The Mimeoplasm is actually on the database, it’s just in the outdated section. Also, on the topic of Mimeoplasm exiling a jin gitaxias and an elf, it will enter as a copy of jin gitaxias (including it’s p/t) and get +1/+1 counters equal to the elf’s power (1 in this case). Also, I’m kind of surprised neheb, dreadhorde champion wasn’t mentioned as it’s a really interesting breach deck
Yeah It's crazy how much people sleep on him, you basicaly have "card" + mana advantage on the command zone and ascess to two one card wincons with best Neheb in play
I'd love to see some PwP episodes with those overlooked commanders. Atris was a ton of fun to play (and I miss him) and I'd like to see some Syr Carah action.
I am still kind of surprised that Atris is not played more often. He is all about playing mind games, hence the half-truths. Also, I have been wanting to make a deck about Syr Carah as well. Really hope they do it some time
I've had a Syr Carah primer listed on moxfield for a while now. It didn't start as a cEDH deck, but I've had enough recent success with it in my local meta that I've submitted it to the database. It really is a neat deck. My favorite card in the deck is Mana Clash, it's so janky but it sometimes pulls its weight proportionally to ad nauseam
Yessss another Syr Carah player! I love Mana Clash too, it’s so much fun to play, especially when you’re on Bonus Round so you do it twice. I built my Carah without a primer, and it’s ridiculously fun
Dylan from Play 2 Win mentioned he got in a situation where someone cloned a Grave Titan 4 times and he was looking at his cEDH deck and thought, "What the hell am I gonna do about this!?". You guys discussed at length that playing big "mid power" cards are a win condition. So I definitely think there is an unexplored or ignored area in cEDH that can exploit people's optimized decklist. Tymna/Kodama stax comes close but theres more to explore for sure. Edit: A few more that can swing big, Pako/Haldan and Jeska/Ishai
I can vouch for Pako/Haldan. I play on a very strict budget (50$) but I make people who have 800$ decks sweat with the good doggo and his dad. The deck is hysterically powerful and adaptive. You can play aggressive if you want someone dead or pressure the table, or you could try and control the table if they do something you dont like. Oh, also you can use their cards against them
reanimated Nezahal in a sidisi food chain brew. It's surprising as hell how hard it is to deal with her when she draws you 5 cards before anyone attempts to remove her
While it probably isn't quite there, one of my favorite higher power commanders to play is Xyris, the Writhing Storm. Not necessarily playing a wheel strategy, but playing as many stax pieces you can get in temur colors. Root maze, arcane laboratory, frozen aether, etc. And the Commander just creates an absolute army. Being able to make 3 bodies off of an opponents brain storm or 3 bodies over a turn with an opponent's Kraum isn't something to turn away at. It's definitely not the best, but it's ability to gain advantages from your opponent's basic game actions is amazing. And also just having Impact Tremors or Purphoros with a Wheel of Fortune can just end the game. Even with just one or two tribal synergy pieces for the snakes, ie a Shared Animosity or some such, can easily prove to be lethal with just one turn cycle of people drawing cards with a rhystic study or mystic remora.
mono red can interact with any permanent with cards like liquimetal coating etc... that turn into artifact idk what yall are smoking. love the idea of atris as a cedh commander and was really hoping syr carah would be a goblin sharpshooter or copy creatures / spells deck.
I've been using a Glenn draw/stax list since the card's release. My table was pretty hesitant at first, but after a few sessions we all had some great fun! Since then, he's evolved into a heavy control list, mainly wincon-less. Had faith in the card since the beginning, and it's held true.
@@d.nelson6284 I have made a deck list for it, but it's on scryfall and I have no clue how to export, I am probably going to move it over to moxfield tonight
I'm still on the Alibou is undervalued and gives a slightly different kind of Boros Stax to Winota which isn't as powerful but is very fun-train. Also you didn't mention the fact that Yasharn pays for its own commander tax. Its a slower payment but it gives you 2 lands every time you play it.
i"ve been playing Mimeoplasm forever, not in a cEDH meta, but as my personal favorite commander. It feels so good to copy a blighted agent with the counters of a death's shadow and swing out.
Great examples on screen and great format thoughts throughout the video. I really liked it from @1:36 on because the conversation got right to how I want the talks to go around more people interested in getting into playing with us. More conversations like this are needed to grow the fanbase and bring new brews to the front.
Talking about yasharn i think people really underestimate how good heliod ballista is as a combo especially in white green where you can easily tutor up the cards that search for them or the cards themselves
Love playing fringe commanders. Since I've switched to lesser know commanders, my win rates have gone up, and so have my fun rates. My opponents love seeing these weird interactions and I have yet to experience on of my opponents getting salty over one of my wacky wins. Great episode!
Just found your channel like yesterday. Love this podcast and seriously would vouch for Syr Carah, and Atris. Would love to see commander games with these commanders
I know a friend who has a semi-cEDH Selenia, Dark Angel deck. It's really interesting and it's not quite what you guys described. Basically, (he always calls it "The Emo deck"), it's an Ad Nauseam deck. The main goal is to tutor for and resolve both Phyrexian Unlife and then Ad Nauseam. He then puts his entire deck in his hand, casts a bunch of mana rocks, and casts Repay in Kind. Since he has somewhere in the range of -100 life, and chances are only he has a Phyrexian Unlife out, everyone else immediately loses. The commander then acts as kind of a backup, because hypothetically, if he has just Phyrexian Unlife, Repay in Kind, and a bunch of mana, he can use his commander to execute it as well. Basically every card that involves lowering his life total for some advantage, preventing life loss/losing the game, and then redistributing life totals that exists is in the deck. It's very interesting. I later decided to build a similar deck in that style.
@@EdHGuru Well, I don't know exactly what's in the deck, I only ever saw him play it and talk about it briefly, but I could potentially ask him. Regardless though, using Repay in Kind effectively requires that he has 0 or less life, so Angel's Grace and Platinum Angel would anti-synergize with that particular portion of the deck. Additionally, Solemnity would only really synergize with Phyrexian Unlife, and because Unlife says you take infect when you take DAMAGE, and since Ad Nauseam causes you to LOSE LIFE, not take damage, there's no issue using Ad Nauseam to go to -100 life and draw your deck. Additionally, being effectively put at 10 life doesn't matter because you're extremely likely to win that turn anyway. So though I don't know for certain, I would understand if he didn't run those cards.
You guys are missing a chapter at ~47 min for yasharn by the way. Love the video, would love to se a pwp episode with these guys, but most specifically syr carrah. You guys really sold me on her and it looks fun af
with yasharn also it can still play silence and the new card calamity’s wake which also has the added benefit of shutting off underworld breach, also it gets captain sisay which is always a great seles include
I love what you guys said about Yasharn. I built an Esika deck that was all about cheating out big hatebears like Elesh Norn, Rhuric Thar, and others like that. It was a ton of fun because it didn’t have a combo and just beat my opponents down. Also Dargo works as a ritual with breach, you can use him to sacrifice all of you mana positive rocks. His cost reduction doesn’t put a cap on how many things you can sacrifice so you can sacrifice more than enough to bring him to one mana.
I play Dargo and Jeska. It is so much fun to threaten letha commander damange and a combo in very early turns. It's of course wonky as hell with impuslive draw in red, but it just is supe renjoyable to play. And something people forget: Commander storm stays around over turns. After you looped Dargo, even if your Jeska was stopped, next turn you try again. And well, mono red Dargo is the right way to play Final Fortune, because it's all in the spirit of a aggressive mono red deck.
I really like this idea of overlooked commanders in cEDH. I don't know if it is overlooked since the card was just printed in Innistrad: Midnight Hunt commander but I'm working on Wilhelt, the Rotcleaver. I've always loved zombie tribal, especially zombiecrats. The three wincons that I came up with so far are Wilhelt + Poppet Sticher + 1 zombie + sac outlet for infinite activations of the sac outlet and infinite death triggers, Gravecrawler + Phyrexian Alter + Wilhelt for infinite death triggers and infinite decayed zombies and Acererak + Rooftop Storm for infinite activations of the Dark Pool in the Lost Mine of Phandelver dungeon. I don't know if those wincons are too cute to make the deck work but I like the challenge. The biggest problem I'm having so far is figuring out what zombies are actually worth playing besides my commander, Diregraf Captain. Acererak and Gravecrawler.
I am working on a Sultai deck with one of the commander legends partner commanders that I have never seen used in neither edh nor cedh partnered with an unused classic partner commander trying to abuse the synergy between them to generate a ton of mana with the normal cedh staples and win by generating infinite mana of any color and scary infinitely while being able to draw any card you want. the only problem right now is that I need to cut a few cards cause the deck is 106 cards and I want to add a few cards... when it will be finished I hope that some players will start to finely build deck with this classic overpower two-colored partner commander with maybe Tevesh or Tana and maybe finally see her on the database
I've always said cEDH is a mindset, not a cardpool. As long as you're trying to go all out to win without intentionally holding your deck back like a casual table would, you're playing cEDH. Some cards are objectively better for this purpose, but the range of commanders you can reasonably build to play cEDH is wider than just the most represented.
My favourite overlooked deck is Alela. Not the best, but in decent colours, has a nice artifact storm/stax payoff, and is really fun and unique. Also, so cool to see Karlov here, I was on the fence about building him (casual or cedh) and now I’ll definitely do it, it might not be the best but it looks fun.
Loved hearing about Karlov. He is my favorite commander. I have a very high power deck with him I've been thinking about trying to push to cEDH. Mainly needs fast mana and a couple of stax pieces.
You got a list? I'd like to compare it to mine. Just like you, I find Karlov to be really strong, but never really thought about taking him to a competitive table
@@paodequeijo7231, repeatedly getting comments taken down for links. The deck's name is Media Vita In Morte Sumus, and it is listed on archidekt. It is still the high power version.
@@btbwilkinson very nice deck would love to see it in action! I used to run a Karlov deck as well and the problem I see in trying to push it into a cEDH style like said in the video is trimming the average cmc if the deck down in order to run Ad Naus. I feel like the deck would kinda lose it's identity
@@paodequeijo7231, yeah, it definitely would be a new deck. That said, I've been considering Ad Naus for it anyway as I tend to have a pretty high life total.
If you like Syr Carah, Zada Hedron Grinder is a very similar deck with maybe even a bit more resilience since it can work around counterspells pretty easily.
I agree with a lot of what you guys are saying. I have been playing cedh since the beginning and now even my 11 year old daughter plays the format as well. I’m the local brewer in my area want you guys to take a look at a list I have been very successful with. A lot of the people here have tier one decks but this I consider a red deck wins. My daughter has won 2 local events with her Muxus deck. Let me know if you guys are interested in it and I can send it your way. Thanks again for the amazing content.
Dargo was my first build from scratch cEDH deck I've made with Jeska. While keeping me in mono Red kept me in some limitation (I also love Godo), I threaten to kill a player on turn 2. Always fun even without the storm count
my cEDH deck that i play is Queza, Augur of Agonies. Its a control list that wins with villis, peer into the abyss, necrologia, or liches mastery. if you go the lame route it would be easy to demonic consoltation and thoracle win as well, as you often draw your entire deck with any number of the combos. the only other cEDH queza list ive seen leans heavily on wheels, which works too, but my list wins at more tables.
I play Captain Sisay , first thing I tutor is either Yasharn or Gadok Teeg. And that really slows my openent until I find my Emmiel the blessed combos 😎
Would really like an episode where you breakdown what you view as the difference between "high power" and "cEDH" Also would love to see you walk the talk and actually play some of these on the channel
I would love to see Magda on the channel. My pet deck never gets enough love and I always shadow-play the gameplay episodes with it to think if a t3 Possessed Portal would've won that pod
I actually think Azorius has some less compact but more overlooked win conditions available to it that would work well in Grant. Specifically, you’re in the perfect colors to run enchantment and artifact tutors for Isochron Scepter Packages. 2x Scepter+Dramatic Reversal+Swan Song with any extra turn effect; IsoRev+Blind Obedience; and you could get really spicy and also run Teferi’s Time Twist as spot protection and a power buff for Grant that combos with Isochron+Mystic Sanctuary+any extra turn spell. You also have access to Auriok Salvagers+LED, which you can use to combo out with Blind Obedience, Aetherflux, Brain Freeze, or Mind’s Desire, or by drawing your deck with an x-cost draw spell and either drawing your opponents out with BSZ loops or winning with Thoracle/Lab Man. They’re not as simple and clean as Thoracle Consult or Emiel Dockside lines, but I think at least Isochron and Bomberman combos are viable, and many of them use cards that are good on their own when not being used to combo off. (Call the Gatewatch is also spicy in controlly Azorius decks with artifact wincons; it lets you fetch up Tezzeret, plus WotS Narset, Jace, and Teferi, though that’s probably more of a mid-power tech given the mana investment.)
I have a mizzix extra turns deck I've been working on for a bit. So far it preformed well even without you good counterspells. Basically just loop reduced cost extra turn spells and win through laboratory maniac.
Lurrus Stax sounds like it'd be spicy, with the 2 mana enchantment reanimates you can reanimate Razaketh in order to get the Relic Hoarder combo with a Blood artist effect
Have either of you personally tried being Rielle the Everwise? I think there is unrealized potential in that space. Really enjoyed this session. Thanks for sharing!
I built Sidisi because a group was missing a fourth and asked me to bring something strong. I wasn't interested in proxying anything so I just thought of the best plan I could put together with what I had. Months later and I'm still tweaking it and stealing games.
When enough folks in a meta decide that they're tired of turbo strats and so pivot to stax/beats, one finds himself in a really weird meta. It's like optimized casual, where Elesh Norn reigns supreme, and no one is packing enough interaction for the volume of creatures and pieces that come down across the boards. My cEDH games have been going FAR longer and more turns than my usual high-powered casual games, which has been a weird one to talk about with my casual playgroup, as they have this fantasy about cEDH being nothing but turbo and stacks of interaction (which I love...I miss you, turbo pod).
Illuna apex of wishes FC. Picked up where the outdated one left off. Very temur midrange, but can grind and control. Gets a lot of "oh dam that's a fun build" but still holds up against all the other decks.
Ikra Shidiqi + Dargo pop'd into my mind, too, that deck actually sounds super sweet. I kinda wanna brew that. Also Syr Carah is extremely spicy, I think all of us want to build her now, lol.
What do you guys think of Judith as an uncommon CEDH commander ? I like the idea of having the wincon in the command zone as long as you can infinitely recurse something from the yard.
in cedh deckbuilding, i think most ppl are playing whatever they've seen already a million times. Deck building is quite hard and playing something that has results already is a safe bet for most players, especially if they only play say once a week or so
I opted out the Kiki Jim line on my Winota Deck completely. We've just started playing cEDH at my lgs and, aside for my Winter and Selvala deck, everyone else is playing blue. There's no way in hell I'm resolving a KiKi combo, thus, I just use big human beaters to win through combat. On a side note, loved the Yasharn idea. Might try that out.
Thank you .. yasharn i built him and in my group they are meta devout, yasharn stax shut it down , one of my win cons was rule of law and knowledge vault , also yashrn nails fetch lands ;)
Great episode! I was sure you were going to mention Darryl when you said Walking Dead. Personally, and I guess it doesn't count since it's on the brewers corner, I've been brewing and playing Chatterfang and I feel like it and Obeka get overlooked. Obeka turns was great but everyone got bored of it and I don't see it anymore
I've always felt that any deck can be a CEDH. They might not be meta but they can sit at a table. I've got a Yarshan pillowfort deck that plays living plane and ghostly prison with linvalla keeper of silence. Your protected from attacks and your oppents won't be able to cast spells to stop you. Vega the Watcher is a deck that needs to be looked at. Brain freeze is an amazing win con with isocron reversal
I played Yasharn in a more high power meta but my main wincons were Elesh Norn/Craterhoof, or Heliod and Walking Ballista. For Heliod combo, Ranger Captain was still good to tutor for Ballista. Also have a Karlov player in my group who would get Karlov up to 7 or so counters then play Humility and Night of Soul's Betrayal to clear the board and beat our faces.
Syr Carah was my brew for mono-red but ended up opting for Godo instead. Syr Carah and Godo both depend on their Commander, except Godo can just come back into the game out of nowhere if disrupted as to where Syr Carah might struggle to get back in the game, imho. At least from an all-in perspective. On Yasharn: it’s nuts. Lol. I dare say as much as rule of law is in this meta.
Winota has become my favorite CEDH deck to play! First games I ever played with her were in a tournament that I ended up top 8ing and then the next month I top 4’d in the tournament! October’s tournament I’m aiming to win with her 👌
Hi gents, great episode as always. Any chance we’ll see you actually play any of these commanders on an episode, or even ones that are decent, but that you didn’t talk about? For instance, I think Emry, lurker of the loch has a chance of putting up a good fight, but I’ve never seen her featured as a commander on your channel.
Im thinking of building an arcades the stratigist approach of the second sun deck seeing as all the walls are super low curve your just cycling them and getting a huge board
An interesting question but do you think you could make a yurlok stax deck work in cedh? You would more play around the fact he is a dork instead of his mama burn ability though using a card like sudden end could be used to end an infinite Mana combo and kill the player. (Very unlikely situation)He also offered politics in the form of adding Mana to people's pools for interaction.
Rogue brews in cEDH are always the most enjoyable thing to see at a table.
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The Mimeoplasm is actually on the database, it’s just in the outdated section. Also, on the topic of Mimeoplasm exiling a jin gitaxias and an elf, it will enter as a copy of jin gitaxias (including it’s p/t) and get +1/+1 counters equal to the elf’s power (1 in this case). Also, I’m kind of surprised neheb, dreadhorde champion wasn’t mentioned as it’s a really interesting breach deck
I'm so happy you said this because it was bothering the mess out of me lol
Holly cow someone else see’s neheb’s potential
Yeah It's crazy how much people sleep on him, you basicaly have "card" + mana advantage on the command zone and ascess to two one card wincons with best Neheb in play
@@rantingrepublican4523 the 99 has some old cedh game play with him on brew wars
I'd love to see some PwP episodes with those overlooked commanders. Atris was a ton of fun to play (and I miss him) and I'd like to see some Syr Carah action.
I am still kind of surprised that Atris is not played more often. He is all about playing mind games, hence the half-truths. Also, I have been wanting to make a deck about Syr Carah as well. Really hope they do it some time
I've had a Syr Carah primer listed on moxfield for a while now. It didn't start as a cEDH deck, but I've had enough recent success with it in my local meta that I've submitted it to the database. It really is a neat deck. My favorite card in the deck is Mana Clash, it's so janky but it sometimes pulls its weight proportionally to ad nauseam
Yessss another Syr Carah player! I love Mana Clash too, it’s so much fun to play, especially when you’re on Bonus Round so you do it twice. I built my Carah without a primer, and it’s ridiculously fun
🔥🔥🔥 This has to be my favorite cEDH podcast yet!
When's the PWP episode featuring Syr Carah? Really love the concept of the deck
Dylan from Play 2 Win mentioned he got in a situation where someone cloned a Grave Titan 4 times and he was looking at his cEDH deck and thought, "What the hell am I gonna do about this!?". You guys discussed at length that playing big "mid power" cards are a win condition. So I definitely think there is an unexplored or ignored area in cEDH that can exploit people's optimized decklist. Tymna/Kodama stax comes close but theres more to explore for sure.
Edit: A few more that can swing big, Pako/Haldan and Jeska/Ishai
Sounds like a table that doesn’t know how to play cedh. 🤣
I can vouch for Pako/Haldan. I play on a very strict budget (50$) but I make people who have 800$ decks sweat with the good doggo and his dad. The deck is hysterically powerful and adaptive. You can play aggressive if you want someone dead or pressure the table, or you could try and control the table if they do something you dont like. Oh, also you can use their cards against them
reanimated Nezahal in a sidisi food chain brew. It's surprising as hell how hard it is to deal with her when she draws you 5 cards before anyone attempts to remove her
Missed Timestamps
45:43 Yasharn, Implacable Earth
1:17:12 Dargo, the Shipwrecker
Nice catch, thank you.
37:57 yeah.. however, the walking dead cards are a fantastic wincon in my play group since I scoop if they resolve
I mean this is cEDH, if you're scooping against cards you don't like for any reason, that's sorta on you
While it probably isn't quite there, one of my favorite higher power commanders to play is Xyris, the Writhing Storm. Not necessarily playing a wheel strategy, but playing as many stax pieces you can get in temur colors. Root maze, arcane laboratory, frozen aether, etc. And the Commander just creates an absolute army. Being able to make 3 bodies off of an opponents brain storm or 3 bodies over a turn with an opponent's Kraum isn't something to turn away at. It's definitely not the best, but it's ability to gain advantages from your opponent's basic game actions is amazing. And also just having Impact Tremors or Purphoros with a Wheel of Fortune can just end the game. Even with just one or two tribal synergy pieces for the snakes, ie a Shared Animosity or some such, can easily prove to be lethal with just one turn cycle of people drawing cards with a rhystic study or mystic remora.
mono red can interact with any permanent with cards like liquimetal coating etc... that turn into artifact idk what yall are smoking. love the idea of atris as a cedh commander and was really hoping syr carah would be a goblin sharpshooter or copy creatures / spells deck.
I've been using a Glenn draw/stax list since the card's release. My table was pretty hesitant at first, but after a few sessions we all had some great fun! Since then, he's evolved into a heavy control list, mainly wincon-less. Had faith in the card since the beginning, and it's held true.
My Liesa, Shroud of Dusk deck often dunks on Ad Naus decks and interacts via stax and removal to a degree that many decks can't handle.
Do you have a list handy? I run Liesa in a high-power/cEDH pod and it’s been moderately successful.
@@d.nelson6284 I have made a deck list for it, but it's on scryfall and I have no clue how to export, I am probably going to move it over to moxfield tonight
@@Dubhats Sounds great man! I’d love to see it when you’re get a chance.
I'm still on the Alibou is undervalued and gives a slightly different kind of Boros Stax to Winota which isn't as powerful but is very fun-train.
Also you didn't mention the fact that Yasharn pays for its own commander tax. Its a slower payment but it gives you 2 lands every time you play it.
Please make this a series! I love your hot takes!
i"ve been playing Mimeoplasm forever, not in a cEDH meta, but as my personal favorite commander. It feels so good to copy a blighted agent with the counters of a death's shadow and swing out.
Great examples on screen and great format thoughts throughout the video. I really liked it from @1:36 on because the conversation got right to how I want the talks to go around more people interested in getting into playing with us. More conversations like this are needed to grow the fanbase and bring new brews to the front.
Talking about yasharn i think people really underestimate how good heliod ballista is as a combo especially in white green where you can easily tutor up the cards that search for them or the cards themselves
Love playing fringe commanders. Since I've switched to lesser know commanders, my win rates have gone up, and so have my fun rates. My opponents love seeing these weird interactions and I have yet to experience on of my opponents getting salty over one of my wacky wins. Great episode!
Just found your channel like yesterday. Love this podcast and seriously would vouch for Syr Carah, and Atris. Would love to see commander games with these commanders
Vial smasher is my fav commander, right now I’ve got her with Sakashima but I’m really debating going to Malcolm.
I play Vial Malcom. Love it.
Love to see mimeoplasm gettin the shout out! Always been a favorite of mine
had a real pleasure listening to this podcast, great content as usual y'all!
I know a friend who has a semi-cEDH Selenia, Dark Angel deck. It's really interesting and it's not quite what you guys described. Basically, (he always calls it "The Emo deck"), it's an Ad Nauseam deck. The main goal is to tutor for and resolve both Phyrexian Unlife and then Ad Nauseam. He then puts his entire deck in his hand, casts a bunch of mana rocks, and casts Repay in Kind. Since he has somewhere in the range of -100 life, and chances are only he has a Phyrexian Unlife out, everyone else immediately loses. The commander then acts as kind of a backup, because hypothetically, if he has just Phyrexian Unlife, Repay in Kind, and a bunch of mana, he can use his commander to execute it as well. Basically every card that involves lowering his life total for some advantage, preventing life loss/losing the game, and then redistributing life totals that exists is in the deck. It's very interesting. I later decided to build a similar deck in that style.
I assume solemnity is in the build for the unlife to not kill him with its infect clause or angels grace, platinum angel?
@@EdHGuru Well, I don't know exactly what's in the deck, I only ever saw him play it and talk about it briefly, but I could potentially ask him. Regardless though, using Repay in Kind effectively requires that he has 0 or less life, so Angel's Grace and Platinum Angel would anti-synergize with that particular portion of the deck. Additionally, Solemnity would only really synergize with Phyrexian Unlife, and because Unlife says you take infect when you take DAMAGE, and since Ad Nauseam causes you to LOSE LIFE, not take damage, there's no issue using Ad Nauseam to go to -100 life and draw your deck. Additionally, being effectively put at 10 life doesn't matter because you're extremely likely to win that turn anyway. So though I don't know for certain, I would understand if he didn't run those cards.
You guys are missing a chapter at ~47 min for yasharn by the way. Love the video, would love to se a pwp episode with these guys, but most specifically syr carrah. You guys really sold me on her and it looks fun af
I think an Obuun stax list using your lands to smash into people would be a neat rougue brew.
This actually sounds really cool, I might have to take a look into doing something like this. I feel like Gaddock Teeg could put some hefty work in.
Big fan of Syr Carrah love that it is mentioned here! I love that design of impulse draw from damage for Red
with yasharn also it can still play silence and the new card calamity’s wake which also has the added benefit of shutting off underworld breach, also it gets captain sisay which is always a great seles include
Mimeoplasm with its Balista/Ooze/Devourer combo becomes a super fun nuke, surprised it didnt get a mention.
This is an awesome episode. Would love to see more of these. Syr Carah got my juices flowing
I really appreciate the odd commander shout outs because its does get dry playing against the same commanders. Keep the hot takes coming
I love what you guys said about Yasharn. I built an Esika deck that was all about cheating out big hatebears like Elesh Norn, Rhuric Thar, and others like that. It was a ton of fun because it didn’t have a combo and just beat my opponents down.
Also Dargo works as a ritual with breach, you can use him to sacrifice all of you mana positive rocks. His cost reduction doesn’t put a cap on how many things you can sacrifice so you can sacrifice more than enough to bring him to one mana.
My example is the Selesnya Selvala. Thought she was just group-hug, ended up getting demolished by a cEDH deck with her.
I am Not playing CEDH, but god I love Mimeoplasm.
I have an altered Selena! She’s been one of my longest built decks for forever! I’m super excited to see her getting a spotlight 👍🏼
I play Dargo and Jeska. It is so much fun to threaten letha commander damange and a combo in very early turns. It's of course wonky as hell with impuslive draw in red, but it just is supe renjoyable to play. And something people forget: Commander storm stays around over turns. After you looped Dargo, even if your Jeska was stopped, next turn you try again. And well, mono red Dargo is the right way to play Final Fortune, because it's all in the spirit of a aggressive mono red deck.
I really like this idea of overlooked commanders in cEDH. I don't know if it is overlooked since the card was just printed in Innistrad: Midnight Hunt commander but I'm working on Wilhelt, the Rotcleaver. I've always loved zombie tribal, especially zombiecrats. The three wincons that I came up with so far are Wilhelt + Poppet Sticher + 1 zombie + sac outlet for infinite activations of the sac outlet and infinite death triggers, Gravecrawler + Phyrexian Alter + Wilhelt for infinite death triggers and infinite decayed zombies and Acererak + Rooftop Storm for infinite activations of the Dark Pool in the Lost Mine of Phandelver dungeon. I don't know if those wincons are too cute to make the deck work but I like the challenge. The biggest problem I'm having so far is figuring out what zombies are actually worth playing besides my commander, Diregraf Captain. Acererak and Gravecrawler.
I am working on a Sultai deck with one of the commander legends partner commanders that I have never seen used in neither edh nor cedh partnered with an unused classic partner commander trying to abuse the synergy between them to generate a ton of mana with the normal cedh staples and win by generating infinite mana of any color and scary infinitely while being able to draw any card you want.
the only problem right now is that I need to cut a few cards cause the deck is 106 cards and I want to add a few cards...
when it will be finished I hope that some players will start to finely build deck with this classic overpower two-colored partner commander with maybe Tevesh or Tana and maybe finally see her on the database
guys, this video, these decks... so awesome... my wallet is crying! definitley gonna build that syr carah storm deck!
I've always said cEDH is a mindset, not a cardpool. As long as you're trying to go all out to win without intentionally holding your deck back like a casual table would, you're playing cEDH. Some cards are objectively better for this purpose, but the range of commanders you can reasonably build to play cEDH is wider than just the most represented.
cEDH'ers will often say it's a mindset as well and in the same breath say commander X, Y or Z isn't cEDH viable
My favourite overlooked deck is Alela. Not the best, but in decent colours, has a nice artifact storm/stax payoff, and is really fun and unique. Also, so cool to see Karlov here, I was on the fence about building him (casual or cedh) and now I’ll definitely do it, it might not be the best but it looks fun.
Loved hearing about Karlov. He is my favorite commander. I have a very high power deck with him I've been thinking about trying to push to cEDH. Mainly needs fast mana and a couple of stax pieces.
You got a list? I'd like to compare it to mine. Just like you, I find Karlov to be really strong, but never really thought about taking him to a competitive table
@@paodequeijo7231, repeatedly getting comments taken down for links. The deck's name is Media Vita In Morte Sumus, and it is listed on archidekt. It is still the high power version.
@@btbwilkinson very nice deck would love to see it in action! I used to run a Karlov deck as well and the problem I see in trying to push it into a cEDH style like said in the video is trimming the average cmc if the deck down in order to run Ad Naus. I feel like the deck would kinda lose it's identity
@@paodequeijo7231, yeah, it definitely would be a new deck. That said, I've been considering Ad Naus for it anyway as I tend to have a pretty high life total.
So. Think we can get a crossover episode of a gameplay where each player has to play a deck using these commanders you spoke about?
The Mimeoplasm is my first commander I was always waiting for this to see in cedh!
If you like Syr Carah, Zada Hedron Grinder is a very similar deck with maybe even a bit more resilience since it can work around counterspells pretty easily.
zada is a serious pauper commander as well. very hard to deal with.
I agree with a lot of what you guys are saying. I have been playing cedh since the beginning and now even my 11 year old daughter plays the format as well. I’m the local brewer in my area want you guys to take a look at a list I have been very successful with. A lot of the people here have tier one decks but this I consider a red deck wins. My daughter has won 2 local events with her Muxus deck. Let me know if you guys are interested in it and I can send it your way. Thanks again for the amazing content.
Dargo was my first build from scratch cEDH deck I've made with Jeska. While keeping me in mono Red kept me in some limitation (I also love Godo), I threaten to kill a player on turn 2. Always fun even without the storm count
Me too! I did a lot of early work on the Discord and had one of the first Dargo/Jeska builds online that seemed absurdly dangerous!
one commander I think is pretty cool is Obeka. overshadowed by a lot of other naus decks but has other ways to win and value with extra turn spells
my cEDH deck that i play is Queza, Augur of Agonies. Its a control list that wins with villis, peer into the abyss, necrologia, or liches mastery. if you go the lame route it would be easy to demonic consoltation and thoracle win as well, as you often draw your entire deck with any number of the combos. the only other cEDH queza list ive seen leans heavily on wheels, which works too, but my list wins at more tables.
I play Captain Sisay , first thing I tutor is either Yasharn or Gadok Teeg. And that really slows my openent until I find my Emmiel the blessed combos 😎
Would really like an episode where you breakdown what you view as the difference between "high power" and "cEDH" Also would love to see you walk the talk and actually play some of these on the channel
I would love to see Magda on the channel. My pet deck never gets enough love and I always shadow-play the gameplay episodes with it to think if a t3 Possessed Portal would've won that pod
I actually think Azorius has some less compact but more overlooked win conditions available to it that would work well in Grant.
Specifically, you’re in the perfect colors to run enchantment and artifact tutors for Isochron Scepter Packages. 2x Scepter+Dramatic Reversal+Swan Song with any extra turn effect; IsoRev+Blind Obedience; and you could get really spicy and also run Teferi’s Time Twist as spot protection and a power buff for Grant that combos with Isochron+Mystic Sanctuary+any extra turn spell. You also have access to Auriok Salvagers+LED, which you can use to combo out with Blind Obedience, Aetherflux, Brain Freeze, or Mind’s Desire, or by drawing your deck with an x-cost draw spell and either drawing your opponents out with BSZ loops or winning with Thoracle/Lab Man. They’re not as simple and clean as Thoracle Consult or Emiel Dockside lines, but I think at least Isochron and Bomberman combos are viable, and many of them use cards that are good on their own when not being used to combo off. (Call the Gatewatch is also spicy in controlly Azorius decks with artifact wincons; it lets you fetch up Tezzeret, plus WotS Narset, Jace, and Teferi, though that’s probably more of a mid-power tech given the mana investment.)
When yalls said Sun Titan and Ranger Captain, I nearly lost it. I love casting my non-creatures and I love paying life.
"You can do pretty broken stuff with spellseeker"
How neat, another commander where spellseeker is a 1 card combo
We did it, we finally broke spellseeker
Can you do a CEDH gameplay video using the commanders in this video? Im particularly interested in Atris and Syr Carah
Surprised there's no Alela on the list considering how good it is. Runs Moat which is the best reserved list card.
That may or may not have been in the show notes ;)
@@ComedIanMTG Ian why do you do this to me.
Can you do more of these? More commanders that are overlooked or underappreciated or underused
I have a mizzix extra turns deck I've been working on for a bit. So far it preformed well even without you good counterspells. Basically just loop reduced cost extra turn spells and win through laboratory maniac.
Hottest take: pronouncing Care-uh as Kuh-ra :P
I love Karlov. One of my favorite decks. Slowly but surly improving it.
One game I was one shot players left and right because I had him like at 30 as my commander
Lurrus Stax sounds like it'd be spicy, with the 2 mana enchantment reanimates you can reanimate Razaketh in order to get the Relic Hoarder combo with a Blood artist effect
good vid guys, good picks, loved it, had to let you know
Have either of you personally tried being Rielle the Everwise? I think there is unrealized potential in that space.
Really enjoyed this session. Thanks for sharing!
I built Sidisi because a group was missing a fourth and asked me to bring something strong. I wasn't interested in proxying anything so I just thought of the best plan I could put together with what I had. Months later and I'm still tweaking it and stealing games.
I built a seton krosan protector cedh deck, he's GGG, and say's tap an untapped druid you control: add one G.
Because of the way his ability is written, you can Draw 5 cards of Glen if using Jitte by pumping after you hit!
the amount of excitement I have to make a Dargo Thrasios deck now is a little bit too much
When enough folks in a meta decide that they're tired of turbo strats and so pivot to stax/beats, one finds himself in a really weird meta. It's like optimized casual, where Elesh Norn reigns supreme, and no one is packing enough interaction for the volume of creatures and pieces that come down across the boards. My cEDH games have been going FAR longer and more turns than my usual high-powered casual games, which has been a weird one to talk about with my casual playgroup, as they have this fantasy about cEDH being nothing but turbo and stacks of interaction (which I love...I miss you, turbo pod).
Missing a timestamp for Dargo at 1:17:11 in the description
Charrix sundering isle is pretty brutal 1v1 with tons of counters and unblockable outlets
Illuna apex of wishes FC.
Picked up where the outdated one left off.
Very temur midrange, but can grind and control. Gets a lot of "oh dam that's a fun build" but still holds up against all the other decks.
Ikra Shidiqi + Dargo pop'd into my mind, too, that deck actually sounds super sweet. I kinda wanna brew that. Also Syr Carah is extremely spicy, I think all of us want to build her now, lol.
What do you guys think of Judith as an uncommon CEDH commander ? I like the idea of having the wincon in the command zone as long as you can infinitely recurse something from the yard.
in cedh deckbuilding, i think most ppl are playing whatever they've seen already a million times. Deck building is quite hard and playing something that has results already is a safe bet for most players, especially if they only play say once a week or so
Meren is way overlooked, I'd put my Meren of Clan Nel Toth against any deck of your decks.
I’m my meta she is everywhere. 3 people have 3 styles of her list. All very combo centric. One is reanimator one is turbo naus and one is pod
I opted out the Kiki Jim line on my Winota Deck completely.
We've just started playing cEDH at my lgs and, aside for my Winter and Selvala deck, everyone else is playing blue. There's no way in hell I'm resolving a KiKi combo, thus, I just use big human beaters to win through combat.
On a side note, loved the Yasharn idea. Might try that out.
Maybe Glenn, the Voice of Calm could be a turns deck?
Thank you .. yasharn i built him and in my group they are meta devout, yasharn stax shut it down , one of my win cons was rule of law and knowledge vault , also yashrn nails fetch lands ;)
Do you mean knowledge pool? If not how does the rule of law, knowledge vault combo work?
@@JanisMinecraft yrs lol knowledge pool ..sorry was on night shift watching and responding ..
@@jcggresswell7284 No worries and thank you! I'm just new and looking to brew yasharn xD
I’m surprised there’s not more Alesha popularity. Maybe she’s too weak to graveyard and interaction, but she’s always been my favourite commander.
Great episode! I was sure you were going to mention Darryl when you said Walking Dead. Personally, and I guess it doesn't count since it's on the brewers corner, I've been brewing and playing Chatterfang and I feel like it and Obeka get overlooked. Obeka turns was great but everyone got bored of it and I don't see it anymore
I've always felt that any deck can be a CEDH. They might not be meta but they can sit at a table. I've got a Yarshan pillowfort deck that plays living plane and ghostly prison with linvalla keeper of silence. Your protected from attacks and your oppents won't be able to cast spells to stop you.
Vega the Watcher is a deck that needs to be looked at. Brain freeze is an amazing win con with isocron reversal
Suprise that Ian go for the black strip 2 episode in a row (Start to Wonder that will Ian join the PwP team :D)
I played Yasharn in a more high power meta but my main wincons were Elesh Norn/Craterhoof, or Heliod and Walking Ballista. For Heliod combo, Ranger Captain was still good to tutor for Ballista. Also have a Karlov player in my group who would get Karlov up to 7 or so counters then play Humility and Night of Soul's Betrayal to clear the board and beat our faces.
Syr Carah was my brew for mono-red but ended up opting for Godo instead. Syr Carah and Godo both depend on their Commander, except Godo can just come back into the game out of nowhere if disrupted as to where Syr Carah might struggle to get back in the game, imho. At least from an all-in perspective.
On Yasharn: it’s nuts. Lol. I dare say as much as rule of law is in this meta.
My buddy loves Karlov, he uses some sypher enchantment on him.
Winota has become my favorite CEDH deck to play! First games I ever played with her were in a tournament that I ended up top 8ing and then the next month I top 4’d in the tournament! October’s tournament I’m aiming to win with her 👌
Hi gents, great episode as always. Any chance we’ll see you actually play any of these commanders on an episode, or even ones that are decent, but that you didn’t talk about? For instance, I think Emry, lurker of the loch has a chance of putting up a good fight, but I’ve never seen her featured as a commander on your channel.
Would love a decklist for a mono white elesh norn beat down stax deck.
Is there going to be game play of some of the cards you are talking about
Currently trying to pull it off with Ashnod, the Uncaring
When are we getting the hot take tribal edh deck?
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I’ve been trying to make nevinerrhal work for a bit with a gravecrawler phyrexian combo with like flicker effects and drain effects to win
Ooooo Syr Carah is spicy!!!
Also important to note that Selenia is an angelic pickle who crawls from bowls of soup and steals the dreams of wasteful children
Im thinking of building an arcades the stratigist approach of the second sun deck seeing as all the walls are super low curve your just cycling them and getting a huge board
An interesting question but do you think you could make a yurlok stax deck work in cedh? You would more play around the fact he is a dork instead of his mama burn ability though using a card like sudden end could be used to end an infinite Mana combo and kill the player. (Very unlikely situation)He also offered politics in the form of adding Mana to people's pools for interaction.
Time to get my Azor the Lawbringer Stax deck together.
I enjoy animar. It is surprisingly strong and is resilient to play at cedh
What about Siona, Captain of the... Saw a primer for her (GW stax)