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Hey look! That's me! Lmao. Great video man. Love your channel. Glad my cheat sheet was helpful. I discovered after that reddit post there are TONS of new players who need help with soft caps, so i think this video will be a great help to the community.
Didn't even watch the video yet. Still in the AD. Hit the like already. Seriously, No one EVER does straight to the point thumbnails man. Super helpful Great job.
Quick correction: some stats like frost and death blight do not scale with arcane, but madness does, currently I don't think there's any weapon with madness and arcane scaling, but madness spells get much better with the dragon communion seal and it's S scale in arcane
I don't recall saying those did scale with arcane. Good to know regardless however. The only things that scale with arcane at least that's been confirmed is bleed/poison, weapon scaling/incantation + sorcery scaling. AFIK anyways. Frenzy Seal has a passive bonus to madness incantations, but its scaling requires 4x stats so it is an investment.
For Arcane weapon scaling the soft caps are more like Str and Dex, 20/55/80. But for Str, Dex, and Arc, that "55" number is somewhat approximate because the AR does not drop off suddenly, rather it slowly declines between 50 and 80. A better approximation would be 56-58. However, if you have a high scaling weapon, you are going to see noticeable increases in AR all the way up to 80. For example, for Dex/Arc I was originally thinking I would go up to 55/55, keeping the two about equal, but what I found is that it is almost always better to go more into Arcane, so 30/80 is about the same AR, but my dragon communion seal is better. Of course, you may want higher Dex to use the tiny number of weapons with 35+ Dex requirements.
If you feel like you have enough Stamina, I would stop putting points into Endurance as soon as you can equip everything you need to equip for your build without exceeding Medium Load. You don't want to be "fat rolling" because you are carrying a Heavy Load, but you should probably consider the weight of your gear as your personal break point for Endurance.
I've already beaten the game twice and I'm just learning about this softcap thing lol thanks I have this 99 str vigor and dex build with the other stats as low when I'm at the first step grace
Actually soft cap fpr str dex fai arc depends on weapon which you test on. My tests are a little different but close to those mentioned in the video. For example arc softcap is 45.
Arc softcap depends on a few things for 45, such as hybrid seals and bleed/psn buildup, which I do go over at the end. Still beneficial to take arcane to 60/80 if you're focusing on incantation/weapon damage (as well as weapon art damage) that scales off arcane (if you have the points). Regarding softcaps depending on weapons for str Dex faith, perhaps you're seeing different numbers due to scalings for certain weapons when maxed out etc. Some weapons have A or S tier vs others having B C, etc. Lmk how you tested as well as providing more data. I'm curious what you have in your end.
Honestly, unless you're to the point where you have everything else you need maxed out, there's no point in going over 40-45 mind depending on what spells you use and such. Your flask can only fill you up to about 40 worth of mind. You may be using spells that leave you with some FP leftover, but not enough to cast, so that's why it may be worth going a little over 40 build specific, but 42-45 is the absolute max regardless of your build. Anything over that will only be a one-time use every time you rest at a grace site. There's better places to use those attribute points than a one-time use unless everything else is maxed out already. I have mine at 42 for my build, and going to 43 is pointless for my build.
hey man. nice to find u on Elden. You'd helped me out figure out the Outriders end game builds on discord lol. Just started elden n happy to see u here
What I got from some others was hp, fp, and stamina can stop at 40 and everything else can stop at 80 until you get other stats up and really feel like ramming your head into a wall farming further
Great video! A couple questions What is considered mid game and late game? Does that mean a specific point in the game or is it a level thing? How does NG+ fit into that concept of mid and late game? Is there a point where you should stop leveling? I guess what I mean is: Aside from PVP meta is there any reason to stop leveling or should you keep leveling as you progress through NG+ playthroughs? Like, is NG+ going to keep getting harder so stopping leveling is only to increase the challenge?
Mid/late game my best guess is around the 80-150 mark. Then you have NG+ or Late Late game which is just beyond that and more. For me personally, I'm just going to keep going as I want to maximize my NG+ and beyond build. At some point once I have hit all the numbers I want on my stats, I'll stop. NG+ should get harder each time, I believe after 7 the difficulty is the same.
I over leveled in my first play through to 200 (via grinding the mog mobs), I made the mistake of starting NG+ (Instead of exploring what I missed). Now in NG+ i'm plowing through the enemies so it's not as "fun", at least until the enemies catch up to my character (I stopped spending runes for leveling). I kinda started to rush once I hit the Altus plateau instead of taking my time and explore etc.
From my pov, early game is lvl 25 / mid game is lvl 50 / late game is lvl 100 / endgame (PVE only) is lvl 150. You might want to cap your levelling at 120 or 125 if you intend to PVP (I do not know the meta lvl cap for PVP in ER)
35 is your best bet for endurance if you’re a mage…. You going to need to wear better armor and perhaps equip a shield. You’re going to need it now that they nerf aggro for most your summons. Black Knife Tiche is the Summon I used for melania and rodriga. You’re going to get messed up if your summon loses aggro…also large spells that require constant swings of your staff requires a bunch of stamina.
Depends on how much you're spamming spells etc. Currently on my optimized late late game build (guide soon), I'm running 20 endurance and have enough to wear mid/heavy armor and still have medium load. I do plan on pushing this to 30 when I have more points to spare. But at 20 endurance, having no issues. Not a shield user so you will need more points into endurance if you prefer shields. Personally I think it's not needed but that's my playstyle. This is with Moonveil + Dagger + Staff + Seal + Snow Witch Hat + Black Assassin Armor + Beast Champion Gauntlets + Lionel's Greaves. Once I'm at 30, will be upgrading for better defensive stats for sure. But right now, it's more than enough. I stopped using summons for aggro as I wanted to challenge myself for my NG+ and beyond journey and having zero issues. Just need to rotation correctly in boss fights and don't be stingy with Cerulean Tear/magic damage increase for your physik. It's NOT just for comet azur cheese. Bloodhound Step is the KEY for harder boss fights like Melania etc. w.o summons.
@@PlayDohBear I can’t speak for hybrid builds but I can speak for straight cloth bearers. I don’t see it happening how anyone. An fight melenia without doing one of two things: either cheese it by using carinan retaliation, or you got good defense. You can get away with low defense against the fire giant but I must have tried every single summon at 9+ no one can tank her. Black knife tiche on the other hand drops her life fast enough where cariama retaliation cheeses her just to get to second phase. I don’t believe anyone who can literally say they can solo melania 1v1 (I’m not saying that’s you) I’m speaking in general terms without good defense. She does that hand of malania skill that will mess you up and it’s almost impossible to dodge. You going to need a good shield to block and then dodge roll… all of that consumes stamina. The. You got to sprint and hope melania doesn’t go after you lol. Cloth can’t cut it. From software is cheating and no one’s calling them out for it. It’s probably why they left cheese exploits like carian retaliation untouched…. They feel guilty that it takes just 1 swipe and you’re dead… I don’t even wear mage gear anymore. Although the white snow outfit looks so cool, I can’t survive worth a lick if it’s a boss that is fast moving and that doesn’t get taunt by your summon…. Btw if you haven’t picked up on it, I cheese melania… I couldn’t stand that Bish…. And I know the commenters say I just suck, melania is no joke, especially for cloth armor. I’m level 257 when I first engaged her. And I was using top leveled gear, my staff was at +25 vigor at 45 mins at 55 INT at 78… none of that mattered when she does her skill…. Sliced me up like I was hot butter
@@PlayDohBear I finally beat malania when I grinded to boost endurance to 45, equip radahan armor lol. Carrian retaliation, got lucky a few times Tiche aggro her and a few lucky dodge rolls…. Second phase is pure mechanics…. Any boss that moves like her tho, cloth bearers are screwed without endurance
Really depends on your level and which state scales higher on the weapon itself. If it scales with both str and dex equally, then yeah, equal points to the level you want to aim for + having enough points for your other stats as well.
Level 170 mage here, first ever FROMSOFT game played. Would this allocation for endgame be more then good enough? Vigor: 42 Mind: 55 Endurance: 25 Strength: 16 (Mainly for Moonveil/Dark Moon Greatsword) Dexterity: 20 Intelligence: 75 (80 with Talisman) Faith, Arcane left as is.
That's great! No complaints here. Great allocation of points. I too like more mind to spam my spells LUL. I could see a case for perhaps 50 mind and 30 endurance if you want a bit more stamina for spell casting and dodging (plus equip load), but that's 100% a great distribution of stats. Make sure to have radagons icon to take advantage of that virtual 30 dex with your 20 points into Dex for faster cast speed. Great value!
@@PlayDohBear honestly couldn't disagree more. Videogamedunkey made a video about how the damage scaling feels crazy. Once I got into the mountains every enemy feels like it's doing double damage. Max softcap of 60 vigor, plus good armor, plus greatly reduce physical damage still gets 2 shot against malenia. In the other games thatd keep you alive for hours
@@Joker-nh6dd honestly as my first souls game, I didn't find those areas all that difficult. I've seen his video and from my friends who are souls veterans all agree this is the easiest game in the series. Idk if you played sekiro, but that shit made me alt f4 so fast haha. The game can be easy or hard depending on how you play. Just level up a bit, get your upgrades and go back to the area. Personally I've come to love the difficulty factor and will revisit the past souls games. Makes those fights really worth it when you beat a boss. Just my thoughts though. This game is hard, but does get extremely easier if you spend the time to spam some levels and go back. Regarding Malenia, yeah she's just dumb LOL. Just use Black Knife Tiche upgraded. Will legit 1v1 her.
So I'm still slightly confused. For hybrid catalysts like the dragon communion seal does it only change the softcap for arcane so you wouldn't want to go past 45 arcane and then go 60 into faith? OR does that also change the faith softcaps to 30/45 as well?
It's just for arcane scaling that you see diminishing returns for hybrid catalysts after 45. You can definitely keep leveling arcane, but what you used to get in 5 levels, past 45 will take 15. You'll still get more damage with your incantations if you spec into arcane vs faith (for example 45 faith and 60 arcane is 351 scaling vs. 60 faith and 45 arcane being 345 scaling). For more in depth on how each point allocates to your scaling damage, you should check out the weapon calculator. Weapon calculator can be found in the video description form my Sorcery Scaling video.
@@m9l5t1 passing out now. Do check out that weapon calculator. If your main concern is incantations doing damage, it will help you min max your scaling. Appreciate the sub!
It's mentioned in this video at the end (arcane section). You can also check out my seals video here: ua-cam.com/video/susWb8pzSyM/v-deo.html - Since it is a hybrid seal, 30/45. You can def take it higher too, but depends on what level you are focusing on. 60 arcane is a nice place to stop and focus points elsewhere until you can go back and max it out to 70-80 for the late late game, along with faith. The dragon comm seal scales better with arcane (but also needs faith too for more scaling) so def want more points into arcane until you have enough to dump and make them both even. I even use an example with this exact same seal in the seals video I linked. Chapter is "Weapon Calculator Example." Highly recommend you take a look.
Great video, but I feel like your recommendation for leveling endurance is way too low, unless the player is either a lightweight mage or cleric/faith build. I would almost always recommend leveling endurance to at least 35, if not 40 for the equipment load and for the stamina. No one likes running out of stamina too quickly in a fight and no one likes fat rolling because they're equipment load is just too low.
This is focusing around the lvl 125-150 mark, which I don't think much builds have more than 30 endurance from the research I did when making this video. Of course it's only a recommendation and if people need more points into Endurance they can go that route. But with only so many stat points to mess around with, dumping 35-40 for this level can hurt in other areas. Basically my thought process on why I recommended 25-30.
@@protonjones54 not if you want to wear better armor man…. There are bosses like malania where you can’t simply dodge roll their specialize skill (hand of melania) Or the dragon that you fight after using the needle (don’t remember the name). Even Radenia fight you will run out of stamina if you don’t have enough on endurance plus one hit off of the elden stars (you would know what I’m talking about if you got past that part) it does a half second stun on you and when the rest of those beams hit you and you’re wearing cloth lol…. Audios …. Only bragger who says they beat these bosses who claim to beat them with low endurance cheese they boss. I’ve seen too many video of it especially tons of people who speed run… playing the game the “regular way” will have you running out of stam quick and be squishy if your endurance is below 30…
@@marlonestrella8105 dude I beat both those bosses with 25-30 end (it was probably 30, I don't quite remember), while wearing medium armor. I wasn't naked, I wasn't using a knife, I wasn't constantly out of breath from losing stamina. If you're a caster with 36 end and you're still getting one-shotted by enemies then maybe stop running around nude with 20 vigor?
Question : Do Talismans affect softcap gains? For example: Talisman raises STR by 5, sending me over the STR soft cap of 55, all the way to 60. Would I be receiving the bad diminished returns for going over 55? (Rendering the Talisman "not optimal" for the build)
Yes, Talismans that add attributes will affect your soft caps. It's not that big of a deal though from 55-60 if the talisman is helping you out with another stat. I still use my +5 to INT talisman to hit the final soft cap of 80.
Side note on Mind : at 40 Mind, with potions +12 (ceiling) you refill your entire mana bar. Go over 40 and the potion won't refill your mana bar entirely if you're at 0 mana. So increasing Mind over 40 is nearly useless, as you will only make your "first" mana bar bigger. Same could be said about your HP bar, but you must go over 40 Vigor to take some of those late game big hits.
I mentioned this in the video as well. There is a benefit to more mind as you do have more FP in your first rotation which is nice to have. Can cast those bigger spells for longer/chain them. While it may take 2x potions to get a full bar, having the luxury to cast more spells w.o having to refill as much is nice, especially paired with higher endurance. For more builds in the 125-150 mark 40 mind is not a bad place to stop. I'm not sure on PvP specifics and what not, but I'm sure there are other use cases for +40 mind.
I go 40 first on almost every build. Makes the game soooo much easier, particularly when upgrade materials are scarce since you don’t start hitting massive scaling gains until the higher + weapon levels. The difference in a D scaling weapon at 40 str verses 15 is minimal. At A scaling it’s huge.
@@kevinc8955 When you hit end game and kill the final boss, you can farm for runes super fast and buy every crafting material that is relevant up to +9 and +24. That's what I'm doing right now haha. STOCKING UP!
Do you know if bleed effects from incantations (like swarm of flies) also scale with arcane if you use an arcane-scaling seal? I'm curious if those bleed effects/procs would also cap at 45
@SunStealer the only pure backloaded seal is the Erdtree Seal (max soft cap at 80) and that only scales off of faith. All other seals are frontloaded so they are hybrid. Their soft caps are going to depend on the hybrid stats, for arcane thats 30/45. If you have like a FAITH + SRT seal, then you have to account for those soft caps, which differ from arcanes 30/45.
Swarm of flies damage doesn't scales at all, no matter how much arcane you have. I've checked this spell on Malenia with 80 and 16 arcane with fully upgraded dragon seal and not upgraded other seal and didn't seen any difference in damage of proc, always was ~2300. Also didn't noticed increasing of bleeding proc speed.
@@pabloescobar406 Not sure on its interaction but it does do great damage for certain bosses. Bleed doesn't see much after 45 arcane (blood loss build up) and remember no seal scales with only arcane that well (even the dragon comm, although it is the best for pure arcane - but don't get this confused as you'll need points into both arcane and faith to see its scaling increase). You need points into the stats that the seals scale with to see your increased damage output. Check out my seals scaling video for more information on this.
@@pabloescobar406 it doesnt increase the bleed damage (hard capped at 10% on bosses) , but it does increase the status build up. This might not be enough to be noticeable on a boss.
I'm level 100+ but I plan to stop at level 125 and I have bleed build. I'm sorry I'm too dumb cuz Idk how to allocate stats this is my 1st rpg. What do u suggest my stats will be? Sorry for my bad english
So for a bleed build, you def want at least 45 into arcane, as that is going to be the first soft cap (as arcane affects bleed damage). After 45 it's going to drop off. The next you have to decide what weapon you're going to be using. Let's take Rivers of Blood for example. You would want to hit a nice soft cap for dex as this weapon scales with dex better than strength. Make sure you also have the stats to wield the weapon too. It also scales with arcane, but we have that covered. If we look at Samurai as a starting class, it has 12 vigor, 12 strength (enough to wield the katana) 15 dex, 8 arcane. So 37 into arcane gives us 45. 40 into dex gives us 55. 28 into vigor gives us 40. This leaves us 20 points to work with. Probably would put 12 into endurance and the remaining 8 can go where ever (maybe strength because the katana also scales with strength) Mind could also be an option, but I'm not sure if that's ideal. NOTE: I am not very familiar with a bleed/arcane build so I'm just going off the soft cap numbers (also very new to souls myself). You'll also need to utilize talismans etc. Maybe there are some good UA-cam videos that explains a similar build. I'm sure a few are out since Arcane got fixed with the patch yesterday. Hope this helps!
Mathematically, this interpretation of a soft-cap is too arbitrary to be useful. There are several problems with it: 1) Usually there is no single point where returns from a stat begin to decline. Vigor for example: it's true that you get less HP per point in vigor after 40, same after 60. But that's also true after 59 vigor (and after 48 vigor, and after 42 vigor, etc.). Why then don't we say there is a soft-cap at every point of vigor where you got more HP than you'll ever get again? Because people have arbitrarily decided that 40 and 60 make some imaginary cut-off (most likely because 40 and 60 are round numbers and are nice to look at). 2) This explanation doesn't account for deflated value of returns due to high base value. Hypothetically, let's say your base endurance is 1000 stamina. Let's say every level of endurance up to 90 gives you 1 point in stamina, and every level after 90 gives you 0 points. The explanation for soft-caps presented here would lead us to conclude that the soft-cap for endurance would be 90 endurance, giving you 1090 stamina. However, when we compare the gain per level to the amount available up front, we realize there is virtually no reason to spend 80 stat points on a less than 10% return on the base value of your attribute. This is an exaggeration, but it conveys the idea of what is actually happening to a lesser degree with stamina returns in Elden Ring. 3) Weapons that have different scaling and base damage types will have totally different soft-caps, and there is no way to meaningfully generalize the soft-caps for damage-stats across the board. Weapons that get C or less scaling might provide virtually no reasonable returns to AR, while A to S scaling might provide great returns all the way up to 99. Whether you are two-handing or not will affect when your strength returns cut-off. Even a weapon that has B or higher scaling in intelligence, if the intelligence damage type on the weapon (magic?) has low base damage, it may still provide virtually no contribution to your weapon's potential AR. I've pointed out some problems, but what would solve these and still give us a useful definition of a soft cap? Here is what I propose: A soft cap is defined as the final level in a stat or group of stats at which at least above-average returns are made on a target attribute. How do we mathematically define 'above-average' in this case? By looking at the total amount of the attribute available at maxed stats. Let's look at some examples: VIGOR: the maximum amount of HP available (excluding talismans for simplicity) is 2100 HP at 99 vigor. 2100 divided by 99 vigor gives us an average of 21.21 HP per point in vigor. So, the soft cap for vigor would be 53, which is the last level in vigor that gives you above 21.21 (53 vigor gives you 22 more HP). MIND: the FP available at 99 mind is 450. 450 divided by 99 mind gives you 4.55 FP per level. The soft cap for mind, then, would be 59, which gives you 5 more FP (60 and after only give you 4 or less FP). STAMINA: This one may be surprising: the max stamina at 99 endurance is 170. 170 divided by 99 endurance gives you 1.72 stamina per level. The soft-cap for endurance is actually 11, since at 12 or more endurance, you get less than 2 stamina per level on average. The only real reason to invest in endurance in Elden Ring is for equip load, which would have a more complex soft-cap calculation depending on what you are trying to get out of it (poise, armor, a certain type of roll, etc.). Finally, when it comes to weapons, the approach would be the same, except AR is calculated with 5 potential stats instead of 1. Because of this, when looking at the average returns on a weapon, you'd consider the max AR when str, dex, int, fth and arc are 99, and divide that AR by 495. Using this method, it becomes clear that every weapon and affinity has a soft cap unique to its scaling and damage types (as well as whether you are two-handing). Let's reject arbitrary round numbers and embrace a more scientific approach to move the build making in our souls community forward. :)
Leveling UP dont do jackshiet..aside just allowing you to equip whatever weapons/skills/spells. Enemies scale UP as you go even in first play through... Definitely Stamina and Dex..because there's NO FLASK for these. If you go into NG+..It's mostly to just collect golden seeds /cups.. So you'll get more flasK or increase HP/FP replenish. ( DON'T level Up..aside more Stamina/Dex) Well..becuase You're not going to kill anything faster..aside being able to spam casting/wacking/rolling or carry 2 giant swords/hammer without rolling like a tank and use LESS Flask
@John Hooper it dose exist. Im at level 445. My stats are 65 60 60 75 75 70 70 50 ( ENEMIES scale/lv UP as you go) The game dosnt get easier. It's actaully harder or I move SLOWER. The SLOW MOTION combat is WONKY but i can wear/equip/cast ...whatever I damn please. STAMINA is actually HARD CAP at 50..but I dont like rolling like a TANK. I also need to equip green turtle talisman to increase stamina refill speed. My defense NEGATION is high enough ...I dont need to wear funkie head gears. The RUNES also gets CAP after 2nd play through. Im in NG+4...the rune drops remain the same after NG+2 Im on pare to how I play most RPG games 400-500 hrs is when I stop playing..I still havnt finished all the quest. it's okay. A year from now I'll still have all my stats...I can through an entire new game plus in a day if i want. goof around with any weapons.spells as I please. Im used to the SLOW MOTION combat...from fighting Diamon 2nd form in D.D....it's the only time it'll happen in that game due to ANIMATION mechanics. It's ANNOYING to me...Holy WOW, talk TELEGRAPH moves...lmao it's in all ER's combat mechanics though. What else can I say....They use the OLD game engine.
@John Hooper I dont think Im going to level up anymore . I dont need to..I can cast any spells..wearing armor or equip any weapon. In a nutshell...play whatever style of combat I want. I dont even use any crack tears or arch ruines ( dont need to) If use an arch ruine my HP will increase from 2000 to 2500 but dont use it. It's neither here or there..becuase the entree heal..heals around 80% of my health. I seldom let my health get below 50% to begin with...but sometimes...I get gang wack.lol I spend less time drinking heal flash and get in more attacks. If the combat goes a little longer..i just heal or cast golden vow. to increase my strength and defense I might need to use 1 FP flask in most boss fights... Becuase my weapons use FP If i get ONESHOT attempts ( it happens)..i'll just spamm entree heal.lmao 2-3 HP flask at most if goes sideways. I have 10-ea FP flask allocated...i seldom use the HP flask. I hate cycling the D-PAD.lol Im getting to put the game away....waiting for DLC
@John Hooper well...I died more from falling off ledges than fiighting bosses.lmao If it wasnt for the farming glitch or sacred sword killing ET Id be really really PISSED...because boss fights only give me 1.08M ruines I need almost 2.5M to just lv Up.lmao ( it's still tedious no matter how I do it) it takes less time..if I dont glitch...but it's boring.lmao im at 65 60 60 75 75 75 70 50. it's all SWEET. lmao I can still died in boss fights. it's 50/50 that I still do because I dont press the heal button fast enough.lmao My combat style had also changed....Im better at combating less the target lock...when in close combat. or toggle it on/off quicker for range attacks. So to me...it's BALANCE. The combat is still challenging. I just get to goof around more...becuase Im not afraid to die I have second sets of all my favorite weapons. I could easily just not max them out. Yeap..I wished they gave us console player more save files. Im stuck with ONE
Hard to say without knowing your level or what you're aiming for. Just do your best to follow the softcaps to an extent then allocate to your secondary and third attributes. I'm not too familiar with a good portion of the game. Mostly a mage main :3 This should point you in the right direction though.
Nah you're fine. Although if your going mage, pump int to 80, then focus on whatever your secondary and third stat. At some point you're gonna be able to get to every stat the more you level. Although 40 str is way too much of you are going mage. Should only have enough for the weapons u want to equip. My first souls game too! Stat allocation will depend on what build you want to play.
@@PlayDohBear I appreciate ur reply my dude !! Idk what build I'm going for I just used int @ 60 because magic was killing the bosses for me lol 😆 , but I wanna be able to use everything, is this possible or is not worth it ? 🤔 should I go with specific build, I like being op
@@redsungaming yeah Def go with a specific buiid you can min/max because it will be stronger. Then once youre like level 300+ you can do whatever you want really. You'll have stats for any buiid.
@@PlayDohBear thanks bro much love keep up the videos, currently level 189 lvl 300+ here I come !!! I use moonveil and staffs rn it's op but bleed and madness players still fuck me up ! Gg's
so if i wanna do a dragon communion seal build my best bet would be hybrid weapons intead of single atrribute S-scaling weapons? cause arcane doesnt give the spells any damage above 45 and i would benefit more across the board by putting the rest into faith? but are there arcane/faith scaliong weapons?
There are no weopons that scale with both but don't let that stop you from putting more points into each depending on what weapons you're using. Bleed builds benefit from higher arcane and a weapon like the blasphemous blade (as an example) scales off of faith. So you can hit the upper soft caps for each to get better damage scaling for your weapons of choice. Sure, those upper soft caps won't scale with your incantations but your melee options will receive a pretty substantial increase in DMG output.
Weapon can be anything you really want it to be. That's going to be preference, but at least one that does scale with arcane (arcane/Dex is hot). Keep in mind bleed does scale with arcane but anything past 60 arcane for bloodbuild up is negative, but for blood stack bonus and for weapons that do have arcane scaling, you can take it up to 80 (late game). Keep in mind that you can dual weild the dragon communion seals to get an additional 15% damage for dragon spells. Level doesn't matter on the seal in your off hand.
When you say level Do you mean Visible level ( level 62 wretch ) Or do you mean per stat As in Level 1 wretch has 10 everything If I add levels to my vigor do I stop when I have reached level 40 or when my vigor has reached 40
These numbers are for the individual level of your current attribute. Yep, you would stop when reaching lvl 40 on your vigor stat. These are NOT for your character level.
I’m new to souls games I wanna run any melee plus a staff to change things up sometimes what does anyone think on how I should spread out my stats i understand the vid but just wanna get the best out of both world plus have a fair bit of health
I'm a tad confused then, so overall there's no point leveling an attribute to 99, you may as well level you build to the hard caps and lets say you can max level your character to all the hard caps. Would there be no point to continue leveling if they're just going to have diminishing returns? I hope this makes sense and please elaborate if anyone can.
Hard caps are always 99 in this game, as you can't go past it. That being said, you can definitely take your stats up to 99, but focus on your other stats once you hit the soft cap, because at this point in the game, no reason to take anything to 99. That's a luxury you'll have when you're level 300++
wow glad i looked at this, didnt think some stats would only get good returns per level at higher levels, which is why i didnt spend much in mind so far.. time to sacrifice some fetuses..
I dont see how anyone can play this game at Lv 150 or 200 Im at lv326 .... 60 50 60 60 60 60 32 30 I still need to invest in Faith and arc...So I can USE SPELLS.. GTFO...Im not shuffling stats around..that's ANNOYING to manage that rebirth BUllshiet just so you can use different weapons or cast different spells. It sucks that stamina is CAP at 50..you still need MORE to wear armor or use great swore..ect Not unless you wanna be glass. Lv 400 or 500 to get to 80 intel/dex...ect and that if I shuffle crap around. In a nutshell...you need to MAX OUT lv 750 to have anything close to 80
Everything I've seen says otherwise. Hard caps are called hard caps because you simply cannot go past that value, in this case 99. I've looked at various posts on past Dark Souls games and hard caps have always been identified at 99 even though there are poor diminishing returns after x attribute.
and yet, the totorial tells you that the soft cap on all stats is 40 =w= iunno how peoples come up with these tables. you should not have parts like "or so" in stuff like this too. it shows that the person who made it isnt sure about it and kills the entire list anyways because you cannot longer believe anything in this list because the person who made it isnt sure if it gives this or that.
Numbers are gathered by testing in game. It's just very time consuming. These numbers are accurate for the attributes. There are different levels of soft caps 🧢
@@PlayDohBear and yet, the totorial says that 40 is the soft cap for every stat ... thats why i say its weird why peoples do lists like this even tho the totorial is like "at 40 get you deminishing returns" >_>. i did a rebirth on my char just now and i did not seen any deminishing returns on int until 40 on my moonveil. same on dex. then i went to the river of blood and looked into arcane, no diminishing returns until 40 where it got greatly decreased on weapon scaling ... so i have literarly no idea on what you guys base all this. i went further and did the thing on the starcaller weapon aswell about strength. (the one from radahn) same aswell, no diminishing returns until 40 and it got worse on 60. some things in those lists is wrong. TLDR; i rather trust what the games tells me then a list which "guesses" that it is like this. fact is, the totorial ingame says that the softcap on all stats starts at 40. so i dont know why peoples even make those lists .... -_-.
This game is trash compared to the other souls games it's just tedious and boring after awhile with so much reskinned mobs and bosses, so much broken stuff in it aswell. I'd say this is tied with DS2 as being my least favourite in the franchise.
Never played any other souls game and didn't care for them. Tried this out after my friends said I wouldn't regret it and here we are. I should play the other ones now for sure, but still have a lot to do in elden ring.
@@PlayDohBear ah right, you should check out the other games as it's just dark souls 4 lol. It starts off good enough but after awhile it's just the same thing over and over not in a good way it just goes on for far too long with zero clues with how to progress the main story! They fkd up by making it open world, people giving it perfect scores are just blinded fanboys lol. For one or two things it does right it takes another 100 steps back imo. I actually hate it and it shows how Fromsoft have ran out of ideas and they just made the game difficult cos they think that's all their fans care for! I could rant all day about it but sure lol. Major disappointment as a souls fan.
@@JohnDoe-pu5gk I didn't mind the open world. Was super overwhelming at first, but didn't mind it too much. I think the difficulty is as easy as you want it to be. I went on a farm journey and the mage route and well, what bosses LUL. The annoyance in missing out on loot from not doing certain quests or side quests were mad annoying though. But trading exists so not too bad.
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Hey look! That's me! Lmao. Great video man. Love your channel. Glad my cheat sheet was helpful. I discovered after that reddit post there are TONS of new players who need help with soft caps, so i think this video will be a great help to the community.
That's what I noticed too. Hopefully being able to see it and follow it will help out all the new souls player like myself.
Thanks to you both
@@tgF321jikko You're welcome :D
Didn't even watch the video yet. Still in the AD. Hit the like already. Seriously, No one EVER does straight to the point thumbnails man. Super helpful Great job.
Thank you!
@@PlayDohBear And yeah I then watched the whole video. Gotta support the good creators!
@@keiharris332 my man! Just forwarding what I learned. Appreciate you!
Quick correction: some stats like frost and death blight do not scale with arcane, but madness does, currently I don't think there's any weapon with madness and arcane scaling, but madness spells get much better with the dragon communion seal and it's S scale in arcane
I don't recall saying those did scale with arcane. Good to know regardless however. The only things that scale with arcane at least that's been confirmed is bleed/poison, weapon scaling/incantation + sorcery scaling. AFIK anyways. Frenzy Seal has a passive bonus to madness incantations, but its scaling requires 4x stats so it is an investment.
Boy would you look at the weapons we have now in the DLC sheesh
I didn’t even need to watch the whole video bc the thumbnail was so perfect, just watched the full video and liked out of respect for the man, thank u
Np!
This video is legit my one stop I’ve watched it like 30 times for info
My man! Appreciate you!
Finally a video that actually has data and not random speculation.
Thank you! Appreciate it. Glad you found it helpful.
For Arcane weapon scaling the soft caps are more like Str and Dex, 20/55/80. But for Str, Dex, and Arc, that "55" number is somewhat approximate because the AR does not drop off suddenly, rather it slowly declines between 50 and 80. A better approximation would be 56-58. However, if you have a high scaling weapon, you are going to see noticeable increases in AR all the way up to 80. For example, for Dex/Arc I was originally thinking I would go up to 55/55, keeping the two about equal, but what I found is that it is almost always better to go more into Arcane, so 30/80 is about the same AR, but my dragon communion seal is better. Of course, you may want higher Dex to use the tiny number of weapons with 35+ Dex requirements.
Absolutely amazing!
I legit dont know why people are not talking more about your amazing content.
Thank you!
Ty Daniel! I'm just your good ol small YT dude. 😂
Extremely helpful thank you. Ive tried watching a couple other videos on this but was still left confused but you went into the details I needed.
Np yoshi!
If you feel like you have enough Stamina, I would stop putting points into Endurance as soon as you can equip everything you need to equip for your build without exceeding Medium Load. You don't want to be "fat rolling" because you are carrying a Heavy Load, but you should probably consider the weight of your gear as your personal break point for Endurance.
How do you do that but know how much it shrinks by when you are a summon?
I've already beaten the game twice and I'm just learning about this softcap thing lol thanks I have this 99 str vigor and dex build with the other stats as low when I'm at the first step grace
Your thumbnail for this is so good I didn’t even have to watch the video but I did anyway. Thank you.
Actually soft cap fpr str dex fai arc depends on weapon which you test on. My tests are a little different but close to those mentioned in the video. For example arc softcap is 45.
Arc softcap depends on a few things for 45, such as hybrid seals and bleed/psn buildup, which I do go over at the end. Still beneficial to take arcane to 60/80 if you're focusing on incantation/weapon damage (as well as weapon art damage) that scales off arcane (if you have the points).
Regarding softcaps depending on weapons for str Dex faith, perhaps you're seeing different numbers due to scalings for certain weapons when maxed out etc. Some weapons have A or S tier vs others having B C, etc. Lmk how you tested as well as providing more data. I'm curious what you have in your end.
Honestly, unless you're to the point where you have everything else you need maxed out, there's no point in going over 40-45 mind depending on what spells you use and such. Your flask can only fill you up to about 40 worth of mind. You may be using spells that leave you with some FP leftover, but not enough to cast, so that's why it may be worth going a little over 40 build specific, but 42-45 is the absolute max regardless of your build. Anything over that will only be a one-time use every time you rest at a grace site. There's better places to use those attribute points than a one-time use unless everything else is maxed out already. I have mine at 42 for my build, and going to 43 is pointless for my build.
nice work you put in this video, we appreciate it
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Great content and informative like always :)
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hey man. nice to find u on Elden. You'd helped me out figure out the Outriders end game builds on discord lol. Just started elden n happy to see u here
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Ur the man for putting it right in the beginning. Got a sub from me
The Thumbnail was enough for me, Thanks😅
Haha! Np!
Thanks for doing the testing!
Good content. Easy on the ears to listen to. Subscribed
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Good to know I can hit all the soft caps before I hit max level
What I got from some others was hp, fp, and stamina can stop at 40 and everything else can stop at 80 until you get other stats up and really feel like ramming your head into a wall farming further
Very usefull info for this vast game.
Thank you Rosh!
I love how dex and arcane are the most replayed 👏👏👏
Great video! A couple questions
What is considered mid game and late game? Does that mean a specific point in the game or is it a level thing?
How does NG+ fit into that concept of mid and late game?
Is there a point where you should stop leveling? I guess what I mean is: Aside from PVP meta is there any reason to stop leveling or should you keep leveling as you progress through NG+ playthroughs?
Like, is NG+ going to keep getting harder so stopping leveling is only to increase the challenge?
Mid/late game my best guess is around the 80-150 mark. Then you have NG+ or Late Late game which is just beyond that and more. For me personally, I'm just going to keep going as I want to maximize my NG+ and beyond build. At some point once I have hit all the numbers I want on my stats, I'll stop. NG+ should get harder each time, I believe after 7 the difficulty is the same.
I over leveled in my first play through to 200 (via grinding the mog mobs), I made the mistake of starting NG+ (Instead of exploring what I missed). Now in NG+ i'm plowing through the enemies so it's not as "fun", at least until the enemies catch up to my character (I stopped spending runes for leveling). I kinda started to rush once I hit the Altus plateau instead of taking my time and explore etc.
@@gearzdesign yeah I'm super overleveled for ng+ as well, but making sure I've done everything prior to starting it.
From my pov, early game is lvl 25 / mid game is lvl 50 / late game is lvl 100 / endgame (PVE only) is lvl 150.
You might want to cap your levelling at 120 or 125 if you intend to PVP (I do not know the meta lvl cap for PVP in ER)
@@valerianblondiau9003 thank you! I've seen a lot of ppl around the 125-150 for pvp.
I got 80 STR on my double donk character. I think once I get 60 DEX, I'm gonna respec and try NizarGG's Grim Reaper build. Looks fun as hell!
This is great, thanks so much.
Sure thing Jaff!
that help me so much 👌
Wow, amazing guide ty so much.
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Very useful guide
Thank you Carlos!
35 is your best bet for endurance if you’re a mage…. You going to need to wear better armor and perhaps equip a shield. You’re going to need it now that they nerf aggro for most your summons. Black Knife Tiche is the Summon I used for melania and rodriga. You’re going to get messed up if your summon loses aggro…also large spells that require constant swings of your staff requires a bunch of stamina.
Depends on how much you're spamming spells etc. Currently on my optimized late late game build (guide soon), I'm running 20 endurance and have enough to wear mid/heavy armor and still have medium load. I do plan on pushing this to 30 when I have more points to spare. But at 20 endurance, having no issues. Not a shield user so you will need more points into endurance if you prefer shields. Personally I think it's not needed but that's my playstyle.
This is with Moonveil + Dagger + Staff + Seal + Snow Witch Hat + Black Assassin Armor + Beast Champion Gauntlets + Lionel's Greaves.
Once I'm at 30, will be upgrading for better defensive stats for sure. But right now, it's more than enough. I stopped using summons for aggro as I wanted to challenge myself for my NG+ and beyond journey and having zero issues. Just need to rotation correctly in boss fights and don't be stingy with Cerulean Tear/magic damage increase for your physik. It's NOT just for comet azur cheese. Bloodhound Step is the KEY for harder boss fights like Melania etc. w.o summons.
@@PlayDohBear I can’t speak for hybrid builds but I can speak for straight cloth bearers. I don’t see it happening how anyone. An fight melenia without doing one of two things: either cheese it by using carinan retaliation, or you got good defense.
You can get away with low defense against the fire giant but I must have tried every single summon at 9+ no one can tank her. Black knife tiche on the other hand drops her life fast enough where cariama retaliation cheeses her just to get to second phase. I don’t believe anyone who can literally say they can solo melania 1v1 (I’m not saying that’s you) I’m speaking in general terms without good defense. She does that hand of malania skill that will mess you up and it’s almost impossible to dodge. You going to need a good shield to block and then dodge roll… all of that consumes stamina. The. You got to sprint and hope melania doesn’t go after you lol. Cloth can’t cut it. From software is cheating and no one’s calling them out for it. It’s probably why they left cheese exploits like carian retaliation untouched…. They feel guilty that it takes just 1 swipe and you’re dead… I don’t even wear mage gear anymore. Although the white snow outfit looks so cool, I can’t survive worth a lick if it’s a boss that is fast moving and that doesn’t get taunt by your summon….
Btw if you haven’t picked up on it, I cheese melania… I couldn’t stand that Bish…. And I know the commenters say I just suck, melania is no joke, especially for cloth armor. I’m level 257 when I first engaged her. And I was using top leveled gear, my staff was at +25 vigor at 45 mins at 55 INT at 78… none of that mattered when she does her skill…. Sliced me up like I was hot butter
@@PlayDohBear I finally beat malania when I grinded to boost endurance to 45, equip radahan armor lol. Carrian retaliation, got lucky a few times Tiche aggro her and a few lucky dodge rolls…. Second phase is pure mechanics…. Any boss that moves like her tho, cloth bearers are screwed without endurance
Great video. Thank you
You're welcome!
Nice vid, very helpful
Glad it helped! Thank you!
So what's the optimal numbers of strength and dex if you want efficiently use quality weapons? 55/55?
Really depends on your level and which state scales higher on the weapon itself. If it scales with both str and dex equally, then yeah, equal points to the level you want to aim for + having enough points for your other stats as well.
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Level 170 mage here, first ever FROMSOFT game played. Would this allocation for endgame be more then good enough?
Vigor: 42
Mind: 55
Endurance: 25
Strength: 16 (Mainly for Moonveil/Dark Moon Greatsword)
Dexterity: 20
Intelligence: 75 (80 with Talisman)
Faith, Arcane left as is.
That's great! No complaints here. Great allocation of points. I too like more mind to spam my spells LUL. I could see a case for perhaps 50 mind and 30 endurance if you want a bit more stamina for spell casting and dodging (plus equip load), but that's 100% a great distribution of stats. Make sure to have radagons icon to take advantage of that virtual 30 dex with your 20 points into Dex for faster cast speed. Great value!
Honestly, EVERYTHING in endgame does such absurd damage I can't ever see being below 60
@@Joker-nh6dd I like it though. Mostly everything is balanced.
@@PlayDohBear honestly couldn't disagree more. Videogamedunkey made a video about how the damage scaling feels crazy. Once I got into the mountains every enemy feels like it's doing double damage. Max softcap of 60 vigor, plus good armor, plus greatly reduce physical damage still gets 2 shot against malenia. In the other games thatd keep you alive for hours
@@Joker-nh6dd honestly as my first souls game, I didn't find those areas all that difficult. I've seen his video and from my friends who are souls veterans all agree this is the easiest game in the series. Idk if you played sekiro, but that shit made me alt f4 so fast haha.
The game can be easy or hard depending on how you play. Just level up a bit, get your upgrades and go back to the area. Personally I've come to love the difficulty factor and will revisit the past souls games. Makes those fights really worth it when you beat a boss.
Just my thoughts though. This game is hard, but does get extremely easier if you spend the time to spam some levels and go back.
Regarding Malenia, yeah she's just dumb LOL. Just use Black Knife Tiche upgraded. Will legit 1v1 her.
So I'm still slightly confused. For hybrid catalysts like the dragon communion seal does it only change the softcap for arcane so you wouldn't want to go past 45 arcane and then go 60 into faith? OR does that also change the faith softcaps to 30/45 as well?
It's just for arcane scaling that you see diminishing returns for hybrid catalysts after 45. You can definitely keep leveling arcane, but what you used to get in 5 levels, past 45 will take 15. You'll still get more damage with your incantations if you spec into arcane vs faith (for example 45 faith and 60 arcane is 351 scaling vs. 60 faith and 45 arcane being 345 scaling).
For more in depth on how each point allocates to your scaling damage, you should check out the weapon calculator. Weapon calculator can be found in the video description form my Sorcery Scaling video.
@@PlayDohBear Thank you so much for putting all this info out there and such a quick reply. You got yourself a new sub.
@@m9l5t1 passing out now. Do check out that weapon calculator. If your main concern is incantations doing damage, it will help you min max your scaling.
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Verry well done my freind..
Thank you Ghost!
Great video! Do you know what is the Incant scaling soft cap on Faith for the Dragon Communion seal?
It's mentioned in this video at the end (arcane section). You can also check out my seals video here: ua-cam.com/video/susWb8pzSyM/v-deo.html - Since it is a hybrid seal, 30/45. You can def take it higher too, but depends on what level you are focusing on. 60 arcane is a nice place to stop and focus points elsewhere until you can go back and max it out to 70-80 for the late late game, along with faith. The dragon comm seal scales better with arcane (but also needs faith too for more scaling) so def want more points into arcane until you have enough to dump and make them both even. I even use an example with this exact same seal in the seals video I linked. Chapter is "Weapon Calculator Example." Highly recommend you take a look.
Very helpful 👌👍
You're very welcome Haris! Glad you enjoyed it and found it helpful!
Now I can bring my dex to 80. I always thought 60 was the best.
Ended up going to 40 endurance on my current playthrough. I want to use my heavy armor and Great shield without losing talisman slot.
Hell yeah! I know what you mean though, those talisman slots are precious.
Great video, but I feel like your recommendation for leveling endurance is way too low, unless the player is either a lightweight mage or cleric/faith build. I would almost always recommend leveling endurance to at least 35, if not 40 for the equipment load and for the stamina. No one likes running out of stamina too quickly in a fight and no one likes fat rolling because they're equipment load is just too low.
This is focusing around the lvl 125-150 mark, which I don't think much builds have more than 30 endurance from the research I did when making this video. Of course it's only a recommendation and if people need more points into Endurance they can go that route. But with only so many stat points to mess around with, dumping 35-40 for this level can hurt in other areas. Basically my thought process on why I recommended 25-30.
Yeah I’m a mage and I got my endurance at 36 lol… I need it cause my summons lose aggro and I get one shit using cheap mags gear
If you're constantly running out of stamina at 30 you're doing something wrong
@@protonjones54 not if you want to wear better armor man…. There are bosses like malania where you can’t simply dodge roll their specialize skill (hand of melania)
Or the dragon that you fight after using the needle (don’t remember the name). Even Radenia fight you will run out of stamina if you don’t have enough on endurance plus one hit off of the elden stars (you would know what I’m talking about if you got past that part) it does a half second stun on you and when the rest of those beams hit you and you’re wearing cloth lol…. Audios …. Only bragger who says they beat these bosses who claim to beat them with low endurance cheese they boss. I’ve seen too many video of it especially tons of people who speed run… playing the game the “regular way” will have you running out of stam quick and be squishy if your endurance is below 30…
@@marlonestrella8105 dude I beat both those bosses with 25-30 end (it was probably 30, I don't quite remember), while wearing medium armor. I wasn't naked, I wasn't using a knife, I wasn't constantly out of breath from losing stamina. If you're a caster with 36 end and you're still getting one-shotted by enemies then maybe stop running around nude with 20 vigor?
I watch Netflix while using my sacred relic sword wave of gold to farm runes. Takes me 1.5 million runes to level up now.
Great video
Question : Do Talismans affect softcap gains? For example: Talisman raises STR by 5, sending me over the STR soft cap of 55, all the way to 60. Would I be receiving the bad diminished returns for going over 55? (Rendering the Talisman "not optimal" for the build)
Yes, Talismans that add attributes will affect your soft caps. It's not that big of a deal though from 55-60 if the talisman is helping you out with another stat. I still use my +5 to INT talisman to hit the final soft cap of 80.
@@PlayDohBear I see. Thank you for the swift reply sir
@@ahnoobys No problem :3
@@PlayDohBear good to know!
Side note on Mind : at 40 Mind, with potions +12 (ceiling) you refill your entire mana bar. Go over 40 and the potion won't refill your mana bar entirely if you're at 0 mana.
So increasing Mind over 40 is nearly useless, as you will only make your "first" mana bar bigger. Same could be said about your HP bar, but you must go over 40 Vigor to take some of those late game big hits.
I mentioned this in the video as well. There is a benefit to more mind as you do have more FP in your first rotation which is nice to have. Can cast those bigger spells for longer/chain them. While it may take 2x potions to get a full bar, having the luxury to cast more spells w.o having to refill as much is nice, especially paired with higher endurance.
For more builds in the 125-150 mark 40 mind is not a bad place to stop. I'm not sure on PvP specifics and what not, but I'm sure there are other use cases for +40 mind.
@@PlayDohBear my bad, I missed it.
@@Sniperkitten971 you're chilling my man!
i like to go to 50 mind so you have a little wiggle room with when you flask, helps a lot with timing.
@@LouSaydus Also just nice to not have to always worry about popping a flask too early etc.
Perhaps I went a little too low on vigor with my faith/dex build. I stopped roughly at Radahn with 35 vigor
You can always respec, but 35 is fine!
I go 40 first on almost every build. Makes the game soooo much easier, particularly when upgrade materials are scarce since you don’t start hitting massive scaling gains until the higher + weapon levels.
The difference in a D scaling weapon at 40 str verses 15 is minimal. At A scaling it’s huge.
@@kevinc8955 When you hit end game and kill the final boss, you can farm for runes super fast and buy every crafting material that is relevant up to +9 and +24. That's what I'm doing right now haha. STOCKING UP!
Do you know if bleed effects from incantations (like swarm of flies) also scale with arcane if you use an arcane-scaling seal? I'm curious if those bleed effects/procs would also cap at 45
@SunStealer the only pure backloaded seal is the Erdtree Seal (max soft cap at 80) and that only scales off of faith. All other seals are frontloaded so they are hybrid. Their soft caps are going to depend on the hybrid stats, for arcane thats 30/45. If you have like a FAITH + SRT seal, then you have to account for those soft caps, which differ from arcanes 30/45.
Swarm of flies damage doesn't scales at all, no matter how much arcane you have. I've checked this spell on Malenia with 80 and 16 arcane with fully upgraded dragon seal and not upgraded other seal and didn't seen any difference in damage of proc, always was ~2300. Also didn't noticed increasing of bleeding proc speed.
@@pabloescobar406 Not sure on its interaction but it does do great damage for certain bosses. Bleed doesn't see much after 45 arcane (blood loss build up) and remember no seal scales with only arcane that well (even the dragon comm, although it is the best for pure arcane - but don't get this confused as you'll need points into both arcane and faith to see its scaling increase). You need points into the stats that the seals scale with to see your increased damage output. Check out my seals scaling video for more information on this.
@@pabloescobar406 it doesnt increase the bleed damage (hard capped at 10% on bosses) , but it does increase the status build up. This might not be enough to be noticeable on a boss.
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I was playing so wrong, I got my Int/Fai to 99 and forgot that I should have leveled Arc to 45, no wonder my dragon moves weren't very effective
Hi thanks nice video, may I ask what’s hybrid catalyst?
It's listed in the video! Skip to the arcane section and take another look.
I’m a ridiculously high level character, level 483. Would this work?
60 Vig
60 Mind
60 End
80 Str
80 Dex
80 Int
80 Fth
60 Arc
I'm level 100+ but I plan to stop at level 125 and I have bleed build. I'm sorry I'm too dumb cuz Idk how to allocate stats this is my 1st rpg. What do u suggest my stats will be? Sorry for my bad english
So for a bleed build, you def want at least 45 into arcane, as that is going to be the first soft cap (as arcane affects bleed damage). After 45 it's going to drop off. The next you have to decide what weapon you're going to be using. Let's take Rivers of Blood for example. You would want to hit a nice soft cap for dex as this weapon scales with dex better than strength. Make sure you also have the stats to wield the weapon too. It also scales with arcane, but we have that covered.
If we look at Samurai as a starting class, it has 12 vigor, 12 strength (enough to wield the katana) 15 dex, 8 arcane.
So 37 into arcane gives us 45.
40 into dex gives us 55.
28 into vigor gives us 40.
This leaves us 20 points to work with. Probably would put 12 into endurance and the remaining 8 can go where ever (maybe strength because the katana also scales with strength) Mind could also be an option, but I'm not sure if that's ideal.
NOTE: I am not very familiar with a bleed/arcane build so I'm just going off the soft cap numbers (also very new to souls myself). You'll also need to utilize talismans etc. Maybe there are some good UA-cam videos that explains a similar build. I'm sure a few are out since Arcane got fixed with the patch yesterday. Hope this helps!
@@PlayDohBear Thank you so much this is really helpful you earned a sub the moment I finished watching your video . Have a great day
@@wrath2857 You're very welcome and I appreciate it! Have a great day yourself :D
Mathematically, this interpretation of a soft-cap is too arbitrary to be useful. There are several problems with it:
1) Usually there is no single point where returns from a stat begin to decline. Vigor for example: it's true that you get less HP per point in vigor after 40, same after 60. But that's also true after 59 vigor (and after 48 vigor, and after 42 vigor, etc.). Why then don't we say there is a soft-cap at every point of vigor where you got more HP than you'll ever get again? Because people have arbitrarily decided that 40 and 60 make some imaginary cut-off (most likely because 40 and 60 are round numbers and are nice to look at).
2) This explanation doesn't account for deflated value of returns due to high base value. Hypothetically, let's say your base endurance is 1000 stamina. Let's say every level of endurance up to 90 gives you 1 point in stamina, and every level after 90 gives you 0 points. The explanation for soft-caps presented here would lead us to conclude that the soft-cap for endurance would be 90 endurance, giving you 1090 stamina. However, when we compare the gain per level to the amount available up front, we realize there is virtually no reason to spend 80 stat points on a less than 10% return on the base value of your attribute. This is an exaggeration, but it conveys the idea of what is actually happening to a lesser degree with stamina returns in Elden Ring.
3) Weapons that have different scaling and base damage types will have totally different soft-caps, and there is no way to meaningfully generalize the soft-caps for damage-stats across the board. Weapons that get C or less scaling might provide virtually no reasonable returns to AR, while A to S scaling might provide great returns all the way up to 99. Whether you are two-handing or not will affect when your strength returns cut-off. Even a weapon that has B or higher scaling in intelligence, if the intelligence damage type on the weapon (magic?) has low base damage, it may still provide virtually no contribution to your weapon's potential AR.
I've pointed out some problems, but what would solve these and still give us a useful definition of a soft cap? Here is what I propose: A soft cap is defined as the final level in a stat or group of stats at which at least above-average returns are made on a target attribute. How do we mathematically define 'above-average' in this case? By looking at the total amount of the attribute available at maxed stats. Let's look at some examples:
VIGOR: the maximum amount of HP available (excluding talismans for simplicity) is 2100 HP at 99 vigor. 2100 divided by 99 vigor gives us an average of 21.21 HP per point in vigor. So, the soft cap for vigor would be 53, which is the last level in vigor that gives you above 21.21 (53 vigor gives you 22 more HP).
MIND: the FP available at 99 mind is 450. 450 divided by 99 mind gives you 4.55 FP per level. The soft cap for mind, then, would be 59, which gives you 5 more FP (60 and after only give you 4 or less FP).
STAMINA: This one may be surprising: the max stamina at 99 endurance is 170. 170 divided by 99 endurance gives you 1.72 stamina per level. The soft-cap for endurance is actually 11, since at 12 or more endurance, you get less than 2 stamina per level on average. The only real reason to invest in endurance in Elden Ring is for equip load, which would have a more complex soft-cap calculation depending on what you are trying to get out of it (poise, armor, a certain type of roll, etc.).
Finally, when it comes to weapons, the approach would be the same, except AR is calculated with 5 potential stats instead of 1. Because of this, when looking at the average returns on a weapon, you'd consider the max AR when str, dex, int, fth and arc are 99, and divide that AR by 495. Using this method, it becomes clear that every weapon and affinity has a soft cap unique to its scaling and damage types (as well as whether you are two-handing).
Let's reject arbitrary round numbers and embrace a more scientific approach to move the build making in our souls community forward. :)
Leveling UP dont do jackshiet..aside just allowing you to equip whatever weapons/skills/spells. Enemies scale UP as you go even in first play through...
Definitely Stamina and Dex..because there's NO FLASK for these.
If you go into NG+..It's mostly to just collect golden seeds /cups..
So you'll get more flasK or increase HP/FP replenish.
( DON'T level Up..aside more Stamina/Dex)
Well..becuase You're not going to kill anything faster..aside being able
to spam casting/wacking/rolling or carry 2 giant swords/hammer without rolling
like a tank and use LESS Flask
@John Hooper it dose exist. Im at level 445.
My stats are 65 60 60 75 75 70 70 50 ( ENEMIES scale/lv UP as you go)
The game dosnt get easier.
It's actaully harder or I move SLOWER. The SLOW MOTION combat is
WONKY but i can wear/equip/cast ...whatever I damn please.
STAMINA is actually HARD CAP at 50..but I dont like rolling like a TANK.
I also need to equip green turtle talisman to increase stamina refill speed.
My defense NEGATION is high enough ...I dont need to wear funkie head
gears.
The RUNES also gets CAP after 2nd play through.
Im in NG+4...the rune drops remain the same after NG+2
Im on pare to how I play most RPG games 400-500 hrs is when I stop playing..I still havnt finished all the quest. it's okay. A year from now
I'll still have all my stats...I can through an entire new game plus
in a day if i want. goof around with any weapons.spells as I please.
Im used to the SLOW MOTION combat...from fighting Diamon 2nd form
in D.D....it's the only time it'll happen in that game due to ANIMATION mechanics. It's ANNOYING to me...Holy WOW, talk TELEGRAPH moves...lmao
it's in all ER's combat mechanics though.
What else can I say....They use the OLD game engine.
@John Hooper I dont think Im going to level up anymore .
I dont need to..I can cast any spells..wearing armor or equip any weapon.
In a nutshell...play whatever style of combat I want.
I dont even use any crack tears or arch ruines ( dont need to)
If use an arch ruine my HP will increase from 2000 to 2500 but dont use it.
It's neither here or there..becuase the entree heal..heals around 80%
of my health. I seldom let my health get below 50% to begin with...but
sometimes...I get gang wack.lol
I spend less time drinking heal flash and get in more attacks.
If the combat goes a little longer..i just heal or cast golden vow.
to increase my strength and defense
I might need to use 1 FP flask in most boss fights...
Becuase my weapons use FP
If i get ONESHOT attempts ( it happens)..i'll just spamm entree heal.lmao
2-3 HP flask at most if goes sideways.
I have 10-ea FP flask allocated...i seldom use the HP flask.
I hate cycling the D-PAD.lol
Im getting to put the game away....waiting for DLC
@John Hooper well...I died more from falling off ledges than fiighting bosses.lmao If it wasnt for the farming glitch or sacred sword killing ET
Id be really really PISSED...because boss fights only give me 1.08M ruines
I need almost 2.5M to just lv Up.lmao ( it's still tedious no matter how I do it) it takes less time..if I dont glitch...but it's boring.lmao
im at 65 60 60 75 75 75 70 50.
it's all SWEET. lmao
I can still died in boss fights. it's 50/50 that I still do because
I dont press the heal button fast enough.lmao
My combat style had also changed....Im better at combating
less the target lock...when in close combat.
or toggle it on/off quicker for range attacks.
So to me...it's BALANCE. The combat is still challenging.
I just get to goof around more...becuase Im not afraid to die
I have second sets of all my favorite weapons. I could easily
just not max them out.
Yeap..I wished they gave us console player more save files.
Im stuck with ONE
I still don't understand the difference between frontloaded and backloaded casting weapons
Frontloaded = scaling from 20-60 | Backloaded is scaling from 60-80 for staffs/seals.
So useful, coming from nioh/nioh2 this shit is so confusing 😭😭😭😭
You're welcome!
Good info. A graph would’ve been helpful to show the data.
my question is wtf is the point/purpose of a cap?? why can’t we be as strong as we want?..
Haha 99 in all stats goes brrr
for a dex/arcane bandit bleed build with some faith for black knife what would my stats look like
Hard to say without knowing your level or what you're aiming for. Just do your best to follow the softcaps to an extent then allocate to your secondary and third attributes. I'm not too familiar with a good portion of the game. Mostly a mage main :3 This should point you in the right direction though.
what is the soft cap for arcane when it comes to inflicting status ailments? is it capped at 50 or 80
30/45 - as the only status effects for arcane is bleed/poison. Mentioned in the arcane section briefly.
@@PlayDohBear doesnt it affect madness aswell?
@@Gopstop222 you're right, but, only with the dragon comm seal. Not sure on the exact numbers.
So at lvl 580 I can hit all the soft caps. Almost half way there.
My first souls game here !
I been tryng to make all my stats 60-80, int is 60 str is 40 everything else is 30 , am I doing this wrong ? Lol
Nah you're fine. Although if your going mage, pump int to 80, then focus on whatever your secondary and third stat. At some point you're gonna be able to get to every stat the more you level.
Although 40 str is way too much of you are going mage. Should only have enough for the weapons u want to equip. My first souls game too! Stat allocation will depend on what build you want to play.
@@PlayDohBear I appreciate ur reply my dude !! Idk what build I'm going for I just used int @ 60 because magic was killing the bosses for me lol 😆 , but I wanna be able to use everything, is this possible or is not worth it ? 🤔 should I go with specific build, I like being op
@@redsungaming yeah Def go with a specific buiid you can min/max because it will be stronger. Then once youre like level 300+ you can do whatever you want really. You'll have stats for any buiid.
@@PlayDohBear thanks bro much love keep up the videos, currently level 189 lvl 300+ here I come !!! I use moonveil and staffs rn it's op but bleed and madness players still fuck me up ! Gg's
@@redsungaming not much of a pvper myself. But abuse blood hound step. Pro dodging xD.
so if i wanna do a dragon communion seal build my best bet would be hybrid weapons intead of single atrribute S-scaling weapons? cause arcane doesnt give the spells any damage above 45 and i would benefit more across the board by putting the rest into faith? but are there arcane/faith scaliong weapons?
There are no weopons that scale with both but don't let that stop you from putting more points into each depending on what weapons you're using. Bleed builds benefit from higher arcane and a weapon like the blasphemous blade (as an example) scales off of faith.
So you can hit the upper soft caps for each to get better damage scaling for your weapons of choice.
Sure, those upper soft caps won't scale with your incantations but your melee options will receive a pretty substantial increase in DMG output.
Weapon can be anything you really want it to be. That's going to be preference, but at least one that does scale with arcane (arcane/Dex is hot). Keep in mind bleed does scale with arcane but anything past 60 arcane for bloodbuild up is negative, but for blood stack bonus and for weapons that do have arcane scaling, you can take it up to 80 (late game). Keep in mind that you can dual weild the dragon communion seals to get an additional 15% damage for dragon spells. Level doesn't matter on the seal in your off hand.
I’m confused so with gravel stone seal do I need 50 or 60 faith
Check out my seal scaling video to decide how much you want to invest in faith for this seal vs it's scaling. Linked in the video description :)
I’m still confused if it’s your own level or the level of the attribute
Level of the attribute.
@@PlayDohBear thank you so much!
@@RK-rn4re yes sir!
So basically anything over 80 intelligence isnt necessary ?
Yep. Eventually you want to get it to 99, but that's like SUPER late game. Many other stats to focus on before then.
When you say level
Do you mean
Visible level ( level 62 wretch )
Or do you mean per stat
As in
Level 1 wretch has 10 everything
If I add levels to my vigor do I stop when I have reached level 40 or when my vigor has reached 40
These numbers are for the individual level of your current attribute. Yep, you would stop when reaching lvl 40 on your vigor stat. These are NOT for your character level.
Thanks brother !!
@@tyleralbert9487 anytime!
I’m new to souls games I wanna run any melee plus a staff to change things up sometimes what does anyone think on how I should spread out my stats i understand the vid but just wanna get the best out of both world plus have a fair bit of health
I'd say just have fun and if you happen to make a mistake here or two, you can always respec!
Can I get the link for this website, please? 😊
It's in the video description :D
@@PlayDohBear doh! Thanks!
@@x2ndbreakfst Np xD
I thought Intel and Faith had a soft cap at 55?
Not for sorceries/incantations.
If i max all my stats that means that is bad ?....
I'm a tad confused then, so overall there's no point leveling an attribute to 99, you may as well level you build to the hard caps and lets say you can max level your character to all the hard caps. Would there be no point to continue leveling if they're just going to have diminishing returns?
I hope this makes sense and please elaborate if anyone can.
Hard caps are always 99 in this game, as you can't go past it. That being said, you can definitely take your stats up to 99, but focus on your other stats once you hit the soft cap, because at this point in the game, no reason to take anything to 99. That's a luxury you'll have when you're level 300++
@@PlayDohBear okay awesome!! Thank you so much for the info!!!
@@lordmaxeimo3460 yw
I get soft caps but after 1 playthorugh i get to level 450...so i dont have to think critically anymore :)))
Ahaha! Yess! That is the way. Best way to not worry about soft caps! Level up and fulfill that power fantasy!
wow glad i looked at this, didnt think some stats would only get good returns per level at higher levels, which is why i didnt spend much in mind so far.. time to sacrifice some fetuses..
My man! Min/max away!
The “caster” stat in bloodborne for instance actually scales best from 60 to 99. Most of the older games this doesn’t happen though.
@@BLeePrit interesting! Great to know (ER being my first souls game).
I dont see how anyone can play this game at Lv 150 or 200
Im at lv326 .... 60 50 60 60 60 60 32 30
I still need to invest in Faith and arc...So I can USE SPELLS..
GTFO...Im not shuffling stats around..that's ANNOYING to manage that rebirth BUllshiet
just so you can use different weapons or cast different spells.
It sucks that stamina is CAP at 50..you still need MORE to wear armor or use great swore..ect Not unless you wanna be glass.
Lv 400 or 500 to get to 80 intel/dex...ect and that if I shuffle crap around.
In a nutshell...you need to MAX OUT lv 750 to have anything close to 80
This needs to be a 120 fps
No just focus on vigor until you reach second soft cap and then move on to other stats 😒
Screw balance
1440p? 60 fps? you monster
In the souls community, it was established that the second softcap is know as the hardcap
Everything I've seen says otherwise. Hard caps are called hard caps because you simply cannot go past that value, in this case 99. I've looked at various posts on past Dark Souls games and hard caps have always been identified at 99 even though there are poor diminishing returns after x attribute.
Pvp is blood rot
Fk blood rot!
Lol my man why I use it on bosses
and yet, the totorial tells you that the soft cap on all stats is 40 =w= iunno how peoples come up with these tables. you should not have parts like "or so" in stuff like this too. it shows that the person who made it isnt sure about it and kills the entire list anyways because you cannot longer believe anything in this list because the person who made it isnt sure if it gives this or that.
Numbers are gathered by testing in game. It's just very time consuming. These numbers are accurate for the attributes. There are different levels of soft caps 🧢
@@PlayDohBear and yet, the totorial says that 40 is the soft cap for every stat ... thats why i say its weird why peoples do lists like this even tho the totorial is like "at 40 get you deminishing returns" >_>.
i did a rebirth on my char just now and i did not seen any deminishing returns on int until 40 on my moonveil. same on dex. then i went to the river of blood and looked into arcane, no diminishing returns until 40 where it got greatly decreased on weapon scaling ... so i have literarly no idea on what you guys base all this. i went further and did the thing on the starcaller weapon aswell about strength. (the one from radahn) same aswell, no diminishing returns until 40 and it got worse on 60. some things in those lists is wrong.
TLDR; i rather trust what the games tells me then a list which "guesses" that it is like this. fact is, the totorial ingame says that the softcap on all stats starts at 40. so i dont know why peoples even make those lists .... -_-.
@@curumon same
This game is trash compared to the other souls games it's just tedious and boring after awhile with so much reskinned mobs and bosses, so much broken stuff in it aswell. I'd say this is tied with DS2 as being my least favourite in the franchise.
Never played any other souls game and didn't care for them. Tried this out after my friends said I wouldn't regret it and here we are. I should play the other ones now for sure, but still have a lot to do in elden ring.
@@PlayDohBear ah right, you should check out the other games as it's just dark souls 4 lol. It starts off good enough but after awhile it's just the same thing over and over not in a good way it just goes on for far too long with zero clues with how to progress the main story! They fkd up by making it open world, people giving it perfect scores are just blinded fanboys lol. For one or two things it does right it takes another 100 steps back imo. I actually hate it and it shows how Fromsoft have ran out of ideas and they just made the game difficult cos they think that's all their fans care for! I could rant all day about it but sure lol. Major disappointment as a souls fan.
@@JohnDoe-pu5gk I didn't mind the open world. Was super overwhelming at first, but didn't mind it too much. I think the difficulty is as easy as you want it to be. I went on a farm journey and the mage route and well, what bosses LUL. The annoyance in missing out on loot from not doing certain quests or side quests were mad annoying though. But trading exists so not too bad.
@@JohnDoe-pu5gk bro u have no idea what you are talking about.. If ur opinion on the game is like that, then u have barely played my dude..
@@JohnDoe-pu5gk like that comment was such a joke. And u call yourself a souls fan lmao.. I think it's a matter of Get Gud..