Claudia is 100% right. You don’t have the right to withhold that type of information from someone… Period. I have a right not to be involve myself with you IF I don’t want to. Doesn’t mean I hate you, you’re just not what I personally want in life. It’s not up to you to try and manipulate me and change my mind. And whoever is for you, is for you it comes naturally with no force.
That’s so unfair. What if that person is seen out with a trans woman and it gets out and they had no idea that person was trans? Totally selfish. One cute date can have you losing your life
When folks hide things and wait until "they're ready" to tell the truth, you know it's dishonest and just wrong. Trans folks need to just date from their community, stop trying to force the whole world to accept their lifestyle! Makes no sense.
@@Tia-to2qc why date someone beginning a lie or why don't u just date people who are apart of that community, then y'all can be weird and confused together
The trans community wants to be respected for who they are and for who they choose to be so they should RESPECT OTHERS AND GIVE THEM A CHOICE UPFRONT. Treat people how you want to be treated.
I remember back then when they were dating. Everyone could see it and Al was denying it at the time so I do not believe he told Starr at all. Should she have known, yes? But I don't believe he told her that. Once it came out, the divorce happened shortly after. So he's not being exactly truthful here.
And lets me real.... Al claims he's bi but he clearly hasnt' been ina serious relationship with a woman since Star. Not saying he isn't but... how is he 50 and still single?!
I too remember Al denying his attraction to men. Take a really good look at his body language when Lunell asks him. Also, Lunell’s body language says, “Al, you’re full of shit, but I ain’t gonna argue with you about it”.
@@Tia-to2qcyou’re presenting yourself as someone you are not. Those other things you mentioned are just important. But first who am I talking to, what is the intention of me being out with this person? All these things need to be considered. Building with someone that’s not the sex you thought is deceptive.
@@Awillii It's just not that deep to me. 80% of first dates don't even go beyond that. 90% likely don't get past the dating phase. Overwhelmingly dates these days are just about hooking up anyway, so if that's the route you're going down it obviously has to be revealed at some point. How about just letting people navigate their path however they see fit?
That's how they act when they don't want to hear the truth she was the only one up there speaking straight facts that s*** that should be revealed way before that date happens
@@nnekam6153because it is. You have the right to know if you’re dealing with a man or a woman. Those other things are just important. What is your intention of dating this person to begin with? Start there. Don’t be so simple minded.
Claudia was SO ON POINT with this! If you know they MAY have an issue or safety issue that may come into place, just be up front with before the date! Why withhold!
@jorgerodriguez, Yes, exactly! Be upfront first, then let the person make a decision. People are so unstable nowadays, so it is dangerous not to be honest!
Dont say you're proud of who you are, but intentionally hide who you are. If being honest means being rejected than that's what it is...fooling a person wont make them want you.
Claudia is right. There is no need to waste time. If they are ok dating trans on date 2, why not tell them up front. If they are not ok with it, that won't change with 2-3 dates.
In this climate people need to be upfront before the date. Let them know. That way no one is shocked or surprised. I agree with Claudia on this one! Deception gets people hurt!
I’m COMPLETELY with Claudia on this topic. 100%. THIS IS A VERY SENSITIVE ISSUE OF LIFE OR DEATH! Even a majority of “straight” downlow men become violent towards their victims after KNOWINGLY engaging in sex with gay men/trans women. Let alone TRICKING truly straight men into dating trans women. Rest in peace.
@@BirdLadySpeaks question is when exactly did he disclose his gayness? From the very first date before they got intimately involved OR after she fell for him and was strongly moving towards marriage?
@@lisasprovidence4572 true. He has said she knew before they got married. I’ve never seen her side of the story. Not saying it isn’t out there. I just haven’t seen it and I’m not concerned or invested enough to seek it out. Lol!!!! 😁😁😁😁💛💛💛💛
I most definitely think it should be discussed before any date because this is a dangerous world we are living in and they can get angry that you didn’t tell them and attack you. Please tell them when you have a phone conversation before y’all go on a date for your safety
I would strongly suggest you share that info before your date. Often time a 1st date ends with a kiss. That’s where it gets dangerous, to tell a man afterwards, he just kissed another man.
Their opinion is bias bc they are part of the community. While Claudia is speaking for the majority of those who won’t partake in that lifestyle. Tell me BEFoRE I decide to date you!!!!!! Let the person decide if they want to continue and GO On the date!
@@Praise-Him2 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Chile The Shade Room done posted it. I haven't been that gagged in a long time!! If Al doesn't come to work tomorrow, I don't play him. lol
Nah...you have to tell the truth and not lead in with a veil. Tell the person on the phone if you aren't sure about their reaction, then give them the chance to decide if they want to go forward with a date, the end.
That’s not fair to people who are dating to get married and have kids. Y’all love putting yourselves in these situations and cry victim when something happens to you for not being honest
I agree with Claudia 100%. If a person is secure in who they are, why wouldn’t you have it known out in the open. I’m sure there are conversations before the date. The violence comes in when someone feels like they have been tricked or mislead. I know this is not the same, but I was open with my husband about my fertility issues before our first date. We talked on the phone before going on a date. I wanted him to know BEFORE he began to get too into me. It’s only fair. I wanted him to know before we went any further. This is just my opinion. 🤷🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️💛💛💛💛
Why would you not tell, you wanna trick and deceive the person, then get beat up for being a liar! Catfishing! Like when folks think you're gonna love their personality 1st, nope doesn't work like that.
That violence happens even when a Biological Woman is mistaken for being Transgender and lives have been taken and a date wasn’t involved they were in a Bodaga and the Middle Eastern man thought she was transgender and beat her to death for being in the store. That is what happens and it happens to Trans People of Color and Women of Color more than you think
My thing is who are trans people’s primary interest of dating that they feel they have to hide their identity? Choose people like their self and from their community, wouldn’t it be more safe..? I’m confused
Honestly, Claudia response was similar to Al's, which is that a trans person should disclose their identity up front. I dont understand why they got angry with each other. Its clear that personal issues have broiled over into the show. I believe Al didnt like Claudia's answer, because she is a woman who believes a trans woman is a different thing, because it is, and Al wants all woman, natural and trans, to be in the same category, which is not realistic. Men want to date women with hopes of starting a natural family. A trans woman can never replace a woman, and to try to argue it, makes Al look like a clown. Sorry Armon, I dont agree that a trans woman should wait to identify herself. If a man is interested in trans, they will seek out trans. Everything else is a man disguised as a woman, hoping to trick men, for lust. Period!
This is EXACTLY why ppl get hurt ... badly. How dare a person take the right of choice from another individual. Trans ppl seem to think that they can bypass the rights of women and straight men for their personal feelings. Men have a RIGHT. Let me repeat, a RIGHT to choose who they date. The absolute audacity of this even being a question ...
As a Trans woman, I don't agree with that , I'll let them know before anything , that's just me, I value my safety, people out here is crazy asf, also I love me, you except me for me or you don't regardless I still love me and besides I don't get no complaints 90% of the time lol
Withholding information that relates to gender, height, race, or any other omission is a LIE. Also, why would you want to date someone that could potentially not want to be with you anyway. Smells desperate.
If you’re going to reveal it on the second date, why prolong it and not just admit it on the first date?! Don’t play with your life or other ppl’s lives either. Way too risky.
It’s NOT ok to assume that a person will accept something that’s so closely tied to sex, sexuality, attraction, and love! Idc if it’s the 1st date!! What if it goes against the person’s religion or moral code they’ve set for their life? Same ones asking for respect and consideration of feelings aren’t giving it. It’s so weird.
Being trans doesn't give you the right to lie and decieve people. You cant throw stones at glass houses and hide your hands. Be responsible for yourself to protect yourself
Why would anyone think it’s okay to withhold that they’re transgender when dating? That definitely needs to be revealed before a date. I don’t care how attractive you are. It’s a lie by omission.
If you want to live and be safe it’s much better to tell someone the truth about your Gender. Either you were born a man or woman. Idgaf if you had gender surgery. Let the person know so they can choose if they want to date you. Do not play Russian roulette with your life. 🙏
Before you even go on a date be up front and honest! Don’t take my choices away! There are enough people that are okay with it to pull people in that are not. That’s how people get hurt.
You need to disclose on the phone prior to the first date and allow them to make a decision. There are people who have religious convictions and you should respect that AND for your safety. I agree with Claudia!
Not disclosing sensitive information that may impact a person's decision is conniving and cunning with the intent to manipulate. This is a serious character flaw that will come back and bite you in the behind. Run from people who behave like this.
Why is there a dilemma with this issue!!! I would like to know who you really are from the beginning, in the while we're talking and getting to know each other phase. Lay your cards on the table and allow the other person to CHOOSE for themselves! The problem is people want to take other people's FREE WILL away and choose for them or manipulate the person into choosing them. Let me make the choice on whether I want to go forward with you based on the truth. At least if you do it in the beginning there is no love loss! Building a relationship is based on trust! Omission is a lie, it's deceitful and there's no way you can build a relationship built on deception and a lie.
But are you willing to do the same ? Do you feel like you don’t need to lay all of your skeletons out there on the FIRST date simply because it doesn’t involve you being trans ?
@@Rebel-ct2pq yall always draw the line at lgbtq stuff. That’s awfully convenient how you feel you can’t compare the two but you’re using the logic that lying to someone all around is wrong. What if you’re more promiscuous then the person ur dating would prefer , which a man is going to care about so don’t kid yourself. You gonna lay out your entire body count on ur first date just to make sure they’re ok with you ? I know you ain’t. There’s a lot that people aren’t willing to do on the first date so miss me with the self righteousness
@@cushe83 so being upfront about one’s Identity as a transexual person is considered laying out skeletons? This just further proves that trans people are not comfortable in who they chose to become and that’s not society’s issue..a man is a man, a woman is a woman.. your trans identity being a secret to you is a personal problem.. own it out loud or safely date within the trans community.. I mean is it rocket science
@@cushe83 This isn't about being self righteous. Me personally, I'm in my 30's and my body count is 2. With that said, only weak incels ask about body count and any other red pill talking points on first dates. I don't entertain or acknowledge them. I stand by what I said. If a member of the lgbtq community wants to date an hetero, then that needs to be disclosed upfront. They don't because they know there is a strong possibility that the hetero do not date or entertain the idea of dating a member of the lgbtq community which is deceitful. Like really, does it even make sense to be a member of the lgbtq community and purposefully deceiving heteros to be with you? lgbtq should be dating lgbtq just like heteros wants to date heteros. Like why is this a debate? No one wants to be a member of a community they don't identify with or belong and that is ok. People should be free to be with who they want and not be manipulated into being with someone they don't want to.
As a trans individual, I always disclose my gender identity before meeting someone. I believe it's only fair for them to know upfront, rather than keeping it a secret. I want to be treated with honesty and openness, not hidden away.
Devils adovocate here let's not act like for 3 years Claudia's opinion on trans issues were consistently interrupted. Before she could even get her thought out here Al and the other co-host Straight cut her off. Saying she was transphobic. Or flipping the conversation to fit their narrative. And laughed like in this clipp if she try to defend yourself. That is truly why she is so defensive is it right to show that NO.. Could she be triggered YES. I'm not in this lady's head. However But let's not act like we don't understand why she is so defensive. Go back and look at the past three seasons before this. Claudia couldn't even get a thought and here they go.
Wait. The hate would be different? I am confused. If a man thinks he is approaching a biological woman in all sense of the word, Why not tell him you are other than. A heterosexual man wants a heterosexual WOMAN! Period. I don’t😢 understand the confusion🤷🏾♀️
I don't believe not disclosing is about safety. I have seen too many cases where the transgender person does not disclose until the relationship becomes intimate, and the response is violent. A person should disclose they are transgender BEFORE the date. Nowadays, there are people that don't identify as LGBTQ and are open to dating regardless of letter.
You can click with someone, have a lot on common, get each other on a level you dont have with others. That doesnt mean we have to date. We can be good friends. I feel like you should be told something as big as this before the first date and let the person decide.
They have to be careful because some not all heterosexual men don’t care if they have had the surgery or not if you link any of the LGBTQ letters to them they respond in violence. That’s because they feel shameful that in their words “Found A Man Attractive”. Yes that information needs to be given so the other person can make their own decision on dating but people’s lives are literally at risk.
Let's stop pussy footing around sensetive feelings. This situation is about safety. If you're proud to be transgender, tell the person up front. If they're not interested, they are not for you. Why would you wait 2 dates when the person is "feeling" you to say something? You don't know that person. You don't know how they'll respond. SMH. Remember the transgender woman on Jenny Jones? She took her crush on to tell him how she felt. He killed her. All she did was tell him she liked him. Come on!
the Jenny Jones situation was not transgender. That was a gay man. I remember the story. Dude flipped out and unalived because Jenny Jones and her staff were not honest. There was a woman, who was the man's best friends , who was there on stage, and that guy thought it was HER (she was a big lady), who was going to come out and say she had "the crush" on him. REMEMBER when dud e SAID "YOU LIED". good move on your part to bring up the JENNY JONES episode. From then on JennyJones only did makeovers. She learned that lesson.
Before you even go on the date...be honest.
@shinshin, Yes, exactly! There are too many stories of bad outcomes when this is not disclosed up front. Otherwise, it is lying by omissions!
I AGREE
Yes please be honest
No one goes into 'a date' laying all their cards on the table, this standard applies to nobody else.
@@Tia-to2qci mean because this is a a situation to let someone choose of they want to participate
Claudia is 100% right. You don’t have the right to withhold that type of information from someone… Period. I have a right not to be involve myself with you IF I don’t want to. Doesn’t mean I hate you, you’re just not what I personally want in life. It’s not up to you to try and manipulate me and change my mind. And whoever is for you, is for you it comes naturally with no force.
THIS.
PERIOD ‼️‼️
Exactly
Well Said!!! 👍🏾
Well stated
I'm team Claudia on this one! POINT BLANK
That’s so unfair. What if that person is seen out with a trans woman and it gets out and they had no idea that person was trans? Totally selfish. One cute date can have you losing your life
When folks hide things and wait until "they're ready" to tell the truth, you know it's dishonest and just wrong. Trans folks need to just date from their community, stop trying to force the whole world to accept their lifestyle! Makes no sense.
I agree just like men marrying women knowing they are gay!
And I think it says a lot about how you feel about yourself too🤔
She's under no obligation to reveal anything if not even sure she's interested in pursuing a relationship. It's just a date.
@@Tia-to2qc why date someone beginning a lie or why don't u just date people who are apart of that community, then y'all can be weird and confused together
@@violetseeiso8025 ummm okay 🙄
Disclose before the date. Don't waste people's time on nonsense.
Y'all know who would be okay with it and who wouldn't.
STOP IT!
im trans and sometimes im shocked who's okay with it... some guys will let it slide if you're pretty enough... regardless I tell them immediately.
The trans community wants to be respected for who they are and for who they choose to be so they should RESPECT OTHERS AND GIVE THEM A CHOICE UPFRONT. Treat people how you want to be treated.
Exactly
Oh hell no, tell me up front and let me make the decision.
Yes, Hakeem! And I’ve always liked that name. 💥🔥🎉✨🙏🏼
“So Starr knew she was marrying a gay man?”
Lunell is diabolical. 😂😂
I remember back then when they were dating. Everyone could see it and Al was denying it at the time so I do not believe he told Starr at all. Should she have known, yes? But I don't believe he told her that. Once it came out, the divorce happened shortly after. So he's not being exactly truthful here.
@@stephaniejames4940he’s bi…..
And lets me real.... Al claims he's bi but he clearly hasnt' been ina serious relationship with a woman since Star. Not saying he isn't but... how is he 50 and still single?!
I too remember Al denying his attraction to men. Take a really good look at his body language when Lunell asks him. Also, Lunell’s body language says, “Al, you’re full of shit, but I ain’t gonna argue with you about it”.
@@CapricornSunAndMoon you that concerned huh? Weird
Sometimes telling the truth will get you flack. Claudia stood her ground, and she wasn't wrong.
Tell me BEFORE the first day. Safety purposes. Not fair to the person you are dating.
That should apply to marital status, STDs, how many BMs, etc. Nobody else does that on a first date.
@@Tia-to2qcyou sound ludicrous WERE TALKING about someone’s GENDER which can’t be denied not changed! Dont NO heterosexual male want another damn MAN
@Tia-to2qc you're right, but the level of physical danger associated with this topic makes it more critical to declare before any date.
@@Tia-to2qcyou’re presenting yourself as someone you are not. Those other things you mentioned are just important. But first who am I talking to, what is the intention of me being out with this person? All these things need to be considered. Building with someone that’s not the sex you thought is deceptive.
@@Awillii It's just not that deep to me. 80% of first dates don't even go beyond that. 90% likely don't get past the dating phase. Overwhelmingly dates these days are just about hooking up anyway, so if that's the route you're going down it obviously has to be revealed at some point. How about just letting people navigate their path however they see fit?
All three of them needs to be quiet it’s not a tricky question. Let Claudia speak she is 100 percent right
It's tricky, but yourself in that other person shows. You know they would want to know up front. Truth takes all the trick and games out of it.
That's how they act when they don't want to hear the truth she was the only one up there speaking straight facts that s*** that should be revealed way before that date happens
Before the first date. Be safe.
I totally agree with Claudia
It’s like you start dating someone who doesn’t tell you he or she is married from the get go ; why should it be different?
@@nnekam6153because it is. You have the right to know if you’re dealing with a man or a woman. Those other things are just important. What is your intention of dating this person to begin with? Start there. Don’t be so simple minded.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
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Claudia was SO ON POINT with this!
If you know they MAY have an issue or safety issue that may come into place, just be up front with before the date! Why withhold!
Exactly. Don't involve ppl in the dangers that exists being who you are, without telling them. They're being naive.
I agree 100% with Claudia !!!
@jorgerodriguez, Yes, exactly! Be upfront first, then let the person make a decision. People are so unstable nowadays, so it is dangerous not to be honest!
I agree with Claudia! She kept it 💯
Dont say you're proud of who you are, but intentionally hide who you are. If being honest means being rejected than that's what it is...fooling a person wont make them want you.
THIS‼️‼️
Thank you Claudia! Al and Lunell just don’t want to be cancelled. Al is acting disingenuous. Armon just wants men to be gay.
Omg yeessss armon wants all the men to be gay cuz us women are the worse in his eyes, everything men do wrong to us is somehow our fault lol
@@Beautiful_kish I think they just replaced one woman-hating gay guy with another.
They're fake!
If you are using a dating app that should 100 percent be listed on your profile!
They lie and also they ignore notices that some make on their profiles about not wanting to date trans ppl, That's just wrong from jump...
@@Be_Kind_Rewind most times it is
You should always let a person know, for your safety and sanity. Dont be dis honest, its not worth being hurt, or worse.
There is nothing to be gained by being deceptive. Starting off a relationship with lies is a red flag.
Considering the times we're living in not being upfront is like playing Russian roulette. Let them know before going out in public.
Claudia is right. There is no need to waste time. If they are ok dating trans on date 2, why not tell them up front. If they are not ok with it, that won't change with 2-3 dates.
Most definitely
Yes!!!!! I agree with Claudia 1000% !!!
Al always tryna argue if claudia dont say what he likes
Lay off the wine al 😅
CLAUDIA IS 💯right, she’s keeping it real ❤❤❤❤ and she doesn’t care what YALL think, most men will hurt someone if you play games
In this climate people need to be upfront before the date. Let them know. That way no one is shocked or surprised. I agree with Claudia on this one! Deception gets people hurt!
I’m COMPLETELY with Claudia on this topic. 100%. THIS IS A VERY SENSITIVE ISSUE OF LIFE OR DEATH! Even a majority of “straight” downlow men become violent towards their victims after KNOWINGLY engaging in sex with gay men/trans women. Let alone TRICKING truly straight men into dating trans women. Rest in peace.
THANK YOU CLAUDIA... YOUR RESPONSE REMINDED ME WHY I ENJOY YOUR COMMENTARY & VIEWPOINT 👏🏽👏🏽❤❤
"DOES STAR KNOW SHE MARRIED A GAY MAN" 😆 😆 😆 😆
I died 😂
I fell out. He straight up lied too. Allegedly…. Lol!!!! 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️💛💛💛💛
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@@BirdLadySpeaks question is when exactly did he disclose his gayness? From the very first date before they got intimately involved OR after she fell for him and was strongly moving towards marriage?
@@lisasprovidence4572 true. He has said she knew before they got married. I’ve never seen her side of the story. Not saying it isn’t out there. I just haven’t seen it and I’m not concerned or invested enough to seek it out. Lol!!!! 😁😁😁😁💛💛💛💛
I most definitely think it should be discussed before any date because this is a dangerous world we are living in and they can get angry that you didn’t tell them and attack you. Please tell them when you have a phone conversation before y’all go on a date for your safety
That info need to be divulged BEFORE the first date. Please dont play like that.
I would strongly suggest you share that info before your date.
Often time a 1st date ends with a kiss.
That’s where it gets dangerous, to tell a man afterwards, he just kissed another man.
Armon laughing while Lunell asked Al that question is hilarious.
Yessss🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lunelle 😂🤣😂 Al wasn’t ready 🤦🏾♀️
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"OH my goodness" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 please come revive me because I'm coding!
@@poppymashamaite566 She literally took the thought out of my head 😂 Idk how Al didn’t see that question coming 🤔
Their opinion is bias bc they are part of the community. While Claudia is speaking for the majority of those who won’t partake in that lifestyle.
Tell me BEFoRE I decide to date you!!!!!! Let the person decide if they want to continue and GO On the date!
@@Mandy0403mcd I agree with you but I cant b fooled shit b too obvious
Its selfish! One should know before the date give the person the choice!!!
I did not expect that turn at the end!! Lunnelll!! 😂😂😂😂 Gathered that tea up real fast!!
She snatchED those tea bags DEEP DOWN FROM THE AISLE 9 grocery store chilleee!!!!!!! 😭😭😭😭
@@Praise-Him2 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Chile The Shade Room done posted it. I haven't been that gagged in a long time!! If Al doesn't come to work tomorrow, I don't play him. lol
@@nicolehernandez11 🤣😁🤣😁🤣😁🤣🍿🍿🍿
Nah...you have to tell the truth and not lead in with a veil. Tell the person on the phone if you aren't sure about their reaction, then give them the chance to decide if they want to go forward with a date, the end.
That’s not fair to people who are dating to get married and have kids. Y’all love putting yourselves in these situations and cry victim when something happens to you for not being honest
Damn...Luenell went there with Al.😂😂😂😂😂
Yes she did! 👀☕😂
She went THERE!! 🤣🤣
Luenell stood on business and Claudia ended the show. LOL 😆
All the way!
Like they really be ending the segment when it be just getting good😂... I was like😮🫢🤭
That topic got steamy, didn't it? When it was brought up, I was like, "Here we go again."
I agree wholeheartedly with Claudia.
If you want to be respected for who you are, then why NOT tell them WHO YOU ARE!! 🤔
The fact that this is even a debate shows how far society has fell 🤦🏽♀️😭 Team Claudia period. Tell them before you exchange phone numbers 😭!
No, no, no, you don't VIOLATE another person's rights like that. You let people know in the door!
I agree with Claudia 100%. If a person is secure in who they are, why wouldn’t you have it known out in the open. I’m sure there are conversations before the date. The violence comes in when someone feels like they have been tricked or mislead.
I know this is not the same, but I was open with my husband about my fertility issues before our first date. We talked on the phone before going on a date. I wanted him to know BEFORE he began to get too into me. It’s only fair. I wanted him to know before we went any further.
This is just my opinion. 🤷🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️💛💛💛💛
I let my exes know about my fertility issues upfront as well.
Be honest from jump! Smh Thanks Claudia for keeping it real!
Why would you not tell, you wanna trick and deceive the person, then get beat up for being a liar! Catfishing! Like when folks think you're gonna love their personality 1st, nope doesn't work like that.
That violence happens even when a Biological Woman is mistaken for being Transgender and lives have been taken and a date wasn’t involved they were in a Bodaga and the Middle Eastern man thought she was transgender and beat her to death for being in the store. That is what happens and it happens to Trans People of Color and Women of Color more than you think
My thing is who are trans people’s primary interest of dating that they feel they have to hide their identity? Choose people like their self and from their community, wouldn’t it be more safe..? I’m confused
They want a straight man or woman that’s why.
@@UnpopularAdvisor exactly totally agree 🤷🏾♀️
I agree with Claudia! It’s dangerous to keep it a secret.
Before meeting with someone !!!!
I'm with you, Claudia
Honesty first
Honestly, Claudia response was similar to Al's, which is that a trans person should disclose their identity up front. I dont understand why they got angry with each other. Its clear that personal issues have broiled over into the show. I believe Al didnt like Claudia's answer, because she is a woman who believes a trans woman is a different thing, because it is, and Al wants all woman, natural and trans, to be in the same category, which is not realistic. Men want to date women with hopes of starting a natural family. A trans woman can never replace a woman, and to try to argue it, makes Al look like a clown. Sorry Armon, I dont agree that a trans woman should wait to identify herself. If a man is interested in trans, they will seek out trans. Everything else is a man disguised as a woman, hoping to trick men, for lust. Period!
NOT ONE STRAIGHT MAN ON THE PANEL
why are these alphabets deciding on MY right to consent
Uh before then! And not sharing is how some end up unalive…..
Say it Claudia!!!!
Agree Claudia. Tell Me Upfront before the date and I am going to ask all the questions on the phone prior to agreeing with the date
This is EXACTLY why ppl get hurt ... badly. How dare a person take the right of choice from another individual. Trans ppl seem to think that they can bypass the rights of women and straight men for their personal feelings. Men have a RIGHT. Let me repeat, a RIGHT to choose who they date. The absolute audacity of this even being a question ...
As a Trans woman, I don't agree with that , I'll let them know before anything , that's just me, I value my safety, people out here is crazy asf, also I love me, you except me for me or you don't regardless I still love me and besides I don't get no complaints 90% of the time lol
So what about that 10% you left out.
Withholding information that relates to gender, height, race, or any other omission is a LIE. Also, why would you want to date someone that could potentially not want to be with you anyway. Smells desperate.
Don’t forget weight
They don’t wanna reveal because they know they intend to trick you.
If you’re going to reveal it on the second date, why prolong it and not just admit it on the first date?! Don’t play with your life or other ppl’s lives either. Way too risky.
Before the date even happens. No one like false advertising
It’s NOT ok to assume that a person will accept something that’s so closely tied to sex, sexuality, attraction, and love! Idc if it’s the 1st date!! What if it goes against the person’s religion or moral code they’ve set for their life? Same ones asking for respect and consideration of feelings aren’t giving it. It’s so weird.
Thank U Claudia! Let's Keep It Real! U better speak up before the 1st date!!! Period!!! Why wouldn't you??? Tf🥴😶
Withholding information is how you get hate crimed, don’t be stupid.
Being trans doesn't give you the right to lie and decieve people. You cant throw stones at glass houses and hide your hands. Be responsible for yourself to protect yourself
Yes, hopefully.
Why would anyone think it’s okay to withhold that they’re transgender when dating? That definitely needs to be revealed before a date. I don’t care how attractive you are. It’s a lie by omission.
Please tell people first . Protect yourself. It’s a little like stealing because you think someone is going to say no. Very dishonest and selfish.
If you want to live and be safe it’s much better to tell someone the truth about your Gender. Either you were born a man or woman. Idgaf if you had gender surgery. Let the person know so they can choose if they want to date you. Do not play Russian roulette with your life. 🙏
Before you even go on a date be up front and honest! Don’t take my choices away! There are enough people that are okay with it to pull people in that are not. That’s how people get hurt.
True
Al ducked the question about telling Star upfront BEFORE he went out on a date first. So, that's a "No, I didn't say anything first." 🙄
Yes, if you’re a transwoman and the man you’re dating intends to have children you’re wasting his time.
You need to disclose on the phone prior to the first date and allow them to make a decision. There are people who have religious convictions and you should respect that AND for your safety. I agree with Claudia!
Yes yes yes, I feel the same.
Al needs to chill with that commentary. Just because you choose not to date a transgender person doesn’t mean you hate them.
Not disclosing sensitive information that may impact a person's decision is conniving and cunning with the intent to manipulate. This is a serious character flaw that will come back and bite you in the behind. Run from people who behave like this.
It’s not right to not let the person know what they’re getting themselves into prior. Stop the bullshit
Having a baby and being a Trans is 2 differnts things
Lurnell with that passive aggressive shade about ‘ So Star knew she married a ‘Gay’ man. Not ‘BI’ 😂😂😂😂I
Why is there a dilemma with this issue!!! I would like to know who you really are from the beginning, in the while we're talking and getting to know each other phase. Lay your cards on the table and allow the other person to CHOOSE for themselves! The problem is people want to take other people's FREE WILL away and choose for them or manipulate the person into choosing them. Let me make the choice on whether I want to go forward with you based on the truth. At least if you do it in the beginning there is no love loss! Building a relationship is based on trust! Omission is a lie, it's deceitful and there's no way you can build a relationship built on deception and a lie.
But are you willing to do the same ? Do you feel like you don’t need to lay all of your skeletons out there on the FIRST date simply because it doesn’t involve you being trans ?
@@Rebel-ct2pq yall always draw the line at lgbtq stuff. That’s awfully convenient how you feel you can’t compare the two but you’re using the logic that lying to someone all around is wrong. What if you’re more promiscuous then the person ur dating would prefer , which a man is going to care about so don’t kid yourself. You gonna lay out your entire body count on ur first date just to make sure they’re ok with you ? I know you ain’t. There’s a lot that people aren’t willing to do on the first date so miss me with the self righteousness
@@cushe83 so being upfront about one’s Identity as a transexual person is considered laying out skeletons? This just further proves that trans people are not comfortable in who they chose to become and that’s not society’s issue..a man is a man, a woman is a woman.. your trans identity being a secret to you is a personal problem.. own it out loud or safely date within the trans community.. I mean is it rocket science
@@cushe83 This isn't about being self righteous. Me personally, I'm in my 30's and my body count is 2. With that said, only weak incels ask about body count and any other red pill talking points on first dates. I don't entertain or acknowledge them. I stand by what I said. If a member of the lgbtq community wants to date an hetero, then that needs to be disclosed upfront. They don't because they know there is a strong possibility that the hetero do not date or entertain the idea of dating a member of the lgbtq community which is deceitful. Like really, does it even make sense to be a member of the lgbtq community and purposefully deceiving heteros to be with you? lgbtq should be dating lgbtq just like heteros wants to date heteros. Like why is this a debate? No one wants to be a member of a community they don't identify with or belong and that is ok. People should be free to be with who they want and not be manipulated into being with someone they don't want to.
@@cushe83 YOU CAN'T COMPARE THE TWO! SAY IT FROM JUMP STREET! TF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Armon take is the most dangerous
Waiting to reveal the truth is unfortunately what causes a lot of violence in the trans community.
As a trans individual, I always disclose my gender identity before meeting someone. I believe it's only fair for them to know upfront, rather than keeping it a secret. I want to be treated with honesty and openness, not hidden away.
Horrible, horrible, horrible they are teaching deception, and manipulation. Devil's work literally, don't get hurt playing devilish games.
Devils adovocate here let's not act like for 3 years Claudia's opinion on trans issues were consistently interrupted. Before she could even get her thought out here Al and the other co-host Straight cut her off. Saying she was transphobic. Or flipping the conversation to fit their narrative. And laughed like in this clipp if she try to defend yourself. That is truly why she is so defensive is it right to show that NO.. Could she be triggered YES. I'm not in this lady's head. However But let's not act like we don't understand why she is so defensive. Go back and look at the past three seasons before this. Claudia couldn't even get a thought and here they go.
I agree with Claudia. Lying about your identity is not okay, and yes, withholding it is lying. It’s not worth it to put your safety in jeopardy
Its just wasting someones time to wait. People have been seriously hurt for waiting.
AL DID NOT TELL STAR JONES
He’s Bi…. And you don’t know what they talked about
@@Rg11195 NOPE Star Jones was shocked to find out he likes men. And she divorced him. He never told her anything.
@@JulisJams but he said he told her…. Until she comes out and refutes that, your just speculating
No he didn't.
You dont know anything.
I'm with Claudia. Don't waste people's time just to get a free meal.
Facts
Tell when they ask you for a date. Allow them to choose to date you with that knowledge. It's a respect thing.
They should disclose BEFORE the date
Just wicked. Tell them upfront. Don't take away peoples choice.
I agree with Claudia. I would want to know before any dates. Those prephone calls and texts is when we should discuss that.
Wait. The hate would be different? I am confused. If a man thinks he is approaching a biological woman in all sense of the word, Why not tell him you are other than. A heterosexual man wants a heterosexual WOMAN! Period. I don’t😢 understand the confusion🤷🏾♀️
I don't believe not disclosing is about safety. I have seen too many cases where the transgender person does not disclose until the relationship becomes intimate, and the response is violent. A person should disclose they are transgender BEFORE the date. Nowadays, there are people that don't identify as LGBTQ and are open to dating regardless of letter.
Exactly!!!!! Not telling places the person at risk MAJORLY!
Open to dating LGBTQ because they already are LGBTQ. Maybe in denial
Usually you talk over the phone before a date, you should say it then and allow that person to choose if they want to go down that road.
Why is this even a question?
You can click with someone, have a lot on common, get each other on a level you dont have with others. That doesnt mean we have to date. We can be good friends. I feel like you should be told something as big as this before the first date and let the person decide.
They have to be careful because some not all heterosexual men don’t care if they have had the surgery or not if you link any of the LGBTQ letters to them they respond in violence. That’s because they feel shameful that in their words “Found A Man Attractive”. Yes that information needs to be given so the other person can make their own decision on dating but people’s lives are literally at risk.
That's what's assumed if people know, but if no one knows, most men don't gaf. They will f a trans, a man or whatever.
Let's stop pussy footing around sensetive feelings. This situation is about safety. If you're proud to be transgender, tell the person up front. If they're not interested, they are not for you. Why would you wait 2 dates when the person is "feeling" you to say something? You don't know that person. You don't know how they'll respond. SMH. Remember the transgender woman on Jenny Jones? She took her crush on to tell him how she felt. He killed her. All she did was tell him she liked him. Come on!
the Jenny Jones situation was not transgender. That was a gay man. I remember the story. Dude flipped out and unalived because Jenny Jones and her staff were not honest. There was a woman, who was the man's best friends , who was there on stage, and that guy thought it was HER (she was a big lady), who was going to come out and say she had "the crush" on him. REMEMBER when dud e SAID "YOU LIED". good move on your part to bring up the JENNY JONES episode. From then on JennyJones only did makeovers. She learned that lesson.
Exactly I personally feel like some trans people just want to see how far they can get without saying anything.. that is WRONG