Mike Brown is a bad ass dude for (I think) 53 years old but beating The regular amateur guys and taking away there chances to have bragging rights that they won at LL’s just isn’t right!! It’s called Loretta Lynn’s AMATEUR nationals . Hate me if you want but guess what IDGAF Give the amateur guys a chance!!
I Agree 110%. everyone saying let them race would be bitching if local A riders raced in the C class..... Factory Pro's take Amateur titles is wrong on every level... Give them their own class....
This is true if he wants he can go race against pros of his caliber but going to LL just to gap everyone is dumb we all saw how salty he was when shorty beat him
I’ve said it for years, I think it’s sand bagging. They need to make a retiree class where anyone who was a top 10 pro or champion you race your own class. Know for a fact that’s dudes work they’re ass off all year just to able to afford Loretta’s to have an ex pro show up and wax everyone.
So,,,, you can't race IF, You won a national or GP title. You scored a pro point. You won 5 bucks at the fairgrounds. You beat someone that won 5 bucks at the fairgrounds. Your dad is rich and you never went to school or worked a day in your life.... You are poor as dirt, but FAST and get free bikes. This is how all the cryin' little girlieboys sound to me.
@@randyroberts4239*girly boys you geriatric tard. There should be a class for retired pros bc the majority of the other guys on that gate work their ass off at a real job with very little support . I get why some guys like it but if you can’t see why there are some valid concerns then you’re just delusional. Like sending prime Nolan Ryan into pitch a church league game lol
@@edwindobner8069 I left a nice detailed comment earlier, but here's an addition. I believe there should be an Vet Pro class as it would be awesome to see former factory and factory support riders hauling ass on the track. I love the idea of being an amateur, vet rider and being able to go up against former factory stars and champions. I think these former pros should be allowed to mix it up with, let's say A class, or Vet 40 or 50 plus riders who are equivalent to B class racers. Former pros should have to sit out a certain amount of time, like at least 10 years after they retire. Obviously, it would not be o.k. to have Ryan Villipoto retire from a factory ride and the next season go and race Loretta's. It could easily be done where you have 2 classes together on the same track. Vet pros with 40 plus or A or B class. It would be cool to see how fast one thinks one is or was when riding against the former pros. Technically, pro means you're getting paid. Amateur, no money involved.
I think is great that ex-pros are racing, but it would be nice if they could break up the vet classes by B/C and PRO/A class. I believe you have enough competitors to fill both classes.
@@mattburkeen820 they could format it similar to Mammoth, it would be a longer week. It is broken up specific days of racing via categories/blocks: Vet, Minis, and Big Bikes. You can stay for the whole week or just your specific block/categories.
He won the 50 plus and got 2nd in 40 plus. He did not take anything away from anyone No body 40plus is going anywhere but to have a good time at racing motocross. He is super healthy and fast and has all the right in the world racing these 2 classes. Now if Jett came and raced the 450 class or Degan ran the 250 class would be a different story. 40 plus and 50 plus is more than likely older guys just having fun still doing what they love.
Hell no its amateur national have a class for anybody that ever had a pro card or only let real amateurs I'm 45 and been trying my hole life to make it and may never make it but can't hang with pros that's for sure
Coombs said "Many people want to race against their heroes" Ugh, no. I grew up riding with the fastest guys in the world on my own personal tracks. They are just people. I want to race in a class where I have a chance....
Your opinion is very valid, but at the same time I would love to line up against former factory riders even though I'm in my fifties and maybe have the skills somewhere between intermediate a and pro. If the planets aligned I might become an A class rider. I doubt I could be good enough to get a full pro licence - 'ya never know.
Seems odd these pro's would want to beat a bunch of amateurs. With all the experience of being a Pro they have an advantage over guys just racing on the side. I think they should be able to participate but scored separately. Lots of guys never had the opportunity of being PRO and all that goes with it so for those guys to lose their podium spots seems kind of low in my opinion. Give the real amateurs a moment in the sun IMHO.
I can’t believe there are ppl that say “no those guys are honored to get dusted by all timers” lol it’s like sending current lebron James into a 40+ pick up game at the local Y, and he’s not just messing around hes yamming on mfs and calling fouls bc someone stripped him and scored 😂
I tried explaining to a buddy of mine (who knows jack shit about racing) just how fast guys like Mike Brown are, even tho hes over 50 years old. He gave me a condescending laugh and said he'd smoke him around a track. My clueless friend thinks hes faster than everyone because he has a 450r quad and does some wheelies in his yard. Some people have no clue.
I never had a clue then I started racing. And my arse got clued in real quick how fast the 40a snd 50a local riders are. Unfathomable to the non-racer.
I was a good local rider. Doing the 1980s I lived next to a lot of factory riders. We built a track that part of it was on my land. I got to ride with them and know their mechanics. I watch them work out. Some of them gave me a lot of advice. I did become faster and my bike became better. I didn’t need to worry about replacing parts. I also got to ride a number of works bikes. Some of them were what you dream of owning. Some were set up real firm or had power bands that were strange. I may of had the best riding school ever. But what these guys are is what many dream of being. I can tell you they did not have that easy of a life. Hard work and do you have a job next year. But for many seeing these guys and watching them ride is amazing. Finding out how fast they can go is shocking. But measuring yourself against the best is what it is all about.
This has pissed me off for a long time now. Ex pros smoking the field of true amateurs. Total BS! Have a retired pro class on the national schedule or their own separate class at Loretta's!
I tuned into Loretta’s last year to find out who the next big stars will be, and all the coverage was on Emig and Brown. I was thinking to myself “haven’t these guys got enough attention in their careers?!” But didn’t want to be rude and type it out. I think the internet is filled with too much negativity so I try to avoid it. But to answer your question it’s very weird seeing old pros racing an amateur national.
Well what is the name of the event?🤔🤔The “Amateur” Nationals. That’s what the focus should be. Not a bunch of former pros that get bored. Now is there room for a class for a bunch of old pro’s? Sure
Exactly - there are a lot of races around the country that that the ex Pro's can race in. I.E. Tons out at Glen Helen and other races. Let true amateur's that don't have their pro license yet race other amateurs.
Absolutely not. If they want to make a class for ex-pros then make it. Anyone who scored SX or MX points should not be able to race in the regular classes at LL. You had former champions racing in the "Amateur" races
It was great to see J-Law, Short, Emig and Brown race but IMO they shouldn't be allowed to race the "age" classes. Ex pro's of a certain level should be limited to the "Open Pro" classes only at LL. Let the true amateurs race each other in the age classes.
It seems unfair but M Brown's performance is enviable, in addition to his experience and athletic build, I can't imagine how wise he is when adjusting the bike, look at how the suspension works
If that's not sand bagging then I don't know what is, lorretas is for amatuers trying to get to the next level. I'm old enough to remember watching Mike brown race. Unfair in my opinion
Funny, get enough Pros in the class and they'll start bitching about lappers, yet they wouldn't even have a race if it weren't for sportsmen. Plus, they get endorsements, and other pay, for placing well. Put pros in their own class! It's why I stopped trying to get to Lorretta's. You can run them in the same class, they're just competing against themselves.
its not like the few pros that are there are the only ones at Lorettas complaining about lappers, i think its fine, they spent the money put in the work and its pro/am class anyways
His form and riding style is unlike anything else out there his age. He doesn’t ride like an old man, it’s incredible to see. A guy three times the age as these younger kids and can go just as fast and jump everything on the track.
@@tdupuy A separate class would lead to 15 bike gates, there's not that many former pros in the vet classes at lorettas. In my opinion it shouldn't matter what their past results are. It's about the best rider in that age group.
As far as the question, it depends. I think if you've had a certain amount of points in the pros, you shouldn't be allowed. Or if you've placed top 15 or something in any season. Plenty of dudes have pro cards who have only raced a few pro races and weren't necessarily competitive, so ones like that should be allowed, but certainly not former top guys. I'd like to see either stipulations on it, or some sort of specific class of vet pros.
The man lapped up to 6th place. They have multiple classes for 50s and minis alike. Why not something for former card holding professionals? Theres an emerging class of former professionals who still want (and should be able to) compete and race at LL. I just think there’s something inherently foul about former professionals who won titles and were legacy riders for factory teams (Andrew Short, American Honda) competing with the weekend warrior. It’s such an ass whooping that it takes away from the spirit of what it means to qualify and compete at LL.
Imagine showing up to play in the national amateur golf championship and seeing Tiger Woods there. The sportsman class was supposed to be for REAL amateurs but there were guys in both classes that had qualified for at least 1 outdoor national. Brandon Haas and Shane Kelleher. I'm fine with them racing but not in the same class I would be in.
The word amateur is literally in the events name. You wouldn’t see Michael Jordan and Scottie pippen showing up to an amateur basketball tournament. We love to watch the ex pros race it’s like a freakin all star race but have a separate class like a 25+ pro and 40+ pro we’re not saying don’t let them reason just not against amateurs
just make a "rocking chair" class...its for retired pros and its an open type class for those who want to test their skills against a former pro racer. Let the old pro farts duke it out 🙂, it'll be a crowd pleaser! and, for those non pros who want to race and say...I lined up next to a former pro! it'll be some awesome stories they get to tell their buddies! win win!
I’ve raced Brown a few times and I’m glad he’s there to push myself to new levels… without guys like him racing in the 50s class there’s nothing to shoot for at this age
I think we will see more veterans and legends racing LLMX after their careers end. Might turn into the legends class people want 😅 imagine the draw a guy like Villopoto would bring! But that said, keep LLMX about the amateurs first and foremost.
I must be missing something. I thought the amateur nationals had very specific rules about which vet classes former Pros (I think it's 25 national points?) can race. Like there are age groups every five years, but the former pros are restricted to only the 10-year classes? I'm certain Kieffer and Emig talked about this last year.
Dove tailing my last comment, nix one of the 20 mini classes and create a champions class that spares vet riders from being lapped twice by true professionals who were likely posters on some of these riders walls growing up. It has caused such a rustle in the pits, I believe it warrants a formal address by MxSports.
Wow...Brown looks ferocious -- better than a lot of our current 250 outdoor national pros. If there is room for controversy whether ex-pros like that should be allowed -- no.
@@mattburkeen820 We could introduce a "sandbager" award? All jokes aside, a rider was not able to make the national because he was not a professional rider.
It damn sure doesnt earn him any cool points. Guess the guy wasnt satisfied with his career and now feels the need to dominate the average joe. Pretty weird
My only question is why he didn't race a Triumph since he's heavily involved with that brand and has ridden the bike for a while now. He'd have to ride a 250 instead of a 350 but he obviously needs the challenge (i.e. Andrew Short). To me it feels like a lack of confidence in the Triumph making it all week.
Probably the parts and support isn’t there yet for anything but the 250F from them. KTM just switched a bunch of mxgp gasgas riders to orange too . Easier to manage
I just asked this in a different post asking how/why are Pro's racing at LL's which I thought was a 100% amateur event? I may not all the rules. IDK, great to see these former Pro's race, I want to see them ride but let's create a class just for them. If they were ever top 20, etc. or something. I know there is probably not an easy answer and whatever is chosen if any, all will still not agree. Now, back to your regular schedule program...
But in all seriousness. Take away a mini class and 250 c junior. And just do 30+ and +50 plus pro. Make 30+sportsman an open talent. Just never had a pro license. people cant really bitch at that point.
I look at this differently than others, if I was good enough to race LL (tried twice failed to qualify) as a vet rider at 45 or 50 plus I think it would be an honor to race against these guys, at that age it should strictly be for fun and if I needed a trophy go to a local series you can get one .Go have fun and enjoy a moto vacation the racing is always good
Exactly. I'm 33. Let's say trey canard showed up for a 30+ race. Amateur or local event. I'm just gonna be pumped to say I lined up with trey canard and raced him! Here in Oklahoma we had a state race a few months ago and robbie reynard raced 50+. My buddy Joe obviously got his waxed but how cool that he got to race reynard
If not Brown then Fro, JLaw, Keefer, Harrison, Hayes etc. cannot race either! In fact even the 25 plus former pro's are out. With that said some how the top three non pros should be given awards as well, especially a 50 year old non former pro National Champion.
I think that's what the sportsman's classes are for? but not sure There are quite a few guys in the 50+ that have held a pro license at some point in their career. I would like to see a 55+ or 60+ sportsman or A B classes.
I think its good for old pros to have somthing they can win and have somewhat of a career extension with but maybe not at the cost of amatures, should have a pro fossils class. I'm a 53 yr old vet in newzealand and the old pros are wicked, I normally get laped by a couple of em. Also in NZ we often get old pros burial the mx3 class. And there's a few of em... Darryl and Shane King Brothers, Josh coppins, Ben townley and other fast old dudes iv forgoten
I think for this age group he’s not pissing in anybody’s front loops , nobody is just trying to make a career at 40 or older , don’t see that he’s robbing anyone but separating the x pros from other 40 + isn’t a bad idea either . Give average joes gym a chance.
While I love watching Mike ride, he's amazing, I believe Shorty had the edge all along since he really challenged himself by riding the pro class too. Beating 2nd place by a minute is not challenging yourself. I suspected Shorty would come out on top. Kinda bitter-sweet racing pros, I remember bumping elbows with Mike thru the 1st turn at Muddy Creek, a lap later, he was gone in 1st, and I was relegated to 3rd behind Walker.
@@mattburkeen820 that’s what makes our world cool we all have our opinions and we’re still cool ! Well at least in Moto lol but if you stop and think about it you have to admit man it’s not fair but hell nothings fair in life, but it is what it is 👊🏻💯🤠
Not at the "amature" national. I do like seeing them and I think it would be better to have age based "vet" classes at select nationals. Perhaps rotate age 35, 45, 55 at every third MX national.
The reality of former top level racers who had factory rides or factory support is most of them, even in their fifties, are still fast enough to enter a national or supercross. They may or may not qualify for the main. Most don't race pro because they will lose money without serious sponsorship. Some had to retire do to injury, but with many years off, have had time to heal. They don't want to come in 32nd and be beaten at a national when in their glory days they were in the top 10. I like the idea that an amateur can ride with their heros from the old days. But, at the same time, they are taking glory away from amateurs who never made it to the top. I think it's kind of cherry picking. Should Jeremy Mc Grath be allowed to race Loretta's? Should Mike Tyson be allowed to enter the Olympics at 57? I think Chad Reed has been appearing at Red Bud amateur races. What would this class be called, Veteran Pro? It seems winning is the most important thing to a racer and a former pro would likely rather win a lower class race than come in last at a national. Ahh, if only I could win a race and get my first trophy. But some former team Honda racer is going to steal it away from me, so he can add it to the hundreds of trophies he has sitting in his garage. 😊
I like the guy from Piney Flats Tennessee. Been a fan my whole life. Maybe they should Have a Vet Legends class or whatever you wanted to call it. Like @FridgeMx said. Get a whole class of retirees!! Not just 3 guys that clean sweep the podium. Give us “never have beens” the possibility of a podium?? By the way , how’s the knee? Was at Muddy Creek when you pulled off. My buddy actually got his first ever overall win because you hurt your knee. Hated to see you tweak your knee. But my buddy Clay Hively has been eating your roost for years. Heal up pal. And one more thing. I think RacerX at Loretta’s films their races with potatoes!! Your cameras (Phone) whatever you film with is so clear my old vet eyes can see the races!! Good job camera crew and to your editing skills. Luke 9:62
I think Loretta's should truly be an AMATEURS National Championship and NOT the EX-Pro National Championship. It would be cool though as a vet to be able to say you were at the gate with legends like Emig, Short, and Brownie. Just you would know you didn't have a chance at a medal.
Sure, they have the sportsman class for non pro national points earning riders. Brownie is a Beast. Would be great if the oldest class there was a sportsman class though, not 45+. Maybe a 60+ Sportsman class 😜
You are 24 in the stands and a C rider. You are watching Jet Lawrence wrap up a championship ship title. Fast forward you ard now 54 and Jet is 50 racing the 50 class at loretta lynn. That is my case now, Emig, Brown and about down to 15th. I tryed for lorettas many times and will never make it in because of this, so i just give up trying .
@@vetmxlife you're a C-level rider in a mixed class (A-C). the only chance you ever had was driving down to the race and picking up a ticket because someone else didn't show. I'm not trying to shit on you. My father once thought it was a good idea to try to put me on his CR 500 and qualify in the B/C open class (I was a top novice in my local district that year and easily won that and the 125/250 areas). I went to the regional at Budd's and got thoroughly smoked. sorry bud. you never had a shot regardless of the occasional Emig or Brown in your bracket. Mixed brackets (even if it's just B/C) are really only for the top level riders when it comes to national races like Loretta's. No "C+" rider is qualifying for Loretta's unless there wasn't enough interest in the class to fill the regional gates, and even then, he'd have zero shot at a decent finish in the national.
@@daneg I agree, that is why I stopped trying, my only big races I compete in every year is the Mini O's in Gainesville Fl and the Ricky Carmichael Daytona Amateur Supercross.
I don't understand what your first post about having to race against retired Jett Lawrences 30 years later was all about. you're a perennial C-rider. you're a weekend warrior. you're entirely noncompetitive. your inability to get to Loretta's isn't because there are A- and ex- pro riders in your class. it's because you've been riding for 30+ years and haven't even made it out of the C-class. I'm not trying to shit on you, but Loretta's is the biggest amateur mx event in the world. it's a very competitive event. did you see the 250C race? those guys were TRIPLING every lap. it's disengenuous for you to point to ex-pros 25+ years after they've retired and say "that's why I gave up on Loretta's," which you did in your first post.
Regardless they get their class or not the amateur National will never be fair in ver classes. You have to many guys that should had scored points or could had scored points that will be in those classes. You have guys that own their on training facilities that have the top of the line bikes and train year round.
Absolutely especially in the plus classes even in the Pro Sport class if you finish behind one of the past pros your getting a job if you beat the past Pros you might get to negotiate your contract 😆
i believe it is ok for them to race. there are a couple of "spotsman" classes that they cannot race in like 30+ and 45+. I think it would be even better though if they made a vet pro class and get some money involved to bring out some others like villopoto, stewart, mcgrath, etc. Could be interesting and fun!
I don't get why the plus classes are the show at TN anymore. They are all ex pros. I think the C class is where the emphasis should be. That and the PW class.
Racing is racing, if you are not good enough to race anyone that shows up then at least race them and ya might learn something for next time. Otherwise if you dont like who shows up to race you because they are better currently, then you are not there to race in the first place. Its just racing. I will say with mike being vet pro......it really looked like he missed his setup, that bike was all over the place.
His sick as, that's what you get when you don't stop riding and it's got nothing to do with age. My last official race at a state level was in 2000 I'm 56 and still pounding out laps and it's no oldman show either 🤣🤣🤣. Just to throw salt into there wounds I'm on a KX250 06 2stroke that keeps me firing on all 8 cylinders. 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Mike Brown is a bad ass dude for (I think) 53 years old but beating The regular amateur guys and taking away there chances to have bragging rights that they won at LL’s just isn’t right!! It’s called Loretta Lynn’s AMATEUR nationals . Hate me if you want but guess what IDGAF Give the amateur guys a chance!!
I Agree 110%. everyone saying let them race would be bitching if local A riders raced in the C class..... Factory Pro's take Amateur titles is wrong on every level... Give them their own class....
They should have a class for them but they are diffently not amateurs.
He was 6th if he raced 250 prosport they said time wise. 🤪
@@CraigRay-mj2iothey should only be allowed in the plus 35+ and up classes. That way you don’t have amateurs battling with veteran PROfessionals!
This is true if he wants he can go race against pros of his caliber but going to LL just to gap everyone is dumb we all saw how salty he was when shorty beat him
I’ve said it for years, I think it’s sand bagging. They need to make a retiree class where anyone who was a top 10 pro or champion you race your own class. Know for a fact that’s dudes work they’re ass off all year just to able to afford Loretta’s to have an ex pro show up and wax everyone.
Kinda hard to sandbag an age class when you’re in older than the age required
Separate class for former pros. Ex pro class
Coombs said it would be OK for Floyd Mayweather to box amateurs if he didn't hold a pro license for 3 years on Vital..
So,,,, you can't race IF,
You won a national or GP title.
You scored a pro point.
You won 5 bucks at the fairgrounds.
You beat someone that won 5 bucks at the fairgrounds.
Your dad is rich and you never went to school or worked a day in your life....
You are poor as dirt, but FAST and get free bikes.
This is how all the cryin' little girlieboys sound to me.
@@randyroberts4239*girly boys you geriatric tard. There should be a class for retired pros bc the majority of the other guys on that gate work their ass off at a real job with very little support . I get why some guys like it but if you can’t see why there are some valid concerns then you’re just delusional. Like sending prime Nolan Ryan into pitch a church league game lol
I’d be cool with a legends class!
@@mattburkeen820 yes
Vet Pros in separate group.
Exactly how it should be done. I agree 100 %. He’s still a great rider and should be considered a vet.
I dig it but that’s just me!
@@edwindobner8069 I left a nice detailed comment earlier, but here's an addition. I believe there should be an Vet Pro class as it would be awesome to see former factory and factory support riders hauling ass on the track. I love the idea of being an amateur, vet rider and being able to go up against former factory stars and champions. I think these former pros should be allowed to mix it up with, let's say A class, or Vet 40 or 50 plus riders who are equivalent to B class racers. Former pros should have to sit out a certain amount of time, like at least 10 years after they retire. Obviously, it would not be o.k. to have Ryan Villipoto retire from a factory ride and the next season go and race Loretta's. It could easily be done where you have 2 classes together on the same track. Vet pros with 40 plus or A or B class. It would be cool to see how fast one thinks one is or was when riding against the former pros. Technically, pro means you're getting paid. Amateur, no money involved.
I think is great that ex-pros are racing, but it would be nice if they could break up the vet classes by B/C and PRO/A class. I believe you have enough competitors to fill both classes.
Just already so many classes, where do they draw the line?
@@mattburkeen820 they could format it similar to Mammoth, it would be a longer week. It is broken up specific days of racing via categories/blocks: Vet, Minis, and Big Bikes. You can stay for the whole week or just your specific block/categories.
He won the 50 plus and got 2nd in 40 plus. He did not take anything away from anyone No body 40plus is going anywhere but to have a good time at racing motocross. He is super healthy and fast and has all the right in the world racing these 2 classes. Now if Jett came and raced the 450 class or Degan ran the 250 class would be a different story. 40 plus and 50 plus is more than likely older guys just having fun still doing what they love.
I’m with you!
I really think it’s an easy fix have a past pro class. Anyone who has ever had a pro license would qualify
I’d be into that! Maybe more would show
NO , once a Pro always a Pro . It isn't like they lost the skill set .
I dig it but that’s just me!
Hell no its amateur national have a class for anybody that ever had a pro card or only let real amateurs I'm 45 and been trying my hole life to make it and may never make it but can't hang with pros that's for sure
Coombs said "Many people want to race against their heroes" Ugh, no. I grew up riding with the fastest guys in the world on my own personal tracks. They are just people. I want to race in a class where I have a chance....
@GT-mn3bx amen I can love watching them race but not against me and especially for a spot at Loretta's
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
If your that fast and an expro than you should be racing the pro classes! Not vet 50 plus or whatever to just get an easy title! Just my opinion.
I agree. Anyone that has held a pro license should be separated from " THE LOCALS", as Brownie said
Your opinion is very valid, but at the same time I would love to line up against former factory riders even though I'm in my fifties and maybe have the skills somewhere between intermediate a and pro. If the planets aligned I might become an A class rider. I doubt I could be good enough to get a full pro licence - 'ya never know.
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
no,
especially if you cry when you get beat.
☠️
honestly dont get why pros (or former pros) are allowed at LL
I dig it but that’s just me!
Seems odd these pro's would want to beat a bunch of amateurs. With all the experience of being a Pro they have an advantage over guys just racing on the side. I think they should be able to participate but scored separately. Lots of guys never had the opportunity of being PRO and all that goes with it so for those guys to lose their podium spots seems kind of low in my opinion. Give the real amateurs a moment in the sun IMHO.
They just wanna race!
Give them they're own class. Duh. You taking away the hopes of real amateur racers.
Bingo
I can’t believe there are ppl that say “no those guys are honored to get dusted by all timers” lol it’s like sending current lebron James into a 40+ pick up game at the local Y, and he’s not just messing around hes yamming on mfs and calling fouls bc someone stripped him and scored 😂
Legends class would be cool! But I dig seeing these guys race
I tried explaining to a buddy of mine (who knows jack shit about racing) just how fast guys like Mike Brown are, even tho hes over 50 years old. He gave me a condescending laugh and said he'd smoke him around a track. My clueless friend thinks hes faster than everyone because he has a 450r quad and does some wheelies in his yard. Some people have no clue.
I never had a clue then I started racing. And my arse got clued in real quick how fast the 40a snd 50a local riders are. Unfathomable to the non-racer.
Dudes a legend!
All former pro license holder should have there own class
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
I was a good local rider. Doing the 1980s I lived next to a lot of factory riders. We built a track that part of it was on my land. I got to ride with them and know their mechanics. I watch them work out. Some of them gave me a lot of advice. I did become faster and my bike became better. I didn’t need to worry about replacing parts. I also got to ride a number of works bikes. Some of them were what you dream of owning. Some were set up real firm or had power bands that were strange. I may of had the best riding school ever. But what these guys are is what many dream of being. I can tell you they did not have that easy of a life. Hard work and do you have a job next year. But for many seeing these guys and watching them ride is amazing. Finding out how fast they can go is shocking. But measuring yourself against the best is what it is all about.
I’m with you!!
This has pissed me off for a long time now. Ex pros smoking the field of true amateurs. Total BS! Have a retired pro class on the national schedule or their own separate class at Loretta's!
EXACTLY!
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
I tuned into Loretta’s last year to find out who the next big stars will be, and all the coverage was on Emig and Brown. I was thinking to myself “haven’t these guys got enough attention in their careers?!” But didn’t want to be rude and type it out. I think the internet is filled with too much negativity so I try to avoid it. But to answer your question it’s very weird seeing old pros racing an amateur national.
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
Well what is the name of the event?🤔🤔The “Amateur” Nationals. That’s what the focus should be. Not a bunch of former pros that get bored. Now is there room for a class for a bunch of old pro’s? Sure
Exactly - there are a lot of races around the country that that the ex Pro's can race in. I.E. Tons out at Glen Helen and other races. Let true amateur's that don't have their pro license yet race other amateurs.
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
Mike Brown out there looking like Jalek Swoll with the gear, bike, number 😅
Right 😂
There should be a completely separate week just for all the vet classes. Have beginner, intermediate, expert, and master. Master = pro.
Logistically impossible unfortunately. Thats why world vets and vet nationals was created though
Sounds like a lot 😂
Absolutely not. If they want to make a class for ex-pros then make it. Anyone who scored SX or MX points should not be able to race in the regular classes at LL. You had former champions racing in the "Amateur" races
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
It was great to see J-Law, Short, Emig and Brown race but IMO they shouldn't be allowed to race the "age" classes. Ex pro's of a certain level should be limited to the "Open Pro" classes only at LL. Let the true amateurs race each other in the age classes.
I dig it but that’s just me!
I agree just give the ex pros their own class or it’s just not fair for everyone else
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
It seems unfair but M Brown's performance is enviable, in addition to his experience and athletic build, I can't imagine how wise he is when adjusting the bike, look at how the suspension works
He’s a legend!
If that's not sand bagging then I don't know what is, lorretas is for amatuers trying to get to the next level. I'm old enough to remember watching Mike brown race. Unfair in my opinion
Hard to sandbag an age class that you are plenty old enough for 😂
I’ve been coming to Loretta’s for 30 years, I never remember seeing Bob Hannah, or Ricky Johnson come out there to relive their glory days.
They just wanna race!
Funny, get enough Pros in the class and they'll start bitching about lappers, yet they wouldn't even have a race if it weren't for sportsmen. Plus, they get endorsements, and other pay, for placing well. Put pros in their own class! It's why I stopped trying to get to Lorretta's. You can run them in the same class, they're just competing against themselves.
its not like the few pros that are there are the only ones at Lorettas complaining about lappers,
i think its fine, they spent the money put in the work and its pro/am class anyways
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The former pros should have their own class.
I’d be into it if more would show!
The fitness it takes to ride like this man I don’t think the average person can understand
His form and riding style is unlike anything else out there his age. He doesn’t ride like an old man, it’s incredible to see. A guy three times the age as these younger kids and can go just as fast and jump everything on the track.
Right!
IMO there should be a separate class for anyone that held a pro license.
Damn straight!!!!!@@
so u want 15 dudes on the gate?
@@JosephPilsnerif it means a fair race yes you clown
@@JosephPilsner No I do not.
@@tdupuy A separate class would lead to 15 bike gates, there's not that many former pros in the vet classes at lorettas. In my opinion it shouldn't matter what their past results are. It's about the best rider in that age group.
As far as the question, it depends. I think if you've had a certain amount of points in the pros, you shouldn't be allowed. Or if you've placed top 15 or something in any season. Plenty of dudes have pro cards who have only raced a few pro races and weren't necessarily competitive, so ones like that should be allowed, but certainly not former top guys. I'd like to see either stipulations on it, or some sort of specific class of vet pros.
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
I mean he isn't blocking a future career racing the vet class 😂
Hahaha right!
Mike Brown belongs in the 'ex pros throwing baby tantrums in front of a bunch of kids' class
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There needs to be a separate class for former pros.
That would be cool if more would show
The man lapped up to 6th place. They have multiple classes for 50s and minis alike. Why not something for former card holding professionals?
Theres an emerging class of former professionals who still want (and should be able to) compete and race at LL. I just think there’s something inherently foul about former professionals who won titles and were legacy riders for factory teams (Andrew Short, American Honda) competing with the weekend warrior. It’s such an ass whooping that it takes away from the spirit of what it means to qualify and compete at LL.
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
Imagine showing up to play in the national amateur golf championship and seeing Tiger Woods there. The sportsman class was supposed to be for REAL amateurs but
there were guys in both classes that had qualified for at least 1 outdoor national. Brandon Haas and Shane Kelleher. I'm fine with them racing but not in the same class I would be in.
I dig it but that’s just me!
The word amateur is literally in the events name. You wouldn’t see Michael Jordan and Scottie pippen showing up to an amateur basketball tournament. We love to watch the ex pros race it’s like a freakin all star race but have a separate class like a 25+ pro and 40+ pro we’re not saying don’t let them reason just not against amateurs
I dig it but that’s just me!
I have been saying this for years any one who has held a pro card should not be able ride Loretta's unless they come up with pro class.
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
just make a "rocking chair" class...its for retired pros and its an open type class for those who want to test their skills against a former pro racer. Let the old pro farts duke it out 🙂, it'll be a crowd pleaser! and, for those non pros who want to race and say...I lined up next to a former pro! it'll be some awesome stories they get to tell their buddies! win win!
Hahaha I love it
I’ve raced Brown a few times and I’m glad he’s there to push myself to new levels… without guys like him racing in the 50s class there’s nothing to shoot for at this age
He’s always a threat
I’m with you!
Separate class for ex pros or at least score them separately
I dig it but that’s just me!
I think its time for a class just for ex pro's, legends class
I’d be into it if more would show!
I think we will see more veterans and legends racing LLMX after their careers end. Might turn into the legends class people want 😅 imagine the draw a guy like Villopoto would bring! But that said, keep LLMX about the amateurs first and foremost.
Legend class would be cool!
I must be missing something. I thought the amateur nationals had very specific rules about which vet classes former Pros (I think it's 25 national points?) can race. Like there are age groups every five years, but the former pros are restricted to only the 10-year classes? I'm certain Kieffer and Emig talked about this last year.
Different rules for different classes
Dove tailing my last comment, nix one of the 20 mini classes and create a champions class that spares vet riders from being lapped twice by true professionals who were likely posters on some of these riders walls growing up.
It has caused such a rustle in the pits, I believe it warrants a formal address by MxSports.
I’d be into watching that class!
Wow...Brown looks ferocious -- better than a lot of our current 250 outdoor national pros.
If there is room for controversy whether ex-pros like that should be allowed -- no.
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
No, if it's not a pro class, it's grand larceny.
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
@@mattburkeen820 We could introduce a "sandbager" award? All jokes aside, a rider was not able to make the national because he was not a professional rider.
Only Andrew Short should be banned, lol@#*$ If not we may never see Mike Brown do a second place stage call up ever again.
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Yes….in the pro classes only. They should not be allowed in the vet classes.
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
It damn sure doesnt earn him any cool points. Guess the guy wasnt satisfied with his career and now feels the need to dominate the average joe. Pretty weird
He just wants to race!
Personally Mike Brown should be drinking beers and telling everyone how fast he used to be and how much he won...not going out and showing us
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My only question is why he didn't race a Triumph since he's heavily involved with that brand and has ridden the bike for a while now. He'd have to ride a 250 instead of a 350 but he obviously needs the challenge (i.e. Andrew Short). To me it feels like a lack of confidence in the Triumph making it all week.
I thought that was weak not riding the Triumph
Probably the parts and support isn’t there yet for anything but the 250F from them. KTM just switched a bunch of mxgp gasgas riders to orange too . Easier to manage
Just wasn’t gonna ride a 250
They should... BUT IN THEIR OWN CLASS. Just because people are 40 or 50 still has no bearing on their acquired experience that can't be applied today.
I dig it but that’s just me!
I just asked this in a different post asking how/why are Pro's racing at LL's which I thought was a 100% amateur event? I may not all the rules. IDK, great to see these former Pro's race, I want to see them ride but let's create a class just for them. If they were ever top 20, etc. or something. I know there is probably not an easy answer and whatever is chosen if any, all will still not agree. Now, back to your regular schedule program...
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
But in all seriousness. Take away a mini class and 250 c junior. And just do 30+ and +50 plus pro. Make 30+sportsman an open talent. Just never had a pro license. people cant really bitch at that point.
I’d be into a legends only class if more showed up!
I look at this differently than others, if I was good enough to race LL (tried twice failed to qualify) as a vet rider at 45 or 50 plus I think it would be an honor to race against these guys, at that age it should strictly be for fun and if I needed a trophy go to a local series you can get one .Go have fun and enjoy a moto vacation the racing is always good
Exactly. I'm 33. Let's say trey canard showed up for a 30+ race. Amateur or local event. I'm just gonna be pumped to say I lined up with trey canard and raced him! Here in Oklahoma we had a state race a few months ago and robbie reynard raced 50+. My buddy Joe obviously got his waxed but how cool that he got to race reynard
I agree!
If not Brown then Fro, JLaw, Keefer, Harrison, Hayes etc. cannot race either! In fact even the 25 plus former pro's are out.
With that said some how the top three non pros should be given awards as well, especially a 50 year old non former pro National Champion.
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
I call him Mike Frown now 😢 Hope there's a chant going for him next year: "Frownie, Frownie" 😂
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NO EX PRO’s should not be allowed. Loretta’s is an amateur event.
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
"Amateur National Motocross Championship"
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
I think that's what the sportsman's classes are for? but not sure There are quite a few guys in the 50+ that have held a pro license at some point in their career. I would like to see a 55+ or 60+ sportsman or A B classes.
I dig it but that’s just me!
Glad you caught that photo finish between Short and Brown. I couldn't really see much of it when it happened live on Racer Tv.
Was so epic!!
I think its good for old pros to have somthing they can win and have somewhat of a career extension with but maybe not at the cost of amatures, should have a pro fossils class. I'm a 53 yr old vet in newzealand and the old pros are wicked, I normally get laped by a couple of em. Also in NZ we often get old pros burial the mx3 class. And there's a few of em... Darryl and Shane King Brothers, Josh coppins, Ben townley and other fast old dudes iv forgoten
I dig watching them!!
I think its weird that Adams can go race pro in Canada then go race Amateur LL ?
Canada 250 is a PRO/AM class. They even allow Canadian B riders to race.
@@romainbrb6935 ahhh okay, gotcha.
Guess Canada is different!
I think for this age group he’s not pissing in anybody’s front loops , nobody is just trying to make a career at 40 or older , don’t see that he’s robbing anyone but separating the x pros from other 40 + isn’t a bad idea either . Give average joes gym a chance.
this
Froot Loops are safe 😂
While I love watching Mike ride, he's amazing, I believe Shorty had the edge all along since he really challenged himself by riding the pro class too. Beating 2nd place by a minute is not challenging yourself. I suspected Shorty would come out on top. Kinda bitter-sweet racing pros, I remember bumping elbows with Mike thru the 1st turn at Muddy Creek, a lap later, he was gone in 1st, and I was relegated to 3rd behind Walker.
It was epic to watch!
It’s a local hometown race for Mike. He is expected to win. Shorty was the spoiler. Great finish.
It was epic!
Hell no they should have their own class totally not fair at all
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
@@mattburkeen820 that’s what makes our world cool we all have our opinions and we’re still cool ! Well at least in Moto lol but if you stop and think about it you have to admit man it’s not fair but hell nothings fair in life, but it is what it is 👊🏻💯🤠
Not at the "amature" national. I do like seeing them and I think it would be better to have age based "vet" classes at select nationals. Perhaps rotate age 35, 45, 55 at every third MX national.
I dig it but that’s just me!
I think it says enough that this LL has a ton of views and attention because of these ex pros back in races like this. Let em race!
I’m with you!
Have a vet expert class. A-riders or anyone who had a pro card. Love watching Brownie and other pros come though!
That would be cool to maybe see even more show up!
Sandbagging I believe it is called!) Love Mike but I wish he congratulated Short on the photo finish. 2 great athletes!) thx
Sand bagging an age class 😂🤦♂️
Last year, on the podium, he stated that he was going to do national. Didn't hear him mention it this year ?
I guess it’s not happening!
I live by Lorettas and love watching the amateurs Duke it out every year 😊 Seeing the pros that show up every year is just icing on the Cake !
Agreed! I dig it
There should be a class just for them call it the legends class
That would be cool!
The reality of former top level racers who had factory rides or factory support is most of them, even in their fifties, are still fast enough to enter a national or supercross. They may or may not qualify for the main. Most don't race pro because they will lose money without serious sponsorship. Some had to retire do to injury, but with many years off, have had time to heal. They don't want to come in 32nd and be beaten at a national when in their glory days they were in the top 10. I like the idea that an amateur can ride with their heros from the old days. But, at the same time, they are taking glory away from amateurs who never made it to the top. I think it's kind of cherry picking. Should Jeremy Mc Grath be allowed to race Loretta's? Should Mike Tyson be allowed to enter the Olympics at 57? I think Chad Reed has been appearing at Red Bud amateur races. What would this class be called, Veteran Pro? It seems winning is the most important thing to a racer and a former pro would likely rather win a lower class race than come in last at a national. Ahh, if only I could win a race and get my first trophy. But some former team Honda racer is going to steal it away from me, so he can add it to the hundreds of trophies he has sitting in his garage. 😊
Yea not many like brownie!
Amateur National! That's all. . .
I dig it but that’s just me!
Love the Loretta's coverage!!!
Thank you!!
I like the guy from Piney Flats Tennessee. Been a fan my whole life.
Maybe they should Have a Vet Legends class or whatever you wanted to call it. Like @FridgeMx said. Get a whole class of retirees!!
Not just 3 guys that clean sweep the podium. Give us “never have beens” the possibility of a podium??
By the way , how’s the knee? Was at Muddy Creek when you pulled off. My buddy actually got his first ever overall win because you hurt your knee. Hated to see you tweak your knee. But my buddy Clay Hively has been eating your roost for years. Heal up pal. And one more thing. I think RacerX at Loretta’s films their races with potatoes!! Your cameras (Phone) whatever you film with is so clear my old vet eyes can see the races!! Good job camera crew and to your editing skills. Luke 9:62
Vet legends would be cool!!
I think Loretta's should truly be an AMATEURS National Championship and NOT the EX-Pro National Championship. It would be cool though as a vet to be able to say you were at the gate with legends like Emig, Short, and Brownie. Just you would know you didn't have a chance at a medal.
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
Sure, they have the sportsman class for non pro national points earning riders. Brownie is a Beast. Would be great if the oldest class there was a sportsman class though, not 45+. Maybe a 60+ Sportsman class 😜
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
You are 24 in the stands and a C rider. You are watching Jet Lawrence wrap up a championship ship title. Fast forward you ard now 54 and Jet is 50 racing the 50 class at loretta lynn. That is my case now, Emig, Brown and about down to 15th. I tryed for lorettas many times and will never make it in because of this, so i just give up trying .
wait. are you still a C-rider 30 years later?
@@daneg I would say a C+ now.
@@vetmxlife you're a C-level rider in a mixed class (A-C). the only chance you ever had was driving down to the race and picking up a ticket because someone else didn't show. I'm not trying to shit on you. My father once thought it was a good idea to try to put me on his CR 500 and qualify in the B/C open class (I was a top novice in my local district that year and easily won that and the 125/250 areas). I went to the regional at Budd's and got thoroughly smoked. sorry bud. you never had a shot regardless of the occasional Emig or Brown in your bracket. Mixed brackets (even if it's just B/C) are really only for the top level riders when it comes to national races like Loretta's. No "C+" rider is qualifying for Loretta's unless there wasn't enough interest in the class to fill the regional gates, and even then, he'd have zero shot at a decent finish in the national.
@@daneg I agree, that is why I stopped trying, my only big races I compete in every year is the Mini O's in Gainesville Fl and the Ricky Carmichael Daytona Amateur Supercross.
I don't understand what your first post about having to race against retired Jett Lawrences 30 years later was all about. you're a perennial C-rider. you're a weekend warrior. you're entirely noncompetitive. your inability to get to Loretta's isn't because there are A- and ex- pro riders in your class. it's because you've been riding for 30+ years and haven't even made it out of the C-class. I'm not trying to shit on you, but Loretta's is the biggest amateur mx event in the world. it's a very competitive event. did you see the 250C race? those guys were TRIPLING every lap. it's disengenuous for you to point to ex-pros 25+ years after they've retired and say "that's why I gave up on Loretta's," which you did in your first post.
should be an ex pro class but since there isn't why not it would be even bigger bragging rights to beat an ex pro and bruise their ego
if he specifically signed up for a class to beat everyonr easilly in, that's a different story
Would be cool to have that class, maybe more would show up! Legends only
@@mattburkeen820 that would be fun to watch
FINALLY ONE FAST RACER RIDING WITH NORMAL SOFT FORKS IN FRONT!
STOP YELLING 😂
Regardless they get their class or not the amateur National will never be fair in ver classes. You have to many guys that should had scored points or could had scored points that will be in those classes. You have guys that own their on training facilities that have the top of the line bikes and train year round.
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
Absolutely especially in the plus classes even in the Pro Sport class if you finish behind one of the past pros your getting a job if you beat the past Pros you might get to negotiate your contract 😆
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i believe it is ok for them to race. there are a couple of "spotsman" classes that they cannot race in like 30+ and 45+. I think it would be even better though if they made a vet pro class and get some money involved to bring out some others like villopoto, stewart, mcgrath, etc. Could be interesting and fun!
I don't get why the plus classes are the show at TN anymore. They are all ex pros.
I think the C class is where the emphasis should be. That and the PW class.
That would be rad!
Once pro you should only go against other pro riders
You don’t think it’s a little different at 52 years old? 😂
@@mattburkeen820 I'm doing it in gncc sprint and cross country and hard enduro.
I always loved watching Mike Brown, he still has that same style he did back in the 125 days.
Dudes a legend!
gee I remember JMc and RC around 2004 saying, "I'd like to come back to Loretta's when I'm 40 and ....." hasn't the pro class been around for awhile?
Racers wanna race!
Ex pro's at 52 years of age racing in the 40+ class? Absolutely!
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I think all old pros should get forced to c class. And thatd encourage all the sandbaggers nationwide to go to B 🤣
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make another class there aren’t enough the way it is Ex pro class
I personally dig it but that’s just me!
Racing is racing, if you are not good enough to race anyone that shows up then at least race them and ya might learn something for next time. Otherwise if you dont like who shows up to race you because they are better currently, then you are not there to race in the first place. Its just racing. I will say with mike being vet pro......it really looked like he missed his setup, that bike was all over the place.
I’m with you! Love seeing them race
Give em their own class or make em ride 125s
125 vet expert would be 😍
Should separate the classes. 25+ B/C and A. So on and so forth for 30+ and up.
I dig it but that’s just me!
This is how greedy LL is. Let ex pros race in amateur lvls.
I think it’s cool to see who comes out to race!
His sick as, that's what you get when you don't stop riding and it's got nothing to do with age. My last official race at a state level was in 2000 I'm 56 and still pounding out laps and it's no oldman show either 🤣🤣🤣. Just to throw salt into there wounds I'm on a KX250 06 2stroke that keeps me firing on all 8 cylinders. 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Dudes a unit!