3 BODY PROBLEM creators talk adaptation, GAME OF THRONES ending, STAR WARS I Happy Sad Confused
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
- The creators of 3 BODY PROBLEM know something about scrutinized book to screen adaptations. David Benioff & D.B. Weiss (GAME OF THRONES) and Alexander Woo (TRUE BLOOD) join Josh to talk about their complex audacious new series, their sci-fi influences, their favorite character deaths and that GAME OF THRONES ending. #happysadconfused #joshhorowitz #3bodyproblem #gameofthrones
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00:00 Introduction
01:45 Nervous when a show premieres?
02:37 GAME OF THRONES premiere memories
04:52 Fandom relationships
10:49 Sci-fi influences
12:24 Ad -- BetterHelp
13:57 V influence
17:39 3 BODY PROBLEM challenges
20:36 First contact stories
23:32 Real world parallels
25:59 Aliens
27:04 Biggest challenge
29:13 Favorite character deaths
32:02 Binge model
33:46 Barack Obama cameo
34:45 Ad -- ZocDoc
36:27 GAME OF THRONES ending
38:48 STAR WARS
40:34 3 BODY PROBLEM future
42:13 Profoundly Random Questions
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Its trash, made by two of the most talentless hacks to ever exist
They will never admit how shitty what they did was, they thought fuck the show we're gunna do star wars and lets just phone it in. They didnt give a shit about resolving the story in a satisfying way
Well, then that’s a faithful adaptation of George’s work since he doesn’t give a damn about resolving his story either.
@@poub06 fair 🤣 that made me laugh
I always love to hear/read about D&D thoughts about season 8 in general. I hate that they basically hid under a rock once they got a negative reception (which is totally warranted) but I like to know about creators' explanations about writing decisions
Yep
They cannot comment on their writing decisions publicly regarding the final seasons of game of thrones, because those choices were made purely for financial reasons (to end the show as quickly as possible on the contracts they signed when they were less famous, and jump ASAP to the biggest paycheck they can find. First HBO, then Star Wars, then Netflix. Whoever would pay the most). If you're curious on their writing decisions you'd be best to reach out to their lawyers or agents, they decided what happened in the final season of that show.
Game of Thrones has by FAR the worst ending I have ever seen no debate. and "Lost" had broken me before this series.
They had the chance to make the best series EVER and they ruined it.They rushed the last 2 seasons to get out of there and make Star Wars movies that didn't even happen in the end. So it's their fault. Not a plot fault. They could have not rushed so much and we could have seen at least 10 episodes each season. They cut characters development, if we have more episodes or maybe one more season between the last two, we could have the opportunity to understand the choices that every character made. BUT they preferred to do it quickly in order to move on to their following projects. So shame on them.
I do hope they learned from Game of Thrones as it did seem that they went “we’ve made it now so we let’s wrap this up quickly so we can move onto Star Wars”.
I think an extra season of Game of Thrones would have helped balance it out a lot better but they wanted outta there
To be fair, they probably won’t do another series that has that many characters and is spread that far across the map. There is no comparison made yet at least.
Just give me the timestamp on where they talk GOT S8….
36:18
He’s moving because he truly values your podcast Horowitz 😂
Thank you for your services!
36:41 what do YOU like about it?
"there are dozens of us" ahahahahahahaha
People really forget or were just unaware that True Blood was really the first huge series to go so hard with anything can happen! Drugs, sex, violence rarely go so well with comedy & genuine entertainment in a main series.
The ending of GOT is THE WORST ending for a TV show in history!
You need to watch more TV show.
@@poub06you need to read more books
@@jabrondestoroyah Ho. Nice one. Not even remotely related, but nice one.
They think they know too much! No respect for these two!
I miss 26-episode seasons of TV. I was like "more please?".
Depends on the show
These two living in a world where nepotism is sexy. They have no idea what fans would want or what a high-quality story looks like.
D & D made their own beds with the way they wrote the ending. I feel bad for the loads of hate they most likey still get, but they destroyed something that was so big to so many people. It is what it is.
Doesn't mean they should have received literally death threats.
@@jeffbachman2949Agreed, but crazy people on the internet will send death threats for literally anything, soooo I’m not going to lose any sleep over this
Pretty much. Of course, getting death threats is over the top. But they deserve criticism because they just got completely lazy by the end, there is no other explanation - kids on Reddit were able to come up with more plausible plot lines to finish the story than D&D. And they showed in the earlier seasons that they were capable of coming up with good stuff outside of the books, like the conversation between Cersei and Robert about their marriage or the throne room convo between Littlefinger and Varys. With season 8, they did destroy something very precious to many people, as you say, something people love up to this day, so the emotional reaction of fans is understandable and this grudge will likely never go away. The positive legacy of season 8 lies in great cinematography, sets, costumes, make-up and hair department, and actresses and actors who really did their absolute best and it shows (looking especially at Emilia Clarke here).
@@GabrielaK1111 move on get the fuck over it already
I enjoyed it. Nothing was destroyed for me.
It wasn't controversial. Controversial is good. It was shit and rushed. You gave up on it. That's on you. Jokes.
I would have loved to know if they've watched HOTD yet.
They said a few months back no. They said HBO asked them if they wanted to be involved with HOTD and they turned it down. They weren't taking a shot at it they just said they would eventually get around to watching it, but they hadn't watched it yet.
They’re Done with Westeros
@domingorubies656 can ya really blame them. Even from the beginning of the show the Fandom treated then like shit. George promised them for years he would finish the books and he didn't.
When I was first introduced to pizza, way back when I was a kid, there was pineapple on it. Whenever I eat pizza without pineapple I felt something is missing. I need pineapple on my pizza. Can't imagine why people wouldn't.
Love 3 BODY PROBLEM. They better get two more seasons. Netflix is notorious for cancelling shows prematurely.
Not ones that explode & have that high of views.
@@Nenernener123 Netflix doesn't release specific information on viewership for every series, would love to see those Nielsen ratings, so there's more to renewal than just high views.
The interviewer tried sucking up to them by telling them he liked the ending but you could tell by DB Weiss's face and the way he said "it was totally worth losing all of your fans to say that" that he viewed it as a backhanded compliment
Weiss’s stance on the online fandom is fair. Everyone is justified in bashing them online for the nuclear dumpster fire they started with Thrones. BUT the same toxic fandom that claims to LOVE A Song of Ice & Fire regularly stalk & harass George. As if this is going to help him deliver Winds in any way, quite the opposite.
It was not about what people or fans of GOT thought about the ending of the show. It was about tying the knots from the seasons before.
I wonder if they wish they could go back and continue working on GoT if they knew rushing it would sabotage their Star Wars opportunity. I imagine 13 seasons would mean they’d still be working on it today, as well as all the actors, and I don’t know how they would feel about that.
Do we really want four extra seasons with next to no dialogue or value in the little given story from them though?
Giant eye in the sky? That's project blue beam! /s
These guys are hacks. Bailed on the fans, bailed on George, bailed on HBO, bailed on Star Wars, bailed on Disney, give it time and they’ll bail on Netflix and this new show.
Star Wars said no to them
Fantastic interview, you asked wonderful questions!
Won’t forgive them for how they basically abandoned game of thrones towards the end and just took a huge shit on every fan that loved that series. They only write as good as the source material, once they have nothing left to convert into a screenplay they shit the bed. Good luck to 3 body problem
That GOT ending was a baker’s dozen of ass. I’m enjoying 3 body problem though and can’t wait for more.
Enjoy it... for now.
I will honestly never forgive this two with how badly they handled GOT. They would've had all my good will if they passed the show on to other creators to give the story the last few seasons it badly needed instead of the mad dash to the end that the final season felt like. Just ruined a good thing for no reasonable reason!
Truth!!! They could have left on good terms and brought in another team to oversee the next few seasons AND resume consulting with GRRM again to ensure they are telling the correct vision he has for those last two books. If GRTM was going to kill off Dani / it should have stretched out over a few seasons to see that decline in moral character. We should have also had more time with Jon Snow coming to terms with who is mother was and his being part Targaryen. That was also thrown to the wasteside. I actually liked all 7 seasons - And - the production value and first several episodes of season 8 - they just needed to execute it better changed up a few things to make it more satisfying.
I still wish they hadnt cut so much from each book, the show would have gone on for like 13 season and likely had a better less rushed ending. I can only hope that George will finish the books and it will have a better ending that way. There was a perfectly good story to follow they should have stuck with it.
They didn't need to, they were offered 10 seasons of 10 episodes but they chose to rush it instead....
They had the greatest show in modern day history and they fumbled it.
George also fsiled to give them a complete source book to adapt fir the finale
Game of Thrones ending Loved/Hated 10/90 and Anyone that “liked” or say “Game of Thrones ending was fine” did not give their undivided attention to show.
Any True Fan knows that after S5 there was a Decline in the Overall Quality and that’s mainly because they ran out of Book Content, but GRRM didn’t stop trying to help.
GRRM has said that they stopped including him into the writing all together for some reason around that time and we saw what that led to and it’s why GRRM said he will be heavily involved with anything in the same Universe moving forward.
I do not know why HBO couldn’t replace them since they wanted to quit so badly and it bothers me still.
It’s Public Knowledge that they wanted to be done with the show which is why GRRM and HBO really tried to get them do 13 Seasons which was lowered to 10 Seasons and they said no more than 8.
They are selfish for ruining the best show ever and easily could have handed off the show to other writers, but they wanted to be the sole writers for the show and decided to ruin it instead of letting someone else finish it.
I would like for someone to genuinely explain to me why did GRRM and Dave and Dan make such a big deal about how they had to make a guess who Jon Snow’s mother was when they basically relegated him in season eight to dialogue of “I don’t want it” and did not explore the amazing discover of him being part Targaryen!!
Poor Dani after years of growth turns into a mad woman and one episode, and then is killed by a great potential love story that should’ve been explored and come to completion in a positive way in season eight. Then these two idiots decide to take brand character who missed an entire season, and did absolutely nothing with his three eyed Raven power to put him on the throne as king?
And they are wondering why so many fans hate their guts? And I’m quite surprised that Josh was satisfied with that ending.
The only person that received a good ending was Sophie Turner’s character by becoming Queen of the North. I can relate to her situation, thinking you’re marrying Prince Charming just to find out you married a crazy lunatic, and then she had to suffer another crazy lunatic 2nd marriage, so for her to come out on top, and for her to have that growth was satisfying.
How do they justify this ? How does anyone who found GOT Season 8 justify this ? Cersei should have faked the pregnancy and Dani should have been pregnant. The Night King should have been killed by Jon.
Arya should not have gone Dora the Explorer unless The Hound was going with her. More people should have died and how does Braun get a better ending then Jamie Lannister who was clearly making strides in character of being a Knight and getting away from his crazy ass twin sister - who should have definitely been killed - but not the way she did.
What was the point of all those great seasons then ?
GRRM also gets my ire because no author should take this long to complete a series - he did share with them how he wanted the book series to end so if what D&D displayed in Season 8 remotely resembles what GRRM has intended for Dani and Jon Snow then he can go F*€¥ off also.
@@laurat9052 GRRM had no hand in the show after Season 5 because D&D stopped cutting him in for some reason.
Funny you guys said that. They used his story outlines for the ending. Worth mentioning that to this date, GRRM is yet to wrap up his own story. He said that he struggles with it. I think D&D biggest lesson from all of this is to only adapt finished novels. They seem very excited about bringing 3-body’s novel’s ending to the big screen.
@@abbysuliman You are either misinformed or straight spreading misinformation.
GRRM has ZERO input after Season 5 which was the last of the Book Source Material. He has literally said this IN MULTIPLE INTERVIEWS that D&D cut him out, wouldn’t return calls, and wouldn’t accept any help.
@@Rageousss I am neither. My sources include individuals involved in staff writing and production. I suppose you “the viewer” would know more ? Additionally, George R.R. Martin has openly admitted to struggling with ending his novel , “winds of winter” which explains why it's still not finished. Even 5 years after wrapping up the series. Avoiding another massive backlash perhaps ?
They're cowards for never facing criticism. The ending and the last few seasons were awful. The north remembers!
Enjoyed 3 Body Problem alot, I hope more people give it a proper chance and watch it! Can't wait for another Season.
if u liked 2 body problem u gonna love 3 body problem
They pulled away from a lot of the aspects that made the show great in the earlier seasons in GoT and didn’t take the time to develop the new story beats they were going for. Shame really.
Wow ! So much hate for these guys. Get over yourselves. Despite the controversial ending, they stayed true to the series' trademark unpredictability. With George R.R. Martin's slow progress, they had to forge ahead without source material for several seasons, a daunting task they managed admirably. Plus, the choice of Bran as king came from Martin's own outlines. It's worth recognizing that without D&D, we might never have had the iconic Game of Thrones series in the first place. Be grateful folks and learn to be forgiving. These guys extended making the last season for a longer period and battling with HBO over crazy budgets (15 millions per episode !) to deliver a suitable ending. It wasn’t rushed or anything.
Hated the ending of GoT, loved Three Body Problem. Glad these guys are the one adapting it.
Josh I just know this is going to be another incredible interview. Can't wait, here I go!
(first!)
Lost's ending is my favorite series finale of all time and I also really enjoyed GoT's as well. In the middle of 3 Body Problem right now and it's really good.
GOT ending was so bad I haven’t watched more than 30 seconds of the show since it ended.
Pure trash.
Josh such a great interview. David & Dan have done it again wih 3BP. The show is great.
If they expected a more positive response to GoT ending, maybe they should have had written a better show ending. Because I was also hoping for a better show!
They’ve addressed the horrible season after 5 years of hiding. We can move on
George Martin wanted 13 seasons! D&D took away all the fantasy elements of the show from the books and then rushed at least 2 last seasons. They wanted to take advantage of game of thrones and cash in on their success. But In the end they had the opposite results. It's called KARMA 😊
Karma in the sense that they got a $250M deal with Netflix? I agree. Well deserved!
So many loose ends, it really sucked.
I've watched quite a few D&D interviews and also what GRRM spoke about in the final seasons and it's quite clear they wanted to wrap up the show and move on with their careers, and putting that ahead of the story and characters was ultimately a detriment to the show. GRRM said publicly the show should have gone to 10 seasons to be told correctly. But having said that I also put some of the blame on George himself because not having the last two books written was a huge problem for the show's writers trying to figure out how to deal with so many smaller story lines. Just like with Lost and many other shows that past their prime and finished not on the best note, the showrunners usually get remembered for their bad final season and not the great ones.
I agree. I don't fault them for failing to wrap up a show which the original author can't even do. I do dislike they shrugged it off and didn't go the full 10 or so seasons that the story needed and to at least try to wrap it up in a fitting way.
@@illuvattar Ofc martin could've ended his books but it's not like they were listening to him anyway. At some point they left martin behind to create in their own way. Im not even starting about season 7-8 but even before, they had plenty of material from the book to make season 5-6 yet they decided to scrap more than half of the material to end it faster. If they got bored of making the show they could've just leave the project and let more competent people work at got.
You're absolutely right but I believe staying closer to George and consulting him more, even without finished books, would prevent them from failing this much. Maybe there would still be some plot holes here and there, seems like George himself is struggling to come up with an end that ties everything together, but I believe so much could have been prevented if they had simply cared enough. If not by talking to George, than by taking more time to finish this or leaving it to someone else and most importantly, by not trying to "subvert expectations" at all costs but going after plotlines that makes sense in the context of the story. They would have likely not come up with the best final season ever, but could have made it at least somewhat satisfying to the audience and give us closure.
I fault them for being selfish cunts as I have no idea why HBO couldn’t replace them with other writers since they wanted to leave.
My guess is it must have something to do with their contract, but I willing to bet they could have handed it off, but instead they rushed it and ruined it for the sake of being the “Only Writers of GOT” instead of doing what was best for the show.
their legacy is totally fucking GOT and a star wars project that never happened, lame
They destroyed the legacy of Game of Thrones! The rest is pure bs talking.
Yup.
I was not a fan of the final season but you’re just parroting what 90% of that fandom has said for the last five years. That show was damn good and almost no one could’ve adapted a series that was previously deemed unfilmable. Be grateful for the great years of television they gave you and come up with your own unique thoughts on that situation. And read the books. The whole GoT franchise has much more to celebrate than it does to trash.
They did destroy the legacy, but there wouldn’t have been any question of legacy without them. They signed up to adapt a story, which I think they did incredibly well. It’s after season 4 when they had to write the story they signed up to adapt that it went downhill. The first seasons of Game of thrones are still top tier in tv history.
@@Victor-ks3sp that’s a thoughtful analysis. I don’t think they ruined its legacy but it’s nice to see someone with a nuanced perspective on the topic.
@@Victor-ks3sp Yeah , Martin has his share of the blame for even to this day Failing to deliver the Finale source
I’m actually a big fan of D&D. They did a fantastic job with GoT despite the situation (books not finished and never will) and they seem like legit good guys according to pretty much everyone who’s worked with them.
I’ve binge watched 3BP and I’m already rewatching it. They did it again and I’m very happy about it, because they don’t deserve 90% of the shit that is being told about them on the internet.
GOT is still up there. The best show of all time.
Currently on ep 3 of 3BP, for now really intrigued
It was till seasons 6 heck till 7 but i know the feeling you have everybody does,got had things and storyline which scary different and amazing but somehow dumb and dumber killed the hype of the show and it's legacy too people are always talking about breaking bad,got was better but the ending matters got as a topic isn't talked as much no one is that interested, these two killed the lore,they literally chose greed but karma hit them they literally got blacklisted after what did they did to got in the end
@@hippityhoppity3964 Maybe you should keep this copy-pasta for another post. Or at least use your head a little to adjust it. It's a bit silly to talk about them being blacklisted under an interview promoting their show which is Netflix's most expensive show ever.
GOT is the worst show of all time because of the ending lmao
Why would they even write an ending assuming half their audience would hate it in the first place? What kind of idiotic way of thinking is that.. People enjoy story lines that pay off in the end for a reason. Oh and no one believes you liked the ending Josh ;)
It's been 5 years and I am still bitter & still despise the ending of GoT. Prior I would watch repeats of my favourite episodes, now I can't do it. The ending destroyed the entire show for me so screw these guys😠😡👿
Could it have been shitty writing? Naaaah...
You know what movie makes me sad? X-men Origins: Wolverine
It was rewritten by Skip Woods we never go to see Benioffs original version
iI loved the ending, thank you for doing what you think is right and not what you think most will accept.
Shit adaptation of 3 Body Problem and Song of Ice and Fire. They don't deserve more work
David and Dan are great and I'll watch anything with their names attached! GoT is my favorite show of all time and 3 Body Problem Season 1 was amazing. Hopefully it gets renewed for Season 2 soon!
Whenever I see their name attached to anything. I don’t watch it because I know they’re not capable of writing anything worth a damn.
D&D are extremely chill guys compared to the “fans” who threaten their lives on a daily basis
There's a reason literally every cast and crew members talk about how nice they're because they're just very easy going chill guys
Just because they're "chill" doesn't mean they aren't talentless hacks who cost Warner Bros a billion dollars and ruined the most profitable franchise in tv history.
Fuck. Them.
I got an internet death threat today for saying chocolate ice cream is my favorite flavor.
I love all the Game of Thrones "fans" showing up in the comments section and proving that D&D were right to ignore their childish tantrum.
As Liam Cunningham once said: "this is a grown-up show, written by grown-ups for grown-ups." You guys are just proving you weren’t the targeted demographic.
“Written by grownups”
“Well dany kinda forgot about the iron fleet”
Funny joke.
The fans you belittle cared more about this show more than D&D did that’s for sure.
@@dylansmithers3224I really love how you used a line that wasn’t even on screen or in the script.
But anyway, I’m sure that’s what Cunningham meant. Absolutely flawless storytelling while trying to adapt books that the author can’t write. And not, you know, accepting that your favourite show didn’t end the way you wanted without starting to call the writers "Dumb & Dumber". I guess the hat fits.
Lmao dude. Someone never took a screenwriting class.
definite thumbs down
I will never watch anything these two work on
I loved the GoT ending too 🙏 my favorite show from start to finish
😂LMAO
Imagine loving that rushed, hole-ridden dumpster fire
I love GOT’s. Season 1-8! I have never been so addicted to a tv show before.
lol love the ending of game of thrones hahhahaha
Me too! I think a lot of the folks who got upset are the ones who named their children Daenerys.
@@NeilDohertyMusic bruh the ending was absolutley rushed that was the problem. dany going mad wasn't executed correctly
Bottom feeders high fiving each other over their trash taste: the thread
The goats.😊
D&D are cool guys and I enjoyed the hell out of GoT from beginning to end! Let the babies cry, I’m here for many rewatches for GoT (on one with my dad right now and even my mom steps in and LOVES IT lol their fav is Tyrion so far and Arya)! Excited to watch The 3 Body Problem once we’re done this GoT rewatch 😁
Same love all season of GoT.
“Their fav is Tyrion”
Hope they’re ready to see Tyrion turn into a total brainlet courtesy of your cool guys D&D.
@@dylansmithers3224 get a life.
You think they gonna give you a kiss on the cheek or a pat on the back for this bs you just typed?
@@davidchigbu4480 you think crying will give you a different ending ?
I loved all of GoT, unashamedly. The ending is how it should be; rushed, perhaps, but the characters end up exactly where they are meant to be.
Tell me you didn't read the books without telling me you didn't read the books lmfao. What a shit take
You must be a bot. I’ve seen this exact same comment 3 times.
BY THE WAY: If it was RUSHED, it was was NOT PERFECT. Because that’s how language works.
I really loved what D&D with GOT and now with 3BP
Amazing people and writers
You suck almost as bad as they do
Not only did they fuck up and ruin Game of Thrones, but they didn't understand Three-Body Problem and totally messed it up. I hate these guys.