Great video, thank you. I made my wife watch every single Alien and Predator movie last month. One each night including the AVP's. One other thing, I didn't realise that Frodo and Harry Potter had a kid, how are your parents 😜🤭
You really need to read the ACMTM. A:CM game ties into it perfectly. Shinyo Maru + Legato: blue in blue. Bishop 341-B in Aliens was nefarious after all. Search google
The easiest way to resolve Covenant with the rest of the franchise is to assume that David did not create the xenomorphs but that the Engineers already created them long before and David just reverse-engineered them with his research on the Engineer-planet
@@unclekarl5219that’s how I look at it, at least until they say otherwise in the next movie. That or David is responsible for an ancestor of the eventual xenomorph we know and love sort of like how the deacon is definitely a member of the species albeit a very early version of
I always think of Ripleys perspective. From the first meeting with a xenomorph, to her death, her whole life is consumed by xenomorphs. The only reprieve is her hyper sleep, but every time she wakes, she’s back in at the deep end every time, loved ones dead and fighting once again.
@@drphot6050 There is even a pretty good book on screenplay called “save the cat” which has a very jonesy looking cat on the cover. Idea being you need tricks like that to draw people in and make them care about the characters. A person saving a cat, or owning a dog is apparently that well thought of. Never mind saving no human beings.
The scene where the hybrid gets sucked out through the window literally scarred me mentally for a while. As it was screaming you could hear it say "help me". That scene haunted me for quite a while afterward, I remember going to school the next day and it was all I could think about, lol. Just a truly horrific scene.
same, l watched that shit as a kid and it fucked me up, same with an american werewolf in london, l watched them again last week as an adult just to get the trauma out of me lol
That scene has also burned itself into my memories for ever. xD Idk. There is a lot of stuff wrong about the fourth movie I think, but they nailed the body-horror and gore.
Ripley finding out her daughter Amanda is dead "doesn't add anything"? Are you serious? It adds everything to the central relationship in the movie, that of Ripley and Newt!
Right I Agree as it is through the Death of a Daughter for one of them and the Death of Both Parents for the is how Both Newt and Ridley was able to connect in such a personal manner. Which is why they see each other as Surrogate Parent and Surrogate Child for one another.
@@Doubleohstevo Agreed I not noticed that in the Film but when the UA-cam Channel ''The Deep Dive' did their Aliens Film Analyses this Past October they meantion exctally that. But Thank You for Reminding me anyways. (In the Non Sarcastic Way of course)
I think the Alien franchise has really lucked out, in, their monster is SO cool, that the series can be a mess of retcons and changing directors, but it will always have a spark of appeal because the Xenomorph is just that cool. You're braver than I for trying to untangle this mess of Christmas Lights.
Yeah, I'm going to call that historical fact. Don't care about the issues with the Bladerunner sequel, or the earliness in the timeline of the original Bladerunner. The connection is just too perfect. Both examples of attempts to profit from the control of nature, by way of the most depraved and exploitative business practices imaginable.
@@ricco3 Walmart calls its regular staff 'crew'. Walmart often does not pay the 'crew' a living wage, forcing many of them to turn to [billions total in] public assistance. Key word, "living" wage, i.e. not enough to live on. Expendable.
@@ricco3 Walmart was found decades ago (before being legally forced to provide health insurance) to have done research and then deny health insurance to all the sick and at risk elderly in their employ, and then took out life insurance policies on all of them. Their own employees. When near death, deny health insurance to hurry their death along while taking life insurance policies on them. The law that allowed this was made specifically for companies to cover themselves when a critical CEO died. They used it on your grandma, then worked her to death on purpose and fought her getting to see a doctor. They made a profit working people in their last years of life to death and making 6 figures of profit for each one that died.
Aliens is my favorite movie of all time. My older brother introduced it to me when I was too young. I cannot hear the motion tracker beeps without getting anxious. Hudson is literally an all-timer.
Hudson is great. Aliens is a wonderful action flick. But Alien is the greatest sci-fi thriller of all time. The Thing would be it, but it's got too much horror elements to be just a thriller, it's on a category all of itself.
My parents introduced me to Alien when I was around 4-5y/o and its my all time favorite and I love the entire series. Yes even the ones everyone else hate. 😂
@@alexandresobreiramartins9461Alien and The Thing are probably the greatest suspense horror movies of all time, they don't make them like that anymore.
@@blaah9999yeah I was introduced to Alien and Aliens around that age, mostly because my sister is named after Ripley. Not gonna lie I'm super jealous of my sisters name 😂 she isn't even a scifi fan!
Predators actually has more references to the Alien franchise. In the Predator hunting camp you can see another Xenomorph skull hanging from a pole and the main bad Predator is canonically wearing the lower jaw of one around its helmet, so the movie is meant to take place within the AVP timeline.
The multiple cuts of Alien 3 answer so many questions for me. I could have sworn that ripley grabs the alien as it bursts out of her chest at the end of alien 3. But then when I saw the film, that scene was missing. For years, I just figured it was the mandela effect... until watching your video.
I just don't understand why, for just one given movie, there has to be: director's cut, editor's cut, my grandmother's cut...and then, depending in what country of this globe you live in - you get to see a censored version depending on who knows what opinion on what has to be censored or adapted.
@@BabaNovac792 Regimes control the cognition of the worker bees, their means-of-production. The countries with largest populations (thus consumer markets) on Earth (India, China, et al) regularly censor content made inside and outside their borders. India's censor board (CBFC) scrubbing political views from films is no different than the U.S.'s MPAA doing it. The different editions/cuts are simple resource accumulation ($). 😉 Happy watchin'.
Ah, Demolition Man! Classic. "Simon Phoenix, lie down on the ground, or else". "You're gonna regret this for the rest of your life...both seconds of it".
If we're gonna get technical, His dad was a builder, which in those days was sorta like an engineer. But calling Jesus a carpenter is like calling Paris Hilton a hotel owner; it's not her primary occupation.
Alien Resurrection was an utter blight on the series as was Alien Covenant, the latter having smarmy, shitty made-for-tv writing for sub 90 IQ people who think the idea of David creating the xenomorph was a "smart" idea. Disgusting.
Joseph (not his real name) was a carpenter. Joseph also wasn't Jesus' father. And you say this, working on the basis that Jesus actually existed, which there's no evidence of.
In the original script of prometheus, the engineer tells david that they took a child from their mother on earth and brought them back to their home to teach them how to lead their world on the right path, but humans punished him instead. It lines up with the timeline of the engineer being in stasis for about 2000 years before they woke him up.
Great video, my one minor nitpick is this: I'm not sure the alien world that David destroyed was the actual engineer homeworld. Seems to me that this was another Engineer-seeded planet as the humanoids don't look exactly like Engineers, plus their civilization and technology came across as rather under developed. I took that scene as David embarking on a "scorched earth" attack on their "legacies", he's attacking any and all Engineer-seeded planets while on the way to their homeworld. Just my opinion.
It was stated in a leaked screenplay that David "arrives on a engineer homeworld" or something in the lines of that. Though you are right, for a race that was developed to the point of inhabiting other worlds in different solar systems, the bunch we see in the movie look like they are at medievil stages or around that. But that's thanks to Covenant being an inconsistent mess of a movie as a whole.
My guess is that the space faring guys were the Buzz Aldrins of the race. They were the elite and probably genetically enhanced or were picked from the best stock. Which is why they looked perfected, while the ones that David unleashed on were kind of grimy and under-developed
@@bmwofboganville456 some of us are happy with surface-level-research views on the topic, though. Not all of us have the time nor the will to sit through 17 hours of canonical intricacies. 43min 13 sec, with a side-serving of comedy, is just right for me
The fact that after finding David he changes his appearance into Walter and no one questions it makes me mad to this day. Both Prometheus and Covenant do the movie sin of "The only way anything works is for everyone to be legit f**king stupid."
Great video, but I find it pretty funny that you think that the book where Ellen Ripley is for some reason awoken from hypersleep to go fight some xenos on some mining planet before being put back into stasis with a wiped memory is more relevant to the story than Alien Isolation, where the Alien lore actually does get expanded quite a bit (Seegson as a competitor to Weyland-Yutani and their respective android production capabilities, WY sacrificing yet another human population to get a sample of its favorite bioweapon, Amanda Ripley being a badass like her mom, etc.). I'd say Alien Isolation is the best piece of Alien storytelling after, well, Alien
A little easter egg that indicates a long future of the alien universe is Firefly. Ex: In the pilot episode Mal (Nathan Fillion) activates an AA-gun, the aiming display that comes online has a clearly visible Weyland Yutani logo at It's top. I know its probably not canon, but still a fun tidbit. 😊
This can be taken even further. Johner calls earth a shithole in Alien resurrection. Earth experienced a big exodus in 2300-2500 ish in the Firefly universe due to pollution, wars and lack of resources. And if you look at the armour of the Alliance soldiers of Firefly, it's eerily similar to that of colonial Marines.
23:56 the “spooky Tuscany” is in fact a visual hommage to a painting by HR Giger “Hommage a Böcklin”. Which in turn is a hommage to a painting from Arnold Böcklin “Isle of the Dead”. He painted multiple versions of this and one of them was owned by Adolf Hitler, hung in his office.
This is amazing. As a hardcore xenomorph fanboy that would be the first to die because I think they are so cool, I fully appreciate this video. Thank you for not hating on the Prometheus bits. I was born in 78 with original Alien, and really loved the David as surrogate father tapping into something already there lore. Also thank you for tapping into the Blade Runner connection (though should have mentioned Kurt Russel's Soldier lives in the Blade Runner/Alien multiverse too)
If you were a real fan - or a reasonable person - you wouldn't call the creature from Alien, created by HR Giger for the purpose of his completely unrelated non-commercial artistic expression - a "xenomorph". It isn't a proper name. It's a placeholder phrase for "we don't know". STOP THE MADNESS
@@TheSingularitarian Since you are not the formal authority on fandom, I will continue to call myself a fan and as an addendum, can not give two ishts what wanna-be gatekeepers like you think. Bye Felicia. Good luck.
In the “out of the shadows “audiobook, Rutger Hauer plays the company computer. Which I love completely because of the character he played in Blade Runner.
the Alien³ assembly cut is quite underrated. The mood and setting are really great! What David Fincher and various screenwriters went through feels similar to the development hell that messed up the first big attempts at a Dune adaptation
This just came up for me and I can't remember having seen you channel before. I love these kinds of timeline and retrospective videos. Even though I like them, they can occasionally get longwinded and tiring but this was compact, well put together with a splash of humour. Great vid.
For me this cinematic timeline starts with Alien and ends at Aliens. And as for the revelation of Ripley's daughter not been relevant, I strongly disagree. If anything, it makes Ripley bonding with Newt much stronger and gives it more poignancy.
it's also connected to Star Wars. The LAPD spinner appears at least twice in The Phantom Menace. The Millennium Falcon forms part of the "future" LA skyline. (tenuous) Replicants, or clones, if you will, were the organic fighting force for the Republic in The Clone Wars. Actually, yes, BR was one of the main driving inspirations for the prequel trilogy. Fight me.
I saw _Alien_ the weekend it came out and it was a bigger deal than Star Wars in many ways since it was like _Jaws_ but with an even scarier beast. We were exhausted and exhilarated after, especially from scenes like when Brett (Harry Dean Stanton) is in the evaporation chamber looking for the cat and the camera zooms in on his face as he closes his eyes and lets the rain hit his face. We were clenched, waiting for that jump scene for sooo long while the film took its sweet time. Theatrical release better than Director's Cut there.
Kudos for going on theme in both costume and set. Am I the only one who caught this?? The jacket looks like standard issue Weyland Yutani offworld exploration outerwear, and I love that one black phallic trunking in the background. 😂😂😂
The fact that AVP is non-canonical used to be irrelevant before the release of Alien Covenant, because it could still be included without disrupting the canonical timeline. It somewhat became like a missing jigsaw piece. If Karl Bishop Weyland saw the aliens that early on, it would explain his and his company's unhealthy fascination with the xenomorphs. It would also explain why there are two versions of the xenomorph. The eggs found on LV-426 would then be a batch The Predators probably stole after also probably gunning down that Engineer ship on LV-426. And then they probably brought those eggs to (among other planets) Earth. The xenos that David created would then likely be based on the description from Weyland's previous encounter with the lifeform, preserved in their old data files. That's a canon that would make sense to me. But since it's not, we'll just have to settle for a confusing canon that's all over the place. But I love you for including the AVP-franchise in this video. :)
This video has been sitting in my “Watch Later” list since it dropped, but I finally got around to watching to today and it is awesome! As a big fan of the franchise it was like a big trip down memory lane with these films. Great work! And for anyone that hasn’t seen the 40th Anniversary shorts, they are well worth the watch and you should definitely check them out.
Just an FYI the Kurt Russel movie Soldier released in 1998 has a number of ties to Bladerunner, which would then mean that it too is connected to and part of the Alien Franchise universe.
I can't believe I'm just finding your channel - what a great tone to listen to, and the vocabulary? Chef's kiss choice. "Face down in Danger Eggs." Hilarious.
Being the about-faced kinda guy I am (aged 52) I tend to need to write things IF, and definitely when I remember them so apologies Mr Nerdist if you mention this at some point. An oft unmentioned and for-sure hushed-up influence on Alien was the short story by Clark Ashton Smith - 'The vaults of Yoh-Vombis'. Set on Mars, an expedition to an ancient city mysteriously vacated over 40,000 years ago by "an unknown pestilence or agency" results in a chance discovery of an underground system of tombs. Finally, a pictogram that has survived the ages depicts a earlier species of Martian that, although apparently normal in form "seems to be in the process of donning or removing some sort of face covering". If you don't read much, here is the story in audiobook form. Remember that this was written and published in 1932... and then ask yourself why it never gets mentioned or at least acknowledged by the Alien movies as a whole. ua-cam.com/video/VZgiDWMy12k/v-deo.html
Despite him having red blood, Lance Henriksen has said that he believes that his character in Alien 3 was actually another synthetic. I've actually heard him say this at conventions.
Well...during the end of the Alien 3 film his character gets half his head and his ear ripped off and he doesn't flinch the way you and I would, I'd always thought he was nothing but a synthetic.
@@Robert-PetersonI believe that was also used as an explanation for the later synths that eventually lead to ones like Call who are all but indistinguishable in everything there.
Thank you for this! As someone who bought and treasures the Original Alien Quadrillage (just unfold all the cardboard parts out onto your living room floor...it never gets old!). Thank you for all the research you did and the comedic way of telling it. Heck, I even forgot Walmart bought everything in the end... I really should get around to watching that "other" movie with the David android in it. Oh and I wished you would have touched upon the sighting of the Military ship in Bladerunner 2049 that some say linked the 2 Universes further.
Hey, that was actually a real effort to made such video. Great for me as a fan, I really enjoy that - thank you and all the best in your next materials.
I for one am over-the-moon for a year that gave us all those things _AND_ any tapeworm that can survive the harsh gut biome of a Sarlacc! 😆 That's a far more fierce n' burly realm than oceanic hydrothermal vents, or even afternoon strolls on Venus! Cheers.
Thank you for this awesome timeline! As big of an Aliens fan that I am, there were parts in Prometheus and Covenant that completely confused the shit out of me. This helped for sure! Btw, nice Gary Shandling mug! lol
what about Outland with Sean Connery and Soldier with Kurt Russel? first on looks exactly like alien pretty sure it had a lot of the crew make the sets for it and it shows, as for Soldier its kinda like an unofficial Blade Runner spin off
Amazing rundown of the timeline mate, I can imagine the research that went into it. YES! The amount of bonehead decisions made in Prometheus by the crew was some Idiocracy levels of clueless.
I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. Especially a venture funded by a private company. There have been similar levels of incompetency in real life situations resulting in real life consequences
@@benbowland That's human nature. All ancient societies depicted their Gods as humans. Modern humans still do, only they're in Total Denial of it. There is no such person or collection of people that can be called 'Government.' A politician nor any collection of them, judges, lawyers etc. are 'Government' for working in buildings designated as governmental than a janitor sweeping the floors in such a building is. Yet _everyone_ I've ever met gets viscerally upset with me for pointing out such an Obvious Truth. The need to believe that 1) a Great Force Looking Out For Us exists coupled with 2) a seriously unimaginative need to hang this belief onto the what seems like the Strongest Protector one thinks one can see is literally The Entire Reason people think of 'Government' as a Living Entity that auto-self-corrects & that could never mistakenly hand-choose corrupt politicians to work within its midst so why bother discussing that politicians are corrupt? This is so powerful that one was elected president _AFTER_ we witnessed him molest under-aged girls live at a White House press event. While I understand the knee-jerk reaction against exposing this, knee-jerk reactions fade. Children as young as 8 can stop believing in Santa without immense psychological trauma. But to live in a world of adults that can't dissociate politicians from the concept of 'Government' is truly terrifying. Join a union. Hail Hydrah. They're both things that once we conceive of them, we start thinking have become a Living Protector.
@@benbowland Sounds like something someone high would say. Anyhow, maybe it is, but it's also Very Practical. politicians are not elevated beings. They're employees. We give them way too much power.
Saw your Alien comments and questions. And replied to some:
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Great video, thank you. I made my wife watch every single Alien and Predator movie last month. One each night including the AVP's. One other thing, I didn't realise that Frodo and Harry Potter had a kid, how are your parents 😜🤭
I just laugh my ass off at 20:50
@@MrBru1985 I did at the time and have now again 😆 Yeah, bloody idiots for sure 🤪
I love the leftist undertones in this video. "join a union" godd*mn right
You really need to read the ACMTM. A:CM game ties into it perfectly. Shinyo Maru + Legato: blue in blue. Bishop 341-B in Aliens was nefarious after all. Search google
The easiest way to resolve Covenant with the rest of the franchise is to assume that David did not create the xenomorphs but that the Engineers already created them long before and David just reverse-engineered them with his research on the Engineer-planet
Romulus seems to confirm this
@@unclekarl5219that’s how I look at it, at least until they say otherwise in the next movie. That or David is responsible for an ancestor of the eventual xenomorph we know and love sort of like how the deacon is definitely a member of the species albeit a very early version of
David couldn't have created them. They are shown on one of the statue mural things in Prometheus
@@CptPatrik wasn’t that a deacon though ? unless I’m misremembering, it’s been a while since I’ve watched Prometheus
Facts. He lured the humans onto the planet in order to create the perfect xenomorph. He wanted to make life but couldn’t without the human body
I always think of Ripleys perspective. From the first meeting with a xenomorph, to her death, her whole life is consumed by xenomorphs. The only reprieve is her hyper sleep, but every time she wakes, she’s back in at the deep end every time, loved ones dead and fighting once again.
Jones the Cat: still the smartest character in the entire Alien universes
Jonesy was mostly the smartest character. Mostly.
When a cat is the GOAT lol
@@drphot6050 There is even a pretty good book on screenplay called “save the cat” which has a very jonesy looking cat on the cover. Idea being you need tricks like that to draw people in and make them care about the characters. A person saving a cat, or owning a dog is apparently that well thought of. Never mind saving no human beings.
Isn’t that always the rule. Look at quiet place day 1. The cat could care less about pizza
@@ChrisM-yq2pqI can here to say that to lol
The scene where the hybrid gets sucked out through the window literally scarred me mentally for a while. As it was screaming you could hear it say "help me". That scene haunted me for quite a while afterward, I remember going to school the next day and it was all I could think about, lol. Just a truly horrific scene.
same, l watched that shit as a kid and it fucked me up, same with an american werewolf in london, l watched them again last week as an adult just to get the trauma out of me lol
Don't watch Blood Tomahawk then.....some scenes could stay with you for ever
That scene has also burned itself into my memories for ever. xD
Idk. There is a lot of stuff wrong about the fourth movie I think, but they nailed the body-horror and gore.
My overwhelming emotion was pity for the thing- a monster. I guess that was intentional?
Same here my therapist suggested I stop watching anything except G rated Disney movies
Ripley finding out her daughter Amanda is dead "doesn't add anything"? Are you serious? It adds everything to the central relationship in the movie, that of Ripley and Newt!
It's added EVERYTHING to the thematic elements. But it doesn't add anything of significance to the timeline
Right I Agree as it is through the Death of a Daughter for one of them and the Death of Both Parents for the is how Both Newt and Ridley was able to connect in such a personal manner. Which is why they see each other as Surrogate Parent and Surrogate Child for one another.
@@windsonma8209 Newt even calls Ripley 'mommy'.
@@Doubleohstevo Agreed I not noticed that in the Film but when the UA-cam Channel ''The Deep Dive' did their Aliens Film Analyses this Past October they meantion exctally that. But Thank You for Reminding me anyways. (In the Non Sarcastic Way of course)
Timeline..its adds nothing to the timeline
that first engineer was SHREDDED
He engeneered a fucking pump for sure
I'm pretty sure those arnt engineers
@PurpleKardia I mean sure they don't have spanners or blueprints but that's what they referenced them to in the Prometheus film 🤣
@@Taylor1err yeah but it's a miss interpretation the engineers are actually a different species
@@PurpleKardia wait wdym
There is the theory that cyberdine used Dutch as the model for the T800 because of how good he was at defeating the Predator
shit, I really like that theory!
That would be a perfect use of the multiverse it all lives in. You should submit that.
@@Trick-Framed ua-cam.com/video/AskjFwiDbkg/v-deo.htmlsi=YKMGvN6lmcJNgy83
_Cyberdyne_ Systems human envoy from future noting appreciation for your theory and the canonical lore addition. 😉
Add the word “subsidiary” and you have a fully functioning theory.
I think the Alien franchise has really lucked out, in, their monster is SO cool, that the series can be a mess of retcons and changing directors, but it will always have a spark of appeal because the Xenomorph is just that cool. You're braver than I for trying to untangle this mess of Christmas Lights.
It’s called the rule of cool.
Alien and Aliens are the only good movies. the rest is trash.
For me it’s absolutely terrifying that out of morbid curiosity I continue to find stuff about xenomorphs
@@edhdeckbuilding Romulus was good.
@@edhdeckbuildingRomulus is easily the best Alien movie since the second film! Highly recommend!
I love the idea of a shared universe between Aliens and Bladerunner
Yeah, I'm going to call that historical fact. Don't care about the issues with the Bladerunner sequel, or the earliness in the timeline of the original Bladerunner. The connection is just too perfect. Both examples of attempts to profit from the control of nature, by way of the most depraved and exploitative business practices imaginable.
I think a real crossover with Bladerunner would be a great movie. Better than AvP anyway.
Yeah Ridley Scott actually said they were in the same universe so IT'S OFFICIAL! 😉
There's a moment in the mist recently blade runner where you can see a ship similar to the silacco docked at port.
Wow great ridley scott is a genius (scarcastic cough)@FantasticExplorers
Weyland-Yutani: "Crew Expendable"
Walmart: Our business plans are so similar, we'd like to make an offer...
Weyland-Yutani: Crew Expendable
The Expendables: YAAAAY! 💥👊💣🧨🪓🔫💪💥
How are they in any way alike?
@@ricco3 Walmart calls its regular staff 'crew'. Walmart often does not pay the 'crew' a living wage, forcing many of them to turn to [billions total in] public assistance. Key word, "living" wage, i.e. not enough to live on. Expendable.
You’re thinking Amazon or Temu
@@ricco3 Walmart was found decades ago (before being legally forced to provide health insurance) to have done research and then deny health insurance to all the sick and at risk elderly in their employ, and then took out life insurance policies on all of them. Their own employees. When near death, deny health insurance to hurry their death along while taking life insurance policies on them. The law that allowed this was made specifically for companies to cover themselves when a critical CEO died. They used it on your grandma, then worked her to death on purpose and fought her getting to see a doctor. They made a profit working people in their last years of life to death and making 6 figures of profit for each one that died.
Who’s here in 2024 for Romulus
I like your coffee on the couch narration style, dad jokes, and old school scene intro effects.
Aliens is my favorite movie of all time. My older brother introduced it to me when I was too young. I cannot hear the motion tracker beeps without getting anxious.
Hudson is literally an all-timer.
Hudson is great. Aliens is a wonderful action flick. But Alien is the greatest sci-fi thriller of all time. The Thing would be it, but it's got too much horror elements to be just a thriller, it's on a category all of itself.
My parents introduced me to Alien when I was around 4-5y/o and its my all time favorite and I love the entire series. Yes even the ones everyone else hate. 😂
@@alexandresobreiramartins9461Alien and The Thing are probably the greatest suspense horror movies of all time, they don't make them like that anymore.
@@blaah9999yeah I was introduced to Alien and Aliens around that age, mostly because my sister is named after Ripley. Not gonna lie I'm super jealous of my sisters name 😂 she isn't even a scifi fan!
"You wanna put her in charge?" 🤣 My favorite line of his🤣
Predators actually has more references to the Alien franchise. In the Predator hunting camp you can see another Xenomorph skull hanging from a pole and the main bad Predator is canonically wearing the lower jaw of one around its helmet, so the movie is meant to take place within the AVP timeline.
The multiple cuts of Alien 3 answer so many questions for me. I could have sworn that ripley grabs the alien as it bursts out of her chest at the end of alien 3. But then when I saw the film, that scene was missing. For years, I just figured it was the mandela effect... until watching your video.
I just don't understand why, for just one given movie, there has to be: director's cut, editor's cut, my grandmother's cut...and then, depending in what country of this globe you live in - you get to see a censored version depending on who knows what opinion on what has to be censored or adapted.
@@BabaNovac792 Regimes control the cognition of the worker bees, their means-of-production. The countries with largest populations (thus consumer markets) on Earth (India, China, et al) regularly censor content made inside and outside their borders. India's censor board (CBFC) scrubbing political views from films is no different than the U.S.'s MPAA doing it. The different editions/cuts are simple resource accumulation ($). 😉 Happy watchin'.
Yeah...I saw her clutch the thing as it erupted from her chest maybe to ensure that it didn't escape the fire.
@@BabaNovac792I would love to see your grandmothers cut of this movie 🤣
I remember her grabbing it as it ruptured out of her chest
"Bought out by Walmart" is the best line in the entire franchise.
Taken over by Walmart is nearly as good as Taco Bell surviving the franchise wars in Demolition Man. XD
Ah, Demolition Man! Classic.
"Simon Phoenix, lie down on the ground, or else".
"You're gonna regret this for the rest of your life...both seconds of it".
If we're gonna get technical, His dad was a builder, which in those days was sorta like an engineer. But calling Jesus a carpenter is like calling Paris Hilton a hotel owner; it's not her primary occupation.
Alien Resurrection was an utter blight on the series as was Alien Covenant, the latter having smarmy, shitty made-for-tv writing for sub 90 IQ people who think the idea of David creating the xenomorph was a "smart" idea.
Disgusting.
Joseph (not his real name) was a carpenter.
Joseph also wasn't Jesus' father.
And you say this, working on the basis that Jesus actually existed, which there's no evidence of.
They not just survived. They won. Now all restaurants are Taco Bell
In the original script of prometheus, the engineer tells david that they took a child from their mother on earth and brought them back to their home to teach them how to lead their world on the right path, but humans punished him instead. It lines up with the timeline of the engineer being in stasis for about 2000 years before they woke him up.
Great video, my one minor nitpick is this: I'm not sure the alien world that David destroyed was the actual engineer homeworld. Seems to me that this was another Engineer-seeded planet as the humanoids don't look exactly like Engineers, plus their civilization and technology came across as rather under developed. I took that scene as David embarking on a "scorched earth" attack on their "legacies", he's attacking any and all Engineer-seeded planets while on the way to their homeworld. Just my opinion.
It was stated in a leaked screenplay that David "arrives on a engineer homeworld" or something in the lines of that. Though you are right, for a race that was developed to the point of inhabiting other worlds in different solar systems, the bunch we see in the movie look like they are at medievil stages or around that. But that's thanks to Covenant being an inconsistent mess of a movie as a whole.
My guess is that the space faring guys were the Buzz Aldrins of the race. They were the elite and probably genetically enhanced or were picked from the best stock. Which is why they looked perfected, while the ones that David unleashed on were kind of grimy and under-developed
Ripley is one of the best written female protagonist
I completely agree. She’s amazing
Amanda Ripley?
Ripley is one of the best written protagonist ever.
Fr she’s just a badass women not a toxic feminist thank God
@@Christ-my-king You’re cringe
Dude the writing and delivery of this timeline summary is top-notch. Entertaining and hilarious. Well done
Its really not tho, there are so many side tangents and forced jokes it throws off the story telling of the time line.
@@suporjustin I disagree.
No it's not, he's proud of doing surface-level research.
@@bmwofboganville456 well you're wrong. And nobody gives a shit about your opinion
@@bmwofboganville456 some of us are happy with surface-level-research views on the topic, though. Not all of us have the time nor the will to sit through 17 hours of canonical intricacies. 43min 13 sec, with a side-serving of comedy, is just right for me
The fact that after finding David he changes his appearance into Walter and no one questions it makes me mad to this day.
Both Prometheus and Covenant do the movie sin of "The only way anything works is for everyone to be legit f**king stupid."
Fact he was acting weird
Many ppl are oblivious to the obvious!
You need only look at humans briefly to understand that stupidity is our default setting.
Thank you for translating the Predator, I always wondered what he was saying.
Always just assumed that the engineer that drank the seeds at the beginning of Promethius was the implication for life on Earth.
Thats what i thought
“ wetland yutani is bought out by wal mart “
I love that text on the timeline spreadsheet just sitting there lol
Walmart is Weyland ........ 🤯
Great video, but I find it pretty funny that you think that the book where Ellen Ripley is for some reason awoken from hypersleep to go fight some xenos on some mining planet before being put back into stasis with a wiped memory is more relevant to the story than Alien Isolation, where the Alien lore actually does get expanded quite a bit (Seegson as a competitor to Weyland-Yutani and their respective android production capabilities, WY sacrificing yet another human population to get a sample of its favorite bioweapon, Amanda Ripley being a badass like her mom, etc.). I'd say Alien Isolation is the best piece of Alien storytelling after, well, Alien
Yeah I was disappointed at the lack of alien isolation mentioned here, I'm fairly sure it's official canon too
A little easter egg that indicates a long future of the alien universe is Firefly. Ex: In the pilot episode Mal (Nathan Fillion) activates an AA-gun, the aiming display that comes online has a clearly visible Weyland Yutani logo at It's top. I know its probably not canon, but still a fun tidbit. 😊
Such a great show. To bad we will never see it come back..
This can be taken even further. Johner calls earth a shithole in Alien resurrection. Earth experienced a big exodus in 2300-2500 ish in the Firefly universe due to pollution, wars and lack of resources. And if you look at the armour of the Alliance soldiers of Firefly, it's eerily similar to that of colonial Marines.
@@timbackman5915 I thought they used Starship Trooper armor.
@@murdock8068 Too bad....
@@timbackman5915 the reason for the exodus is explained in Earth Hive by Steve Perry. See my other comment for spoiler.
Yes, autoplay brought me here. Glad I stuck around. What a ride.
Wow, that's a lot of info packed into 43 minutes. I love all these franchisees mentioned and did not know about all these connections. Great job.
The pistol wasn't a retcon, it only implies that the predators somehow got it back through another hunt
23:56 the “spooky Tuscany” is in fact a visual hommage to a painting by HR Giger “Hommage a Böcklin”. Which in turn is a hommage to a painting from Arnold Böcklin “Isle of the Dead”. He painted multiple versions of this and one of them was owned by Adolf Hitler, hung in his office.
You should make a UA-cam channel and company called "the nerdist" because this one is trash and really should have covered that.
36:09 is probably the best behind the scenes b roll I have seen 😂
The difference between Brian David Gilbert and everyone else: he actually reads all the novels for his research.
Incredible comment. I laughed. You could say it... Unraveled my composure!
... but don't, because that's terrible. XD
there are novels?
This video was sponsored by the Weyland Yutani Corp...
Alien cubed lmao
Lions. Zebra. Oh, my
That earl reference was unexpected.
First time ive been genuinely surprised about the connection.
You sir just earned tourself a sub
This is amazing. As a hardcore xenomorph fanboy that would be the first to die because I think they are so cool, I fully appreciate this video. Thank you for not hating on the Prometheus bits. I was born in 78 with original Alien, and really loved the David as surrogate father tapping into something already there lore. Also thank you for tapping into the Blade Runner connection (though should have mentioned Kurt Russel's Soldier lives in the Blade Runner/Alien multiverse too)
If you were a real fan - or a reasonable person - you wouldn't call the creature from Alien, created by HR Giger for the purpose of his completely unrelated non-commercial artistic expression - a "xenomorph".
It isn't a proper name. It's a placeholder phrase for "we don't know".
STOP THE MADNESS
@@TheSingularitarian Since you are not the formal authority on fandom, I will continue to call myself a fan and as an addendum, can not give two ishts what wanna-be gatekeepers like you think. Bye Felicia. Good luck.
In the “out of the shadows “audiobook, Rutger Hauer plays the company computer. Which I love completely because of the character he played in Blade Runner.
Fun side fact: the aliens are silicone based and not carbon based. That came out of the colonial marines table top role playing game.
That was in the old tech manual as well...and in the comics (including the ones with the toys)
I believe Ash mentions that in the first movie while examining the facehugger, no?
@@radrno7yes he did, in that scene where Ripley interrogated him on safety protocols.
“Silicon” not “silicone”
Two very different things.
@@AzraelThanatospretty certain it’s in the original Alien movie novelisation
the Alien³ assembly cut is quite underrated. The mood and setting are really great! What David Fincher and various screenwriters went through feels similar to the development hell that messed up the first big attempts at a Dune adaptation
This just came up for me and I can't remember having seen you channel before. I love these kinds of timeline and retrospective videos. Even though I like them, they can occasionally get longwinded and tiring but this was compact, well put together with a splash of humour. Great vid.
For me this cinematic timeline starts with Alien and ends at Aliens.
And as for the revelation of Ripley's daughter not been relevant, I strongly disagree. If anything, it makes Ripley bonding with Newt much stronger and gives it more poignancy.
My daughter is named Rebecca (Newt) because the first movie my wife and I watched together as a couple was Aliens on Video.
Adorable.
Kids … they mostly sleep all night. Mostly
Dude!!! Super well done, enjoyed it start to finish.
Blade runner is my favorite movie of all time and I had NO idea they were dotted line connected. That’s awesome!
it's also connected to Star Wars.
The LAPD spinner appears at least twice in The Phantom Menace.
The Millennium Falcon forms part of the "future" LA skyline.
(tenuous) Replicants, or clones, if you will, were the organic fighting force for the Republic in The Clone Wars. Actually, yes, BR was one of the main driving inspirations for the prequel trilogy. Fight me.
It's dumb tho and it's Scott trying to keep the alien franchise for himself.
Amazeballs. Awesome summary of events/trivia
I saw _Alien_ the weekend it came out and it was a bigger deal than Star Wars in many ways since it was like _Jaws_ but with an even scarier beast. We were exhausted and exhilarated after, especially from scenes like when Brett (Harry Dean Stanton) is in the evaporation chamber looking for the cat and the camera zooms in on his face as he closes his eyes and lets the rain hit his face. We were clenched, waiting for that jump scene for sooo long while the film took its sweet time. Theatrical release better than Director's Cut there.
O M G
This was so good man, thanks a lot.
I never knew there was so much to it, and the format you delivered it in was awesome, good production :)
"Alien cubed" and "Dunce Olympics" (and probably more, I'm still watching)- thank you.🙂
Kudos for going on theme in both costume and set. Am I the only one who caught this?? The jacket looks like standard issue Weyland Yutani offworld exploration outerwear, and I love that one black phallic trunking in the background. 😂😂😂
The fact that AVP is non-canonical used to be irrelevant before the release of Alien Covenant, because it could still be included without disrupting the canonical timeline. It somewhat became like a missing jigsaw piece. If Karl Bishop Weyland saw the aliens that early on, it would explain his and his company's unhealthy fascination with the xenomorphs. It would also explain why there are two versions of the xenomorph. The eggs found on LV-426 would then be a batch The Predators probably stole after also probably gunning down that Engineer ship on LV-426. And then they probably brought those eggs to (among other planets) Earth. The xenos that David created would then likely be based on the description from Weyland's previous encounter with the lifeform, preserved in their old data files.
That's a canon that would make sense to me. But since it's not, we'll just have to settle for a confusing canon that's all over the place.
But I love you for including the AVP-franchise in this video. :)
This video has been sitting in my “Watch Later” list since it dropped, but I finally got around to watching to today and it is awesome! As a big fan of the franchise it was like a big trip down memory lane with these films. Great work! And for anyone that hasn’t seen the 40th Anniversary shorts, they are well worth the watch and you should definitely check them out.
Just an FYI the Kurt Russel movie Soldier released in 1998 has a number of ties to Bladerunner, which would then mean that it too is connected to and part of the Alien Franchise universe.
Love that film!
The Weird Al is on the plane joke had me 😂
I can't believe I'm just finding your channel - what a great tone to listen to, and the vocabulary? Chef's kiss choice. "Face down in Danger Eggs." Hilarious.
Danger eggs is so right.
"Being in the military's a bit like being on the Farm. Every meal a BANQUET. Every paycheck a FORTUNE. Every Formation a PARADE. I LOVE the Corps!"
Being the about-faced kinda guy I am (aged 52) I tend to need to write things IF, and definitely when I remember them so apologies Mr Nerdist if you mention this at some point.
An oft unmentioned and for-sure hushed-up influence on Alien was the short story by Clark Ashton Smith - 'The vaults of Yoh-Vombis'. Set on Mars, an expedition to an ancient city mysteriously vacated over 40,000 years ago by "an unknown pestilence or agency" results in a chance discovery of an underground system of tombs. Finally, a pictogram that has survived the ages depicts a earlier species of Martian that, although apparently normal in form "seems to be in the process of donning or removing some sort of face covering".
If you don't read much, here is the story in audiobook form. Remember that this was written and published in 1932... and then ask yourself why it never gets mentioned or at least acknowledged by the Alien movies as a whole.
ua-cam.com/video/VZgiDWMy12k/v-deo.html
“Charlie Hallaway who’s not Tom Hardy” dude I had those people confused for many years hahaha
That Bill and Ted clip was perfect, for the Aliens movie.
Fantastic video thoroughly enjoyed it throughout great work
Great video. Killer time line explanation/breakdown!
I love that Weyland actually seems disgusted by Tyrell's replicant business.
Excellent job to the whole team behind Alien Cinematic Timeline!
1:58 god has blessed us with the way this man says alien
Despite him having red blood, Lance Henriksen has said that he believes that his character in Alien 3 was actually another synthetic. I've actually heard him say this at conventions.
Well...during the end of the Alien 3 film his character gets half his head and his ear ripped off and he doesn't flinch the way you and I would, I'd always thought he was nothing but a synthetic.
Probably some kind of consciousness or memory transfer!
@@Robert-PetersonI believe that was also used as an explanation for the later synths that eventually lead to ones like Call who are all but indistinguishable in everything there.
I actually would like to see David get a conclusion. He carried the movie and deserves it lol
You earned a subscriber through this video. Very funny video; great writing!
The editing was so funny XD Loved it!
Alien in 2024?…. LETS GO!!
This is incredibly well edited, and I fucking loved the horoscope joke.
Those edits were hilarious lol😂. Very good vid Nerdist
“that same year, after 2 years in hypersleep” sums up that fuck up pretty well
Bro youre holding the living fuck outta that cup! Give your hand a break 😂
Really loved this thorough breakdown! Thank you! I've found all of the new installments to be very confusing and this does clarify things for me. 🙏
It was mentioned in the Prometheus movie that the beginning of the movie was how Earth was seeded.
Man, this was so much fun to watch! Had some great laughs in addition to good info. Thanks!
It's nice that you called him Charles S. Dutton, but he will forever be The Roc.
Just Roc.
“The COMPLETE…” spends the first 5 min telling us he didn’t consume, or reference 75% of the IP LOL. 😂😂
I came for Aliens... stayed for the mug 😁
Who is on the mug. I can't place the name to the face
Thorough research, lightly presented, very, very enjoyable 😃
Thank you for this! As someone who bought and treasures the Original Alien Quadrillage (just unfold all the cardboard parts out onto your living room floor...it never gets old!). Thank you for all the research you did and the comedic way of telling it. Heck, I even forgot Walmart bought everything in the end... I really should get around to watching that "other" movie with the David android in it. Oh and I wished you would have touched upon the sighting of the Military ship in Bladerunner 2049 that some say linked the 2 Universes further.
Hey, that was actually a real effort to made such video. Great for me as a fan, I really enjoy that - thank you and all the best in your next materials.
1979 was a VERY good year! It gave the world McDonald's happy meals, the Sony Walkman, Aliens, and ME! 😂👍
I for one am over-the-moon for a year that gave us all those things _AND_ any tapeworm that can survive the harsh gut biome of a Sarlacc! 😆 That's a far more fierce n' burly realm than oceanic hydrothermal vents, or even afternoon strolls on Venus! Cheers.
@@friedmandesigns Cheers bro! 🍻🤣👍🏻
Cheers for your existence, thanks for stopping by earth!
1979 world series pirates and their cool uniforms pillbox caps stargell stars and underhand pitcher kent tekulve I was 14 in ¹979
"who's not Tom Hardy" made me feel very validated.
Good information, what a lot of hard work.
I love this timeline and retrospective of the Alien universe. You got through a lot, in less than an hour, impressive.
Thank you for this awesome timeline! As big of an Aliens fan that I am, there were parts in Prometheus and Covenant that completely confused the shit out of me. This helped for sure!
Btw, nice Gary Shandling mug! lol
This is an AWESOME video! I’m a new subscriber to your channel! Thank you!
I will always wish that Neill Blomkamp movie had gotten made.
Blame Scott for that.
Loved this video!
I was hoping someone would do this.
This was great:) enjoyed the puns and dark humor throughout lol. Subbed
what about Outland with Sean Connery and Soldier with Kurt Russel? first on looks exactly like alien pretty sure it had a lot of the crew make the sets for it and it shows, as for Soldier its kinda like an unofficial Blade Runner spin off
"not an engineer, a carpenter"... Subscribed
I know , right? just commented on that myself!
@@l.scales7516 I think I saw your post after I did mine. Yours was better constructed 😁
Amazing rundown of the timeline mate, I can imagine the research that went into it.
YES! The amount of bonehead decisions made in Prometheus by the crew was some Idiocracy levels of clueless.
Boneheaded decisions, but only slightly exaggerates the lack of common sense I've observed in people with similar academic backgrounds
I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. Especially a venture funded by a private company. There have been similar levels of incompetency in real life situations resulting in real life consequences
@@benbowland That's human nature. All ancient societies depicted their Gods as humans. Modern humans still do, only they're in Total Denial of it.
There is no such person or collection of people that can be called 'Government.' A politician nor any collection of them, judges, lawyers etc. are 'Government' for working in buildings designated as governmental than a janitor sweeping the floors in such a building is.
Yet _everyone_ I've ever met gets viscerally upset with me for pointing out such an Obvious Truth. The need to believe that 1) a Great Force Looking Out For Us exists coupled with 2) a seriously unimaginative need to hang this belief onto the what seems like the Strongest Protector one thinks one can see is literally The Entire Reason people think of 'Government' as a Living Entity that auto-self-corrects & that could never mistakenly hand-choose corrupt politicians to work within its midst so why bother discussing that politicians are corrupt?
This is so powerful that one was elected president _AFTER_ we witnessed him molest under-aged girls live at a White House press event.
While I understand the knee-jerk reaction against exposing this, knee-jerk reactions fade. Children as young as 8 can stop believing in Santa without immense psychological trauma. But to live in a world of adults that can't dissociate politicians from the concept of 'Government' is truly terrifying. Join a union.
Hail Hydrah. They're both things that once we conceive of them, we start thinking have become a Living Protector.
@@choosecarefully408 that’s like so deep bro
@@benbowland Sounds like something someone high would say. Anyhow, maybe it is, but it's also Very Practical. politicians are not elevated beings. They're employees.
We give them way too much power.
Brilliantly done!! I am a major alien fan but I had no idea it went this deep.
1:45 i purposfully clicked on this video
Thank you guys for this. Very enjoyable. Game over, man!
3:47 it starts here (if you don't want the bla bla)