That Rabbi Filo’s explanation of firmament is superb actually. It’s like our word establish wherein the idea being made manifest is established. In Sanskrit the verb root stha meaning to stand also implies exists and furthermore has a connotation of firmness as well. All these words have interrelated meanings: firm, exist, stand. Think of the expression to be in good standing. The simple literal meaning of the word stand doesn’t convey the usage. Firmament makes perfect sense as something that has come into existence.
James Trimm, the sound quality of your speech is poor. It's because your microphone doesn't have a proper wind shield. Air blows from your mouth, which causes error sounds in the recording. You should put a better wind shield on your microphone or try recording by moving the microphone further away for example to the left. There are also inexpensive shirt-mounted microphones on the market, which usually work much better.
Thank you for scripturally and factually representing logical and sane truth. I hope this puts to rest someone’s doubts as they are being pressured and badgered to join the flat earth cult. And may I leave a reminder here that anyone who uses tactics like discounting evidence that won’t support their fringe theories or claiming you are deceived and against the Bible if you don’t think just like they do or uses mockery and other badgering techniques to shame you into siding with them is rarely ever on the right side.
Isn’t the firmament that which held the waters above in place before the flood? And it was dismantled at the time of the flood. That’s why the atmosphere changed since then.
We really need to unlearn and relearn so many things including this topic. Biblically, the firmament is really a firm solid crystalline structure up there. You quote Philo but why not Josephus? Just do more research before answering this question. There’s no gravity, and the law of density is the answer why it is so.
Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass? And he says, If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? John 3:12
@@d-bo6411 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. Relevant to this is, צָנֹ֤וף יִצְנָפְךָ֙ צְנֵפָ֔ה כַּדּ֕וּר אֶל־אֶ֖רֶץ רַחֲבַ֣ת יָדָ֑יִם שָׁ֣מָּה תָמ֗וּת וְשָׁ֨מָּה֙ מַרְכְּבֹ֣ות כְּבֹודֶ֔ךָ קְלֹ֖ון בֵּ֥ית אֲדֹנֶֽיךָ׃ Very relevant. Ya know what I mean?
Firmament: Bronze Age Cosmology and uninformed thinking of the sky as some kind of "firm" dome. Water fell through the sky holes. It means what it was intended. Apologetic nonsense is not helping here. These were Bronze Age thinkers. They weren't known for knowing very much.
Cope harder, Trimminator! Reading later commentators and scientific theories that have no relation to the original ANE context into the biblical text is anachronistic and laughable. Job 37:18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass? Eze 1:22 And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above. Eze 1:23 And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies. Eze 1:24 And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings. Eze 1:25 And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings. Eze 1:26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. Rev 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. Rev 4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
Thank you for scripturally and factually representing logical and sane truth. I hope this puts to rest someone’s doubts as they are being pressured and badgered to join the flat earth cult. And may I leave a reminder here that anyone who uses tactics like discounting evidence that won’t support their fringe theories or claiming you are deceived and against the Bible if you don’t think just like they do or uses mockery and other badgering techniques to shame you into siding with them is rarely ever on the right side.
That Rabbi Filo’s explanation of firmament is superb actually. It’s like our word establish wherein the idea being made manifest is established. In Sanskrit the verb root stha meaning to stand also implies exists and furthermore has a connotation of firmness as well. All these words have interrelated meanings: firm, exist, stand. Think of the expression to be in good standing. The simple literal meaning of the word stand doesn’t convey the usage.
Firmament makes perfect sense as something that has come into existence.
The horizon is horizontal
James Trimm, the sound quality of your speech is poor. It's because your microphone doesn't have a proper wind shield. Air blows from your mouth, which causes error sounds in the recording. You should put a better wind shield on your microphone or try recording by moving the microphone further away for example to the left. There are also inexpensive shirt-mounted microphones on the market, which usually work much better.
Thank you for scripturally and factually representing logical and sane truth. I hope this puts to rest someone’s doubts as they are being pressured and badgered to join the flat earth cult.
And may I leave a reminder here that anyone who uses tactics like discounting evidence that won’t support their fringe theories or claiming you are deceived and against the Bible if you don’t think just like they do or uses mockery and other badgering techniques to shame you into siding with them is rarely ever on the right side.
Isn’t the firmament that which held the waters above in place before the flood? And it was dismantled at the time of the flood. That’s why the atmosphere changed since then.
We really need to unlearn and relearn so many things including this topic.
Biblically, the firmament is really a firm solid crystalline structure up there. You quote Philo but why not Josephus? Just do more research before answering this question. There’s no gravity, and the law of density is the answer why it is so.
What's the ether
תַּרְקִ֣יעַ עִ֭מּוֹ לִשְׁחָקִ֑ים חֲ֝זָקִ֗ים כִּרְאִ֥י מוּצָֽק׃ ?
Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?
And he says,
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
John 3:12
הֲל֤וֹא תֵֽדְעוּ֙ הֲל֣וֹא תִשְׁמָ֔עוּ הֲל֛וֹא הֻגַּ֥ד מֵרֹ֖אשׁ לָכֶ֑ם הֲלוֹא֙ הֲבִ֣ינֹתֶ֔ם מוֹסְד֖וֹת הָאָֽרֶץ׃ הַיֹּשֵׁב֙ עַל־ח֣וּג הָאָ֔רֶץ וְיֹשְׁבֶ֖יהָ כַּחֲגָבִ֑ים הַנּוֹטֶ֤ה כַדֹּק֙ שָׁמַ֔יִם וַיִּמְתָּחֵ֥ם כָּאֹ֖הֶל לָשָֽׁבֶת׃
@@d-bo6411 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
Relevant to this is,
צָנֹ֤וף יִצְנָפְךָ֙ צְנֵפָ֔ה כַּדּ֕וּר אֶל־אֶ֖רֶץ רַחֲבַ֣ת יָדָ֑יִם שָׁ֣מָּה תָמ֗וּת וְשָׁ֨מָּה֙ מַרְכְּבֹ֣ות כְּבֹודֶ֔ךָ קְלֹ֖ון בֵּ֥ית אֲדֹנֶֽיךָ׃
Very relevant. Ya know what I mean?
Firmament: Bronze Age Cosmology and uninformed thinking of the sky as some kind of "firm" dome. Water fell through the sky holes. It means what it was intended. Apologetic nonsense is not helping here. These were Bronze Age thinkers. They weren't known for knowing very much.
Cope harder, Trimminator! Reading later commentators and scientific theories that have no relation to the original ANE context into the biblical text is anachronistic and laughable.
Job 37:18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?
Eze 1:22 And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.
Eze 1:23 And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.
Eze 1:24 And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.
Eze 1:25 And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.
Eze 1:26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
Rev 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
Rev 4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
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Thank you for scripturally and factually representing logical and sane truth. I hope this puts to rest someone’s doubts as they are being pressured and badgered to join the flat earth cult.
And may I leave a reminder here that anyone who uses tactics like discounting evidence that won’t support their fringe theories or claiming you are deceived and against the Bible if you don’t think just like they do or uses mockery and other badgering techniques to shame you into siding with them is rarely ever on the right side.