@@leonfisher It's like a giant hole in the water soaking up money. Between that and the Lambo now I am finding it hard to save any serious money. The Irish country roads are playing havoc with the car 😂😂😂
Hi, Yes they do... So the thread for the VND or diffusion filter would be the same size as the adptor ring thread. In other words if your lens is an 82mm filter thread the inner thread on the adaptor ring is 82mm then too. I crazily didn't spot that before I did this review video as all my other matte boxes didn't have this facility. If I would have known it at the time I would have mentioned it in the video as it's incredibly handy to have that for a VND or diffusion filter.
To answer my own Question you can use multiple filtertrays, I have 3 . The PROBLEM is that already owning many NISI and LEE 100/150mmm filters they do not fit ! the Neewer holder is slightly shorter so the filters wont fit !. Maybe forcing people to buy Neewer filters
Hi Gordon, I own 16 different 4 X 5.65" filters and only three of them are from Neewer and they all fit perfectly. 4 X 5.65 is the industry standard as I am sure you know and all of mine fit with no issue at all. Are the filters you have 4 x 5.65 or are they 100mm X 150mm. The industry standard is 4 X 5.65" Are the filters you have photography filters by any chance?
@@kieranhayesphotography I didnt know! Ive been a stills photographer all my life and only since ive bought a new Mirrorles Canon R8 have decided to actually film, the standard filter size is 100/150mm for what they call square filters , eg slide in filters as opposed to circular screw in types. I have many from Nisi lee and others. exactly the same filters as are used in filming, the only difference is they are a few mm longer. It never occured to me their would be 2 standards so close together, it just doesnt make sense neither have to be the size they are as both at the usable area are outwith the field of view, It would have made no difference at all if stills filters were that few mm shorter as it the width that dictates and vica versa with the film filters they could just as easily be that few mm longer. 1 standard for both. Now if i had the film filters first they would fit no problem into the sliding filter holders used for stills, but you cant fit the larger filter int a smaller space. A simple solution would to have a filter tray with an adjustable end, a simple pressure plate that could clamp onto the filter ,and a screw thread to move it that few mm to secure the filter, maybe a rubberised end to protect the glass. The cost would be pennies and 1 size would fit all. So im afraid my logic has come a cropper . I have the Matte box 3 filter holders, and no filters that fit. Bearing in mind the cost of each filter is much the same for both and they are just the same ND's polarisers graduated, thats hundreds of ££. Ive found a local glass cutter who can either cut down or grind my larger 150mm filters down to size for £5 each. and smooth them off on the edges, for £40/50 im going to save hundreds . But 2 standards with only a 3/4 mm difference WHY ?
@@gordonyoung1970 H Gordon, like you I am a photographer mainly but over the last 6 years year I have goner more seriously into video. The reason for the two sizes is video filters were and still are 4mm thick filters and 4 x 5.65 inches in size where as photography filters were and still are only two mm thick and 4 x 6 inches. If you cut down your existing filters they could be very loose in the filter trays as they are only half the thickness also. Video filters were always made to a higher standard traditionally as you are panning and any abnormalities in the glass would be clearly evident then when seen on a large screen like in a cinema, stills are more tolerant of slight imperfections. Crazily there are other standard filter sizes for video filters for larger format cameras. Its never easy is it... For you now I would think that cutting your existing filters is not an option as they will be too thin in the trays then. I would think trying to return or sell on the matte box is your best option. You can always use your existing filter holder and the nd filters you have but you just won't have the top flag option. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
@@kieranhayesphotography Thanks for your reply, Now im wondering why 4mm and not 2mm. Its not as if 2mm is not rigid enough. The length is actually 150mm not 6in a 2mm difference. But thats not realy my point. the difference btween the 2 is 3.5 mm, why were either made to their respective sizes. I would think the cine size predates the stills introduction, and it would have made absolutely no difference to have made them the same size. You pointing out the difference in thickness seems to be more of a reason. Now a NISI ND or polarising filter is most certainly not cheap, but their cine range IS much more expensive, well there is twice the glass to begin with. Presumably made to even higher standards. They even have a different 6K range. Im just getting into filming I dont really want or need to pay £200 for a single filter. I still want to take stills and of course a 4mm filter will not fit in a normal filter holder. What i need is a company like Stillrig or Neweer to make a small diffference to their filter holder Now there is a pressure plate or screw which is used to tighten the filter into place, so if they made the filter holder 150mm it would simply take a longer screw (3.5mm) to keep the filter in place. As for the thickness a simple 2mm thick frame on top of the filter. Maybe i should Patent it ! So many vloggers out there now or people like me wanting to use their new Mirrorless for making videos. There has to be a demand. I thank you again for your input
@@gordonyoung1970 Hi Gordon, yes it's a serious pity there are two different systems and my own thoughts on it are that the photography filters don't need to be as optically perfect and they are more out and about filters so they probably thought lets make them lighter and easier to use. One of the good things about modern life is standardization and hopefully that will extend to this market one of these days. Yo can also get the Neewer ND filters, they work really well and they are very reasonably priced thankfully. Formatt Hitech (one of the companies I am an ambassador for) also do Superslim filters which are 2mm thick and they are full cinema grade filters, so 2mm is coming thankfully. I wish you well on your videography journey, fingers crossed there won't be too many more bumps on the road for you like this.
Hi Gordan, you can use two trays at a time, you can buy it in the dual and single tray kit. I tried it with a screw on 82mm diffusion filters and the two trays and it worked perfectly. I hope that helps 👍
Hi, You won't fit a VND filter inside the Matte Box, now it's possible to mount one on the lens and mount the matte box to that but I wouldn't recommend that for a few reasons, SmallRig has a unit with a builtin VND filter, it's not cheap though.
@@kieranhayesphotography And you can't use it in combination with a different filter. Unless you second-hand buy their discontinued extra tray... at a ridiculous price.
Hi Gordon, they practically are identical and that happens a n awful lot now. Neewer are always cheaper though and generally they have a few tiny little extras in them also. I was always a big SmallRig fan but Neewer just keep getting better and better now. I have loads of their products here now and not an issue with a single one of them.
I am not saying anyone should but it's just something I noticed. Personally I find it a bit funny that you could be there with 15-20k worth of gear and years of experience and somebody thinks it's more of a pro shoot because you pop on a matte box. Again that's possibly just me, as people find me very unimpressive on shoots, I am probably way too laid back for my own good.
Neewer got their moneys worth with this review. Well done!
If only I was getting paid for these, I could retire on my 90 foot yacht in Monaco then 😂😂😂
@@kieranhayesphotography So you do have a yacht, but just can't retire!
😄
@@leonfisher It's like a giant hole in the water soaking up money. Between that and the Lambo now I am finding it hard to save any serious money.
The Irish country roads are playing havoc with the car 😂😂😂
Great review 👏 looks like a handy bit of kit to have.
It certainly is 👍
Do the adaptor rings have a inner female thread so that you can screw on a vnd? The order would be lens-adapter ring-vnd
Hi, Yes they do... So the thread for the VND or diffusion filter would be the same size as the adptor ring thread. In other words if your lens is an 82mm filter thread the inner thread on the adaptor ring is 82mm then too. I crazily didn't spot that before I did this review video as all my other matte boxes didn't have this facility. If I would have known it at the time I would have mentioned it in the video as it's incredibly handy to have that for a VND or diffusion filter.
To answer my own Question you can use multiple filtertrays, I have 3 . The PROBLEM is that already owning many NISI and LEE 100/150mmm filters they do not fit ! the Neewer holder is slightly shorter so the filters wont fit !. Maybe forcing people to buy Neewer filters
Hi Gordon, I own 16 different 4 X 5.65" filters and only three of them are from Neewer and they all fit perfectly.
4 X 5.65 is the industry standard as I am sure you know and all of mine fit with no issue at all.
Are the filters you have 4 x 5.65 or are they 100mm X 150mm. The industry standard is 4 X 5.65"
Are the filters you have photography filters by any chance?
@@kieranhayesphotography I didnt know! Ive been a stills photographer all my life and only since ive bought a new Mirrorles Canon R8 have decided to actually film, the standard filter size is 100/150mm for what they call square filters , eg slide in filters as opposed to circular screw in types. I have many from Nisi lee and others. exactly the same filters as are used in filming, the only difference is they are a few mm longer. It never occured to me their would be 2 standards so close together, it just doesnt make sense neither have to be the size they are as both at the usable area are outwith the field of view, It would have made no difference at all if stills filters were that few mm shorter as it the width that dictates and vica versa with the film filters they could just as easily be that few mm longer. 1 standard for both. Now if i had the film filters first they would fit no problem into the sliding filter holders used for stills, but you cant fit the larger filter int a smaller space. A simple solution would to have a filter tray with an adjustable end, a simple pressure plate that could clamp onto the filter ,and a screw thread to move it that few mm to secure the filter, maybe a rubberised end to protect the glass. The cost would be pennies and 1 size would fit all. So im afraid my logic has come a cropper . I have the Matte box 3 filter holders, and no filters that fit. Bearing in mind the cost of each filter is much the same for both and they are just the same ND's polarisers graduated, thats hundreds of ££. Ive found a local glass cutter who can either cut down or grind my larger 150mm filters down to size for £5 each. and smooth them off on the edges, for £40/50 im going to save hundreds . But 2 standards with only a 3/4 mm difference WHY ?
@@gordonyoung1970 H Gordon, like you I am a photographer mainly but over the last 6 years year I have goner more seriously into video. The reason for the two sizes is video filters were and still are 4mm thick filters and 4 x 5.65 inches in size where as photography filters were and still are only two mm thick and 4 x 6 inches. If you cut down your existing filters they could be very loose in the filter trays as they are only half the thickness also.
Video filters were always made to a higher standard traditionally as you are panning and any abnormalities in the glass would be clearly evident then when seen on a large screen like in a cinema, stills are more tolerant of slight imperfections.
Crazily there are other standard filter sizes for video filters for larger format cameras. Its never easy is it...
For you now I would think that cutting your existing filters is not an option as they will be too thin in the trays then. I would think trying to return or sell on the matte box is your best option. You can always use your existing filter holder and the nd filters you have but you just won't have the top flag option. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
@@kieranhayesphotography Thanks for your reply, Now im wondering why 4mm and not 2mm. Its not as if 2mm is not rigid enough. The length is actually 150mm not 6in a 2mm difference. But thats not realy my point. the difference btween the 2 is 3.5 mm, why were either made to their respective sizes. I would think the cine size predates the stills introduction, and it would have made absolutely no difference to have made them the same size. You pointing out the difference in thickness seems to be more of a reason. Now a NISI ND or polarising filter is most certainly not cheap, but their cine range IS much more expensive, well there is twice the glass to begin with. Presumably made to even higher standards. They even have a different 6K range. Im just getting into filming I dont really want or need to pay £200 for a single filter. I still want to take stills and of course a 4mm filter will not fit in a normal filter holder. What i need is a company like Stillrig or Neweer to make a small diffference to their filter holder Now there is a pressure plate or screw which is used to tighten the filter into place, so if they made the filter holder 150mm it would simply take a longer screw (3.5mm) to keep the filter in place. As for the thickness a simple 2mm thick frame on top of the filter. Maybe i should Patent it ! So many vloggers out there now or people like me wanting to use their new Mirrorless for making videos. There has to be a demand. I thank you again for your input
@@gordonyoung1970 Hi Gordon, yes it's a serious pity there are two different systems and my own thoughts on it are that the photography filters don't need to be as optically perfect and they are more out and about filters so they probably thought lets make them lighter and easier to use.
One of the good things about modern life is standardization and hopefully that will extend to this market one of these days.
Yo can also get the Neewer ND filters, they work really well and they are very reasonably priced thankfully. Formatt Hitech (one of the companies I am an ambassador for) also do Superslim filters which are 2mm thick and they are full cinema grade filters, so 2mm is coming thankfully.
I wish you well on your videography journey, fingers crossed there won't be too many more bumps on the road for you like this.
How many filter trays can be used at any one time ?
Hi Gordan, you can use two trays at a time, you can buy it in the dual and single tray kit.
I tried it with a screw on 82mm diffusion filters and the two trays and it worked perfectly.
I hope that helps 👍
Does a vnd filter works?
Hi, You won't fit a VND filter inside the Matte Box, now it's possible to mount one on the lens and mount the matte box to that but I wouldn't recommend that for a few reasons, SmallRig has a unit with a builtin VND filter, it's not cheap though.
@@kieranhayesphotography And you can't use it in combination with a different filter. Unless you second-hand buy their discontinued extra tray... at a ridiculous price.
@stevegek when did they discontinue the extra trays? They were available as an optional extra when I did that review.
it's almost identicle to the Smallrig, even the packaging.
Hi Gordon, they practically are identical and that happens a n awful lot now. Neewer are always cheaper though and generally they have a few tiny little extras in them also.
I was always a big SmallRig fan but Neewer just keep getting better and better now. I have loads of their products here now and not an issue with a single one of them.
I'd never make a purchase to increase peoples perception of professionalism.
I am not saying anyone should but it's just something I noticed.
Personally I find it a bit funny that you could be there with 15-20k worth of gear and years of experience and somebody thinks it's more of a pro shoot because you pop on a matte box.
Again that's possibly just me, as people find me very unimpressive on shoots, I am probably way too laid back for my own good.
@@kieranhayesphotography wear a tuxedo on your next shoot Kieran.😉
@@sunrisesunset8843 last time I did that they thought I was the model 😂😂😂
@@kieranhayesphotography people rate photographers based on how large their lens are. I've seen it to many times unfortunately