What Is The Best Tube Line? (World Cup Review 2020)
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- In October/November of 2020 I ran the 'World Cup of Tube Lines' knockout poll on my Twitter for the fourth year in a row, it's always just done for fun except this year I realised that I'd collected a lot of data which could be used to analyse, and perhaps come up with the ultimate ranking to determine what IS the favourite line on the Tube Map!
Huge thanks to Matt Parker, you can follow and subscribe to him on UA-cam here: / standupmaths
Also many thanks to hellgunneR, and of course Kishan and David for their work on the website that they made!
"The line graphs were a major collaborative exercise", they told me, "we first made a simple server that tracked the results which needed the poll links to manually entered, then we hooked into the API and Geoff's twitter feed and started tracing them automatically. It was a great two weeks and we look forward to next year!"
You can still find the brilliant website that they built here: gum-joe.github...
Nerds rule! :-D
Petition to replace Jeremy Vine and his swingometer with Matt and his Christmas tree for all election coverage
really made me laugh
I absolutely love the cereal brands. And the "A natural source of B1:B12" on Matt's box is fantastic!
The cleverest thing is getting the lights to do that thing. The way he crunches the numbers is great but the circuitry - now THAT'S a good trick!
Pop over to his StandUpMaths channel. He's got a whole video about programming those Christmas lights.
One thing I especially liked is that he draped the lights any old how around the tree, then did some trickery to calculate _where each light was_ in 3 dimensions.
@@rosiefay7283 he didn't, he had someone do it with him, he did the basics and outlined his initial target. It's no different to how a lot of 3D modeling is done.
I love Matt's LED Christmas tree. That's the best thing ever!
“My tree just updated“...most Matt Parker thing to say ever...😂
My reasons for picking each line:
Jubilee - Very useful for getting to Wembley
Victoria - Speeeeeeed
DLR - Front Seat Nostalgia + I volunteer at a kayaking centre in South Quay
Northern - Quickest way to Euston for me.
Overground - Pink readers + My route of choice to Stanstead
District - I live on it
Piccadilly - Cockfosters (Immaturity 100)
Met - Had stop skippers, would be nice if they just did everyone a favour and extend it to Tower Hill
Central - Loop de loop
Circle - Stops at the same station twice
Bakerloo - Uhhhh idk
W&C - Memes
Tfl Rail - Family live on it
H&C - Quickest way to Kings X for me
Trams - They're trams
Cable Car - Big floating box on wires, why not?
And the O2 for Jubilee
Bakerloo oldest trains on the network
Bakerloo-Best chairs
The Bakerloo line trains are disgusting, like going back to the fifties.
Bakerloo - reminds me of bakers and bread/cake
Geoff making an Excel Sheet for Tube Lines is a personality type and I am it 😂
Custom Spreadsheet for ExCeL
Central line being so central even in the rankings - You've got to appreciate that.
1st - Victoria (I know its a modern and relatively shorter line but I am always amazed by how punctual and frequent the trains are)
Last - Central (always late, irregular and packed - it is an extremely mismanaged line with dingy, dirty coaches)
12:48 Ah yes, my favorite breakfast spreadsheet cereal, Excelios. A good source of vitamins B1:B12 and made with 100% whole grain floats.
This is so awesome! As long as there are people doing stuff like this - from the idea to participating in the polls to the analysis to lighting the Christmas tree based on the reults to the services advertising themselves to secure the win - I am convinced that all will be well. The world needs more of this.
When the tree updated I almost spat out my tea!
Hi, I discovered you shortly after I visited London, two years ago. I've been following you ever since, and thanks to you, I learned a lot about the London Underground and I was fascinated by it.
I'm also following you due to the fact that I want to learn English better (and how else, if not from an Englishman).
Keep doing what you do, I like it.
I didn't quite understand some stations as they are marked on the map, for example Waterloo or Embakment have connecting tunnels for other lines (some circles joined together).
I wish you many achievements in the coming year and a warm Happy New year !! or in my mother tongue La multi ani!! from Romania.
Overground for me - it's so much more exciting. When you get on you're never quite sure where you'll end up.
As an retired Metropolitan line driver, Its got to be the Met...
As a retired mathematician who also used spreadsheets and who also dabbles in microcontrollers as a hobby, excellent job, Matt! Nothing better than having a conjunction of vocation and one or more avocations. Cheers from Wisconsin.
Those final 3 standings reminded me of the discrepancy between the different college sport Top 25 rankings.
I’m so glad I’m not alone in voting for the Jubilee just because of its sound!
Without a doubt the best motor sounds on the network!
I too love the Jubilee motor sounds; however, I for one would have voted Jubilee because of the modern stations with platform doors.
yep, the exact reason why Jubilee is my favourite as well, Central line came a close 2nd imo :D
Beepbeep Lettuce Agreed! Although I do personally enjoy the S Stock motor sounds almost as much...
@@bipbipletucha 100% best motor sounds, and the routes jubilee goes are the best
Personally, Victoria Line no doubt. Frequent and high-speed service between northern and southern London. Very few stops.
Piccadilly Line
The first time I came to London (as a student from Germany), I stayed with a family for a couple of weeks who lived closest to Arnos Grove. Now that I live in the United States, I regularly fly to Heathrow on business. I prefer to stay at one of the hotels near Hounslow Central. Even if I only need to change terminals at Heathrow (2 to 5 or vv), if I have the time I go landside just so I can take the short (complimentary) ride on the Piccadilly Line. Also, still the same rolling stock as during my first visit to London in 1983.
Metropolitan, because of the beautiful landscape and I have to catch it for school 😂😂😂
met is better than the overrated af victoria line
Loved taking part in this on twitter. It was great too vote for your favourite
The interactive tree matt has is amazing too
I gotta say I love the DLR or Cable Car for TFL but for the 11 underground lines I do love the Metropolitan of District
What fruits a fantastic piece of whimsy has borne! Four year's fantasy tube data; some serious but playful numerical analysis; competition from tube operators bordering on match fixing; collaboration from programmers; new friendships formed; resulting in Christmas tree lighting linked to Excel worksheets. (I have died and gone to heaven!) You can switch on my Christmas lights any year (that is not a euphemism!)
2020 might have been a nightmare for many but in some respects it has brought us closer together with warmth, friendship and fun. I will be looking forward to the opening of the 2021 Twitter polls.
Thanks for the videos through the hard times we’ve had this year Geoff!
District Line gets my vote primarily because I can take my full size bike anywhere on the line.
Thanks for the hard work you put into this! It was soo much fun working on the site and API to visualise the cup!
- David Wheatley
Jubilee and DLR for me. I love the DLR’s light rail in the sky feel!
I live near the District line and it deserves kudos for covering such a large area with different end points. But other than that the Bakerloo is the only line left that still interests me with it's old school '72 stock the only charm left on the Underground. I use District, Jubilee and Central the most regularly.
Can someone explain to me why the Victoria?!?!?! It’s entirely underground (nothing to see), the trains are always jam packed and is only a modest length. For me it’s all about the Met, fantastic history - majority above ground with a contrast of London City, Suburban and even countryside surroundings - with a good amount of little branch lines. Similarly the Piccadilly is a fantastic line, amazing tube stock, stops at a lot of great tourist destinations and it’s stations too have a varied/interesting architecture.
agreed vic line is overrated af
Ha, and Techmoan thought there was no practical use for those LED trees. :)
I love that the actual railways got involved in this, mostly because these days I'll clutch at any indication that whimsy has not completely gone from the everyday world.
Mind The Wheet! Honestly I barley did see that one coming, doesn't matter how you can sugar the puns up! :p That was a brilliant interesting video and a wonderful Collab. But Victoria Line still my favourite Tube line!
Being a TFL Rail user makes me cry, look what they done to my boy
Central. Many happy memories of going to work with my grandad when I was little. He was a driver at Hainault.
Same! I grew up in White City, Du Cane Road to be exact and I could see the Central line pass by my window every day. I lived right next to the train tracks. It was my local line
Brilliant mix of several niche, not to say nerdy, subjects. Wonderful!
Great video Geoff!
I love Matt’s Xmas tree!
10:42 that is amazing.
Weetabix dry for me.
If I had to vote on my favourite line (not having a Twitter account, it's unlikely but never mind), it would be the Bakerloo. My reason for this is because the trains smell as Tube trains should- a mixture of sparks and coal dust from the tunnels.
I love those crossover episodes between youtubers I regularly watch :D
GTR getting on board with the World Cup is the best thing I’ve seen in ages 😆
everytime i think ive seen everything thats interesting on this channel, youtube goes and recommends me another banger of a video! thank you so much geoff!
This is truly marvellous! I've been an Excel fan since the 90s, and to see that there is a chap on the web who presents info, is a revelation! Of course as Geoff and Matt say, there are different ideas what criteria to use, but still - it's fascinating!
Mine is the jubilee line , as I love the sound of the trains motor and I love the stations!
This video really helps me with my A level maths 😂😊🙌 thanks Geoff's friend
Matt: If anyone wants to see how I wired up my tree...
Me, a nerd: desperately
This is hilarious for me as I used to work nearby Warren Street but stayed in Woolwich Arsenal.
So everyday I had to use the DLR, Jubilee and Victoria Lines.
Excellent video. Loved the analysis, loved Matt appearing (plus tree), and of course the cereal boxes too.
I went on the train today for the first time since september, since my mental health has been getting me down, and ticked off 3 new stations, bringing my total so far to 242 mainline stations.
59 so far in 2020 (48 pre-pandemic, 8 in august, 3 today), against 89 for the whole of 2019.
Also I've now made it to all 60 tyne and wear metro stations, but still only 51 tube stations under my belt, and 0 for the glasgow subway...
How the Jubilee always does so well is unfathomable. I guess some people just have no taste.
What’s wrong with it?
Tube info, and math - Geek overload love it thank you. May 2021 be a great year for you all - hey we can only go up from here.
This is brilliant. Thank you Geoff. (:
Love the spreadsheet (love a good spreadsheet) with the tree and lights!! Fab idea. x
I remember commenting on one of your videos about the jubilee line stock traction motors 😂 generally i really like the jubilee line as a whole. Im from Finland but i've been on every line apart from tfl rail. Good video Geoff!
I want a poll for: If you could only ride one tube line, one time, which would it be and why?
If a traveler stops over in London long enough to ride only one, or if it's the only one to ride before you die, etc etc. Which one??
Brilliant! Glad I found Matt's video on how his tree lights work yesterday. And pleased he's found a good use for all that effort 😂
Any chance of expanding this to other light rail and rapid transit systems, or are you scared of the Glasgow Subway just railroading all the inferior London lines?
Bakerloo! So stylish and mysterious!
My favourite's the Northern line. I don't live in London but my Grandpa does and his local station is on the northern line so it's the line we used the most
love the dedication Geoff and nice collab-video, again. Thumbs up!
Nerdy UA-cam is what has kept me going this year.
What would you do if the Waterloo & City line started running again next year and Thameslink remained on the map? That would mean there’d be 17 lines/models on the map. Qualifying round perhaps?
The Jubilee is good but I'm confused as to why it is so close to the Victoria line. In my eyes the Victoria Line wins, even though I use the Jubilee line pretty much every day (pre Covid) because I live close to one of the stations. Here's the reasoning behind my thinking.
1. The Victoria line trains are closer to each other. If you miss one, the next one is usually only 1 minute away, whereas on the Jubilee is seems like the next one is always about 4 minutes away.
2. The Jubilee line going into Central London takes ages unless you do the Met Line skip (Wembley Park-Finchley Road). The Victoria Line has fewer "local" stations meaning it gets into one of the more central stations a lot quicker. If you want to go from 1 end of the line to the other (Stanmore to Stratford) it's usually quicker to go to Wembley Park and then use the Met line to Liverpool Street and the Central line to Stratford rather than stay on the Jubilee line.
3. Some of the Jubilee line trains terminate at Wembley Park which makes it really annoying for people (like me) that live in Stanmore, Canons Park, Queensbury or Kingsbury. We have to get off, watch that train slowly move off the platform and then get on the next train about 5 mins later. On the Victoria Line, the vast majority of trains seem to go from Walthamstow all the way to the end (Brixton).
4. I have no idea if this is true or not but the Victoria Line trains seem to have a higher acceleration and top speed than Jubilee line trains. Obviously this means we get to places more quickly.
5. Sky blue is a nicer colour to look at than grey (I know it's supposed to be silver but it looks more grey to me).
My ranking (never been on cable car or new TFL stock so leaving them out):
14. Trams
13. Central
12. Bakerloo
11. Waterloo and City
10. Hammersmith and City
9. Overground (all past here are great)
8. Metropolitain
7. Northern
6. District
5. Piccadilly
4. Circle
3. DLR
2. Victoria
1. Jubilee
I don't count Thameslink but that would be between Metropolitan and Northern
I love the cable car. 2nd best views on the tube map. Of course, the best views on the tube map are from the boat (Uber Boat by Thames Clippers), which clearly has many stations marked, and should be in the next contest!
A route I have taken a couple of times (generally in November) is Marylebone to Baker Street on foot, Jubilee line to Green Park, on foot to Westminster, boat to North Greenwich/Emirates Greenwich Peninsula, Cable Car to Emirates Royal Docks/Royal Victoria then DLR to Custom House for ExCeL.
I suppose that the cross-purple-elizabeth-rail-line will be a more efficient mode for that journey when it opens, and I may well take it for the novelty.
I'd love to see a World Cup of UK Tram networks!
I've missed London.. My favorite tube line is Hammersmith/Barking because I lived close the Aldgate East. Love London..
Happy New Year Geoff! Thank you so much for the your videos. This make me happy.
I imagine Piccadilly does particularly well with your non-London followers...I know for me, it would be my favourite as it's the line that always welcomes me to London.
Favourite line? Going to say, Circle because of the S stock trains and the line's history. I won't say Thameslink because
1. 700 trains are horrible in both legroom and seat comfort.
2. They keep promising to add step free access to Luton Station but they still haven't.
The metro system in Santiago, Chile is excellent. I went there 2 1/2 years ago and was very impressed.
My choice is Bakerloo, it's awesome, it has nice old trains which are reliable enough for not making that much of a delays, it's really atmospheric, a bit run down but in a charming way, and it (and the northern line too) has a station with the weirdest name of all time (not that weird, if you consider why it's called that, but still, especially for foreigners)
I love the Piccadilly line
I was thinking of many different ways of ranking using the data from this. Next time you hold this try possible doing groups first either by lumping 3 or 4 lines in the same poll with the top 2 moving through or even doing the 3 or 6 different 1 on 1 matches in the groups and then top 2 moving through. Then you will get to see how they rank against more than 1 on 1s.
All of which tells us that leagues (or simple votes in this case) are more useful than knockouts for working out the "best".
Jubilee Line, great train sounds, great route and modern design.
Love Matt's tubeotree, coding and maths, 2 of my weaker points, these days the only coding I do is around a couple of hundred lines of the Linux Kernel and maths, I leave to my research assistants, well they've got to do some work for their PhD.s
Yes, Geoff and Matt! Best mashup ever
Mathup
My favourite is the central and northern line. I also like the met line.
Best Tube line is Bakerloo (Because is in TSW 2)(Also uses oldest stock in use/72 Stock)
What I noticed, and never said anything about, when the Cup first launched, was that it was organised as a cup: each round winner takes all. This works OK if all you're interested in is a single winner, but if you're preparing a ranking it seriously disadvantages those who are up against a strong competitor in an early round, as the analysis relating to the Piccadilly line shows. If instead you asked voters to rank the lines from best to worst, then did a 'p.r.' analysis, it would give a fairer result, but of course the whole exercise would be done and dusted in one round, so perhaps the entertainment would suffer. Transport as a game show? Might relieve life's tedium?
First time it's fun, second time it's Tradition, Third time it's a Long Standing Tradition, Geoff, you're now stuck with this XD
Where can I buy Tubeabix?
Favourite line district the green line having lived in Elm park for some years
For me the Victoria line maybe bias as I was born in 68 but the original 67 stock design much better than the padded cells of the 2009 stock
victoria is definitely my favourite tube line, its so incredibly useful, reliable and efficient. for all tfl services tho the overground has to take the cake, especially with its extensiveness and connections with national rail (which is my fav way to travel in london). also the most interesting imo.
ps, jubilee line is overrated :)
nah vic line is overrated i love the met
sarah parnall is the worst annoncer
@@posttowersucksbigblackcoff6419 met is probably my 2nd favourite, it's definitely the most interesting and varied tube line (plus it has s stock which are the best trains on the network). but to me nothing can beat the sheer efficiency and usefulneess of the vic.
also i really do not care about the accouncement voice
as long as it isnt robotic-sounding tts (cough cough 707s, 345s)
@@jos4669 nice I do think the vic is a tad overrated vut i respect your opinion
I REMEMBER THINKING ABOUT WHAT THIS MAN'S FAVOURITE LINE IS YESTERDAY HAHA BRILLIANT!!!
The second you said Spreadsheet, I immediately thought of Matt from StandUpMaths, and then he ends up being in the video 🤪
Metropolitan certainly has to be up there, Bakerloo and jubilee
Superb video👍 my favourite is the Piccadilly line as it takes me to and from Heathrow via some superb locations in London
I vote this by... noise of engines, voice of announcements, and how much interior is the line’s colour (so no subsurface)... rarely do I ever consider technical stuff like punctuality or hygiene lol.
I’m a bit confused by this; none of the TfL/LU passenger trains have engines.
@@bfapple Geoff and this commenter mean ‘motors’ when they say ‘engines.’ It’s quite common for people to use those words interchangeably, even though technically they’re different. But they’re talking about the electric motors found on tube trains - to my knowledge there was never a tube train that had a real ‘engine’, aside from the steam-powered trains from a very long time ago.
Definitely the Bakerloo, there’s just something about it that’s so charming
Nice video Geoff My favourite tube lines are the Waterloo & city line is my favourite Deep level tube line and My favourite tube line and my favourite Subsurface line is the Hammersmith & City Line yay
Oh man I really need to enter modern life and download twitter as a 33yr old, as I always miss out of this kinda fun! But I really love watching the results every year! Northern line for the win for me! Bit late now mind 😝
A natural source of B1:B12 is such a fantastic little detail on a Cheerios box lol
I feel that there’s not enough love for the bakerloo - I may have to join Twitter just to vote this year!
What's Twitter?
Even though I don’t know much about TFL or the Tube..this is so interesting!!
I've always thought the Piccadilly was getting a bad run.
That Christmas tree is just genious!
Piccadilly my favourite Sudbury Town station ❤️
How does it feel to be so well known in railway circles that you're actively influencing the information that appears on passenger information screens across entire networks?
If you go more than one decimal place, which one wins?
The DLR scrolling message board replaced the @ character by a É. I wonder if it is a limitation of the display font, a transmission error or a typo...
Amazing video, always love them.
happy New Year Geoff and everyone watching
Jubilee because I have memorised all the stations
Sixth station southbound from Willesden Green is? 😀
Is Neasden
You have to mention the stations on the edge of the Jubilee line which is Stratford & Stanmore
Unless Tramlink counts, then I have that, 'cos it's by my house...