STORED DB Class 60's Moved for the first time in YEARS! Toton TMD
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- An interesting development last week with DB re-shuffling the order of the stored class 60's locos at Toton.
A class 66 loco was sent to shunt out the 12 locos put up for sale in Jan-23 - The order of the locos has now been arranged so that the 12 locos that have been sold now sit in the right hand line (as you look from the A52 bridge), with the remaining DB owned locos now sat on the left hand side nearest to the bank. The video doesn’t show the movement itself however does show you how the locos have been organised in 2 separate lines.
It still remains to be seen who has purchased the 12 locos in the right hand line or what the future holds for these 'Tugs' however good to see something happening with them finally.
See views from the A52 road bridge, Bessell lane and also aerial views. All drone footage was captured using a compliance size aircraft to the current CAA rules (Aug-23).
Hat tip to Paul H for the heads up on this.
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I used to love driving these locos , so quiet and could pull some good weights. Probably drove most of these over the years such a waste rotting away there. Prefer these over the 66s and 68s
they used to do the power station runs through here in hartlepool until the 66's took over everything probably that was their downfall , pity trainspotters today it's all 66's and Azuma's... boring
@@davidwalbank3317 sorta like in the ststes....soo many GE locomotives....
I thought it was sad seeing steam locos waiting to be scrapped at Doncaster works in the late 50's early 60's but seeing these beast rusting away is such a shame.😢
i used to remember spotting and seeing engines being transported to the scrapyards in special trains so sad...
There's enough sad 60s there to fill a battleship! I can't help feeling sorry for them, they've never been cherished. I've always had a soft spot for them.
There nice looking locos designed in to 1990's . i love class 60 :)
Brilliant Locos. I worked with most of them on the heavy coal trains for Power Station Working. I also noticed at 3.45 The four Broughs that have been retired, yet again!!
Really amazing to see so many loco's. Well done
Great video. A class 60 is used to haul biomass wagons from Tyne Dock to Lynemouth power station in Northumberland on the Blyth and Tyne line.
They also run the Doncaster-Tyne Yard engineers nowdays
They still run trains to drax Aes all the time
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The Class 60 locomotives are a modern design. They should have been rebuilt not condemned!
I remember the last time I was at this depot, 08’s, 24’s, 25’s, 44’s, 45’s, 46’s and lots of 20’s.
Nice . When u pull back and see the POWER STATION in the back ground . Miss the days of power stations on the landscape 😢
Yes all the ‘do gooders’ want us all to live with no power these days wind & bloody water power utter madness 😡
Good to see something happening after all this time hopefully some can be saved
You would think they would keep the foliage kept in check looks a disgrace I realise it's good for the wildlife but needs to be some standards even though it's a rail yard
There are no standards in the UK anymore its dog eat dog etc.
Wonder If we'll ever see these beasts work trains again Great video and drone footage
They've been sat there a long time. No doubt another contract will come in that stipulates the need for some Euro brand (we have plenty GE traction).
I so clearly remember when the Class 60s were brand new; now look at them...
That original livery on the Tugs suited them so well - All a big shame how they now currently stand 🥲
nice powerfull locos that just needed a proper service, way better than the horid imported class 66's
The problem is, those 'horid imported Class 66's' are 10 times more reliable and cheaper to maintain. They can also run upto 75 mph and easier to path between other trains.
Hard to argue with 99% reliability of the EMDs though!
70s are also imported so not just the 66 sheds
@@formidable38 Wouldn't say 66's are 10 times more reliable now their getting on a bit also there was serious talk of getting 60's allowed to run at 75 mph , but your dead right they are much cheaper to maintain
Hopefully something good will happen to those 12
Awesome shots of locos....i love
Wouldn't be surprised if the buyer of some of those class 60s is GBRf or DC rail.
GBRf have a huge variety of locos and are always Making their fleet bigger. They already got some Class 60s so it would make sense if these were to go to them.
Shame DB cargo just let them rot away. Should of gone for sale ages ago.
As they will no longer be using the class 90s their fleet is mostly class 66s now.
Great video by the way 👍
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GB will always take 66’s first, as and when they become available.
@@22pcirish Not any more.
@@railfreightdrivergallagherGBRf if you say so.
@@22pcirish I do agree with you there, GBRf loves their class 66s and keep adding more to their fleet , as they keep buying them off other operators. They recently in the last year or two bought a class 66s few of DRS
But they do keep expanding their fleet with anything they can get their hands on whether it is class 66s or not.
Won't be for long though as they have a order for some stadler class 99s. GBRf said these should be replacing their class 66 fleet in the future, but I think they just want to keep on expanding their fleet.
They did hire some class 67s recently off colas rail to try on their fleet. But apparently they would of been to much work for GBRf so they have now gone back to Colas rail.
It just shows you that GBRf are expanding their fleet any way possible. And are trying any locos just so their fleet can get bigger.
At least GBRf want a large fleet of different types of locos locos, that they are actually gonna put to some use. Unlike DB Cargo
Like 250! Beautiful video, greetings 🚂👍🙋♂️
60094 was a regular at DIRFT amazing to see it's name plate has not been nicked along with several named locos I noticed. Such a shame to see millions of pounds worth of motive power languishing.
A very interesting video. Thank you for posting.
awesome video thx for sharing.😊😊👍👍
Good drone footage...cheers..
some class 60's may be converted into bimodal diesel battery, longport depot recently gutted a 60 and are running tests on feasibility for bimodal conversion, the wiring in these needs pulling out and fitting again, some purchased and some remaining at toton have will and are allocated as donor locos, it's a shame but at least they can help other 60s find life again 👍
I was working out of Toton last week on the weed killing train . Top and tail with 2 class 69s
Always a good place to visit. Nice vid
I rather liked them. As a 20 something I got excited when a named class 60 went past me at full pelt. Only to realise that it had a family connection as it had Castle Cement - who my Dad worked for once - emblazoned on it with the name Clitheroe Castle. I now have the Hornby model. I do hope that one is still around. It was 60029 I believe.
60029 is reportedly still in service with Devon & Cornwall Rail Freight (DCR)
@@andrewreynolds4949 Do you know if it is still called “Clitheroe Castle”? As I am pretty certain that I once saw it called “Ben Nevis” Ironic if it is called that as it is working in Cornwall. As for the “Castle Cement” connection I know that disappeared ages ago as they are now Hanson Cement.
@@anthonywillis5249 Don't know. Just going off what's on ukraillog's list online
@@anthonywillis5249Still plenty of Castle Cement branded wagons about, there was a full rake of them in the last week around Gloucester in a siding in fact
To get 3000hp from 8 cylinders was unknown at the time, and they had the best traction control systems were streets ahead of the others as well. They had some problems, but the will to solve them wasn't there.
As soon as Wisconsin Central took over it was EMD or nothing. As an aside, train drivers in Norway get additional pay for the noise and vibration from EMD power units.
Sad to see them go.
The traction control unit for a 66, you can hold in your hand. For a 60, it’s about a third of the loco!
@@22pcirishbut a 60's anti wheel slip starts straight away whereas a 66 doesn't start till 6mph,the class 60 was problematic at the start but all the problems with the software were ironed out,it was,is & always be a far superior loco to the 66's,but unfortunately the 66's are cheaper to maintain & the clown who was head of EWS didn't want to spend the money on general overhauls on 60's,it's amazing how some even after 20 years hadn't had a major exam & were still running
@@stevenpryce7808 I drive 66”s. Indeed as I write this I am sat on one (at a red signal) the super creep system starts as soon as notch one is engaged. It’s a superb system, my second favourite loco of all I have driven (inc all the BR type 5’s)
@@22pcirish personal opinions will always vary
Great video as always 👍 shame about the class 60s parked up like a load of scrap not a nice sight all the best 👍
They used to pass through Poole hauling the LPG tanks. iirc it used to be hauled by class 58s before the 60s. The 60s went went the runs were taken over by 66s
They are designed and built to our correct loading gauge etc. and meet our standards where the imported locos apparently now don't.
I assume they will be refurbished and brought back to life.....I hope.
DB gained them for practically nothing when they started operating here and let them rot almost from day one.
Thanks for the footage.
@@nedex4023 Indeed.
They didn't suit DB Schenker when they received them, practically brand new locos. Instead, they went for importing yet more North American motive power.
Everything about how our railways were split up and sold off is a total disgrace and suggests corruption and brown envelopes.
If anyone from DB or someone who knows better, reads this, come and reply with what really happened.
The big problem with foreign imports is finding a prime mover that can both meet modern UK emissions regulations and also fit inside a shell for the UK loading gauge. It's possible but there might be some sacrifice in capability or ease of maintenance access or something, I don't really know what manufacturers are offering for the UK right now
What imported locos don't adhere to our Loading gauge
@@michaelmoran1964 The standard Siemens Vectron for instance appears to be about 200 mm too wide
@@michaelmoran1964none talking crap
Heart breaking to see o well thanks for showing
Quality presentation
Just speak to a driver which loco he would rather use a 66 or a 60 & every-time the Class 60 comes out on top, on oil trains the class 60 comes into its own, where you would need 2 x class 66 to do the same work. At least 1 Loco at present is being looked at to re-engine the Class 60 & upgrade it to use in the current climate.
DB have already released the first RE-geared 66 which is their plan to replace the few remaining 60s altogether. 66651 is the first of ten to be done. Supposedly being in that number range they are now basically a 66/6 equal to that of freightliners. Amusingly this still leaves them inferior to the 500kN of power a class 60 could develop, the 506kN of a 59 and the 544kN of a class 70.
652 is out there also 👍
Great video, particularly the Drone shots, thank you. I just can't believe that a company such as DB can afford to have so much motive power sitting in a yard doing nothing. Accept that some are waiting to be sold and some will be undergoing maintenance, but surely not all of them?
DBC can afford to _not_ scrap them.
Imagine they went on a massive convoy
I wish
only 5 coupled up locos together can move on the network
How sad :,(
@@rockerjim8045not so as I’ve seen a few videos on here of convoys of 6-10 class 66’s if you search….
@@rockerjim8045
Not quite true, I have seen convoys at times of 7,8, the Hope to Crewe convoy has in the past been more than 5 locos.
Not sure if it's still the case, but 60s were used for the heaviest trains in the UK, even after the introduction of the 66s. I guess EWS had it's reasons for not liking them, hence why most of them ended up rusting away at Toton.
Xenophobic yanks wanting their own garbage ... they even had US style point handles fitted everywhere.
EWS isn't called engine wasting service for nothing.
@@leonblittle226 EWS were bought at some point by the German DB cargo so EWS as a freight operator dont exist now
@@harrymcandrew1447 Actually they were bought by DB Schenker.
@@stephensmith4480 It's now Db cargo
Given that class 37s are still working, it is likely these are being put back into service due to a shortfall of new stock.
Alas not DBC that will be operating Class 60s.
What a great video! I loved the drone footage. Will have to pop over and see the reshuffled line.
I liked the music over the drone footage. Sounded like Zero 7.
I have heard a class 60 preservation society was formed resonley and looking into purchasing one off class 60 for preservation hoping they can save one
Already 2 or 3 preserved I think?
Awsome😊
Sitting around in long lines is bad enough,but now it seems they're starting to take over some parts of the Shop Complex 😜!
Great video 👍
Its either gbrf, Dcr, preserved railways or EMD conversion at longport.
I would have thought booth's of Rotherham looking at the state of some of them there are some in store at brush as well,
Every time I walk past and see that I still think it’s a shame that these are just rusting away
They look lined up ready for scrapping
Great video. Cannot understand why it has taken this long for them to be put up for sale! If DB were more pro active then they could have been put up for tender years ago and potentially put back into action by GBRF, Colas or another operator. I'm guessing that the bulk of those sold would need a lot of work doing to get them back into working condition.
Nice video great camera work as usual as always I am really enjoying your lovely videos and camera work keep your lovely camera work up I am really looking forward to seeing your next video I hope you get a nice video next time also when is your next video going to be on UA-cam bye for now Philip
I wonder why the Cl 60 was never really used that much ? And yet kept in store for so long?
As I understand it they were built by British Rail and taken on by DB. However the company found no use for them and wouldn't sell them to other operators because of the competition! It would be interesting to know if they have changed their mind on selling them to the competitors.
Hampered by unreliability and low top speed.
@@22pcirishi feel there is a sad Also ran aspect to them
@@graham76man They were taken on by DB after it was sold by EWS.
Its sad to see that each loco nearly on a daily basis would see industry and jobs. Sad times now.
I hope the moved units aren't scrapped.
Glad to see it
Great video, wonder how long before 66's join the line. Original's must be about shot, never liked them give me a 60 any day.
problem is, that a worn-out 66 is still cheaper to run then a refurbished 60....go figure!
We still have plenty of SD40-2s they were based on left in service in America. 66s probably won't be retired anytime soon
@@andrewreynolds4949 the SD40-2 has single-handedly set the standards for American railroad locomotive reliability.
@@rearspeaker6364 As a side note, I have had the unusual opportunity to look inside one that's busted a crank rod. I think the owner's still planning on (eventually) returning it to service (when they get around to that unit)
It’s criminal to see so many locomotives sitting there rotting away . That’s what you get when we don’t own any of our locomotives in this country. They are all owned buy foreign companies. They keep saying they are short of locomotives in this country. Well we aren’t. They should be re-engined with more modern fuel efficient engines and put back to work.
Would it be possible to recommission them, or will they probably go as scrap?
Been sat there too long, looks very much like they've been queued up for whisking away to the cutters.
hi why didnt the clowns cover up these locos from the start,all the more difficult to restore if at all
That's a lot of tarpaulin 🤣
Furst off all awesome video mate DB wont ger rid off the ones still in service i no there's not many they can't do with out them for the heavy oil trains in and out off Immingham 66s struggle on these workings if there full ok for empties or reduced loads i no it's a shame but i think some will go to sims at neport and some to cf booths at Rotherham
Just how many are stored there? I think I counted x33 from the drone footage…?
Amazed to see a few with nameplates still attached..!
As sad as it is to see British-built locos just rusting away, it should be recalled that Ed Burkhardt of EWS was very quick to order 66’s once he saw the poor reliability figures for all the locos they inherited with the purchase of Transrail, Mainline, etc.
All apart from the 08’s which he apparently thought were amazing..!
As others have said, I wouldn’t be too surprised if EMR or CF Booth have bought them. Simms are probably unlikely with all the electric units they are recycling
Another great video. Love the drone work, too!
Possibly Raxstar @ Eastleigh will dispose of some too 🥲
Who brought the 12 class 60’s
The coal oil and steell traffic they were built for has virtually all gone
It's a shame the jarrow tanks have been taken over by colas a dis now ran by a 70
all we can hope is that the new buyer has links to the re-engineering project up in stoke on Trent, alas the problem with the Blackstone engine in these was the class 60's downfall from what i have read they were not to bad a loco from a drivers viewpoint, but as i said that is only from reports online...
Given it's at EMD/Progress Rail Longport, my entirely speculative guess is they're looking at sticking a CAT prime mover in them
@@andrewreynolds4949 i hope so, those cat engines sound great on full power and would suit the look of the class 60, think there is enough EMD 'ying ying' powered engines on the network for now.
@@MrDavidfball I love EMD's but they don't meet emissions standards anymore unfortunately
Did you go on spec or did you know they were being moved
I've heard they are moving them in October to Simms metals Cardiff to be cut up
I’d heard they’d been moved around so knew in advance 👍
Looking at the state of those locos I wonder whether any can be brought into service? I would have thought corrosion etc. would consign them all to the scrapyard.
Look at pictures of steam locos that were rescued from Woodhams Yard and returned to steam in preservation...most were in far worse condition than anything seen in this clip...I think they can be stripped down, repaired and put back in service. If, as others have suggested, they have a greater pulling power than many more modern locos it could make perfect sense.
As long as the frames are intact, rebuilding is entirely plausible
@@Northstanderbut then the reason they stayed so long in Woodhams was the guy brought a load of them to scrap, but either he wanted to wait a long as he financially could or just lost interest on scrapping them to focus on old BR Rolling stock that was getting sent in by the ton. As a result he's gotten a bit of a legend status for saving the locomotives.
Be surprised how salvageable they are ,corrosion will only be minor ,couple of these rusty wrecks were dragged out not many years ago and were working oil trains out of Humber and LOR refinery's
@@nounoufriend1442 Depends on how well they were mothballed. If they covered over most of the openings and the windows and doors are well sealed the locos could be in rather good condition. If not, a lot of the more delicate internal components could be seized, water-damaged, eaten on by rodents, or corroded in some other fashion. That's really hard to tell from a drone flight
Why are they not being used ? Also I didn't see anything move for the first time I watched twice
At what point in the Video are they Moved?
Hi, the video description does state this..
Poor old Class 60s… they are so bloody boring though. Nothing compared to the 37 or 47. The 60s have no character
Cause they do the immense powerful drone noise of their engine with a heavy load powerful beasts
I wonder if those 12 are serviceable. The new class 69/1 or class 60/1.
Wait & see whats announced soon.
2 or more would be parts spares.
More likely class 61 or something if rebuilt
@@andrewreynolds4949 Getting warmer.
@@railfreightdrivergallagherGBRf If it does happen I think they could theoretically be called anything between class 61 to 65
Does anyone know where they store the carriages for the EWS Managers Train?
And also the carriages for the Royal Train.
The royal train is/was based inside Wolverton Works
Had EWS had brains in charge like me. When they took over from BR. I think it would have been better to have done a 10 year repurpose program and send 10 Class 60's per year to GE in the United States to rebuild them with GE parts and up them to 75mph like on the Class 70's but with the GE 7FDL16 in place of the Mirrlees units and AC traction motors and new cab controls with IFD screens in place of the gauges. From 1998 to 2007/8, that would be all 100 Class 60's converted to AC traction and better CPU's like those used on the GEVOs and the AC4400CW's. Then just order a 100 Class 66's to replace the Class 37's and Class 47's on those workings. It would be cheaper than buying new locos and had I been a freight operator. I would be in talks with GE to send a couple of Class 60's to America for them to evaluate and rebuild them from the inside.
In light of this and with what's going on with 60014. Things do look promising with the EMD repower project and I hope that it goes well and if they use AC traction motors in place of the unreliable DC motors, these would be very much similar in power to the SD70ACe's for traction motor sounds and the prime mover. I know EMD isn't for everyone but I would be happy to see an EMD ex-Class 60 on the rails rather than these being scrapped. So I favour recycled trains and I would come to England again to see these in action!
the GE fdl or evo motor may not fit under the roof of the cl.60, plus lots of mods to put AC motors in those trucks, otherwise its possible. now, can someone put a 16-710 in a Deltic!
@@rearspeaker6364 It wouldn't surprise me given what's been done with the Class 56s. But the GE 7FDL16 would fit in the Class 60 if the Blue Tiger locomotives in Malaysia are anything to go by as they are low height unlike the ones in Germany. That said, the EMD project with 60014 looks promising and I hope that it works out fine.
@@BritishRail60062 that is a lot of shoehorning on those blue tigers!! wonder if the heads rub the roof or sides.....and have to crawl through the carbody on hands and knees to reach the other end.....
Shame that those class 60s are just left to rot away.
A sad sight. Didn’t see IK Brunell
All class 60s should be given to the preserved railways around the UK instead of scrapping them
What would the preservationists do with them? These are highly complex specialist machines that required specialist engineers. Little use for passenger operations.
And clog up their generally crowded sites still there is waste about them and being such an also ran
Does anyone have a list of the locos in the two lines?
What lunacy, they're not old, by locomotive standards. A lot of money sat there, rusting.
Where is this ?
Saw an ex-works 60 at Stafford today. Why are some being used and others wasted like this? Doesn't make sense - either they are all past it and should have been scrapped or they should all be refurbished. "Storing" this many defies logic.
The privatised railways in britain doesn't use logic, reasoning or common sense!
Think most of those 60s are now beyond repair been left too long decaying away, can’t believe there’s so many what a waste of locomotives probably all working when they were last used, enough stock to start new fleet up 😮
The class 60 don't seen to have worked many years
Why scrap them they seem to have so much life left in them 😢
Sofort Ausschlachten aufm Werksgelände Material Einschmelzen und daraus wieder neues machen anstatt es 10 weitere Jahre vor sich hin gammeln zu lassen(gute Rohstoffe)
Didn’t see them moving.
Hi, the video description states that - You can see them all arranged in the new order which was the objective of the video 👍
Thats a great place to see trains where is it?im not a train buff but i would like to see a train graveyard
Some of those look beyond repair could they dtill move under there own power?👌
Do you know the numbers of the 60s that are behind 031
I guess that's a difficult question to answer 😕
Hi Mark, I didn’t make a note of them whilst I was taking the footage I’m afraid. They’ve been posted on WNXX if that is a site that you subscribe to.. 👍
seems those 12 would be going for the class69 project.......
Would be a separate project in parallel. I don't believe GBRf has any more of those spare 710 engine blocks
@@andrewreynolds4949 makes sense. 12-710's, not many in the states.
@@rearspeaker6364 As I understand it, they would make more if allowed, but the 710 blocks being used in the 69 project only got around the emissions regulations when they came in by technicality
Unbelievable that these were just left fully exposed to the elements, with zero effort at weather proofing them! Besides the cabins being exposed the wiring has probably been eaten by rats, engines seized etc. They’ll need a complete overhaul.
The engine was excellent the traction control was poor
a sad state of affairs a big part of this fleet of locos just rotting away EWS too shame on them for letting them get to this state, hope some get transformed like the class 69's ...
Won't be 69s, it would be a separate project
@@andrewreynolds4949 thats what i ment in my comment i should have said similar to the 69 project...
@@davidwalbank3317 Yes, I see what you mean. sorry
I wonder how much cash is sitting there rusting away. Shocking waste of investment.
Way too much 🥲
Was watching to see them move -🤷♂️ what happened
Hi Brian, I’ve put captions in the video and also an explanation in the description. The movements were last week - Pulling out the 12 locos sold and grouping them all together on the right hand line. Hope this helps 👍
Which ones are behind 60031 in the same line ??
Just goes t of show the horrendous decline in the British rail freight business and the decline in the overall economy
those and the 58 class just abandonded surprised they didnt just scrap them..
afraid they might burn the grass there..........
They built far too many class 60's that was need for.
Not really, issue is most of the ultra heavy trains they used to run are gone, such as the coal and oil trains, and they were replaced rather than being repurposed or rebuilt for other work. No reason these couldn't work intermodals with modifications?!
Should have sold them overseas a decade ago if they didnt want uk competitors to take them.
probably going to africa, like the ic125`s, funny how they all got refurbed first and couldnt be used here though.
I can foresee DB buying the ones they sold back seeing as they are selling the class 90’s as electric is too dear to run them.
Nah, just use class 66s. DB doesn't seem to be doing well in the UK market
@@andrewreynolds4949 DB has idiots piloting the ship. The managers get up everyone's noses, not only their staff but also their customers.
@@Mariazellerbahn a DB driver told me that DB is a terrible company, he left and got a job at Tescos, stacking shelves, other drivers transferred to GBRF
@@michaelward2082what a load of shite. Either a load of bollox or a driver that has such a bad record he couldn’t keep his job. As if you’d stack shelves instead of driving trains, ffs. Give your head a wobble ya melt. As for GBRf, not many have gone there due to the poor terms & conditions they offer, unless of course, as previously stated, you had a poor record (or needed the money for the seriously long shifts).
THAT is a lot of potentially good usable traction going to waste.
I guess some accountant with a laptop thinks this makes sense ... 🤦♂
* stored class 60 locos *
I know the French bought old 66 Sheds so it could be another European customer
Maybe Ukraine...
They are regauging the entire network to Standard to get away from Russian Gauge. I think they could do with some of these running trains in pairs as they do with their their Old Soviet M-62s and other Russia Locomotives...
Bought by North Korea.I know.
Was there any sight of 083
@@markwebster7128 ooh would love to see that photo as it’s my favourite loco as it’s my first model ever
60083 is parked in the line of class 60’s near the Bank and if you walk along it, you will be able to locate it
@@mt5144 wish I could to be honest but live down south so it would be a great effort
All this intrigue and speculation here about the fate of this class? Nobody wanted them then and it looks like Nobody wants them now?? Theres alot of scrap on those lines! And thats i bet where they are heading!
Another great video destination 👌 The location on the hill is it easily accessible? Do I need to ask permission to enter through that yard next to the bridge on route to the hill? Do other's view from the hill?