When I was at school I wish I had a teacher like Sandy who had keep my attention by talking about stuff I was more interested... like EDM !!!! Note: In this unexpected dramatic event we live, what a unique combination of circumstances to have the Model Y been just delivered in very few number and Sandy be able to get one and started to describe it in detail, in a very entertaining way a little bit in the style of MythBusters ... Watching this video every morning is something like the song "Edelweiss, Edelweiss... Every morning you greet me..."
4:50 -- I have to say, that was probably the least disturbing way "Elvis," "whack it," and "the consistency of butter" could have ended up in the same sentence.
I love this series; fantastic work from Mr Munro & his team! Just a quick little note; at 8:35 those are actually 2D barcodes based off the old Denso Quick Reference (QR) design as there is no data in the depth dimension & can be stored in "flat" format i.e. paper. Normal shop barcodes are 1D as they only hold data in one dimension and are taller purely for ease of scanning. Stay safe & keep up being excellent!
I watched this episode a year ago when it first was posted, and now after getting a model Y last month I discovered this is one of the best features in the car. It is very energy efficient and provides almost instant cooling. I really like turning on the aircon/heater from my iphone so the car is perfect temperature when I get in. No more getting into a baking hot car, and I've let it run for a couple of hours with very little power usage from the battery. My first UA-cam Fan purchase too; I got the Munro t-shirt with the mechanical drawing of this contraption. Still waiting on delivery :)
Paul Braren Check my video if you are interested to know how Tesla model Y thermal management system works by controlling the octovalve. ua-cam.com/video/Ol9iv23An7I/v-deo.html
@@lingyanj7075 Thank you, what a huge effort creating that video must have been, I appreciate you sharing it! I have featured it here: tinkertry.com/replaced-my-gas-water-heater-with-more-efficient-hybrid-electric-rheem-review#may-12-2020-update Just a minor suggestion, regarding the thumbnail. For some reason, the thumbnail you used is blurry in my preview embedded window. If you are able to use a 1280x720 thumbnail for the UA-cam video instead, it would look much clearer in my experience.
@@TinkerTry Hi I am happy you like it. Thank you for sharing it and your suggestions. I just realized the thumbnail is so blurry - I just replaced it with a better one. yeah!
As an investor in Tesla, I really appreciate you breaking down the different components of Tesla vehicle parts it has really helped me better understand many catalysts and competitive advantages that the company has from a production/delivery standpoint
I really enjoy the education in car manufacturing your videos are providing. As a science and engineering geek I am learning a great deal. Thanks, keep it up. I look forward to future videos about anything else your company is doing.
That was the episode I had been looking forward to the most. The Octovalve episode. Thank you for doing this, Sandy. Very interesting to get a good look at the thing.
Lars Pallesen Check my video if you are interested to know how Tesla model Y thermal management system works by controlling the octovalve. ua-cam.com/video/Ol9iv23An7I/v-deo.html
Great video Sandy! Love the added in edits (EDM). Love your shout outs to service industry folks. Very happy to see you and your team shift into UA-cam and inform the curious. I get the sense that you are a “good dude”. Looking forward to your team’s UA-cam future. Hopefully we all get back to some what normal soon. Cheers
I think the EDM cuts in the manifold are for thermal isolation, to avoid unwanted heat flows between channels that have a high temperature differential.
Correct. Part dimension and temp delta are small enough that it's useless to compensate for thermal expansion. I'm actually more concerned with crack formation at the cut line end due to thermal stress. Otherwise the design look solid.
Sandy, i think the octovalve is a design you would see on an aircraft because Elon also owns SpaceX, and i have a pretty good feeling his engineers may well be working together.. awesome video
Yes, this is stated in TSLA SEC filings that resources and staff are shared between SpaceX & Tesla. It was previously mentioned by Elon that Cybertruck's body would be made from the same material as the current prototypes for the Mars-bound SpaceX Starship, so if this is ultimately what is done, efficiencies in manufacturing can be achieved.
Thanks for sharing so much information on the Model Y. You have given me confidence to own one as soon as Tesla production gets back on line. Now let's hope the OEMs start lining up to purchase your reports. I worked in the cell phone industry and this kind of information wqs invaluable to help us improve rapidly by not shooting for what we though was possible but what the best in class thought was possible. Thanks again!
Sandy your videos don't have to be just Tesla focused. I'd happily see you go over older cars a year or two out of date even and just say what you like on them manufacturing wise. I think what you offer is unique, in that it offers a true industry insiders view / decades of true manufacturing engineering knowledge. Please feel free to mix in other videos from other vehicles that you already have again 6 month to a year after initial reporting and just add that industry perspective. Top quality job as always mate and to the team!
Sandy, the Ford Pinto was my introduction to US automobiles in 1980. Hope you did not dictate its tank position. All my life I looked at engineering, never found a place between the most honest engineer that puts his invention into the public domain and the secretive patenter that locks up the best idea so the public never gets to see it. It took Elon to finally break so many rules for to good. My first job was at Dr Hans Schaffner who brought DFA from the US to Switzerland. In the lab we had no drawings but a careful collection of samples kept at precise locations with doubles for the assembly lines. With a fresh attitude of DFA we could takle giants like HP and IBM to quickly overcome urgent issues while they were stuck in traditional engineering. I have watched engineering and made endless suggestions for the better but everybody had rejected DFA if it coud be done the hard way. The model Y could be finally called an evolution worth waiting for. Good work, show the boys!
Wow, nearly one year later I am re-watching this after having to get the Supermanifold, what you called the base manifold (the big aluminum piece), replaced on my Model Y. We experienced no heat in the cabin issues at -40c over a month ago and Tesla towed our car away to get fixed. Four weeks later waiting for parts our car has been repaired with a new iteration "E" replacing our old series "B" Supermanifold along with the three P/T sensors. From your video I can see the part number on yours ending in a "B", our new part has the same number ending in an "E". Crazy! Thanks for this content which satisfied my curiosity.
Wow. You weren’t kidding about the Octo valve. Brilliant. Thanks for sharing. I honestly cannot believe that every automaker isn’t buying all of your Tesla reports.
Sandy, perhaps you could do some videos on serviceability with the Y. Since you've had to entirely disassemble the car, how difficult was it to access suspension and braking components, the radiator, other items that might normally wear and need replacement? All us DIYers and mechanics have litanies of horror stories on the difficulty of working on cars. I'm hoping this clean- sheet company is different in that regard, besides the obvious benefit of not needing regular engine or transmission attention.
I suspect the Cybertruck will be the first Tesla that has maintainability fully designed in. Reason for my suspicion: CT will be used as the vehicle on Mars. As such, it needs to be designed to have low probability of breaking and efficient maintain- and repairability.
Sir, I would love to see a comparison of all the components on most other cars compared to the Octovalve assembly we just saw. How many more parts and size differences and even an idea of the difference in cost to manufacture. I think that would put things in perspective on the improved engineering. Thank you and keep up the good work!
Wild Bill Arizona that will be in the money shot report that will pay him and his teams bills so he can keep on keeping on. You Tube is a new and disruptive way for Sandy to get his service out there.
Amazing complexity reminiscent of automatic transmission labyrinth. Lets hope it doesnt leak anywhere. I imagine all connections have O ring seals, which reminds me of Honda motors for some reason.
Sometimes as a Tesla investor I feel scared the other OEM's will copy stuff like this and use it to compete against Tesla. Then I remember by the time they copy and scale it Tesla will already have manufactured something more efficient and even more cost effective into their vehicles. So then I feel happy again.
Do you actually think other oems care about making stuff that lasts as long as this octovalve will? Hell no. And that's exactly why they will beat Tesla in the long run. As electric becomes the norm the big car manufacturers will overtake Tesla through their superior mass production techniques.
superspeeed Go sell your Ford, GM, FCA or whatever OEM stock you have. You have been loosing on it for a few years now while the market has only been going up and up and up. The same goes for Tesla, it’s only going up.
@@Designandrew I've been hearing that since 2008 and certainly since the launch of the Model S in 2012. Here it is 2020, a pandemic is upon us, the OEM's with their "superior" manufacturing have millions of backlogged cars with no buyers and no money left over to "catch-up". But keep believing - you gotta have faith otherwise you got nothing.
A year or two from now, after you have sold the report to everyone buying, you or one of your guys should do a presentation on the octovalve at the SAE conferences, or fully charged live, or at your own facility. I would buy a conference ticket just for this:)
you might be suprised, rocket engine design is really just highly advanced, high pressure plumbing, that moves highly volatile and uncooperative fluids.
@@avroarchitect1793 hey dumbass did you know the heart and blood vessels are like a big plumbing system too and kidneys clean and how the heart is a big electrical pump? Does this mean a cardiologist is designing valves for cars or heat pumps for tesla? The basic thing might be same but a cardiologist is not going to be doing plumbing work just because it involves a tube and fluids
dude chill I litterally went to school with aerospace engineers, this is litterally the way they described it to me, its a bit of a meme. On top of that I work with guys who tear apart jet engines for a living. Its really complex but at the end of the day its alot of plumbing. Also SpaceX and Tesla have worked together on parts before, having an engineer who is good with coolant systems do a quick, and honestly far easier job for Tesla just makes sence seeing as he owns both companies.
Probably because of the laser focus on the essentials like the range, performance, efficiency, longevity of the drive train and batteries, and less on the surface level details that are purely for pleasure.
Yep they need to up there customer service to stay with the big boys. They definitely get done things right, but the part people see are neglected. I don't know many people who don't pick cars on what they look like. The underpinning of cars are overlooked.
Love to see detailed comparison of the "numeric score video from last year that compared the model 3, i3, bolt etc. Good baseline for new Leaf tech,model y mach e id3 etc going forward to show evolution - competition ; one graph ,or whiteboard with strengths and weaknesses could be an ongoing source of data and views thanks for the best , most informative and entertaining ev content,bar none!
Mind blowing? Please... This snake oil has been selling since forever.... cold fusion, ultra capacitors, etc. Expect an incremental advance at best. That said it's these incremental advancements that push us forward... But mind blowing? Delusional and hyberbole.
@@kasibert2229 You need to get out more, or study some basic science and maybe you'll understand what mind blowing really is. Discovery of the neutron... mind blowing Discovery of x-rays... mind blowing Discovery/invention of a programmable computer... mind blowing Discovery of bacteria... mind blowing Discovery/invention of transistor... mind blowing Discovery of the neuron... mind blowing Discovery of black holes... mind blowing 10% increase.... nope, just the march of progress Mind blowing events are black swan events. They come out of nowhere, have tremendous impact, and people with hindsight wonder why it took so long to discover. If Musk announces a battery made from silicon, that costs pennies to manufacture, and has 1,00,000,000 times the performance of current tech, that'd be mind blowing. 10%, not so much.
the plastics award manifold, was designed by MG-rover (they was owned by bmw at the time iirc), it was to go on the KV6 engine. the purpose of the internal valves was to give variable intake length. my old MG ZT 190 had one .... i miss that car
Best wishes from a former car mechanic from NL. Love the interesting stuff (I know you aimed mainly to sell for good business) for me personally as a tech and car stuff lover
So well explained. Sandy Elon Musk has now such an advantage over many of his competition both in the automotive and Space industries He can overlap all best practice technologies from Tesla and SpaceX Plus he has experience in actual programing and Physics He is also opened to constructive criticism such as Sandy's (Rear Tesla Platform which went from 70 plus parts to ONE part) and promotes other people to submit ideas and solutions A one in a million Boss
Awesome video. Please push your products and service. We want you to be able to be a great employer for many years and continue to also educate those of us in the general public!
The popularity of this channel in regards to Tesla vehicles screams volumes. Many of us out here with like the same type of videos for other products. We aren't simply Tesla Fanboys we are engineering fanboys. Long story short you would gain my subscription from the breakdown of a Boeing jet engine or a Samsung washing machine.
It looks the today's algorithm is called Logan "wanna be friends?" I have seen Ted as well , both seem to be first or early posters. YT playing silly buggers?
Would love to see how the stepper valve body fits in. That's the actual functioning part of the whole thing. The eight port array on the bottom must fit in to a port or manifold set on the other components. Also is there a flow diagram around that shows the paths taken by the coolant at the various valve settings?
Great analyses as always by Sandy Munro. I wonder whether it would be possible to see the handheld XRF in action and some of the measurements/results of this in a next video? We use pXRF in archaeology for elemental analyses as well (we just did some 2500 year old glass beads a few months ago)
I would like to see Munro next do a teardown of a Chinese-built eSUV like the Volkswagen ID.4, an electric crossover based on the MEB platform. Lots of things for Sandy to talk about including historical stuff like VW platform evolution, Chinese manufacturing techniques, etc. .
The way that's put together reminds me of automatically routed printed circuit boards. Especially where you have different levels of power that need to go out different things and that goes through some switchgear chips or even in the old days relays. Kind of reminds me of crossbar switches in telephone exchanges as well.
The octo valve looks similar to the old old technology Wind or Pipe Organ. It allowed the air to travel to a organ flute or whistle by depressing a key on the Key Board.
I know you guys need to make a living but isn’t there a way to describe the basics of how this magnificent piece of engineering works without compromising your business
That will be in the report - he is not going give too much away.... But to make a long story short. Different part of the cars, at different time, need to be cooled or heated. Battery, motors, cabins, electronics, etc. The Octovalve directs the hot/cold fluid accordingly. For example, if the battery needs to be cooled, but the cabin is too cold, the Octovalve can direct the liquid through the battery, picking up the heat energy, and then direct it (or via the heat exchanger) to the cabin. That save energy than cooling the battery and warming the cabin separately. If there is a net heating/cooling requirement - run it through the heat pump (probably through another heat exchanger). So the theory is pretty straight forward. But it is the execution and design of the valve and manifold, plus the software and controls that set it apart.
Basically the octovalve is a vertically integrated version of a much more spread out version that is used by most other car manufacturers. Think of it as an integrated circuit for heating/colling :D
Ja'afar Abu Ta'a Check my video if you are interested to know how Tesla model Y thermal management system works by controlling the octovalve. ua-cam.com/video/Ol9iv23An7I/v-deo.html
When a man like Sandy utters "this is genius", everybody in the auto-industry should listen. In general the ICE-car manufacturers have been sitting on their asses for decades selling a product with build-in expiration dates for most of the parts for GREED. They could have done much better, but no, shareholder value was the ONLY aim in that game! I wish I could stand in front of all those arrogant people chewing their asses for decades of complacency... just because nobody wanted to stir up anything revolutionary to save our planet and consequently our asses! And all this because of one man, Elon Reeve Musk, who assembled a team of the best and brightest for our benefit.
@@onewhostudies6856 no one will perish they just gonna catch up slowly and in next 10-20 years they all will on same level for sure Tesla will need a few more years to add basic vehicle functionality other OEMS have mastered eg fit and finish and interior quality heck the cars dnot even have birds eye view for backup etc shit that these crap old ICE models haveh ad for years. no birds eye, no heads up display, no fancy self-leveling lighting systms etc. bmw has new laser lights, tesla just has basic shit, im a tesla investor but i dont get emotional i know what they do and dont have. it will tak ethem years to get to level of fit and perfection of materials like mercedes and bmw etc.
There's a reason for the stagnant auto industry and it's regulation. Compliance with emissions, safety and so on is super expensive so a small start-up can't afford to enter the market. Moreover, products being designed for a certain lifespan is not some grand conspiracy to destroy the world. Adding longevity adds cost. Consumers don't like to pay more money to have a car last a gazillion miles since it's going to be technologically obsolete at that point anyway.
Very well done details, they can lower the manufacturing costs with this design and set the amount of parts to an minimum. That's good. Thanks for the informations again. Dankeschön für das Video. 👍👍👍🇺🇸🚐🇺🇸😷😷😷 #stayathome #staysafe
Sandy, when you appear in other You-tubers shows, have them give you a copy of it for your channel so we can watch it all here and you get credit for it.
Fascinating! It occurred to me while I was watching Sandy on E for Electric and he was talking about the electronics in the Y, did he see any allowance for a Starlink receiver being added to the car?
The heat-pump expansion valve step solenoid is extremely interesting. How does it function and how is calibrated. Going from mechanical analog expansion valves with a direct temp/press connection to Tesla is like going straight from comatose to epiphany for me. Its mind bending. And complex. I’m a bit ancient but I don’t think I’m all that far out of the loop to consider it exceptional.
So interesting to see how that complex Octovalve manifold system is made. They look like expensive parts but they eliminate so many individual components it pays off. I would like to see an analysis of a much simpler assembly; the wheels and tires. Those extreme low profile tires look cool but they are prone to very expensive pothole damage. Why won’t Tesla offer 18” wheels with higher profile tires on the non-performance model Y? Is it impossible to get long range with that setup? A lot of people would like to off-road with the Model Y.
Every time I watch one of your videos, this question comes to my mind?! Why Not Start Your Own CAR COMPANY,?!?!?!?!? you have the knowledge, experience and the team to design and build your own cars and for sure, finding investors would be easy for someone with this level of fame?! I would love to see Munro electric cars.
jigil jigil would have to hire more engineers. Tesla's got the best of the crop. Where else would they want to work? So a harder task for Sandy to sift through and find the talent.
@@gwgplate2 yes, you are probably right, but there are other upcoming companies like Rivian who as far as I know have started with a small team of people and probably will have a large footprint in EV market in next decade or so, and Rivian is not the only one.
@@gwgplate2 By the way if you were in someone like Munro's position, wouldn't you prefer to have your own car company and build your own prefect cars with your name and logo on it instead of just telling others how to do it, I mean its so tempting and will be a legacy.
jigil jigil it’s not just a money factor it’s a time factor. Start ups have a lead time on average of 10 years to get to the best iteration if Tesla is used as a guide. Sandy knows the markets., manufacturing and materials and is not a one man show with his team. He would have to be very disruptive to leapfrog Tesla as there are things he admits he dosent know about.
Looks like the octovalve and octomanifold are ideas completely novel to the legacy car makers. Wondering how long it would take for them to get a me-too product in the market.
Greetings Sandy excellent, as usual, I believe HVAC and heat pump OEM will also be interested in the Oct Plus report. Leaks and longevity should I worry?
I think warranty period of 4 years is not much to worry about.. even closing in on 10 years the failure rate probably isn't bad... going to 20 years is when you're probably going to start seeing issues :D At that point thr octovalve might be more of a issue compared with a traditional setup, where you can more easily replace individual parts of the cooling/heating system.
For over 50 years, GM water pumps had a 30 - 40k mile life. I know, I bought a bunch of them. Either the bearing seal, the impeller or both would fail around every 30 or so oil changes at 1k miles.
I love the way he links his past life memories with every explanation ❤️
It is one of the most awesome things. It really makes me wish I was subscribed to more older UA-camrs
praveen andhra or tamil nadu?
Another day, another video. The tear down is already more interesting than news or other broadcasts. Things change so easily 😁
When I was at school I wish I had a teacher like Sandy who had keep my attention by talking about stuff I was more interested... like EDM !!!!
Note: In this unexpected dramatic event we live, what a unique combination of circumstances to have the Model Y been just delivered in very few number
and Sandy be able to get one and started to describe it in detail, in a very entertaining way a little bit in the style of MythBusters ...
Watching this video every morning is something like the song "Edelweiss, Edelweiss... Every morning you greet me..."
I didn't expect to get a closer view of the Octovalve.
Sandy was saying we would get individual parts as well multiple times in previous videos. I am happy he can deliver this much.
Jimmy Jones buy a report and this will give you a better understanding.
4:50 -- I have to say, that was probably the least disturbing way "Elvis," "whack it," and "the consistency of butter" could have ended up in the same sentence.
hot and wet. salty butttttterrrrr
I love this series; fantastic work from Mr Munro & his team! Just a quick little note; at 8:35 those are actually 2D barcodes based off the old Denso Quick Reference (QR) design as there is no data in the depth dimension & can be stored in "flat" format i.e. paper. Normal shop barcodes are 1D as they only hold data in one dimension and are taller purely for ease of scanning. Stay safe & keep up being excellent!
I’d love to see a video providing thoughts from Munro on Battery Day when it happens!
Who dares to dislike this top quality material!!
It's the people whose lives revolve around hating Tesla.
Anti-octopus coalition. Cold hearted schmucks.
I wanted to hear what he was saying but the camera kept moving around too much.
GM, Chrysler, Ford
The moment we've all been waiting for.
I watched this episode a year ago when it first was posted, and now after getting a model Y last month I discovered this is one of the best features in the car. It is very energy efficient and provides almost instant cooling. I really like turning on the aircon/heater from my iphone so the car is perfect temperature when I get in. No more getting into a baking hot car, and I've let it run for a couple of hours with very little power usage from the battery. My first UA-cam Fan purchase too; I got the Munro t-shirt with the mechanical drawing of this contraption. Still waiting on delivery :)
Love it! I can’t stop thinking about heat pumps, dumb residential HVAC, and now Octavalves, thank you, so much fun to see inside!
Paul Braren Check my video if you are interested to know how Tesla model Y thermal management system works by controlling the octovalve. ua-cam.com/video/Ol9iv23An7I/v-deo.html
@@lingyanj7075 Thank you, what a huge effort creating that video must have been, I appreciate you sharing it! I have featured it here:
tinkertry.com/replaced-my-gas-water-heater-with-more-efficient-hybrid-electric-rheem-review#may-12-2020-update
Just a minor suggestion, regarding the thumbnail. For some reason, the thumbnail you used is blurry in my preview embedded window. If you are able to use a 1280x720 thumbnail for the UA-cam video instead, it would look much clearer in my experience.
@@TinkerTry Hi I am happy you like it. Thank you for sharing it and your suggestions. I just realized the thumbnail is so blurry - I just replaced it with a better one. yeah!
As an investor in Tesla, I really appreciate you breaking down the different components of Tesla vehicle parts it has really helped me better understand many catalysts and competitive advantages that the company has from a production/delivery standpoint
Ditto invaluable for maintaining confidence in holding the stock! 1500 target please!
I really enjoy the education in car manufacturing your videos are providing. As a science and engineering geek I am learning a great deal. Thanks, keep it up. I look forward to future videos about anything else your company is doing.
Sandy, I hope you find a way to keep making videos. You’re a natural as a UA-camr, hope you find a way to stay with it.
Not to worry, we're definitely planning on carrying the momentum forward into more teardowns and more videos. Thanks for tuning in!
That was the episode I had been looking forward to the most. The Octovalve episode. Thank you for doing this, Sandy. Very interesting to get a good look at the thing.
Lars Pallesen Check my video if you are interested to know how Tesla model Y thermal management system works by controlling the octovalve. ua-cam.com/video/Ol9iv23An7I/v-deo.html
Very impressive, as expected. Thank you for showing this, Sandy. Any further video on this will be most welcome!
Great video Sandy! Love the added in edits (EDM). Love your shout outs to service industry folks. Very happy to see you and your team shift into UA-cam and inform the curious. I get the sense that you are a “good dude”. Looking forward to your team’s UA-cam future. Hopefully we all get back to some what normal soon. Cheers
What I love about this channel is that this content could only be made by a person like Sandy, who has decades of rigorous experience.
Been waiting all my life for this!
I think the EDM cuts in the manifold are for thermal isolation, to avoid unwanted heat flows between channels that have a high temperature differential.
Correct. Part dimension and temp delta are small enough that it's useless to compensate for thermal expansion. I'm actually more concerned with crack formation at the cut line end due to thermal stress. Otherwise the design look solid.
Sandy, you're the greatest! Munro Live: The perfect combination of insight and entertainment.
Sandy, i think the octovalve is a design you would see on an aircraft because Elon also owns SpaceX, and i have a pretty good feeling his engineers may well be working together.. awesome video
We are. 😉
@@Questchaun Awesome! Technology is the fundamental core of future evolution. Keep it up!
Yes, this is stated in TSLA SEC filings that resources and staff are shared between SpaceX & Tesla. It was previously mentioned by Elon that Cybertruck's body would be made from the same material as the current prototypes for the Mars-bound SpaceX Starship, so if this is ultimately what is done, efficiencies in manufacturing can be achieved.
Thanks for sharing so much information on the Model Y. You have given me confidence to own one as soon as Tesla production gets back on line. Now let's hope the OEMs start lining up to purchase your reports. I worked in the cell phone industry and this kind of information wqs invaluable to help us improve rapidly by not shooting for what we though was possible but what the best in class thought was possible. Thanks again!
TESLA Fremont might start Production MONDAY.
Sandy your videos don't have to be just Tesla focused. I'd happily see you go over older cars a year or two out of date even and just say what you like on them manufacturing wise. I think what you offer is unique, in that it offers a true industry insiders view / decades of true manufacturing engineering knowledge. Please feel free to mix in other videos from other vehicles that you already have again 6 month to a year after initial reporting and just add that industry perspective.
Top quality job as always mate and to the team!
Well that settles it: Sandy Munro just used the term “genius” to describe the Octovalve.
And we will never know who the genius was. He will probably get a gold pen when he is forced out for early retirement.
@@rossnoble7956 that's dark. Most likely designed by a team.
It’s a plastic reversing valve. Wow
Sandy, the Ford Pinto was my introduction to US automobiles in 1980. Hope you did not dictate its tank position. All my life I looked at engineering, never found a place between the most honest engineer that puts his invention into the public domain and the secretive patenter that locks up the best idea so the public never gets to see it. It took Elon to finally break so many rules for to good. My first job was at Dr Hans Schaffner who brought DFA from the US to Switzerland. In the lab we had no drawings but a careful collection of samples kept at precise locations with doubles for the assembly lines. With a fresh attitude of DFA we could takle giants like HP and IBM to quickly overcome urgent issues while they were stuck in traditional engineering. I have watched engineering and made endless suggestions for the better but everybody had rejected DFA if it coud be done the hard way. The model Y could be finally called an evolution worth waiting for. Good work, show the boys!
Wow, nearly one year later I am re-watching this after having to get the Supermanifold, what you called the base manifold (the big aluminum piece), replaced on my Model Y. We experienced no heat in the cabin issues at -40c over a month ago and Tesla towed our car away to get fixed. Four weeks later waiting for parts our car has been repaired with a new iteration "E" replacing our old series "B" Supermanifold along with the three P/T sensors. From your video I can see the part number on yours ending in a "B", our new part has the same number ending in an "E". Crazy! Thanks for this content which satisfied my curiosity.
Glad you are finally including an explanation of some of the unique terms you use such as "die-locked" in this vid.
Wow. You weren’t kidding about the Octo valve. Brilliant. Thanks for sharing. I honestly cannot believe that every automaker isn’t buying all of your Tesla reports.
Sandy, perhaps you could do some videos on serviceability with the Y. Since you've had to entirely disassemble the car, how difficult was it to access suspension and braking components, the radiator, other items that might normally wear and need replacement? All us DIYers and mechanics have litanies of horror stories on the difficulty of working on cars. I'm hoping this clean- sheet company is different in that regard, besides the obvious benefit of not needing regular engine or transmission attention.
I suspect the Cybertruck will be the first Tesla that has maintainability fully designed in. Reason for my suspicion: CT will be used as the vehicle on Mars. As such, it needs to be designed to have low probability of breaking and efficient maintain- and repairability.
Sir, I would love to see a comparison of all the components on most other cars compared to the Octovalve assembly we just saw. How many more parts and size differences and even an idea of the difference in cost to manufacture. I think that would put things in perspective on the improved engineering. Thank you and keep up the good work!
Wild Bill Arizona that will be in the money shot report that will pay him and his teams bills so he can keep on keeping on.
You Tube is a new and disruptive way for Sandy to get his service out there.
Wild Bill - see TESLA Superbottle.
Amazing complexity reminiscent of automatic transmission labyrinth. Lets hope it doesnt leak anywhere. I imagine all connections have O ring seals, which reminds me of Honda motors for some reason.
Sometimes as a Tesla investor I feel scared the other OEM's will copy stuff like this and use it to compete against Tesla. Then I remember by the time they copy and scale it Tesla will already have manufactured something more efficient and even more cost effective into their vehicles. So then I feel happy again.
Do you actually think other oems care about making stuff that lasts as long as this octovalve will? Hell no. And that's exactly why they will beat Tesla in the long run. As electric becomes the norm the big car manufacturers will overtake Tesla through their superior mass production techniques.
superspeeed Go sell your Ford, GM, FCA or whatever OEM stock you have. You have been loosing on it for a few years now while the market has only been going up and up and up. The same goes for Tesla, it’s only going up.
This is what Munro does as a business, they buy a vehicle, tear it down and sell the analysis to other car companies for a large fee.
@@Designandrew I've been hearing that since 2008 and certainly since the launch of the Model S in 2012. Here it is 2020, a pandemic is upon us, the OEM's with their "superior" manufacturing have millions of backlogged cars with no buyers and no money left over to "catch-up". But keep believing - you gotta have faith otherwise you got nothing.
@Jimmy Edward China has enough problems as is with The three gorges dam. Hard to copy car parts when you're up to your neck in flood water.
A year or two from now, after you have sold the report to everyone buying, you or one of your guys should do a presentation on the octovalve at the SAE conferences, or fully charged live, or at your own facility. I would buy a conference ticket just for this:)
kschleic9053 another live stream so long-distance perspectives and queries can be fielded.
Stunning. These are great videos Sandy. Thanks for sharing these.
It’s almost like that Octavalve was designed by someone that also designs rocket engines. Awesome engineering Elon and the Tesla team.
a rocket engine designer is not gonna be doing valve work
you might be suprised, rocket engine design is really just highly advanced, high pressure plumbing, that moves highly volatile and uncooperative fluids.
@@avroarchitect1793 hey dumbass did you know the heart and blood vessels are like a big plumbing system too and kidneys clean and how the heart is a big electrical pump? Does this mean a cardiologist is designing valves for cars or heat pumps for tesla? The basic thing might be same but a cardiologist is not going to be doing plumbing work just because it involves a tube and fluids
dude chill I litterally went to school with aerospace engineers, this is litterally the way they described it to me, its a bit of a meme. On top of that I work with guys who tear apart jet engines for a living. Its really complex but at the end of the day its alot of plumbing.
Also SpaceX and Tesla have worked together on parts before, having an engineer who is good with coolant systems do a quick, and honestly far easier job for Tesla just makes sence seeing as he owns both companies.
One day Tesla might actually make a profit
It still amazes me that Tesla can be so far ahead on the difficult things but be behind on the easy things (for example paint)
Probably because of the laser focus on the essentials like the range, performance, efficiency, longevity of the drive train and batteries, and less on the surface level details that are purely for pleasure.
Musk generally hates normal stuff, so his main focus is always on the core technology- drivetrain, battery, efficiency, software.
@M J Smith Plus getting a good finish on aluminium is hard.
Yep they need to up there customer service to stay with the big boys.
They definitely get done things right, but the part people see are neglected.
I don't know many people who don't pick cars on what they look like. The underpinning of cars are overlooked.
Ryan Sandy has been punting a paint specialist in Elon and Tesla's direction.
If they employ him the paint will be shmick.
One of the great traditions in hockey!
Thanks Sandy.
Much anticipated episode!
Love to see detailed comparison of the "numeric score video from last year that compared the model 3, i3, bolt etc. Good baseline for new Leaf tech,model y mach e id3 etc going forward to show evolution - competition ; one graph ,or whiteboard with strengths and weaknesses could be an ongoing source of data and views thanks for the best , most informative and entertaining ev content,bar none!
Amazing design and engineering from Tesla
Add this to the mind blowing battery advancement coming on battery day.......
Mind blowing? Please... This snake oil has been selling since forever.... cold fusion, ultra capacitors, etc. Expect an incremental advance at best.
That said it's these incremental advancements that push us forward... But mind blowing? Delusional and hyberbole.
@@ericfermin8347 1 Million Life battery is not incremental + I expect at least 10% more energy density which is not incremental either
That is pretty mind-blowing
@@kasibert2229 You need to get out more, or study some basic science and maybe you'll understand what mind blowing really is.
Discovery of the neutron... mind blowing
Discovery of x-rays... mind blowing
Discovery/invention of a programmable computer... mind blowing
Discovery of bacteria... mind blowing
Discovery/invention of transistor... mind blowing
Discovery of the neuron... mind blowing
Discovery of black holes... mind blowing
10% increase.... nope, just the march of progress
Mind blowing events are black swan events. They come out of nowhere, have tremendous impact, and people with hindsight wonder why it took so long to discover.
If Musk announces a battery made from silicon, that costs pennies to manufacture, and has 1,00,000,000 times the performance of current tech, that'd be mind blowing. 10%, not so much.
@@ericfermin8347 Well If u think this isn't mind-blowing then u just don't understand the implementation of this battery
Great video, as always! Tesla are really doing things and employing techniques that no other car maker are.
Not just Tesla, lots of manufacturers try to do things differently... Sometimes they work sometimes they don't.
"Untangle Club" have a fantastic series of videos showing schematically how this system is working, what this valve is actually doing.
the plastics award manifold, was designed by MG-rover (they was owned by bmw at the time iirc), it was to go on the KV6 engine. the purpose of the internal valves was to give variable intake length. my old MG ZT 190 had one .... i miss that car
Best wishes from a former car mechanic from NL. Love the interesting stuff (I know you aimed mainly to sell for good business) for me personally as a tech and car stuff lover
Thank you for another great episode! Good to hear you're making money too Sandy.
So well explained. Sandy
Elon Musk has now such an advantage over many of his competition both in the automotive and Space industries
He can overlap all best practice technologies from Tesla and SpaceX
Plus he has experience in actual programing and Physics
He is also opened to constructive criticism such as Sandy's (Rear Tesla Platform which went from 70 plus parts to ONE part) and promotes other people to submit ideas and solutions
A one in a million Boss
Other people binge watch Netflix... I've spent my Friday binge watching Sandy's model Y breakdown 😂
Simran Deol congratulations. Should be a Disney Discovery channel but could cut Sandy’s companies independence.
Tesla’s engineering is really impressive. Thanks Sandy for the great videos.
Awesome video. Please push your products and service. We want you to be able to be a great employer for many years and continue to also educate those of us in the general public!
Thank you! Will do!
Alien tech that Octovalve...
Thanks Sandy and crew... exposing the magic (and warts :) ).
I can attest that the heat pump system works great on my Model Y!
The popularity of this channel in regards to Tesla vehicles screams volumes.
Many of us out here with like the same type of videos for other products.
We aren't simply Tesla Fanboys we are engineering fanboys.
Long story short you would gain my subscription from the breakdown of a Boeing jet engine or a Samsung washing machine.
Thanks Brian. We will take your suggestions into consideration for future content. Thanks for watching!
Hello, Mr UA-cam algorithm! Please take this comment as my approval of this video!
Same here!
It looks the today's algorithm is called Logan "wanna be friends?" I have seen Ted as well , both seem to be first or early posters. YT playing silly buggers?
This is in the Model 3 now too (2021 refresh only, not the older ones - introduced about 6 months after this video was made).
Thanks, Sandy
This part is indeed impressive and looks impressive in design and execution.
Really impressive work form Tesla
thanks for da video
Would love to see how the stepper valve body fits in. That's the actual functioning part of the whole thing. The eight port array on the bottom must fit in to a port or manifold set on the other components. Also is there a flow diagram around that shows the paths taken by the coolant at the various valve settings?
Im sure you could get the flow diagram from buying the report.
@@breakfast-burrito found one. pbs.twimg.com/media/EU2Q6nyWsAEj4g1.png
Great analyses as always by Sandy Munro. I wonder whether it would be possible to see the handheld XRF in action and some of the measurements/results of this in a next video? We use pXRF in archaeology for elemental analyses as well (we just did some 2500 year old glass beads a few months ago)
I see a new Munro Live video, click it and then instantly click the LIKE thumbs up!
Kudos for the video editor and that EDM moment. I laughed aloud.
Wow seems very complicated. Thanks for a closeup view of the Octovalve..
I would like to see Munro next do a teardown of a Chinese-built eSUV like the Volkswagen ID.4, an electric crossover based on the MEB platform. Lots of things for Sandy to talk about including historical stuff like VW platform evolution, Chinese manufacturing techniques, etc. .
The way that's put together reminds me of automatically routed printed circuit boards. Especially where you have different levels of power that need to go out different things and that goes through some switchgear chips or even in the old days relays. Kind of reminds me of crossbar switches in telephone exchanges as well.
Aluminum part looks like a piece of art
The octo valve looks similar to the old old technology Wind or Pipe Organ. It allowed the air to travel to a organ flute or whistle by depressing a key on the Key Board.
Thank you for showing us as much as you did!
With the casting at the rear saving multiple components, surely the same could be achieved in the front. Possibly including the fire wall.
I know you guys need to make a living but isn’t there a way to describe the basics of how this magnificent piece of engineering works without compromising your business
That will be in the report - he is not going give too much away.... But to make a long story short. Different part of the cars, at different time, need to be cooled or heated. Battery, motors, cabins, electronics, etc. The Octovalve directs the hot/cold fluid accordingly. For example, if the battery needs to be cooled, but the cabin is too cold, the Octovalve can direct the liquid through the battery, picking up the heat energy, and then direct it (or via the heat exchanger) to the cabin. That save energy than cooling the battery and warming the cabin separately. If there is a net heating/cooling requirement - run it through the heat pump (probably through another heat exchanger). So the theory is pretty straight forward. But it is the execution and design of the valve and manifold, plus the software and controls that set it apart.
Basically the octovalve is a vertically integrated version of a much more spread out version that is used by most other car manufacturers. Think of it as an integrated circuit for heating/colling :D
Ja'afar Abu Ta'a Check my video if you are interested to know how Tesla model Y thermal management system works by controlling the octovalve. ua-cam.com/video/Ol9iv23An7I/v-deo.html
@@lingyanj7075 Thanks for the link. Your excellent video was very informative.
@@aerowhiz glad you like it!
When a man like Sandy utters "this is genius", everybody in the auto-industry should listen. In general the ICE-car manufacturers have been sitting on their asses for decades selling a product with build-in expiration dates for most of the parts for GREED. They could have done much better, but no, shareholder value was the ONLY aim in that game! I wish I could stand in front of all those arrogant people chewing their asses for decades of complacency... just because nobody wanted to stir up anything revolutionary to save our planet and consequently our asses! And all this because of one man, Elon Reeve Musk, who assembled a team of the best and brightest for our benefit.
damn you really kiss ass.
@@Rhyme905 He's right tho, you know?
No. The consumer will see the difference and move to TESLA. Let the weak and complacent OEMs perish.
@@onewhostudies6856 no one will perish they just gonna catch up slowly and in next 10-20 years they all will on same level for sure Tesla will need a few more years to add basic vehicle functionality other OEMS have mastered eg fit and finish and interior quality heck the cars dnot even have birds eye view for backup etc shit that these crap old ICE models haveh ad for years. no birds eye, no heads up display, no fancy self-leveling lighting systms etc. bmw has new laser lights, tesla just has basic shit, im a tesla investor but i dont get emotional i know what they do and dont have. it will tak ethem years to get to level of fit and perfection of materials like mercedes and bmw etc.
There's a reason for the stagnant auto industry and it's regulation. Compliance with emissions, safety and so on is super expensive so a small start-up can't afford to enter the market.
Moreover, products being designed for a certain lifespan is not some grand conspiracy to destroy the world. Adding longevity adds cost. Consumers don't like to pay more money to have a car last a gazillion miles since it's going to be technologically obsolete at that point anyway.
“They’re good valves, sendy 12/10”
i'd watch a video with sandy telling us stories about the olden days.
I agree man, love hearing him talk about the field.
Very well done details, they can lower the manufacturing costs with this design and set the amount of parts to an minimum.
That's good.
Thanks for the informations again.
Dankeschön für das Video.
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Sandy, when you appear in other You-tubers shows, have them give you a copy of it for your channel so we can watch it all here and you get credit for it.
And how does it work? Looking forward to a hydrodynamic animation video!
Beautiful parts! Amazing for a mass production road car.
Fascinating! It occurred to me while I was watching Sandy on E for Electric and he was talking about the electronics in the Y, did he see any allowance for a Starlink receiver being added to the car?
Thanks great video
Awesome engineering from Tesla 😎
So it’s rocket since....😂😂😂😂 oh man OEMs are so done!
The heat-pump expansion valve step solenoid is extremely interesting. How does it function and how is calibrated. Going from mechanical analog expansion valves with a direct temp/press connection to Tesla is like going straight from comatose to epiphany for me. Its mind bending. And complex. I’m a bit ancient but I don’t think I’m all that far out of the loop to consider it exceptional.
So interesting to see how that complex Octovalve manifold system is made. They look like expensive parts but they eliminate so many individual components it pays off.
I would like to see an analysis of a much simpler assembly; the wheels and tires. Those extreme low profile tires look cool but they are prone to very expensive pothole damage. Why won’t Tesla offer 18” wheels with higher profile tires on the non-performance model Y? Is it impossible to get long range with that setup? A lot of people would like to off-road with the Model Y.
Sandy, Elon, Chamath and Cathie are American Icons 🇺🇸
Back in the day.. Octopus!!
Every time I watch one of your videos, this question comes to my mind?! Why Not Start Your Own CAR COMPANY,?!?!?!?!? you have the knowledge, experience and the team to design and build your own cars and for sure, finding investors would be easy for someone with this level of fame?! I would love to see Munro electric cars.
jigil jigil would have to hire more engineers. Tesla's got the best of the crop. Where else would they want to work? So a harder task for Sandy to sift through and find the talent.
@@gwgplate2 yes, you are probably right, but there are other upcoming companies like Rivian who as far as I know have started with a small team of people and probably will have a large footprint in EV market in next decade or so, and Rivian is not the only one.
@@gwgplate2 By the way if you were in someone like Munro's position, wouldn't you prefer to have your own car company and build your own prefect cars with your name and logo on it instead of just telling others how to do it, I mean its so tempting and will be a legacy.
jigil jigil it’s not just a money factor it’s a time factor.
Start ups have a lead time on average of 10 years to get to the best iteration if Tesla is used as a guide. Sandy knows the markets., manufacturing and materials and is not a one man show with his team. He would have to be very disruptive to leapfrog Tesla as there are things he admits he dosent know about.
I just want to give you support
Model Y is a spaceship!!! For sure!!!!
Is this process also used for manufacturing the manifolds in automatic gearboxes? Very cool part.
Looks like an aerospace part. Wow!
Jeez, you have an old-school French Facom screwdriver on the table… 😮
*"you whack it and boom, it looks like Elvis" hilarious.*
I love these videos! Thanks Sandy!
Now this is modern technology
Looks like the octovalve and octomanifold are ideas completely novel to the legacy car makers. Wondering how long it would take for them to get a me-too product in the market.
Greetings Sandy excellent, as usual, I believe HVAC and heat pump OEM will also be interested in the Oct Plus report. Leaks and longevity should I worry?
I think warranty period of 4 years is not much to worry about.. even closing in on 10 years the failure rate probably isn't bad... going to 20 years is when you're probably going to start seeing issues :D At that point thr octovalve might be more of a issue compared with a traditional setup, where you can more easily replace individual parts of the cooling/heating system.
nonsense, other manufacturers have been using heat pumps years before tesla, also the octalvalve works like the automatic transmission valve body
For over 50 years, GM water pumps had a 30 - 40k mile life. I know, I bought a bunch of them. Either the bearing seal, the impeller or both would fail around every 30 or so oil changes at 1k miles.
"A million years ago when I was young" Mr. Monroe what was it like to see dinosaurs?
Maybe in the far future we can expect Sandy as a guest on JRE since both are into cars
Amazingly complex made simple by good design.
Thanks for these videos. I would like to study a schematic of how the coolant system works.
Tim Crowley that will be in the money shot report and future HVAC training reports.
Search for patent number if you want a quicker solution.
Check my video if you are interested to know the schematics of the Tesla model Y thermal management system. ua-cam.com/video/Ol9iv23An7I/v-deo.html
TIM - First google the TSELA Superbottle, Ford and GM have nothing like it.
Sandy drops in EDM as though there's an old skool raver side to Mr Munro that none of us are aware of 😂
EDM saves the day again.