asteroids or moons? Easier to service and protect that way. Only if a location has something truly unique would you make the effort.
I think that it’s for the same reason as Colonisation exploded in the middle to late 19th century, as Europe ran out of space and Africa became accessible, lots of people migrated there and the Governments saw opportunity to expand and potentially find resources.
Glad to see some more DoV content, can't wait to see what comes next
I missed the streeam. I was quet. That in Furlan means "boiled".
I needed to sleep.
Fear not, I'll watch it right now. 😉👍
Good to see more DoV!
love to see the progress
I’m curious if there will be portrays of star nations whose ideologies are more Democratic/Libertarian Socialism that take inspiration from figures like Emma Goldman, Eugene V Debs, Anton Pannekoek, Rosa Luxemburg, Peter Kropotkin, Murray Bookchin & Antonio Negri and also leave open the possibility of the Soviet Union politically liberalising so the Soviet Union looks more like it does in the Reds!: A Revolutionary Timeline Universe (I recommend you google the wiki about the Reds! Universe)
Libertarian Socialist nations don't really last very long, they're way to vulnerable to sabotage. Salvador Allende's Chile is a good example of this, lasting only three years before a CIA backed Fascist coup overthrew him and installed the dictator Augusto Pinochet.
Damn, didn’t expect a Reds! fan here as well.
Seriously, you have no idea how many times I fantasized about the equivalent of Dawn of Victory in Redverse, especially how an interstellar UASR might look like.
Still, you’re right. It would be very nice to see interstellar nations with a more democratic and libertarian path of socialism and communism,, or perhaps even the slight chance of the Soviet Union and the Comintern democratizing
My take for "humanoid aliens", I think you should include at least one or two, though they would be more of an exception than a rule.
The new 40k love you
I'm sold! Looking forward to your future work.
Awesome, thank you!
Looking spectacular.
I just have a small comment, unless there is amy particular lore story or explanation for the typo, the right spelling for "Encrucihada" is "Encrucijada", with J. 😅
Thanks for the info!
Encruzilhada =/= Encrucijada.
The first Portuguese word meaning 'crossroads', the second is a Cuban municipality.
The system is named after the former, not the later.
Good job keeping an eye out, though!
@@AlexandrianCodex This may surprise you, but the Spanish word for "crossroads" is "encrucijada". 😝
Granted, when I saw it in the map I assumed it was misspelled Spanish and not Portuguese (I didn't see the 'l' before the 'h' and I can't rewatch it now), so apologies if I confused the situation, but to me it just looked like a typo.
what tool would you use to make the galactic mapping? with the described scale, you need one to ensure cohesive writing for locations and territory boundaries for each of the powers and such
I came for the real politic and stayed for artificial intelligence and robotics.
I'm curious on what the fate of the Philippines is, since I live there.
And unfortunately my ancestors live in the south where it all went to shit.
13:46 I don't think the conflict text was completed.
Is DoV going to be played in Stellaris like Invicta?
Not necessarily; DoV is its own setting separate from any videogames rn
Think of it like a homebrew setting for a TTRPG
One thing, because this is set in space wouldn't it be cosmopolitical not geopolitical? And I totally understand that using geopolitical is understandable for everyone.
Astro-political
What do you use for your map?
The program that is used during the streams is called Abode Illustrator.
The backdrop art is made by the talented artist Tim Barton.
Peace through strength??? What about peace through power as the one true prophet intended?
It's an amazing concept this, and I'd love to see it happen, but, humanity controlling the Orion arm in just 261 years, that seems a bit far fetched don't you think
Not the entirety of the Orion Arm - just a very, very, very small portion of it.
Honestly feels like people chose the least interesting setting out of all the possible choices.
Keep coping loser
geopolitics is a weak point in my knowledge Please pin some references in the comments. Could you add a virus based AI wanting to take over the known universe through everybody's computer network or system.
Hearing that some major factions will use smaller factions as scions or pirates to do their deeds is pretty cool ngl. It makes the worlds feel more filled and dynamic.
Yeah proxy wars be interesting
I keep saying this but for a map-centric geopolitics-focused setting, you absolutely have to define how the FTL works (and to a lesser extent, the in-system travel). Imagine the difference between the age of sail, the age of steam, carrier battles and nuclear-powered attack submarines. The propulsion technology determines travel times, response times, need for refuelling/basing infrastructure, choke points, viability of surprise attacks, viability of piracy/deep-space intercepts, plausiblity of small independent ships vs megacorps/militaries only, ease of small groups settling new systems vs settlement being government/megacorp projects only, and more. FTL is the technology sci-fi writers are most prone to hand-wave away, because they don't like the implications. Usually people just picking from BSG 'it's a teleporter', Star Wars 'it's a teleporter but there's travel time' or Star Trek 'it's a 3D ocean'; but there's so many unexplored options here. Bablyon 5 is a great example: it's an alternate universe with travel time, navigation challenges but unlike SW stuff can actually happen in hyperspace, there are both jump gates (strategically relevant) but independent drives as well, super-advanced aliens have different FTL styles etc etc.
Absolutely this! It doesn't *need* to be overcomplicated, you can handwave the specifics of the science, but we have to know how you get from place to place! Is it like the Warp from 40k? Going really really fast using an undiscovered scientific principle? Straight up teleporting? Can vessels do it themselves, or do they need external infrastructure? Is it the same engines for ftl and sublight? The same fuel? Can you maneuver? How long does it take? How precise can you be with dropping back to sublight? How close can standard engines get to the speed of light? What can happen while going ftl? Can you interact with other ships? Can forces not in ftl interact with you? Logistics, blockades, heck even borders, it all depends on how you get around!
This is extremely important. Absolutely, handwave the science, but you need to provide methods. The Vega video definitely shows some sublight maneuvering, but that doesn’t really help
if there is FTL propulsion then there has to be guided FTL weapons too
Glad to see more DoV lore across the Templinverse!
A question about geopolitics
Delay
As everything is spread out over a wide area, does something happen, and the further you are away from it the longer it takes another player to head about it and react.
Sometimes the reaction being triggered long after the triggering event is concluded, and the reaction in fact triggers another issue. Perpetual ripples from one starting point.
I have only ever been able to imagine First Contact being standing guard for an anthropologist, clutching your rifle closer, and battling back the desire to turn and run, or fill the being full of lead.
Can’t wait for the deeper dive into geopolitics, and for the next stream
Like if you love DoV for it's amazing worldbuilding and potencial for more ❤
I hope a look at the countries of Asia, the USSR, the Middle East, etc. will not be on behalf of a typical Westerner. Still, they perceive certain world events and phenomena within these countries in a very different way than in the West (for example, the collapse of the USSR is considered not a victory for the West, but a betrayal of the leadership of the Union of its people). And there are a lot of such moments.
As a Russian, I can say that the problems of the union that outraged ordinary citizens were not the same ones that dissidents wrote about in the West and told Western audiences about. And the abundance of cliches and absolutely clichéd Western propaganda in a bunch of settings is frankly annoying. And not only because this is a typical black myth that has little relation to reality, but because instead of referring to a real country with real people, there is a story about some kind of propaganda schizophrenia.
Especially since Templin's last attempt to write from a more global perspective in Stellaris Invicta 2 was patchy at best.
Hopefully they can avoid the usual stumbling blocks, as those misconceptions stem from propaganda in the cold war US/many nations earlier colonial eras.
This is so cool to have very explicit steps in worldbuilding that people tend to intuit but not take actively
I think you may have forgotten to add some closing music there, as there's just a bit of a pause, then the cards for the other suggested videos pop up. Anyways, good video and hope to see more soon. I'm also trying to develop a sci-fi setting for a TTRPG, so I'm going through similar dilemmas.
About developing aliens, I'd recommend you watch "what astrophysicists think about aliens" by Dr Fatima here on YT, it's fascinating and really helpful for meaningful and insightful world building
It would be amazing for DOV to have that grounded visual style of BSG. Also this would be an amazing setting for an RPG.
My main concern is how you are gonna tackle the facust factions, like germans sensitively, if tgey are an explicit sucessor to the real wold nazis.
I think you said somehi g about how they are still fash, but not racist anymore, witch is a bit concerning imo.
How I'd do it is that Nazis are actually neo-Nazis. Space Germany got rid of the original Nazis and was a democracy for centuries, but then history repeated itself.
Question:
Does the German Reich maintain its antisemitism? Antisemitism was a defining aspect of Nazism.
And in a similar vein, do any anti-German Jewish states exist? (either in the form of having Israel as we know it be established and included as a legacy nation and/or one or more brand-new Jewish states in space)
I think we might learn that when we get to Germany's section of the map. Currently, only America has been added in regards to the Superpowers.
Loved the last video, love this video! Leep up the great work
This project is really ambitious. Houndreds of state actors? Now that is massive.
Decision to have technology on backburner is something that may come back to bite you, although you did said that you will focus on several aspects of this, like space combat and interactions between ideologies and some inventions like AI, so not that bad. However, technology is fundamental to geopolitics, so defining what kinds of not only military, but also industrial and agricultural technologies are available is of great importance. What is the scale of automation? What can be produced locally and how easily? How much can potential space freighters carry? Those three questions alone could turn around a lot of things, render many factors negligible, and push many others to the forefront.
im excited to see where this is going my man good luck
One thought I had in regards to the geopolitical/astropolitical side of things was the element of civilian "conflict" as a political tool. Whether it be things like motorsports(Germany's Silver Arrows come to mind) or matters like the Olympics, it could be interesting for people to consider.
looking foward to it
What I am more intersted about this idea is the infrastructure. Like how is the commerce between the human race and the many planets they control. Ships specially. Also if there is an economy in planet to move resources brought into the planet, and sent outside, and how the ftl commerce is done. What are the shipbuilding capabilities of the human race and such.
Could you elaborate on the "rising neo-medievalism" bullet point under geopolitics?
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Nice video
Veey nice.
Uhhhh feeling kinda mid
Yes more DoV :D
Part 3?
So cool!
at 3:48, what program are you using to make the star map? Or did you make that yourself?
Think he talks about it on the map making streams over on the templin institute
Don’t remember the actual designer’s name but he is overlaying the systems and ftl lanes on top of the image
Think he mostly talks about it on the first stream mostly
The program used to make the map is Adobe Illustrator.
The beautiful backdrop is the work of the artist Tim Barton.
@@AlexandrianCodex thank you for the artist’s name friend
I’m going to now find more of his amazing art
@@AlexandrianCodex thank you!
DoV Is back?
We've been here the whole time 😉
Uhm about the earliest Cold War and late WW2 history, there's a story that wasn't told a lot. Mostly because all, even us Italians, don't want to be known.
After the war we was forced to ceede one particular battleship to the Soviet Union. The "Giulio Cesare".
Many didn't like that decision so a black ops was set in place by a close number of operatives of the Xth Flotilla Mas. A direct attack at Sevastopol russian military naval base. The objective was to destroy the Giulio Cesare in order to not allow the USSR to keep the ship.
Accordingly to the voices the attack was carried out and the ship was destroyed in 1946 or 47. Officially the ship was destroyed by a forgotten german mine in the port.
No one knows the exact truth, but suspects remainst till today since Italy had the capabilities to carry out such kind of attacks on long distances.
The Raid of Taranto was one of them. The HMS Queen Elizabeth and the HMS Valiant was almost entirely lost with all hands in that attack by just 6 men.
Fascist Italy had the chance to carry out a similar attack also on the New York port.
The attack was planned for 1943, but in that year the regime collapsed and the Civil War broke out with the Kingdom of Italy surrender to the Allies in order to get the chance to fight back the Fascists.
4:58 "A few thousand lightyears" is far too large for a setting that you want to prevent "just invent a new system" in. A back-of-the-envelope calculation gives a few hundred million stars in a cube a kiloparsec (3k ly) on a side, and that's poorly constrained because we don't know the exact number density of smaller red dwarves because they're hard to see. You're looking at a cube ~60 ly on a side if you want ~3000 stars. Even that close to home, there are likely a ton of currently undetected neutron stars and black holes (neither is generally visible without a companion to acrete from, unless it's a fairly young neutron star), so a writer could still pull something out of their hindparts if habitability wasn't a requirement.
If you have jump-type FTL, you could space your jump-points out in star systems appropriately to get a in-system travel time between jumps appropriate for your setting. If you've figured out that the largest political entity in your setting is limited in size by travel time (say, one year round trip time from the capital), and that round trip takes 12 jumps each way, then the average in-system time between jump points needs to be about 2 weeks, so in-system speed and the distance of jump points from the star need to be tuned for this.
So technology is relevant to your geography, and that's just the tip of the iceberg as far as things you could achieve in terms of interesting geography in terms of fleshing out your FTL in particular.
Defining your technology is also critical for fleshing out issues of infrastructure and energy, which itself is geopolitically relevant. For instance, I've found a particular bit of technobabble that justifies the common sci-fi "fusion reactors explode" trope (which is otherwise hogwash) and has infrastructural implications: the technobabbly unsafe reactors will burn plain old hydrogen to produce fuel for less sci-fi-ish safe reactors (burning deuterium or helium 3) for which natural fuel is fairly rare. The ratio of energies you can get from either process is fixed, so you need a well-defined number of unsafe reactors to fuel the safe ones and need to put them somewhere out of the way in case they go kablooey. The unsafe reactors also provide fuel for all your civilian shipping, which is risk-averse (military ships use unsafe engines for performance and fuel-availability reasons). So why is a guy with known ties to the space-Soviets hanging around that reactor complex on Europa that provides half the fuel for the spaceport that handles half of Sol's trade?
So, quick question: does Transhumanism have a place in this setting? Like AIs, cybernetic augmentations, genetic modification, species uplift, etc?
Does anyone have an alternative to the way I store my sci fi universe? Currently, I just have the story downloaded in a word document but I find that a little tedious, and this way is probably not that good, should I share it someday
Haha. I’ve been working on a setting that’s remarkable similar in themes. Rather than the Cold War I used the years leading up to World War I as a historical model.
if they are i multi-generation colony ship in this galaxy what happens to the ship if the mega-coprp or country backing it gose backrupt before it get to its colonail destination.
Question:
In the Western nations (specifically America), are racial issues still present in society? If not, is it mainly issues of social equality that are present?
I do hope you take at least some inspiration from the fan art and fan lore channels
Amazing work the people there have made
Its genuinely incredible
Something something 1 view 28 seconds something something I hate my life
Question has been asked before but I think bears repeating. How will you be depicting Nazi germany and the sovjet union in your setting.
Yeah that's something I've been wondering, but cos of time zones I rarely get to watch the streams live.
I think I remember him saying something about the Germans still being nazis, but they've mostly moved past the racial supremacy.
If that's the case I think that's a bit misguided/dangerous as you can't separate the two, and it could lead to him whitewashing the fascists and creati g a safe space for irl ones.
@@tyranno-soros8521 If he doesn't want include racial supremacy, I think it'd be far more sensible if there simply wasn't other races in Nazi space, perhaps only Aryans were evacuated from Earth, with everyone else simply being left to die in the nuclear barrage.
Will Genetics be a key component of Dawn of Victory? I would assume if humanity has already discovered FTL speed id hope that we are immune to like the flu. Looking great though!
Would be especially interesting if some factions (especially fascists) either restrict genetic modification for ideological reasons or use it for ideologically motivated eugenics.
What is this map engine I Se you use to create a stellar map? I'm really curious
The program that is used during the streams is called Abode Illustrator.
The backdrop art is made by the talented artist Tim Barton.
When you say the population is hundreds of billions, in high hundreds of billions or low hundreds of billions? Would for example an ecumenopolis be possible in your universe?
Rn the idea is that by 2285, the total population of human space has reached 100 billion
So no ecumenopolis at this point
@@nathanboyce4451 Ah yeah I misheard what he said. Thanks for clearing it up!
Question: If you're considering bringing on new writers for this project, what would someone need to do to qualify?
That's a great question! We haven't shared any specific details on this yet!
For the time being, the best way to get involved is to join in on the Discord, contribute to discussions, and show off or hone your creative chops through the Non-Canon Fan Art, Fan Lore, and Roleplay sections.
Outside of that, having a portfolio of work demonstrating your abilities certainly never hurts - so focusing on your own work & projects to have prepared for later is a great idea too!
@@AlexandrianCodex Alright. Will that be the Templin Institute's Discord? Or does this project have its own?
Piss through strength!
Wouldn't have a fixed date have constrains on expanding beyond 2289
will there be elven knights charging machine guns?
15:20 it should say "please stay attentive while AI is yapping" :P
Hmm I probably missed a few stream...but if 3 of the main powers are: the democracies, the communists and the fascists...what are the other 2? Has the vatican become a super power?
Japan and the Non-Aligned movement.
It’s always been a four way cold war between the Germans, the Americans, the Soviets, the Japanese and their respective allies/vassals. With India and the non-aligned movement being a future possible fifth superpower.
MARK WATCHES BRICKY. Sneaking that "my beloved" in there and thinking no one would notice!
I have no idea who Bricky is or what this relatively common phrase has to do with them. - Marc
@@DawnofVictory2289 it's been a catchphrase of sorts he uses when describing, usually, a particularly useful weapon or item when reviewing games. It's become a very popular meme among his followers.