I miss when fractal design used to sponsor videos and Linus would have to inhale helium or do the ice bucket challenge during the sponsor spot. Dbrand has gotta step up their game.
5:18: Yes, motherboard manufactures should continue to include analog audio ports on high end boards, especially when the the PC is being used for productivity. Being able to hook up a very high quality stereo to the PC without any adaptors is a very good thing.
Why?!? I'm not an audiophile by any means, but for the last 2 decades I have been using the optical audio port for streaming music from my PC (S/PDIF, TOSLINK, etc.) There is ZERO interference on this link. No noise crackling and popping, ruining your immersion and breaking your concentration. It is the cheapest, easiest, and most painless solution to getting your audio to wherever you want it to go. Run a cheap optical cable from your PC directly to your stereo, and let your stereo do any necessary analog conversions. If your PC does not have an optical port then check your stereo for other options. Part of the reason for HDMI was passing multiple audio channels from your PC/TV and giving you the most state of the art surround sound experience available. No HDMI either? USB. Granted, your PC's analog audio is an order of magnitude better these days than it used to be but once it leaves the computer it still has the same interference issues.
Yeah i agree. Analog stuff are also just most reliable. Even in 2015 you still had more reliability issues with analog than USB, its only in 2020s that i consider analog to be unnecessary for reliability reasons alone. But lot of people still have good analog stuff, lets grandfather them in. But i don't expect or demand or ask them to still keep putting analog audio ports into mobos in 2030s. Maybe some people still prefer analog in 2030s, but it no longer needs to be industry standard since it will be just that rare.
I use a very nice set of Logitech G5.1 with upgraded speakers. They are the oldest part of my system but still pump out great audio. I need the analog connectors, but the truth is that now I am using a Soundblaster card for my analog output that has better audio quality than the Realtek chip on the motherboard.
That is a upvote from me been using a 150w sub with its own 7 satelite system from genius for the last 5 years and the audio has been so good for movie and other audio based media cintent liks this segway to this awesome channel =D. for the life of me it is so difficult getting a usb solution with a 5.1 or 7.1 analogue audio interface to be reused from my laptop after my system broke.
5:01 Those analog surround outputs are one the ways you can get uncompressed 5.1 or 7.1 audio from a pc. S/PDIF can do uncompressed stereo but anything above that is compressed. You can also use hdmi or dp to carry the sound but the sound data is interleaved into the picture data. So no sound without picture. Analog outputs seem to be the easiest way to hookup an amplifier to a pc.
If you want high quality audio from a PC get a dedicated USB DAC instead of using onboard. Even cheap USB solutions are generally better than the onboard stuff when it comes to the noise floor in particular.
i just use the network for audio. my dac and adc connecto to the network and i just have a virtual soudcard witch sends the audio over the network to the dac. it supports 64 channels input and 64 output channels (there is even a 128x128 chnnel version)
@@ArniesTech its not like they dont do both? and even when no private person is expected to buy something like this, i bet there are a few viewers who buy it for their own business or get it ordered at work. also its nice to see the absolute top of performance, at least for me.
YES! Please keep including surround sound ports! I love it on my PC for when I am home alone playing single-player games or just want to blast music while working on something else.
Since you asked, yes I do in fact use my onboard 7.1 soundchip and it is loaded up :) got a 5.1 speaker system that uses 3 of the ports and another one goes to my wireless headphone base station. So I'm very happy that these ports are still standard for the slighly more expensive tier up to the top. I do have another gaming headset that uses USB but since I'm also nearly out of USB Ports (my PC has 8 or 9 USB Type A Ports which are all full or sadly don't function anymore) there are some limits, and I do love my old sound system :D
5:08 - I actually still use all those ports, though not for their intended purpose. I use FL/FR (green) as stereo out with parametric EQ + highpass to my main studio monitors, C/SUB (orange) as stereo out with lowpass to my subwoofer, and RL/RR (black) as stereo out unprocessed to a stereo amp that I test speakers with, though I plan to also use this for the sake of making mixing in desktop audio easier when I have a physical mixer board. All three operate independently from each other with EqualizerAPO, or with HDAJackRetask in Linux, and all three process the exact same stereo signal.
Same here, I even have a spare receiver in a closet just in case my current one dies, would love to do digital or Toslink but I can't find a decent Motherboard that offers actual onboard surround sound that shows up as such in games with output via onboard jack that is not "virtual" software multichannel audio upmixed from stereo or defaulting to stereo in the OS.
About the 7.1 channel outputs, YES! Do you realize how hard I've been looking for motherboards that have 7.1 surround for my speakers and SP/DIF for my headphones. My speakers are 12 years old and my headphones are 9 and when I was upgrading my setup a few months ago, I realized how hard it was trying to find all the right ones, managed tho! But was hard.
There are really affordable (and good) soundcards that sometimes are more cost effective to buy that work hand in hand with the motherboard that you want. Sometimes it's even cheaper to buy a lesser motherboard plus the soundcard than it is to go for the "top of the line" motherboard.
Hey Linus! I do use the analog surround sound on my pc motherboard! I jerryrigged a couple of normal speakers into a surround sound set up in my room and it works really well for VR immersion without the need for an headset.
Granted, it's only a 5.1 system, but I do have surround sound speakers for my desktop, really nice for gaming to be able to hear things behind you, spatial sound helps give a nice boost. Please keep including the 3.5mm jacks, even older speakers still work great so lots of options for people who want to utilize the ports
Yes! Those audio ports are important. If you're one a budget and get a surround sound system with only analogue inputs, PC audio is a godsend. Even ancient motherboards with realtek audio sometimes have simple room correction stuff built in. I can only imagine how much better the audio quality on these motherboards has gotten by now.
They're the same from the last 15 years actually, but it is better than nothing. If they could send it in the form of USB, it would be better because less noise.
I have a VRLA Apollo model I bought a couple years ago when Linis ran his first video about them. It's not a top of the line pc, but I've had no issues in the time I've owned it and have been very happy with it. It is a very basic setup with little RGB. It has a ton of room in the case if I ever want to add anything to it. I highly recommend them as I've had several pcs over the years from various companies.
Yes, absolutely, some of us do use normal surround systems. And it still puzzles me why now they aren't considered "cool" anymore despite still sounding miles above all the dinky headphone surround emulation technologies. Their use become so niche, that possibility itself is often overlooked. Case in point: when I chatted with devs of one of my favorite games and mentioned how great and immersive it sounds on surround speaker system, their response was basically "Oh, we didn't even knew nor checked that it supports that. I guess it comes enabled by default in the game engine we're using" *sad surround noises*
I'm sitting here wondering what other ports people are using. I've always used these since they started building audio onboard. I use the front mic and headphone ones too for when I get on Discord.
YES! the audio ports are EXTREMELY useful! I use the Line-In port with my Nintendo switch so I can listen to the switch and my pc at the same time!!!!! The digital-out is also very useful!
i used to use that then i got upgraded my gpu and it got way too noisy i think the gpu whine overpowered the protection stuff. it sounded better frankinstining an adapter, which i had to use anyway for discord cuz i was too stupid to figure out how to use 2 inputs at the same time
To answer your question, yes, I still use analog 7.1 audio ports (when I game, I use a pair of Razer Tiamat 7.1 v2 headphones, with discrete drivers for each channel). It helps with hearing the bogey shooting over your shoulder.
I have had the same set of Logitech THX certified speakers for like 10 years, and they still sound absolutely amazeballs. So yes, yes they need the audio connectors. I also use passthrough audio for my TV (that is connected as a second monitor 55" mostly for watching Linus on UA-cam) to send its audio through the computer (yes when i am using the TV functions only) so i get 5.1 surround in my office. :)
5:08 YES! Keep those ports! I use SPDIF/Optical from my Motherboard to my entertainment speakers (UA-cam, TV, netflix etc etc) - which are Edifier R200DBs - they sound amazing for the price. For gaming I DO use the analog stereo port on the rear for my Logitech 2.1 setup - I also add my Anker Motion Boom Plus for rear channel audio at times.
You’ve kind of just proved the argument in the opposite direction though? You’re saying : “No, don’t touch my precious dozen 3.5mm jacks! I am one of those people that needs them!” *Proceeds to describe using Optical and One (1) Singular 3.5mm jack.* Anyone that uses surround sound is going to use the Optical port or HDMI audio. 99.5% of everyone else is going to just use the stereo and mic in jacks. I would vastly prefer that all of the circuitry dedicated to 7.1 channels worth of Pre-Amplification and DACs to shitty little 3.5mm jacks went to just giving the headphone port an amazing onboard DAC and High Impedance capable Amp. Hell - even optical is dead and gone at this point, I’d take a well integrated HDMI 2.1 Audio option with Atmos / E-ARC support any day. Chuck that plastic piece of 1980’s detritus in whatever old folks home they stuck Beta and HD-DVD in. For anyone that does still need ALL of those other 3.5MM ports for their 7.1 Surround Sound (and inexplicably decides to have their primo audio signal source run through copper strands the thickness of Galadriel’s finest pube, complete with the several metric gigafucktonnes of interference that only such a girthless unbalanced analog conductor can provide), there is a simple solution. Go on eBay and buy a High End SoundBlaster card for $10. There’s Eighty Shittillion of ‘em out there getting shoveled onto the global e-waste pile every second (I wonder why).
@UCKO9Y1A_LTwo_SkuQxwCSTA Yes, I use the onboard phono 5.1 audio jacks on my motherboard as primary sound output, I ALSO use an external SB USB soundcard for Mic in and 2 channel output, but no I cannot use my HDMI for surround because it is ALSO used as a secondary monitor and sound output. (5.1 because I have yet to find a home theater amp in my price range with full 6-7.1 discrete input jacks) I have three monitors total and all have speakers on them which I use to spread out Game(or movie) audio from the two or more voice chat programs that are placed on the side monitors.(side note the "monitors" are a 42" and 32" TV as well as a 19" PC monitor) So. Yes the 3.5mm audio jacks are a very nice thing to have and if you have gotten shitty sound out of them maybe get some better cables or not run them past noisy RF electronics on the way to your amp and speakers!
I have that case, and I love it. You can fit approximately a billion hard drives in there, and still have room for 2 radiators. Perfect for those of us who use their main PC as a home server as well.
I always use the audio ports at the back of the pc for 5.1 audio. Best way to get 5.1 surround from PC games. They never output 5.1 via optical or HDMI (from my experience, anyway).
@@girlsdrinkfeck also any external dac is trash unless it has it's own power, usb powered = heavy sound distortion gadget, this is the same reason why onboard sound isn't that good already and I use a pci soundcard which breaks my case airflow but once you heard it you can't go back
they should absolutely include those audio ports! it's very conveinent for any tech nerd or artists like me who use those ports to imports sounds into my DAW software
Analog speaker user here. Yep still use the audio jacks at the back as I run a surround sound set up as my PC is the main entertainment system and productivity machine for the house - remote work, video games and, most importantly, streaming shows and movies. We also host d&d and movie nights so having those surround speakers is great for immersion and they've been working as good today as they did when I bought them (even has a little volume remote) :)
considering good sound systems stay good for decades (especially when you don't have to deal with planned obsolescence Apps) yeah the 3.5mm is totally worth keeping
I bought a pretty top end Creative Labs 7.1 speaker setup maybe 10 years ago, and it's still going strong. I wouldn't buy it again if I had to replace it, but it's still working as well as the day I bought it, and has outlasted 5 motherboards in that time. So yes, there are still people plugging in analog 7.1 speaker sets. 🙂 Video Idea: Those components/accessories that you keep from machine to machine, and new innovations that might make them worth replacing anyway.
That reminds me, did you all end up giving back the gold PC? I’ve only been seeing the intricately-designed PC from a recent video. That aside, at least this UA-cam channel lives up to the name.
I use the surround sound ports on my boards all the time but then again, I'm doing a ton more than just gaming including music abd data so yeah, it's important in the case for music for best sound possible. You always want the best possible mic for recording but you definitely want the best possible audio out in order to hear the quality of my music. In the metal I play, it is necessary to every extent that you have the best quality sound output available. The difference between low and mid quality to high quality is a world of difference. So the fact that they have onboard optical audio for surround is awesome.
I still have a creative set of 4.1 analogue speakers. I haven't got them set up at the moment but I am intending to use them again at some point. The 4 real speakers are so good for some games, allowing you to hear where you are being shot at from.
I had never used or considered using the audio ports on the back of the motherboard UNTIL literally 2 days ago I was fortunate to receive a pair of wall powered studio monitors that take RCA or quarter inch input, so I ordered a cable to use them with my pc that actually just arrived as I was typing this haha
the buildredux ad you did is hilarious love the videos that all of you work so hard to create and i always tell my other tech friends to check you guys out never quit yall are amazing my favorite group on youtube
I'm still rocking a Creative 5.1 surround sound set I got as a gift back in around 2007. Daily use, moved a bunch of times and it still works. Got to love Creative quality.
i honestly find this look much more appealing than all the rg and windows and whatever things ppl put in their pc's now, this is all power, all performance, all business.
YES! I use all the surround sound ports for a home theater setup. I have an older Denon receiver that's still an absolute beast for my living room but because it's older I need to run all the audio cables. I am planning on doing a minor upgrade of the PC and switching to the TOSLINK however since we have 5.1 and not 7.1.
This is similar how I built mine in my old R5: No windows, Aorus Master, 5950X, RX5700XT and brown fans everywhere, including side fan. All cable managed and stealth.
12:37 using the OptiX API instead of CUDA on Nvidia RTX devices can really increase performance and show the true power of the GPUs when rendering in blender.
it still makes sense to use those ports. I use them for my speakers/sub using two of the ports, then connect my headset to the line-in and retask it to headphones so it's the same audio device as speakers and all I need to do is turn speakers down and turn headphones up, as well as use the mic-in. the only ones I don't use are rear/side speakers
"Sometimes it's not about the looks" he says about one of the nicest looking computers on the channel in a long time. I'm so sick of this RGB everything BS. Give me a clean computer with no window any day. So much prettier and sleeker looking. This case is something I'd actually put on my desk, not something with a window and tons of RGB. I don't want or need to look at the inside of my computer... ever... Really can't wait for the trend of windows and RGB to die.
Creative and Turtle Beach dropped the massive ball on that. They both could have been audio chipset standards on motherboards. Creative specifically didn't bother for greedy reasons and look where they are now. You don't even hear them mentioned in audio talks anymore other than nostalgia.
@@Ancientreapers I have to say, that Creative had a few issues a few years ago, in my previous system I had the Soundblaster Z and the driver had issues for years after every function update. When they released the Z SE, the old one got the same suite and driver and all issues vanished. With the AE-5 I have in my new rig, which uses the same driver package with Windows 11 I had not a single issue after upgrading to 22H2. They should really get more praise for what they achieved, I know there are on board solutions by Creative, but I don't think they deliver the same, or would ever have been able to, than their dedicated sound cards.
I'm using the audio ports to put in and out different channels to an external mixer. This way I can have communication and game sounds on different volumes, adjustable without alt-tabbing.
I have analog speakers on my latest build. They're actually carried over from the '90s, and still better than any other speakers in the house, even if they were never top tier. They just work, and don't need software.
I use SoundBlaster Z but yes of course I use 3.5mm jacks. That's the best way to hook up surround speakers to PC for immersive gaming and listening to music. All my PC's have some kind of SoundBlaster in them and I hope Creative never stops making them.
I'd love to have this machine as my simulation workstation, right now I have to start bigger simulations in the evening to let them run over night because it wouldn't be feasable during work hours. With this I guess I'd get them done in my lunch break, what a monster.
FINALLY!! A LMG vídeo where the nomenclature used for USB 3 is USB 3 + the speed, as I’ve been asking for ages, instead of using the misleading IF names and just complaining about it
I bought the VRLA Centaur after your review Linus , I upgraded the ram to 64 gigs of Royal Z, I7 10700k with the evga rtx 3080 ftw3 ultra and except for them including some low end SSD and a 10 year old HHD that died, its been great. All running to the samsung 49 inch ultrawide
Linus, I still hook up my Logitech Z-5500 5.1 speakers. And they still, to this day, 18 years later. sound better than anything else I have in my house, my parents houses, my friends houses......They still rock. I still have to manage the bass as it will quite literally shake my apartment apart, lol. So yes, keep those analog audio jacks.
I go old school with my sound when ever i'm doing my arts and crafts and I still have my first surround sound system that I bought with my first paycheck from my first job 18 years ago.
So funny, I have a Fractal Design R7 XL(9 years old?) that still has a lightscribe burner. This case does last forever, extremely durable, and versatile.
I actually do use 7.1 audio with my desktop. It's pretty fun and easy to do with DIY. In certain games, especially if you can increase the volume, it can really help since you actually know behind you vs in front of you. Was a must-have when I competitively played MW2019 for a bit. My setup was actually some nice speakers for the front, then in the rear, I had two sets of crappy logitech speakers with one speaker cut off, and a 3.5mm splitter so I could get some good range on the cables. The best part? My motherboard doesnt have 7.1 so I used a soundcard, in 2020! Today I use an actual set of 7.1 PC speakers, but I leave the rear ones off since, if Im gaming, I'm usually using headphones to keep the fam and neighbors happy. I will say, when watching content, having a center channel does make it sound significantly better.
My Ryzen 5600x / RTX 3080 gaming rig uses 5.1 surround while my Ryzen 1600x / GTX 1060 media PC uses SPDIF. Both computers are hooked up to the same Logitech Z-5500 (1010 watts surround). Until I start seeing better computer speakers, I'll continue using these ancient but still awesome speakers.
Yes we still use the audio ports, I use the spdif port on my mobo for surround, It's the cheaper option in the meantime, before needing to replace my whole receiver for an 4k or 8k 2.1 Earc/HDMI surround setup.
I actually use the analog "surround sound" jacks on a motherboard for a unconventional usecase. I split the jacks up in software under linux then plug in different devices to each port if I want to have multiple sound system zones that I maybe cant hook up over hdmi or optical. I use the line in to grab audio from my game consoles if I wanna game and still have audio from my desktop as well
I actually used the line out for audio up to 5 days ago... got rid of it because of noise in the audio due to lack of shielding. Light doesn't care about that. I also got this case and really like it! enough space allthough I would've liked it if the front fan mounting wasn't as bulky because it does obstruct quite a bit of the fans when you use 140mm fans. (liquid freezer II 420mm in my case)
@@gamagama69 I'm not sure what you mean exactly but if you mean the options of surround (decoding) types, that is not really a problem for me because I run 2.2 audio and have no center or surround channels of any kind.
I miss when fractal design used to sponsor videos and Linus would have to inhale helium or do the ice bucket challenge during the sponsor spot. Dbrand has gotta step up their game.
I miss FractalJosh. =(
Paul and Kyle building a PC in a moving tank and a speedboat come to mind.
Lads, vote this up!
Blame NZXT for that, they obviously pay a higher rate since they need the marketing more to cover up their shit products
Yeah, it changed his voice from "I sound like a virgin" to "I sound like a small child
5:18: Yes, motherboard manufactures should continue to include analog audio ports on high end boards, especially when the the PC is being used for productivity. Being able to hook up a very high quality stereo to the PC without any adaptors is a very good thing.
Why?!? I'm not an audiophile by any means, but for the last 2 decades I have been using the optical audio port for streaming music from my PC (S/PDIF, TOSLINK, etc.) There is ZERO interference on this link. No noise crackling and popping, ruining your immersion and breaking your concentration. It is the cheapest, easiest, and most painless solution to getting your audio to wherever you want it to go. Run a cheap optical cable from your PC directly to your stereo, and let your stereo do any necessary analog conversions. If your PC does not have an optical port then check your stereo for other options. Part of the reason for HDMI was passing multiple audio channels from your PC/TV and giving you the most state of the art surround sound experience available. No HDMI either? USB. Granted, your PC's analog audio is an order of magnitude better these days than it used to be but once it leaves the computer it still has the same interference issues.
Agree, having the option is good. And plus good we'll made audio equipment lasts decades
Yeah i agree. Analog stuff are also just most reliable. Even in 2015 you still had more reliability issues with analog than USB, its only in 2020s that i consider analog to be unnecessary for reliability reasons alone. But lot of people still have good analog stuff, lets grandfather them in.
But i don't expect or demand or ask them to still keep putting analog audio ports into mobos in 2030s. Maybe some people still prefer analog in 2030s, but it no longer needs to be industry standard since it will be just that rare.
I use a very nice set of Logitech G5.1 with upgraded speakers. They are the oldest part of my system but still pump out great audio. I need the analog connectors, but the truth is that now I am using a Soundblaster card for my analog output that has better audio quality than the Realtek chip on the motherboard.
That is a upvote from me been using a 150w sub with its own 7 satelite system from genius for the last 5 years and the audio has been so good for movie and other audio based media cintent liks this segway to this awesome channel =D. for the life of me it is so difficult getting a usb solution with a 5.1 or 7.1 analogue audio interface to be reused from my laptop after my system broke.
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@@alyti no its not
@@croper0 do you see the little (edited) there bud? or do you need your eyesight checked
"We have a whopping five whoppings"
5:01 Those analog surround outputs are one the ways you can get uncompressed 5.1 or 7.1 audio from a pc. S/PDIF can do uncompressed stereo but anything above that is compressed. You can also use hdmi or dp to carry the sound but the sound data is interleaved into the picture data. So no sound without picture. Analog outputs seem to be the easiest way to hookup an amplifier to a pc.
USB to an external DAC, this is what the majority of your audiophiles and homecinema users do.
If you want high quality audio from a PC get a dedicated USB DAC instead of using onboard. Even cheap USB solutions are generally better than the onboard stuff when it comes to the noise floor in particular.
i just use the network for audio. my dac and adc connecto to the network and i just have a virtual soudcard witch sends the audio over the network to the dac. it supports 64 channels input and 64 output channels (there is even a 128x128 chnnel version)
I like how Linus gives me advice as if I'd ever buy this
I wonder if people are rather interested in videos about super expensive high end hardware or rather affordable one that anybody can easily get 🤔🙏
@@ArniesTech I think more people just wanna see their circuits get blown
@@thezx5795 lol, valid point 😅
or afford it
@@ArniesTech its not like they dont do both? and even when no private person is expected to buy something like this, i bet there are a few viewers who buy it for their own business or get it ordered at work. also its nice to see the absolute top of performance, at least for me.
YES! Please keep including surround sound ports! I love it on my PC for when I am home alone playing single-player games or just want to blast music while working on something else.
but 7.1 over 4 crappy 3.5mm?
I'm not convinced anything is shipping damage if Linus opens it.
underrated comment! LMAO
Since you asked, yes I do in fact use my onboard 7.1 soundchip and it is loaded up :) got a 5.1 speaker system that uses 3 of the ports and another one goes to my wireless headphone base station. So I'm very happy that these ports are still standard for the slighly more expensive tier up to the top. I do have another gaming headset that uses USB but since I'm also nearly out of USB Ports (my PC has 8 or 9 USB Type A Ports which are all full or sadly don't function anymore) there are some limits, and I do love my old sound system :D
Yes Linus, I just bought a surround system from 2001 for my sim rig and the sound is fantastic!
5:08 - I actually still use all those ports, though not for their intended purpose. I use FL/FR (green) as stereo out with parametric EQ + highpass to my main studio monitors, C/SUB (orange) as stereo out with lowpass to my subwoofer, and RL/RR (black) as stereo out unprocessed to a stereo amp that I test speakers with, though I plan to also use this for the sake of making mixing in desktop audio easier when I have a physical mixer board. All three operate independently from each other with EqualizerAPO, or with HDAJackRetask in Linux, and all three process the exact same stereo signal.
i use dante for any non standart thing. it works great, and uses one a reliable network.
I still hookup my 5.1 surround sound speaker setup. Not my fault it's still alive after 20 years and working fine...
You make me sad! My 2002 Sony just died. 😧
Same here, I even have a spare receiver in a closet just in case my current one dies, would love to do digital or Toslink but I can't find a decent Motherboard that offers actual onboard surround sound that shows up as such in games with output via onboard jack that is not "virtual" software multichannel audio upmixed from stereo or defaulting to stereo in the OS.
Me too. My old Sony 5.1 amp has limited connections so I get 5.1 from my pc with 3 x 3.5 to dual phono cables.
12 yrs old z506, alongside a big ultra-wide is great for movies and TV.
@@NetanelZZZ I was so happy when I got an ultrawide and finding out how well 2.35:1 movies play on it.
About the 7.1 channel outputs, YES! Do you realize how hard I've been looking for motherboards that have 7.1 surround for my speakers and SP/DIF for my headphones.
My speakers are 12 years old and my headphones are 9 and when I was upgrading my setup a few months ago, I realized how hard it was trying to find all the right ones, managed tho! But was hard.
did you know they make sound cards
There are really affordable (and good) soundcards that sometimes are more cost effective to buy that work hand in hand with the motherboard that you want. Sometimes it's even cheaper to buy a lesser motherboard plus the soundcard than it is to go for the "top of the line" motherboard.
Hey Linus! I do use the analog surround sound on my pc motherboard! I jerryrigged a couple of normal speakers into a surround sound set up in my room and it works really well for VR immersion without the need for an headset.
I'm still running a full 5.1 surround system from the early 2000's. Haven't found anything cheap enough that can compare to make an upgrade worth it
@@fatlessauto3 Sure its usefully if you want to run crappy cheap 5.1 surround system from the early 2000's. But on 20k$ PC?
@@lambda7652 at 20k that might be most of your budget, and you blew the rest speakers and cheaped out on a dac cuz good enuff.
@@akimbofurry2179 Yeah sure, it might as well have VGA output for your Analog monitor and maybe a "gameport" for your good enuff Gamepad
@@lambda7652 I don't know what fucking planet you live on that you automatically assume that a five channel speaker system is crappy
Granted, it's only a 5.1 system, but I do have surround sound speakers for my desktop, really nice for gaming to be able to hear things behind you, spatial sound helps give a nice boost. Please keep including the 3.5mm jacks, even older speakers still work great so lots of options for people who want to utilize the ports
Yes! Those audio ports are important. If you're one a budget and get a surround sound system with only analogue inputs, PC audio is a godsend. Even ancient motherboards with realtek audio sometimes have simple room correction stuff built in. I can only imagine how much better the audio quality on these motherboards has gotten by now.
This is other end of the spectrum, the motherboard costs $1000 ffs, it'd better have everything
They're the same from the last 15 years actually, but it is better than nothing. If they could send it in the form of USB, it would be better because less noise.
i mean yeah, but if you can buy a 500€ plus motherboard, i would assume you would get something dedicated for sound
@@ydfhlx5923 Its a workstation; I would prefer a PS2 mouse connector & an SDcard reader.
Sound quality has gotten worse, as it just doesn't matter any more
I have a VRLA Apollo model I bought a couple years ago when Linis ran his first video about them. It's not a top of the line pc, but I've had no issues in the time I've owned it and have been very happy with it. It is a very basic setup with little RGB. It has a ton of room in the case if I ever want to add anything to it. I highly recommend them as I've had several pcs over the years from various companies.
I still use my 20 year old Altec Lansing 5.1 surround speakers. I definitely need those plugs. I’m grateful my B550 creator MB has them
altec lansing club! i use mine all the time as well!
Yes, absolutely, some of us do use normal surround systems. And it still puzzles me why now they aren't considered "cool" anymore despite still sounding miles above all the dinky headphone surround emulation technologies. Their use become so niche, that possibility itself is often overlooked. Case in point: when I chatted with devs of one of my favorite games and mentioned how great and immersive it sounds on surround speaker system, their response was basically "Oh, we didn't even knew nor checked that it supports that. I guess it comes enabled by default in the game engine we're using"
*sad surround noises*
Agreed, disappointing how many games use stereo audio or only optimize the audio for headphones these days!
but you can just use a 7.1 usb dac.
Keep the 3.5mm audio jacks! They are very important to a lot of people.
Yes
I'm sitting here wondering what other ports people are using. I've always used these since they started building audio onboard. I use the front mic and headphone ones too for when I get on Discord.
@@Krojack76 usb
@@MrMeow-xl7pd Could you elaborate, do you mean a usb soundcard?
@@TnvTablet just look up DAC
Yes! I still use my 5.1 surround and I love it! It's a really nice speaker system to be fair 🤔
I love the Netwrok Ports on this thing
Absolutely amazing netwroking capability.
This is 20Gb Netwroking!
Yes, I do use the analog surround, getting surround sound with different sets of speakers saved me a ton of money
YES! the audio ports are EXTREMELY useful!
I use the Line-In port with my Nintendo switch so I can listen to the switch and my pc at the same time!!!!!
The digital-out is also very useful!
i used to use that then i got upgraded my gpu and it got way too noisy i think the gpu whine overpowered the protection stuff.
it sounded better frankinstining an adapter, which i had to use anyway for discord cuz i was too stupid to figure out how to use 2 inputs at the same time
just use a usb 7.1 dac.
Nice -- @5:14 -" Netwrok ports"
To answer your question, yes, I still use analog 7.1 audio ports (when I game, I use a pair of Razer Tiamat 7.1 v2 headphones, with discrete drivers for each channel). It helps with hearing the bogey shooting over your shoulder.
i have the version 1 of this headset, still works, but i dont use i any longer. i switched to a logitech pro x wireless.
I have had the same set of Logitech THX certified speakers for like 10 years, and they still sound absolutely amazeballs. So yes, yes they need the audio connectors. I also use passthrough audio for my TV (that is connected as a second monitor 55" mostly for watching Linus on UA-cam) to send its audio through the computer (yes when i am using the TV functions only) so i get 5.1 surround in my office. :)
5:08 YES! Keep those ports! I use SPDIF/Optical from my Motherboard to my entertainment speakers (UA-cam, TV, netflix etc etc) - which are Edifier R200DBs - they sound amazing for the price. For gaming I DO use the analog stereo port on the rear for my Logitech 2.1 setup - I also add my Anker Motion Boom Plus for rear channel audio at times.
I can imagine ever using them myself but if I’m spending $1000 on a motherboard I better damn well have the option haha
@@TaylorCrosbyofficial nevermind stuff can break, and hazing them to sanity check shit is nice.
You’ve kind of just proved the argument in the opposite direction though? You’re saying :
“No, don’t touch my precious dozen 3.5mm jacks! I am one of those people that needs them!”
*Proceeds to describe using Optical and One (1) Singular 3.5mm jack.*
Anyone that uses surround sound is going to use the Optical port or HDMI audio. 99.5% of everyone else is going to just use the stereo and mic in jacks.
I would vastly prefer that all of the circuitry dedicated to 7.1 channels worth of Pre-Amplification and DACs to shitty little 3.5mm jacks went to just giving the headphone port an amazing onboard DAC and High Impedance capable Amp.
Hell - even optical is dead and gone at this point, I’d take a well integrated HDMI 2.1 Audio option with Atmos / E-ARC support any day. Chuck that plastic piece of 1980’s detritus in whatever old folks home they stuck Beta and HD-DVD in.
For anyone that does still need ALL of those other 3.5MM ports for their 7.1 Surround Sound (and inexplicably decides to have their primo audio signal source run through copper strands the thickness of Galadriel’s finest pube, complete with the several metric gigafucktonnes of interference that only such a girthless unbalanced analog conductor can provide), there is a simple solution. Go on eBay and buy a High End SoundBlaster card for $10. There’s Eighty Shittillion of ‘em out there getting shoveled onto the global e-waste pile every second (I wonder why).
@UCKO9Y1A_LTwo_SkuQxwCSTA Yes, I use the onboard phono 5.1 audio jacks on my motherboard as primary sound output, I ALSO use an external SB USB soundcard for Mic in and 2 channel output, but no I cannot use my HDMI for surround because it is ALSO used as a secondary monitor and sound output. (5.1 because I have yet to find a home theater amp in my price range with full 6-7.1 discrete input jacks) I have three monitors total and all have speakers on them which I use to spread out Game(or movie) audio from the two or more voice chat programs that are placed on the side monitors.(side note the "monitors" are a 42" and 32" TV as well as a 19" PC monitor)
So. Yes the 3.5mm audio jacks are a very nice thing to have and if you have gotten shitty sound out of them maybe get some better cables or not run them past noisy RF electronics on the way to your amp and speakers!
@@annix493 shit breaks, sometimes having a back up is nice
I have that case, and I love it. You can fit approximately a billion hard drives in there, and still have room for 2 radiators. Perfect for those of us who use their main PC as a home server as well.
I always use the audio ports at the back of the pc for 5.1 audio. Best way to get 5.1 surround from PC games. They never output 5.1 via optical or HDMI (from my experience, anyway).
But how good are onboard audio my friend. Get your self a external dac for premium sound.
@@SuperSkandale no its pointless money spent and more clutter and more outlets needed
@@girlsdrinkfeck also any external dac is trash unless it has it's own power, usb powered = heavy sound distortion gadget, this is the same reason why onboard sound isn't that good already and I use a pci soundcard which breaks my case airflow but once you heard it you can't go back
That cable management is CLEAN
they should absolutely include those audio ports! it's very conveinent for any tech nerd or artists like me who use those ports to imports sounds into my DAW software
Analog speaker user here. Yep still use the audio jacks at the back as I run a surround sound set up as my PC is the main entertainment system and productivity machine for the house - remote work, video games and, most importantly, streaming shows and movies. We also host d&d and movie nights so having those surround speakers is great for immersion and they've been working as good today as they did when I bought them (even has a little volume remote) :)
Linus: *drops the back panel*
Also Linus: "It appears to have received some shipping damage"
point is more that the back panel fell off without him trying to remove the panel. the panel falling off was a result of the damage.
@@Olav_Hansen I know that, I was just making a joke -_-
@@TwilightWolf032 your joke sucks
considering good sound systems stay good for decades (especially when you don't have to deal with planned obsolescence Apps) yeah the 3.5mm is totally worth keeping
Yes, I still use the analog sound ports for 5.1 audio. I wouldn't buy a board if it didn't have those jack connections.
I bought a pretty top end Creative Labs 7.1 speaker setup maybe 10 years ago, and it's still going strong. I wouldn't buy it again if I had to replace it, but it's still working as well as the day I bought it, and has outlasted 5 motherboards in that time.
So yes, there are still people plugging in analog 7.1 speaker sets. 🙂
Video Idea: Those components/accessories that you keep from machine to machine, and new innovations that might make them worth replacing anyway.
That reminds me, did you all end up giving back the gold PC? I’ve only been seeing the intricately-designed PC from a recent video. That aside, at least this UA-cam channel lives up to the name.
I use the surround sound ports on my boards all the time but then again, I'm doing a ton more than just gaming including music abd data so yeah, it's important in the case for music for best sound possible. You always want the best possible mic for recording but you definitely want the best possible audio out in order to hear the quality of my music. In the metal I play, it is necessary to every extent that you have the best quality sound output available. The difference between low and mid quality to high quality is a world of difference. So the fact that they have onboard optical audio for surround is awesome.
I still have a creative set of 4.1 analogue speakers. I haven't got them set up at the moment but I am intending to use them again at some point. The 4 real speakers are so good for some games, allowing you to hear where you are being shot at from.
As a Threadripper/Noctua/Fractal fanboy, this video has me drooling, saying "MOAR!!!!" 🤤
I had never used or considered using the audio ports on the back of the motherboard UNTIL literally 2 days ago I was fortunate to receive a pair of wall powered studio monitors that take RCA or quarter inch input, so I ordered a cable to use them with my pc that actually just arrived as I was typing this haha
Why would you use the rca out from the motherboard? A dedicated dac is way superior.
@@jaky3 No reason I guess. They were free and I'm cheap. I mainly wear a headset anyway
You should try running Stable Diffusion on workstation builds like this. Would love to see some AI workloads being used :)
the buildredux ad you did is hilarious love the videos that all of you work so hard to create and i always tell my other tech friends to check you guys out never quit yall are amazing my favorite group on youtube
This bait won't make ma watch the ad, random LTT employee on probation #69
@@Jolbulka just a huge fan of their work lol.
I'm still rocking a Creative 5.1 surround sound set I got as a gift back in around 2007. Daily use, moved a bunch of times and it still works. Got to love Creative quality.
i honestly find this look much more appealing than all the rg and windows and whatever things ppl put in their pc's now, this is all power, all performance, all business.
Brown Noctuas aren't better than the blacked-out ones, but the builds they go in, are always better.
I wonder if people are rather interested in videos about super expensive high end hardware or rather affordable one that anybody can easily get 🤔🙏
@@ArniesTech Both.
My Christmas. LTT screw driver. Another Ifixit kit and a LTT backpack. Thanks for having good quality LTT
Bluetooth audio or wireless audio has a delay, optical is not common place, so analog or usb (dac) seems to be the only sane option
YES! I use all the surround sound ports for a home theater setup. I have an older Denon receiver that's still an absolute beast for my living room but because it's older I need to run all the audio cables. I am planning on doing a minor upgrade of the PC and switching to the TOSLINK however since we have 5.1 and not 7.1.
ALWAYS include audio ports!
Yep. Full 7.1 worth of speakers pluged in and used. Love it for gaming
I use the analog audio ports for my Logitech Z-5500, works great 😃
Wait that is actually the big 5.1 Kit from back in the day right? Absolut nostalgia!
This is similar how I built mine in my old R5: No windows, Aorus Master, 5950X, RX5700XT and brown fans everywhere, including side fan. All cable managed and stealth.
So you could say say “ShortCircuit” shorted a circuit. 🦖
"short cutcuit" 💀💀
@@bigtitmaster I fixed it 😉
@@luxzien should've left it
🦖
Nah. That's not what a short is.
Yes. Surround sound on 3.5mm jacks is still very much the thing I would use.
Now that pc is outta pocket
( quite literally)😂
I wonder if people are rather interested in videos about super expensive high end hardware or rather affordable one that anybody can easily get 🤔🙏
5:00 Yes, we do. We need it. As some budget audio setups/speakers only allow for analog surround speakers. In my case it's the Logitech Z506.
12:37 using the OptiX API instead of CUDA on Nvidia RTX devices can really increase performance and show the true power of the GPUs when rendering in blender.
14:58 Like a true member of the Mechanicus, appeasing the machine spirit.
11:40 that one annoying fly in the middle of the night
Bell just lurking in the background getting everything ready
Yes I use a 5.1 audio system on my pc Linus 😂
it still makes sense to use those ports. I use them for my speakers/sub using two of the ports, then connect my headset to the line-in and retask it to headphones so it's the same audio device as speakers and all I need to do is turn speakers down and turn headphones up, as well as use the mic-in. the only ones I don't use are rear/side speakers
"Sometimes it's not about the looks" he says about one of the nicest looking computers on the channel in a long time.
I'm so sick of this RGB everything BS. Give me a clean computer with no window any day. So much prettier and sleeker looking.
This case is something I'd actually put on my desk, not something with a window and tons of RGB. I don't want or need to look at the inside of my computer... ever...
Really can't wait for the trend of windows and RGB to die.
Ooh! Me! Me! Me! I love my surround sound setup using all those jacks! Super convenient!
I miss the days when Short Circuit covered cool tech that the average person would be interested in...
As someone who started building PC's for productivity I really enjoy these "business" style builds
I use a 5.1 on my PC, but I rather use a real sound card to drive it, than those (mostly) mediocre on board audio solutions.
Creative and Turtle Beach dropped the massive ball on that. They both could have been audio chipset standards on motherboards. Creative specifically didn't bother for greedy reasons and look where they are now. You don't even hear them mentioned in audio talks anymore other than nostalgia.
@@Ancientreapers I have to say, that Creative had a few issues a few years ago, in my previous system I had the Soundblaster Z and the driver had issues for years after every function update. When they released the Z SE, the old one got the same suite and driver and all issues vanished. With the AE-5 I have in my new rig, which uses the same driver package with Windows 11 I had not a single issue after upgrading to 22H2. They should really get more praise for what they achieved, I know there are on board solutions by Creative, but I don't think they deliver the same, or would ever have been able to, than their dedicated sound cards.
Love the viewsonic monitor, great bit of kit. Has great under stated looks and great performance
wow, ShortCircuit finally living up to it's name. Proud of you, my boy.
2:47, as a french person, i love when you put french words randomly ahah
Well there on Canada, and Linus went to a summer camp to learn French lmao
I'm using the audio ports to put in and out different channels to an external mixer. This way I can have communication and game sounds on different volumes, adjustable without alt-tabbing.
I have analog speakers on my latest build. They're actually carried over from the '90s, and still better than any other speakers in the house, even if they were never top tier. They just work, and don't need software.
Yes, INCLUDE the speaker ports, i love my 5.1 surround sound on my PC.
I use SoundBlaster Z but yes of course I use 3.5mm jacks. That's the best way to hook up surround speakers to PC for immersive gaming and listening to music. All my PC's have some kind of SoundBlaster in them and I hope Creative never stops making them.
I'd love to have this machine as my simulation workstation, right now I have to start bigger simulations in the evening to let them run over night because it wouldn't be feasable during work hours. With this I guess I'd get them done in my lunch break, what a monster.
This channel is the ONLY Linus channel I'm actually subscribed to with NOTIFICATIONS turned on!
Yes I love all the audio outputs on my pc it makes for easy and amazing surround sound
I don`t know what to be more impressed of - the speed of the rendering or Linus` ability to hold a note.
FINALLY!! A LMG vídeo where the nomenclature used for USB 3 is USB 3 + the speed, as I’ve been asking for ages, instead of using the misleading IF names and just complaining about it
Yes continue to include the surround sound ports
Yes, I still use surround sound on my setup. Makes shooters super immersive and in Team Fortress 2, I can hear footsteps and Spies actually behind me.
this thing is amazing!!!! the dual 3090TIs and that motherboard is nuts!
Daaaamn, thats cool, not that imma ever have anything simular, but its cool and i love to see cool stuff
I bought the VRLA Centaur after your review Linus , I upgraded the ram to 64 gigs of Royal Z, I7 10700k with the evga rtx 3080 ftw3 ultra and except for them including some low end SSD and a 10 year old HHD that died, its been great. All running to the samsung 49 inch ultrawide
The channel name represents this video really well!
Linus, I still hook up my Logitech Z-5500 5.1 speakers. And they still, to this day, 18 years later. sound better than anything else I have in my house, my parents houses, my friends houses......They still rock. I still have to manage the bass as it will quite literally shake my apartment apart, lol. So yes, keep those analog audio jacks.
I still have an old set of 5.1 Logitech speakers that use analog connectors! They’re one of the old pairs from like 2010. Still works great!
5:06 Yes I do. I don't like headphones and I love watching movies on my PC with surround sound and I love listening to music with some nice bass.
I go old school with my sound when ever i'm doing my arts and crafts and I still have my first surround sound system that I bought with my first paycheck from my first job 18 years ago.
Optical port is very welcome yes
YES they need to include the audio jack ports!
So funny, I have a Fractal Design R7 XL(9 years old?) that still has a lightscribe burner. This case does last forever, extremely durable, and versatile.
Playing in surround sound seems nice
Yes, I still use those analog surround outputs with a mid-2000s Denon AV receiver.
I actually do use 7.1 audio with my desktop. It's pretty fun and easy to do with DIY. In certain games, especially if you can increase the volume, it can really help since you actually know behind you vs in front of you. Was a must-have when I competitively played MW2019 for a bit.
My setup was actually some nice speakers for the front, then in the rear, I had two sets of crappy logitech speakers with one speaker cut off, and a 3.5mm splitter so I could get some good range on the cables. The best part? My motherboard doesnt have 7.1 so I used a soundcard, in 2020!
Today I use an actual set of 7.1 PC speakers, but I leave the rear ones off since, if Im gaming, I'm usually using headphones to keep the fam and neighbors happy. I will say, when watching content, having a center channel does make it sound significantly better.
Correction, 5.1 everything*
Yes they should include those ports, my main gaming system is still hooked up using analog speakers into an old Yamaha Receiver.
My Ryzen 5600x / RTX 3080 gaming rig uses 5.1 surround while my Ryzen 1600x / GTX 1060 media PC uses SPDIF. Both computers are hooked up to the same Logitech Z-5500 (1010 watts surround). Until I start seeing better computer speakers, I'll continue using these ancient but still awesome speakers.
Yes we still use the audio ports, I use the spdif port on my mobo for surround, It's the cheaper option in the meantime, before needing to replace my whole receiver for an 4k or 8k 2.1 Earc/HDMI surround setup.
I actually use the analog "surround sound" jacks on a motherboard for a unconventional usecase. I split the jacks up in software under linux then plug in different devices to each port if I want to have multiple sound system zones that I maybe cant hook up over hdmi or optical. I use the line in to grab audio from my game consoles if I wanna game and still have audio from my desktop as well
I actually used the line out for audio up to 5 days ago... got rid of it because of noise in the audio due to lack of shielding. Light doesn't care about that.
I also got this case and really like it! enough space allthough I would've liked it if the front fan mounting wasn't as bulky because it does obstruct quite a bit of the fans when you use 140mm fans. (liquid freezer II 420mm in my case)
optical sucks tho it has super limited surround unlike analog which can do any kinda surround.
@@gamagama69 I'm not sure what you mean exactly but if you mean the options of surround (decoding) types, that is not really a problem for me because I run 2.2 audio and have no center or surround channels of any kind.