The best playstyle I’ve found for them seems to be to play as dagger in the back line since she has the ranged attack, and focusing on healing, using her abilities as needed, then when the enemy starts getting kinda low or a big teamfights happening (just kinda have to judge when that is), I’ll switch to cloak, use his e blind, take a few potshots, then use his dismiss to get back out of the middle-ish of the fight and switch back to dagger and use her abilities. You really just have constant ability usage if you time their cooldowns correctly
I'm not quite sure how the Devs intended for you to play them. Dagger has a good bit of damage, which is fast and consistent and ranged, where as Cloak lacks damage and range comparatively. I don't really know what the purpose of the healing wall is other than just another source of healing, maybe like they made the blind and had to make a dagger version? But even if you were to poke and heal as Cloak, the time it takes to switch and then cloak everyone seems to be just shy of being reactionary. It might take some time to get used to, and I really am enjoying her, but I think Cloak needs a few buffs or QoL changes to bring him up to Daggers usefulness.
@@scotttimbrell8632The healing wall acts like Anas made from overwatch if you are familiar with that. It increases the healing that teammates receives.
@@scotttimbrell8632 Cloak actually does more damage than dagger with the wall giving +20% damage received to the hit enemy as well. So you can put down a healing field for yourself, then absolutely nuke divers with cloak if they get too close. If you're low, just dip with the fade
@@the_lilac_lady8960 Yeah I've been recently looking at her kit and she has a few tricks I didn't notice before but yeah I dunno, still something feels off
@@HONEYMO0N. yeah I've just got and combed through her kit on the site and there might be a few combos you can do, but generally speaking I still dont really have a good grasp on what you're meant to be doing at a time to time basis. Are you meant to fully heal and then fully pressure? Or rotate depending on cooldowns? I'll give it a few more games to figure it out. Thanks anyway
@@Caiofocashe literally objectively has the second highest healing in the game… ult stacked over itself 3 times heals 660/sec which is almost triple luna’s…
Don't forget to put your bubble on the ground you heal yourself in it and your allies AND they receive more heal when they are in it, always be midline close to frontline with this character so you can heal your team easily and the moment some enemy are very low you can just swap to Cloak and finish the kill. This is one of the best and most fun character I ever played.
I feel like Cloak's shroud ability never works for me, like I use it near my teammates and a single pebble gets in between us and it deactivates for them. Or it just doesn't enshroud them in the first place.
Not entirely sure how it works but if you attack or press right click it cancels the move. Following that logic maybe if your teammate attacks it cancels the move for them too? I'm just guessing, but I also think the move works on people who are in the circle radius of the move.
Cloak's suzu kinda doesn't work in solo q because your teammates need to not be shooting for the cleanse to stay, but teammates don't care and shoot regardless, removing the cleanse off of them immediately.
I just realised and am VERY surprised that in OW2 we don't have a hero who switches stance yet. The closer we get to that is Ram but it's time-based. There is also Ball but I wouldn't really call it a stance, and maybe Lucio but it changes only a passive aoe effect. Definitly an under-explored hero design space imo.
I remember back when Moira was revealed I was thinking she would be the first true stance-switching hero. It’s popular in mobas so I’m surprised more hero shooters haven’t tried to implement it.
I’m so happy that ML7 loves my favorite characters so far. Unfortunately this definitely means I’m NEVER gunna be the number 1 Cloak and Dagger main LOL
the cloaking range needs to be increased a bit, i almost never get anyone in the cloak with me to escape and i wish the walls functioned similarly to sigma's wall in ow.
I was thinking of trying to main c&d the only issue will be that i have to improve my positioning. They have very limited mobility and only have 1 escape tool so i feel like it will easy to get caught out. looks like lots of fun though
His “cleanse” ability is pretty good to get to high ground, if u hold jump as SOON as u use the ability u can go pretty high, but u HAVE to hold jump as soon as possible
It's been out for 10 hours and you already think there's a meta? I don't think C&D are on the same level as Jeff, or even Adam. They are the only new strategist, they are just being used ATM
Something ive been doing that I think is really cool is the following combo. Dagger Wall -> Cloak Wall -> Ultimate This can save your teammates in a pinch when healing is needed through the amplify and serve really good utility with the flash + damage increase. Honestly Cloak And Dagger are my favorite hero so far, you have so much utility and you can bring so much to the table. You do rely on needing good positioning, judgement and teammates to peel you. I found myself getting targeted/rushed by the enemy team damage and while Cloak's ability is good for get away + damage negation sometimes its not enough.
might not have noticed yet but dagger heals more with indirect shots because direct is like 10 and aoe is 18 so if there is an enemy close to a teammate you can hit the enemy and heal your teammate at the same time
I wish their walls were like like an individual Ana nade. Or jus increase the healing/blind/damage on them, considering the CD time.. Maybe just decrease the CD time by a second or two?
cloaks rightclick feels so clunky when i use it, feels like half my allies dont actually get the effect. it must cancel if you move or shoot or something
I saved so many mates with shroud against jeff and magnetos ult. They remind me of Sol from SMITE, which was one of my mains in that one. Very fun game!!!
After some thought, i concluded on why C&D feels lacking: 1. Dagger's left click heal is lackluster compared to other strategist, i get it her attack is homing so it's quite consistent but it feels bad to just heal 10 per hit, it should heal 15 at very least 2. Dagger's Dagger Storm were very crucial to her as it's her only way to heal herself if there's no other strategist in presence. Being punished to get dived after using it to your allies feels wrong and weird, so i hope the CD reduced from 15 sec to 11 sec 3. C&D stance swap have a bit of delay that while it's not really game changing, it does feels like you were stuck in process so i hope it was more faster as QoL 4. C&D ults were interesting and flashy but feels clunky with it could stuck on wall, each dash had delay to confirm the dash, AoE from ults feels weren't wide enough, etc. While it requires more efforts for dev, i hope the dash is more maneuverable and each dash have less delay
I agree on the second and fourth one, it should maybe have a more rounded hitbox. But I feel like they're great. I went on a 15 ko streak with them in quick play. Mind you, I'm fairly new to this type of game. I played a little bit of overwatch a while ago but that's it. It's really about knowing when to switch, and utilizing cooldowns properly. if you're heals are on cooldown you can just switch to cloak and use his shroud to buy some time for you and your team. Also depends on teammates. Being the only healer is hard, especially when you have a venom swinging like tarzan straight into the enemy team
Her primary fire is aoe healing she can get self heal from it if she close enough to the target but i get your point when alone she can only heal her with dagger storm
Imo i feel like c&d is an offhealer due to her strong healing ability stemming from her big light dome or whatever its called, she has more utility than healing and i think thats why c&d is a secondary heal choice
@@wasabilover1293 imo one of the only reasons you'd switch to cloak is to save teammates from dying with the cloak ability and to possibly stall with the blind against certain rushes/ultimates
This character is insane. You'll definitely know the difference between gameplay once you go against a really good Cloak and Dagger. I honestly feel like they will get a nerf. We will see in season 1 since the devs said their won't be any balance changes until then. They nerfed mantis for being too strong.
i HATE the ultimate auto trigger i really wish i could hold the dashes when i want them to. ontop of that, comparatively speaking to all other strategist ults, this one is abyssmal keeps me from wanting to main them over warlock as my support of choice
I’ve already had trouble with no one playing tank in my games. I played about 5 games last night and in three of those games no one would play tank. I hope it doesn’t stay that way.
@ now that I’ve played more I understand why I don’t get many people playing tank. It’s just really not that fun. While that is my opinion, I feel like this game was meant to be a dps centered game. But thanks for the advice.
@@lulu_TheWitchBoyIt's difficult because this game was made thinking in 2 tanks and 2 supports, one time I played as support with 5 dps, what should have done?
@@sthepcorms6747 you prioritize healing the dps that’s doing good, if they’re flanking then focus the ones who can’t flank. Won’t be easy, but you can make it atleast playable.
You changed the shift and right click settings for all heroes. Should have pressed Change Hero and chose Cloak & Dagger. Unless you're really applying the changes to all heroes.
Am I the only one who thinks they're really weak i feel like if they were to make the abilities work like moira where you pick healing or damage and just swap instantly they would feel infinitely better
@@scotttimbrell8632it’s hard to tell since the game just came out so everyone is probably bad but imo they feel good, like not too strong where u can’t be punished but u can also pop off if u play well
@@CesarCaballero-ui8tp Exactly what I'm thinking. People aren't really punishing you for being bad ATM, but as soon as they do, I don't think C&D will be able to keep up. Imo
The best playstyle I’ve found for them seems to be to play as dagger in the back line since she has the ranged attack, and focusing on healing, using her abilities as needed, then when the enemy starts getting kinda low or a big teamfights happening (just kinda have to judge when that is), I’ll switch to cloak, use his e blind, take a few potshots, then use his dismiss to get back out of the middle-ish of the fight and switch back to dagger and use her abilities. You really just have constant ability usage if you time their cooldowns correctly
I'm not quite sure how the Devs intended for you to play them.
Dagger has a good bit of damage, which is fast and consistent and ranged, where as Cloak lacks damage and range comparatively.
I don't really know what the purpose of the healing wall is other than just another source of healing, maybe like they made the blind and had to make a dagger version?
But even if you were to poke and heal as Cloak, the time it takes to switch and then cloak everyone seems to be just shy of being reactionary.
It might take some time to get used to, and I really am enjoying her, but I think Cloak needs a few buffs or QoL changes to bring him up to Daggers usefulness.
@@scotttimbrell8632The healing wall acts like Anas made from overwatch if you are familiar with that. It increases the healing that teammates receives.
@@scotttimbrell8632 Cloak actually does more damage than dagger with the wall giving +20% damage received to the hit enemy as well. So you can put down a healing field for yourself, then absolutely nuke divers with cloak if they get too close. If you're low, just dip with the fade
@@the_lilac_lady8960 Yeah I've been recently looking at her kit and she has a few tricks I didn't notice before but yeah I dunno, still something feels off
@@HONEYMO0N. yeah I've just got and combed through her kit on the site and there might be a few combos you can do, but generally speaking I still dont really have a good grasp on what you're meant to be doing at a time to time basis. Are you meant to fully heal and then fully pressure? Or rotate depending on cooldowns? I'll give it a few more games to figure it out. Thanks anyway
I think the best thing about this game is that outside of in game events, there'll definitely be high quality comic books for all the lore
I really hope they lean more into this idea of different heroes from different universes.
@mypantsarefilledwithbeans6508 I need my Ms marvel in this game I swear. Gwen too and maybe runaways characters
@@kiarie9288 Ms. Marvel would go crazy. Personally, I'm hoping they do Black Cat. Would be an interesting mechanic to implement.
@@mypantsarefilledwithbeans6508 I swear. it's gonna be so good. hoping the best for this game tbh
I keep forgetting to use my ult a lot of the time in this game. Pretty embarrassing; I'm so bad lol.
It's fine, Ults are the be all end all in this game
Yeah that is pretty bad
Get better please this would honestly make me mad
@@jewlliankaplan3946 Ya'll are acting like this is serious life over death. It's a GAME. That JUST CAME OUT. Not everyone plays OverStench
It's not entirely your fault, the ui just makes it hard to see in game
This character design is so fucking cool
The design is nice, but her healing is waaaay too underwhelming compared to every other supp in the game.
@@Caiofocashe literally objectively has the second highest healing in the game… ult stacked over itself 3 times heals 660/sec which is almost triple luna’s…
Don't forget to put your bubble on the ground you heal yourself in it and your allies AND they receive more heal when they are in it, always be midline close to frontline with this character so you can heal your team easily and the moment some enemy are very low you can just swap to Cloak and finish the kill. This is one of the best and most fun character I ever played.
10:05 You can scroll the mouse for changing too, don't need to press shift
I feel like Cloak's shroud ability never works for me, like I use it near my teammates and a single pebble gets in between us and it deactivates for them. Or it just doesn't enshroud them in the first place.
Not entirely sure how it works but if you attack or press right click it cancels the move. Following that logic maybe if your teammate attacks it cancels the move for them too? I'm just guessing, but I also think the move works on people who are in the circle radius of the move.
Cloak's suzu kinda doesn't work in solo q because your teammates need to not be shooting for the cleanse to stay, but teammates don't care and shoot regardless, removing the cleanse off of them immediately.
Yeah I've always felt the shroud was small range, doesn't last long at all, and is too slow to be reactionary. I think it needs buffs.
@@novelgianithat explains a lot, i see my teammates turn shrouded but some stay shrouded for a millisecond.
@minty2119 Yeah in solo q Cloak is much weaker. Cloak depends on actually communicating with your team the most out of all the supports
GOD DAMN THIS CHARACTER IS CAKED 😢
Theyre definitely my main. Such a fun character
I just realised and am VERY surprised that in OW2 we don't have a hero who switches stance yet. The closer we get to that is Ram but it's time-based. There is also Ball but I wouldn't really call it a stance, and maybe Lucio but it changes only a passive aoe effect. Definitly an under-explored hero design space imo.
I remember back when Moira was revealed I was thinking she would be the first true stance-switching hero. It’s popular in mobas so I’m surprised more hero shooters haven’t tried to implement it.
I’m so happy that ML7 loves my favorite characters so far. Unfortunately this definitely means I’m NEVER gunna be the number 1 Cloak and Dagger main LOL
I am 100% a Cloak & Dagger main - they’re SO fun
the cloaking range needs to be increased a bit, i almost never get anyone in the cloak with me to escape and i wish the walls functioned similarly to sigma's wall in ow.
it’s because if they’re attacking they lose the effect (or never get it of actively firing when you press the button)
I was thinking of trying to main c&d the only issue will be that i have to improve my positioning. They have very limited mobility and only have 1 escape tool so i feel like it will easy to get caught out. looks like lots of fun though
His “cleanse” ability is pretty good to get to high ground, if u hold jump as SOON as u use the ability u can go pretty high, but u HAVE to hold jump as soon as possible
Their defense isnt bad actually. IF you have bubble, you can self heal well while cloak is a strong duelist with the blind and easy damage.
@@CesarCaballero-ui8tp Thanks for the tip i will definitely try that out 👍
I think Luna + CloakDagger is the meta support for the general team comp
thank , well the meta. I love duality characters
Couldn't care less about the meta, its day 1 - let's just play whoever
It's been out for 10 hours and you already think there's a meta?
I don't think C&D are on the same level as Jeff, or even Adam.
They are the only new strategist, they are just being used ATM
thats cause people dont step in a jeff bubble enough
My name is jeffff
Something ive been doing that I think is really cool is the following combo.
Dagger Wall -> Cloak Wall -> Ultimate
This can save your teammates in a pinch when healing is needed through the amplify and serve really good utility with the flash + damage increase.
Honestly Cloak And Dagger are my favorite hero so far, you have so much utility and you can bring so much to the table. You do rely on needing good positioning, judgement and teammates to peel you. I found myself getting targeted/rushed by the enemy team damage and while Cloak's ability is good for get away + damage negation sometimes its not enough.
This character is amazing
You can mitigate so many ults with Cloaks ability I love this combo 🔥 healing is also really good when paired with Moon Knight
cloak and dagger is indeed a massive amount of fun
had to click the video to make sure this was indeed ml7, he looks so... not depressed anymore.
They remind me of Ram with how diverse the kit is
You can swap between cloak and dagger with mouse wheel, I find it more comfortable to use.
might not have noticed yet but dagger heals more with indirect shots because direct is like 10 and aoe is 18 so if there is an enemy close to a teammate you can hit the enemy and heal your teammate at the same time
I wish their walls were like like an individual Ana nade.
Or jus increase the healing/blind/damage on them, considering the CD time..
Maybe just decrease the CD time by a second or two?
Use dagger to poke/heal, then switch to cloak to cc enemies with blinds and reposition also to get picks/elims
theyre basically moira, love them
cloaks rightclick feels so clunky when i use it, feels like half my allies dont actually get the effect. it must cancel if you move or shoot or something
it does cancel when you shoot
I being enjoying mantis & rocket raccoon soo much. Doctor strange may be my vanguard
As a zarya player, magneto is my go to tank. He literally has bubble
These two are definitely my main now, they're so fun to play
I saved so many mates with shroud against jeff and magnetos ult. They remind me of Sol from SMITE, which was one of my mains in that one. Very fun game!!!
After some thought, i concluded on why C&D feels lacking:
1. Dagger's left click heal is lackluster compared to other strategist, i get it her attack is homing so it's quite consistent but it feels bad to just heal 10 per hit, it should heal 15 at very least
2. Dagger's Dagger Storm were very crucial to her as it's her only way to heal herself if there's no other strategist in presence. Being punished to get dived after using it to your allies feels wrong and weird, so i hope the CD reduced from 15 sec to 11 sec
3. C&D stance swap have a bit of delay that while it's not really game changing, it does feels like you were stuck in process so i hope it was more faster as QoL
4. C&D ults were interesting and flashy but feels clunky with it could stuck on wall, each dash had delay to confirm the dash, AoE from ults feels weren't wide enough, etc. While it requires more efforts for dev, i hope the dash is more maneuverable and each dash have less delay
Idk I'm a support main in OW and Cloak and Dagger actually feel very strong to me
This game definitely doesn't need more overwatch 2 Style support powercreep
I agree on the second and fourth one, it should maybe have a more rounded hitbox. But I feel like they're great. I went on a 15 ko streak with them in quick play. Mind you, I'm fairly new to this type of game. I played a little bit of overwatch a while ago but that's it. It's really about knowing when to switch, and utilizing cooldowns properly. if you're heals are on cooldown you can just switch to cloak and use his shroud to buy some time for you and your team. Also depends on teammates. Being the only healer is hard, especially when you have a venom swinging like tarzan straight into the enemy team
The character is fine really
Her primary fire is aoe healing she can get self heal from it if she close enough to the target but i get your point when alone she can only heal her with dagger storm
Imo i feel like c&d is an offhealer due to her strong healing ability stemming from her big light dome or whatever its called, she has more utility than healing and i think thats why c&d is a secondary heal choice
I dosjed out 20k healing solo easily with them, it just makes it so you cant swap to cloak as much
Nah, their heals is great even without great bubble use.
@@wasabilover1293 imo one of the only reasons you'd switch to cloak is to save teammates from dying with the cloak ability and to possibly stall with the blind against certain rushes/ultimates
Ill actually enjoy playing healer and tank in this game
I love cloak and dagger but they don’t do enough damage or heals in either mode . Plus they can’t crit hit at all
this is like if lifeweaver was good
as lw / moira main this is perfect for me love live c&d
I love the swap mechanic but its kinda sad that cloak cant tp in game. Like its his main thing
ML7 has to play the most complicated heroes. It's the only honorable way
Dude I played one match and I was already hooked on this game
I think cloak and dagger are very strong. The auto aim thing with dagger makes things so easy
This character is insane. You'll definitely know the difference between gameplay once you go against a really good Cloak and Dagger. I honestly feel like they will get a nerf. We will see in season 1 since the devs said their won't be any balance changes until then. They nerfed mantis for being too strong.
I still don’t know why they didn’t have you reveal this character tbh…
i HATE the ultimate auto trigger
i really wish i could hold the dashes when i want them to. ontop of that, comparatively speaking to all other strategist ults, this one is abyssmal
keeps me from wanting to main them over warlock as my support of choice
I’ve already had trouble with no one playing tank in my games. I played about 5 games last night and in three of those games no one would play tank. I hope it doesn’t stay that way.
Play tank yourself, or learn to play with what you got
@ now that I’ve played more I understand why I don’t get many people playing tank. It’s just really not that fun. While that is my opinion, I feel like this game was meant to be a dps centered game. But thanks for the advice.
@@lulu_TheWitchBoyIt's difficult because this game was made thinking in 2 tanks and 2 supports, one time I played as support with 5 dps, what should have done?
@@sthepcorms6747 you prioritize healing the dps that’s doing good, if they’re flanking then focus the ones who can’t flank. Won’t be easy, but you can make it atleast playable.
You changed the shift and right click settings for all heroes. Should have pressed Change Hero and chose Cloak & Dagger. Unless you're really applying the changes to all heroes.
Cloak and Dagger look great! Try Loki when you can
cloak and dagger is my main if anyone needs them on a team im down whenever
The flat homage in the thumbnail❤❤❤
Omg yesss they are my fav so far
Am I the only one who thinks they're really weak i feel like if they were to make the abilities work like moira where you pick healing or damage and just swap instantly they would feel infinitely better
They're not weak, just hard to get the hang of
They are very good lol
@@GenshinGhost Nah I don't think they are weak, just not necessarily strong.
Kinda like Rocket isn't weak, but he's not strong either
@@scotttimbrell8632it’s hard to tell since the game just came out so everyone is probably bad but imo they feel good, like not too strong where u can’t be punished but u can also pop off if u play well
@@CesarCaballero-ui8tp Exactly what I'm thinking. People aren't really punishing you for being bad ATM, but as soon as they do, I don't think C&D will be able to keep up. Imo
Subscribed for your future Marvel rivals content 👍 hope u play more
It's the day one but i have like 7 match lost lol.
You should try loki ml7
This looks like more of Paladin than Overwatch
I meant wasn’t supposed to necessarily look like any of them,it’s it’s own game
I wish I didn’t like this character so much, I don’t want to try any other healer besides Adam now.
Top tier marvel couple I luv em
Very high skill ceiling. Meaning its easy to get value off them.
No aim no brain
TOLL PAID
can dagger heal herself with the aoe of her primary fire?
I’m not sure, I’ve been using the force field thing to heal myself
Nope
@@sthepcorms6747 She can though? Unless I've been getting healed by someone else I've been healing from the AOE from the normal attack.
Is it crossplay ?
Why on second channel?
I was intimidated to try Cloak and Dagger, and I played and got MVP. 🤣 Which led me to play them 8 hours straight and now I'm a C&D lifer now.
What did you do for the other 3 hours? 😂
My mains
I played them and I really like their feel!
My god this character is fucking busted. Auto aim in both heal and damage? Nah that's just braindead.
me too
although i have game crashes every one-two matches so i can't play a lot ;_;
silly olaf :3
PEOPLE PLAY SUPPORT, yall complain about not surviving but don’t play supports. I had to go 5 rounds straight as support cause no one plays it
moira
Hate her voice but love everything else
somebody please outline the thumbnail as a soyjak. its just all too uncanny. Average cloak and reggiN enjoyer
Ok but why does cloak & dagger have the worst voice acting in the game
mAh TiMe TeH sHiNe
U might be on to something 😅
i didnt even notice 😂