Because they're creators of the TV show Game Of Thrones, and they are the only ones. That's how it works in the business, has for a long time. besides, is the author of a book not very typically referred to as exactly that, the author? You know exactly what they're talking about in this case. Nobody who watches the show has ever been under the impression they invented this themselves as an original story. You're pissed off because you were disappointed in the final season, and I'm not saying at all that I don't understand how you feel. But that's irrelevant to what you're trying to make out here.
Can I just say how refreshing it is to hear an interviewer who knows what she's doing. Can we get her to school some of these entertainment reporters who try to ham it up? This was so interesting and she's so respectful but engaged them. Thanks!
Yea, the "go-to," lately, for interviewers who don't know what they're doing, is playing, "never have I ever," lol or making them do novelty tricks like, "the mystery box." But, usually it just devolves into an unwatchable cringe-fest lol I actually find myself skipping 90% of cast or crew/creator interviews altogether after seeing the first few minutes. Most of them are either filled with questions they have answered literally thousands of times already, or questions that will never illicit any information even resembling useful, let alone interesting.
they are proud in having episodes w little to know dialogue. changing characters to suit the actors. and focusing solely on the actors faces emoting looms to tell the story
Love the answers D B Weiss lays out. Can pretty much agree that how i feel watching and processing the show he explains everything just as it should be, but with intelligence and swag. Thank you DnD
Violence in a medieval setting. Hmm....what a new and fresh concept. But too much violence no matter what is bad right? I know, Sir Gregor Clegane and Oberyn Martell for instance, should have had a bowling match or played the best out of three matches of ping pong instead. By the way, before anyone triggers, these are all sarcastic remarks.
5 minutes in: Benioff: "We went into it with no experience in television whatsoever...We didn't have any production experience, so we came in kind of knowing how we wanted to write it, but not knowing anything about the casting process, the editing process, working with visual effects, working with production design, or all that stuff that you need to know, and it's been a steep learning curve." ---- *Over six years into this project, are you still waiting for the learning curve to "kick in"?*
Seppe Van Beneden wow the most normie response imaginable. If The Dragon Demands was in their position, yes it would be an objectively more compelling show! Any asshole can snort a bunch coke and shit out the kind of scripts Benioff and Weiss do while ruining a perfectly good story. It would take someone with actual intelligence to adapt a quality version of ASOIAF something the majority of book fans could handle much better than these drunken douchebags! The only thing that sets them apart is they beat someone better to the punch. I wouldn't even rule out a remake in the future, perhaps something animated even. It would be far better than this pandering garbage!
Mommie response. Did you come up with that all by yourself? Same message for you then Snort some coke, get some blow, grab a drink and start working on your version of the script when you're done crying in your corner.
I don't really care what people say, to me, they've done right by George's books to the best of their ability and I have tremendous respect for the both of them. Considering George's books were designed to be unadaptable, I consider what they've done an incredible feat. Now it's not to say they haven't had a few hiccups, even they've admitted it(in this interview XD) but they do love the series and I have huge respect for bringing the series to an end and not using it simply just as a money machine. I wish them all the best in their future projects.
+baddogonline I understand what u. Ean, but I disagree, the thing about the 5th season, which had the main issues imo, was that they were (long term) planning it out before ADWD had come out. I don't think they grew bored, I just think they had a lot of trouble adapting two books(which were meant to be one giant book originally) that also had a lot of issues of their own. Dorne was a whole other issue, they didn't actually want to go there in the first place and no excuse for that, but as for the rest it kinda came down to this. Were they do completely adapt both books with 100% faithfulness, it would end up being 3 maybe even 4 seasons and I know that might sound awesome at first glance, but the pacing would become incredibly slow, to the point where it would drastically hurt the show(mainly because television and books generally have a different narrative structure).
+baddogonline think about it, like even tho they adapted it into one season, which I think is a good thing because it allowed the really good storylines to move along fluently, they still had to think up their own climax to the series because the books had issues and the big climax that was meant for AFFC/ADWD got postponed. Instead we got Hardhome which is arguably one of the best additions to the show. S6 had issues to *cough cough Arya, but I definitely didn't believe they were bored, especially after the last two eps which were just some of the best eps of GOT we got since S4/Hardhome
+baddogonline as for plot holes, ya there have certainly been plot holes, I can def agree with you there, but for me nothing has been to inconsistent or damaging to ruin the series for me. Also I personally hated the Quarth storyline of S2 just as much as Dorne. S2 actually had more issues than S6 in my mind, *looks at Jaime, but it still didn't ruin the season, I loved it as I loved all seasons.
Striker163 I agree, Putting things to life from books is considerably difficult. Fantasy above all when you put into account the depth of imagination possible in writing. FIlm and books are two separate forms of art entirely.
@@WitchygirrlR wtf man, some people are so fkn dumb I can't belive it. It's another thing to write a series than a book. So even If they had a script in the first seasons it was their fkn thing to make this popular series, So if you say the first seasons were great, but Benioff and white are bad writers then it just makes absolutely no sense and shows the incompetence.
@What ? Show only moments? You mean stuff like Ed Sheeran cameo or Bronn fillers? The vast majority of people like GoT for the book-stuff like the red wedding, eddard's demise, the dragons being born, etc
D & D have done a good job. Some of their changes weren't the best but some of my favorite scenes never happened in the book like Baelish talking to Varys, Arya talking to Tywin at Harrenhal, Hardhome, characters like Bronn and Osha the wildling and more. "A bad act doesn't wash out the good nor a good the bad."
ijeleo92 Baelish talking to Varys was inconsistent of the former’s character though. He would never talk about his motives to another person such as Varys.
@What ? For the Baelish/Varys scenes, did you never feel that Petyr revealed a bit too much about himself for the conversation to be consistent with his character? I enjoyed the dialogue and exchange as much as the next man, but I don't see book Baelish ever having a conversation, where he reveals crucial details about his nature. As for Bran....well, why did you dislike that chapter? Bran having his first "vision" of the 3ER, being told that he has a major role to play in the coming Winter, and knowing that he is alive for a reason was quite an important scene. That chapter still gives me chills when I read it.
I also feel D & D did a decent job making the show. I didn't start watching until 2015 when they were almost 5 seasons in. Before that I'd hear of it here and there but never paid much attention. When I eventually took notice, there were three clips that convinced me I had to binge it from the beginning ASAP: The Baelish/Varys talk in the throne room The Cersei/Jaime talk when Jon Arryn died And then subsequently confirming my suspicion a few moments later when they were caught f**kin! Without the intrigue of these scenes I probably wouldn't have picked up the books either so kudos to D & D. It's a fine show.
I think that the representation of rape in the show is one of the most important things that they've done. They're not using it as some sort of artistic nude painting like some criminal shows do, but they're putting it there realistically for what it is. This is a reality that women have faced for all of our existence, especially in a patriarchal society, more so in the medieval ages, but still today, and it's important to discuss it. It's the only way we go forward!
Okay there is a difference between portraying the horrible reality of rape, and taking a character who's arc and storyline is butchered because the writers want shock. They take a character who is supposed to have complex character growth, reduced to a rape victim.
Dan hit it on the head with how GOT isn't going to be everyones cup of tea. people don't need to watch it if they're offended by a part, just don't ruin it for others IMO.
It’s great that these two and George found each other and then did a deal with hbo. Hear stories about shows and film, depending on networks or companies, that there’s the written work and talent ready to go then there are notes passed down saying change this/that/too rude scrub that, trying to sanitise the original to make it pg to gain a bigger audience
You guys has done an amazing job so proud of you guys this show turn out to be the number one show in history and the most watched to be honest I was not going to watch GOT when first advertised however I got hooked from the first episode and so glad I did decided to watch that first episode
these two need to be banned from doing anything creativity-related. They can go write their own story if they want, but never can they be allowed to even touch another author's work again
@What ? even if martin would have finished the books d&d only wanted 7 seasons even tho hbo and grrm said 10-11....hbo had to push em to 8...i guess even if books were finished they would have only done 8 seasons only coz they wanted to get it over with.....tho i ak not denying they did a wonderful job when they were dedicated se1to4....
Hey man, i felt disapointed with series often, despite the fact season 1 prompted me to read the books 3x. Point is Benioff is an amazing novelist in his own, read city of thieves, then judge
esto lo han hecho desde siempre. Los griegos re escribían sus obras una y otra vez, siempre adaptándolas a las necesidades de la audiencia, sin embargo eso no hacía una obra peor o mejor que la anterior, hacía dos obras distintas. Canción de hielo y fuego es una gran obra, y Juego de Tronos también, son distintas. Es injusto compararlas como una derivación, porque si ese fuera el caso podría decirse que George RR Martin no respeta en nada la obra de Maurice Druon. No son adaptaciones, son re invenciones. Agradezco a estos hombres por traer series de calidad a la TV, y a George RR Martin por reavivar el género fantástico literario de forma original, que desde hace años se venía dedicando a "reinventar" a Tolkien.
I couldn't understand almost every word that was spoken. I bought a surround sound system and I still couldn't understand it really loud. I know there is Stark and Lannister. Other than that I have no idea what's going on.
2018: Me: the writers are shit and game of throne is becoming trash Normie fans: can you make any of these? Only people who can make it can cRiTiCiZe tv. 2019: Me: I think this season is... Normie fans: Shit! It's shit!
The book snobs forget that the show is based on the original content, but made for television. Considering there's so much content, they manage to adapt it really well.
As a book snob, the reason of my hatred is much deeper than just "a few changes". You don't even have to read the books to understand, just watch season five and six, take notes and think and see for yourself. I must be honest and say that it's not good, just lazy.
Making changes is OK. We all knew they would have to make changes. But the problem is that their changes have been bad. Really bad. Embarrassingly bad.
Look obviously the show is not going to be like the books. They are two different mediums. You can tell complex story and create much more elaborate worlds in books because the limit is literally your imagination. You can not do as much in a visual medium. There are budget constraints, and more importantly time constraints. That is why so much gets left out of the show, like the complex Dorne storyline. So cutting stuff is not the problem. The problem is these two writers. The ONLY reason they added Dorne into an already packed season, was because they got Indira Varma to play Ellaria. They have admitted in the past they are huge fans of her. They loved her in HBO's Rome. In fact they were aspiring for Game of thrones to be the next Rome when they pitched the show to HBO back in 2009. So knowing they cast Varma left them starstruck. But the problem was they did not just want her playing Ellaria, which they thought was too minor a role for her. They shoehorned in an entire plotline from the book which they didn't plan to have because they knew it was too complex and difficult to include in the show, just because they got Varma. And once they got her, they showed her off like a new car. They gave her Ariannes storyline of wanting revenge, war against the Lannisters. They wanted to showcase how well Varma can emote. So they gave all they picked out the coolest scenes from the book and gave them to Varma. That scene where Ellaria pours the wine when they are toasting to peace, that was supposed to be Obara. It just shows how these writers were not concerned about motivations that made sense for the characters or served the plot. They just wanted to show off an actor. And that may not seem that bad until you learn they are even more incompetent. If you go look at interviews from the rest of the crew working on the show, you see they had to bend over backwards to make Dorne work. That was because of the limited time and restrictions they had on the location of filming. It was actually a museum that also happened to be a Medieval islamic castle. But D and D were so excited to film there that they didn't' t care about how restrictions would strain production. They had seven days to film there. They could only film during the day, and nothing could be done on location to accommodate for the cinematography. According to the crew, these were not things they considered, or even cared about. This puts so much stress on your director, cinematographer, choreographer, and costume designer. To go through ALL that shit for a rushed storyline that only exist to show off ONE actor, is abhorrent. And the battle of the bastards was a nightmare for everyone involved. There were professionals part of the crew telling D and D ( who have gone out of their way to remind people of their inexperience ) that the filming for BOTB would need so much more time. And they just did not care. I will not mention the nonsense of Arya's or the butchering of Stannis's storylines. The show is what it is because f the rest of the cast and crew, not these two. But I can say life sure does imitate art. This reminds me too much of when Robert was in power. You had Ned Stark come in believing that Robert is a great ruler because the realm is at peace. He does not believe when Roberts council tell him that their job is damage control for Robert's excessiveness. We're Ned, D&D are both Robert.
Kittycutie they did not add the embarrassing Dorne arc from season 6 onwards to save time or money. The original story was a lot cheaper and took less time.
Knight who says Ni amen. They butchered him. It's really sad, he is such an intriguing complex character. His motivations are so terrible in the series, and his persona. The only thing they got right imho is the fact he doesn't smile. They also ruined littlefinger they made him so obvious a deceiver and villain.
@@vyro3794 dannys story is boring as fuck.... the only interesting stuff everything around her. Poor character and an uninspiring actress. Im talking about the show version.
It's not the existence of rape in a pseudo-medieval story. I'm not a child and have read enough history, and lived enough life, to understand it has happened in all eras and particularly in periods like that. It's the ham-handedness and then totally poor handling of audience concerns when brought up (dismissive, not listening.) My friend said of a scene "Jesus they are using rape as set-dressing now? The Jamie-Cersei scene could have been saved by having Cersei just utter "yes " once (as done in books and as actors reportedly say was filmed) It's THEM,, D&DB not the story or reality of rape, The condescension and poorly handled PR in response to claims that sucked. Still love it, expect to watc S7, though on the fence about being so far ahead of hte books. If it were a totally separate animal as the books I'd be thrilled to have two awesome things, but it's stuff like 'Hodor' being given a way and the goal to end up 'in the same place' that makes me wonder if I'm going to regret it. Also NO SAPOCHNIK :)
Damn the begrudgers, this show will be remembered as one of the greatest ever. It is rather telling that a politician gives out about the sexual content of the show when another theme of the GoT is how corrupt politics is!
@@stevena.7022 I do understand the disappointment with the last 2 seasons, of course I do, but I also think D and D told the story Martin wanted to tell. They may of lacked the writing finesse, but Danny actually turning out to be 'the bad guy' was hiding in plain sight all along. Had the lads taken their time, they may well of fleshed out the idea of people being seduced by her beauty, while being blind to how cruel she could often be. In any case, I hope D and D can walk the streets now. For a while I'd say they hid away!!
Reofive no. It no longer even resembles the magnificence of Martin. It became Hollywood and not the truly amazing classical literature like story telling. It
there are obviously moments that are great, particularly in season six. there was a period when D&D ran out of source material and GRRM quit contributing as much to the show's production around season five when the quality took a major dive. the production value, acting, SFX, costumes, and music have all been great throughout the years. the dialogue, however, is the most tragic aspect in the most recent seasons when compared to older material.
@What ? i could make a similar counter argument that D&D were surrounded by writers, producers, consulting producers, as well as being supported by a multi-billion dollar media conglomerate. meanwhile, gurm solo writes on a flintstone-era computer in a bedroom. the dialogue took a dive, regardless of the reason.
David Benioff is obviously a talented writer, his ability to create powerful and engaging dialogue and memorable characters is widely acclaimed, but even more so, his stories careen along beautifully and truly shine in both his novels and screenplays. However, I just learned that David Benioff will be writing the screenplay for "Dirty White Boys" after he finishes GOT, which will mark the fourth consecutive piece of work by Benioff which includes brutal rapes and/or descriptions of sexual assault. Starting with "The Kite Runner" (which involves the traumatic rape of the young boy Hassan) then in his own Historical Fiction novel "City Of Thieves" (where Russian girls are forced into sexual relations with German officers) shortly after. Followed by the insanely popular "Game Of Thrones" series (where Ramsey continuously rapes Sansa Stark) and now, Benioff has stated that he will adapt "Dirty White Boys" into film (which includes descriptions of brutal prison rapes between inmates). Maybe it is a very strange (and perverse) coincidence that his career has lead him to 4 consecutive projects that include rape and sexual assaults. Yet it seems that if Benioff was truly disgusted and offended by rape, he would remove himself from productions that continue to involve the subject of sexual assault. Perhaps I am being too sensitive or overly critical of a talented writer (I've read or watched everything Benioff has worked on: novels, short story collections, and screenplays). Despite everything, Benioff's career has been ultra-successful, and the man is very talented. I simply hope that one day Benioff will avoid working on a project that includes rape, 4 consecutive projects is a bit much ; I dread and despise (not nearly as much as I imagine he does) the title in which his harshest critics have nicknamed him: the 'rape-writer'. It is a truly awful title and it would tarnish the legacy (if it catches steam) of an ambitious and talented man; and without question Benioff could write powerful novels/screenplays without the inclusion of rape whenever he chooses to do so. I truly hope he changes his career trajectory and uses his gift on other projects before it is too late. Written By: A sincere fan.
There is zero self-reflection from these two on any topic, unfortunately, they're much too in love with their own work. However, I don't see any merit in the criticism of the rape scene in Season 5. The one in Season 4 however, is far more problematic.
Why did she highlight they're jews ? why are jews so obsessed with this ? now they've flopped I don't think you'd see them mentioning they're jews in any future interview since these chosen people are obsessed with prestige
I think you all are angry on a whole other level that you are not willing to admit to. GoT has us questioning everything, doesn't it? Look in the MIRROR.
as great as they enjoyed writing a season that didn't follow the books... personal enjoyment has no correlation to doing the job correctly season 5 was when the story became wonky donkey
Why are they calling these guys the creators as if they came up with the storyline from the beginning?
Michael Suder Should be Show Creators or showrunners.
Because they're creators of the TV show Game Of Thrones, and they are the only ones. That's how it works in the business, has for a long time. besides, is the author of a book not very typically referred to as exactly that, the author? You know exactly what they're talking about in this case. Nobody who watches the show has ever been under the impression they invented this themselves as an original story.
You're pissed off because you were disappointed in the final season, and I'm not saying at all that I don't understand how you feel. But that's irrelevant to what you're trying to make out here.
Because this is a Phony Puff-Piece, like almost everything else TV-related on UA-cam.
What an amazing interviewer. She really did her research. A delight!
Can I just say how refreshing it is to hear an interviewer who knows what she's doing. Can we get her to school some of these entertainment reporters who try to ham it up? This was so interesting and she's so respectful but engaged them. Thanks!
Yea, the "go-to," lately, for interviewers who don't know what they're doing, is playing, "never have I ever," lol or making them do novelty tricks like, "the mystery box."
But, usually it just devolves into an unwatchable cringe-fest lol I actually find myself skipping 90% of cast or crew/creator interviews altogether after seeing the first few minutes.
Most of them are either filled with questions they have answered literally thousands of times already, or questions that will never illicit any information even resembling useful, let alone interesting.
they are proud in having episodes w little to know dialogue. changing characters to suit the actors. and focusing solely on the actors faces emoting looms to tell the story
Love the answers D B Weiss lays out. Can pretty much agree that how i feel watching and processing the show he explains everything just as it should be, but with intelligence and swag. Thank you DnD
Violence in a medieval setting. Hmm....what a new and fresh concept.
But too much violence no matter what is bad right? I know, Sir Gregor Clegane and Oberyn Martell for instance, should have had a bowling match or played the best out of three matches of ping pong instead.
By the way, before anyone triggers, these are all sarcastic remarks.
5 minutes in: Benioff: "We went into it with no experience in television whatsoever...We didn't have any production experience, so we came in kind of knowing how we wanted to write it, but not knowing anything about the casting process, the editing process, working with visual effects, working with production design, or all that stuff that you need to know, and it's been a steep learning curve." ---- *Over six years into this project, are you still waiting for the learning curve to "kick in"?*
wtf are u on about? they said:" it has been a steep learning curve". that means it obv has already kicked in.
The Dragon Demands preach!
Get a life dude. If you think it's that easy, do it yourself.
Seppe Van Beneden wow the most normie response imaginable. If The Dragon Demands was in their position, yes it would be an objectively more compelling show! Any asshole can snort a bunch coke and shit out the kind of scripts Benioff and Weiss do while ruining a perfectly good story. It would take someone with actual intelligence to adapt a quality version of ASOIAF something the majority of book fans could handle much better than these drunken douchebags! The only thing that sets them apart is they beat someone better to the punch. I wouldn't even rule out a remake in the future, perhaps something animated even. It would be far better than this pandering garbage!
Mommie response. Did you come up with that all by yourself? Same message for you then Snort some coke, get some blow, grab a drink and start working on your version of the script when you're done crying in your corner.
I don't really care what people say, to me, they've done right by George's books to the best of their ability and I have tremendous respect for the both of them. Considering George's books were designed to be unadaptable, I consider what they've done an incredible feat. Now it's not to say they haven't had a few hiccups, even they've admitted it(in this interview XD) but they do love the series and I have huge respect for bringing the series to an end and not using it simply just as a money machine. I wish them all the best in their future projects.
+baddogonline I understand what u. Ean, but I disagree, the thing about the 5th season, which had the main issues imo, was that they were (long term) planning it out before ADWD had come out. I don't think they grew bored, I just think they had a lot of trouble adapting two books(which were meant to be one giant book originally) that also had a lot of issues of their own. Dorne was a whole other issue, they didn't actually want to go there in the first place and no excuse for that, but as for the rest it kinda came down to this. Were they do completely adapt both books with 100% faithfulness, it would end up being 3 maybe even 4 seasons and I know that might sound awesome at first glance, but the pacing would become incredibly slow, to the point where it would drastically hurt the show(mainly because television and books generally have a different narrative structure).
+baddogonline think about it, like even tho they adapted it into one season, which I think is a good thing because it allowed the really good storylines to move along fluently, they still had to think up their own climax to the series because the books had issues and the big climax that was meant for AFFC/ADWD got postponed. Instead we got Hardhome which is arguably one of the best additions to the show. S6 had issues to *cough cough Arya, but I definitely didn't believe they were bored, especially after the last two eps which were just some of the best eps of GOT we got since S4/Hardhome
+baddogonline as for plot holes, ya there have certainly been plot holes, I can def agree with you there, but for me nothing has been to inconsistent or damaging to ruin the series for me. Also I personally hated the Quarth storyline of S2 just as much as Dorne. S2 actually had more issues than S6 in my mind, *looks at Jaime, but it still didn't ruin the season, I loved it as I loved all seasons.
Striker163 this comment is underrated
Striker163 I agree, Putting things to life from books is considerably difficult. Fantasy above all when you put into account the depth of imagination possible in writing. FIlm and books are two separate forms of art entirely.
Much respect for these 2 gentlemen they created the best tv show ever
Tawanda Chimiti and then ruined it
Funny way of saying stole and ruined.
@@WitchygirrlR wtf man, some people are so fkn dumb I can't belive it. It's another thing to write a series than a book. So even If they had a script in the first seasons it was their fkn thing to make this popular series, So if you say the first seasons were great, but Benioff and white are bad writers then it just makes absolutely no sense and shows the incompetence.
This did not age well
I laughed so hard
You poor summer child
Well done, Ms Franklin! Thank you.
I think they've done a good job. People love to criticize, yet most of them haven't achieved anything in their own miserable lives.
Ad hominen attacks do not an argument maketh.
They created nothing. It was George RR Martin who made everything that's good. What do you think of season 8?
@What ? Show only moments? You mean stuff like Ed Sheeran cameo or Bronn fillers? The vast majority of people like GoT for the book-stuff like the red wedding, eddard's demise, the dragons being born, etc
D & D have done a good job. Some of their changes weren't the best but some of my favorite scenes never happened in the book like Baelish talking to Varys, Arya talking to Tywin at Harrenhal, Hardhome, characters like Bronn and Osha the wildling and more.
"A bad act doesn't wash out the good nor a good the bad."
ijeleo92 Please just watch 'The Dragon Demands' videos. He analyzes the writers choices without the rose colored glasses.
ijeleo92 Baelish talking to Varys was inconsistent of the former’s character though. He would never talk about his motives to another person such as Varys.
@What ? I'm curious...why did you think the Bran waking up scene and Baelish/Varys scenes were an improvement?
@What ? For the Baelish/Varys scenes, did you never feel that Petyr revealed a bit too much about himself for the conversation to be consistent with his character? I enjoyed the dialogue and exchange as much as the next man, but I don't see book Baelish ever having a conversation, where he reveals crucial details about his nature.
As for Bran....well, why did you dislike that chapter? Bran having his first "vision" of the 3ER, being told that he has a major role to play in the coming Winter, and knowing that he is alive for a reason was quite an important scene. That chapter still gives me chills when I read it.
I also feel D & D did a decent job making the show. I didn't start watching until 2015 when they were almost 5 seasons in. Before that I'd hear of it here and there but never paid much attention. When I eventually took notice, there were three clips that convinced me I had to binge it from the beginning ASAP:
The Baelish/Varys talk in the throne room
The Cersei/Jaime talk when Jon Arryn died
And then subsequently confirming my suspicion a few moments later when they were caught f**kin!
Without the intrigue of these scenes I probably wouldn't have picked up the books either so kudos to D & D. It's a fine show.
SEASON 8: a dictionary, a pair of scissors and a dartboard
0:36 here’s your sign
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I think that the representation of rape in the show is one of the most important things that they've done. They're not using it as some sort of artistic nude painting like some criminal shows do, but they're putting it there realistically for what it is. This is a reality that women have faced for all of our existence, especially in a patriarchal society, more so in the medieval ages, but still today, and it's important to discuss it. It's the only way we go forward!
Okay there is a difference between portraying the horrible reality of rape, and taking a character who's arc and storyline is butchered because the writers want shock. They take a character who is supposed to have complex character growth, reduced to a rape victim.
Kittycutie if you think anyone on this show is just a rape victim... You need to grow up
dude...just stop.
Dan hit it on the head with how GOT isn't going to be everyones cup of tea. people don't need to watch it if they're offended by a part, just don't ruin it for others IMO.
It’s great that these two and George found each other and then did a deal with hbo. Hear stories about shows and film, depending on networks or companies, that there’s the written work and talent ready to go then there are notes passed down saying change this/that/too rude scrub that, trying to sanitise the original to make it pg to gain a bigger audience
Can we start calling "Show Runners" Executive Directors please? That's what they're doing! The title fits the job description a lot better.
I'll write a letter, k?
Thank You Marcia
Job Well Done
Bravo
You guys completely blew it. Epic Fail season by far!!!
Please tell me the main fails you think about. I am interested in.
You didn't create shit. GRRM is the one true king.
A great interview
You guys has done an amazing job so proud of you guys this show turn out to be the number one show in history and the most watched to be honest I was not going to watch GOT when first advertised however I got hooked from the first episode and so glad I did decided to watch that first episode
Dumb & Dumber. I can't wait for your future shows guys, I bet they're gonna rock
best nickname ever
these two need to be banned from doing anything creativity-related. They can go write their own story if they want, but never can they be allowed to even touch another author's work again
@What ? even if martin would have finished the books d&d only wanted 7 seasons even tho hbo and grrm said 10-11....hbo had to push em to 8...i guess even if books were finished they would have only done 8 seasons only coz they wanted to get it over with.....tho i ak not denying they did a wonderful job when they were dedicated se1to4....
Hey man, i felt disapointed with series often, despite the fact season 1 prompted me to read the books 3x. Point is Benioff is an amazing novelist in his own, read city of thieves, then judge
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Dumb & Dumber the destroyers of the best show on television.
esto lo han hecho desde siempre. Los griegos re escribían sus obras una y otra vez, siempre adaptándolas a las necesidades de la audiencia, sin embargo eso no hacía una obra peor o mejor que la anterior, hacía dos obras distintas.
Canción de hielo y fuego es una gran obra, y Juego de Tronos también, son distintas. Es injusto compararlas como una derivación, porque si ese fuera el caso podría decirse que George RR Martin no respeta en nada la obra de Maurice Druon. No son adaptaciones, son re invenciones.
Agradezco a estos hombres por traer series de calidad a la TV, y a George RR Martin por reavivar el género fantástico literario de forma original, que desde hace años se venía dedicando a "reinventar" a Tolkien.
I couldn't understand almost every word that was spoken.
I bought a surround sound system and I still couldn't understand it really loud.
I know there is Stark and Lannister.
Other than that I have no idea what's going on.
2018:
Me: the writers are shit and game of throne is becoming trash
Normie fans: can you make any of these? Only people who can make it can cRiTiCiZe tv.
2019:
Me: I think this season is...
Normie fans: Shit! It's shit!
I have no problem with sexposition as a device to move the story forward...I am just saying.
Well done
Some people are bitter because they changed some things from the book but it is a tv series. And remarkable one, I say good job David&Dan!
The book snobs forget that the show is based on the original content, but made for television. Considering there's so much content, they manage to adapt it really well.
As a book snob, the reason of my hatred is much deeper than just "a few
changes". You don't even have to read the books to understand, just
watch season five and six, take notes and think and see for yourself.
I must be honest and say that it's not good, just lazy.
Making changes is OK. We all knew they would have to make changes. But the problem is that their changes have been bad. Really bad. Embarrassingly bad.
Look obviously the show is not going to be like the books. They are two different mediums. You can tell complex story and create much more elaborate worlds in books because the limit is literally your imagination. You can not do as much in a visual medium. There are budget constraints, and more importantly time constraints. That is why so much gets left out of the show, like the complex Dorne storyline. So cutting stuff is not the problem. The problem is these two writers. The ONLY reason they added Dorne into an already packed season, was because they got Indira Varma to play Ellaria. They have admitted in the past they are huge fans of her. They loved her in HBO's Rome. In fact they were aspiring for Game of thrones to be the next Rome when they pitched the show to HBO back in 2009. So knowing they cast Varma left them starstruck. But the problem was they did not just want her playing Ellaria, which they thought was too minor a role for her. They shoehorned in an entire plotline from the book which they didn't plan to have because they knew it was too complex and difficult to include in the show, just because they got Varma. And once they got her, they showed her off like a new car. They gave her Ariannes storyline of wanting revenge, war against the Lannisters. They wanted to showcase how well Varma can emote. So they gave all they picked out the coolest scenes from the book and gave them to Varma. That scene where Ellaria pours the wine when they are toasting to peace, that was supposed to be Obara. It just shows how these writers were not concerned about motivations that made sense for the characters or served the plot. They just wanted to show off an actor. And that may not seem that bad until you learn they are even more incompetent. If you go look at interviews from the rest of the crew working on the show, you see they had to bend over backwards to make Dorne work. That was because of the limited time and restrictions they had on the location of filming. It was actually a museum that also happened to be a Medieval islamic castle. But D and D were so excited to film there that they didn't' t care about how restrictions would strain production. They had seven days to film there. They could only film during the day, and nothing could be done on location to accommodate for the cinematography. According to the crew, these were not things they considered, or even cared about. This puts so much stress on your director, cinematographer, choreographer, and costume designer. To go through ALL that shit for a rushed storyline that only exist to show off ONE actor, is abhorrent. And the battle of the bastards was a nightmare for everyone involved. There were professionals part of the crew telling D and D ( who have gone out of their way to remind people of their inexperience ) that the filming for BOTB would need so much more time. And they just did not care. I will not mention the nonsense of Arya's or the butchering of Stannis's storylines. The show is what it is because f the rest of the cast and crew, not these two. But I can say life sure does imitate art. This reminds me too much of when Robert was in power. You had Ned Stark come in believing that Robert is a great ruler because the realm is at peace. He does not believe when Roberts council tell him that their job is damage control for Robert's excessiveness. We're Ned, D&D are both Robert.
Kittycutie they did not add the embarrassing Dorne arc from season 6 onwards to save time or money. The original story was a lot cheaper and took less time.
I love 💕 Dan and Dave they did a spectacular job with GOT
I hope you're being sarcastic
Said nobody ever
@@Iarenzo So stop watching you fucking docile moron?
@@mike_bobagens People have different opinions, some aren't whiny little bitches that love to criticise every miniscule thing. Shocking, I know right?
They did on Seasons 1 - 4
Ser-say? That's what David B. called Sansa.
Thank you so much for ruining my favourite character, Stannis Baratheon.
Knight who says Ni amen. They butchered him. It's really sad, he is such an intriguing complex character. His motivations are so terrible in the series, and his persona. The only thing they got right imho is the fact he doesn't smile. They also ruined littlefinger they made him so obvious a deceiver and villain.
They ruined everything.
Fuck stannis Baratheon! Team Daenerys
@@vyro3794 dannys story is boring as fuck.... the only interesting stuff everything around her. Poor character and an uninspiring actress.
Im talking about the show version.
Blood0cean why did you like stannis so much?
Lol that intro is so fucking Idaho. Also, what a WEIRD interview to be an exclusive to IPT.
I am hoping that they will make another TV Show based on the book of Anne Rice: Mayfair Chronicles. Haha
NOOOOOO NOOOOOO NOOOOOO
This guy should have stayed a late night DJ
It's not the existence of rape in a pseudo-medieval story. I'm not a child and have read enough history, and lived enough life, to understand it has happened in all eras and particularly in periods like that. It's the ham-handedness and then totally poor handling of audience concerns when brought up (dismissive, not listening.) My friend said of a scene "Jesus they are using rape as set-dressing now? The Jamie-Cersei scene could have been saved by having Cersei just utter "yes " once (as done in books and as actors reportedly say was filmed) It's THEM,, D&DB not the story or reality of rape, The condescension and poorly handled PR in response to claims that sucked. Still love it, expect to watc S7, though on the fence about being so far ahead of hte books. If it were a totally separate animal as the books I'd be thrilled to have two awesome things, but it's stuff like 'Hodor' being given a way and the goal to end up 'in the same place' that makes me wonder if I'm going to regret it. Also NO SAPOCHNIK :)
Persephone SGJones you know hold the door has been a theory since people first read the children + bran scenes. Read ASOIAF forum.
George Martin is the wizard/king ... these two clowns are pretenders to the throne
LOVEEEEE THESE GUYS
Why are these guys in Idaho?
Marcia Franklin is a great interviewer.
Because David Benioff worked at a radio station and possibly grew up or went to college there.
they kinda forgot
these nerds destroyed got
Damn the begrudgers, this show will be remembered as one of the greatest ever. It is rather telling that a politician gives out about the sexual content of the show when another theme of the GoT is how corrupt politics is!
Remembered as a cautionary tale of Icarus proportions.
@@stevena.7022 I do understand the disappointment with the last 2 seasons, of course I do, but I also think D and D told the story Martin wanted to tell. They may of lacked the writing finesse, but Danny actually turning out to be 'the bad guy' was hiding in plain sight all along. Had the lads taken their time, they may well of fleshed out the idea of people being seduced by her beauty, while being blind to how cruel she could often be. In any case, I hope D and D can walk the streets now. For a while I'd say they hid away!!
after all that jhow did, treated the same as if it were a criminal, parabens there or son of a bitch for spoiling the best series of history
Do you guys think D&D have written the series well since Season 5?
Reofive no. It no longer even resembles the magnificence of Martin. It became Hollywood and not the truly amazing classical literature like story telling. It
there are obviously moments that are great, particularly in season six. there was a period when D&D ran out of source material and GRRM quit contributing as much to the show's production around season five when the quality took a major dive. the production value, acting, SFX, costumes, and music have all been great throughout the years. the dialogue, however, is the most tragic aspect in the most recent seasons when compared to older material.
@What ? i could make a similar counter argument that D&D were surrounded by writers, producers, consulting producers, as well as being supported by a multi-billion dollar media conglomerate. meanwhile, gurm solo writes on a flintstone-era computer in a bedroom. the dialogue took a dive, regardless of the reason.
David Benioff is obviously a talented writer, his ability to create powerful and engaging dialogue and memorable characters is widely acclaimed, but even more so, his stories careen along beautifully and truly shine in both his novels and screenplays. However, I just learned that David Benioff will be writing the screenplay for "Dirty White Boys" after he finishes GOT, which will mark the fourth consecutive piece of work by Benioff which includes brutal rapes and/or descriptions of sexual assault. Starting with "The Kite Runner" (which involves the traumatic rape of the young boy Hassan) then in his own Historical Fiction novel "City Of Thieves" (where Russian girls are forced into sexual relations with German officers) shortly after. Followed by the insanely popular "Game Of Thrones" series (where Ramsey continuously rapes Sansa Stark) and now, Benioff has stated that he will adapt "Dirty White Boys" into film (which includes descriptions of brutal prison rapes between inmates). Maybe it is a very strange (and perverse) coincidence that his career has lead him to 4 consecutive projects that include rape and sexual assaults. Yet it seems that if Benioff was truly disgusted and offended by rape, he would remove himself from productions that continue to involve the subject of sexual assault. Perhaps I am being too sensitive or overly critical of a talented writer (I've read or watched everything Benioff has worked on: novels, short story collections, and screenplays). Despite everything, Benioff's career has been ultra-successful, and the man is very talented. I simply hope that one day Benioff will avoid working on a project that includes rape, 4 consecutive projects is a bit much ; I dread and despise (not nearly as much as I imagine he does) the title in which his harshest critics have nicknamed him: the 'rape-writer'. It is a truly awful title and it would tarnish the legacy (if it catches steam) of an ambitious and talented man; and without question Benioff could write powerful novels/screenplays without the inclusion of rape whenever he chooses to do so. I truly hope he changes his career trajectory and uses his gift on other projects before it is too late.
Written By: A sincere fan.
There is zero self-reflection from these two with regards to the legitimate "rape as set dressing" criticism--just utter dismissal.
There is zero self-reflection from these two on any topic, unfortunately, they're much too in love with their own work. However, I don't see any merit in the criticism of the rape scene in Season 5. The one in Season 4 however, is far more problematic.
I dunt want it, shes mah qwen. There I wrote it for you.
Damn lol.
Creating and destroying Game of Thrones
Marcia Marcia Marcia. Who the f#%*+ still uses DVD...
Why did she highlight they're jews ? why are jews so obsessed with this ? now they've flopped I don't think you'd see them mentioning they're jews in any future interview since these chosen people are obsessed with prestige
I have yet to see them mention it or anything for that matter since they bailed on comic con
These 2 are hacks. Completely ruined the show
Loser
Dump and dumpest
Terrible decisions in this last season, way to ruin one of the best shows ever
I think you all are angry on a whole other level that you are not willing to admit to. GoT has us questioning everything, doesn't it? Look in the MIRROR.
as great as they enjoyed writing a season that didn't follow the books... personal enjoyment has no correlation to doing the job correctly
season 5 was when the story became wonky donkey
She is terrible at a to presenter/interviewer
There's always people bitching about interviewers, just fuck off