From a physics perspective, inserts are to avoid air going through the walls of the barrel and keep the energy behind the paintball, so we use less air to reach max velocity and make each shot more velocity consistent. But then this barrel as I see it will add friction, that friction will lower velocity and also more pressure on the shell of the paintball. I don't know if this extra friction is worth.
Once the paintball is past the control bore we learned from Tom Kaye and Simon Stephens spending a LOT of money on testing with glass barrels creating Perfect circle, that the paintball tends to ride the top of the barrel given any gap. The friction provided by these inserts , provided they are soft enough should in theory be similar to the friction/ drag forces on the ball in a traditional barrel assuming that the transfer from the control bore to the inserts and from the inserts to the barrel front is not too abrupt.
@@panchopistola8298 thankfully most of the homework has been done for us. right now while it's a "boring" ( lol) answer? ANY barrel kit with a bore of 8" which gets you a good overbore for any open bolt marker or a good underbore on a closed bolt marker ( strictly to avoid roll-outs) when coupled with a good steady source of consistently regulated air will give you great results. A shorter size matched bore won't be as consistent, but still will be consistent. Boom. There's your accuracy for a round ball projectile. no "rifling" does not improve matters.. it's a paintball travelling sub 300 FPS.. decidedly subsonic so there would be no real tangible benefit. Anything past good bores, good clean tips, good paint and a consistent reg in regards to launching a paintball is Gilding the Lilly at best, and pure Hokum at worst. The good news? We are almost spoiled for choice of known great barrels today.
@@reignick1133 I think that the barrel works, I’ve seen other videos, but you gotta tinker with it and I’m not sure I wanna do that when I just want to fling some paint . It’s still paintball for distance I’d just as soon use a flatline type barrel and then for accuracy maybe a shorter 14-16 inch . Markers have gotten more expensive and paintballs cheaper . Rap4 has a dimpled paintball that was cool but they didn’t last long sadly . 🤷🏾
@@panchopistola8298 I don't see it not working, but I also don't see it working any better than say an inception Stella Barrel properly sized to your paint. Think of it more like Jack Rice's alien Paintball " Sweep bolt" great bolt design.. but not because of any ( nonextant ) backspin, or any funky psuedophysics.. but good because it didn't allow for rollback. With this barrel? expect just a good barrel with a build in detent.
Dont know if ID choose apex flaps To "center" the Ball. Oveboring allows the ball To bounce the around while underboring elongates the Ball To match tru the barrel. Main benefit is of cource consistent cronoresults when changing paint mid game.
the ball doesn't really bounce around the barrel tip in the case of an overbore. Simon Stephens and tom Kaye through their development of Perfect Circle and calibrated glass barrels showed that in an overbore scenario the paint sort of rides the top of the barrel tip in an overbore. the result is less resistance, but more air wasted escaping around the projectile. Underbore produced the same ball riding the top of the barrel tip post bore result , but with increased gas efficiency at the cost of slightly more resistance due to slight projectile deformation. During the ROF wars this would have really mattered significantly as loaders such as the DYE Rotor while VERY fast applied too much torque to the ballstack essentially forming microfractures in the paint shells. This prestressing of the shell via a high torque loader + a fast and rough marker action + underbore could = "soup" Efficent & fast but risky. These days we don't run loaders with that much torque as we don't "need" and more importantly can't legally shoot 20+ BPS and our markers are pretty gentle. The efficiency gain from an underbore presents a lot less risk these days.
I dont understand why no one made the at85/ts1/at10 from tagline unisizers. They were a poly rubber of some sort that took air and filled around the rubber to ensure a complete fit. Tagline was ahead of the game by 20 years kt seems. Their markers were just too fickle
Reminds me of the Ronin Gear adjustable bore barrel they tried several years back.
That’s what that thing was. I could remember the thing but for the life of me couldn’t remember who made it.
@@somebrains5431 yeah, that thing was awful, and I imagine this thing will be awful.
@@kevinmreamsfor uneducated and the masses yes
Is there a shooting video with this Barrel versus other barrels
From a physics perspective, inserts are to avoid air going through the walls of the barrel and keep the energy behind the paintball, so we use less air to reach max velocity and make each shot more velocity consistent.
But then this barrel as I see it will add friction, that friction will lower velocity and also more pressure on the shell of the paintball. I don't know if this extra friction is worth.
Once the paintball is past the control bore we learned from Tom Kaye and Simon Stephens spending a LOT of money on testing with glass barrels creating Perfect circle, that the paintball tends to ride the top of the barrel given any gap.
The friction provided by these inserts , provided they are soft enough should in theory be similar to the friction/ drag forces on the ball in a traditional barrel assuming that the transfer from the control bore to the inserts and from the inserts to the barrel front is not too abrupt.
@@reignick1133yep lol 😂 everyone’s an expert on paintball barrels
@@panchopistola8298 thankfully most of the homework has been done for us. right now while it's a "boring" ( lol) answer?
ANY barrel kit with a bore of 8" which gets you a good overbore for any open bolt marker or a good underbore on a closed bolt marker ( strictly to avoid roll-outs) when coupled with a good steady source of consistently regulated air will give you great results.
A shorter size matched bore won't be as consistent, but still will be consistent.
Boom. There's your accuracy for a round ball projectile. no "rifling" does not improve matters.. it's a paintball travelling sub 300 FPS.. decidedly subsonic so there would be no real tangible benefit.
Anything past good bores, good clean tips, good paint and a consistent reg in regards to launching a paintball is Gilding the Lilly at best, and pure Hokum at worst.
The good news? We are almost spoiled for choice of known great barrels today.
@@reignick1133 I think that the barrel works, I’ve seen other videos, but you gotta tinker with it and I’m not sure I wanna do that when I just want to fling some paint .
It’s still paintball for distance I’d just as soon use a flatline type barrel and then for accuracy maybe a shorter 14-16 inch .
Markers have gotten more expensive and paintballs cheaper .
Rap4 has a dimpled paintball that was cool but they didn’t last long sadly .
🤷🏾
@@panchopistola8298 I don't see it not working, but I also don't see it working any better than say an inception Stella Barrel properly sized to your paint.
Think of it more like Jack Rice's alien Paintball " Sweep bolt" great bolt design.. but not because of any ( nonextant ) backspin, or any funky psuedophysics.. but good because it didn't allow for rollback.
With this barrel? expect just a good barrel with a build in detent.
Dont know if ID choose apex flaps To "center" the Ball. Oveboring allows the ball To bounce the around while underboring elongates the Ball To match tru the barrel. Main benefit is of cource consistent cronoresults when changing paint mid game.
the ball doesn't really bounce around the barrel tip in the case of an overbore. Simon Stephens and tom Kaye through their development of Perfect Circle and calibrated glass barrels showed that in an overbore scenario the paint sort of rides the top of the barrel tip in an overbore.
the result is less resistance, but more air wasted escaping around the projectile.
Underbore produced the same ball riding the top of the barrel tip post bore result , but with increased gas efficiency at the cost of slightly more resistance due to slight projectile deformation.
During the ROF wars this would have really mattered significantly as loaders such as the DYE Rotor while VERY fast applied too much torque to the ballstack essentially forming microfractures in the paint shells.
This prestressing of the shell via a high torque loader + a fast and rough marker action + underbore could = "soup"
Efficent & fast but risky.
These days we don't run loaders with that much torque as we don't "need" and more importantly can't legally shoot 20+ BPS and our markers are pretty gentle.
The efficiency gain from an underbore presents a lot less risk these days.
Anyone studied how Many times paint bounces off the barrelwall when over vs underbored? Does the amount give significant variaation?
you gonna be doing testing on it?
5:59 are these not orings? Or actual plastic
Might be solid for autocockers. Considering how inconsistent paint is these days
My thoughts exactly
Seems overly complicated for an aluminum tube.
I dont understand why no one made the at85/ts1/at10 from tagline unisizers. They were a poly rubber of some sort that took air and filled around the rubber to ensure a complete fit. Tagline was ahead of the game by 20 years kt seems. Their markers were just too fickle
Hmmmm, I wonder how it would do with 5 star🤔
Valken is going to sue them for the copyright of the perfect paintball and they are going to settle with taking the rights to this barrel
Anyone use this yet that can give some feedback