The way this shows capture america's tone/feeling in the pos 9/11 era is remarkable, and tbh the whole journey was about a civilization (if one consider Cylons as parts of human civilization), trying to renew it self, something that for me, as an outside, still echos to this day.
@@TommygunNG Dude the US had been fucking in the region for a while, it's totally understandable why people were pissed. It was "justified"? No, but do I kinda see why a bunch of pissed off people did it, yeah.
@@TommygunNGpointing out the fact that the US government used 9/11 to move towards totalitarianism isn’t justifying the original cause: it’s lamenting something that happened after the fact
They weren’t trying to capture that, it took clear inspiration from occupied Poland during WW2, where a police force consisting of Jews was set up by the Germans in the Jewish ghettos. They were opportunists and thugs who everyone else in the ghetto hated. The parallels of an occupation by a group who are actively trying to commit genocide on the other is quite obvious.
@@drgonzo305 look I love the feel and setting of the show. It's the writing and direction I had a problem with. I'll forgive boomer gender/race swap because grace park is my wifu for lifu but Starbuck was a terrible actress and the writing sent her.......... Weird. Tigh was a mixed bag. Should have never been a cylon. Tyrol makes sense but should have been acknowledged when baltar scanned him with the nuke. I guess what I'm saying is. I love the ship. The physics. Grace park and flak wall. The rest can shove it
It was done to raise awareness about conflict and the morality of conflict on both sides in general. Perfect talking points about what was happening in the world then. Inspired by wars and occupation throughout history. Also perfect set up for the Cylon/Human/Earth storyline towards the end of S3 and 4. What it did was ask questions and raise discussion much like The Wire and Homeland did.
I wish NBC/Peacock would also use clips from the webseries "Face Of The Enemy" or "Occupation". I know there's a whole rigmarole concerning union pay rates in the USA regarding FOTE, but that could be ironed out if Universal really wanted to do so.
People talk about how this was controversial being just three years after 9/11, but I think it really makes you think. I can't condone it but you have to admit it's effective. You might even cheer for the bomber in this scene because we, as Humans, identify with the Humans in BSG and their perspective. The Cylons are the enemy, they invaded and are now an occupying force. Fact is if you find this suicide bombing acceptable, you must also find it acceptable when terrorists did it to coalition forces in the ME. From their perspective we were the enemy. We invaded and became an occupying force.
Why kill Baltar? The Baltar Administration held the Cylon rule together. The general population had apparently been rather well armed, yet put up with his corruption for the year following his election. The reason is that the Colonials lacked subordinate governments of sufficient authorty/sovereignty of their own to organize a fundamental resistance. (Read Federalist 46 for a discussion of the interplay between a populace with their own private arms and local--that is, State--governments in resisting an overbearing central authority.) Power and legitimacy all met with Baltar. But if Baltar were killed, the entire Colonial political structure would be shattered, and the psychological bond holding people to submission would be gone. A perfect time for the Fleet to return and rescue the people.
That was the point the writers and producers had. Keep in mind the time: Not long after 9/11, with Western Coalition troops over there, and civilians over here, were facing suicide attacks from an evil enemy. In keeping with their agenda of convoluting the issue of who are the good guys and who are the bad guys, they put the good guys here up to using tricks of the bad guys. "See? Those Islamic terrorists aren't so bad in launching suicide attacks." Of course, both the cause and targeting are vastly different, but propaganda doesn't have to be perfect to be effective.
Effective in killing innocents and making pinprick attacks that have very little strategic or tactical value except on TV or in the movies. It's not not much the ethics but the actual military/political value. A destructive, not constructive, remedy which is it rarely used by civilized people, not because it is wrong, but because it is usually pointless.
Although the resistance couldn't know it, Baltar was an agent of Not-God, and as such would either come back (like Starbuck) after "death" or would avoid it in the first place, as he did in this clip and several other times in the series.
The Baltar Administration held the Cylon rule together. The general population had apparently been rather well armed, yet put up with his corruption for the year following his election. The reason is that the Colonials lacked subordinate governments of sufficient authorty/sovereignty of their own to organize a fundamental resistance. (Read Federalist 46 for a discussion of the interplay between a populace with their own private arms and local--that is, State--governments in resisting an overbearing central authority.) Power and legitimacy all met with Baltar. But if Baltar were killed, the entire Colonial political structure would be shattered, and the psychological bond holding people to submission would be gone. A perfect time for the Fleet to return and rescue the people.
Not true. Remember what Cavil said, the attack on the colonies was a mistake. The Cylons didn't want to repeat it, for their own religious reasons, and to find a new way to reproduce.
@@TheMaggiesdaddy Cavil´very much didnt see it as a mistake, but he had to play along with what the other cylons wanted. Cavil after all was the only one that actually fully knew what was going on the entire time and was the one actually running everything in the background.
The God thing pretty much put BG out in space for me. But I enjoyed the series nonetheless as it has good casting and a fun, if non-sensical story of human perseverance. We are truly a virus.
RIP Duck, hope you, Nora, Starbuck and Kat are having one hell of a game of cards somewhere in eternity.
Somehow, I think it's noticeable here that Baltar knew Gaeta was an informant.
Did he? Even if he did I think the guilt that Baltar has was like do what you want just dont try to kill me. lol
Bear McCreary’s musical direction is superb
The way this shows capture america's tone/feeling in the pos 9/11 era is remarkable, and tbh the whole journey was about a civilization (if one consider Cylons as parts of human civilization), trying to renew it self, something that for me, as an outside, still echos to this day.
Nice way to justify the people who did something on 9/11.
@@TommygunNG Dude the US had been fucking in the region for a while, it's totally understandable why people were pissed. It was "justified"? No, but do I kinda see why a bunch of pissed off people did it, yeah.
@@joaovitorreisdasilva9573 They did it because they want to force their religion on us. That's it.
Kinda like the Cylons, actually. Hmm.
@@TommygunNGpointing out the fact that the US government used 9/11 to move towards totalitarianism isn’t justifying the original cause: it’s lamenting something that happened after the fact
They weren’t trying to capture that, it took clear inspiration from occupied Poland during WW2, where a police force consisting of Jews was set up by the Germans in the Jewish ghettos. They were opportunists and thugs who everyone else in the ghetto hated.
The parallels of an occupation by a group who are actively trying to commit genocide on the other is quite obvious.
That poor dog, whenever he went in for a lick of water, some mother-fracker...
Mother fracker? **cackles madly**
That poor dog, someone is always kicking over his drinking dish with fresh clean water.
This whole new caprica arc is where this show took television to a new level culminating in the battle of new caprica it upped the standards
New caprica should have been it's own season
@ It was perfect, it would’ve dragged on over a whole Battlestar 20 episode season. Your lucky to get a 8 episode season nowadays
@@drgonzo305 look I love the feel and setting of the show. It's the writing and direction I had a problem with. I'll forgive boomer gender/race swap because grace park is my wifu for lifu but Starbuck was a terrible actress and the writing sent her.......... Weird. Tigh was a mixed bag. Should have never been a cylon. Tyrol makes sense but should have been acknowledged when baltar scanned him with the nuke. I guess what I'm saying is. I love the ship. The physics. Grace park and flak wall. The rest can shove it
This was really risky to put in a show so soon after 9/11
This was a daily occurance in Iraq, where we were knee-deep when this came out. It was super gutsy
Right. Also With what was going on in Iraq and Afghanistan
@@SVSky Agreed
@@Autobotmatt428 yea like yesterday Baghdad got hit. The show putting this in by 2005,6...a bit risky but it’s memorable
It was done to raise awareness about conflict and the morality of conflict on both sides in general. Perfect talking points about what was happening in the world then. Inspired by wars and occupation throughout history. Also perfect set up for the Cylon/Human/Earth storyline towards the end of S3 and 4. What it did was ask questions and raise discussion much like The Wire and Homeland did.
Probably season 3 is the best, quoting also what Jamie Bamer said in a Syfy podcast. I think it's really brilliant.
I dont think the same way, after episode 5 they spent lot of time with fillers. At least some of them were thought provoking.
But the first 3 episodes of season 3 are fucking S tier
Less security than at the nightclub I go to.
I don’t remember any of this, now would be a great time to rewatch the whole show.
what if the dog flipped over his own bowl?
maybe he had something to say
@@Tap-a-roo what is it lassie?!?!
They'd check the dead drop, find nothing, and assume the dog had flipped over it's own bowl.
I wish NBC/Peacock would also use clips from the webseries "Face Of The Enemy" or "Occupation". I know there's a whole rigmarole concerning union pay rates in the USA regarding FOTE, but that could be ironed out if Universal really wanted to do so.
Geata runnnn lol
People talk about how this was controversial being just three years after 9/11, but I think it really makes you think. I can't condone it but you have to admit it's effective. You might even cheer for the bomber in this scene because we, as Humans, identify with the Humans in BSG and their perspective. The Cylons are the enemy, they invaded and are now an occupying force. Fact is if you find this suicide bombing acceptable, you must also find it acceptable when terrorists did it to coalition forces in the ME. From their perspective we were the enemy. We invaded and became an occupying force.
Horrifying. Gaeta doesn't even say good morning back to six.
She DID sort of wipe out the human race. Like, personally.
I will say it, “danger Will Robinson”
Why kill Baltar?
The Baltar Administration held the Cylon rule together. The general population had apparently been rather well armed, yet put up with his corruption for the year following his election. The reason is that the Colonials lacked subordinate governments of sufficient authorty/sovereignty of their own to organize a fundamental resistance. (Read Federalist 46 for a discussion of the interplay between a populace with their own private arms and local--that is, State--governments in resisting an overbearing central authority.) Power and legitimacy all met with Baltar. But if Baltar were killed, the entire Colonial political structure would be shattered, and the psychological bond holding people to submission would be gone. A perfect time for the Fleet to return and rescue the people.
Say what you will about the ethics of using oneself as a weapon, it is undeniably effective.
Yeah. What are you gonna do, threaten them with death? Nothing more dangerous than someone who has nothing to lose.
That was the point the writers and producers had. Keep in mind the time: Not long after 9/11, with Western Coalition troops over there, and civilians over here, were facing suicide attacks from an evil enemy. In keeping with their agenda of convoluting the issue of who are the good guys and who are the bad guys, they put the good guys here up to using tricks of the bad guys. "See? Those Islamic terrorists aren't so bad in launching suicide attacks." Of course, both the cause and targeting are vastly different, but propaganda doesn't have to be perfect to be effective.
Effective in killing innocents and making pinprick attacks that have very little strategic or tactical value except on TV or in the movies. It's not not much the ethics but the actual military/political value. A destructive, not constructive, remedy which is it rarely used by civilized people, not because it is wrong, but because it is usually pointless.
Clear Deterrent Signalling is key.
fav scene of bsg
This reminds me too much of Japanese occupation of Korea, which they are doing absolute best not to acknowledge or teach to their kids.
Isn't it stupid to kill Gaius? Am i missing something? What is gained from that?
Yes it is. Nothing gained from it except more dead and imprisoned humans, but it is revenge motivated.
It creates chaos, distracts the Cylons so that maybe they don't have as effective a response immediately once Galactica/Pegasus attack.
Gaius is the legitimate president of the colonies thus lending legitimacy to the cylon occupation.
Although the resistance couldn't know it, Baltar was an agent of Not-God, and as such would either come back (like Starbuck) after "death" or would avoid it in the first place, as he did in this clip and several other times in the series.
The Baltar Administration held the Cylon rule together. The general population had apparently been rather well armed, yet put up with his corruption for the year following his election. The reason is that the Colonials lacked subordinate governments of sufficient authorty/sovereignty of their own to organize a fundamental resistance. (Read Federalist 46 for a discussion of the interplay between a populace with their own private arms and local--that is, State--governments in resisting an overbearing central authority.) Power and legitimacy all met with Baltar. But if Baltar were killed, the entire Colonial political structure would be shattered, and the psychological bond holding people to submission would be gone. A perfect time for the Fleet to return and rescue the people.
why didn't Megabyte just teleport out of there before he blew up?
that's not how cylon technology works aka this isn't star trek
lol
@@QuizmasterLaw it wasn't a Star Trek reference lol
@@QuizmasterLaw do a little research you'll find the reference lol
Zeebo ptsd kickin in
@@Quincy111 that's not the reference lol, reread my original comment and hopefully you or someone else will figure it out
No reason for the Cylons not to kill everyone
Not true. Remember what Cavil said, the attack on the colonies was a mistake. The Cylons didn't want to repeat it, for their own religious reasons, and to find a new way to reproduce.
@@TheMaggiesdaddy Although Cavil was in the minority in that he thought the attacks fully infinitely justified.
@@TheMaggiesdaddy Cavil´very much didnt see it as a mistake, but he had to play along with what the other cylons wanted. Cavil after all was the only one that actually fully knew what was going on the entire time and was the one actually running everything in the background.
The God thing pretty much put BG out in space for me. But I enjoyed the series nonetheless as it has good casting and a fun, if non-sensical story of human perseverance. We are truly a virus.