Let me know if I missed anything, looking forward to reading your thoughts about sub attacks. If you liked the video consider subscribing, I have more videos and shorts on the way! In case it wasn't clear in the video, regarding damage from weakest to strongest: Tonfa Nothing Short Sword Kick Dual Claw Shock Punch
@@sponholio I haven't watched the video for more than 10 secs, therefore I cannot make out if you are being sarcastic. Being this the internet, it is highly likely you are being sarcastic, despite sarcasm doesn't work in written form regardless of what Reddit incels say.
I run shorts word because the shock punch doesn't knock down enemies with its AOE but the shot sword does alongside with a shorter cooldown, the second of the reasons I just found out now
I did some testing on this too! I ended up going with kick, since it’s a bit higher in damage when compared to the other attacks (I think only beat by shock punch and claws with bleed DOT) while having minor knockback on kick and major knockback on ground pound.
For anyone using this video as a reference, add 1 second to the cooldowns he provided. Technically you can start the CD timer as the input is pressed, and there is a 1 second delay between the melee input and the visual display on the icon.
I feel like a lot of us got shock punch and just stuck with it. After you invest in a module, there's little reason to change it. Only time I don't use Shock Punch is when I use Mid-Air Manuvering
Sadly, since it takes the Sub slot, my attack is the default one. Because I'm running the "Mid-Air Maneuvering" mod in that slot. It's only 1 charge at a time, and until rank 9 it has a higher cooldown than normal, but... You can aim it anywhere, even open air, and grapple to it. No longer limited to walls, rocks, or crates you have to grapple onto!
Nice and to the point. Use shock punch because I’m not putting kuiper into something different until I don’t have anything else to do so. And punching stuff is just good old fashioned fun.
Upgrading shock punch actually does increase damage. It doesn't show it, but when I first got it. It would just knock enemies over and they would get back up. After fully upgrading it. It would actually one shot the enemies
Id like to see an entire build around melee attacks. There was one that increases your defense and one that halves your cooldown that got me interested
I just got a module for Ajax that reduces sub attack cooldown and increases sub attack damage. It is called Void Explosion. It is the only transcendent module I have for him at the moment, so gonna try it out.
What if you get the grapple mods. Mid air maneuvering long distance maneuvering etc; which one do you have then? I have them but haven’t put one on yet cuz I don’t have them lvl’d to 10 for the extra slots so I just stick with shock punch til then. Also, how tf does a kick do more dmg than a sword.. Or a claw. The sword should do the most dmg by far.
I haven't had luck getting the grapple mods to drop, but based on other comments the Mid Air Maneuvering and Long Distance mods are really good. Haha, yea, some of these damage numbers are weird.
I've been wanting a video like this! 😃 I use Kicking, but I've wanted to try out Dual Claws or Tonfa. I'm glad I watched this before investing in Tonfa, but maybe I'll like the claws. I just don't care for the 'closing' animation for Shock Punch or Shortsword.
That is fair, sometimes I miss because of the spin on the punch. I wonder if the game will expand on the bleed mechanic, I think the claws is the only attack that causes it at the moment. I could be wrong though I feel like I've only seen 33% of the game.
Thanks for that. Didnt bother trying them all but its kinda sad to see, that they only have a SHORT different animation. There is definetly room to improve this melee feature. Like adding a second hit or stackable skill usage for the Tonfa as example. The bleeding effect for the claws are ok but it should last much longer and deal more damage per tick. The kick should always make them fly (any ideas for that one?). The shock punch should actually not only make them fly or stagger, they should be shocked OR stunned a few seconds (adding a way to stun enemies and to use different mulitplier for damage hitting a stunned enemy). I personally use the mid air hook, its just way too good for mostly every class and using the melee (modules) arent even that great. The mid air hook is way longer than the normal ones and it can hook in the air. Really good with Bunny for example because you can just easily zap all the flying drones in colossus fights or the obstructer bubbles. Really good to clear them that way. With equipping these hook modules you will have the standard melee attack tho. Which I don't even use that much anways.
Yeah, the main takeaway from these comments is that I need to get those grapple hook mods, especially the mid-air one, though I'd like to have the other hook mods for testing too.
Since Lvl 40 character is OP against every early content, I just melee enemies with a punch once I gather them in front of me. Nothing more satisfying then killing 5 at once with a single punch. Seems like a perfect Ajax move.
I don't understand midair grapple. Based on the description it sounds like something I can already do.. which is to grapple in midair. I jump gaps ALL of the time and grapple while in midair.. I don't get it. Even on colossi when they suck you in I grapple while falling and do not use this mod.
A word of warning: Putting a catalyst in its slot doesn't double its capacity like how the other mods half it. It increases it by 1.5x. So you go from +10 to +15 capacity. I just found this out the hard way yesterday.
I use claw because of the AOE coverage. Use that with Gladiator and it's so fun. Helps with Defense missions when there's just too many trash mobs with annoying Mods like shield, Weakpoint or Mana Drain.
I actually don't run any of these, but a non-melee module tied to the same slot. Mid-Air Maneuvering. An Ultimate mod, that modifies the Grappling hook. I hated losing 1 grapple charge at first, but being able to grapple anywhere with no anchor point needed, is huge for maneuverability.
If you upgrade this module you not only get extra capacity for your module slots but the -20%? cooldown is going to 0! If you didnt know that already, go and upgrade that first haha.
Good video with more information on the melee-enhancers provided, but I will never use anything over a Grapple-Enhancer ever. LongDistance Grapple is just so much more usefull than some melee I'd barely use ever.
Do you have the mid air grapple too? The mid air is longer than the standard grapples too so i am curious if the long distance is still longer than the mid air grapple?
Yes, the Long Distance Grapple is noticably longer than the MidAir. The only reason I am not using MidAir is because you lose 1 Charge on the Grapple and when I move I tend to do short long Bursts of range instead of continuous movement. This makes the LongDistance much more viable for me.
@@jiddkk So the long distance is EVEN longer than the mid air? I would say mid air is around 1,5-2x longer than the standard one. So if it’s even longer holy moly. I need to see that haha. Maybe worth switching to that. How „bad“ is the cooldown if it’s upgraded to maximum? Edit: Ok I need to be honest I don’t know exactly how much longer mid air is but it definitely feels much longer than standard. But it’s now 100h away since the last time I used the standard grapple hook. So I dunno haha. Can’t play and test right now.
Just read the description for Insurmountable Skullfort. "You find hand-to-hand combat relaxing. The lights will attract the enemy. Help them to relax as well." 🤣
If these didn't have to compete with grappling hook mods I would bother using them. Especially after reaching hardmode the sub attack is good for killing only the lightest enemies, everything else easily survives and you are better of shooting them with your gun and not risk closing the distance.
Some possible answers I have seen on steam: "It makes the enemy your "sub" by asserting your dominance via hand to hand combat" - "...Sub as in substitute, secondary, back-up." - "Because it looks like a hoagie roll." - "Probably for the same reason holding is called mounting in reactor description. Korean to English translation."
honestrly they are not unique enough, the claw should be a fucking wide large claw that hit multiple enemies, the tonfa could have damage reduction inbuild for eemple, shock punch bigger stagger, each having an effect on more emphasis on something, in the current form there is not much difference and shock punch seems to be the best, while the animation is a bit slow and wonky it the strongest of all, but not realy realy sure in end game when you chase bosses and does millions damage it make a big diff
I think the melee needs a big rework in general, it should be just a simple 1 button press and have more up time and greater impact on playstyle. They should also inherently be infused with the character element ( bunny has lightning kick for example). And the changed versions should trigger AOE effects or other special abilities ( see destiny 😅)
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Let me know if I missed anything, looking forward to reading your thoughts about sub attacks. If you liked the video consider subscribing, I have more videos and shorts on the way!
In case it wasn't clear in the video, regarding damage from weakest to strongest:
Tonfa
Nothing
Short Sword
Kick
Dual Claw
Shock Punch
Great video thanks for the comparison, I always thought they did same damage and differences were mostly cosmetic
I use this ability on resource boxes more than enemies 😅
Depends on mood and Descendent.
Freyna has dual claws.
Lepic has shortsword.
Bunny has shock punch.
Kick for Bunny! She's all about legs! lol.
Shock punch is great because you can completely knock down large enemies like the guys with the shields
you can do that with claws or tonfa as well with either mods or jump attacks fwiw
Yeah this is the reason I went for it, I used one of the other modules to try on but then I couldn’t knock down those stupid ice spike guys
I just run the shock punch. Its the first melee mod I got. Didn’t even know there were differences! Nice video, good information and no bullshit.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked the video!
They are all equally useless apart from the 10 additional mod points.
@@Peppeblackmetal If you think the punch is useless when smashing down bosses...... shows you are a noob that doesnt use it
@@sponholio I haven't watched the video for more than 10 secs, therefore I cannot make out if you are being sarcastic. Being this the internet, it is highly likely you are being sarcastic, despite sarcasm doesn't work in written form regardless of what Reddit incels say.
@@Peppeblackmetal Like I said, spoken like a noob that doesnt even understand what a skill does
Shock punch really helps with its gap close knockdown against shield bearers and ascetics
I really hate those shield users
They all have a gap close
I use shock punch because the concept of sending an enemy that towers me flying is funny to me. Bonus points if they are slowed by viessa.
i use the kicking mod, feeling like bruce lee with the flying kick HOOIIYAAA
Haha Nice! Ya it is fun, ran the kick for a little bit when I first found the module.
Ajax main here, SHOCK PUNCH RULES!
I got the shock punch pretty much right away. I wasn't sure what others there were. Thx for the info. Now I know it's good to upgrade it.
Damn I was convinced that their difference is merely cosmetic and don't have different parameters at all. good to know!
Glad to see some coverage on these finally but you neglected to show which ones were Sprint friendly
I run shorts word because the shock punch doesn't knock down enemies with its AOE but the shot sword does alongside with a shorter cooldown, the second of the reasons I just found out now
I have never had short sword knock down any enemies.
Shock punch has to be the most useful mod ever, it can also be used on enemies for some reason if there aren't any resource boxes 👍
I did some testing on this too! I ended up going with kick, since it’s a bit higher in damage when compared to the other attacks (I think only beat by shock punch and claws with bleed DOT) while having minor knockback on kick and major knockback on ground pound.
The grapple hook to kick is sooooo satisfying. Makes me feel like I’m spider-man or in a anime.
For anyone using this video as a reference, add 1 second to the cooldowns he provided. Technically you can start the CD timer as the input is pressed, and there is a 1 second delay between the melee input and the visual display on the icon.
I feel like a lot of us got shock punch and just stuck with it. After you invest in a module, there's little reason to change it.
Only time I don't use Shock Punch is when I use Mid-Air Manuvering
I use kick. Mainly because I think it looks cool
I use Shock Punch because it was the first and what I raised. Once I get the long range grapple, though, I’ll be switching to that.
I use the mid air maneuver module or the shock punch for that slot, Looks like Im not missing out by ignoring the others
I want mid air maneuver so bad but no luck so far
@@sbfantom Hopefully you can get it, i love it so much. You can literally just cling to the air so you can bypass a lot of platforming.
Sadly, since it takes the Sub slot, my attack is the default one.
Because I'm running the "Mid-Air Maneuvering" mod in that slot.
It's only 1 charge at a time, and until rank 9 it has a higher cooldown than normal, but... You can aim it anywhere, even open air, and grapple to it.
No longer limited to walls, rocks, or crates you have to grapple onto!
Makes sense, I haven't had luck trying to get a grapple mod yet, but I'll keep trying
Awesome comparison video!
I prefer to use Grapple mods because they provide me with more utility, but the other sub modules are pretty cool too.
Thanks! I've heard that grapple mods are really good, just haven't had luck getting them to drop.
Say whatever you want. My karate chops HURT 😂
I was just wondering about this earlier today. Hope this satisfies
Thank you for this. Been trying to find info on the sub attack difference but couldn't
Nice and to the point. Use shock punch because I’m not putting kuiper into something different until I don’t have anything else to do so. And punching stuff is just good old fashioned fun.
Upgrading shock punch actually does increase damage. It doesn't show it, but when I first got it. It would just knock enemies over and they would get back up. After fully upgrading it. It would actually one shot the enemies
Id like to see an entire build around melee attacks. There was one that increases your defense and one that halves your cooldown that got me interested
I just got a module for Ajax that reduces sub attack cooldown and increases sub attack damage. It is called Void Explosion. It is the only transcendent module I have for him at the moment, so gonna try it out.
I've also seen reactors roll with +20%-ish sub attack damage.
Very informative and straight to the point. Thanks for making this!
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it!
I’ve been playing for like 2 weeks now and still haven’t seen a tonfa or anyone use it
Bunnys feet bussin bussin 😋🐇
Does putting the equivalent of forma onto the slot double the effect of increasing capacity?
What if you get the grapple mods. Mid air maneuvering long distance maneuvering etc; which one do you have then? I have them but haven’t put one on yet cuz I don’t have them lvl’d to 10 for the extra slots so I just stick with shock punch til then.
Also, how tf does a kick do more dmg than a sword.. Or a claw. The sword should do the most dmg by far.
I haven't had luck getting the grapple mods to drop, but based on other comments the Mid Air Maneuvering and Long Distance mods are really good. Haha, yea, some of these damage numbers are weird.
Shock punch all the way. Invaluable for those shields.
I’m curious if there’s some way to increase or interact with the bleed affect from claws
On the reactors the sub attack power is only for melee??
I've been wanting a video like this! 😃
I use Kicking, but I've wanted to try out Dual Claws or Tonfa. I'm glad I watched this before investing in Tonfa, but maybe I'll like the claws.
I just don't care for the 'closing' animation for Shock Punch or Shortsword.
That is fair, sometimes I miss because of the spin on the punch. I wonder if the game will expand on the bleed mechanic, I think the claws is the only attack that causes it at the moment. I could be wrong though I feel like I've only seen 33% of the game.
Thanks for that. Didnt bother trying them all but its kinda sad to see, that they only have a SHORT different animation. There is definetly room to improve this melee feature. Like adding a second hit or stackable skill usage for the Tonfa as example. The bleeding effect for the claws are ok but it should last much longer and deal more damage per tick. The kick should always make them fly (any ideas for that one?). The shock punch should actually not only make them fly or stagger, they should be shocked OR stunned a few seconds (adding a way to stun enemies and to use different mulitplier for damage hitting a stunned enemy).
I personally use the mid air hook, its just way too good for mostly every class and using the melee (modules) arent even that great. The mid air hook is way longer than the normal ones and it can hook in the air. Really good with Bunny for example because you can just easily zap all the flying drones in colossus fights or the obstructer bubbles. Really good to clear them that way. With equipping these hook modules you will have the standard melee attack tho. Which I don't even use that much anways.
Yeah, the main takeaway from these comments is that I need to get those grapple hook mods, especially the mid-air one, though I'd like to have the other hook mods for testing too.
Since Lvl 40 character is OP against every early content, I just melee enemies with a punch once I gather them in front of me. Nothing more satisfying then killing 5 at once with a single punch. Seems like a perfect Ajax move.
Don’t use one. Use one of the 3 grapples depending on the situation.
The grapple special mods are the way to go. Particularly the mid air grapple for me but some like the long range grapple mod to max damage with Bunny.
I don't understand midair grapple. Based on the description it sounds like something I can already do.. which is to grapple in midair. I jump gaps ALL of the time and grapple while in midair.. I don't get it.
Even on colossi when they suck you in I grapple while falling and do not use this mod.
Nevermind, another comment said you can literally grapple AIR.
That needs a better description and yeah, that's amazing
I didn't know it increased max slots aswell
A word of warning: Putting a catalyst in its slot doesn't double its capacity like how the other mods half it. It increases it by 1.5x. So you go from +10 to +15 capacity.
I just found this out the hard way yesterday.
TL;DR shortsword "aka knife" is best.
very helpful, thank you!
I'm glad you like the video!
Long distance is my one. :)
id like to mess around and play with these tbh but mid-air grapple is just too fun
I use claw because of the AOE coverage. Use that with Gladiator and it's so fun. Helps with Defense missions when there's just too many trash mobs with annoying Mods like shield, Weakpoint or Mana Drain.
I just use the Long-Distance Maneuvering mod because I rarely ever melee.
Amazing video and super helpful!!!
Ayyyy, thanks!
I think mid-air maneuvering madule is better than all these modules, since you can grapple air. Its really usefull for getting away
The one downside using mid air maneuvering is when trying to grapple to boss parts.
Great video! Im wprking on a meme melee build for Ajax, I have most every melee mod. Just for fun as melee only isnt really viable
My Ajax making everyone catch hands
I actually don't run any of these, but a non-melee module tied to the same slot. Mid-Air Maneuvering. An Ultimate mod, that modifies the Grappling hook. I hated losing 1 grapple charge at first, but being able to grapple anywhere with no anchor point needed, is huge for maneuverability.
Nice! I haven't found any grapple hook mods yet, I'll look into that.
If you upgrade this module you not only get extra capacity for your module slots but the -20%? cooldown is going to 0! If you didnt know that already, go and upgrade that first haha.
Good video with more information on the melee-enhancers provided,
but I will never use anything over a Grapple-Enhancer ever.
LongDistance Grapple is just so much more usefull than some melee I'd barely use ever.
Do you have the mid air grapple too? The mid air is longer than the standard grapples too so i am curious if the long distance is still longer than the mid air grapple?
Yes, the Long Distance Grapple is noticably longer than the MidAir. The only reason I am not using MidAir is because you lose 1 Charge on the Grapple and when I move I tend to do short long Bursts of range instead of continuous movement.
This makes the LongDistance much more viable for me.
@@jiddkk So the long distance is EVEN longer than the mid air? I would say mid air is around 1,5-2x longer than the standard one. So if it’s even longer holy moly. I need to see that haha. Maybe worth switching to that. How „bad“ is the cooldown if it’s upgraded to maximum?
Edit: Ok I need to be honest I don’t know exactly how much longer mid air is but it definitely feels much longer than standard. But it’s now 100h away since the last time I used the standard grapple hook. So I dunno haha. Can’t play and test right now.
Just tested it again, the Long Range Grapple indeed has ~1-2m more reach, if compared in a straight line ahead.
We need a Insurmountable Skullfort version in TFD. One punch build
Just read the description for Insurmountable Skullfort.
"You find hand-to-hand combat relaxing. The lights will attract the enemy. Help them to relax as well." 🤣
Should test it out on boss weak spots.
I use mid air maneuvering. Melee is useless, because later even 1 shot from your primary deal more dmg.
Ya, I'm currently trying to get those grapple mods, would love to test them out.
How do you melee on xbox I'm new to the game. Can anyone please help me out here
I could have sworn the tonfa would get a stunning effect but no.
If these didn't have to compete with grappling hook mods I would bother using them.
Especially after reaching hardmode the sub attack is good for killing only the lightest enemies, everything else easily survives and you are better of shooting them with your gun and not risk closing the distance.
I didn't know melee could increase your storage 😮
I'm a Ajax main, I think yall know what my Melee sub is 😂
i chose sword because it looks cool
You forgot mid air maneuvering 😊
I have been trying to get those grapple mods, they just won't drop for me lol.
Kick + Blair = sanji
Imma feet person... 💀
used to do shortsword on sharen but its already too much swords so I switched to kick
Kick is pretty stylish
@@MidiorGaming no cap xD
Why is it called sub attack. Weird translation?
Some possible answers I have seen on steam:
"It makes the enemy your "sub" by asserting your dominance via hand to hand combat"
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"...Sub as in substitute, secondary, back-up."
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"Because it looks like a hoagie roll."
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"Probably for the same reason holding is called mounting in reactor description. Korean to English translation."
i go for kicks, its the flashiest one,
How do you even melee on Xbox controller plz someone help me
Looks like by default it is both shoulder buttons, LB + RB
@@MidiorGaming wtf really okay thank you so much
Sadly i cant, i run the midair movement mod
LDM FTW
No sub attack mod characters have their own animations
Also I absolutely do not like the claws they don't look nice
Its weird. The worst one is the last one you can obtain.
lol right! Makes me feel like I'm missing something with the tonfa.
honestrly they are not unique enough, the claw should be a fucking wide large claw that hit multiple enemies, the tonfa could have damage reduction inbuild for eemple, shock punch bigger stagger, each having an effect on more emphasis on something, in the current form there is not much difference and shock punch seems to be the best, while the animation is a bit slow and wonky it the strongest of all, but not realy realy sure in end game when you chase bosses and does millions damage it make a big diff
That would be fun, hopefully there is a rework to make melee more impactful outside of knockdown and separate grapple mods into its own socket.
I use the sword it can hit multiple enemies at the same time
They all can. Please get a grapple mod
@@KakamileRS 🤣 you pay my internet bill and electricity ⚡️ then you can tell me how to play my game 👌
the only sub weap module is the long distance hook or mid air hook, anything else is a waste
Melee is pathetic in this game, im just hoping they change this up later lol
Kick is best.
Bruh..its just a melee…why call it sub attack?
lol, idk why it is called "Sub Attack" in the game, maybe a translation error.
I use sword because sword yeaaaaa
I think the melee needs a big rework in general, it should be just a simple 1 button press and have more up time and greater impact on playstyle. They should also inherently be infused with the character element ( bunny has lightning kick for example). And the changed versions should trigger AOE effects or other special abilities ( see destiny 😅)
Prefer dual claw
But grapples
I wish it didn’t share slots with the grapple mods 😢
the most useless group of modules because instead of them they usually put modules on a hook
Sadly, melee is soooo bad in tfd….boring, clunky and i never see someone use it
Man I wish they just added melees with stance mods like warframe cause these sub mods are so boring and trash.