I'm a Woman diagnosed with ADHD at 61 .. (the daydreamer) explains my entire life!! Sister always called me a flake. Didn't finish school. Lost jobs, for always being late or not completing tasks. Lost friends for always being late making them think I didn't care. Self loathing because although I'm extremely intelligent, I just failed at life, procrastinating etc. After saying all of this, if I'm working on my hobbies, I can go 12 hours without thinking of food or what I was probably supposed to be doing. So bitter sweet, now I know and can begin to heal and now I know, what my life could have been.
Women and girls are much less likely to be diagnosed for ADHD because they often present differently. It’s such a shame but it is getting better. And people with few resources are also less likely to be properly diagnosed. And there are treatments for ADHD that help a lot! Wishing you the support you deserve.
are you my younger sister -the one I never got and still miffed a bit about it at 68 (3 bros no sis)? i didn't realize mine until my 60's but it finally clicked the tiles into place. I think my biggest problem figuring it out was because of my perceived intelligence,
I feel you. I'm 67 and finally diagnosed in 2009 already aware this was my problem however I still can't get proper help. The so call professionals only know the base line of ADHD information which I now know so much more but they just don't care. I'm female so ADHD present differently than Male and they only focused on male. Now I'm totally disregarded and not worth the help or it's too expensive to get to correct help. Doomed
52 and waiting for my official diagnosis. In my country the public health psychiatrist can't diagnose you, you have to pay private. Because there is an avalanche of (mostly) women like us. But the grief of all the opportunities. Also I flew to mybold coty, went sightseeing and missed my friends wedding because I misremembered the time.
Look into EMDR. Trauma needs to be rewired. We store trauma and survival responses to keep us safe but when they cause overwhelm, unnecessary paranoia there are ways to treat and heal it. I would recommend the book he mentioned, “the body keeps the score” by Dr Van der Kolk. He’s truly helped rewrite our ability to cure trauma response, not make them disappear completely but soften that hyper-vigilance and anxiety to manageable levels. You are not alone in this.
That statement is profoundly relatable. The feeling of something being so deeply ingrained in our body that it can't simply be talked out resonates with many who struggle with mental health issues. It’s a reminder that healing often requires addressing both the physical and emotional aspects of our experiences. Acknowledging this complexity is crucial in finding effective ways to manage and overcome these challenges. Your connection to this sentiment highlights the importance of holistic approaches to mental health.
I discovered Cranial Sacral Therapy to be incredibly helpful to my lifetime of tight muscles. I am saddened to see it has a reputation as pseudoscience because it is one of those things that I do not care if it does what it is supposedly supposed to be doing. All I know is how powerfully effective it is for me, far more than massage, so it is worth every penny. I wish I discovered it long ago. If I had, I may have been practicing that, instead of nursing!
Felt the same, for me it was "Ah ADHD is the reason that promising myself to do something 'tomorrow' will never work. Then i shouldnt trust my future self and better get right on it or find a better approach"
This, a thousands times over. Sometimes I call it "working off the right instruction manual for your brain". When you know why your brain does something, it's less traumatic when it happens and helps you plan for it happening and knowing what to do with it in the moment as well. It is a life changer when you get the right diagnosis (instruction manual) and can start understanding your motivations, etc.
Unless you have the time thing where you can't tell time passage like at all. Then medication makes a much larger impact😅 during the medication shortages it was a complete nightmare. Absolutely constant source of embarrassment and if it weren't for my friends and coworkers I do not know what I would have done. And like 5 million alarms which of course I tune out after a while. Super exhausted.
This. Good advice you hear derived from scientific consensus usually *_is_* good once you get over yourself. Regular sleep? Check. Regular exercise? Check. Less booze and red meat? Check Taking breaks and looking after yourself? Check. I learned to say _"No way! Really? Okay, time for science, I'll try",_ and it has made my life so much better ¯\_ (ツ) _/¯
GENTLE HATHA YOGA HAS BEEN AMAZING FOR ME SHUTS UP MY BRAIN BODY BRAIN MORE FLEXIBLE RESILUENT CALMUNG I ALSO LOVE.RESPECT DEEPLY NATURE AND ANIMALS TONS TO RESPECT LEARN GROW EXPAND AND DANCING BALLROOM WEST COAST SWING I HAVE UNCREDIBLE RYTHYM SP? IM IN A FUN SPIRITUAL SOUL PLACE ITS FANTASTIC ADHD OPENS MANY DOORS ACCEPTANCE IS HUGE ABOUT ME AND ABOUT OTHERS
@@geoms6263 Ah, the mythological "real man"... Why is he always described as a sad, constricted jerk? He is always defined negatively by all the stuff he can't do. How about looking at potential and positive images instead?
It could also come from childhood trauma. From what I understand, it's more likely there's something triggering you from your upbringing that might cause you to mildly dissociate. Inner child work helped me greatly on this type of thing.
@@cocomaire I remember being so excited when I first got to watch a movie I could pause and finish whatever tangent my brain went on so I didn’t miss what was going on in the movie. (I don’t know if I have ADHD but I am a little something!)
@@mayaedwards31 he was a breath of fresh air but also just absolutely wise and so skillful at tying things together for us. i miss him greatly and it's so healing just to hear his voice, and speaking on something that i am struggling with every single day means even more. trevor noah is such a gift to our world
Yah, he's got to do what's right for him and I wish him luck in whatever he does, but he was brilliant on the Daily Show. Miss his voice, his point of view, on that show.
I loved Trevor too. Watched almost everyday, but he was NOT Jon Stewart. I learned a lot from Trevor, but during this time Jon's voice is our loudest hope. 😂 I just wish he would work more than 1 day a week. 😂😂
I work in the therapy field and what he says about the comedy field being a good field for ADHD is exactly the reason why people who have ADHD can be excellent trauma therapists, trauma nurses/doctors, paramedics, etc. some of the best in the field are those with ADHD, because of their brain’s way of taking in information & track in the midst of chaos! He’s so right!
Other exciting & appropriate career choices for ADHD folks is LIVE tv/radio/performing or the like. As Trevor essentially said, like comedy, the work occupies all parts of your brain yet demands you stay in the moment being aware of a ton of other inputs at the same time.
It's funny you say this.... I was a medic for nearly 20 years before burn out hit (Which 20 years of EMS is its own trauma). I was a very good medic. I switched to a different career in healthcare and I feel like I've struggled with it the ENTIRE TIME. And it's so frustrating because I was a good medic, so why can't I do this? But I think it's exactly what you said... the chaos forces focus. Whereas the controlled environment of what I do now does not. I hadn't thought of it this way before.
And another piece of the puzzle falls in place... At this point I'm in my 50s and self diagnosed (and as several friends who are diagnosed have said, I'm peer reviewed). It has been something I've been aware of all my adult life that in an emergency, or just when things have gone chaotic, I'm the one who can look around, assess the problem and do something/give instructions while most people are frozen or turning in circles. My partner is a workplace first aider and does that. I'd never realised that that was a function of an adhd brain, but that makes total sense.
I didn't know I could love Trevor more than I already did. But as he talks about PTSD, ADHD and Depression I'm just nodding and feel more connected to him than ever. ❤
Trevor Noah’s discussions on PTSD, ADHD, and depression resonate deeply with many, creating a sense of connection and understanding. His openness about these issues fosters a supportive community where individuals feel seen and validated. Your growing admiration for him reflects the power of his candidness and the importance of public figures sharing their mental health journeys. It helps break down barriers and encourages others to seek help and share their own stories.
I didn't know I had it until I was 73... not only that, I had it, but practically everyone in my family did, too... to say that escaping at a young age is probably the only way I survived. The whole family dynamic was so messed up that it's so hard to think about...PTSD from it is real
Thank you, Trevor Noah, for sharing this and Neal Brennan for posting it. I'm a therapist who specializes in working with adults with ADHD; later-in-life diagnoses of ADHD; women with ADHD; and the 2e population. This estimate is on the conservative side, but in school alone, a child with ADHD receives 20,000 corrections or negative comments by the time he or she is 10 years old. It is no wonder that depression and anxiety are common co-morbidities of ADHD. I focus on the emotional components of living with an invisible brain-based difference. Whether this is said by adults outright to a child with ADHD or their actions and efforts to treat a child's ADHD nonverbally relay the same message, children with ADHD (diagnosed or undiagnosed) tend to hold the negative core belief that they are somehow inherently broken and need to be fixed. Many of the adults who come to see me expect that I'll be like a certified watchmaker there to fix them like a broken clock. Shame is often at the heart of what adults with ADHD have been carrying with them for most of their lives. There is so much misinformation out there - even the nomenclature of the diagnosis is a misnomer. You're absolutely right- we don't have a deficit of attention - we have too much attention and an inability to filter out stimuli that are unimportant to the task at hand that we're trying desperately to focus on. Dr. Dodson described it well when he said that neurotypicals have a priority-based, or importance-based, nervous system and those with ADHD have an interest-based nervous system, except that we don't get to choose what we pay attention to. When it's a subject that highly interests us or there is some kind of variable that involves fear, our amygdala gets activated and we suddenly gain the ability to not only focus but hyperfocus. This is why so many of us with ADHD follow career paths in the performing arts or the ICU/ER - when the stakes get high, we get clear-headed, calm, and focused, and we can perform with ease. Those of us with ADHD (especially the inattentive type) often experience brain fog and activation issues partly due to insufficient dopamine levels, so stimulants help lift the fog so we can gain full access to our thoughts and it helps us get activated to start on tasks that do not inherently generate high levels of interest. Covid long-haulers with brain fog are getting medically treated with the medication we take for the brain fog we've been experiencing and dealing with our entire lives. When neurotypicals take a stimulant like Adderall, they have a vastly different experience from how it affects those of us with ADHD because they don't actually need the medication. It helps us feel like we can do the things that neurotypicals take for granted that they can do that require executive functioning skills - it doesn't put us into hyperfocus mode. There are still so many myths being perpetuated about ADHD that appear in places one might least expect, like in classrooms and doctor's offices; and the general misunderstanding often leads to the mistreatment of children, teens, and adults with ADHD. They are often on the receiving end of neurobigotry, (a term more recently coined by ADHD expert Sari Solden), that further fuels the shame they're carrying and their desire to hide and not get help.
My husband with ADHD was a fabulous kindergarten teacher. He hated school himself but created a research based, hands on learning environment that he managed beautifully. He loves comedy and could be a comedian. All the memoirs I’ve read about comedians support Noah’s idea that many have ADHD.
Your husband’s experience as a kindergarten teacher with ADHD is inspiring. His ability to create an engaging, hands-on learning environment speaks to the strengths that often accompany ADHD, such as creativity and the ability to think outside the box. His passion for comedy and his success in education illustrate how ADHD can be a driving force in fields that require innovation and adaptability. This story reinforces the idea that with the right environment and understanding, individuals with ADHD can thrive and make significant contributions.
I have ADHD and anxiety. I can't handle 20+ kids like int he states, but had a great team tutoring small groups of kids in China. I especial like working with neurodivergent kids. We decorated an awesome hand on learning classroom the fall in 2019... I'd like to get back to teaching.
We have a society in America that prioritizes productivity and the maintenance of the status quo above all else. That’s where a lot of the self shaming comes in. When you’re rich you can afford to really step away and analyze your situation but if you’re poor everything becomes several extra steps just to meet your basic needs. These things go beyond what an individual can do to help themselves. There always needs to be accountability for behavior but have to look at it through a broader context of the way our system creates these conditions.
Mushroom are being explored as potential treatments for various mental health conditions, including obsessive-compulsive disorder, eating disorders, and autism.
lol christ, exact same here. I can't for the life of me understand sometimes how people can hear each other talk and have real conversations in loud bars and clubs, can't they fucking hear the 100 different noises of music and other people talking all around us? And then I end up looking like the unsociable twat because after a while I just give up trying to understand what they're saying 🤦
@@empireoflightz oh my goodness, yes! I hate social gatherings, especially in pubs and other loud places. I cannot hear to have a conversation, and end up sitting there feeling excluded. I've always thought I had a hearing problem but when I've had it checked I've been told my hearing is fine and it must be a processing problem.
Yes! I was diagnosed with major depression at 12. I could never "get over it". Then, I was diagnosed at 44 with neurodivergent: ADHD (inattentive, impulsive) and on the autistic spectrum. It was enlightening. Then I was diagnosed with CPTSD and told my depression diagnosis was incorrect. My world opened up! Thank goodness the clarity came. I love myself now, at 46. I have hated myself for over 30 years. labels and understanding is so helpful. No more dismissive language. There are people with true depression--it is a valid diagnosis for some. But, it can be a dismissive diagnosis that doesn't get to the heart of the issue.
I have those as well! Panic attacks aren’t fun. And the CPTSD is from being autistic (actually from the way I’ve been treated by neurotypicals my whole life). Diagnosed ASD at 35, ADHD at 39, and the CPTSD was actually suspected before those two. But even though I tell people I need to know some things ahead of time, they purposely ignore it and it results in panic attacks. 🙄. If neurotypicals don’t change or at least try, we won’t heal.
Just wanted to let y'know that depression and anxiety as well as trauma fall under the neurodivergent umbrella. It's a pretty broad umbrella that also includes neurodegenerative conditions like dementia, Parkinson's, Huntington's, as well as MS and conditions such as CP, OCD, epilepsy, schizophrenia, Tourette's, personality disorders, eating disorders, substance abuse disorder, learning disabilities like dysgraphia, dyscalculia, dyslexia, intellectual disability, and so many more conditions.
Your journey from misdiagnosis to clarity is a powerful testament to the importance of accurate diagnosis and self-understanding. Being labeled with major depression at a young age, only to later discover ADHD and autism, must have been a profound shift. This new understanding has clearly transformed your self-perception and allowed you to embrace self-love. Your experience highlights the critical need for comprehensive evaluations in mental health, ensuring that individuals receive the most accurate and helpful diagnoses. Your story is a beacon of hope for others navigating similar paths, showing that it’s never too late to find clarity and begin healing.
Me too! Exactly! I think it takes one to know one! It's been so therapeutic for me ( late diagnosed, woman, empathetic, sometimes depressed, etc.) to help others see what a gift is, and help them understand they aren't lazy, dumb, or broken. We are star-shaped blocks trying to fit in a square-shaped hole. Much easier to make our own damn holes!
I'm sorry might I ask what your title is or what you went to school for to be in NP specializing in ADHD. I'm in my pre nursing courses but I recently switched to psychology because I couldn't find anything where I'm working with people with adhd. I would really appreciate it.
Trevor is one of the most attractive men in the entertainment industry. Inside and outside. Him being so candid about therapy makes me respect him even more. I wholeheartedly wish him all the best.
Trevor Noah's authenticity and openness about his therapy journey add a deeper layer to his already admirable persona. His willingness to share his mental health experiences not only enhances his attractiveness but also serves as an inspiration for many. It takes courage to discuss such personal matters publicly, and Trevor's candidness helps to destigmatize therapy and mental health discussions. Wishing him all the best is a sentiment many share, and it’s heartening to see such support for his honesty and vulnerability.
Ketamine, dmt and psilocybin containing mushroom are amazing. I could remember several years ago, I got diagnosed with OCD, also suffered severe depression and mental disorder. Not until my wife recommended me to psilocybin mushrooms treatment. Psilocybin treatment saved my life honestly. 6 years totally clean. Much respect to mother nature the great magic shrooms.
Hey mates! Can you help with the source? I suffer severe anxiety, panic and depression and I usually take prescription medicine, but they don't always help. Where can I find those psilocybin mushrooms? I'm really interested in treating my mental health without Rxs. I live in Australia don't know much about these. I'm so glad they helped you. I can't wait to get them too. Really need a reliable source 🙏
I'm so very happy for you mate, Psilocybin is absolutely amazing, the way it shows you things, the way it teaches you things. I can not believe our world and our people shows less interest about it's helpfulness to humanity. It's love. The mushrooms heals people by showing the truth, it would be so beneficial for so many people, especially politicians and the rich who have lost their way and every other persons out there.
Yes he's Predroavaro a professional mycologist. My daughter did straight shrooms in few days. Made her whole! after words, no more addictions, pains, ptsd and depression. It helped us.
I love Trevor Noah. He is so incredibly intelligent, compassionate, and funny, and such a good soul. As a fellow person who also has severe ADHD, I so appreciate famous people coming out and explaining to people what ADHD does to people. People who don't have ADHD have a really hard time understanding and believing how difficult it is to have it.
I am 31 and it’s been a month since I’ve been diagnosed with ADHD. He’s right about how just knowing changes almost everything. I’ve been living on survival mode, despite having a good paying job; there’s always something simple, a 30 minutes task I will procrastinate doing for weeks; I’ve put myself in many toxic relationships that I hyper focused on the other, and therefore lost touch with myself or was emotionally abused; I never completed any studies besides high school. I always thought I lacked some meaning in life, or that it was on me to be more determined and motivated… now I now it’s only a matter of time until I relearn how to play the game, because I’m that special character with special moves and tricks. Until then, I’m learning to be gentle with myself.
Your recent ADHD diagnosis at 31 must be both enlightening and challenging. Recognizing that your struggles with procrastination, toxic relationships, and unfinished studies stem from ADHD rather than a lack of determination is a significant shift. This newfound understanding allows you to approach life with more compassion for yourself. Your metaphor of being a "special character with special moves and tricks" is powerful-it highlights the unique strengths that come with ADHD. Embracing this journey and being gentle with yourself will undoubtedly lead to a more fulfilling life.
All we want is peace of mind and to be content isn't it? Well, let me categorically state this: it is to be found in and through Christ Jesus. You may contact me. (i have been a born again Christian for 53 years now) email: christianmatters777@gmail.com ✝
Your statement about trauma acting as muscle memory is profound. It captures how our bodies continue to react to past threats, even long after the danger has passed. This ongoing physical response to trauma can significantly impact daily life and mental health. Recognizing this helps us understand why trauma treatment often needs to address both the mind and body. Your insight underscores the importance of comprehensive approaches to healing that consider the lasting impact of trauma on the body.
Thank you for explaining the story of my life. Got diagnosed with ADHD yesterday, age 51. Until two months ago I had no idea why I have been such a failure. Now I know that I am not crazy, I can try to build my life from scratch. Luckily I have good personal relationships to help me.
You are already not a failure! If you have good personal relationships in your life then that says hugely positive things about you. Now with new knowledge about yourself you can work to improve the other stuff 😊
53, same thing. I found a support group and slowly I'm being empowered because I am getting vocabulary to talk about what was before senses and emotions. I've "come out" to some friends and also addressed some unhelpful reactions some had, in a way that has had a good outcome. I'm amazed at how quickly this is helping me simply step away from a lifetime of shame. Please find new ways to talk about yourself. e.g. "such a failure" - here you are at 51, having survived, you've had to drive a car with the handbrake on your whole life and you're still here! Your situation was set up for failure, you are not a failure. You are amazing! Now you can find out how to use your beautiful brain and your unique and amazing way of thinking! Wishing you healing and the beauty as you explore a new way of seeing yourself and the world, and a new type of life. I wish the same for everyone who has suffered for so long. Best wishes
Receiving an ADHD diagnosis at 51 must be a revelation. It’s a crucial step towards understanding your life experiences and dispelling the belief that you've been a failure. This new perspective allows you to rebuild your life with clarity and self-compassion. Having strong personal relationships to support you is invaluable. Your journey underscores the importance of awareness and diagnosis in transforming self-perception and opening up new possibilities for personal growth and fulfillment.
I was an addict half my life. I tried every antidepressant/ anti anxiety med there was. I finally got diagnosed with ADHD & autism at 35 and since being on adderal I feel in control of my life for the first time ever. I’m not constantly craving something or waiting for the next exciting thing to happen. I hadn’t realized most peoples brains don’t go so fast you have a dozen thoughts at a time. I can actually sit and enjoy playing with my kids or watching the birds for the first time. I quit smoking a decade ago but still craved a smoke every freaking day until I got on adhd meds. It is so great not to have to dopamine seek all the time anymore. I don’t feel like an alien anymore. I understand myself now.
Anti-depressants never worked for me. I feel like they were prescribed for the neurotypicals around me to feel more comfortable . They just numbed me. I hated it.
Love that celebrities like Trevor are talking about neurodivergence. I was late-diagnosed with autism and adhd as an adult, and the diagnosis has brought so much clarity to my life.
Diagnosed with ADHD at 39, this is such a perfect example of what I went through & how I think/process. Getting a diagnosis 100% helps just knowing "you're not crazy." Hearing others talk about it & their experiences is very helpful in not feeling crazy, but feeling seen & better understanding
At a more foundational level, I’ve come to really believe that naming a thing, being able to point to an issue and say “that’s this understood thing” is very powerful in making progress getting to a place you’re happier with.
Being diagnosed with ADHD at 39 must have been a profound moment of validation. Understanding that your experiences and thought processes are shared by others can be incredibly comforting. Hearing others talk about their ADHD helps in feeling seen and understood, reducing the sense of isolation. Diagnosis provides a framework for self-acceptance and better strategies to manage daily life. Your story emphasizes the importance of community and shared experiences in mental health journeys.
What he did with ketamine therapy, I did with hypnotherapy. My therapist literally told me, you can do the talk therapy yourself, you know how it works, you can do it all, but there’s this pain still left in your body that words can’t reach. The hypnotherapy got rid of that and I’m so, so grateful 🙏
@@MF-xp9tq I just googled one and found an online one who didn’t have a waiting list. I’m in the Netherlands tho but I know someone in Tennessee who’s really good, if you’re looking for someone. I think she does online sessions too and for me that was just as helpful as in person!
@@MF-xp9tq I typed a whole answer but now see it never posted. I found one who does it online! I’m in the Netherlands tho, but I know a good one in Tennessee who does online as far as I know, if you’re interested!
9:09 he does an excellent job describing what’s going on in an ADHDr’s mind when they’re “tuning out” / not paying attention to what you’re saying. Beautifully well explained.
I'm really really grateful for people who talk about their ADHD or Autism experience. I'm very late to learning this about myself, so listening to others is so enlightening/comforting.
Sophomore year of college, I had a panic attack trying to write a 5 page paper and I expressed thoughts of s*****e. I was sent to a therapist two days later and he suggested I might have ADHD. Without even receiving meds, I left that session and wrote that paper in one sitting. The DIAGNOSIS was the most important thing to happen to my life because the unknown monster I was fighting had a face. Its weaknesses were known to me. There were strategies I could learn. But most importantly I learned I was not alone. The following month I wrote a 10 page paper in one day. The next year I was regularly writing 20 and 30 page papers. I graduated top of my class. Thank you Trevor for sharing your story.
Woman with ADHD who wasn't diagnosed until mid 30s. (Misdiagnosed with anxiety for years) once you know, you start to see it in others. I think Trevor's spot on here. Thank you so much for sharing
Yesss!! I was recently diagnosed and I can definitely see it in other people. It's wild. It's like my whole life has changed for the better since being diagnosed.
I was only recently diagnosed with ADHD at the age of 62. It freaked me out as my brain went back to so many times in my life adults and other people would ask me what was wrong with me. I could see the destructive impulsive things that I did. And also, the hyper-focus abilities that I have when people tell me to focus on one thing at a time when I'm focusing on 3 and 4. I wish I had known decades ago. And I also have been diagnosed with anxiety and depressive disorder and PTSD following a severe car accident in September 2018. SUCKS. Because nobody can see it like a broken leg or arm. Just one day at a time working through things.
I diagnosed myself with it, because I feel my attention is not right, and then they properly diagnosed me with it when I was my 30s, and I'm in my 40s.
I've struggled with C-PTSD for decades, and was diagnosed autistic in my 40s. It's amazing how often & long we struggle before getting the necessary tools.
It’s honestly so good to hear people coming to terms with their adhd and their friends doing the same. I wish my friends old click their fingers to bring me back
My husband was home schooled for most of elementary school. He has never been diagnosed for ADHD but because of the space homeschooling gives kids to learn however he found out how he worked best, learned best, functioned best and never really needed treatments. He's able to explain to people, he knows how to buckle down and get er done when life requires that. It's so cool to see
That's pretty much what it is to have executive function disordered. When there are consquences staring us right in the face (when life requires it, as you said) we can get it done. When there are not life threatening consequences we sit here watching videos about other shit instead of doing any of the things I am supposed to be doing right now.
I had Ketamine infusion therapy for neuropathy. Now I can walk without my feet killing me. It was $300per session. I had 6 sessions 3 years ago. Gave me a new lease on life.
You know how much Ketamine you can buy for $300!? That’d be enough for multiple K-holes. My experience was as a sedative after all night raves. We called it breakfast, as the street name was Special K.
I did a half dozen sessions at a clinic in San Antonio called Klarisana. Not a permanent fix, but one session every two months is better than a daily medication
@@hardcoreherbivore4730 Doing K on it's own isn't going to work. There is a method they use in ketamine therapy. You need professional assistance. It changed my life.
@@hardcoreherbivore4730 the cost was for the doctor administering the infusions. But I have wondered about possible benefits from other forms of Ketamine.
You nailed it Trevor!! I have shame. A ton of it. I did a lot of therapy. I even went back to school for counseling psychology and got accredited for EFT Meridian Tapping to try and figure out why I had so much trauma and shame. No one ever brought it up. I eventually figured it out myself when my best friend's daughter was having issues with her ADHD in high school. Turns out I am ADHD-I and high masking autistic female. But no one ever suspected or suggested. I was 46 and 48 when figuring it out. This is the cause of all of my depression, anxiety and self-loathing. Finally everything makes sense. Like he says, just knowing made such a huge difference in my life. PS/ I haven't tried ketamine, but I did microdose and it also changed my life. Just a few times in the fall and no more Seasonal Affective Disorder in the PNW.
First time listening to your show, however I am beyond excited that I got a chance to hear it. OMG!!!!! As recently as 2yrs ago I asked to be evaluated. Finding out that the struggles I've lived with all my life were due to PTSD & ADHD was more than enlightening. FINALLY everything started making sense. Primary, secondary, college education, relationships... It all makes sense. I even found out that I am extremely bright... above average, but throughout my academic career I always thought I was stupid. I got right answers but never the way they wanted me to get them. The evaluation was the first tool in helping me to know me. THANK YOU for airing and thank you Trevor for being so transparent.
Thank you Trevor!! It's so so so great to see celebrities really understand ADHD as an executive function developmental disorders. It's a disorder of self regulation, and often comorbid with other disorders (depression, etc)
I am grateful for Trevor genuinely, he has a special talent for finding words to explain what I go through as an autistic ADHD, I have that autism flavor where there's no connexion between my brain and my mouth 😂 so I cannot express myself to people. But hearing it from someone who CAN say things actually helps. Thank you 🙏
Psychedelics definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression, I would like to try them again but it's just so hard to source out here
I’ve been researching on psychedelics and it’s benefits to individuals dealing with Anxiety, Depression, ADHD and from my findings, they really work and I’ve been eager to get some for a while but its been difficult to get my hands on them.
The Trips I've been having really helped me a lot. I’m now able to meditate and I finally feel in control of my emotions and my future and things that used to be mundane to me now seem incredible and full of nuance on top of that I'm way less driven by my ego and I have alot more empathy as well
@@WalterFair130 I feel the same way too. I put too much on my plate and it definitely affects my stress and anxiety levels. I am also glad to be a part of this community.
ADHD is both several kicks to the knee and a superpower. I've excelled in every retail job I had because I could multitask really well (even though it caused me a lot of stress lol), but at the same time I'll forget common words and I'll pause in the middle of my sentences to wait for my brain to figure out what it wants to say. I'm also really, *really* bad at time management. I am hyper aware of time when it comes to, say, having an appointment for something or waiting to hear back from someone, but I can go a few weeks with not talking to someone and have it not affect me because to me it just feels like a day or two. ADHD is sometimes funny but it's also extremely annoying. 🥴
When I was diagnosed as a "Textbook example of high functioning ADHD" by one of Western Canada's top specialist in the field at age 57, my life finally started to make sense. Procrastination is my worst enemy.
Trevor is a very intelligent and effective communicator. I now understand more about ADHD that I’ve picked up from dozens of other sources. His spin on the condition goes a long way to describing the sort of comedy that has become popular in the last few decades, and how “a momentary distraction” can turn into a lifelong research with the right triggers. It underscores just how deeply and carefully some people process information, and why we need to appreciate this special ability.
Re: autism I can relate, plus I have hemi-sync, & dyslexia. I'm 75; I was put in a "retarded class". As an adult, I tried counseling -- claimed I was depressed. No I'm not, not lonely, not sad. I was on the Dean's list in college. Trevor explained what goes on in the brain very well -- thank you Trevor. Maybe you could be a spokesman, even for elders, like me.
Omg Trevor and Neal!!! Thank you for talking about this. I'm currently in trauma therapy and the book The Body Keeps the Score was a HUGE GAME/LIFE changer for me... If you ever decide to do another sit down session like this... invite me. I have done EMDR therapy as well and ashwaghanda etc. Leveraging different therapeutic modalities one for my mind and another for my body was incredibly healing and really put me in a much better place mentally/emotionally. I'm so excited for conversations like this. Great job ya'll.
True!!! The way Trevor explains what happens when he gets distracted in conversation, is spot on. My family's term for me when this happens in conversation is "She's off with the fairies again". LOL! Then they have to shout my name to get me back to focus on what they are saying. I then have to get them to go back a few steps in conversation where I got side tracked ... Every little thing in a conversation makes me go off track to something else. I have numerous unfinished projects all around. I will move from one unfinished project in the day to another one that I pass by to pick something up and then work on that one and not go back to the original one I started on in the day. Everybody hates watching movies with me because I will pause every step of the way to talk about something in the movie and give my theory or opinion about what will happen next (and I'm most of the time correct). Now I'm not allowed to have the remote control lol.
Well said! I like to think of us (ADHDers) as philosophers. One little random comment about anything and our, at least mine, train of thought has taken us to thinking of the universe and what it all means 😂
Thanks for this discussion. I read here with compassion of everyone's struggles with ADHD. As the older sibling of a brother 9 years younger than me diagnosed with it fairly recently along with his being bipolar and with CPTSD, I have also experienced the pain of being attacked verbally by my brother at family events and my sister's funeral recently. It has been painful over the years as a child growing up with him and as an adult on the end of sudden outbursts though I usually avoid contact to protect myself and I only went to the funeral as he had contacted me with a more moderate conversation. May we all benefit from a greater understanding of all of these struggles. It has been truly awful.
Trevor has such a good, concise way of explaining ADHD. I highly recommend the channel "How to ADHD". I've reorganized my living space, and it's helped so much.
Interviewer should let Trevor speak uninterrupted. Anyone who aligns with this should watch Brene Brown’s Netflix special on shame and vulnerability. (As well as her Ted Talks, of course.) Love that Trevor is so in touch with his brain and emotions and overall patterns, and then shares.
Somatic therapy also changes stuff on a deep, cellular level - breaking the connection. Ketamine is also good for some. But Somatic Therapy can also change your life.
Thank you Trevor. There is that one piece in a conversation that keep us stuck right there trying to figure it out. Our brains CAN'T move on until that one piece is solved. Like that bird in the window. I will check out of a conversation and fall back in at the right time. People don't understand ADHD. They think your lazy with a bunch of problems. People with ADHD is not always bouncing around because their ADHD hyperactivity. Then there's ADHD where as your not hyper. I thought my depression was always holding me down until I started studying ADHD. ADHD mimic depression. I had to learn my depression signs against my ADHD and that's when I realized my ADHD was responsible for Most of my actions. I'm still learning my mental health and the effects it's got on me. Have a good evening everyone.
TREVOR!!! Trea-vr...which in my head I hear spoken in your delightful grandmother's voice. Yes-yes-yes, and thank you times- a-zillion--when you said comedy "forces focus to the state of flow". I have never heard what I sooooo seek in the day to day minutes to hours to days of my life, described like that. It is that. Focus to the state of flow. I have had it, I love it, I thrive and excel in it; I can feel and experience it, know when I am in it, but couldn't explain it. I seek it but until I heard you say those words, that description, I have not been able to explain what I'm after, what I struggle for, and most important, what works. To myself or others. Thank you Trevor. That phrase is a gift I will use. It is a tool, an explanation, a direction, an answer. I have always loved you but now I love you even more. Thank god/God, one and or every single one of them. And God and Gods, all of them, bless your grandmother (is it Coco, or Gogo or something else?) She is a queen, now with That Queen. Thank you for sharing her as well.
I love Trevor soooooooo much. What he brings to the table is always so pure and what just NEEDS TO BE SAID. Miss his voice on the daily show. Or at least his perspective on the national moment. TRRRRREEEEEEVVVVOOOORRRRRR. !!!!!!
Diagnosed with ADHD at 40. Developed sense of humour and was always the class clown as a way to fit in and not appear super weird to everyone. Things doesn't make sense for ADHD folks in today's world.
I love Trevor, and I think there's value in this conversation even if I (note: therapist) disagree with some parts of what he says and how he presents it. But to that extent, I really do have to say that he misunderstands or misrepresents how diagnosis works, focuses of treatment, differentiating factors for the diagnoses he mentions, etc. An example: he mentions (in other words) how he thinks many people are referring to depressive symptoms as depression when it can often be attributable to something else, which is absolutely true. However even MORE common is how depression can present with symptoms that look like other things (including ADHD, his focus). Which is why the DSM criteria always include reference to not being attributable to more specific diagnoses. And why his gripe is with over-generalizing conversations like these (though some parts are spot on, for sure) rather than clinical approaches, though I don't know the individual case of Carmichael + am not denying that lazy and or less efficient professionals exist like in any profession
Trevor is describing how our brains are wired and how the amygdala will automatically respond. I love the way he describes things 🙌🏾 I have so people people in the 40s plus coming to get assessed for possible ADHD.
Trever Noah has always been a brilliant comedian. I have tenfold respect for him for sharing this part of himself and helping advocate. The part about many comedians probably being on the spectrum was not only funny, but makes a lot of sense.
It’s amazing how Trevor Noah’s story about ADHD resonates with me. I used to think I was just dealing with a bunch of crazy coincidences in life, but as I got older, I realized it was really my ADHD at play. Like Trevor said, there’s so much that I forget or think people won’t believe, but it’s all true! In my early 20s, I was so ashamed that I couldn’t focus on one thing, but I’ve learned that my ADHD is actually a part of why I have so many passions. It’s not about focusing on one thing, but rather directing my energy to where my attention naturally flows. “Force is focus “
For years, I have been susceptible to burnout and depression ... yet I had always feared going to the doctor or psychiatrist about it, because I expected the response would be "here's a happy pill that will fix you" when what I was *certain* I needed was some sort of lifestyle change. At the time, I thought I needed to find the "right" career for myself ... but I have since discovered that I'm autistic and have ADHD, and that there's a good chance that *if* I switched careers, I'd *still* burn out regularly. But I cannot help but feel "vindicated" somewhat by this discovery -- I have the impression that if I had sought help, I would have gone down an unhelpful path of diagnosis after diagnosis until someone would *finally* ask "Have you considered autism or ADHD?", like so many people before me -- but now I have a good sense of "structure" for what help I need -- but, alas, I don't have a timeline for when I can get evaluated, so I can pinpoint better what I need (other than that I'm now on a waitlist for an evaluation).
I love how Trevor explained this! I don’t feel alone or crazy for thinking this way. Living like this makes you think something is wrong with you but there isn’t.
Seeing two people whose minds I have so much respect for talk about these issues makes me feel so much better about my battle with ADHD. It's been a challenge my whole life, especially in the beginning. I wasn't diagnosed until I was almost 30 and as a kid, I can look back and say it probably began somewhere around age 11 or 12. Back then it was called "DeSean has self-control issues." It's just nice to see that even brilliant minds also struggle with this "disorder."
i could not love trevor anymore than i love him right now. having only recently been diagnosed with ADHD, as well as early childhood trauma (CPTSD), i just feel so seen, and by someone who I respect and admire so much. thank you thank you thankypu
This is such a great conversation. Thank you so much. As someone with significant trauma, and ADHD, Ketamine has been so supportive in my life moving forward. “When you know, you understand.” This is so great.
Trevor mentioned that 80% is just knowing. I was diagnosed at 36, and my doctor asked me how I felt about the label of ADHD. I said I love it, it means there is a reason I feel and act the way I am, and it explains my entire life. It's so true! It doesn't magically change everything, but it does change your mindset and being able to tell people in your life so they understand.
Many people didn't believe me when I said I have ADHD, because I learned how to mask and coop incredibly well. I've kept jobs, never late, well organized, etc. But after going through some traumatic things masking became harder and sometimes impossible. I've since learned how exhausting masking is, and try to take breaks from it.
Thank you for uploading this as a separate segment. Planning on sharing this with my family. As someone who’s had ADHD pretty much forever, diagnosed as a kid, and as I recently started doing standup comedy, it all makes perfect sense.
Interesting video content. My relationship of 5 years ended a month ago. The love of my life decided to leave me, I really love her so much I can’t stop thinking about her, I’ve tried my very best to get her back in my life, but to no avail, I’m frustrated, I don’t see my life with anyone else. I’ve done my best to get rid of the thoughts of her, but I can’t, I don’t know why I’m saying this here, I really miss her and just can’t stop thinking about her.
its difficult to let go of someone you love, i was in a similar situation, my relationship of 12 years ended, but i couldnt just let him go i did all i could to get him back, i had to seek the help of a spiritual counselor who helped me bring him back
My cognitive therapist recommended I read The Body Keeps the Score. I haven’t gotten past chapter one. thank you Trevor my brothers and I all have issue where we tune out. I used to think that it was from my family history of alcohol and drug use. Now As I remember things and situations from growing up; the way you explained, it make a lot of sense. I will share this with my family.
This is me expressing gratitude to you, Neal. For the candor of Three Mics and what it meant to me, for offering up your evolution for me to learn from, for sharing so many insights from so many stars, for being an ambassador of sorts for black men and our experience, and of course, for the laughs. “Crazy Good”, as a title, sold it short.
This man is a national treasure and the world won't realize it until later. It's been a joy Mr. Noah to watch you grow... Never thought you were funny, but an emerging intellectual nonetheless.
As a veteran suffering with chronic depression and anxiety, and as a late diagnosed AuDHDer, I completely understand the struggle because I and my family live it everyday! Life for me is being in survival mode every second of everyday, literally! Now, thanks to my diagnosis in my late fifties, I understand the 'why' life has been a series of constant struggles and failures! Plus I see now that one of my defense mechanisms was being the 'clown' has been my way of engaging with people. The old, "I'd rather that you'd laugh with me than have you laugh at me!" With my current knowledge and tools, I hope to have a better life within my capabilities going forward! 🖖 Because my spirit animal - Godzilla - demands it! 😆
Hi Neal and Trevor, great discussion. Really made me think about what Trevor was saying. I'm glad that knowing the diagnoses of ADHD made Trevor feel better. I don't think it does for most people. Insight is good, but it's not necessarily a catalyst for change. I've been to many therapists over the years, and have found talk therapy mostly useless. Maybe because I've always been very insightful and intuitive myself. I can totally relate to Trevor going off in his mind during conversations. I've done this all my life. I just tell people that sometimes I space out and ask them to repeat what they were saying. I'm not convinced that this is a symptom of ADHD. It maybe a combination of things. At around 50, I realized that I'm a Highly Sensitive Person, and learned that HSPs are DEEP PROCESSORS. So, spacing out, like in Trevor's example about the shower patina, I think that's exactly what he's doing. I don't know if Trevor is an HSP, but he's definitely a deep processor, a deep thinker. He wouldn't be able to get to the root of most issues in the world, as well as he does. He's able to break through the noise, and present any event, personality, or issue in it's plain stripped down components in a way that everyone can understand. And from a simplified perspective that people never realized was there. It takes a highly analytical and perceptive mind to do that. To be able to do that, you have to take the time to process things on a deep level. It's not a bad thing. It's not a personality defect. It's a feature! When I space out like that, I apologize, but then sometimes I share what I was thinking about. So go ahead and share your musings about copper and green patina on the shower head. :o) After all that's why the Statue of Liberty is green. See now, I'm going to think about that, and wonder what she looked like in the beginning. Then I'll probably go and look up images online. Enjoy your streams of consciousness. I was never diagnosed with ADHD, since hyperactivity was never my issue, but I can relate to many ADD symptoms such as being easily distracted if bored or hyper-focused on a task I find interesting or totally absorbing. Many people don't realize that hyper-focus is also a symptom of ADHD. Maybe that's why playing video games is so gratifying. When an activity demands your complete attention, you do enter a state of flow. I don't play video games because after my first game of PacMan at age 10, when 4 hours felt like 4 minutes, I realized that I would become an addict. But as a creative person, I have experienced this flow state while drawing or painting, dancing or singing. I absolutely love internet research - talk about being completely focused and distracted at the same time. No depression, no anxiety, just total absorption. People are amazed at my patience and tenacity to research things online. That's that ADD hyperfocus coming into play. In the right job, it can be very useful. Unfortunately, after struggling for 20 years in the corporate world, in a semi-creative industry, I never did find the right replacement career. Shame definitely plays into this too. Depression, Anxiety, PTSD or cPTSD, are not mutually exclusive to shame, betrayal, or abuse. There's usually more than one cause to any problem. I developed psychogenic myoclonus after trying to wean myself off antidepressants. Psychiatrists and Big Pharma deny that long term use of these drugs can cause debilitating withdrawal that is akin to torture that completely dysregulates your entire nervous system. I went to five neurologists, and they said that nothing can be done cause it's a psychosomatic issue. All they suggested was CBT.
I don't think "having insight" or not is a binary. We're complex creatures, and there are sometimes key points I see "insightful" people missing about themselves, which is what stops them from being able to really progress. Sometimes when you have too much faith in your self-insight, it stops you from being able to consider alternative perspectives and change your mind about yourself. (And we're all at least a little wrong about ourselves.)
@@piquantement True indeed, we all have biases and prejudices that have become inherent in our lives and experiences. It sounds like you're explaining a "Can't see the wood for the trees" symptom ;) Sometimes one is too close to a topic (which particularly happens with one's own personality/self) to be able to pull back to take an objective look at it. The insightful should always be questioning themselves, and willing to take on other perspectives, be flexible in the mind, and have the ability to admit to being wrong multiple times, and learn from mistakes. Just like scientists, there is no 100% certainty for anything because we are always viewing it through our own flawed, biased lens of our own personal experiences.
Somatic practices can help. If you cringe at the idea of yoga or breathwork, try fake laughter or forced humming ( with your mouth closed) several times daily for a week or so. Forcing somatic changes into your body will likely make a difference.
What I'm saying is that I don't believe that knowing the diagnosis is 80% of the cure, for most people with mental health issues. Perhaps for Trevor, finding out that HIS depression is a symptom of ADHD (which carries less stigma); But for a lot of us depression is a symptom of multiple causes that are not so simple to treat or unravel.
Trevor's ADHD insights are like my brain on a good day-fascinating and all over the place! 00:00 - Trevor loves solving puzzles, especially if they're gorgeous. 00:38 - Discussing ADHD with Gerard Carmichael and wild therapy insights. 02:41 - Comedy is a perfect environment for ADHD; comedians thrive on it. 03:40 - Misinterpreting ADHD as just being an [expletive]; it's really executive dysfunction. 05:07 - The body remembers trauma, like a black person reacting to a police siren. 07:01 - Trevor's journey with ketamine therapy to treat trauma.
This was awesome, thank you both! I'm on a list to get tested for ADHD and autism, all I know so far is I don't think the way other people think. The world baffles me. I'm slowly figuring it out though 👍 It's never too late to try to figure yourself out.
Same here, diagnosed at 46 with ADD and depression.. Finally understood my behavior as a kid and adult..refuse medication after negative experience with ADD medication, lost myself..
As a rule of thumb, I've noticed ADHD folks have some of the most sophisticated sense of humor I've experienced. That associative brain combined with such strong attention to details creates some amazing jokes.
Let me guide you to this specialist whose psych trip will blow your mind, he has been my guide for some time now he's got shrooms, Lsd, Dmt and other psychs stuffs he's reliable also and also ship discreetly
I just love Trevor. I think he's one of the sharpest tools in the shed. I will listen to whatever he has to say, because I can learn a lot from his perspective. I do have a couple of comments: 1. He says he has ADHD but that it doesn't mean running around out of control. But it kind of does; it's in the name. Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. I think the medical community needs to be more precise with naming such things. ADD, attention deficit disorder, also doesn't describe quite what he's talking about. The deficit in attention would be more from an observer's perspective, like perhaps a teacher. Maybe keep ADD, but call it attention direction disorder. 2. As someone with depression, and HORRIBLE depression without medication, I don't equate depression with sadness. My depression often prevents me from being happy, but sadness is not its essential nature. I fear that people's severe depression is not taken as seriously as it should be when it is characterized as sadness. Everyone has sadness, but not everyone has depression. Anyway, absolutely no criticism of Mr. Noah, just some random thoughts. Now about that bird at the window...
I explain ADHD as holding a group of folders, throwing them up in the air and having papers all across the floor. I have always had to work extra hard to get good grades, excel. I was diagnosed in graduate school. It was nuts. Explained so much!
Thank you Neal and Trevor for sharing many relatable moments. As a therapist and mental health coach with ADHD, I could easily relate to many insights including the body keeping the score of what traumas many people go through (and the book The Body Keeps The Score). Its in my body. "I cant talk this out" was also a powerful quote. Thank you
I'm a Woman diagnosed with ADHD at 61 .. (the daydreamer) explains my entire life!! Sister always called me a flake. Didn't finish school. Lost jobs, for always being late or not completing tasks. Lost friends for always being late making them think I didn't care. Self loathing because although I'm extremely intelligent, I just failed at life, procrastinating etc. After saying all of this, if I'm working on my hobbies, I can go 12 hours without thinking of food or what I was probably supposed to be doing. So bitter sweet, now I know and can begin to heal and now I know, what my life could have been.
Women and girls are much less likely to be diagnosed for ADHD because they often present differently. It’s such a shame but it is getting better. And people with few resources are also less likely to be properly diagnosed.
And there are treatments for ADHD that help a lot!
Wishing you the support you deserve.
are you my younger sister -the one I never got and still miffed a bit about it at 68 (3 bros no sis)? i didn't realize mine until my 60's but it finally clicked the tiles into place. I think my biggest problem figuring it out was because of my perceived intelligence,
Also important to note that the two hallmarks of ADHD-executive dysfunction and emotional disregulation-can be a result of early trauma, CPTSD.
I feel you. I'm 67 and finally diagnosed in 2009 already aware this was my problem however I still can't get proper help. The so call professionals only know the base line of ADHD information which I now know so much more but they just don't care. I'm female so ADHD present differently than Male and they only focused on male. Now I'm totally disregarded and not worth the help or it's too expensive to get to correct help. Doomed
52 and waiting for my official diagnosis. In my country the public health psychiatrist can't diagnose you, you have to pay private. Because there is an avalanche of (mostly) women like us. But the grief of all the opportunities.
Also I flew to mybold coty, went sightseeing and missed my friends wedding because I misremembered the time.
"It's in my body, I can't talk this out" that is the most relatable feeling I think I've ever heard
Look into EMDR. Trauma needs to be rewired. We store trauma and survival responses to keep us safe but when they cause overwhelm, unnecessary paranoia there are ways to treat and heal it. I would recommend the book he mentioned, “the body keeps the score” by Dr Van der Kolk. He’s truly helped rewrite our ability to cure trauma response, not make them disappear completely but soften that hyper-vigilance and anxiety to manageable levels. You are not alone in this.
That statement is profoundly relatable. The feeling of something being so deeply ingrained in our body that it can't simply be talked out resonates with many who struggle with mental health issues. It’s a reminder that healing often requires addressing both the physical and emotional aspects of our experiences. Acknowledging this complexity is crucial in finding effective ways to manage and overcome these challenges. Your connection to this sentiment highlights the importance of holistic approaches to mental health.
I discovered Cranial Sacral Therapy to be incredibly helpful to my lifetime of tight muscles. I am saddened to see it has a reputation as pseudoscience because it is one of those things that I do not care if it does what it is supposedly supposed to be doing. All I know is how powerfully effective it is for me, far more than massage, so it is worth every penny. I wish I discovered it long ago. If I had, I may have been practicing that, instead of nursing!
@@CibitiProEmotions are physical.
its called demonic possession - its subtle
"The diagnosis is more important than most medications...just knowing is 80% as effective as treating" had me in tears because it's so true 😭
Felt the same, for me it was "Ah ADHD is the reason that promising myself to do something 'tomorrow' will never work. Then i shouldnt trust my future self and better get right on it or find a better approach"
This, a thousands times over. Sometimes I call it "working off the right instruction manual for your brain". When you know why your brain does something, it's less traumatic when it happens and helps you plan for it happening and knowing what to do with it in the moment as well. It is a life changer when you get the right diagnosis (instruction manual) and can start understanding your motivations, etc.
1000%
Nonsense. Knowing it is nice. But without the meds it’s just bs
Unless you have the time thing where you can't tell time passage like at all. Then medication makes a much larger impact😅 during the medication shortages it was a complete nightmare. Absolutely constant source of embarrassment and if it weren't for my friends and coworkers I do not know what I would have done. And like 5 million alarms which of course I tune out after a while. Super exhausted.
"If you don't take things personally, the world opens up to you" is some major wisdom buried at the end.
📠 it will set you free.
This.
Good advice you hear derived from scientific consensus usually *_is_* good once you get over yourself.
Regular sleep? Check.
Regular exercise? Check.
Less booze and red meat? Check
Taking breaks and looking after yourself? Check.
I learned to say _"No way! Really? Okay, time for science, I'll try",_ and it has made my life so much better ¯\_ (ツ) _/¯
GENTLE HATHA YOGA HAS BEEN AMAZING FOR ME SHUTS UP MY BRAIN BODY BRAIN MORE FLEXIBLE RESILUENT CALMUNG I ALSO LOVE.RESPECT DEEPLY NATURE AND ANIMALS TONS TO RESPECT LEARN GROW EXPAND AND DANCING BALLROOM WEST COAST SWING I HAVE UNCREDIBLE RYTHYM SP? IM IN A FUN SPIRITUAL SOUL PLACE ITS FANTASTIC ADHD OPENS MANY DOORS ACCEPTANCE IS HUGE ABOUT ME AND ABOUT OTHERS
a real man never cry on tv
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Ah, the mythological "real man"...
Why is he always described as a sad, constricted jerk?
He is always defined negatively by all the stuff he can't do.
How about looking at potential and positive images instead?
Trevor described that Adhd checking out moment so perfectly
I even do it when I’m reading or watching a movie. I’ll get distracted by one point and go on a mental tangent
He really did. I was like wow now I know how to perfectly describe it to other people
I've done this exact same thing over a crusty showerhead in my house! This could explain why I have such trouble staying on task with house projects.
It could also come from childhood trauma. From what I understand, it's more likely there's something triggering you from your upbringing that might cause you to mildly dissociate. Inner child work helped me greatly on this type of thing.
@@cocomaire I remember being so excited when I first got to watch a movie I could pause and finish whatever tangent my brain went on so I didn’t miss what was going on in the movie. (I don’t know if I have ADHD but I am a little something!)
Trevor Noah is a breath of fresh air. Helped me survive lockdown, I miss his daily show so much.
I’m still hurt he left😢 He was a breath of fresh air
@@mayaedwards31 he was a breath of fresh air but also just absolutely wise and so skillful at tying things together for us. i miss him greatly and it's so healing just to hear his voice, and speaking on something that i am struggling with every single day means even more. trevor noah is such a gift to our world
I always looked forward to Trevor's show.
Yah, he's got to do what's right for him and I wish him luck in whatever he does, but he was brilliant on the Daily Show. Miss his voice, his point of view, on that show.
I loved Trevor too. Watched almost everyday, but he was NOT Jon Stewart. I learned a lot from Trevor, but during this time Jon's voice is our loudest hope. 😂 I just wish he would work more than 1 day a week. 😂😂
I work in the therapy field and what he says about the comedy field being a good field for ADHD is exactly the reason why people who have ADHD can be excellent trauma therapists, trauma nurses/doctors, paramedics, etc. some of the best in the field are those with ADHD, because of their brain’s way of taking in information & track in the midst of chaos!
He’s so right!
Other exciting & appropriate career choices for ADHD folks is LIVE tv/radio/performing or the like. As Trevor essentially said, like comedy, the work occupies all parts of your brain yet demands you stay in the moment being aware of a ton of other inputs at the same time.
It's funny you say this.... I was a medic for nearly 20 years before burn out hit (Which 20 years of EMS is its own trauma). I was a very good medic. I switched to a different career in healthcare and I feel like I've struggled with it the ENTIRE TIME. And it's so frustrating because I was a good medic, so why can't I do this? But I think it's exactly what you said... the chaos forces focus. Whereas the controlled environment of what I do now does not. I hadn't thought of it this way before.
And another piece of the puzzle falls in place...
At this point I'm in my 50s and self diagnosed (and as several friends who are diagnosed have said, I'm peer reviewed). It has been something I've been aware of all my adult life that in an emergency, or just when things have gone chaotic, I'm the one who can look around, assess the problem and do something/give instructions while most people are frozen or turning in circles.
My partner is a workplace first aider and does that.
I'd never realised that that was a function of an adhd brain, but that makes total sense.
Totally, dopamine hits galore for being the funny kid!
I have always felt comfortable in chaos, never knew what to do when I have time to do something. Does this also happen to people with ADHD?
I didn't know I could love Trevor more than I already did. But as he talks about PTSD, ADHD and Depression I'm just nodding and feel more connected to him than ever. ❤
Have you read his book " Born a Crime"? It will help you understand where his tumor comes from, even dome of that PTSD.
Trevor Noah’s discussions on PTSD, ADHD, and depression resonate deeply with many, creating a sense of connection and understanding. His openness about these issues fosters a supportive community where individuals feel seen and validated. Your growing admiration for him reflects the power of his candidness and the importance of public figures sharing their mental health journeys. It helps break down barriers and encourages others to seek help and share their own stories.
I didn't know I had it until I was 73... not only that, I had it, but practically everyone in my family did, too... to say that escaping at a young age is probably the only way I survived. The whole family dynamic was so messed up that it's so hard to think about...PTSD from it is real
ADHD is totally made up
Thank you, Trevor Noah, for sharing this and Neal Brennan for posting it. I'm a therapist who specializes in working with adults with ADHD; later-in-life diagnoses of ADHD; women with ADHD; and the 2e population. This estimate is on the conservative side, but in school alone, a child with ADHD receives 20,000 corrections or negative comments by the time he or she is 10 years old. It is no wonder that depression and anxiety are common co-morbidities of ADHD. I focus on the emotional components of living with an invisible brain-based difference. Whether this is said by adults outright to a child with ADHD or their actions and efforts to treat a child's ADHD nonverbally relay the same message, children with ADHD (diagnosed or undiagnosed) tend to hold the negative core belief that they are somehow inherently broken and need to be fixed. Many of the adults who come to see me expect that I'll be like a certified watchmaker there to fix them like a broken clock. Shame is often at the heart of what adults with ADHD have been carrying with them for most of their lives. There is so much misinformation out there - even the nomenclature of the diagnosis is a misnomer. You're absolutely right- we don't have a deficit of attention - we have too much attention and an inability to filter out stimuli that are unimportant to the task at hand that we're trying desperately to focus on. Dr. Dodson described it well when he said that neurotypicals have a priority-based, or importance-based, nervous system and those with ADHD have an interest-based nervous system, except that we don't get to choose what we pay attention to. When it's a subject that highly interests us or there is some kind of variable that involves fear, our amygdala gets activated and we suddenly gain the ability to not only focus but hyperfocus. This is why so many of us with ADHD follow career paths in the performing arts or the ICU/ER - when the stakes get high, we get clear-headed, calm, and focused, and we can perform with ease. Those of us with ADHD (especially the inattentive type) often experience brain fog and activation issues partly due to insufficient dopamine levels, so stimulants help lift the fog so we can gain full access to our thoughts and it helps us get activated to start on tasks that do not inherently generate high levels of interest. Covid long-haulers with brain fog are getting medically treated with the medication we take for the brain fog we've been experiencing and dealing with our entire lives. When neurotypicals take a stimulant like Adderall, they have a vastly different experience from how it affects those of us with ADHD because they don't actually need the medication. It helps us feel like we can do the things that neurotypicals take for granted that they can do that require executive functioning skills - it doesn't put us into hyperfocus mode. There are still so many myths being perpetuated about ADHD that appear in places one might least expect, like in classrooms and doctor's offices; and the general misunderstanding often leads to the mistreatment of children, teens, and adults with ADHD. They are often on the receiving end of neurobigotry, (a term more recently coined by ADHD expert Sari Solden), that further fuels the shame they're carrying and their desire to hide and not get help.
In which state do you practice?
Late-diagnosed ADHD, here, finally going back to school to become a therapist. You are spot on with all of this.
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Thank you for posting this.
My husband with ADHD was a fabulous kindergarten teacher. He hated school himself but created a research based, hands on learning environment that he managed beautifully. He loves comedy and could be a comedian. All the memoirs I’ve read about comedians support Noah’s idea that many have ADHD.
Your husband would have enriched so many kids’ lives with that inclusive approach wow!
I'm so happy to hear you say that! I'm training to be an Early Childhood Educator!
Your husband’s experience as a kindergarten teacher with ADHD is inspiring. His ability to create an engaging, hands-on learning environment speaks to the strengths that often accompany ADHD, such as creativity and the ability to think outside the box. His passion for comedy and his success in education illustrate how ADHD can be a driving force in fields that require innovation and adaptability. This story reinforces the idea that with the right environment and understanding, individuals with ADHD can thrive and make significant contributions.
I have ADHD and anxiety. I can't handle 20+ kids like int he states, but had a great team tutoring small groups of kids in China. I especial like working with neurodivergent kids.
We decorated an awesome hand on learning classroom the fall in 2019... I'd like to get back to teaching.
Tell him hi, from another male (former) kindergarten teacher...yes ADHD
We have a society in America that prioritizes productivity and the maintenance of the status quo above all else. That’s where a lot of the self shaming comes in. When you’re rich you can afford to really step away and analyze your situation but if you’re poor everything becomes several extra steps just to meet your basic needs. These things go beyond what an individual can do to help themselves. There always needs to be accountability for behavior but have to look at it through a broader context of the way our system creates these conditions.
Well said!!
Well said!
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Spot on in Jake!!! It's the Social Model of Disability.
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I guess everyone arrives to mushrooms with different expec- tations. For me it was my eternal search for answers.
Rapid antidepressant effects Psilocybin has been shown to have rapid antidepressant effects, improving symptoms of depression in a matter of days.
Mushroom are being explored as potential treatments for various mental health conditions, including obsessive-compulsive disorder, eating disorders, and autism.
y'all talk about the benefits of mushrooms, but no one talks about where to fetch from.
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Trevor’s comment about focusing on the ‘wrong’ thing is true! I CAN NOT multitask, and if there is music playing it’s the _ONLY_ thing I can hear.
lol christ, exact same here. I can't for the life of me understand sometimes how people can hear each other talk and have real conversations in loud bars and clubs, can't they fucking hear the 100 different noises of music and other people talking all around us? And then I end up looking like the unsociable twat because after a while I just give up trying to understand what they're saying 🤦
:) I can't even eat and listen to somebody at the same time... Dating's a b*** with that preset!
@@empireoflightzI find it impossible to filter out distracting sounds and hear, much less follow a conversation.
I used to think i could multitask. Turns out, i can’t juggle.
@@empireoflightz oh my goodness, yes! I hate social gatherings, especially in pubs and other loud places. I cannot hear to have a conversation, and end up sitting there feeling excluded. I've always thought I had a hearing problem but when I've had it checked I've been told my hearing is fine and it must be a processing problem.
Yes! I was diagnosed with major depression at 12. I could never "get over it". Then, I was diagnosed at 44 with neurodivergent: ADHD (inattentive, impulsive) and on the autistic spectrum. It was enlightening. Then I was diagnosed with CPTSD and told my depression diagnosis was incorrect. My world opened up! Thank goodness the clarity came. I love myself now, at 46. I have hated myself for over 30 years. labels and understanding is so helpful. No more dismissive language. There are people with true depression--it is a valid diagnosis for some. But, it can be a dismissive diagnosis that doesn't get to the heart of the issue.
I have those as well! Panic attacks aren’t fun. And the CPTSD is from being autistic (actually from the way I’ve been treated by neurotypicals my whole life). Diagnosed ASD at 35, ADHD at 39, and the CPTSD was actually suspected before those two. But even though I tell people I need to know some things ahead of time, they purposely ignore it and it results in panic attacks. 🙄. If neurotypicals don’t change or at least try, we won’t heal.
Just wanted to let y'know that depression and anxiety as well as trauma fall under the neurodivergent umbrella. It's a pretty broad umbrella that also includes neurodegenerative conditions like dementia, Parkinson's, Huntington's, as well as MS and conditions such as CP, OCD, epilepsy, schizophrenia, Tourette's, personality disorders, eating disorders, substance abuse disorder, learning disabilities like dysgraphia, dyscalculia, dyslexia, intellectual disability, and so many more conditions.
Your journey from misdiagnosis to clarity is a powerful testament to the importance of accurate diagnosis and self-understanding. Being labeled with major depression at a young age, only to later discover ADHD and autism, must have been a profound shift. This new understanding has clearly transformed your self-perception and allowed you to embrace self-love. Your experience highlights the critical need for comprehensive evaluations in mental health, ensuring that individuals receive the most accurate and helpful diagnoses. Your story is a beacon of hope for others navigating similar paths, showing that it’s never too late to find clarity and begin healing.
@@CibitiPro this was such a refreshingly mature and kind comment to read.
@@rahbeeuh Thank you! You are welcome! 🙏
I am a Nurse Practitioner specializing in ADHD (while also having it! yay!) and this video is PERFECT. Trevor Noah, Comedian, Actor, ADHD Coach. 🙂
Me too! Exactly! I think it takes one to know one! It's been so therapeutic for me ( late diagnosed, woman, empathetic, sometimes depressed, etc.) to help others see what a gift is, and help them understand they aren't lazy, dumb, or broken. We are star-shaped blocks trying to fit in a square-shaped hole. Much easier to make our own damn holes!
@@kristienpya’ll are doing God’s work!
I'm sorry might I ask what your title is or what you went to school for to be in NP specializing in ADHD. I'm in my pre nursing courses but I recently switched to psychology because I couldn't find anything where I'm working with people with adhd. I would really appreciate it.
@@theelittlespook9309 there is a psychiatric nurse practitioner degree. Go For it! We need more!
Trevor is one of the most attractive men in the entertainment industry. Inside and outside. Him being so candid about therapy makes me respect him even more. I wholeheartedly wish him all the best.
Trevor Noah's authenticity and openness about his therapy journey add a deeper layer to his already admirable persona. His willingness to share his mental health experiences not only enhances his attractiveness but also serves as an inspiration for many. It takes courage to discuss such personal matters publicly, and Trevor's candidness helps to destigmatize therapy and mental health discussions. Wishing him all the best is a sentiment many share, and it’s heartening to see such support for his honesty and vulnerability.
He is simply gorgeous. I love his intellect, his smile, the way he relates to those he's engaging with. I'm a huge fan.
Ketamine, dmt and psilocybin containing mushroom are amazing. I could remember several years ago, I got diagnosed with OCD, also suffered severe depression and mental disorder. Not until my wife recommended me to psilocybin mushrooms treatment. Psilocybin treatment saved my life honestly. 6 years totally clean. Much respect to mother nature the great magic shrooms.
Hey mates! Can you help with the source? I suffer severe anxiety, panic and depression and I usually take prescription medicine, but they don't always help. Where can I find those psilocybin mushrooms? I'm really interested in treating my mental health without Rxs. I live in Australia don't know much about these. I'm so glad they helped you. I can't wait to get them too. Really need a reliable source 🙏
YES very sure of mycologist Predroavaro. This treatment worked for me. Helped me got rid of my anxiety and BPD.
I'm so very happy for you mate, Psilocybin is absolutely amazing, the way it shows you things, the way it teaches you things. I can not believe our world and our people shows less interest about it's helpfulness to humanity. It's love. The mushrooms heals people by showing the truth, it would be so beneficial for so many people, especially politicians and the rich who have lost their way and every other persons out there.
How do I reach out to him? Is he on insta
Yes he's Predroavaro a professional mycologist. My daughter did straight shrooms in few days. Made her whole! after words, no more addictions, pains, ptsd and depression. It helped us.
I love Trevor Noah. He is so incredibly intelligent, compassionate, and funny, and such a good soul. As a fellow person who also has severe ADHD, I so appreciate famous people coming out and explaining to people what ADHD does to people. People who don't have ADHD have a really hard time understanding and believing how difficult it is to have it.
It’s really hard to ADHD😢I HAVE
I am 31 and it’s been a month since I’ve been diagnosed with ADHD. He’s right about how just knowing changes almost everything. I’ve been living on survival mode, despite having a good paying job; there’s always something simple, a 30 minutes task I will procrastinate doing for weeks; I’ve put myself in many toxic relationships that I hyper focused on the other, and therefore lost touch with myself or was emotionally abused; I never completed any studies besides high school. I always thought I lacked some meaning in life, or that it was on me to be more determined and motivated… now I now it’s only a matter of time until I relearn how to play the game, because I’m that special character with special moves and tricks. Until then, I’m learning to be gentle with myself.
Your recent ADHD diagnosis at 31 must be both enlightening and challenging. Recognizing that your struggles with procrastination, toxic relationships, and unfinished studies stem from ADHD rather than a lack of determination is a significant shift. This newfound understanding allows you to approach life with more compassion for yourself. Your metaphor of being a "special character with special moves and tricks" is powerful-it highlights the unique strengths that come with ADHD. Embracing this journey and being gentle with yourself will undoubtedly lead to a more fulfilling life.
All we want is peace of mind and to be content isn't it?
Well, let me categorically state this: it is to be found in and through Christ Jesus.
You may contact me. (i have been a born again Christian for 53 years now)
email: christianmatters777@gmail.com
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Hi did you get treatment for that and if so what helped.
Trauma is its own muscle memory. Your body is still trying to keep you safe long after the threat is gone.
It sucks I get shakes
That happened to me in getting into a relationship… major panics at first, the response was trying to make me disengage
Trauma is all ADHD is.
Your statement about trauma acting as muscle memory is profound. It captures how our bodies continue to react to past threats, even long after the danger has passed. This ongoing physical response to trauma can significantly impact daily life and mental health. Recognizing this helps us understand why trauma treatment often needs to address both the mind and body. Your insight underscores the importance of comprehensive approaches to healing that consider the lasting impact of trauma on the body.
@@TheDavveponkenright I didn’t get how he explained it
Thank you for explaining the story of my life. Got diagnosed with ADHD yesterday, age 51. Until two months ago I had no idea why I have been such a failure. Now I know that I am not crazy, I can try to build my life from scratch. Luckily I have good personal relationships to help me.
I was diagnosed 4 years ago at 51...Trevor nailed the description! Luck to you....
You are already not a failure! If you have good personal relationships in your life then that says hugely positive things about you. Now with new knowledge about yourself you can work to improve the other stuff 😊
53, same thing. I found a support group and slowly I'm being empowered because I am getting vocabulary to talk about what was before senses and emotions. I've "come out" to some friends and also addressed some unhelpful reactions some had, in a way that has had a good outcome. I'm amazed at how quickly this is helping me simply step away from a lifetime of shame. Please find new ways to talk about yourself. e.g. "such a failure" - here you are at 51, having survived, you've had to drive a car with the handbrake on your whole life and you're still here! Your situation was set up for failure, you are not a failure. You are amazing! Now you can find out how to use your beautiful brain and your unique and amazing way of thinking! Wishing you healing and the beauty as you explore a new way of seeing yourself and the world, and a new type of life. I wish the same for everyone who has suffered for so long. Best wishes
Receiving an ADHD diagnosis at 51 must be a revelation. It’s a crucial step towards understanding your life experiences and dispelling the belief that you've been a failure. This new perspective allows you to rebuild your life with clarity and self-compassion. Having strong personal relationships to support you is invaluable. Your journey underscores the importance of awareness and diagnosis in transforming self-perception and opening up new possibilities for personal growth and fulfillment.
I'm 55 with ADHD. Surfing is the best thing for me. It causes me to be hyper focused and definitely puts me in a flow state.
I feel this with playing roller derby
Then how do you cope when not surfing?
It just occurred to me why the only sport I ever did consistently was rock climbing...
horseback riding
I was an addict half my life. I tried every antidepressant/ anti anxiety med there was. I finally got diagnosed with ADHD & autism at 35 and since being on adderal I feel in control of my life for the first time ever. I’m not constantly craving something or waiting for the next exciting thing to happen. I hadn’t realized most peoples brains don’t go so fast you have a dozen thoughts at a time. I can actually sit and enjoy playing with my kids or watching the birds for the first time. I quit smoking a decade ago but still craved a smoke every freaking day until I got on adhd meds. It is so great not to have to dopamine seek all the time anymore. I don’t feel like an alien anymore. I understand myself now.
Anti-depressants never worked for me. I feel like they were prescribed for the neurotypicals around me to feel more comfortable . They just numbed me. I hated it.
Happy for you ✨
Love that celebrities like Trevor are talking about neurodivergence. I was late-diagnosed with autism and adhd as an adult, and the diagnosis has brought so much clarity to my life.
Diagnosed with ADHD at 39, this is such a perfect example of what I went through & how I think/process. Getting a diagnosis 100% helps just knowing "you're not crazy." Hearing others talk about it & their experiences is very helpful in not feeling crazy, but feeling seen & better understanding
did you find medication helpful?
At a more foundational level, I’ve come to really believe that naming a thing, being able to point to an issue and say “that’s this understood thing” is very powerful in making progress getting to a place you’re happier with.
We know we're not crazy, it's just hard work trying to do all the shit we need to do with it getting in the way
Being diagnosed with ADHD at 39 must have been a profound moment of validation. Understanding that your experiences and thought processes are shared by others can be incredibly comforting. Hearing others talk about their ADHD helps in feeling seen and understood, reducing the sense of isolation. Diagnosis provides a framework for self-acceptance and better strategies to manage daily life. Your story emphasizes the importance of community and shared experiences in mental health journeys.
What he did with ketamine therapy, I did with hypnotherapy. My therapist literally told me, you can do the talk therapy yourself, you know how it works, you can do it all, but there’s this pain still left in your body that words can’t reach. The hypnotherapy got rid of that and I’m so, so grateful 🙏
Fantastic! How were you able to find a hynotherpist?
@@MF-xp9tq I just googled one and found an online one who didn’t have a waiting list. I’m in the Netherlands tho but I know someone in Tennessee who’s really good, if you’re looking for someone. I think she does online sessions too and for me that was just as helpful as in person!
What you did with Hypnotherapy, i did with EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique).. Chronic pain, gone!! Been 6 yrs now.
@@MF-xp9tq I typed a whole answer but now see it never posted. I found one who does it online! I’m in the Netherlands tho, but I know a good one in Tennessee who does online as far as I know, if you’re interested!
@@rite2anitha that’s great!
9:09 he does an excellent job describing what’s going on in an ADHDr’s mind when they’re “tuning out” / not paying attention to what you’re saying. Beautifully well explained.
I'm really really grateful for people who talk about their ADHD or Autism experience. I'm very late to learning this about myself, so listening to others is so enlightening/comforting.
Me too, because I have both the ADDHD and autism, for now, until I'm a lot better. I'm in my 40s.
@@NellieKAdaba We are in the same boat - AuDHD and I'm in my 40s also. Lots of luck
It's so rare to find people who speak genuinly, as you do, about some deseases...respect for you man. Trevor great human being❤
Sophomore year of college, I had a panic attack trying to write a 5 page paper and I expressed thoughts of s*****e. I was sent to a therapist two days later and he suggested I might have ADHD. Without even receiving meds, I left that session and wrote that paper in one sitting. The DIAGNOSIS was the most important thing to happen to my life because the unknown monster I was fighting had a face. Its weaknesses were known to me. There were strategies I could learn. But most importantly I learned I was not alone. The following month I wrote a 10 page paper in one day. The next year I was regularly writing 20 and 30 page papers. I graduated top of my class. Thank you Trevor for sharing your story.
Woman with ADHD who wasn't diagnosed until mid 30s. (Misdiagnosed with anxiety for years) once you know, you start to see it in others. I think Trevor's spot on here.
Thank you so much for sharing
Yesss!! I was recently diagnosed and I can definitely see it in other people. It's wild. It's like my whole life has changed for the better since being diagnosed.
I was only recently diagnosed with ADHD at the age of 62. It freaked me out as my brain went back to so many times in my life adults and other people would ask me what was wrong with me. I could see the destructive impulsive things that I did. And also, the hyper-focus abilities that I have when people tell me to focus on one thing at a time when I'm focusing on 3 and 4. I wish I had known decades ago. And I also have been diagnosed with anxiety and depressive disorder and PTSD following a severe car accident in September 2018. SUCKS. Because nobody can see it like a broken leg or arm. Just one day at a time working through things.
I diagnosed myself with it, because I feel my attention is not right, and then they properly diagnosed me with it when I was my 30s, and I'm in my 40s.
Recently got an autism diagnosis at 55. Also dealing with CPTSD. We nurodivergents(autism/adhd/cptsd) are the new Mutants. I am here for it!!!
I've struggled with C-PTSD for decades, and was diagnosed autistic in my 40s. It's amazing how often & long we struggle before getting the necessary tools.
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We need costumes!
I suspect I also have autism. How do I find out?
What's the treatment for Cptsd
I'm so grateful this popped up on my algorithm.
Me too
Me too❤
It’s honestly so good to hear people coming to terms with their adhd and their friends doing the same. I wish my friends old click their fingers to bring me back
I just received therapy by listening to Trevor Noah😊
My husband was home schooled for most of elementary school. He has never been diagnosed for ADHD but because of the space homeschooling gives kids to learn however he found out how he worked best, learned best, functioned best and never really needed treatments. He's able to explain to people, he knows how to buckle down and get er done when life requires that. It's so cool to see
That's pretty much what it is to have executive function disordered. When there are consquences staring us right in the face (when life requires it, as you said) we can get it done. When there are not life threatening consequences we sit here watching videos about other shit instead of doing any of the things I am supposed to be doing right now.
I had Ketamine infusion therapy for neuropathy. Now I can walk without my feet killing me. It was $300per session. I had 6 sessions 3 years ago. Gave me a new lease on life.
You know how much Ketamine you can buy for $300!? That’d be enough for multiple K-holes.
My experience was as a sedative after all night raves. We called it breakfast, as the street name was Special K.
I did a half dozen sessions at a clinic in San Antonio called Klarisana. Not a permanent fix, but one session every two months is better than a daily medication
@@jonpilgrim7820 Ya know, people criticize Elon Musk for utilizing Ketamine therapy. Seems they feel like they’re punching up.
@@hardcoreherbivore4730 Doing K on it's own isn't going to work. There is a method they use in ketamine therapy. You need professional assistance. It changed my life.
@@hardcoreherbivore4730 the cost was for the doctor administering the infusions. But I have wondered about possible benefits from other forms of Ketamine.
Trevor, your description of sitting there thinking about "green... copper... is it something in the pipes?" is spot on!
You nailed it Trevor!! I have shame. A ton of it. I did a lot of therapy. I even went back to school for counseling psychology and got accredited for EFT Meridian Tapping to try and figure out why I had so much trauma and shame. No one ever brought it up. I eventually figured it out myself when my best friend's daughter was having issues with her ADHD in high school. Turns out I am ADHD-I and high masking autistic female. But no one ever suspected or suggested. I was 46 and 48 when figuring it out. This is the cause of all of my depression, anxiety and self-loathing. Finally everything makes sense. Like he says, just knowing made such a huge difference in my life.
PS/ I haven't tried ketamine, but I did microdose and it also changed my life. Just a few times in the fall and no more Seasonal Affective Disorder in the PNW.
Noah’s description of the shower head train of thought was pretty much me struggling 5 years to get my degree and barely making it
Psilocybin trips have been some of the greatest experiences of my entire life
Golden teachers has been my go-to mushroom for months, it has helped in my recovery journey
I'm going through mushroom infusion therapy, and I can confirm that it does change your life.
After my trip yesterday, I did understand why mushrooms are praised... you can have some beautiful experiences on them..
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First time listening to your show, however I am beyond excited that I got a chance to hear it. OMG!!!!! As recently as 2yrs ago I asked to be evaluated. Finding out that the struggles I've lived with all my life were due to PTSD & ADHD was more than enlightening. FINALLY everything started making sense. Primary, secondary, college education, relationships... It all makes sense. I even found out that I am extremely bright... above average, but throughout my academic career I always thought I was stupid. I got right answers but never the way they wanted me to get them. The evaluation was the first tool in helping me to know me. THANK YOU for airing and thank you Trevor for being so transparent.
Thank you Trevor!! It's so so so great to see celebrities really understand ADHD as an executive function developmental disorders. It's a disorder of self regulation, and often comorbid with other disorders (depression, etc)
I am grateful for Trevor genuinely, he has a special talent for finding words to explain what I go through as an autistic ADHD, I have that autism flavor where there's no connexion between my brain and my mouth 😂 so I cannot express myself to people. But hearing it from someone who CAN say things actually helps. Thank you 🙏
Psychedelics definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression, I would like to try them again but it's just so hard to source out here
I’ve been researching on psychedelics and it’s benefits to individuals dealing with Anxiety, Depression, ADHD and from my findings, they really work and I’ve been eager to get some for a while but its been difficult to get my hands on them.
The Trips I've been having really helped me a lot. I’m now able to meditate and I finally feel in control of my emotions and my future and things that used to be mundane to me now seem incredible and full of nuance on top of that I'm way less driven by my ego and I have alot more empathy as well
I was having this constant, unbearable anxiety due to work stress. Not until I came across a very intelligent mycologist. He saved my life honestly
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I feel the same way too. I put too much on my plate and it definitely affects my stress and anxiety levels. I am also glad to be a part of this community.
@@RicardoSilva12299Does he deliver to various locations?
ADHD is both several kicks to the knee and a superpower. I've excelled in every retail job I had because I could multitask really well (even though it caused me a lot of stress lol), but at the same time I'll forget common words and I'll pause in the middle of my sentences to wait for my brain to figure out what it wants to say. I'm also really, *really* bad at time management. I am hyper aware of time when it comes to, say, having an appointment for something or waiting to hear back from someone, but I can go a few weeks with not talking to someone and have it not affect me because to me it just feels like a day or two. ADHD is sometimes funny but it's also extremely annoying. 🥴
The inner monologue edit is fucking perfect.
When I was diagnosed as a "Textbook example of high functioning ADHD" by one of Western Canada's top specialist in the field at age 57, my life finally started to make sense. Procrastination is my worst enemy.
Were you misdiagnosed before that?
Trevor is a very intelligent and effective communicator. I now understand more about ADHD that I’ve picked up from dozens of other sources. His spin on the condition goes a long way to describing the sort of comedy that has become popular in the last few decades, and how “a momentary distraction” can turn into a lifelong research with the right triggers. It underscores just how deeply and carefully some people process information, and why we need to appreciate this special ability.
Re: autism I can relate, plus I have hemi-sync, & dyslexia. I'm 75; I was put in a "retarded class". As an adult, I tried counseling -- claimed I was depressed. No I'm not, not lonely, not sad. I was on the Dean's list in college. Trevor explained what goes on in the brain very well -- thank you Trevor. Maybe you could be a spokesman, even for elders, like me.
Omg Trevor and Neal!!! Thank you for talking about this. I'm currently in trauma therapy and the book The Body Keeps the Score was a HUGE GAME/LIFE changer for me...
If you ever decide to do another sit down session like this... invite me. I have done EMDR therapy as well and ashwaghanda etc. Leveraging different therapeutic modalities one for my mind and another for my body was incredibly healing and really put me in a much better place mentally/emotionally.
I'm so excited for conversations like this. Great job ya'll.
True!!! The way Trevor explains what happens when he gets distracted in conversation, is spot on. My family's term for me when this happens in conversation is "She's off with the fairies again". LOL! Then they have to shout my name to get me back to focus on what they are saying. I then have to get them to go back a few steps in conversation where I got side tracked ... Every little thing in a conversation makes me go off track to something else. I have numerous unfinished projects all around. I will move from one unfinished project in the day to another one that I pass by to pick something up and then work on that one and not go back to the original one I started on in the day. Everybody hates watching movies with me because I will pause every step of the way to talk about something in the movie and give my theory or opinion about what will happen next (and I'm most of the time correct). Now I'm not allowed to have the remote control lol.
I’ve treated adhd for 30 years and that is one of the best explanations I’ve heard. Thank you, Noah.
This kind of interview makes him even bigger than the Daily Show.
His superpower is how he brings you into his world.
My sister and I talked about this. Cannot cry it out, can't puke it out, can't run it off, etc. being ridiculed for being who you are
Well said! I like to think of us (ADHDers) as philosophers. One little random comment about anything and our, at least mine, train of thought has taken us to thinking of the universe and what it all means 😂
Thanks for this discussion. I read here with compassion of everyone's struggles with ADHD. As the older sibling of a brother 9 years younger than me diagnosed with it fairly recently along with his being bipolar and with CPTSD, I have also experienced the pain of being attacked verbally by my brother at family events and my sister's funeral recently. It has been painful over the years as a child growing up with him and as an adult on the end of sudden outbursts though I usually avoid contact to protect myself and I only went to the funeral as he had contacted me with a more moderate conversation. May we all benefit from a greater understanding of all of these struggles. It has been truly awful.
Love this. I had this exact experience. Got tested and diagnosed with ADHD at 41 after years of feeling depressed because I thought I was a failure.
Trevor has such a good, concise way of explaining ADHD. I highly recommend the channel "How to ADHD". I've reorganized my living space, and it's helped so much.
Interviewer should let Trevor speak uninterrupted. Anyone who aligns with this should watch Brene Brown’s Netflix special on shame and vulnerability. (As well as her Ted Talks, of course.) Love that Trevor is so in touch with his brain and emotions and overall patterns, and then shares.
Thank you for that recommendation!
I didn't notice the interruptions so much.
“The interviewer” ?? that’s Neil fucking Brennan!
Yes I noticed the interjections. Trevor has practiced holding on to his point calmly.
He lets him speak, just does a few quick comments and questions. You want a monologue, watch his standup.
Somatic therapy also changes stuff on a deep, cellular level - breaking the connection. Ketamine is also good for some. But Somatic Therapy can also change your life.
Thank you Trevor. There is that one piece in a conversation that keep us stuck right there trying to figure it out. Our brains CAN'T move on until that one piece is solved. Like that bird in the window. I will check out of a conversation and fall back in at the right time. People don't understand ADHD. They think your lazy with a bunch of problems. People with ADHD is not always bouncing around because their ADHD hyperactivity. Then there's ADHD where as your not hyper. I thought my depression was always holding me down until I started studying ADHD. ADHD mimic depression. I had to learn my depression signs against my ADHD and that's when I realized my ADHD was responsible for Most of my actions. I'm still learning my mental health and the effects it's got on me. Have a good evening everyone.
this spoke to my soul.
Yesss
Wonderful to hear someone describe ADHD so clearly
TREVOR!!! Trea-vr...which in my head I hear spoken in your delightful grandmother's voice. Yes-yes-yes, and thank you times- a-zillion--when you said comedy "forces focus to the state of flow". I have never heard what I sooooo seek in the day to day minutes to hours to days of my life, described like that. It is that. Focus to the state of flow. I have had it, I love it, I thrive and excel in it; I can feel and experience it, know when I am in it, but couldn't explain it. I seek it but until I heard you say those words, that description, I have not been able to explain what I'm after, what I struggle for, and most important, what works. To myself or others. Thank you Trevor. That phrase is a gift I will use. It is a tool, an explanation, a direction, an answer. I have always loved you but now I love you even more. Thank god/God, one and or every single one of them. And God and Gods, all of them, bless your grandmother (is it Coco, or Gogo or something else?) She is a queen, now with That Queen. Thank you for sharing her as well.
I love Trevor soooooooo much. What he brings to the table is always so pure and what just NEEDS TO BE SAID. Miss his voice on the daily show. Or at least his perspective on the national moment. TRRRRREEEEEEVVVVOOOORRRRRR. !!!!!!
May god help you
Diagnosed with ADHD at 40. Developed sense of humour and was always the class clown as a way to fit in and not appear super weird to everyone. Things doesn't make sense for ADHD folks in today's world.
I love Trevor, and I think there's value in this conversation even if I (note: therapist) disagree with some parts of what he says and how he presents it. But to that extent, I really do have to say that he misunderstands or misrepresents how diagnosis works, focuses of treatment, differentiating factors for the diagnoses he mentions, etc. An example: he mentions (in other words) how he thinks many people are referring to depressive symptoms as depression when it can often be attributable to something else, which is absolutely true. However even MORE common is how depression can present with symptoms that look like other things (including ADHD, his focus). Which is why the DSM criteria always include reference to not being attributable to more specific diagnoses. And why his gripe is with over-generalizing conversations like these (though some parts are spot on, for sure) rather than clinical approaches, though I don't know the individual case of Carmichael + am not denying that lazy and or less efficient professionals exist like in any profession
Trevor is describing how our brains are wired and how the amygdala will automatically respond. I love the way he describes things 🙌🏾 I have so people people in the 40s plus coming to get assessed for possible ADHD.
Trever Noah has always been a brilliant comedian. I have tenfold respect for him for sharing this part of himself and helping advocate. The part about many comedians probably being on the spectrum was not only funny, but makes a lot of sense.
I'm so glad Trevor's famous and gets to share his well articulated perspectives
Me too.
It’s amazing how Trevor Noah’s story about ADHD resonates with me. I used to think I was just dealing with a bunch of crazy coincidences in life, but as I got older, I realized it was really my ADHD at play. Like Trevor said, there’s so much that I forget or think people won’t believe, but it’s all true! In my early 20s, I was so ashamed that I couldn’t focus on one thing, but I’ve learned that my ADHD is actually a part of why I have so many passions. It’s not about focusing on one thing, but rather directing my energy to where my attention naturally flows. “Force is focus “
“ When you know, you now understand “ omg!! Such insight fellow adhd diagnosed at 49 years old. Thank you Trevor.
For years, I have been susceptible to burnout and depression ... yet I had always feared going to the doctor or psychiatrist about it, because I expected the response would be "here's a happy pill that will fix you" when what I was *certain* I needed was some sort of lifestyle change. At the time, I thought I needed to find the "right" career for myself ... but I have since discovered that I'm autistic and have ADHD, and that there's a good chance that *if* I switched careers, I'd *still* burn out regularly.
But I cannot help but feel "vindicated" somewhat by this discovery -- I have the impression that if I had sought help, I would have gone down an unhelpful path of diagnosis after diagnosis until someone would *finally* ask "Have you considered autism or ADHD?", like so many people before me -- but now I have a good sense of "structure" for what help I need -- but, alas, I don't have a timeline for when I can get evaluated, so I can pinpoint better what I need (other than that I'm now on a waitlist for an evaluation).
I love how Trevor explained this! I don’t feel alone or crazy for thinking this way. Living like this makes you think something is wrong with you but there isn’t.
Seeing two people whose minds I have so much respect for talk about these issues makes me feel so much better about my battle with ADHD. It's been a challenge my whole life, especially in the beginning. I wasn't diagnosed until I was almost 30 and as a kid, I can look back and say it probably began somewhere around age 11 or 12. Back then it was called "DeSean has self-control issues." It's just nice to see that even brilliant minds also struggle with this "disorder."
i could not love trevor anymore than i love him right now. having only recently been diagnosed with ADHD, as well as early childhood trauma (CPTSD), i just feel so seen, and by someone who I respect and admire so much. thank you thank you thankypu
This is such a great conversation. Thank you so much.
As someone with significant trauma, and ADHD, Ketamine has been so supportive in my life moving forward.
“When you know, you understand.” This is so great.
Trevor mentioned that 80% is just knowing. I was diagnosed at 36, and my doctor asked me how I felt about the label of ADHD. I said I love it, it means there is a reason I feel and act the way I am, and it explains my entire life. It's so true! It doesn't magically change everything, but it does change your mindset and being able to tell people in your life so they understand.
Many people didn't believe me when I said I have ADHD, because I learned how to mask and coop incredibly well. I've kept jobs, never late, well organized, etc. But after going through some traumatic things masking became harder and sometimes impossible. I've since learned how exhausting masking is, and try to take breaks from it.
So true. I'm 27 and I am happy that I know now despite having lost so much because of it.
Thank you for uploading this as a separate segment. Planning on sharing this with my family. As someone who’s had ADHD pretty much forever, diagnosed as a kid, and as I recently started doing standup comedy, it all makes perfect sense.
Interesting video content. My relationship of 5 years ended a month ago. The love of my life decided to leave me, I really love her so much I can’t stop thinking about her, I’ve tried my very best to get her back in my life, but to no avail, I’m frustrated, I don’t see my life with anyone else. I’ve done my best to get rid of the thoughts of her, but I can’t, I don’t know why I’m saying this here, I really miss her and just can’t stop thinking about her.
its difficult to let go of someone you love, i was in a similar situation, my relationship of 12 years ended, but i couldnt just let him go i did all i could to get him back, i had to seek the help of a spiritual counselor who helped me bring him back
Amazing, how did you get a spiritual counselor, and how do i reach her?
Her name is Shelly renee white , and she is a great spiritual counselor who can bring back your ex.
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@@elladonaldson-lh6nc Don't give people false hope - it's cruel.
My cognitive therapist recommended I read The Body Keeps the Score. I haven’t gotten past chapter one. thank you Trevor my brothers and I all have issue where we tune out. I used to think that it was from my family history of alcohol and drug use. Now As I remember things and situations from growing up; the way you explained, it make a lot of sense. I will share this with my family.
Children with a difficult childhood often end up with ADHD
It's a hard book. It gets easier though, the first chapter is the worst. I had to switch to an audio book to get through it lol
Good luck to you❤
@@karimajor1165 Unrecognized, undiagnosed ADHD often causes children to have a difficult childhood.
This is me expressing gratitude to you, Neal. For the candor of Three Mics and what it meant to me, for offering up your evolution for me to learn from, for sharing so many insights from so many stars, for being an ambassador of sorts for black men and our experience, and of course, for the laughs. “Crazy Good”, as a title, sold it short.
Omg your tangent about the shower head is my freaking LIFE! Dealing with this is exhausting!
I had no idea Trevor had ADHD!!!! I have never been diagnosed but am so grateful he shared this.
This man is a national treasure and the world won't realize it until later. It's been a joy Mr. Noah to watch you grow... Never thought you were funny, but an emerging intellectual nonetheless.
As a veteran suffering with chronic depression and anxiety, and as a late diagnosed AuDHDer, I completely understand the struggle because I and my family live it everyday!
Life for me is being in survival mode every second of everyday, literally!
Now, thanks to my diagnosis in my late fifties, I understand the 'why' life has been a series of constant struggles and failures! Plus I see now that one of my defense mechanisms was being the 'clown' has been my way of engaging with people. The old, "I'd rather that you'd laugh with me than have you laugh at me!"
With my current knowledge and tools, I hope to have a better life within my capabilities going forward! 🖖
Because my spirit animal - Godzilla - demands it! 😆
Hi Neal and Trevor, great discussion. Really made me think about what Trevor was saying. I'm glad that knowing the diagnoses of ADHD made Trevor feel better. I don't think it does for most people. Insight is good, but it's not necessarily a catalyst for change. I've been to many therapists over the years, and have found talk therapy mostly useless. Maybe because I've always been very insightful and intuitive myself. I can totally relate to Trevor going off in his mind during conversations. I've done this all my life. I just tell people that sometimes I space out and ask them to repeat what they were saying. I'm not convinced that this is a symptom of ADHD. It maybe a combination of things. At around 50, I realized that I'm a Highly Sensitive Person, and learned that HSPs are DEEP PROCESSORS. So, spacing out, like in Trevor's example about the shower patina, I think that's exactly what he's doing. I don't know if Trevor is an HSP, but he's definitely a deep processor, a deep thinker. He wouldn't be able to get to the root of most issues in the world, as well as he does. He's able to break through the noise, and present any event, personality, or issue in it's plain stripped down components in a way that everyone can understand. And from a simplified perspective that people never realized was there. It takes a highly analytical and perceptive mind to do that. To be able to do that, you have to take the time to process things on a deep level. It's not a bad thing. It's not a personality defect. It's a feature! When I space out like that, I apologize, but then sometimes I share what I was thinking about. So go ahead and share your musings about copper and green patina on the shower head. :o) After all that's why the Statue of Liberty is green. See now, I'm going to think about that, and wonder what she looked like in the beginning. Then I'll probably go and look up images online. Enjoy your streams of consciousness. I was never diagnosed with ADHD, since hyperactivity was never my issue, but I can relate to many ADD symptoms such as being easily distracted if bored or hyper-focused on a task I find interesting or totally absorbing. Many people don't realize that hyper-focus is also a symptom of ADHD. Maybe that's why playing video games is so gratifying. When an activity demands your complete attention, you do enter a state of flow. I don't play video games because after my first game of PacMan at age 10, when 4 hours felt like 4 minutes, I realized that I would become an addict. But as a creative person, I have experienced this flow state while drawing or painting, dancing or singing. I absolutely love internet research - talk about being completely focused and distracted at the same time. No depression, no anxiety, just total absorption. People are amazed at my patience and tenacity to research things online. That's that ADD hyperfocus coming into play. In the right job, it can be very useful. Unfortunately, after struggling for 20 years in the corporate world, in a semi-creative industry, I never did find the right replacement career. Shame definitely plays into this too. Depression, Anxiety, PTSD or cPTSD, are not mutually exclusive to shame, betrayal, or abuse. There's usually more than one cause to any problem. I developed psychogenic myoclonus after trying to wean myself off antidepressants. Psychiatrists and Big Pharma deny that long term use of these drugs can cause debilitating withdrawal that is akin to torture that completely dysregulates your entire nervous system. I went to five neurologists, and they said that nothing can be done cause it's a psychosomatic issue. All they suggested was CBT.
I don't think "having insight" or not is a binary. We're complex creatures, and there are sometimes key points I see "insightful" people missing about themselves, which is what stops them from being able to really progress. Sometimes when you have too much faith in your self-insight, it stops you from being able to consider alternative perspectives and change your mind about yourself. (And we're all at least a little wrong about ourselves.)
@@piquantement True indeed, we all have biases and prejudices that have become inherent in our lives and experiences. It sounds like you're explaining a "Can't see the wood for the trees" symptom ;)
Sometimes one is too close to a topic (which particularly happens with one's own personality/self) to be able to pull back to take an objective look at it. The insightful should always be questioning themselves, and willing to take on other perspectives, be flexible in the mind, and have the ability to admit to being wrong multiple times, and learn from mistakes. Just like scientists, there is no 100% certainty for anything because we are always viewing it through our own flawed, biased lens of our own personal experiences.
hyper activity is not necessary for a ADD diagnosis.
Somatic practices can help. If you cringe at the idea of yoga or breathwork, try fake laughter or forced humming ( with your mouth closed) several times daily for a week or so.
Forcing somatic changes into your body will likely make a difference.
What I'm saying is that I don't believe that knowing the diagnosis is 80% of the cure, for most people with mental health issues. Perhaps for Trevor, finding out that HIS depression is a symptom of ADHD (which carries less stigma); But for a lot of us depression is a symptom of multiple causes that are not so simple to treat or unravel.
Communicated so beautifully. A true gift. Shine on.
Trevor's ADHD insights are like my brain on a good day-fascinating and all over the place!
00:00 - Trevor loves solving puzzles, especially if they're gorgeous.
00:38 - Discussing ADHD with Gerard Carmichael and wild therapy insights.
02:41 - Comedy is a perfect environment for ADHD; comedians thrive on it.
03:40 - Misinterpreting ADHD as just being an [expletive]; it's really executive dysfunction.
05:07 - The body remembers trauma, like a black person reacting to a police siren.
07:01 - Trevor's journey with ketamine therapy to treat trauma.
This was awesome, thank you both! I'm on a list to get tested for ADHD and autism, all I know so far is I don't think the way other people think. The world baffles me. I'm slowly figuring it out though 👍 It's never too late to try to figure yourself out.
Same here, diagnosed at 46 with ADD and depression.. Finally understood my behavior as a kid and adult..refuse medication after negative experience with ADD medication, lost myself..
As a rule of thumb, I've noticed ADHD folks have some of the most sophisticated sense of humor I've experienced. That associative brain combined with such strong attention to details creates some amazing jokes.
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I just love Trevor. I think he's one of the sharpest tools in the shed. I will listen to whatever he has to say, because I can learn a lot from his perspective.
I do have a couple of comments:
1. He says he has ADHD but that it doesn't mean running around out of control. But it kind of does; it's in the name. Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. I think the medical community needs to be more precise with naming such things. ADD, attention deficit disorder, also doesn't describe quite what he's talking about. The deficit in attention would be more from an observer's perspective, like perhaps a teacher. Maybe keep ADD, but call it attention direction disorder.
2. As someone with depression, and HORRIBLE depression without medication, I don't equate depression with sadness. My depression often prevents me from being happy, but sadness is not its essential nature. I fear that people's severe depression is not taken as seriously as it should be when it is characterized as sadness. Everyone has sadness, but not everyone has depression.
Anyway, absolutely no criticism of Mr. Noah, just some random thoughts. Now about that bird at the window...
Just knowing is also a game changer. Yes, telling people is so important.
I explain ADHD as holding a group of folders, throwing them up in the air and having papers all across the floor. I have always had to work extra hard to get good grades, excel. I was diagnosed in graduate school. It was nuts. Explained so much!
I really needed to hear this discussion; thank you.
Thank you Neal and Trevor for sharing many relatable moments. As a therapist and mental health coach with ADHD, I could easily relate to many insights including the body keeping the score of what traumas many people go through (and the book The Body Keeps The Score). Its in my body. "I cant talk this out" was also a powerful quote. Thank you
This was so informative and he is such a cool gentleman. Thank you for explaining it the way you did.
2:02 Common misunderstanding. Thanks for calling it out.