Why does South Africa want to deport Zimbabwean residents? | DW News
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- Nearly 200,000 Zimbabweans were granted residency in South Africa in 2008. Now the South African government is trying to kick them out.
In a case that could decide their fate, human rights groups have asked the court to stop the government from doing so. But the clock is ticking, as residence permits will expire at the end of June.
DW’s Christine Mhundwa met a teacher in Johannesburg, who's hoping to remain in South Africa.
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I'm so shocked to learn that the Health department in Zimbabwe considers a crime, employing people from other countries yet they come in big numbers in South Africa, How come?
I really wish the Zimbabwean government would actually care about their own citizens. If they don't, how can they expect other countries to do so?
Why does that matter? You shouldn't be treated differently depending on how the government of the country you came from treats you
Zimbabwe has got a Fascist gouvernement.
never gonna happen. i wish people would stand up against their criminal governments
That happens every time Zimbabwe goes for elections since elections are just around the corner they want them to came back home and vote there's nothing new it's just Zimbabwean politics
@@tomlxyz You are only entitled to government of your country. people should fix their countries and stop bothering other people
It is not xenophobic for a country to enforce immigration laws.
They did not lay a lot of foundation for their asserted motive (but maybe it's a well known issue there???). It is true, reducing immigration does not inherently mean xenophobia.
But at the very least it appears a bit exploitative, bringing in cheap immigrant workers then taking away their ability to become citizens. Dangling a carrot, then taking it away at the last second. It seems reasonable to have to uphold their end of a tacit agreement (and at least guarantee application) after someone invests so much of their life.
@@Oblithian nobody brought them here. They came out of their own free will.
It's like justifying apartheid because it was etched in law. Any government can choose how they want to interpret or apply the law, so yes this all stinks of Xenophobia and thats exctly why they will loose in a fair court of law because their argument or reliance of "immigration laws" is not alligned to the Constitution.
Did you see him hesitate when he was asked who decides, and the only logical answer was the law, but he knows that the law is very clear about the temporary permits that were only issued for farm work and domestic work.
@@Oblithian this was for temp residents since they have Zanupf govt treating them bad. Do ur research without acting like ur know stuff
Isn’t it interesting how in this whole interview there’s not a single mention of the Zimbabwean government ?
Why can't Zimbabweans rise up against the corrupt Zanu PF government and change it?
Because they are useless and the most laziest people in the entire world
Because it is easier to call South Africans xenophobic than actually fight back the government making the Zimbabwean people a misery
Because it is easier to call South Africans xenophobic than actually fight back the government making the Zimbabwean people's life miserable
This is very unfair & one sided reporting!! Why does the term “Xenophobia” only applies to South Africans.
Just to bully us.
Tf you mean one sided reporting? The video is about South africa and South Africa has always had a reputation for discriminating minorities.
@@lol-iv1ft exactly
In South Africa's situation, the term xenophobia is a label that's used to insult South Africans. You've got to stand for what is right regardless of the insults, so long as people's human rights are respected. That means violence should never be the option. Every person must work to build his/her own country rather than demanding from other countries as the people are doing in South Africa.
@@lol-iv1ft let me educate you. Zimbabweans are not the only immigrants who got special permits to work in S.A when their countries weren't doing well. Other countries permits expired and they went back to their countries. What makes Zimbabweans special? Why must S.A bent the rules for Zimbabweans? Instead of taking their government to court for better lives in their own country, they are forcing a government that bent the rules to accomodate them.
Zimbabweans need to be realistic though. South Africa cannot afford to have such big numbers of immigrants because of economic issues. ZEP were temporary solution for Zimbabweans so that Zimbabwe is stabilized. That was not a path way to citizenship. South Africans are agitated because of this issue. End of June the country will be burning down.
You can't blackmail a country for being kind. It's just unfair.
this is true also ! but WHO blackmailed who FIRST ! THIS IS THE QUESTION
@@kukulroukul4698 what does World Health Organization have to do with Zimbabweans who hate their country and South Africans who are patriotic about their country and want to preserve the little resources we have for South Africans and legal immigrants?
It's only 5 million
@@zusibone9
Taking their labor for cheap and then destroying their lives isn't being kind.
We cannot be a social fallback for the entirety of Southern Africa for another 15 years. So many people coming here are unable to pay taxes, yet still make use of our public facilities.
It’s simply not sustainable. If you possess skills which are in crucial demand, and you comply with all immigration requirements, you are welcome to join SA and contribute. If not, unfortunately it is untenable for SA to maintain things as they stand.
True Scott. Zimbabweans were not the only ones given special permits to come to S.A and make a living. Other countries (Botswana) also got. When they expired, they simply went back home.
Why must Zimbabweans be treated any differently? And we are sitting at a 36% unemployment rate, the highest in the world. 45% of the population living on grants and 3 million graduates unemployed
I think the Zimbabweans should be able to immigrate to South Africa just like the boers did.
@@youdontknowjoejoTypical Zimbo response!
@@fozia1301 too bad I'm Nigerian. Why does it matter? If you don't have a real counter response, then you are nothing more than background noise.
@@youdontknowjoejo what about the people already in in SA
how can a xenophobic country "feel like home", truth to be told, I would not live in a xenophobic country...
Well said 👏 👌 💪
Why cantbthey go to Botswana or Namibia
@@lindiwesoko7876they already overwhelm us in Botswana.Zambia used to have economic problems but they never invaded other countries.
Zimbabweans working in South Africa are hard working but the problem is i am surprised there are South African Human Rights groups fighting for the rights of Zimbabweans instead of the many South Africans who are not employed,how ironic.Its not fair that Emmerson has the liberty to not take care of his people and the burden is put on the South African people.The people govern so Zimbabwe's people should do something about that.
those zimbabweans been serving your country and the law is also bound to protect them legaly they have rights .
@@marshalmakuti6928 they have been serving boers and lndians with cheap labor without paying taxes. That means they have been used to frustrate South Africa's economic growth.
@@marshalmakuti6928when will you guys serve your own country? Now this seems like the South African government is wrong but there’s no mention of how the Zimbabwean government is literally not doing anything to help its citizens
Go argue your Zimbabwean case in a court of law in Zimbabwe. Your are attacking the sovereignty of a country and you think nothing should be done?
Hard working while taking slavery salary you are exploited you fools
DW are you guys not ashamed to report such lies😮? In your country you have strict immigration laws but when South Africa implements theirs you call it Xenophobia 😮😮😮
They do well to frame it as xenophobia. When the truth of the matter comes out, that word would've lost meaning because of them
implementing strict immigration laws inst exactely germanys strong suit. they quickly label yourself racits if your opinion goes into that direction. its what the zeitgeist dictates unfortunately. but i imagine they are tyring the right thing. i mean its bad for those guys.
I have lost trust in this news site now .
In 2008 there and later, there were actual xenophobic attacks here in South Africa. What was shocking, was that other Africans were attacked, but white foreigners were safe.
Somehow, I don't think foreigners were dragged behind a car, or their businesses burnt down.
@@WayneKitching South Africa is so bad and so Xenophobic so much that people are fighting so hard to remain in SA even when they not wanted
"far from his home in Zimbabwe" ??? It's literally, a drive away in the country right next door...
Closer than Cape Town 😂
Lol, fr
Almost 6 hours to the closest city in Zimbabwe with a car
Now imagine how short this will be if they fly back home
They literally walk into South Africa in their hundreds everyday.
ANC government bended our rules to accommodate Zimbos who illegally entered South Africa, they offered them temporary permits for number of years. Permits have come to an end and have to apply for mainstream visas. South African are not working and priority is to South Africans.
I stay in South Africa.... trust me unless you are ignorant or privileged you will know that foreign nationals/illegal immigrants are a major problem in the country.
THANK YOU!!
Stop being racist
Respect, I have no further comments🙌🏾
Thank you
Amen
South Africa is a Country like any other country's therefore it has Laws and Regulations that need to be implimented and followed according ,blackmailing wont help in this instance.
Laws must be respected
@@janviljoen9554. Since never. 😂😂😂😂
Pure lies. None of the 180 000 Zimbabweans were granted permanent residency in South Africa. They were given ZEP Permits which clearly states that SA temporarily accommodated them so that they rebuild their lives. No Zimbabwean should feel entitled to stay in South Africa for life. They have their own country and it is their duty to go and rebuild their country for themselves and their future generations. They can't run away from their problems forever. Here in SA we've got problems too.
We are in this situation in Zimbabwe because of your ANC. ANC and Zanu PF are just the same
Any person can live anywhere in any country provided they follow the laws to be integrated. Ndebele people in Zim originally came for South Africa in the 1800s. As Africans we should learn to love each other not accommodate others from Asia, Europe thinking they are contributing positively yet they loot African resources to develop their own countries. European have EU laws that segregate against non EU citizens but we African prefer whites & Asians who actually stealing from the continent for hundreds of years 😢
@@ronniemushiwokufa2508 no its because of Mugabe
@@ronniemushiwokufa2508 You took farms remember 😂😂😂😂you Zimbabweans are really useless, you took farms and failed to work and develop those farms 😂😂😂
@@olwethupoto1077 no, it is because White Anglo-Saxon countries including USA, UK, Canada, Australia imposed sanctions on Zimbabwe when Mugabe restituted the stolen land back to the natives.
Your video is intended to push a narrative and view point that the SA government is xenophobic. ZEP is not permanent residency. They did not apply for permanent residency, they were not offered permanent residency. They are still able to apply for work permits if they wish to stay. They were given sufficient time to start relocating back home if they don't want to apply for work permits. SA has been so generous and kind, but its kindness is being thrown back in its face. There are lots of opportunities in Zim for Zimbabweans, allow South Africans an opportunity to take back South African job markets
True DW News is a western establishment and you must remember we are now part of BRICS so they are going to push narratives about SA
What job markets? It has an unemployment rate of 50% for its youth.
@@jonye7511 there is a good old saying that says.....in order for a man to eat a fish....rather teach him how to fish before giving him a fish to eat. Poverty is the dimese of any country, if you keep on feeding poverty, it grows. We need to build our inner individual strengths and learn how to survive without being dependant on others.
Amen.
South African citizens are xenophobic but I feel bad for the government because they have done almost everything possible to accommodate foreigners.
Zimbabweans and other foreigners cannot work while South Africans are not working in their own country.
I guess all the south Africans that are all over the world should be chased back to RSA also.. countries like Australia, UK, China etc should cause them away and claim their own nationals don't have jobs also
Southafricans are lazy😂
End of discussion
why are they not working nobody wants to employ a person who dont pitch up for 3days after getting paid
@@lindonlucias brother you are wrong if it was your business you would also choose cheap labour so that you stand to gain more, Zimbabwean accept cheap labour hence the reason south Africans are looked over. I worked in a company that hired to illegal immigrants and they where getting paid half of what south Africans where being paid, those jobs would of been for 2 for citizens with full pay.
200 thousands is way less than the actual number of the Zimbabweans in south africa, every country has its laws abide the south african laws this is not xenophobia
Why does SA want to deport Zimbabwean residents? SA does not want to deport Zimbabweans, our government only want to put an end to ZEP. There are many Zimbabweans with a skilled work visa and they will not be deported. This kind of sympathy fishing is really nauseating.
Permits are expiring. LEAVE.
U can't force other nation to SA
What I don't understand is that a Zimbabwean lawyer is representing Zimbabweans citizens in a South African court, why not doing that in the Zimbabwean court?
Yazi😢 it's a shame
Its always nice to ask if you dont know, they not lawyer's but interpreters
In 2009, SA Government granted Zimbabweans DZP following socio-economic and political situation in Zim and they were categorised as asylum seekers. The DZP were valid for 4 years (Renamed ZSP in 2014 and in 2017 respectively as ZEP) ....and went on to be renewed accordingly until SA Cabinet decided not to renew them in November 2021.Given the historical background of these permits, there is no where the host country commits to issuing permanent residence permits ifo ZEP holders and that is also not provided for in the laws of RSA. Zim Government (Number 1 Lithium rich country in Africa) is not actively involved in this because they do not want corrective voices. Why can't these guys take their own Government to court in order for it to create similar employment opportunities for them and force SA Government to support them. These guys have a compelling case against Zim Govt not SA Govt: Sometimes lawyers fail to win cases because they present good facts to argue wrong cases.
Well, compassion is something that's being abused here. Policymakers across the globe should be learning that doing good for others isn't always appreciated as is the case here.
Chitando I heard is a member of the ruling Zanu-Pf... Anyway, he seems to be aware of what you are raising hence he is casting aspersions in media.
Asylum seekers are not the same as work visas.
I think your analysis, while coming from a valid standpoint based on what is available for you to know, is a bit disassociated from reality. For example, say you cancel the ZEP, do you think that the affected people will leave SA, or they simply add to the pool of undocumented immigrants who operate outside the system? What is the purpose of not extending their regularised stay? Why not start by deporting the larger pool of undocumented people? I think it’s just a populist decision that will make things worse for everyone.
Stop this narrative of calling South Africans xenophobic when standing for what is right for their Citizens. Start addressing the sanctions from the west and politics of Zimbabwe. Politicians of Zimbabwe have no plans to rebuild their economy and run the country on auto pilot.
Ministers was right to snub you, he doesn’t owe you any explanation.
it amazing how the above interviewed attorney seems to portray South Africa like a piece of land that needs anyone to come and serve yet its a sovereign country that has its own government that is enforced by its constitution that they could change and implement anytime they decide to with their people for the good of their country.
Attorney is generous, more like grifter.
Exactly. Like how do you even get to that level?
Well said
Is just how all of this people who fail to organise their countries behave
@@lozi4163 what have you done for South Africa so far?
My experience is that many of the Zimbabwean people are hardworking and in business for themselves. The problem is the extremely high unemployment rate (40%) in South Africa. Also, many illegal immigrants are contributing to crime - not helping their cause at all.
Chitando, has a weak argument. This boy is disrespectful of our country, that is why many south Africans are not sympathetic to their situation. He thinks he can insult us and still expect us to support. Wa tella my lyitie.
His father is a minister of minirals, they want to keep Zimbabweans in SA and continue looting Zim without any disturbance.
Framing immigration laws and the rule of law as xenophobic is rather malicious. There's nothing xenophobic with these regulations.
South Africa is enforcing the laws nothing wrong with that.
At the beginning of this year we had a situation where South African kids struggled finding space at schools because a lot of space was occupied by foreign kids
Lies.😮
@@peejay8519 the only lie is you
@Peejay it's true mother f
South Africans like to blame foreign nationals for everything that's wrong in their country. That way they don't have to blame themselves for keeping the same failed ruling party in power.
Fascinating, feral savage.
With all this "manufactured misery " by Zimbabweans and NGO's why are aren't you guys directing your energy to Magwangwa rather than boring south Africans who have nothing to do with situation in Zim = 🚮🚮
Zimbabwe has been discriminating against Zambians and Malawians for decades and has been deporting them constantly. They even call Zambians derogatory names. Why then are Zimbabweans crying when South Africa does to them what they have been doing to others?
South Africa’s population has been growing very fast. They need the jobs for locals.
Didn't the South African Gouvernement create jobs ? No, they were to occupied with their corruption cases. This is maybe the reason you should look after.
@@harryhole5786 oh please...
Credible evidence shows that majority of south Africans are not really hardworking&they are mostly laid back. They cannot be compared with their West African counterparts, mostly Nigerians&Ghanians who are industrious and has endowed survival instinct. South Africans are use to being spoon fed by their Government and such largesse is no longer available anymore
@@NEMESIS_10 Aha, they've sold you, and now you want to sell these immigrants of 14 years ? Please Europe,; USA and others: expell all South African Fascists also !
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South Africans 🇿🇦 first policy.
They were not granted residency permanently, they know that.
They’ve contributed to the economy for 12 years and now they get rid of them because racists consider them as not part of “their camp”?
ZEP permit condition state this will not be path to permanent residency or work permit.Temopray arrangement
@@tnamr5652 The lawyer is misrepresenting the facts. ZEP were never meant to be Requirement for permanent residency and they knew it.
There are more than 3 million Zimbabweans living in South Africa of which 185k of them are using the ZSP permit and 400k using Asylum the rest (+2 million) are undocumented who jumped the boarder illegally. It's a chaotic immigration fumble facing South Africa. let's not even talk about Nigerians who are also here illegally plus people from Mozambique, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Lesotho, Somalia, Ethiopia, Eastern Europe, Central Africa etc. It's CRAZY
Its complete madness!
Truth!
Leave my Nigerian people out of this,we are just in your country to do business
@Chinomso Osuagwu we are talking about immigration in SA. Learn to read slowly so that you dont make a fool out of urself next time.
@@precophox omo ale... it'd your father that is a fool
Zimbabweans were not granted residency, they were given special permission to stay in this country on a permit that doesn’t exist in law. Please get your facts right. South Africa has given these Zimbabweans enough time (1yr) to regularise their stay in the country. If they don’t they will be deported.
This western news want to blame South Afrika. There is nothing wrong with that actually. South African leader just want to prioritise his own nation first. They are many jobless. So, many job will be given to SA people. Hope SA will prosper just like China.
I was hoping the entire africa become independant from any country and follow the example of the swiss. Work together on building skills and focus on education. Just do our own thing without the east or west's interference. We trade in african dollers. If our country focused on precision and valued service, we probably by now would have been the richest country in the world. Point is, we have to believe in ourselves, we have to chuck the past and focus on the future. We have to value our own personal life and beliefs, without it effecting our neighbours. If other countries could remain neutral during a war, and managed to build wealth during the war, we can to.
@@corinnevanjaarsveldt6087 B.R.I.C.S is the answer. As long as there’s African heads of states still subscribing to western policies and see the dollar as their God, they will forever be impoverished.
@@brianmolele7264 yip. We must move away from america. The problem experienced with other african countries is that china develope, such as in zimbabwe and ethiopia, this has been going on for years. But it troubles me there is an outcry of slavery methods as they work long hours for the chinees firms and there are no labour laws. Zimbabwe is suffering more under poverty. So. Is it not better Africa up on its mining skills or maybe negotiate labour policies with the brics nations. The citizens of south africa has gone through so much, I dont think it will work under draconian measures and military style.
Point is, south africa will utilize chinas developers. Has this worked in ethiopia , zimbabwe? Why after many years is zimbabwians still poor and without work? They have their own currency?
Zimbabweans are hard working people, one of the best so far, i worked with some in Tanzania, I just dont understand why their country has reached these stage, if its bad governance the people need to raise up to remove these so called freedom fighters
Do you call people turning themselves into slaves , being paid slavery wages are hardworking?
Incase you don't know, Mr know it all, the "lazy SAcans developed their country and the hard workers didn't develop theirs and came running to the beautiful SA developed by SAcans. Including you!!!
We are all suffering, running is not a solution. They have to go face their monster.
Actually it is more of a proletariat revolution with racist sprinkles than freedom fighters.
Just like you're rising up and removing the ANC who is looting everything right under your eyes good luck with that
@@collinphahlane7527They did and nearly slayed it until a certain former South Africa president interfered in their election at the time calling it quiet diplomacy. All liberation party leaders are loyal to one another and help each other hold onto power.
Zimbabwe has lost zimbabawens. SA is not loosing a lot by sending zimbabaweans home, thats a dumb notion from a qualified lawyer. At his point, he's holding on to grass straws. South Africans are broke and unemployed , the youth affected the most. I want to see what the lawyer has to say about this part of the zim immigration.
@@Kevin-fq3zh so are Zimbabwean leaders, not that it has anything to do with this.
SA are broke and unemployed due to the corrupt politicians. SA is a rich country but there oligarchs are pushing the people down. I see it counter productive to send tax paying and productive immigrants back.
Poverty and unemployment in SA won't be affected much by deporting them. These problems have other sources
@@tomlxyz i beg to differ. cheap labour from immigrants kills the competitiveness in the economy. SA citizens, whether one percent or 4 of the population would have gained something by deporting zims.
@@tomlxyz imagine the teacher in this insert. he has a tutor job and a waiting job. A waiting job is the kind of job students in university should be getting to get by. however we have a full man who is working a student's job. To make matters worse, he is sending the money to zim. he is messing us up. that same money going to zim would do better in SA going to VAT and SARS. ECONOMICS!!!!!!!
Irresponsible headline and reporting. Very disappointing.
This headline is simply a lie...🤣
One million dollars question, WHAT WAS THE ZEP CONDITIONS?
As a last point, South Africa is not chasing away any foreigner out of the country. It is simply removing special treatment that was offered to Zimbabweans for what was seen as a good gesture for fellow humans. How is that xenophobic when the idea is to afford everyone equal rights in a sovereign state?
South africa has more million of illegal immigrants. Crime is higher than before and unemployment is also higher than before.Zimbambeans should fix their own country than crying to be south Africans..
Every sovereign state has his right to implement his immigration law accordingly to human rights...the people of a nation cannot be supplanted with citizens from another country...especially with the poorest...
South Africa is tired of being taken advantage of.
Ons is gatvol 😢
Simba.. you should first in line to except your brother and sisters back, help them integrate back into Zimbabwe and build, you might look at it as it's our lose, but it's your gain then!!! And it's not Xenophobia
The ANC government better let them go or no voting for ANC
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Mmm...you will vote for the ANC and soon after elections, they will just do as they please, like they have done the past three shocking years. It does not feel like south africa anymore. It feels like another country is running our affairs.
Bro you aren't supposed to vote anc anyway
LOL 😂 “it feels like home” this issue alone will determine whether I vote 🗳️ for ANC or not… next year Zimbabweans should just pack their bags 💼 in SA there’s 50% unemployment rate on SA youth yet there are foreigners who feel entitled to be here and enjoy rights that should be given to SA citizens…nonsense! South Africa won’t lose nothing…
Ben says how is he supposed to start over in his native country of Zimbabwe? Yet he managed to start over in a foreign country, South Africa, 12 years ago? Irony or entitlement?
The legalese will reach a state of ineffectiveness at some point and I dread the outcomes of South Africa's poor rising against Africa's poor mum in their countries mismanagement yet vocal in South Africa and it's workings.
Your destroying ur chances of ever getting something like that permit again because the government now knows that you will take it to court. Come on man! If u guys leave this country in conflicts then you wont be able to come back. Just go in peace so that you can come back in the future.
True.
Arrogance on the part of Zimbabweans is overwhelming. Who says Zimbabweans are the only educated people?
Mxm, it's not xenophobia why guys 😭 you always have to be like that. Why can't you forcus on your struggle and protest .
South Africa is not xenophobic, they just always choose to put their own citizens first like every other country. Why I not xenophobic when SA does it and yet it's okay when other countries do it? Foreigners in SA are very entitled and are Xenophobic towards SA people.
They are a major problem in south africa, the Zimbabwean government should take care of them not the south african government
Permits are not Citizenship. Let's learn to understand
I doubt that if the tables had been turned, Zimbabweans would have been so welcoming of South Africans or other African nationalities for that matter. Anyway the Attorney spoke about South Africa standing to "lose a lot" from the cancellation of the ZE Permits but the flip side of the coin to which he is oblivious is that the skills "lost" in South Africa will in fact benefit Zimbabwe where they are needed the most.
You don't need to doubt, Zimbabweans are welcoming, everyone in Zimbabwe is from somewhere in Africa and knows that . surnames like phiri, banda, lunga etc are Zambians and Malawians but no one fought in the past because we understand that an African is at home in Zimbabwe, we do as Zimbabweans have to answer the question on white Zimbabweans but as for African nationalities being accepted we passed , our first president bares a Zambian name, president banana. my own forebears came from South Africa in the beginning of the 1900 s.
No they wouldn't
So you prefer to rather become south Than fighting your government?
Zimbabweans once pushed against Zambians and Mazambicans. They are not the nicest of people
@@shadreckdangaphotography a country that cant take care of its own citizens can never claim to be welcoming
but the journalist is Zimbabwean and the lawyer is too that's why they are biased in their reporting.
We are allowed to enforce the law on top of this we have the highest unemployment in the world but we’re treated like we have countless of jobs leave us alone
Where does this man get his info from? And you say he’s a lawyer? Shoo! People are so entitled! They must go solve their problems and leave SA alone. Bathong!!!! And yet in their own country it’s illegal to employ foreigners.
The ANC government caused the problem when they decides to open the borders to the rest of Africa. Thabo Mbecki was the main driver of this problem faced.
Yes 👍
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We need critical skills. What were you doing here without proper documentation anyway? Just leave us alone please. 200 000? Just go guys.
After 12 years of document free living and you did not plan to get a standard permit? Such lazy folks.
YEP :) things dont square
Exactly!
Britain will send you to Rwanda
Not only Zimbabweans but Pakistans, Bangladesh, Nigerians and Somalis... The whole lot must Voetsek
We feel sorry for them but on the other hand most of them create a lot if illegal problems.
The numbers quoted on these news networks are never correct, there are millions of Zim nationals living here. More than half the country atleast...
The number is of ZEP holders that could be deported. There is roughly 1 to 5 million Zimbabwe immigrants in SA. The number facing deportation is at worst almost 2% or quite less.
@@First-Last_name yes you right half their country are here and guess what they are all under the ZEP umbrella stereotypes, critical skill or not ,they are here to destroy our country and occupy it at large ,heish we are in trouble here
STOP the B/S and LEAVE SOUTH AFRICANS alone M/Fs
In South Africa foreign people have entered our country illegally does any country in the world allow that?
Most don't, it's common sense and all countries have laws like that (some just don't enforce them), being deported when your permit is expired is not xenophobia
There's not enough jobs for South Africans and them
Nah, you guys just racist.
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South Africa have its biggest problems why don’t they fix they’re problems also Zimbabwe?they must leave!! Regardless of what
South Africans are racist
You also have a problem, why don't Zimbabwe fix their problems?
Zimbabweans go fight Mnangwangwa and leave us alone. And yes we're proudly Xenophobic msunu yenu.
😂😂😂
South Africa can implement thier laws the was they see fit. ZIM government should work on itself and build a future for its people. Other countries cannot carry the weight of another countries poor planning and policies. (its an unpopular but true opinion)
As much as we love Zimbos, it's about time they return home and rebuild Zimbabwe. South Africans also need those jobs, our unemployment is rife.
Wow, if every country will say that hmm I wonder if any south Africans will be among
This is particularly about South Africa and its problems, it has nothing to do with your country whatsoever
We?
South Africans in other countries are there legally
@@faridaally6184 and the 200 k Zims with the special permits are in SA legally ,Don't assume I'm in SA imm actually in Chicago Illinois as a Zim btw
The world sees you begin to target South Africa for refusing to do something that is against it’s national interest regarding BRICS.
There you go again, what xenophobia? You are just biased, and you want to creative tension between SA and Zim.
As a South African, I think it's fine for them to remain in South Africa provided they are paid the same salary as South Africans. South African teachers earn a good salary and would not need to wait tables as a side gig. Allowing Zimbabweans to be exploited like this teacher will keep South Africans out of the job market and this fuels tension and Xenophobia. The real perpetrator is businesses that exploit foreign nationals.
Easy solution, they must be sent home, we don't have to tolerate all this nonsense
We are sitting at a 36%unemployment rate. 45% of the population is living on grants. And 3 million graduates are unemployed.
They must be employed while many qualified teachers are sitting at home? What have you been smoking
They must be employed while many qualified teachers are sitting at home? What have you been smoking
@@youngmajali9523 Fresh air is my smoke of choice. I also get high from reading and education.
The law of SA says foreign nationals can only be hired if there are no SAns to take the job. Businesses deliberately offer low salaries and SAns refuse those jobs for obvious reasons. This loophole allows companies use foreigners as cheap labour because no SAns are applying for jobs that pay too little. The moment you offer high salaries for all nationalities then SAns will apply for the jobs and they will automatically and the law will be in their favour.
Chitando is wrong here. It's after 5 years of having a valid visa such as a work, study, spousal and business visa. The permits were always meant to be temporary and it was made clear that it would never be a path to PR.
Millions still eating the bitter harvest of ZANU-PF's politics.
They have been given 1 year 6 months (18 months) to apply for regular visas. Its funny that Simba tries to give a new meaning to the word temporary. And the law says you are entitled to permanent Residance if you have lived in the country on a regular(normal) visa not on a special dispensation. The judges will not cherry pick the meaning they want from the law like Simba, they will implement it as is.
This is happening all over the World.
True
Other countries in africa are doing it even global so why aren't you labeling them xenophobic but only South Africa?
Xenophobia is a term used to silence South Africa. See us if we care, we will never be silent.
Our country, our rules.
Crazy thing there is more people not documented at all.
Thats the thing if this is cancelled all zimbos will be targetted
All illegals first the trouble makers then the others
These permits were temporary anyway
We've been good to our neighbors assisting with medical facilities education, we have issues with unemployment we cant do it anymore
Just because South Africa was welcoming to Zimbabweans, it does not mean that we do not have problems of our own or dilemmas for that matter, Our systems are overloaded in particular healthcare, Social welfare, and policing for these individuals. We were portraying humanity to our fellow neighbors. Now it seems like we have allowed them to overstay their welcome hence this movement is being coined xenophobia move by external organizations like Helen Suzman Foundation with their double standards. There is a lot of poverty and an extremely wealthy frontier in our country yet you will find puppet organizations like Helen Suzman Foundation not coming with engaging efforts to help with our domestic problems. When there are international matters they are the first to lay bear our predicament without course to the world without putting the citizens of this country first.Shame....
What about thousands of South African youth who have teachers qualification s. The authorities of African countries must learn to take care their citizens. S.A cannot cope.
12 year temporary permit? And South Africa is Xenophobic? If we are being honest, Zimbabweans said once Mugabe dies they will rebuild their country and now "They would rather live elsewhere"
Dear Africans, please rebuild your countries so that we can also visit. We would also like to rebuild our own.
As an immigrant living in South Africa. I don’t think South Africa is being xenophobic for taking this action. Several years ago they did the same to Angolans living In South Africa. However I must mention that according to the South African constitution the only law they have breached is forcing Zimbabwe nationals to leave the country immediately where as in their constitution it clearly states under the circumstances where a foreign national is no longer permitted to live in South Africa he needs to be given enough time to decide the next country of choice. ACTS 130 of 1998
They are made to live immediately? When did you start to follow this case?
Does this apply if the permit card had expiration date on it & has been extended several times?
How much time do they need cos they already got 18 months
Dont forget it was extended twice before
This time they will not be lucky citizens are gatvol
Zimbabweans already overstayed their welcome. It's enough now
These ppl must just stand up to their government just as we are also doing. Becoz we all know even us SAns are also struggling.
When ZEP were issued, they knew that this won’t be used to apply for permanent residency , it was a temporary arrangement. If indeed the holders add any value to SA, they need to apply for all other Visas like any other immigrants which the government has had indicated that they are eligible to apply.
Why is this lawyer in South Africa , why not doing law in his country .
Zimbabweans must start to build they country, you can be running around forever fix the problem.
Not only Zimbabweans but all others including chinise and russians. South Africa is their launching pad to EU countries. Most common in Nursing and other health professionals.
Its time heads should turn to the swiss. They have built their country towards wealth exclusively on their own. The minute other countries are involved, they set limitations and their is a tab set to it. SA can deal with their own tabs, why allways be the lessor and follow by example. Why cant sa become the leading example to other countries. If we teach each other how to fish we will all go to bed without being hungry.
I'm Zimbabwean in the EU and have never been to that Cesspit south of the Limpopo. Y'all can continue destroying the economy without any land ownership ( which the Boers own ) and blame African immigrants
@@CorpusChristi-j8x imagine you saying that but are an immigrant in functional Europe. You should've stayed in your pit latrine of a country
You can't even spell chinese
@@CorpusChristi-j8x good stay there.
Your title is very misleading
South Africans we not xenophobic !! We patroitic !!!
We love our country & we want every other african country to do the same !!
You'd SWEAR it's a crime to be a proud and patriotic South African! This is RIDICULOUS! 🇿🇦 for 🇿🇦! That's IT!
Europe not wanting immigrants - Racist
Africans not wanting immigrants - Patriotic 🤣
Double standards
South Africa.
The Rainbow Country that does not want to get another color.
@@dein3086 who said that . Your useless country taking care of its citizens allocating low skilled jobs and putting its citizens first , it is putting its citizens first, when SA is doing the same, it is xenophobic.
then why would you promise people a path to residency & permanent citizenship then decide that you're actually going to deport? deception
Your introduction is dishonest. Those were temporary farm and domestic work permits that corrupt people accepted for work outside of their limits. Please also include South Africa’s own unemployment crisis, for a fair picture of the situation.
One country alone cannot accommodate and feed all of Africa. The infrastructure has not been coping for years, and out of work South Africans do not contribute to the tax base and therefore the country has less money to keep up with its responsibilities.
Factually incorrect. They were never granted residency, they were granted a permit to be in the country. There is no war in Zimbabwe, the people should consider rebuilding great Zimbabwe.
Cancel the permit