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Loved this! thank you! this is one of my favourite movies of all times and the one I watch when Im sick/sad to raise my spirits, so you've just made my day
I think I always saw Yvainne’s exuberance that looks like “overacting” as part of her being a star. She’s not of this world, and everything is so new. And stars, the film points out, are incredibly in tune with emotion.
Yes, I always read it as just that controlling our expressions/hiding our emotions is human convention that she saw no point in and had never learned for herself.
I love that little kiss he gives her on the forehead before the speech and everything. It's comforting and real. He's not letting her suffer until he gives his big confession but affirms that he feels the same way she does. It's a wordless "Don't be embarrased" and I find it more tender and intimate than the actual kiss afterwards.
'Zactly! When my boyfriend and I got together I thought of that line, trying to think of nice things to do for him, since he was doing sweet things for me.
Hmm, when we are talking about men and women, not always the case. Women invest more of their soul in sex, they get attached. So it's a man's move to prove his affection first. If a woman sleeps with someone in many cases it is a confirmation of love. I know there are different types of women but generally women are more vulnerable in this sense and devoted so they make sure they give their heart to someone who cares. Love this film though
My favorite thing about this movie is how Tristian goes on a pretty archetypical hero's journey, but he never once kills anyone! All the other main characters do, but Tristan doesn't. And that's really awesome!
I actually dislike it when they don't kill people. Especially when they take the unrealistic head trauma route or the having a dangerous person that you let go and then they came back and put the heroes life of their lives of their friends in danger.
I don't like unnecessary killing or killing of innocents of course. But the shying away from the reality of the deaths in these things is frustrating and feels like a cheap cop out.
I do like the little broment where Humphrey _immediately_ recognizes that Tristan's not playing around after his rite of passage, and nopes out of that duel asap.
Humphry's got a little Gentleman's Sword-Cane, Tristin is bringing a Falchion that looks like it'll straight up take Humphry's arm off and more to the point, the sheer confidence with which Tristan is wielding it
@@ediblebeautyofartnouveau Ah, right. I was talking about Tristan's sword, which seems to have two. As for Humprey's its probably just a cane sword, it looks very round too, maybe only good for poking even
One of my favourite lines is from the exchange between Dunstan and the Man at the Wall right at the beginning. "Do you see anything magical out there. No. Do you know why? Because it's a FIELD!"
Honestly I love her 'overacting'. I feel like it makes so much sense for the character and I absolutely loved it. It's like a visible part of her personality, her unabashed earnestness and honesty that sets her out. It reminds you that though she's seen so much, she's new to this world.
Yes! especially seeing as her bluntness and honesty matches her wearing her emotions and her heart on her sleeve. she has only watched humanity but never experienced it. her being so blunt matches that perfectly
Victoria was a much more sympathetic character in the book. As far as I recall, she was perfectly nice, and a little swept away with Tristan's gestures and so she promised him his hearts desire if he brought the star back. At the end he was totally over her and told her his hearts desire was that she marry the man she loved, which was instrumental in breaking the curse on Tristan's mother (a week with two Mondays, Victoria married Mister Monday and became Mrs Monday).
@@aizazizzat6060 A week with three Mondays also has two Mondays? The curse is only counting people and not days of the week at all? Lucky her baby wasn't due yet otherwise the week might have had three Mondays (people) plus the day of the week.
I adore this movie, it has so many insightful morals. Tristan and Yvaine see each other as mutual equals, and both go on the quest together. However, Victoria doesn't seem to hold Tristan to the same merits as he does to her, and strings him along while engaged to another man, something pointed out by Yvaine.
I’m so glad that the movie changed it from the book, because my impression of yvaine in the book was that she was given no qualifications and then bam at the end all of the sudden she’s a great ruler. They obviously loved eachother but she had no individual personality until after Tristan was gone.
I do love from the movie that wink in the end that makes that first scene hare quite possibly Recontextualized into itself courtship... DL overcompansating... But... Yeah. I actually preffer the book to this. Monday ien't a closet case douchebag.
One could argue that she's right, Tristan is not at the same level. But that's because he's HIGHER than her. Not that he'd ever acknowledge it, he's so humble. That's the big difference between them. Humility. He's humble, she is DEFINITELY not.
"This movie deserves the same recognition as Princess Bride" YEESS!! Finally! Two people who understand me! I've been saying that since its release! It's so underrated!! Thank you so much for reviewing this!
@Rashida Krigger You took the words right out of my mouth! When my high school English class watched this film, the majority had unfavorable opinions because it wasn’t gritty enough or didn’t have a groundbreaking takeaway. It hurt my soul to hear everyone miss the chance to appreciate such a lovely story.
Honestly, one of the things I like better about the book is that Victoria wasn't a bitch. She just...wasn't into Trist(r)an. She wanted to marry someone else and thought that Trist(r)an was just joking about the star thing and felt bad about it. It's kind of nice that the wrong love interest isn't wrong because she's awful but just because she's got her own thing going on.
I didn't think she was such a bitch in the movie... She just wasn't into him, and he kept pushing. She isn't a bad person for not being into Tristan or for being pretty and liking pretty things...
@@Mizri1 I think it's a pretty bitchy move to string someone along and have them carry your things and do all these things to prove their love for you while being engaged to someone and never actually planning to choose that other person. She's giving him false hope and using that false hope to get him to do stuff for her. It's more than just not being into him. She knew he was doing things because he thought he had a chance, and he never had one, and the good thing to do would've been to be clear and open about that.
@@giggle_snort It's been too long since I've read the book so I'm taking your word for how she is in the book. If she's not as obnoxious but only leading him on I'm not sure I would call it as bitchy, since bitchy isn't just the actions but also the attitudes (and she's being super condescending and demeaning to Tristan in the movie), but leading someone on is of course still wrong.
"Is it okay to lie to your partner if you're a mouse?" has the same energy as "Would you still love me if I was a worm?" and I just died laughing. Also, adore this movie, cannot endorse it enough. It taught me a lot, even being as fantastical as it is, it really hits the heart
I've been married for fifteen years, and I will say that I firmly believe the key to a successful marriage is this: you *both* feel like you've married up. I feel like he's better than I deserve (and he has told me he feels the same way), so I try to be my best self for him.
@@erinbathie-moore8478 Unless you are talking about become a legal adult, life never "gets there." You make it "there" every day by the choices you make. Love is a verb and you make it work with some one who also wants to make it work. Like my mom told me "go in to a relationship with your eyes wide open and in to marriage with them half shut" and "nobody's perfect and that includes you."
@@erinbathie-moore8478 As another comment says you never get there but my two best suggestion for finding love is don't look instead enjoy life for yourself and don't focus on dating your "type" love comes in unexpected packages.
I love the character consistency. Tristan says he could never kill anyone, and he technically never does. He defeats the witches without actually fighting them head-on.
The thing about "giving it all the face" here is that it works because she's supposed to portray someone childlike when it comes to human emotions. And as someone who works with kids, this really does look like those kids do when they're experiencing emotions.
Yes! Much like Leeloo in The Fifth Element, her expressions are so exaggerated because she's learning how to be human the same way a child does. She has no concept of subtlety yet.
Completely agree... And you know, I'm on the spectrum and sometimes have difficulty reading what others are feeling when they're not super emotive, so I love when characters "give all the face" cause I can "read" their expressions so much better.
I agree! Claire Danes’ use of facial expressions in this film help add to the emotion, the relatability, the overall humanness of the character. It feels more real than a straight-faced, stoic Claire Danes professing her love for Tristan.
I’m a sucker for “this adult is brand-new to the world and acts like a child” tropes. I re-watched Disney’s Hercules the other night and it made WAY more sense when I realized he was only 18. Something about that kind of characterization reminds me of myself, I’m 28 and I feel _everything_ with intensity so I come across as childlike.
it kind of makes sense for her to "over-act" and have so much emotion, because she's a star and not grown up like humans have to not show their emotions all the time. children tend to have so much emotion too.
“Everyone our age can quote Princess Bride at each other”. I do this all the time! I really love Stardust too! It’s a healthy relationship film to watch with your children.
I am a solid 10 years or more younger than them and I can also do it XD Princess Bride really is a delight. I grew up on it. I've never seen Stardust but it seems like I really need to.
Okay but here's the deal. We don't watch the princess bride for buttercup. We don't watch it for Westley. Okay we do. But as much as we love them them and their love story, it's only a part of the story. Humperdinck is just as much of a brilliant character and arc, (ESPECIALLY in the book.) Ingio is just as much of a brilliant character ( Especially in the book) fezzik is just as much as a brilliant character ( ESPECIALLY in the book.) The king though a very bit part, and the bishop another bit part are brilliant! And oh the witch Valarie ( who is not really a witch) and miracle max, and the princess of guilder with her hats( book.) But even with all these brilliant unique deep and complex characters, it is the writing. The wording and the humor and the insight and the story. This is what carries the story. This is why it's so famous and so well known. Buttercup and Westley beloved as they are, are not the reason we love the story.
@@larue4842 I 100% agree. Love the movie, and am in love with the book. Do you know if they have reacted to the princess bride yet? Cause if not I think they should. Such a masterpiece.
I fell in love with Robert De Niro’s character here (and Robert himself), that’s when I realized my type : men that seem scary but are surprisingly secure and soft on the inside. I love to be reminded that you can never really know someone and anybody can surprise you, at any time.
@@CinemaTherapyShow speaking of men who seems scary but are soft on the inside, you gotta do/watch Our flag means death! Please. I know you've talked about the difficulties of making tv shows, but it's only 5 hours and you'll definitely have fun watching it.
I know this episode was about Yvaine and Tristan's relationship, but there's a lot to be said about Captain Shakespeare's relationship with himself and his crewmates, especially the ineffable line, "You're still our cap'n," followed up immediately by an "Arrrrrrr!" to break the awkward moment and affirm that things hadn't changed. It's such a funny and wholesome scene, and I love it so much. This movie was made in the late 2000-oughts, when Hollywood was *just* starting to normalize the expectation that true friends accept LGBTQ friends as they are. You've done a number of takes on People Who Don't Fit In, including in this very episode, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this character, who was entirely added in the movie version. (Personally, I'm glad they did; this is one of reason it's a rare movie adaptations that I love even better than the book!) We meet Robert De Niro's character Captain Shakespeare as a sort of misfit in his world for a number of reasons. Not only is he a very macho character who also enjoys dressing in drag (the audience is probably supposed to assume he's gay, but that's never established) but he's also an intellectual who indulges a secret interest for things that literally belong to another world (i.e. the world across the Wall, where the real Shakespeare was from.) The joke of course is that no one of his own world would get the reference to the Bard in his pirate personna because one around him is as intellectually inclined. As a result, he's delighted to meet people he can talk to about these things that he usually has to enjoy in isolation. It bespeaks a lot of loneliness, and yet he seems remarkably good-natured, generous, self-confident, and generally well-adjusted, and has obviously cultivated a great relationship with his crewmates. I would love to hear your take on this character and the interpersonal dynamics aboard the lightning ship.
I also believe this is when the movie did it better than the book. Both the endings to the movie were better than the book. And if I remember correctly, Tristan's mom supposedly had cat features in the book and it was never explained why she did and her brothers never had such a distinction.
@Rashida Krigger honestly I disagree with the assessment that he and Humphrey were flirting. I took that more as a sneer at Victoria for having sneered Tristan. Remember Shakespeare got pretty much the whole story while they were on the boat, and Left Tristan with the praise wisdom that his love was right in front of him. Pretty sure he knew about Victoria, and was giving her a smug look that she didn't marry the king. And Humphrey's look was satisfaction that he got his girl, not Tristan. To that end, you do have a character that enjoys drag, and does what he loves without having a specific sexuality attached
I remember when I first saw this movie on Netflix catalogue I was like "hum.... sounds good" but it took me months to watch it and when I finally did... it was amazing!!!! The cast is otherworldly, the humor is an absolute mess, I loved every single minute of it. It's not just a fantasy movie, it's a movie about knowing who you are and who you want to be. Unfortunately so underrated, my friends told me ah this is just one of those family evening movies.... yo... this is a hidden gem
Seriously underrated movie! I remember watching and rewatching it several times back in ca. 2010 and thought I was just weird for liking it so much. I'm glad to have found plenty of people here, including the crew at Cinema Therapy, who love it!
Stardust was one of the last movies that I can remember that I went into completely blind. And I know a lot of people were the same way. These days, it's impossible to avoid promotional material even if you want to (and I usually do, nobody seems to be able to make a good trailer any more). But at the time, it just seemed like an interesting movie so I just went. And it was tremendous, without any expectations placed on it. And nearly everyone I've talked to about the movie seemed to have the same story. I don't know if there was just very little promotion or what, but something about the movie managed to let it slip under everyone's radar but still somehow seem appealing enough to get people to give it a chance.
"And what has she done to prove her affection for you?" That line blew up my entire relationship paradigm. Up until that line, I realized all my relationships went kind of the same way, that I would make 100% of the effort, without hesitation, and then, eventually, things would break down about the point where I burned out from the effort.
That was me until my current relationship. It was almost off putting that someone ACTUALLY went out of their way to win my affections because I was so not used to it😂
By the by, I love the father, so much. He genuinely liked Una, even if it was fast and not made to last. He stepped up and raised his son, no questions asked. He is a great father. And I was very happy to see him and Una pick up their relationship later.
To me that always added to the fantasy element. In love stories, love is always everlasting regardless of how much time has gone by and that is certainly true for the two of them
"Stardust" is one of the rare instances in which I feel the film is better than the book it's based upon. I adore this movie, and thank you for taking some time to share its delightful quirkiness and epic adventure and wholesomeness.
I heartily agree. Normally I like the books 100% better than even the best screen adaptations, but this one... the movie is just so good. Time to watch it again!
@@moogotony8579 I found them to be very different from each other. I thought the book was good, just the movie was better, maybe because I saw the movie first and I normally read the book first. What didn't you like about the movie?
THIS MOVIE... I dragged ALL of my guy friends to it. None of them wanted to see it, but they humored me.. they walked out happy for the experience. Great laughs, a good and fun wholesome fantasy story. Robert De Niro was a hidden gem we didnt expect coming and loved every moment he was on screen.
I had a friend who'd just ring me up and say "Yo!I found a movie to go see tonight,meet me at x hours,no questions asked!",and I would always find time for her cause she had interesting taste.I was surprised when she took me to see "Stardust",I would never go see it myself,cynical teenager that I was,but in the end I very much enjoyed it.Friends like that are very much apreciated
It warmed my heart to see Stardust get some love. This has been one of my favorite movies for many years and I can't believe so few people either have seen it or don't recognize how beautiful of a story it is. I love being able to both suspend my belief because it's a world of magic, but also watch a story where the characters grow so much and display a healthy relationship. You guys comparing it to Princess Bride was spot on. Thanks for reviewing it!
The other love story you need to consider is Tristan's father, Dunstan. By the looks of it, he never married and carried a candle (literally) for Una that lasted 16+ years. Kate Magowan was fantastic as Princess Una.
@@voopu I prefer the book because Tristan is gone way longer, so the change makes more sense to me. So he had time to forget Victoria and they had time to start loving each other. Una got her freedom out of the whole situation and there wasn't an Love at First Sight type thing (which I really dislike) . But I love both alot (Oh, and in the book Victoria and Monday are not bad people, they actually really like each other)
My favourite part of the film is the scene where Captain Shakespeare and his crew are talking after Septimus attacks him. For years, Shakespeare has be conforming and hiding who he was from everyone, except for Tristan and Yvaine, because he was worried about his reputation. The crew were more concerned about his welfare and if he had revealed the location of Tristan and Yvaine, and when they found out Shakespeare was worried about his reputation, the two main responses were: “It’s alright captain… we always knew you were a whoopsie” and “You will always be captain, captain.” Such a funny and touching moment!
I love Neil Gaiman, who, like Terry Pratchett, or Diana Wynne Jones, plays with tropes and gives them an entirely new and unexpected twist, taking stories where you think you know how they will go, but then they never go where you thought they would, and yet, they are completely rooted in time-honoured tropes and follow typical story arcs, but in a new, exciting, and funny way. That shows true genius.
I’ll need to add Diana Wynne Jones to my to read stack then, as the other two are my favourite authors. Any book you can recommend me to start with? *edit* Oh wait she wrote Howl's Moving Castle! I didn't realize the authors name.
@@MarceldeJong she wrote the Lives of Christopher Chant, which absolutely captivated my imagination as a child. I loved honestly everything I've read by her. The Dalemark Quartet was really fun, and she wrote 1 book for older audiences called Hexwood that played with my preconceived notions of how stories are told. I remember talking to my English teacher about how every time I'd read her books, I'd ask myself "why am i reading this, this is from the children's section", and by the end of the book I'd be like "oh, yeah...that's why."
I remember watching the movie with my mom in theaters when I was a kid, and I’ve loved it ever since. It’s my favorite live action movie and I watch it every time I’m feeling down.
2007 was a year of Pirates of the Caribbean 3, Harry Potter 5, Spider-Man 3 and Transformers. A bit harder to get noticed amongst all these huge block busters, especially as a new, not previously established franchise. Still I've managed to watch it in the cinema and loved it, probably more than some of the aforementioned.
@@Mordring Good point. Generally the past twenty years or so seem to be an era of franchises in which it is very difficult for standalone films to stand out... sadly.
"Tell me about Victoria." "There's nothing more to tell you." If he loved her, this wouldn't be his answer. He would be able to yak her ear off about Victoria for DAYS. But, nope, that's all he's got.
Because they haven't spent any time together and she has done nothing good to, for or around him. She is constantly using him. Like the scene where he gets fired? She cuts to the head of the long line, doesn't pay and has him leave mid shift which causes him to get fired. She feels sorry he lost his job but point blank refuses to acknowledge her part in it.
@@kittikats Yeah I agree she’s using him. She clearly doesn’t care for him/ just isn’t a very nice person. So why does he claim to love her? He clearly doesn’t really, he’s just fixated on her
I love this movie -- and it's so underrated. So many fascinating characters (created by Neil Gaiman) and so wonderfully brought to life in Jane Goldman's script... Whenever I have a friend who's having a health problem or other life challenges, I loan them this DVD. It's helped make so many people happier!
James, we do not want to hear about animal rights today on this Cinema Therapy Stardust video. Thank you for trying. Anyways, @Wendy Wheeler, I LOVE this story! It is so nice of you to lend your DVD to spread some joy and feel-good to others. The music and the whole world of this movie also make me happy. Can't share our digital media easily these days, but DVDs we can! 💕
"We've always known you were a whoopsie" is about the best and most inclusive moment in the history of Cinema. It lets him start living his best life. He flirts with Humphrey and makes Humphrey happy and pisses off Victoria. Just a few seconds of film and I'm hooked!
Absolutely love Captain Shakespeare! And the fact that his crew always knew and respected him enough to make him believe he was keeping his secret the entire time, shows what a great man and great captain he must have been to them.
Captain Shakespear and his crew were amazing. Later on Gaiman said how they weren't really in the book, but he wishes they were, and that's about the highest praise I can imagine.
As someone who has been a simp the line, "he's a pleasant distraction for her and she's everything to him" switched a light bulb on in my brain. It is the most humanizing way to look at this situation. For both ends.
I love that Claire Danes gives all the face. Perfect for this. She is a star learning to be human. It reminds me of my girls when they were babies and learning facial expressions and how big they were as they learned.
As a human being I feel like I communicate like Yvainne. Some people just do. I have my school report from my first year and the teacher noted I don’t talk much, but I do communicate a lot with facial expressions!
Fave scene has to be “What do stars do? They shine.” Ugh such a beautiful and wholesome movie. ‘Rule the World’ by Take That was such an excellent soundtrack choice too 🥰
I liked how they managed to get her name into the lyrics 'Yvaine'gels cry, I'll be there for you' To anyone who hasn't seen the film, it's If angels cry, but if you listen, you can hear the slight change of emphasis. Cute.
I really liked that she was glowing when happy and the “overacting”. I mean, to me it makes sense because not being human she wasn't able to hide her feelings. And actually that is exactly what Tristan needed because his simping of Victoria made him blind to how others perceived him as a possible romantic partner.
I think Claire’s acting is absolutely perfect because just as she is a star learning how to human, she’s learning how to feel and control her feelings. She’s showing us how stars don’t try to hide their emotions because they’re used to not being able to hide through their shine. She doesn’t even realize she can chose to not emote
Her big expressions make sense in this story. Stars shine so bright we see them lightyears away. She can't hide what she's feeling either through her expressions or her glow.
That scene when Tristan and Yvaine are starting to open up to each other is my favourite scene of the movie, both characters are allowing themselves to be honest and vulnerable while setting up further development; Tristan becomes more confident, realising that Victoria never really cares about him as a person and Yvaine becomes more human. Please do an episode on Big Eyes, it's based on a true story about an artist whose husband took credit for her paintings, was emotionally abusive throughout their marriage and when she finally got away from him he tried to discredit her saying she was mentally ill but she proved that she was the artist in court. Margaret Keane is her name and Amy Adams does a wonderful job portraying her.
Yes! And Christoph Waltz is brilliant as her conniving husband. He manages to straddle that line between charming and terrifying that so many abusers seem to be able to turn on and off.
I believe in the anniversary edition audiobook, Neil Gaiman says that he was inspired by William Goldman and The Princess Bride and wanted to write something along the same vein.
With a few minutes in Jonathon:“I had a similar experience asking a girl to prom” Alan:??? “Some D-bag hit you with a stick?!” Jonathan:“Yeah, there was fencing.” Adam I too want to hear about this story, Jonathan, you definitely have to explain lol!
"Stardust" is one of my favourite movies of all time. The scene that touches me the most and makes my eyes watery just thinking about it is the scene that follows after the very last snippet you showed on this video - it's not majorly plot relevant, but it touches on the same theme of love and acceptance from a different angle, and to me it's just so, so beautiful.
Captain Shakespeare's subplot was my favorite part of the movie! In part because R. Deniro has always reminded me of my dad, but mostly because it was the first time I saw that someone can have 2 seemingly diametrically opposed character traits and still be loved and respected even if they don't think they will be. I love it even more that it seemed such an organic way of how it might be addressed rather than have it be a PSA about gender/sexuality which is where most tv/movies drop the ball.
I love that you did Stardust, but you absolutely need to do another one on THE ROYAL FAMILY. The psychotic dad, the rivalry among the brothers, Tristan’s mother somehow being decent despite it all… that would be GLORIOUS, and so much fun. Maybe a bit on the witch sisters, too. Sibling battles galore!
So, two things: 1) The big expressions work on Claire Danes because she makes them seem natural, somehow, and 2) I spent much of the video being distracted by Charlie Cox's face until I placed him as Matt Murdock. Bonus 3) That's Henry Cavil as Humphry! Older films featuring young actors can be such fun because of things like this. 😄
Oh man if you want to see a really young Henry Cavill check out I Capture the Castle and the 2002 version of Count of Monte Cristo! He's practically a baby!
Ngl for ALL of Daredevil i was incredibly distracted by Charlie Cox being too attractive and then when i was rewatching this i was like huh, he's fit, but once Alan mentioned he was Charlie Cox i was like OH that's why that is!!
Fun fact: I'm pregnant and my daughter's name is going to be Yvaine :) My husband and I adore this movie, and it is 1000% such a hidden gem. My family and I have been quoting it for years, the character growth in the movie is always a joy, the worldbuilding and design are spectacular... I could go on and on, but sufficeth to say this will always be one of my top favs
The very clear expressiveness of the star is a brilliant choice. She had been human just a little while how would she know how to mask her feelings. It seems very childlike which also makes sense. I love it.
This movie came out when I was in high school and I was so enamoured with it that I watched it at least once a week for three years straight. The hair glow up was delightful, De Niro’s characters’ whit always put a smile on my face and the ghosts were so much fun as antagonistic competitive siblings. I was already a huge Danes fan and this movie continues to have me swooning for her! So thrilled you’ve done an episode for Stardust!
"Murdered by pirates is good!" - the perfect Princess Bride quote to be inserted at 16:03 after making the connection between these two films at the beginning of the episode 😂
ok some context: this was partly filmed in Norwich, Norfolk, England (where I'm from born and bred). Ipswich is in Suffolk- 45 miles away from Norwich so it is actually a long way away especially in those days pre trains. Also Norwich City football club and Ipswich Town are bitter rivals (because we are better of course!) so there may be a sort of in joke there because of where it was filmed! Bloody love this film. The Slaughtered Prince exterior shots are the Briton Arms Coffee House in Elm Hill, Norwich for anyone interested!
I think part of what makes Claire Danes performance so good is that while she is giving so much face it is also very complex emotionality. Happiness mixed with sadness, followed by perplexation, all in 3 seconds and it all makes perfect sense.
I love this movie. It has an innocent, yet pure take about love. I also love this line from the movie: “When I see the way that mankind loves... You could search to the furthest reaches of the universe and never find anything more beautiful.”
This movie really did deserve much more credit than it got. Not just for being great, but for being a great adaptation. It doesn't follow the book exactly, but it stands so well on it's own feet.
OK, I cried. When you guys were talking about proving affection and putting yourself "down" on the totem pole, I really felt that. It feels like exactly what I've been doing all my life, which in some ways kind of makes sense considering I've faced a lot of rejection. But it's important to remember that my worth is not tied to others' impression of me. I shouldn't have to jump through hoops to prove my worth to myself or to prove my love/worth to others. Also, I just love this movie. It's one of my favorite fantasy romances. I always identified with Tristan heavily, and hopefully I can learn to be better at recognizing my worth.
I loved reading about your journey; it sounds like you have all the skills you need to keep growing in confidence and find the person who will love your true self ❤️
As I'm autistic, most of my life I get treated like dirt. I want to be myself, my genuine autistic self, I cannot conform without giving up on myself. You two are like angels in disguise speaking things that make me glad I want to be me.
As a neurodivergent myself, as well as an out-of-shape gay male, I have been fairly lucky and fairly well-liked, but I totally understand what you mean; I am reminded, often daily, that I'm autistic and perceive and react to the world somewhat differently from most other people and it's so frustrating when I feel the pressure to disguise that part of myself as best as I can. I thoroughly enjoy Jono and Alan, myself; they're such a breath of fresh air and I come away from these shows uplifted as well as wiser for it.
This is also something I struggle with, on top of being a fat gay transman. I have all these parts of myself-physically and mentally- that I find difficult to love myself, much less expect anyone else to love it. However, lately, I have realized that- like Tristan- I need to learn to love myself and gain confidence in all aspects of myself before anyone else can do the same :)
Yeah. And even more difficult to be one's genuine autistic self when there's so much pressure to give up yourself and conform. Hell, there's a whole industry dedicated to that.
@@monicaspoor2993 Do you mean film and television? Which industry? Boy, do I know the feeling. I remember all too well the special ed and therapy rooms in school, all the therapists, the insults (not necessarily at me) from peers and adults... I have felt badly about myself for most of my life. It's so frustrating.
@@Sam-lb8xs The ABA industry in particular. Even the 'kinder' forms of behaviour analysis are based on the idea that we are broken and need to be made into someone else, and that line of thinking has permeated a lot of special ed and therapy. I mean, the USA still has an institution that tortures their students with electroshocks to make them 'normal'.
I love this movie so much. I love that it shows Tristan thirsting after a girl who clearly is only using him for what he can and is willing to do for her knowing all the while that shes going to marry someone else and shows Tristan growing into his own skin, learning to accept himself, and also earning the love of a *freaking star* after she also grows into her "earthly" skin and accepting herself. Gah I love this movie and I'm so upset that more people don't know about it. I also absolutely adore the pirates cause how can you not??
I think the "Is it okay to lie to your partner if you're a mouse?" Question could apply to real life. She basically asked if he could understand her and he deliberately misled her in order to hear what she would say if she was sure he couldn't hear. Its similar to scenes where one party pretends to be asleep/unconscious and the other talks frankly to them after making sure they're out. It's a question to which I would actually like a serious answer.
Growing up, as a teen, all you ever want is to be with the "in" crowd. By that I mean you want to feel like you belong. Hearing Jonathan talk about how THOSE are usually the people who don't know themselves or are hiding. It just reaffirmed my feelings that, though I was always a little sad I couldn't be in the "in crowd", I knew who i was or at least who i wanted to be.
I liked their commentary on changing who you are for other people. I tried and tried and tried to change myself to fit in (I have ADHD so I’m noticeably “other”) but I just couldn’t, because it wasn’t who I am. I always blamed myself for not fitting in, but at least my sense of self was strong enough that I never changed who I was.
Can confirm. I have been told I am confident by lots of people but I always point out I'm not confident; I am self assured. I know exactly who I am and I deliver that at all times. I've always known I'm different (quirky, lacks embarrassment and pursues my own interests even if they aren't popular). As a teen, yeah, not popular with my peers. But I NEVER tried to change myself to fit in because it would go against the core of who I am. I would never be able to keep it up and any connections I made wouldn't be real because the me they liked wasn't real. Being self assured didn't mean I didn't have faults or parts of myself that I thought could use work. Self assured doesn't mean "well that's just they are, deal with it". If anything you should be more aware of the impact you can have on people and try to make it more pleasant.
This is literally one of my favourite movies ever made. Everything about it is delightful (including the behind the scenes footage where Neil Gaiman apologises to the set designer for dreaming up a flying pirate ship 😂). This film and the book it’s based on shaped so much of my perception of love, self-love and relationships.
I LOVE Claire Daines expressiveness in this movie. She was a perfectly lovely! I can't imagine anyone else creating such a believable and endearing Yvaine.
I love this movie, in a way both Tristian and Yvine had their "head in the clouds", Tristian was too in love with love to see Victoria, and Yvine spent the beginning just wanting to be back in the sky. They literally grounded each other, while as individuals grew. Also I am so glad you talked about the MOST important character growth, THAT HAIR!!
Princess Bride and Stardust are 2 of my favourite movies. I can almost quote Princess Bride, but not stardust. I think I get so lost in Stardusts 'magicalness' to remember the lines.
I remember watching this movie as a 7 year old kid. I absolutely loved it. And the ending was legit what I thought would happen to people when they die if you say, "They go to heaven" to me for a good 2 years
"He's gone all the way to Ipswich." As an Australian I found that hilarious because where I live Ipswich is like a bit of a shabby city west of my home city and its got some rough folk 😆😆
Yes! Lol I was going to comment the same 😂 I was thinking “yikes, you don’t want to go to Ipswich, probably get mugged by a crackhead or some eshay wannabe sporting a mullet”
Stardust and Princess Bride are perhaps both the most impactful and comforting movies I've watched growing up. They both have so much love shown to their "silly" fantasy worlds, while Stardust in particular has such a great message about "love" itself. Any time I remember Stardust or Princess Bride, I can't help but feel like I need to watch them right away. They are both worthy of cult status
Yay. So glad ur doing this film. Such an underrated gem. Probably my favourite like fantasy romance... I mean, I cant think of many others, at least not ones this good. Such a fun and sweet film, with a lovely message and love story, with a gorgeous soundtrack.
@@liamfaherty7211 Both films are truly amazing! If you like that type of movies I’ll suggest you watch “Ever After” with Drew Barrymore and Dougray Scott, is a masterpiece!
I love Henry Cavill in this. You can barely tell that it's him and he looks like he's having SO much fun every second he's on screen. It makes me happy.
Love this movie. I felt the same way about Stardust having Princess Bride vibes. My husband and I saw it in the theater twice because it was that good. The only other movie I ever saw in the theater twice on release was the Incredibles and it was with my husband and then with my sister. It totally deserves Princess Bride status. Make it so!!! I just finished watching After the Wedding and thanks to Alan I think I can appreciate scene setups and camera work so much more. I immediately thought "this film deserves to be on Cinema Therapy spotlight." It could be a good one for discussing grief, facing death, betrayal trauma, compassion. It was so beautiful and amazing. Edit: I love Claire Danes' acting face completely and it will never be ruined for me.
I am a huge Neil Gaiman fan, and when I heard the movie was coming out I was so excited, it really did his book justice since Stardust really is written like a fairy tale and perfect for screen, I wish this video recognized that and everyone in the comments knew. I couldn't be more pleased at how many of Gaiman's works have now made it to screen and movies. The man even creates wonderful Doctor Who scripts.
Alan, saying what we're all thinking: "Is it okay to lie to your partner, IF you are a mouse." Jonathan Decker: I'll cross that bridge when I get to it."
I watched this film at the cinema when it came out. My friends and I were bored that day and decided to go to the cinema without checking the weekly billboard. We saw the poster of the film outside and we decided to watch it randomly. We all loved it. I recently enjoyed it with my boyfriend who never watched it before and he also loved it. It’s a comfort film for me, alongside with Studio Ghibli ones.
I think Claire Danes reactions are so large because her character doesn't know how to limit herself. Because she is learning how to be a human she hadn't learned how to be deceitful to herself. She just expresses because it is a part of living
This is one of my all-time favorite films. Anyone who loves The Princess Bride but hasn't seen Stardust, please hunt it down and watch it ASAP. (And don't think this episode spoiled the whole story. There's two or three whole other plotlines and a bunch of great characters woven in, that the guys left out almost completely because they aren't directly connected to the romance stuff.)
Also, this movie inspired me to get out of working retail. I'd worked in stores full time for seven or eight years and decently enjoyed it, but that "not a shopboy, just working in a shop" idea embedded itself in my brain forever the first time I heard it. It reminds me that a job is only as large a part of my identity as I allow it to be, no matter what amount of my life I've spent doing it. Never let anyone shame you for putting your dreams on hold for a while, to recharge and resupply... but don't lose sight of those dreams.
One of my favorite movies ever and honestly just an all-around great film. It's rare for a fantasy movie to be a whole combination of intense, funny, dramatic and emotional, with elements of both realism and fantasy, feeling equal parts beyond our world but also grounded in it. A perfect balance, really.
I love this movie. It's also the first time I noticed Henry Cavill lol. Also, I assumed the way Claire played Evane, being expressive was good. She was a star and didn't have the human social interaction that teaches us to be guarded as we grow up.
Thank you for finally covering this movie! Some of my favorite scenes are the ones between Dunstan and Tristan... they have a great parent-child relationship, that is only hinted at. But the hints reveal a lot of mutual respect and trust, which in turn implies a lot of good things about Dustan as a person and parent.
man. every time he says "our capacity for love" all i can think is the absolutely epic quote from Griffin McElroy “Our capacity for love increases with each person we cross paths with throughout our lives, and with each moment we spend with those people. But, too often we neglect that part of ourselves in favor of others. And by the time we realize just how important it is, we find ourselves with fewer folks around to practice with.” gods i love this movie so much.
This is one of my favorite movies of all time. I'm so glad you guys did this! It's so wholesome, and sweet, and clever. Also Michelle Pfeiffer is an absolute queen, the brother's subplot is hilarious and wild, and Tristen and Yvaine are goals. Thank you for talking about the relationship and growth. I think it's so important with a lot of good lessons to be had in this film.
This was such a delight to see one of my favourite UA-cam channels talking about one of my all-time favourite films! I discovered Stardust by accident when I was browsing the shelves at my local library as a teenager and I absolutely loved watching it. I loved the immense character development that both Tristan and Yvaine go through and that they each grow as people on their own terms before they fall in love with each other and it was so beautiful to witness that unfolding. I love that Tristan really comes into his own and gains his confidence and comes to experience a healthy, authentic relationship with Yvaine instead of pursuing Victoria. Two of the things that I particularly liked in this film was Tristan's dad telling him that 'not fitting with the popular crowd was actually a good omen' and it taught me that there's strength and beauty in being yourself and not conforming with the masses and the other was when Captain Shakespeare says, 'Reputations, you know, lifetimes to build, seconds to destroy' which really stood out to me because it said that if you're trying to build up an image of yourself that's not very authentic, it might take a lot of time and effort to do that but one day it might all come crumbling down anyway and that's why it's better to just be yourself rather than craft an elaborate reputation and pretend to be someone you're not. This film is actually adapted from a novel by Neil Gaiman and while I'm a fan of his writing and generally prefer books to their cinematic adaptations, this film is probably the only exception where I happened to love the film more than its source material and that's just evidence of how good this film is. I love how this film strikes such a great balance between fantasy, adventure, romance, and humour which makes it such an entertaining watch. Thank you so much for doing an episode on this underrated gem! ❤️
Though nobody will see this I have to write it down. this video was a moment of revelation to me. I did not believe that a UA-cam channel could turn things around, but this one did. I've always felt unworthy cause my girlfriends wanted to change who I was. I felt i should to earn their interest and love. Those simple words "it's not you it's them" really struck me as so obvious and true. Thank you guys!
Comparing Stardust and The Princess Bride makes me crave a "Therapist Reacts to the Princess Bride". Any plans to make that happen? I don't think I would be the only one to love it!
Probably my two favorite moments in Stardust were Yvaine's line of "because nothing says romance like the gift of a kidnapped, injured woman!" And that point when Tristan gets beat up by the 100+ year old wall guard. Clearly the man learned from his last encounter with the Thorne family. 😂
“The people we look up to and venerate, they’re just people.” This is the lesson it’s taken me too many decades to even start learning. But slowly getting there as the masks begin to slip.
Hot take: I've read the book but the movie far outshines (ha get it?), though I adore Neil's writing. This is just one of the movies they got right! Also the soundtrack is PHENOMENAL.
22:30 im so glad they included this, my favorite monologue out of Yvaine and the reason why Claire Danes is giving all the FACE is because She's a star! She doesn't quite know how to deal with human emotions just yet :))
I love this movie. I've always been told that if I can't be myself with a person because they don't like who I am, then they're not worth hanging out with (be it family, friend, lover) and this movie shows that nicely. Especially with the captain. He hides who he is from everyone, but his crew picked up on it and never said anything to him; just let him be him in private. When he was "outed", they didn't judge or ridicule him, or even make a big deal about it, and then went on about their day. They all love and accept their captain as he is, and it's a beautiful moment.
YES!!! I was hoping that the Cinema Dads would briefly touch upon it, but I understand it would be getting off-topic. Still to me one of the most touching parts of the film, they all respect his interests and would still encourage him to continue what he enjoys.
@@Scrofar Exactly! I loved it! And I agree, it would have been awesome to see them touch on it, but understandable that they didn't as it would be off topic.
@@jamespatrick20906 I'm doing well. How are you? Thank you, that's kind of you to say. 😊 I do love animals. I do not have any pets at the moment. Having a dog is fun! How old is Jackie?
Such a good movie. A fun ride the whole way through, plus a good romance story. That sword fight scene between Tristan and Septimus' corpse still pops into my mind from time to time.
100% right about this film being underrated. It's always been dear to me. I remember it getting a lot of backlash for being different from the book, but similarly to The Princess Bride, both the book and the film have unique elements that work for their medium. Stardust's film adaptation is amazingly well done, with some powerful acting. They didn't even touch on how much greatness Michelle Pfieffer brings to her role as the primary villain!
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Just fyi, during this ad segment, there is a very high pitched whine.
Day 7 of asking for Forrest Gump or something like my friend Dahmer.
can you guys react to Arcane on netflix. Maybe react to each act as a movie
Loved this! thank you! this is one of my favourite movies of all times and the one I watch when Im sick/sad to raise my spirits, so you've just made my day
Please do an reaction to Blind (2016) with Alec Baldwin and Demi Moore.
I think I always saw Yvainne’s exuberance that looks like “overacting” as part of her being a star. She’s not of this world, and everything is so new. And stars, the film points out, are incredibly in tune with emotion.
Yes - that's the way I read it too.
I saw it that way too
Yes, I always read it as just that controlling our expressions/hiding our emotions is human convention that she saw no point in and had never learned for herself.
That and she’s coping through sarcasm. She’s pissed as shit she got knocked out of the sky, lol
Same.
Everything that Princess Bride was satirically, Stardust was earnestly, and so much more. One movie I can absolutely never get tired of.
Yes! Totally agree. I prefer Stardust to Princess Bride for this reason.
Yes, so true! Brilliant observation.
That's a great way to phrase it!
Neil Gaiman was very much inspired by The Princess Bride when he wrote the Stardust graphic novel.
I love both, for different reasons. They had very different goals in their storytelling.
I love that little kiss he gives her on the forehead before the speech and everything. It's comforting and real. He's not letting her suffer until he gives his big confession but affirms that he feels the same way she does. It's a wordless "Don't be embarrased" and I find it more tender and intimate than the actual kiss afterwards.
YESSSS
Preach!
"Whats she doing to prove her feelings to you?" legit rocked my world to even consider. Love this movie so much
'Zactly! When my boyfriend and I got together I thought of that line, trying to think of nice things to do for him, since he was doing sweet things for me.
Seriously changed my whole mindset.
@@teresasevy1563 yeah sometimes its the small inexpensive things like a genuine compliment or big spooning him
@@Joysiifly thank you. He likes my cooking or offering to pay for things here and there and lots of hugs and kisses
Hmm, when we are talking about men and women, not always the case. Women invest more of their soul in sex, they get attached. So it's a man's move to prove his affection first. If a woman sleeps with someone in many cases it is a confirmation of love. I know there are different types of women but generally women are more vulnerable in this sense and devoted so they make sure they give their heart to someone who cares.
Love this film though
My favorite thing about this movie is how Tristian goes on a pretty archetypical hero's journey, but he never once kills anyone! All the other main characters do, but Tristan doesn't. And that's really awesome!
So true. Hard to find stories like that. One of my favorite books is Merchanters Luck by CJ Cherryh.
I actually dislike it when they don't kill people. Especially when they take the unrealistic head trauma route or the having a dangerous person that you let go and then they came back and put the heroes life of their lives of their friends in danger.
I don't like unnecessary killing or killing of innocents of course. But the shying away from the reality of the deaths in these things is frustrating and feels like a cheap cop out.
@@larue4842 Are you trying to start a dialogue or just stating your opinion?
@@MushroomsHaveFeeling either.
I do like the little broment where Humphrey _immediately_ recognizes that Tristan's not playing around after his rite of passage, and nopes out of that duel asap.
Yeah, that “Hmm” cracks me up man 😂
Humphry's got a little Gentleman's Sword-Cane, Tristin is bringing a Falchion that looks like it'll straight up take Humphry's arm off and more to the point, the sheer confidence with which Tristan is wielding it
@@weldonwin Looks more like a gladius to me. A falchion is curved
But, yea, i agree.
That moment is GOLD
@@nemtudom5074 doesn't it just have one edge? Gladius would be a short, double-edged roman sword
@@ediblebeautyofartnouveau Ah, right.
I was talking about Tristan's sword, which seems to have two. As for Humprey's its probably just a cane sword, it looks very round too, maybe only good for poking even
“Ever try to get blood stains out of a silk shirt? Nightmare!” will always be one of my favorite lines in this movie.
I often come back to the line/giggle "It's little things like that that make me happy."
One of my favourite lines is from the exchange between Dunstan and the Man at the Wall right at the beginning. "Do you see anything magical out there. No. Do you know why? Because it's a FIELD!"
Everything DE Niro says is priceless
Oh man. He has a point, though. I had a bloody nose on a silk shirt and, yeah... I think it had to end up in the trash.
Honestly I love her 'overacting'. I feel like it makes so much sense for the character and I absolutely loved it. It's like a visible part of her personality, her unabashed earnestness and honesty that sets her out. It reminds you that though she's seen so much, she's new to this world.
Yes! especially seeing as her bluntness and honesty matches her wearing her emotions and her heart on her sleeve. she has only watched humanity but never experienced it. her being so blunt matches that perfectly
I don't think she's overacting, I imagine her like that. I'm kind of expressive like that. My husband thinks it's funny
Yes, and I can relate! Sometimes I feel too blunt and worry, but I‘m just expressive and it’s part of me!
Victoria was a much more sympathetic character in the book. As far as I recall, she was perfectly nice, and a little swept away with Tristan's gestures and so she promised him his hearts desire if he brought the star back. At the end he was totally over her and told her his hearts desire was that she marry the man she loved, which was instrumental in breaking the curse on Tristan's mother (a week with two Mondays, Victoria married Mister Monday and became Mrs Monday).
you know, I think i'm going to give it a read again. I listened to the audio book a long time ago.
Yes exactly.
i like that aspect of the book a lot better, but i liked the ending of the movie a lot better than the book
You know what bugs me. If she Mr. Monday and became Mrs. Monday, eouldn't that make it a week with 3 mondays ?
@@aizazizzat6060 A week with three Mondays also has two Mondays? The curse is only counting people and not days of the week at all? Lucky her baby wasn't due yet otherwise the week might have had three Mondays (people) plus the day of the week.
I adore this movie, it has so many insightful morals. Tristan and Yvaine see each other as mutual equals, and both go on the quest together. However, Victoria doesn't seem to hold Tristan to the same merits as he does to her, and strings him along while engaged to another man, something pointed out by Yvaine.
I’m so glad that the movie changed it from the book, because my impression of yvaine in the book was that she was given no qualifications and then bam at the end all of the sudden she’s a great ruler. They obviously loved eachother but she had no individual personality until after Tristan was gone.
I do love from the movie that wink in the end that makes that first scene hare quite possibly Recontextualized into itself courtship... DL overcompansating...
But... Yeah.
I actually preffer the book to this.
Monday ien't a closet case douchebag.
LOVE IT SO MUCH!!!
One could argue that she's right, Tristan is not at the same level. But that's because he's HIGHER than her. Not that he'd ever acknowledge it, he's so humble. That's the big difference between them. Humility. He's humble, she is DEFINITELY not.
one thing victoria doesn't do is pretend to be anything other than she is. tristan's poor choice to go for her is entirely on him.
"This movie deserves the same recognition as Princess Bride" YEESS!! Finally! Two people who understand me! I've been saying that since its release! It's so underrated!! Thank you so much for reviewing this!
Same!!!!! I wish it became more popular when it came out cuz it’s just SO GOOD.
@Rashida Krigger You took the words right out of my mouth! When my high school English class watched this film, the majority had unfavorable opinions because it wasn’t gritty enough or didn’t have a groundbreaking takeaway. It hurt my soul to hear everyone miss the chance to appreciate such a lovely story.
we watched princess bride as a floor, and it was mentioned that this movie and ella enchanted are like this and we need tow watch them!
@@audreyconfer7678 Ella Enchanted? Really? I mean, I enjoyed that movie, but I wouldn't put it at the same level.
Honestly, one of the things I like better about the book is that Victoria wasn't a bitch. She just...wasn't into Trist(r)an. She wanted to marry someone else and thought that Trist(r)an was just joking about the star thing and felt bad about it. It's kind of nice that the wrong love interest isn't wrong because she's awful but just because she's got her own thing going on.
I didn't think she was such a bitch in the movie... She just wasn't into him, and he kept pushing. She isn't a bad person for not being into Tristan or for being pretty and liking pretty things...
I did like how in the book, Tristran sees Victoria for who she is and she's not really good or bad, just ordinary and with a life of her own.
@@Mizri1 I think it's a pretty bitchy move to string someone along and have them carry your things and do all these things to prove their love for you while being engaged to someone and never actually planning to choose that other person. She's giving him false hope and using that false hope to get him to do stuff for her. It's more than just not being into him. She knew he was doing things because he thought he had a chance, and he never had one, and the good thing to do would've been to be clear and open about that.
@@MerelvandenHurk I agree, she may not have been as obnoxious in the book, but in the end, she was still leading him on.
@@giggle_snort It's been too long since I've read the book so I'm taking your word for how she is in the book. If she's not as obnoxious but only leading him on I'm not sure I would call it as bitchy, since bitchy isn't just the actions but also the attitudes (and she's being super condescending and demeaning to Tristan in the movie), but leading someone on is of course still wrong.
"Is it okay to lie to your partner if you're a mouse?" has the same energy as
"Would you still love me if I was a worm?" and I just died laughing.
Also, adore this movie, cannot endorse it enough. It taught me a lot, even being as fantastical as it is, it really hits the heart
Honestly, who all felt the mouse was totally adorable! 💗
I've been married for fifteen years, and I will say that I firmly believe the key to a successful marriage is this: you *both* feel like you've married up. I feel like he's better than I deserve (and he has told me he feels the same way), so I try to be my best self for him.
Wow, thank you for sharing. Such a blessing to have a successful marriage yet nobody around me has had one.
Absolutely agree with this. Together for eleven years, married for one, but we have always felt like the other was out of our league.
This is what I look forward to when my life gets there 😊
@@erinbathie-moore8478 Unless you are talking about become a legal adult, life never "gets there." You make it "there" every day by the choices you make. Love is a verb and you make it work with some one who also wants to make it work.
Like my mom told me "go in to a relationship with your eyes wide open and in to marriage with them half shut" and "nobody's perfect and that includes you."
@@erinbathie-moore8478 As another comment says you never get there but my two best suggestion for finding love is don't look instead enjoy life for yourself and don't focus on dating your "type" love comes in unexpected packages.
I love the character consistency. Tristan says he could never kill anyone, and he technically never does. He defeats the witches without actually fighting them head-on.
Oh my god, I never really noticed that connection there. Good spotting lol
Technically the only person he did “kill” was already dead and couldn’t feel anything anyway 😂😂
The thing about "giving it all the face" here is that it works because she's supposed to portray someone childlike when it comes to human emotions.
And as someone who works with kids, this really does look like those kids do when they're experiencing emotions.
Yes! Much like Leeloo in The Fifth Element, her expressions are so exaggerated because she's learning how to be human the same way a child does. She has no concept of subtlety yet.
This! So much this! For both of these comments.
Completely agree... And you know, I'm on the spectrum and sometimes have difficulty reading what others are feeling when they're not super emotive, so I love when characters "give all the face" cause I can "read" their expressions so much better.
I agree! Claire Danes’ use of facial expressions in this film help add to the emotion, the relatability, the overall humanness of the character. It feels more real than a straight-faced, stoic Claire Danes professing her love for Tristan.
I’m a sucker for “this adult is brand-new to the world and acts like a child” tropes. I re-watched Disney’s Hercules the other night and it made WAY more sense when I realized he was only 18. Something about that kind of characterization reminds me of myself, I’m 28 and I feel _everything_ with intensity so I come across as childlike.
it kind of makes sense for her to "over-act" and have so much emotion, because she's a star and not grown up like humans have to not show their emotions all the time. children tend to have so much emotion too.
exactly what I was going to say- she looks child like with
all the emotions passing over her face so clearly. THAT'S why it's so charming
Agreed!
Exactly! I was about to comment it, but I looked if somebody already said it xD
i give it all the face in everyday life LOL claire danes is just superior :D
I really love the emotion she shows when she speaks. It makes what she’s saying more real ✨
Stardust is literally my favorite film. I can watch it over and over and over again with the same amount of enthusiasm each time.
It's a warm hug in a movie!
“Everyone our age can quote Princess Bride at each other”. I do this all the time! I really love Stardust too! It’s a healthy relationship film to watch with your children.
I am a solid 10 years or more younger than them and I can also do it XD Princess Bride really is a delight. I grew up on it. I've never seen Stardust but it seems like I really need to.
@@jamespatrick20906 of course..
@@roselover411 I highly recommend it! It's so good!
Okay but here's the deal. We don't watch the princess bride for buttercup. We don't watch it for Westley. Okay we do. But as much as we love them them and their love story, it's only a part of the story. Humperdinck is just as much of a brilliant character and arc, (ESPECIALLY in the book.) Ingio is just as much of a brilliant character ( Especially in the book) fezzik is just as much as a brilliant character ( ESPECIALLY in the book.) The king though a very bit part, and the bishop another bit part are brilliant! And oh the witch Valarie ( who is not really a witch) and miracle max, and the princess of guilder with her hats( book.) But even with all these brilliant unique deep and complex characters, it is the writing. The wording and the humor and the insight and the story. This is what carries the story. This is why it's so famous and so well known. Buttercup and Westley beloved as they are, are not the reason we love the story.
@@larue4842 I 100% agree. Love the movie, and am in love with the book. Do you know if they have reacted to the princess bride yet? Cause if not I think they should. Such a masterpiece.
I fell in love with Robert De Niro’s character here (and Robert himself), that’s when I realized my type : men that seem scary but are surprisingly secure and soft on the inside.
I love to be reminded that you can never really know someone and anybody can surprise you, at any time.
Do you love the scene at the Snuggly Duckling from Tangled?
@@CinemaTherapyShow I didn’t think a therapist and a producer could cause damage…
The one that collects unicorns, yes.
@@CinemaTherapyShow speaking of men who seems scary but are soft on the inside, you gotta do/watch Our flag means death! Please.
I know you've talked about the difficulties of making tv shows, but it's only 5 hours and you'll definitely have fun watching it.
@@yb9964 Emotional Damage
Like a chocolate with a crunchy outer shell.
I know this episode was about Yvaine and Tristan's relationship, but there's a lot to be said about Captain Shakespeare's relationship with himself and his crewmates, especially the ineffable line, "You're still our cap'n," followed up immediately by an "Arrrrrrr!" to break the awkward moment and affirm that things hadn't changed. It's such a funny and wholesome scene, and I love it so much. This movie was made in the late 2000-oughts, when Hollywood was *just* starting to normalize the expectation that true friends accept LGBTQ friends as they are. You've done a number of takes on People Who Don't Fit In, including in this very episode, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this character, who was entirely added in the movie version. (Personally, I'm glad they did; this is one of reason it's a rare movie adaptations that I love even better than the book!) We meet Robert De Niro's character Captain Shakespeare as a sort of misfit in his world for a number of reasons. Not only is he a very macho character who also enjoys dressing in drag (the audience is probably supposed to assume he's gay, but that's never established) but he's also an intellectual who indulges a secret interest for things that literally belong to another world (i.e. the world across the Wall, where the real Shakespeare was from.) The joke of course is that no one of his own world would get the reference to the Bard in his pirate personna because one around him is as intellectually inclined. As a result, he's delighted to meet people he can talk to about these things that he usually has to enjoy in isolation. It bespeaks a lot of loneliness, and yet he seems remarkably good-natured, generous, self-confident, and generally well-adjusted, and has obviously cultivated a great relationship with his crewmates. I would love to hear your take on this character and the interpersonal dynamics aboard the lightning ship.
I also believe this is when the movie did it better than the book. Both the endings to the movie were better than the book. And if I remember correctly, Tristan's mom supposedly had cat features in the book and it was never explained why she did and her brothers never had such a distinction.
@Rashida Krigger honestly I disagree with the assessment that he and Humphrey were flirting. I took that more as a sneer at Victoria for having sneered Tristan. Remember Shakespeare got pretty much the whole story while they were on the boat, and Left Tristan with the praise wisdom that his love was right in front of him. Pretty sure he knew about Victoria, and was giving her a smug look that she didn't marry the king. And Humphrey's look was satisfaction that he got his girl, not Tristan. To that end, you do have a character that enjoys drag, and does what he loves without having a specific sexuality attached
I also would love an analysis of this character! :-)
I loved that his crewmates already knew and loved him anyways. Captain Shakespeare never had to hide who he was, he just THOUGHT he had to hide.
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I remember when I first saw this movie on Netflix catalogue I was like "hum.... sounds good" but it took me months to watch it and when I finally did... it was amazing!!!! The cast is otherworldly, the humor is an absolute mess, I loved every single minute of it. It's not just a fantasy movie, it's a movie about knowing who you are and who you want to be. Unfortunately so underrated, my friends told me ah this is just one of those family evening movies.... yo... this is a hidden gem
Seriously underrated movie!
I remember watching and rewatching it several times back in ca. 2010 and thought I was just weird for liking it so much. I'm glad to have found plenty of people here, including the crew at Cinema Therapy, who love it!
Stardust was one of the last movies that I can remember that I went into completely blind. And I know a lot of people were the same way. These days, it's impossible to avoid promotional material even if you want to (and I usually do, nobody seems to be able to make a good trailer any more). But at the time, it just seemed like an interesting movie so I just went. And it was tremendous, without any expectations placed on it. And nearly everyone I've talked to about the movie seemed to have the same story. I don't know if there was just very little promotion or what, but something about the movie managed to let it slip under everyone's radar but still somehow seem appealing enough to get people to give it a chance.
"And what has she done to prove her affection for you?"
That line blew up my entire relationship paradigm. Up until that line, I realized all my relationships went kind of the same way, that I would make 100% of the effort, without hesitation, and then, eventually, things would break down about the point where I burned out from the effort.
That was me until my current relationship. It was almost off putting that someone ACTUALLY went out of their way to win my affections because I was so not used to it😂
By the by, I love the father, so much. He genuinely liked Una, even if it was fast and not made to last. He stepped up and raised his son, no questions asked. He is a great father. And I was very happy to see him and Una pick up their relationship later.
To me that always added to the fantasy element. In love stories, love is always everlasting regardless of how much time has gone by and that is certainly true for the two of them
"Stardust" is one of the rare instances in which I feel the film is better than the book it's based upon. I adore this movie, and thank you for taking some time to share its delightful quirkiness and epic adventure and wholesomeness.
I heartily agree. Normally I like the books 100% better than even the best screen adaptations, but this one... the movie is just so good. Time to watch it again!
It definetely is. I read the book first, it was ok, but when i finished watching i felt that it made the story so much more wholesome
Whale Rider is the only other example I can think of where the movie’s better…
I've only watched the movie once, so maybe I need to rewatch it. I read the book first and thought the movie was terrible.
@@moogotony8579 I found them to be very different from each other. I thought the book was good, just the movie was better, maybe because I saw the movie first and I normally read the book first. What didn't you like about the movie?
THIS MOVIE... I dragged ALL of my guy friends to it. None of them wanted to see it, but they humored me.. they walked out happy for the experience. Great laughs, a good and fun wholesome fantasy story. Robert De Niro was a hidden gem we didnt expect coming and loved every moment he was on screen.
I had a friend who'd just ring me up and say "Yo!I found a movie to go see tonight,meet me at x hours,no questions asked!",and I would always find time for her cause she had interesting taste.I was surprised when she took me to see "Stardust",I would never go see it myself,cynical teenager that I was,but in the end I very much enjoyed it.Friends like that are very much apreciated
It warmed my heart to see Stardust get some love. This has been one of my favorite movies for many years and I can't believe so few people either have seen it or don't recognize how beautiful of a story it is. I love being able to both suspend my belief because it's a world of magic, but also watch a story where the characters grow so much and display a healthy relationship. You guys comparing it to Princess Bride was spot on. Thanks for reviewing it!
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There are movies like this that deserve more attention and love than they get. "Crossing Delancey" and "Enchanted April" are 2 others.
The other love story you need to consider is Tristan's father, Dunstan. By the looks of it, he never married and carried a candle (literally) for Una that lasted 16+ years. Kate Magowan was fantastic as Princess Una.
That was only the take from the movie though. In the book, he moved on and married not shortly after. One of the reasons I prefer the movie.
@@voopu I prefer the book because Tristan is gone way longer, so the change makes more sense to me. So he had time to forget Victoria and they had time to start loving each other. Una got her freedom out of the whole situation and there wasn't an Love at First Sight type thing (which I really dislike) .
But I love both alot
(Oh, and in the book Victoria and Monday are not bad people, they actually really like each other)
@@ApequH the movie wasn't love at first sight though
My favourite part of the film is the scene where Captain Shakespeare and his crew are talking after Septimus attacks him. For years, Shakespeare has be conforming and hiding who he was from everyone, except for Tristan and Yvaine, because he was worried about his reputation. The crew were more concerned about his welfare and if he had revealed the location of Tristan and Yvaine, and when they found out Shakespeare was worried about his reputation, the two main responses were:
“It’s alright captain… we always knew you were a whoopsie” and “You will always be captain, captain.”
Such a funny and touching moment!
Especially the end where Shakespeare and Humphrey seem to become interested in each other
I love that scene too! It's sweet that his crew accepts him for who he is, and I love that!
let's everyone go and say a toughie *_ERRRRRHH_* together for our captain 😤
@@moonhajung6742 ERRRRRHH!! xD
EEEERRRRRRRHHHH!!! 💪
I love Neil Gaiman, who, like Terry Pratchett, or Diana Wynne Jones, plays with tropes and gives them an entirely new and unexpected twist, taking stories where you think you know how they will go, but then they never go where you thought they would, and yet, they are completely rooted in time-honoured tropes and follow typical story arcs, but in a new, exciting, and funny way. That shows true genius.
Yesssss Jones was my absolute favorite author and Gaiman's work always reminded me of her but a bit more mature
I’ll need to add Diana Wynne Jones to my to read stack then, as the other two are my favourite authors. Any book you can recommend me to start with?
*edit*
Oh wait she wrote Howl's Moving Castle! I didn't realize the authors name.
3 of my favourites 😊
@@MarceldeJong she wrote the Lives of Christopher Chant, which absolutely captivated my imagination as a child. I loved honestly everything I've read by her. The Dalemark Quartet was really fun, and she wrote 1 book for older audiences called Hexwood that played with my preconceived notions of how stories are told. I remember talking to my English teacher about how every time I'd read her books, I'd ask myself "why am i reading this, this is from the children's section", and by the end of the book I'd be like "oh, yeah...that's why."
@@Bllue Hexwood is kinda awesome. I gave my copy to my niece, and she really enjoyed it :)
I never understood why Stardust wasn't a much bigger movie, succeswise. It was so great. I really love it. Thank you for covering it.
I remember watching the movie with my mom in theaters when I was a kid, and I’ve loved it ever since. It’s my favorite live action movie and I watch it every time I’m feeling down.
2007 was a year of Pirates of the Caribbean 3, Harry Potter 5, Spider-Man 3 and Transformers. A bit harder to get noticed amongst all these huge block busters, especially as a new, not previously established franchise. Still I've managed to watch it in the cinema and loved it, probably more than some of the aforementioned.
@@Mordring Good point. Generally the past twenty years or so seem to be an era of franchises in which it is very difficult for standalone films to stand out... sadly.
@@Mordring Now I suddenly feel very old... Your point is valid though.
"Love isn't a feeling" "No?" "It's an ability". A perfect quote, which, by the way, is from Dan in Real Life, if you've never seen it
Or “love isn’t an emotion, love is a promise” from doctor who
@@Wurmze that’s good, as someone who’s never seen the show. Which season/iteration of the character is it from?
Would love to see a Therapist Reacts to Dan in Real Life ❤️
@@Wurmze dang it i could hear the voice.
@@Overseer2579 it’s from the finale of s8 with Peter Capaldi
"Tell me about Victoria."
"There's nothing more to tell you."
If he loved her, this wouldn't be his answer. He would be able to yak her ear off about Victoria for DAYS. But, nope, that's all he's got.
Yes! This! They focus on her not doing anything for him, and she is a bit of a dick, getting him to do stuff for her. But he doesn’t love her either
Because they haven't spent any time together and she has done nothing good to, for or around him. She is constantly using him.
Like the scene where he gets fired? She cuts to the head of the long line, doesn't pay and has him leave mid shift which causes him to get fired.
She feels sorry he lost his job but point blank refuses to acknowledge her part in it.
@@kittikats Yeah I agree she’s using him. She clearly doesn’t care for him/ just isn’t a very nice person. So why does he claim to love her? He clearly doesn’t really, he’s just fixated on her
I love this movie -- and it's so underrated. So many fascinating characters (created by Neil Gaiman) and so wonderfully brought to life in Jane Goldman's script... Whenever I have a friend who's having a health problem or other life challenges, I loan them this DVD. It's helped make so many people happier!
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James, we do not want to hear about animal rights today on this Cinema Therapy Stardust video. Thank you for trying. Anyways,
@Wendy Wheeler, I LOVE this story! It is so nice of you to lend your DVD to spread some joy and feel-good to others. The music and the whole world of this movie also make me happy. Can't share our digital media easily these days, but DVDs we can! 💕
"We've always known you were a whoopsie" is about the best and most inclusive moment in the history of Cinema. It lets him start living his best life. He flirts with Humphrey and makes Humphrey happy and pisses off Victoria. Just a few seconds of film and I'm hooked!
Yes. I loved the captain and his crew.
Absolutely love Captain Shakespeare! And the fact that his crew always knew and respected him enough to make him believe he was keeping his secret the entire time, shows what a great man and great captain he must have been to them.
Captain Shakespear and his crew were amazing. Later on Gaiman said how they weren't really in the book, but he wishes they were, and that's about the highest praise I can imagine.
My mum uses that euphemism all the time now, it's her favourite because it sounds more whimsical.
I absolutely adore Captain Shakespeare
The soundtrack for this movie is CRIMINALLY underrated
I agree
YEAH YOU AND ME WE COULD LIGHT UP THE SKY IF YOU STAY WITH ME GIRLLLL
@@sarasaeed6349 wtf? That's not even a song that plays in this movie and if you're trying to flirt with me, please don't. I'm not interested
@@Lady_lulyS2”cough” ……“ending credits”….. “cough”
Robert DeNiro's scene cross dressing has got to be my favorite part. And the acceptance the crew has for who he is is so heart warming
As someone who has been a simp the line, "he's a pleasant distraction for her and she's everything to him" switched a light bulb on in my brain. It is the most humanizing way to look at this situation. For both ends.
Was the simp too. Such a shitty thing. Hope you're doing better. There's no shame in have been a simp as long as you grow out of it.
I love that Claire Danes gives all the face. Perfect for this. She is a star learning to be human. It reminds me of my girls when they were babies and learning facial expressions and how big they were as they learned.
As a human being I feel like I communicate like Yvainne. Some people just do. I have my school report from my first year and the teacher noted I don’t talk much, but I do communicate a lot with facial expressions!
Fave scene has to be “What do stars do? They shine.” Ugh such a beautiful and wholesome movie. ‘Rule the World’ by Take That was such an excellent soundtrack choice too 🥰
I liked how they managed to get her name into the lyrics 'Yvaine'gels cry, I'll be there for you' To anyone who hasn't seen the film, it's If angels cry, but if you listen, you can hear the slight change of emphasis. Cute.
They also know exactly how to know boys called Tristan Thorn
Love that song and had such a hard time finding it. I think what I did find was a knock off version but it is close enough.
@@Amberthyme The official song from the soundtrack is called Rule the World by Take That, it's really good
I really liked that she was glowing when happy and the “overacting”. I mean, to me it makes sense because not being human she wasn't able to hide her feelings. And actually that is exactly what Tristan needed because his simping of Victoria made him blind to how others perceived him as a possible romantic partner.
I think Claire’s acting is absolutely perfect because just as she is a star learning how to human, she’s learning how to feel and control her feelings. She’s showing us how stars don’t try to hide their emotions because they’re used to not being able to hide through their shine. She doesn’t even realize she can chose to not emote
Her big expressions make sense in this story. Stars shine so bright we see them lightyears away. She can't hide what she's feeling either through her expressions or her glow.
Exactly. She's literally radiating emotions
That scene when Tristan and Yvaine are starting to open up to each other is my favourite scene of the movie, both characters are allowing themselves to be honest and vulnerable while setting up further development; Tristan becomes more confident, realising that Victoria never really cares about him as a person and Yvaine becomes more human.
Please do an episode on Big Eyes, it's based on a true story about an artist whose husband took credit for her paintings, was emotionally abusive throughout their marriage and when she finally got away from him he tried to discredit her saying she was mentally ill but she proved that she was the artist in court. Margaret Keane is her name and Amy Adams does a wonderful job portraying her.
Yes! And Christoph Waltz is brilliant as her conniving husband. He manages to straddle that line between charming and terrifying that so many abusers seem to be able to turn on and off.
@@lyreparadox I ADORE Christoph Waltz. He terrifies me and I also want to go bowling with him.
I believe in the anniversary edition audiobook, Neil Gaiman says that he was inspired by William Goldman and The Princess Bride and wanted to write something along the same vein.
in that Yvaine*
That wouldn’t surprise me. Similar to how the creators of the Batman animated series were inspired by Tim Burton’s 1989 Batman film
With a few minutes in
Jonathon:“I had a similar experience asking a girl to prom”
Alan:???
“Some D-bag hit you with a stick?!”
Jonathan:“Yeah, there was fencing.”
Adam I too want to hear about this story, Jonathan, you definitely have to explain lol!
"Stardust" is one of my favourite movies of all time. The scene that touches me the most and makes my eyes watery just thinking about it is the scene that follows after the very last snippet you showed on this video - it's not majorly plot relevant, but it touches on the same theme of love and acceptance from a different angle, and to me it's just so, so beautiful.
Captain Shakespeare's subplot was my favorite part of the movie! In part because R. Deniro has always reminded me of my dad, but mostly because it was the first time I saw that someone can have 2 seemingly diametrically opposed character traits and still be loved and respected even if they don't think they will be. I love it even more that it seemed such an organic way of how it might be addressed rather than have it be a PSA about gender/sexuality which is where most tv/movies drop the ball.
I love that you did Stardust, but you absolutely need to do another one on THE ROYAL FAMILY. The psychotic dad, the rivalry among the brothers, Tristan’s mother somehow being decent despite it all… that would be GLORIOUS, and so much fun. Maybe a bit on the witch sisters, too. Sibling battles galore!
So, two things: 1) The big expressions work on Claire Danes because she makes them seem natural, somehow, and 2) I spent much of the video being distracted by Charlie Cox's face until I placed him as Matt Murdock. Bonus 3) That's Henry Cavil as Humphry! Older films featuring young actors can be such fun because of things like this. 😄
I genuinely didn't see Henry Cavil in his face even after they pointed it out!
@@korganrocks3995 he does look wildly different as a blond (and I don't mean Witcher)
I gotta rewatch this movie. I had no idea Cavil was that guy.
Oh man if you want to see a really young Henry Cavill check out I Capture the Castle and the 2002 version of Count of Monte Cristo! He's practically a baby!
Ngl for ALL of Daredevil i was incredibly distracted by Charlie Cox being too attractive and then when i was rewatching this i was like huh, he's fit, but once Alan mentioned he was Charlie Cox i was like OH that's why that is!!
Fun fact: I'm pregnant and my daughter's name is going to be Yvaine :) My husband and I adore this movie, and it is 1000% such a hidden gem. My family and I have been quoting it for years, the character growth in the movie is always a joy, the worldbuilding and design are spectacular... I could go on and on, but sufficeth to say this will always be one of my top favs
Honestly considering naming my daughter the same name. Love it
I named my son Tristan because of this movie! It's such a wonderful story. Congratulations on your little bundle of joy!
I'm curious...have you read the book? It's a nice companion. Different, but still quirky, since it was written by Neil Gaiman.
Congratulations 🎉
Hope you have a safe everything!🍀
@@frostfang1 I haven't read the book yet, which is a great failing of mine haha, but I DO own it and just need to find the time to read it :)
The very clear expressiveness of the star is a brilliant choice. She had been human just a little while how would she know how to mask her feelings. It seems very childlike which also makes sense. I love it.
This movie came out when I was in high school and I was so enamoured with it that I watched it at least once a week for three years straight. The hair glow up was delightful, De Niro’s characters’ whit always put a smile on my face and the ghosts were so much fun as antagonistic competitive siblings. I was already a huge Danes fan and this movie continues to have me swooning for her! So thrilled you’ve done an episode for Stardust!
Loved the ghosts! Too bad they weren't part of the topic today haha
@@eveleen18 yeah the ghosts! my little sister watched Stardust once with me and the ghost is all she can remember 😂
@@eveleen18 the ghosts were so much fun! It was also great to see such a wonderful spread of actors too
"Murdered by pirates is good!" - the perfect Princess Bride quote to be inserted at 16:03 after making the connection between these two films at the beginning of the episode 😂
Maybe it was just too easy? 😆
ok some context: this was partly filmed in Norwich, Norfolk, England (where I'm from born and bred). Ipswich is in Suffolk- 45 miles away from Norwich so it is actually a long way away especially in those days pre trains. Also Norwich City football club and Ipswich Town are bitter rivals (because we are better of course!) so there may be a sort of in joke there because of where it was filmed! Bloody love this film. The Slaughtered Prince exterior shots are the Briton Arms Coffee House in Elm Hill, Norwich for anyone interested!
I think part of what makes Claire Danes performance so good is that while she is giving so much face it is also very complex emotionality. Happiness mixed with sadness, followed by perplexation, all in 3 seconds and it all makes perfect sense.
I love this movie. It has an innocent, yet pure take about love. I also love this line from the movie:
“When I see the way that mankind loves... You could search to the furthest reaches of the universe and never find anything more beautiful.”
This movie really did deserve much more credit than it got. Not just for being great, but for being a great adaptation. It doesn't follow the book exactly, but it stands so well on it's own feet.
OK, I cried. When you guys were talking about proving affection and putting yourself "down" on the totem pole, I really felt that. It feels like exactly what I've been doing all my life, which in some ways kind of makes sense considering I've faced a lot of rejection. But it's important to remember that my worth is not tied to others' impression of me. I shouldn't have to jump through hoops to prove my worth to myself or to prove my love/worth to others.
Also, I just love this movie. It's one of my favorite fantasy romances. I always identified with Tristan heavily, and hopefully I can learn to be better at recognizing my worth.
Thanks for sharing. Seriously, to put first hand experience out into the world is brave. Regardless of the experience.
I loved reading about your journey; it sounds like you have all the skills you need to keep growing in confidence and find the person who will love your true self ❤️
Aww I love this film, and the book is one of Neil Gaiman’s best works, though Coraline’s still in the lead.
Have you read The Graveyard Book? Love that one too!
@@CinemaTherapyShow oh that book’s amazing
Damn, would not have thought they were the same author
The book is so also much more bittersweet in its ending. If you know you know, I won't spoil it
Where does American Gods fall on your list? It's my more commercial favorite
it felt to me like "murdered by pirates" was an homage to Princess Bride's "murdered by pirates is good!"
As I'm autistic, most of my life I get treated like dirt.
I want to be myself, my genuine autistic self, I cannot conform without giving up on myself.
You two are like angels in disguise speaking things that make me glad I want to be me.
As a neurodivergent myself, as well as an out-of-shape gay male, I have been fairly lucky and fairly well-liked, but I totally understand what you mean; I am reminded, often daily, that I'm autistic and perceive and react to the world somewhat differently from most other people and it's so frustrating when I feel the pressure to disguise that part of myself as best as I can.
I thoroughly enjoy Jono and Alan, myself; they're such a breath of fresh air and I come away from these shows uplifted as well as wiser for it.
This is also something I struggle with, on top of being a fat gay transman. I have all these parts of myself-physically and mentally- that I find difficult to love myself, much less expect anyone else to love it. However, lately, I have realized that- like Tristan- I need to learn to love myself and gain confidence in all aspects of myself before anyone else can do the same :)
Yeah. And even more difficult to be one's genuine autistic self when there's so much pressure to give up yourself and conform. Hell, there's a whole industry dedicated to that.
@@monicaspoor2993 Do you mean film and television? Which industry?
Boy, do I know the feeling. I remember all too well the special ed and therapy rooms in school, all the therapists, the insults (not necessarily at me) from peers and adults... I have felt badly about myself for most of my life. It's so frustrating.
@@Sam-lb8xs The ABA industry in particular. Even the 'kinder' forms of behaviour analysis are based on the idea that we are broken and need to be made into someone else, and that line of thinking has permeated a lot of special ed and therapy. I mean, the USA still has an institution that tortures their students with electroshocks to make them 'normal'.
I love this movie so much.
I love that it shows Tristan thirsting after a girl who clearly is only using him for what he can and is willing to do for her knowing all the while that shes going to marry someone else
and shows Tristan growing into his own skin, learning to accept himself, and also earning the love of a *freaking star* after she also grows into her "earthly" skin and accepting herself.
Gah I love this movie and I'm so upset that more people don't know about it. I also absolutely adore the pirates cause how can you not??
reading the last sentence makes me wanna go and make a manly, pirate-ly *_ERRRRHH_* sound 😂
I think the "Is it okay to lie to your partner if you're a mouse?" Question could apply to real life. She basically asked if he could understand her and he deliberately misled her in order to hear what she would say if she was sure he couldn't hear. Its similar to scenes where one party pretends to be asleep/unconscious and the other talks frankly to them after making sure they're out. It's a question to which I would actually like a serious answer.
There are a LOT of movie tropes that are unhealthy in real life. Just accept them as a way to move the story forward.
Growing up, as a teen, all you ever want is to be with the "in" crowd. By that I mean you want to feel like you belong. Hearing Jonathan talk about how THOSE are usually the people who don't know themselves or are hiding. It just reaffirmed my feelings that, though I was always a little sad I couldn't be in the "in crowd", I knew who i was or at least who i wanted to be.
This is incredibly profound, and I relate.
I never fit in with the "in croud". At a very early age, I realized that I would not like myself if I did the things it took to be one of them.
They're phony, fake folk
I liked their commentary on changing who you are for other people. I tried and tried and tried to change myself to fit in (I have ADHD so I’m noticeably “other”) but I just couldn’t, because it wasn’t who I am. I always blamed myself for not fitting in, but at least my sense of self was strong enough that I never changed who I was.
Can confirm. I have been told I am confident by lots of people but I always point out I'm not confident; I am self assured. I know exactly who I am and I deliver that at all times.
I've always known I'm different (quirky, lacks embarrassment and pursues my own interests even if they aren't popular). As a teen, yeah, not popular with my peers. But I NEVER tried to change myself to fit in because it would go against the core of who I am. I would never be able to keep it up and any connections I made wouldn't be real because the me they liked wasn't real.
Being self assured didn't mean I didn't have faults or parts of myself that I thought could use work. Self assured doesn't mean "well that's just they are, deal with it". If anything you should be more aware of the impact you can have on people and try to make it more pleasant.
This is literally one of my favourite movies ever made. Everything about it is delightful (including the behind the scenes footage where Neil Gaiman apologises to the set designer for dreaming up a flying pirate ship 😂). This film and the book it’s based on shaped so much of my perception of love, self-love and relationships.
I LOVE Claire Daines expressiveness in this movie. She was a perfectly lovely! I can't imagine anyone else creating such a believable and endearing Yvaine.
I love this movie, in a way both Tristian and Yvine had their "head in the clouds", Tristian was too in love with love to see Victoria, and Yvine spent the beginning just wanting to be back in the sky. They literally grounded each other, while as individuals grew.
Also I am so glad you talked about the MOST important character growth, THAT HAIR!!
Ikr
I loved this movie when I was a kid. I never knew it had such a good lesson and well written romance.
Princess Bride and Stardust are 2 of my favourite movies. I can almost quote Princess Bride, but not stardust. I think I get so lost in Stardusts 'magicalness' to remember the lines.
I remember watching this movie as a 7 year old kid. I absolutely loved it. And the ending was legit what I thought would happen to people when they die if you say, "They go to heaven" to me for a good 2 years
"He's gone all the way to Ipswich." As an Australian I found that hilarious because where I live Ipswich is like a bit of a shabby city west of my home city and its got some rough folk 😆😆
Yes! Lol I was going to comment the same 😂 I was thinking “yikes, you don’t want to go to Ipswich, probably get mugged by a crackhead or some eshay wannabe sporting a mullet”
That edit of Alan's face over Captain Shakespear having fun with the floofy costumes is the highlight of my morning
You're welcome 😂
Stardust and Princess Bride are perhaps both the most impactful and comforting movies I've watched growing up. They both have so much love shown to their "silly" fantasy worlds, while Stardust in particular has such a great message about "love" itself. Any time I remember Stardust or Princess Bride, I can't help but feel like I need to watch them right away. They are both worthy of cult status
Yay. So glad ur doing this film. Such an underrated gem. Probably my favourite like fantasy romance... I mean, I cant think of many others, at least not ones this good. Such a fun and sweet film, with a lovely message and love story, with a gorgeous soundtrack.
It's so good!
I would pick princess bride over it but this film is still really good
@@liamfaherty7211 Both films are truly amazing! If you like that type of movies I’ll suggest you watch “Ever After” with Drew Barrymore and Dougray Scott, is a masterpiece!
@@liamfaherty7211 I’ve said that Stardust should be the next Princess Bride. The quotes, the cult following, everything
@@mickeysmagic89 it really should be
I’m SO glad you did this movie I feel like nobody knew this one but it’s one of my all time favorites.
I love Henry Cavill in this. You can barely tell that it's him and he looks like he's having SO much fun every second he's on screen. It makes me happy.
Love this movie. I felt the same way about Stardust having Princess Bride vibes. My husband and I saw it in the theater twice because it was that good. The only other movie I ever saw in the theater twice on release was the Incredibles and it was with my husband and then with my sister. It totally deserves Princess Bride status. Make it so!!!
I just finished watching After the Wedding and thanks to Alan I think I can appreciate scene setups and camera work so much more. I immediately thought "this film deserves to be on Cinema Therapy spotlight." It could be a good one for discussing grief, facing death, betrayal trauma, compassion. It was so beautiful and amazing.
Edit: I love Claire Danes' acting face completely and it will never be ruined for me.
@@jamespatrick20906 is it relevant to my comment?
I am a huge Neil Gaiman fan, and when I heard the movie was coming out I was so excited, it really did his book justice since Stardust really is written like a fairy tale and perfect for screen, I wish this video recognized that and everyone in the comments knew. I couldn't be more pleased at how many of Gaiman's works have now made it to screen and movies. The man even creates wonderful Doctor Who scripts.
Alan, saying what we're all thinking: "Is it okay to lie to your partner, IF you are a mouse."
Jonathan Decker: I'll cross that bridge when I get to it."
I watched this film at the cinema when it came out. My friends and I were bored that day and decided to go to the cinema without checking the weekly billboard. We saw the poster of the film outside and we decided to watch it randomly. We all loved it. I recently enjoyed it with my boyfriend who never watched it before and he also loved it. It’s a comfort film for me, alongside with Studio Ghibli ones.
I think Claire Danes reactions are so large because her character doesn't know how to limit herself. Because she is learning how to be a human she hadn't learned how to be deceitful to herself. She just expresses because it is a part of living
This is one of my all-time favorite films. Anyone who loves The Princess Bride but hasn't seen Stardust, please hunt it down and watch it ASAP.
(And don't think this episode spoiled the whole story. There's two or three whole other plotlines and a bunch of great characters woven in, that the guys left out almost completely because they aren't directly connected to the romance stuff.)
Also, this movie inspired me to get out of working retail. I'd worked in stores full time for seven or eight years and decently enjoyed it, but that "not a shopboy, just working in a shop" idea embedded itself in my brain forever the first time I heard it.
It reminds me that a job is only as large a part of my identity as I allow it to be, no matter what amount of my life I've spent doing it.
Never let anyone shame you for putting your dreams on hold for a while, to recharge and resupply... but don't lose sight of those dreams.
One of my favorite movies ever and honestly just an all-around great film. It's rare for a fantasy movie to be a whole combination of intense, funny, dramatic and emotional, with elements of both realism and fantasy, feeling equal parts beyond our world but also grounded in it. A perfect balance, really.
Charlie Cox is just so perfect in this movie, that giggle gets me every time
I love this movie. It's also the first time I noticed Henry Cavill lol.
Also, I assumed the way Claire played Evane, being expressive was good. She was a star and didn't have the human social interaction that teaches us to be guarded as we grow up.
She's never experienced those human emotions, she has no idea how to cope
Thank you for finally covering this movie! Some of my favorite scenes are the ones between Dunstan and Tristan... they have a great parent-child relationship, that is only hinted at. But the hints reveal a lot of mutual respect and trust, which in turn implies a lot of good things about Dustan as a person and parent.
man. every time he says "our capacity for love" all i can think is the absolutely epic quote from Griffin McElroy
“Our capacity for love increases with each person we cross paths with throughout our lives, and with each moment we spend with those people. But, too often we neglect that part of ourselves in favor of others. And by the time we realize just how important it is, we find ourselves with fewer folks around to practice with.”
gods i love this movie so much.
This is one of my favorite movies of all time. I'm so glad you guys did this! It's so wholesome, and sweet, and clever. Also Michelle Pfeiffer is an absolute queen, the brother's subplot is hilarious and wild, and Tristen and Yvaine are goals. Thank you for talking about the relationship and growth. I think it's so important with a lot of good lessons to be had in this film.
This was such a delight to see one of my favourite UA-cam channels talking about one of my all-time favourite films! I discovered Stardust by accident when I was browsing the shelves at my local library as a teenager and I absolutely loved watching it. I loved the immense character development that both Tristan and Yvaine go through and that they each grow as people on their own terms before they fall in love with each other and it was so beautiful to witness that unfolding. I love that Tristan really comes into his own and gains his confidence and comes to experience a healthy, authentic relationship with Yvaine instead of pursuing Victoria. Two of the things that I particularly liked in this film was Tristan's dad telling him that 'not fitting with the popular crowd was actually a good omen' and it taught me that there's strength and beauty in being yourself and not conforming with the masses and the other was when Captain Shakespeare says, 'Reputations, you know, lifetimes to build, seconds to destroy' which really stood out to me because it said that if you're trying to build up an image of yourself that's not very authentic, it might take a lot of time and effort to do that but one day it might all come crumbling down anyway and that's why it's better to just be yourself rather than craft an elaborate reputation and pretend to be someone you're not. This film is actually adapted from a novel by Neil Gaiman and while I'm a fan of his writing and generally prefer books to their cinematic adaptations, this film is probably the only exception where I happened to love the film more than its source material and that's just evidence of how good this film is. I love how this film strikes such a great balance between fantasy, adventure, romance, and humour which makes it such an entertaining watch. Thank you so much for doing an episode on this underrated gem! ❤️
Though nobody will see this I have to write it down. this video was a moment of revelation to me. I did not believe that a UA-cam channel could turn things around, but this one did. I've always felt unworthy cause my girlfriends wanted to change who I was. I felt i should to earn their interest and love. Those simple words "it's not you it's them" really struck me as so obvious and true. Thank you guys!
Comparing Stardust and The Princess Bride makes me crave a "Therapist Reacts to the Princess Bride". Any plans to make that happen? I don't think I would be the only one to love it!
Probably my two favorite moments in Stardust were Yvaine's line of "because nothing says romance like the gift of a kidnapped, injured woman!" And that point when Tristan gets beat up by the 100+ year old wall guard. Clearly the man learned from his last encounter with the Thorne family. 😂
“The people we look up to and venerate, they’re just people.” This is the lesson it’s taken me too many decades to even start learning. But slowly getting there as the masks begin to slip.
A year after, I hope you're doing better!
The editors are merciless and honestly, they bring so much to these already chemistry filled videos I can't stop laughing and appreciating.
Hot take: I've read the book but the movie far outshines (ha get it?), though I adore Neil's writing. This is just one of the movies they got right! Also the soundtrack is PHENOMENAL.
22:30 im so glad they included this, my favorite monologue out of Yvaine
and the reason why Claire Danes is giving all the FACE is because She's a star! She doesn't quite know how to deal with human emotions just yet :))
I love this movie. I've always been told that if I can't be myself with a person because they don't like who I am, then they're not worth hanging out with (be it family, friend, lover) and this movie shows that nicely. Especially with the captain. He hides who he is from everyone, but his crew picked up on it and never said anything to him; just let him be him in private. When he was "outed", they didn't judge or ridicule him, or even make a big deal about it, and then went on about their day. They all love and accept their captain as he is, and it's a beautiful moment.
YES!!! I was hoping that the Cinema Dads would briefly touch upon it, but I understand it would be getting off-topic. Still to me one of the most touching parts of the film, they all respect his interests and would still encourage him to continue what he enjoys.
@@Scrofar Exactly! I loved it! And I agree, it would have been awesome to see them touch on it, but understandable that they didn't as it would be off topic.
@@jamespatrick20906 Hello. I don't mind, ask away.
@@jamespatrick20906 I'm doing well. How are you? Thank you, that's kind of you to say. 😊 I do love animals. I do not have any pets at the moment. Having a dog is fun! How old is Jackie?
@@jamespatrick20906 Wow, 14 is an old age for a dog! Have you had her for all 14 years? I am from the US. Where are you from?
Such a good movie. A fun ride the whole way through, plus a good romance story.
That sword fight scene between Tristan and Septimus' corpse still pops into my mind from time to time.
100% right about this film being underrated. It's always been dear to me. I remember it getting a lot of backlash for being different from the book, but similarly to The Princess Bride, both the book and the film have unique elements that work for their medium. Stardust's film adaptation is amazingly well done, with some powerful acting. They didn't even touch on how much greatness Michelle Pfieffer brings to her role as the primary villain!