@@___________0Z0Xyou got a good point..I guess question is does TG have the strength to rip the games in half? Best way I see to scale strength wise is one main question...@ThunderGodTG how much do you bench?
It’s Asura. Like it’s funny that in GOW they’ll say “Oh we couldn’t make that scale of the feats” then Asura’s Wrath comes out and said “Hold my Vajra real quick” and cooked
Yea god of war fans are directly contradicted by asura's wrath and bayonetta The feats can be potrayed. It's just that god of war dont have many good feats
"Did gods piss you off too?" "Yup. You're fighting for your child too?" "Yup. Wanna slaughter a couple of gods?" "Yeah, sure. Just don't get in my way." On that day, #AngryDads made the gods tremble with fear, for there was no escaping the war bred from their wrath.
Do you think you could do a video on Dante and Vergil from DMC? Whenever I see videos on them I see people underestimate or overestimate them, I just wanna hear your thoughts on them
not really tbh, kratos also got 3 gamesw to grow and learn to fight the same gods, 3 games to fight them and asura does it all in 1, especially taking the norse gods into account it means that kronos or any greek god isn't the creator of the universe because the norse have their own creation myths as well. asura slaying the 7gods is similar to kratos killing all the olympians and norsegods, and im sure if there was more to fight then asura wouldve done the exact same. kratos has never directly fought anyone deemed the actual creator of everything, asura has. I think the video does a good job of explaining but failed to take into account that asura is trillions of times faster than the speed of light, the top speed most fans would give kratos is 600,000,000 mph which is fast, not as fast as asura, hoe could catch kratos off guard easily. the gnovels and director of the game said kratos is "faster than the speed of light" but has nothing to show we can calculate so it doesnt really matter, asura is physically more capable and the hax that kratos has dont mean much considering asura can move faster than those weapons can even act on him in the first place, especially with him going up against the actual crwator of everything it would mean kratos would go against creator of the titans, olympians, norse gods, and all of of other greek and norse mythos, they even say the christian god is in GOW so whoever created the christian god as well considerining he is supposed to be creator of everything, and everything all at once, kratos stands no chance despite how much i love him
What makes more sense to me is that there are infinite dimensions and realms but not overlapping with the norse dimensions. Think two pieces of paper you have all of the Greek dimensions and existence on one piece of paper, and on the second piece below it is the norse plane of existence with its own universes and infinite planes. They don't exist in the same world but separated on a cosmical or ethereal level least from what ive seen in lore.@firenze6478
@firenze6478 I was pretty certain the world was destroyed basically in gow 3 so really it doesn't make sense at all. None of it does now that I'm thinking about it a second time.
Once ur as powerful as these 2 feats are irrelevant tbh. Both could win depending on certain factors but ive played both games many many many time's and let me tell ya.. .Asura was far more impressive in what was actually achieved in game.
Actually asuras wrath is fully based on Hinduism like asura means "demon" in hindi and NARAKA means "hell" in hindi and there are many other things such as "chakravartin" is an hindu name and the simble of him is called "om". You can look up these thing on the internet.
From my research it seems to be a mix of Hindu/Buddhism, chakravartins name is based in Hindu you are correct on that, its translation is pretty cool. It takes aspects from both religions such as Nirvana and the Buddha and other stuff more based on Hindu.
That thumbnail is hard as fuck 🥶 Edit: and Asura has shown Infinite speed feats climbing the pillar of naraka and also defeated beings that have been stated to have immeasurable strength
Yeah the pillars aren’t stated to be endless we have no idea how far down they go + Kratos has infinite speed I mentioned in the vid I was keeping it finite and that there are higher metas
kratos' speed is said tlo be infinite and faster than the speed of light only by the creators and by novels and i think a couple of game characters, while the actual calculated speed by fans was only 600,000,000 mph, while asura is faster than the speed of light by trillions @@ThunderGodTG
Since my friends worked on this with you I'm almost obliged to give this watch time and views. I hate Naruto though so I'll probably just pop up for these game guy videos.
The whole "world" dialogue is really weird imo, at least in the English translation of things For a frame of reference of the dialogue I'm going off of: ua-cam.com/video/rhGyT1aOCO8/v-deo.htmlsi=kIG_NeQZZnSmVfEs&t=757 Chakaravartin says that Asura is the one to inherit "this world" and clarifies it as Gaea by saying "Gaea must be led by one of its own". Finally he goes on to say that he'll go onto other worlds to do basically the same thing he tried to do with Asura and Gaea - either implying Multiversal capability or going off of the prior sentences (which feels more accurate imo), simply going to other planets. Now it's obvious from the feats shown in being at the center of the Milky Way, surrounded by other galaxies, and Asura destroying stars with ease that the dialogue doesn't mean that the characters are merely planetary, just that it's slightly harder to 100% confirm Chakaravartin, and thereby Asura, as Universal. Now I still think they are, just that the dialogue in the English version at least is itself inconsistent on the term "world": either meaning universe or simply referring to Gaea and other planets
Yeah I agree the English version def makes it a bit weird. It makes sense in reference to Gaea it just seems that Chakravartin references remaking the Universe as world, along with Planet Earth. It just should be noted Japanese media’s and the language and generally are heavily based around context as opposed to raw definitions like English. So it’d be the likely Kanji for both with differing context. I do want to go through and confirm this through the Japanese version of the game as an update to this though just to be 100%
Lets put in a different perspective: Chakravartin VS Kratos Kratos is on earth and Chakravartin sits literally LIGHTYEARS away from earth - shooting gamma-burst, stars and whole planets on Kratos. How could Kratos defeat Chakravartin?
Exactly man, nowhere in any GOW media has it been shown that Kratos can breathe in space/literally cross distances between planets at all. Chak wouldn't even notice the man while effortlessly blowing apart the planet he's on with a yawn.
@@BaustisaRuiz What the fuck are you talking about? Thanatos has nothing to do with the creation of time and space. That's Chronos and Astraeus. However, to answer your question: Yes, Asura would stomp him. Asuras "wrath" literally defies the law of causality. He broke out at least 5 times of Naraka, which is the equivalent Hell. The only way to kill Asura was to kill the creator of the universe who established the status-quo of life-creation in the concept of mantra. Mantra is literally described as the source OF ALL LIFE. So, the only way to kill Asura for good, is by destroying the universal laws he operates in. And that's exactly what Asura did. His wrath is a force, capable of defying the Alpha and Omega.
It's based on connection to myths and some hyperbolic diologue Such as hercules lifting the world or thor harming the world tree Universe lv and beyond kratos is not valid in the slightest
I gave examples People say kratos is universe lv by scaling to hercules who lifted the world in place of altas In the god of war games Hercules more then likely never lifted the world But people assume he did cause the myths said so Ignoring the facts regarding the gow games
@@nagatouzumaki4047there’s several times where it’s stated that Hercules lifts the universe in gow. He also made a reference to it in gow3. There’s probably like 20+ universal and above feats in gow
Asura is my favorite smoke demon, but unfortunately Kratos gives him the business. Imagine if Asura had to fight an entire franchise of Chakravartins, that’s Kratos.
@@freeze_peachthe primordials did. They got defeated by cronos. Cronos was defeated by Zeus. Zeus was defeated by Kratos. Primordials < Cronos < Zeus < Kratos.
@@sugardady1019 those are regional feats only compared to asura. Meaning the primordials are the primordials of Greece only and not the creators of the whole universe in existence. The mythologies in god of war are co existing on the same earth having their own primordials and governing system it's been confirmed by the devs and the things that you mentioned only apply to the particular regional pantheon. So kratos is fighting countries not universes so when he killed the Olympians its like he killed politicians of a country lol.
asura has infinite speed because Naraka is infinite sized dimension and asura climbed out of it in finite amount of time so according to physics asura has infinite speed
When was the last time kratos punched a planet? When was the last time kratos went into space? When was the last time he killed the creator of the galaxy
"When was the last time kratos punched a planet?" *he has much higher feats than this and fought people who casually pull off planetary feats like poseidon, who shook the earth merely raising a fist in the novels and has dominion over all realms since he controls all seas. We also have Gaia creating continents with her breathe alone and raising mountain ranges while shaking the earth in her ichinose form. And Kratos shook thanatos domain, which is encompassed between the mortal world and the underworld.* "When was the last time kratos went to space?" *ares boss fight.* "When was the last time he killed the creator of the galaxy?" *cronos fought ouranus in cosmic battle proportions which is confirmed in gow 2 documentary and the novels, guidebooks is debatable since one says he ripped off ouranus privates, while the other says he just ripped it off. Either way, this was all after cronos fought him, creator and father of the universe.*
Im a a huge god of war fan but i will have to say asura wins this. Asura has done things grander than kratos. Battled gods and GOD of the universe in space. Sure god of war is a better game series but asura is too overpowered for kratos to handle. And yea kratos did not go to seperate earths the mythologies of god of war universe are located on the same earth. So kratos only ended a country when he ended the Greek pantheon.
GoW3 Kratos is likely to be low complex Multiversal, Due to scaling above his Norse self Who can battle beings that can damage the world tree, and threaten the nine realms, which are all stated to be higher dimensional
Before clicking on the video ik asura easily solos please read to the end and pin .Asura is MTFL+ and multi dimensional btw because in the fight against Chakravarten they break dimensions. Now let me explain because this probably sounds like im ridiculously glazing but i promise i am not let me explain, in a guidebook it states that Chakravarten was in the center of the milky way galaxy while fighting, when he shoots his light beams it takes 26 seconds to reach him and the distance between earth and the center of our galaxy is 25k lightyears doing some conversions we see the beam is moving 30 BILLIONS TIMES FASTER THAN LIGHT AND ASURA REACTS AND DODGES IT MULTIPLE TIMES THAT EASILY PUTS HIM MANY TIMES FASTER THAN LIGHT PLUS CONFIRMED plus as travels from earth to chakravarten THROWS MULTIPLE FREAKING PLANETS AND STARS AT HIM CONFIRMING ASURA IS EASILY MULTI STAR LEVEL BECAUSE HE EASILY PUNCHES THROUGH THE STARS. and dont even get me started ASURA REACHES THE CREATOR IN 277 SECONDS WHICH IS ABOUT 5 MINUTES HE TRAVELLED 25K FREAKING LIGHT YEARS IN 5 MINUTES DOING SOME SIMPLE CONVERSIONS WE SEE THAT HE WAS MOVING 2.8 BILLION TIMES FASTER THAN LIGHT WHICH SUPPORTS MY PREVIOUS STATEMENT ABOUT HIM REACTING TO THE BEAMS AND WHAT IS EVEN CRAZIER IS THAT NOT ONLY DID HE DO IT IN 5 MINUTES HE WAS BEING SLOWED DOWN!!!! we have to consider that he was being slowed down by multiple planets stars and a multi galaxy sized meteor along with the 30 BILLION TIMES FASTER THEN LIGHT beams THEN WHEN HE REACHES HIM HE DESTORYS IS AVATAR IN ONE PUNCH KEEP IN MIND HIS AVATAR WAS SO GIANT YOU COULD SEE IT CLEARLY 25K LIGHT YEARS AWAY WHICH MEANS asura litterly has multi galaxy AP considering chakaravarten made super galaxies look like the moon compared to jupiter next to him. He starts fighting chakaravarten and their fights break MULTIPLE DIMENSIONS THEN WHEN CHAKARAVARTEN TAKES ON HIS TRUE FORM CHAKARAVARTEN THE CREATOR HE EASILY ONE SHOTS THE MULTI DIMENSIONAL ASURA with one finger !!!AND KNOCKS HIM OUT OF HIS FORM BUT ASURA FREAKING GETS BACK UP AND HARNESSES ALL OF HIS WRATH TO THE POINT HE WAS KEEPING UP TO A BOUNDLESS ENTITY IN BASE FORM. yep you read that right BASE FORM then he gains enough power to one shot asura.
No Norse Kratos is confirmed to be stronger than before, he faces enemies that are confirmed to be stronger than his past ones too, and the cosmology is vastly greater in Norse.
@@Airmaster545 god of war is on the same earth which means all mythologies in the series are on the same earth self contained realities that have created their own bubble universes in their mythologies to keep it locked in so kratos is actually battling nations. This is actually confirmed by the devs themselves that all mythologies are co existing on the same earth in the series also in the comics there is an image showing kratos took a a boat to travel other areas and mythologies. The scaling of kratos is limited to only regional pantheons.
Kratos: Metaphorical Strength: Kratos' power often symbolizes his struggle against oppression, vengeance, and his own inner demons. Defeating gods represents overcoming personal limitations and societal structures. His rage embodies the unyielding will to confront his past and carve his own path. Literal Strength: Though not entirely absent, Kratos' physical feats, while impressive, tend to be within the realm of "superhuman" rather than reaching Asura's celestial levels. His Blades of Chaos and various weaponry provide him with tangible ways to exert his power, but it's often his resilience and determination that truly shine. Asura: Literal Strength: Asura's power is often presented in direct, literal terms. He punches planets, cleaves stars, and battles beings who manipulate galaxies. His strength is tangible and overwhelming, a direct consequence of his rage and transformations. Metaphorical Strength: While not as prominent as Kratos', Asura's journey also carries metaphorical weight. His rage stems from grief, betrayal, and the struggle for redemption. His growth represents the potential for overcoming immense hardship and finding purpose amidst suffering. Implications for their battle: Considering your observation, a clash between Kratos and Asura would likely be more than just a physical test of might. It could be a battle of will versus power, determination against raw strength, and the metaphorical against the literal. Kratos could capitalize on Asura's impulsiveness and emotional vulnerabilities, using his tactical skills and cunning to exploit weaknesses. Asura's sheer power could overwhelm Kratos in a direct confrontation, but his rage could also be his undoing if Kratos can find a way to manipulate it. Ultimately, the outcome might not be simply determined by who punches harder. It could depend on who can outwit, outlast, and overcome the deeper metaphorical conflicts fueling their rage.
This fight is similar to Superman vs The hulk, with Kratos being Superman, and Asura being the Hulk. Lemme explain, Superman is stronger than the Hulk in base form, but as the match progresses, The Hulk gets angrier and the angrier he gets the stronger he gets, and he will keep getting angrier and stronger until he gets to the level of superman, which is “infinitely strong”. At base form Kratos is stronger than Asura, but Asura gets stronger as the fight lasts, so if Kratos managed to end the fight as fast as possible (doesn’t have to be by killing Asura) he might win, but if it got so long, Asura will keep getting stronger and stronger and stronger until they both begin to destroy everything around them with their sheer strength and power. Another similar fight is Kratos vs Baldur. Baldur doesn’t get stronger the longer he fights, but he doesn’t feel any pain and doesn’t get tired at all, so he’s always fighting at his highest, and while Kratos (holding back) would get exhausted the longer the fight is, Baldur would be as energetic and fast as the fight started. It’s a different form but the same concept. Either one fighter gets weaker or the other one gets stronger. Edit: I’d also like to say Kratos also adapts to his opponent’s fighting style and strength. There are many examples on this ever since GOW ghost of sparta. Like when he let Deimos beat him and almost kill him just because he was completely holding back so he doesn’t kill another family member, he almost died and wasn’t barely capable of moving, that is until he saw that Deimos was in danger and almost fell of the cliff, he collected his strength as fast as hell, and quickly ran to save him, then he went on to fight Thanatos with him, and Deimos was the first ever companion to Kratos ina. GOW game before Atreus and Freya, and having a companion makes Kratos hold back his rage and power, and focus on cooperation more, it was on Deimos died, he burst out completely. Another example is like I said when he defeated Baldur in the first encounter, he barely was able to walk for two reasons: It has been 1000 years since he last fought a god. He was holding back drastically. it’s like, every time Kratos fights someone, he’s actually fighting his inner rage with him. However, in Ragnarok, after his first fight with Thor, he felt pain and held his ribs, but he ran quickly to go to Atreus who was with Odin. So, Kratos managed to collect his strength and endurance quickly just because someone he loved was in danger. In the second Thor fight, Kratos fighting style was way more effective, and he was avoiding all Thor’s moves with Mjolnir In the Heimdall fight, at first he was slowing strong and heavy punches, which Heimdall was able to dodge easily, so he kept making the punches lighter and quicker until he tagged him.
Asura destroys planets, stars and the god of mantra while Kratos remains on earth destroying gods and titans... Asura takes the dub. Asura's combat skills is far more superior than Kratos.
"Asura destroys planets, stars and the god of mantra" *all of which doesn't come close to ouranus, father of the universe. Who is way weaker than the Olympians btw.* "While kratos remains on earth destroying gods and titans" *common misconception. It's not like our earth persay. Cory elaborated on this further, "the 'actual' god of war's earth geography is the same as our real earth's. the only difference between the two is that within each geographical region, there exists a version of the universe with its dimensions and earth as inspired by the prevelant mythology and local belief system of the people living in that particular region."* thus making the patheons seperate multiverses. "Asura takes the dub." *no, not at all.* "Asuras combat skills is far more superior than kratos." *kratos is a spartan general who has trained throughout battlefields and combat with being the master of all weaponry vs an angry brute who has the interactive QTE cinematic movie where the plot demands you destroy a planet.*
That’s not how a multiverse works that would still be a universe. A universe operates threw space everything that exists physically. A multiverse operates thought time and potential, like the multiple worlds theory. and the Onmiverse operates threw everything that has every and will ever exist, in their own reality’s.
@zacharymattson43 *except each patheon is spatially and temporally divided and treated as it's own version of the universe including the realms which are confirmed to be infinite, thus making them universes aka a multiverse. You can have a multiverse in a non metaphorical sense, much like the MCU for example. And an omniverse is infinite multiverses, a multiverses is several universes in one huge cosmology.*
Personally? I think Kratos takes the W here's why: Strenght: Kratos, in Ragnarok, Kratos destroyed the world tree which transcends time itself that and he also beat beings that existed before time itself Speed: Debatable but i'm leaning for Kratos, you can make fair cases for both of them, like, Asura being able to crawl out of Naraka which is infinite in a finite amount of time and Kratos being able to beat Hermes who can dodge the light that covers the sun, why am i leaning for Kratos? Because of what i mentioned earlier that he beat beings who existed before time itself I'll give you this guys, if Kratos is able to angry Asura enough (which if we're considering it's a chance encounter i highly doubt it since he doesn't have a reason to hate Kratos like he hates the enemies of his own game and honestly even if it does happen it would take an awful amount of time for it to happen, if Kratos doesn't take Asura out before that) he could cause Kratos some trouble, but if we're giving Kratos all of his gear i can see him winning, but if not then i can somewhat see Asura winning (though i still have my doubts about that)
@@Unknown93736 he absolutely does not. Even the feats in this video for kratos are above asuras and he isn’t even using the actual mid ball kratos feats
Can't (can) wait for the death battle, also good vid last time mentioning death battle but whoever wins in that fight it really doesn't matter for me they're both fictional characters
He didn’t want to get into detail there cuz it took much time in the video and the stat difference isn’t massive, both are higher dimensional both destroy universes with their timespace which is 4D, both cross infinite sized realms, both can move in zero time or timeless realms so they are close in stats. If you think Kratos or Asura isn’t this strong then you’re just an ignorant moron.
Ya know I got a huge like story board planned for such an encounter (kratos, boy and gang meet/ deal with sun wukong) kratos being the the muscle of course holding wukong off/ fucking him up when he does get the chances while Atreus, mimir, and Freya possibly even Tyr assisting if finding a way to put the monkey king down for good (ie Atreus writing Sun Wukongs name back down in the book of the dead, and or getting the loison from the scorpion that threatened budha himself.
I could go further in detail, however I believe the fight would require kratos giving his absolute all to stop wukong but then as he gets his rythm going wukong would get excited then try himself leading to Kratos making some form of exception abputbletting hisnpast live again as he may need it to stand a chance against a crazed unethical sociopathic monkey god. Kratos then actually being the second the harm wukong besides Buddha himself which leads to an even more intense fight. Atreus and crew are still searching and or have discovered ways to put him down for good, ( personally would love a feature where statues of wukong get more and more cracked the more serious and closer to death wukong himself becomes).
Obviously steming from Atreus trying to be cocky and one uping his father from his past and facing the esteemed wukong just to get himself hurt and kratos serious
i’ll say if kratos has his arsenal of weapons then yeah he could probably have a good chance of beating asura, but if it’s just hand to hand i’m taking asura😭😭
A) I mentioned I’m gonna keep it finite for this vid as both characters have higher metas B) I also mention Kratos has a ton more hax and that I was trying to keep it to what was the most problematic for Asura I don’t need to go into depth on stat amplification, energy manipulation, etc. as it’s just not as relevant to the focused discussion
Well, kratos despite once having all his old magic and gear doesn't use it in the norse saga, outside of like the blades of chaos. So he doesnt have any of the fancy spells, no boots if hermes, no claws of hades. I'd hinestly say GoW 3 kratos has a better chance of beating Asura than Ragnarok kratos. But like thats just from my PoV. Like as far as were aware, he got rid of the blade of olympus and 99 percent of all the stuff he got from the gods in the Greek saga. You'd need a composite version of kratos to stand a chance against asura tbh.
You forget that 1. Ragnarok Kratos is much stronger than his younger self with the POH and all his magic, 2. Kratos was strong enough to punch holes into reality and open dimensions and close them while fighting (novels), 3. Kratos scales above beings that damaged the world tree that is above all of creation/contains all of creation, 4. Statements HEAVILY upscale Kratos to the point that he scales above Asura, 5. We can’t really exclude all of Kratos’s items just because he doesn’t have it in Ragnarok + he has better items in Ragnarok anyways. Asura has more feats but Kratos has better statements which is still valid in scaling him. So honestly, Ragnarok Kratos could also beat Asura without all the Greek magic and weapons, considering he also has a better loadout in Ragnarok. Anyways, I don’t know if you were comparing versions, or if this wasn’t your point, but I’m just explaining how Kratos would beat Asura regardless of whether we use him in Ragnarok or him with all his magic and weapons in the Greek realm
@@Devilchylde saying DOOMSLAYER needs guns is a really dumb statement LMAO. Gameplay and lore are very different and DOOMSLAYER killing the creator of everything at the end of Eternal’s DLC is a way greater feat of power.
an Armless Asura would body him and thats *if he didnt die from being to close to them* he dies to lava and gets stopped by a puny temple falling on him from chist sakes the dude needs guys and only fought a NERFED god
@@weskintime4177 To be fair his Guns are not weak just the fandom thinks he uses them to nerf himself when Hugo confirms he amps his weapons and if you read the lore of guns even guns like the combat shotgun uses argent energy for the burst shot, the metal of the UAC can contain argent energy, and Argent energy is extra dimensional energy so the weapons scale to it. But Doomslayer is relative in power to peak Kratos, they both scale to massive cosmological structures that transcends time and space many times over, Asura doesn’t stand a chance against either one’s peak.
It will come down to doom slayer vs asura. Kratos does not belong in convo honestly his feats haven't gone beyond regional level while asura and doomslayer have. Its going to be good fight I will have to say it will be asura who wins cause he does not depend on extra weapons to fight god like beings and can also regenerate his body parts. If ur taking all forms of asura then doomslayer is finished hes got no chance against destructor asura who's size is bigger than the earth and killed the creator of his universe who was almost the size of solar system throwing planets suns and stars at him. Its asura who wins.
I think there is a fair shout that Chakravartin was potentially low multiversal too. Namely, he also controlled Naraka. If Chakravartin wanted to remake everything, I could reasonably see that including Naraka too. Naraka certainly seems to be another realm/dimension. That'd mean Asura also scales to low multiversal.
Actually Death battle has revealed a teaser trailer for that matchup, but it's a older version which means he has a better chance over him and you forgot to mention about the weakness which The elements, and kratos's Leviathan Axe is Ice-Based weapon which gives him the edge reply that again. Eats girls will be included so don't count him out just yet
Kratos's biggest advantage is the curse placed on him by Thanatos, which makes it so he can't die. If something occurs that would kill him fate itself alters to save his life. Importent question though: How would Asura do against Goku?
Kratos at base is already several leagues above asura stat wise, even if the fight lasts long kratos would certainly be able to contain him with his power of hope. The fight would be good but itd be like baldur while baldur was able to feel, ina way crazed furious rush. Asura would surprise kratos with a few things but kratos would completely flip the script on its head and cut him out of the equation. The cosmologies are also worth mentioning considering the the primordials that created the universe did so just by fighting and everyone past them is considerably stronger cause the titans literally nutured and burthered their parents, then the olympians doing the same to the titans. Zeus being able to one shot his brother hades and poseidon also make a loint on how busted kratos is, along with fighting beingings capable of splintering infinite 5D+ structures, eating entire concepts/feelings and an entire season. Kratos is dealing with beingings that could sneeze and violently rip the universe at its core. Zues himself when aggravated shouted and shook three entire universes.
@@cloudboysmusic5223 I mean I'm not wrong, everything asura has dealt with was covered and under Kratos by the time the second game came out, their arnt similarities between the two universes due to the most basic of mobs in GoW being able to class and create existences not being literal here just saying the basic head honchos are already uni-uni+
@@vlbinladen3019 id disagree tho I'm sure in a situation where the two would fight kratos and asura would certainly cease due to incapable of either putting the other down and or (which is more likely, due to how kratos talks mid fight) kratos simply putting the fight down for good with a few swift shots and a certain powerful line like their is no need to fight any longer I'm sure we align in beliefs and we fight a common foe, ourselves.
The feats of the Norse Gods and cosmology does not scale to Greek Gods or GoW3 Kratos, the new games confirm that enemies are stronger than he’s faced before and energy types or magic are beyond what he’s faced before, the only impressive thing noted for Greek is their abilities. Greek Gods and the cosmology is just Low Multiversal at best, there are a few infinite sized universes separated by timespace only Power of Hope Kratos scales to it all her in base he’s still upscaling other Gods who are universal+ to low multi. This is only taking Greek Era Kratos not Norse.
Also let me add something in for Kratos he was able to flip the 9 realms with just his strength and he splintered the world tree which is all of creation itself
Well, a lot people just underrated Asura pretty much, and overestimate Kratos. Let's start with Kratos, he is stronger than Uranus, who created the universe, including many bodies of universal size and the space-time continuum (this is probably the best thing that Kratos showed). The Temple of Tyr was created by mortals after the existence of the nine worlds. The Temple of Tyr does not contain the 9 worlds, it is in them, and this is what Mimir means when he says that he is rooted in all the worlds. Freya claims that the tree inside the Temple of Tyr is just an image of Yggdrasil and is not even a real tree, meaning that it is not infinite. There is no Yggdrasil in the Temple of Tyr. That's why Kratos never raised or damaged the 9 Multiverses or anything like that. The Temple of Tyr is used as a portal-gate rather than a door, and does not contain the 9 worlds. For the Temple of Tyr to truly contain 9 worlds, the Temple of Tyr would have to be the only way to cross the worlds, however in Ragnarok Mimir states that Odin sent enemies through the worlds using the sky. Again, Kratos cannot raise 9 Multiverses, this is nonsense and contradicts everything that is shown in the games. Kratos is not physically stronger than Atlas, if someone thinks that slightly moving the fingers of Atlas, who did not even really try to kill Kratos, proves that Kratos is Stronger than Atlas? Of course not, this is nonsense. Kratos did not defeat death and did not become death himself, although Thanatos was in space beyond dimensions, there is no indication that Thanatos himself is at such a level, the sphere of death, as mentioned, transcends dimensions, but is still only located within Greek mythology , which is a direct contradiction since Greek mythology itself is a dimension, but probably implies a pocket dimension. Kingdoms of infinite size in any mythology are infinite only in relation to their mythology (for example Yggdrasil). The 9 worlds aren't universes, they're different planets, so yes, GOW doesn't just take place on Earth and in dimensions on Earth, but it's still the main location. About Jormungandr the World Serpent and Atlas, who raises the heavens. To everyone who wants to say that Jormungandr flew around the whole world, no, this is not true, even in GOW Kratos said that this is just an exaggeration. Well, Kratos’ speed is infinite only potentially; traveling through an infinite world does not mean that you have infinite speed; the Uroborus amulet only affects objects, and not something living. So he was not ahead of time (because Kratos cannot overtake time, which means he is not faster than infinity), but in principle it is possible to prove Kratos' infinite speed, for example, Atropos has infinite speed, and Kratos killed her by making his speed infinite. The Underworld, although there are reasons for the fact that it is infinite, is still implied to be infinite, and the light that covered the entire underworld has infinite speed, Hercules evaded such light, and Kratos does not lag behind it. Because yes, Kratos can, in principle, have infinite speed. Now Asura, I’ll say right away that Asuri has immunity to the manipulation of reality, time, space, soul and mind, therefore he does not need all the most powerful artifacts of Kratos, only protective artifacts and artifacts with additional damage to the enemy or increasing one’s own powers are useful: for example, manipulation ice, fire, water, lightning, creating explosions from souls, etc. Everything else will not help Kratos, but what is there will help prolong the fight. As for Asuri's powers, the list of his abilities is as follows: Regeneration, Energy Manipulation, Invulnerability, Pain Tolerance, Resurrection, Resistance to Existence Erasure, Resistance to Soul Manipulation, Resistance to Time Manipulation, Resistance to Petrification, Resistance to Fate Manipulation and Plot Manipulation, Resistance to Time Manipulation, Durability Denial . Also, Asura himself can Manipulate the soul. In a word, Asura calmly ignores all of Kratos’ most powerful abilities. Asura defeated Chakravartin, Chakravartin is the almighty God who created the whole world. Chakravartin created Naraku, the limitless world between life and death. Chakravartin also created many worlds (universes), in a word, he created the Multiverse (other Universes can be seen in the battle between Chakravartin and Asuri). If it seems to you that Chakravarti is only at the universal level, then this is not so, we have Gokhma Vlitra. He is stated to have limitless power both in the game and in the lore. The game clearly states that Vlitri’s level of power is incommensurable and limitless, which already puts her at the Highest Universal level. But Vlitra is only the creation of Chakravartin, Chakravartin cannot beat on the same level with his creation. Chakravartin himself stated that he created many worlds/universes that form the Multiverse, with the space of Naraka, that exist between life and death, while he is able to create the purpose of change by force of will. Asura moved in stopped time, making his speed infinite. Asura shattered reality and destroyed Naraka (infinite dimension). Kratos is maximum at the Multiverse level ( which is a huge hyperbole and Kratos ), but Asura at the same level and possibly Multiverse+. Both at infinite speed. But Asura will constantly become stronger, so Kratos will not be able to win. The battle will not be easy, but Asura will defeat Kratos ( but I must admit, it will be a hard battle for Kratos, while Asura will have a little fun )
@@nagatouzumaki4047Thor splintering the world tree which transcends time and space aka a 5th dimension scale which is far above anything asura has done and that was one feat I mentioned. Edit: I know it wasn’t mentioned in the video but I thought I should bring it up anyway to show kratos massively out scales asura
The fact that Kratos is immune to fate also proves he's unkillable like Asura. What sets Kratos apart is he's like superman.... That plot armor is insane. Kratos is as strong as he needs to be whereas Asura was shown to have to adapt to his foes over time. Asura wasn't shown to be able to adapt to true "infinite strength. Kratos was shown to over power Atlas a being holding the UNIVERSE which is INFINITE in itself and constantly growing and expanding at the rate of about 41.9 miles per second per megaparsec (a distance equivalent to 3.26 million light-years) and that was in GOW 1 -GOW 3. If you go with GOD 4 and 5 then you would know Kratos was Vastly more powerful in 4 and 5 While fighting the Norse Gods, in which Odin was said to be far more powerful then Zeus by game designers, and the Norse gods are in a different universe within the GOW multiverse which is the reason the game designers said GOW 4 and 5 were not continuations of what took place in Greece. Remember kratos destroyed the greek universe, and gods of the norse Pantheon says that Kratos is a god from a different world entirely from their own. Kratos brought that same plot armor over from the Greece universe which is why balder, Thor, Odin and the others had a difficult time with him. Also it was said thor was actually vastly superior to Zeus by game designers, so kratos as mentioned is far above the Greek primordial gods in terms of power. Kratos raw power is just way to OP and vast for Asura to adapt and overcome. Especially against someone with plot armor that's on par with Superman. Being as powerful as you need to be no matter the opposition, even going as far as to cheat fate, and the kill Gods over fate itself is just way to much for Asura.
Oof. Asuras "wrath" literally defies the law of causality. His plot armour is basically: as long as my daughter is held in captivity, i will not stop until i rescued her". The only way to kill Asura was to kill the creator of the universe who established the status-quo of life-creation in the concept of mantra. Mantra is literally described as the source OF ALL LIFE. So, the only way to kill Asura for good, is by destroying the universal laws he operates in. And that's exactly what Asura did. His wrath is a force, capable of defying the Alpha and Omega. Funny enough, the fundamental source of Asuras "wrath" is basically the concept of "tyranny". It's his nature being full of "wrath", because somewhere always a tyrannical ruler exists. This point is crucial, especially against Kratos. Asura could never utilise his "wrath" against old Kratos, who is trying to redeem himself of his tyrannical past.
You have UA-cam Right? Just look up "how Powerful is Krato's in GOW" Sending links to prove a point to people that barely respond is something I'm not gonna do. You got fingers, a brain, and computer.... Put them to work
@@hyattwb you're the one who made the claim, so it's up to you, the person who personally already has at least some awareness of where the quote can be seen, to prove it, otherwise you're just saying something. I've seen a quite a few videos on the strength of Kratos and, strange enough, none of them have links in the description to where anyone says that Odin is more powerful than Zeus
All of those feats only apply to only his pantheon which are regional in the god of war universe a self contained realm of mythology located on the same earth as other mythologies which means kratos is battling countries in the series. Asura well destroyed planets, suns, stars flies around space in seconds killed gods and god of his universe. The guy can regenerate his body parts. Plus disadvantage for kratos is asura can absorb others rage to himself which means the more angry kratos gets the more infinite powerful and strong asura gets. Kratos has power of hope asura got the mantra of belief. Love kratos but hate to say it all round kratos is F ed lol.
@@predatorhunter3169 get asura above 3D😭. Transcending space-time is auto 4D while comp AW is barely uni. Chakra debunked the idea he even made the universe in AW in the final boss fight.
@@Lifegotmid Ok let me put it this way. Let's say character A can bust a planet and move at the speed of light but can't lift even a building whereas character B can barely bust a city is massively hypersonic but can lift an entire mountain. Who do you think would win that fight? The guy who can lift a mountain?
Gaming's strongest? Its neither of these guys. Its actually the Doom Slayer that is the strongest, although these two are definitely 2nd and 3rd strongest.
The problems in calculating Kratos' speed lie in how his battle with the Sisters of Fate was shown. We don't see how fast the Sisters are. But even if Kratos is so fast. Then Asura can withstand his attacks and will keep up with him himself and they will be equal
Asuras "wrath" literally defies the law of causality. His plot armour is basically: "As long as my daughter is held in captivity, i will not stop until i rescued her. Doesn't matter who i am facing." The only way to kill Asura was to kill the creator of the universe who established the status-quo of life-creation in the concept of mantra. Mantra is literally described as the source OF ALL LIFE. So, the only way to kill Asura for good, is by destroying the universal laws he operates in. And that's exactly what Asura did. His wrath is a force, capable of defying the Alpha and Omega. Funny enough, the fundamental source of Asuras "wrath" is basically the concept of "tyranny". It's his nature being full of "wrath", because somewhere always a tyrannical ruler exists. This point is crucial, especially against Kratos. Asura could never utilise his "wrath" against old Kratos, who is trying to redeem himself of his tyrannical past.
Hey tg ive got a quick question for you about your opinion. Ive seen people say that odin is comparable to zues which by extension scaled thor and the other norse gods below zues. Whats your opinion on the greek gods verses the norse gods. Also great video.
I used to be pro Norse but, after the Valhalla DLC the Greek stuff is able to stay continually relevant especially when you tie in director statements and such, so I think it’s all kinda comparable with characters like Fear Zeus and POH Kratos clearly being at the top of the verse.
@ThunderGodTG I have yet to see the Valhalla stuff yet, so I'm not sure what stuff you are referring to, but thank you for letting me know what you think. I always thought that old Kratos was stronger than end of gow3 Kratos, to be fair though I haven't done any calcs or anything to confirm or contradict that thought. Idk I might just have some recency bias here, again, thank you for your opinion.
What a terrible attempt to head canon these characters. You don't need to do all this when it's very obviously clear that every single being in kratos' verse would lose simultaneously if Asura just decided to punch the Earth really hard and blow every single god to kingdom come. Kratos' feats in terms of raw power and speed do not come anywhere close to Asura, otherwise we would see Kratos throwing planets at the gods or launching them into outer space. I'd scale Kratos at mountain - city level in terms of actual durability & damage and if I'm being SUPER generous to your headcanon country/continent-level, and in the low mach range at best with Helios' boots. Kratos might have better hacks than Asura, but that doesn't matter if you are vaporized from existence before you even have time to react. You shouldn't be debating whether or not a max power Kratos could beat a max power Asura, he cant - you should be trying to debate at which stage along Asura's journey could Kratos beat him, and I think anything beyond Asura before the betrayal is an uphill battle for him. There are certainly no opportunities after he defeats Wyzen. As a side-note, I'm pretty sure the sisters of fate aren't micro-calculating every single thread at once, it's more like adjusting trajectories here and there; they're in the control room but not flipping every single buttom simultaneously otherwise Kratos would not have been able to even approach them. We have an example of how if they actually DID comprehend all of it at once in the new games with the nornir who simply just know what Kratos will do and know that he will not attack them, and without fail there are numerous beings including Kratos' wife who outright knew what would happen from the very beginning - in effect, they were never in danger in the first place. If this was the case the sisters of fate would not even have to attack or defend themselves against Kratos. So, no; Kratos is not blitzing around FTL. By the way, just because primordials and titans are capable of vast reality-altering feats does not mean that directly translates to combat ability.
Soon as you said “173628474 quinitillion times the speed of light” I knew power scaling is the worst thing that happened to fiction 😂 wha does that even mean
@@ThunderGodTG I know but stuff like quintillion speed of light just like what the heck?😂 that’s like unfathomable. Like color doesn’t even exist at this point. Are there even protons at that speed anymore 😂
Before clicking on the video ik asura easily solos please read to the end and pin .Asura is MTFL+ and multi dimensional btw because in the fight against Chakravarten they break dimensions. Now let me explain because this probably sounds like im ridiculously glazing but i promise i am not let me explain, in a guidebook it states that Chakravarten was in the center of the milky way galaxy while fighting, when he shoots his light beams it takes 26 seconds to reach him and the distance between earth and the center of our galaxy is 25k lightyears doing some conversions we see the beam is moving 30 BILLIONS TIMES FASTER THAN LIGHT AND ASURA REACTS AND DODGES IT MULTIPLE TIMES THAT EASILY PUTS HIM MANY TIMES FASTER THAN LIGHT PLUS CONFIRMED plus as travels from earth to chakravarten THROWS MULTIPLE FREAKING PLANETS AND STARS AT HIM CONFIRMING ASURA IS EASILY MULTI STAR LEVEL BECAUSE HE EASILY PUNCHES THROUGH THE STARS. and dont even get me started ASURA REACHES THE CREATOR IN 277 SECONDS WHICH IS ABOUT 5 MINUTES HE TRAVELLED 25K FREAKING LIGHT YEARS IN 5 MINUTES DOING SOME SIMPLE CONVERSIONS WE SEE THAT HE WAS MOVING 2.8 BILLION TIMES FASTER THAN LIGHT WHICH SUPPORTS MY PREVIOUS STATEMENT ABOUT HIM REACTING TO THE BEAMS AND WHAT IS EVEN CRAZIER IS THAT NOT ONLY DID HE DO IT IN 5 MINUTES HE WAS BEING SLOWED DOWN!!!! we have to consider that he was being slowed down by multiple planets stars and a multi galaxy sized meteor along with the 30 BILLION TIMES FASTER THEN LIGHT beams THEN WHEN HE REACHES HIM HE DESTORYS IS AVATAR IN ONE PUNCH KEEP IN MIND HIS AVATAR WAS SO GIANT YOU COULD SEE IT CLEARLY 25K LIGHT YEARS AWAY WHICH MEANS asura litterly has multi galaxy AP considering chakaravarten made super galaxies look like the moon compared to jupiter next to him. He starts fighting chakaravarten and their fights break MULTIPLE DIMENSIONS THEN WHEN CHAKARAVARTEN TAKES ON HIS TRUE FORM CHAKARAVARTEN THE CREATOR HE EASILY ONE SHOTS THE MULTI DIMENSIONAL ASURA with one finger !!!AND KNOCKS HIM OUT OF HIS FORM BUT ASURA FREAKING GETS BACK UP AND HARNESSES ALL OF HIS WRATH TO THE POINT HE WAS KEEPING UP TO A BOUNDLESS ENTITY IN BASE FORM. yep you read that right BASE FORM then he gains enough power to one shot asura.
@@Airmaster545 and I hope you know that only cause you are 1010191991019292929292939393939 times faster than light you are still only mftl+ that’s not even infinite
@@Devilchylde yeah if hes mad 👀 and even then like xeno goku can nerf him he can also just like do the same thing his whole thing is getting stronger in a fight not only that bro is getting one shot before anything happens using your logic saitama beats asura or, dragon ball z broly beats asura like bro no
@@dylanblack8714 I never said Kratos was weaker than Asura so don’t put words into my mouth dumbass I am Carnifex I did the asura scaling and my friend Edgard helped with the GoW scaling, I know GoW pretty well myself and I know Kratos at his best stomps yet different versions can be debatable like here, Norse Kratos is a literal dimensional tier higher than asura I’m not that dumb lol
God of War scaling is down the drain after ragnarok most high tier gaming characters are multiversal with no limit on their powers (apart from stamina) Kratos can't see powers from Greece. So even if she was omnipotent it would only be in that universe
It was stated at least by Freya’s wisdom, that magic is connected to the Earth, and when Kratos destroyed Greece and more specifically, killed Gaea, The Primordial Earth itself, all his magic must have gone away with her death
Kratos is not universe lv. He's large building to city lv Asura's wrath is easily planet lv and argubly galaxy lv going by chakravarin's size Kratos fights statues and titans who hold giant temples where asura fights people who throw planets around
Ideologically Asura wins hands down. They both get their power from rage however Kratos actively works to suppress this rage claiming “being a dad makes him stronger” while Asura embraces the rage to the fullest extent of his power and is also a father so #TeamAsura don’t cater to dumb PC ideology and maybe your character won’t be so weak.
TG vs Asura and Kratos...let's talk about it
ThunderGod: “Nah I’ll Win”
Well, considering that Thunder God is real, he will just rip the games in half.
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@@ThunderGodTGGabriel Belmont from lords of shadow solos both
@@___________0Z0Xyou got a good point..I guess question is does TG have the strength to rip the games in half?
Best way I see to scale strength wise is one main question...@ThunderGodTG how much do you bench?
Asura is literally just Guts but as a demi-god. With his super power being THESE HANDS
Not to mention they got the same hair
It’s Asura. Like it’s funny that in GOW they’ll say “Oh we couldn’t make that scale of the feats” then Asura’s Wrath comes out and said “Hold my Vajra real quick” and cooked
Yea god of war fans are directly contradicted by asura's wrath and bayonetta
The feats can be potrayed. It's just that god of war dont have many good feats
@@Devilchylde huh?
Asura's wrath was financial flop and even in the first game we have a galaxy level feat so idk why y'all complaining
@@_tmaa_ what? Anyways
@@BlaxkSun Did you not play GOW 1? when you fight Ares he creates a galaxy which is blatantly shown on screen. If that's not a cosmic feat then idk
"Did gods piss you off too?"
"Yup. You're fighting for your child too?"
"Yup. Wanna slaughter a couple of gods?"
"Yeah, sure. Just don't get in my way."
On that day, #AngryDads made the gods tremble with fear, for there was no escaping the war bred from their wrath.
Meanwhile…
“Wait, I have a child?” - Vergil
Do you think you could do a video on Dante and Vergil from DMC? Whenever I see videos on them I see people underestimate or overestimate them, I just wanna hear your thoughts on them
I have a DMC3 Vergil vs Sasuke on the channel if you want something immodestly I’ll def have a solo vid in the future
not really tbh, kratos also got 3 gamesw to grow and learn to fight the same gods, 3 games to fight them and asura does it all in 1, especially taking the norse gods into account it means that kronos or any greek god isn't the creator of the universe because the norse have their own creation myths as well. asura slaying the 7gods is similar to kratos killing all the olympians and norsegods, and im sure if there was more to fight then asura wouldve done the exact same. kratos has never directly fought anyone deemed the actual creator of everything, asura has. I think the video does a good job of explaining but failed to take into account that asura is trillions of times faster than the speed of light, the top speed most fans would give kratos is 600,000,000 mph which is fast, not as fast as asura, hoe could catch kratos off guard easily. the gnovels and director of the game said kratos is "faster than the speed of light" but has nothing to show we can calculate so it doesnt really matter, asura is physically more capable and the hax that kratos has dont mean much considering asura can move faster than those weapons can even act on him in the first place, especially with him going up against the actual crwator of everything it would mean kratos would go against creator of the titans, olympians, norse gods, and all of of other greek and norse mythos, they even say the christian god is in GOW so whoever created the christian god as well considerining he is supposed to be creator of everything, and everything all at once, kratos stands no chance despite how much i love him
Asura fighting universal gods, kratos fighting worldly gods
Not even worldly. They have all carved out sections of the world and don’t effect each other’s domains
What makes more sense to me is that there are infinite dimensions and realms but not overlapping with the norse dimensions. Think two pieces of paper you have all of the Greek dimensions and existence on one piece of paper, and on the second piece below it is the norse plane of existence with its own universes and infinite planes. They don't exist in the same world but separated on a cosmical or ethereal level least from what ive seen in lore.@firenze6478
@@ordinaryguy2623 yeah, but kratos sailed on a wooden boat from the greece world to the norse, so it can clearly be reached via normal means
@firenze6478 magical boat... sailed through hyper space... I'm jk but lore is complicated in these games.
@firenze6478 I was pretty certain the world was destroyed basically in gow 3 so really it doesn't make sense at all. None of it does now that I'm thinking about it a second time.
yo FINALLLY I've been waiting for this for a YEAR BRO 😭😭😭
I don't know much about either series but I enjoyed the video
My man ✊🏻🔥
Watching this while I’m sick is exactly what I needed to get better.
Sad to hear that, feel better!
@@ThunderGodTG thanks man. and I appreciate the well wishes.
Once ur as powerful as these 2 feats are irrelevant tbh. Both could win depending on certain factors but ive played both games many many many time's and let me tell ya.. .Asura was far more impressive in what was actually achieved in game.
Actually asuras wrath is fully based on Hinduism like asura means "demon" in hindi and NARAKA means "hell" in hindi and there are many other things such as "chakravartin" is an hindu name and the simble of him is called "om". You can look up these thing on the internet.
From my research it seems to be a mix of Hindu/Buddhism, chakravartins name is based in Hindu you are correct on that, its translation is pretty cool. It takes aspects from both religions such as Nirvana and the Buddha and other stuff more based on Hindu.
That thumbnail is hard as fuck 🥶
Edit: and Asura has shown Infinite speed feats climbing the pillar of naraka and also defeated beings that have been stated to have immeasurable strength
Naraka has an endless amount of pillars the pillars themselves aren't endless
Yeah the pillars aren’t stated to be endless we have no idea how far down they go + Kratos has infinite speed I mentioned in the vid I was keeping it finite and that there are higher metas
kratos' speed is said tlo be infinite and faster than the speed of light only by the creators and by novels and i think a couple of game characters, while the actual calculated speed by fans was only 600,000,000 mph, while asura is faster than the speed of light by trillions @@ThunderGodTG
Since my friends worked on this with you I'm almost obliged to give this watch time and views. I hate Naruto though so I'll probably just pop up for these game guy videos.
I respect it✊🏻 appreciate the watch 👌🏻 hoping to get out a lot more gaming vids in the future👍🏻
@@ThunderGodTG And I'll take it a step further. Check this shit out.
Hey! I appreciate the tag! Thanks for the support and sub my man
He’s got some Baki stuff too.
The whole "world" dialogue is really weird imo, at least in the English translation of things
For a frame of reference of the dialogue I'm going off of:
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Chakaravartin says that Asura is the one to inherit "this world" and clarifies it as Gaea by saying "Gaea must be led by one of its own". Finally he goes on to say that he'll go onto other worlds to do basically the same thing he tried to do with Asura and Gaea - either implying Multiversal capability or going off of the prior sentences (which feels more accurate imo), simply going to other planets.
Now it's obvious from the feats shown in being at the center of the Milky Way, surrounded by other galaxies, and Asura destroying stars with ease that the dialogue doesn't mean that the characters are merely planetary, just that it's slightly harder to 100% confirm Chakaravartin, and thereby Asura, as Universal. Now I still think they are, just that the dialogue in the English version at least is itself inconsistent on the term "world": either meaning universe or simply referring to Gaea and other planets
Yeah I agree the English version def makes it a bit weird. It makes sense in reference to Gaea it just seems that Chakravartin references remaking the Universe as world, along with Planet Earth.
It just should be noted Japanese media’s and the language and generally are heavily based around context as opposed to raw definitions like English. So it’d be the likely Kanji for both with differing context. I do want to go through and confirm this through the Japanese version of the game as an update to this though just to be 100%
Tbh, this settles the debate who wins and stuff very well, good job
Capcom made ryu and akuma strong enough to fight asura and not die right away
For no reason lmao
They have the noncanon plot armor on them
Lets put in a different perspective:
Chakravartin VS Kratos
Kratos is on earth and Chakravartin sits literally LIGHTYEARS away from earth - shooting gamma-burst, stars and whole planets on Kratos.
How could Kratos defeat Chakravartin?
Exactly man, nowhere in any GOW media has it been shown that Kratos can breathe in space/literally cross distances between planets at all.
Chak wouldn't even notice the man while effortlessly blowing apart the planet he's on with a yawn.
Can the trash overrated asura beat thanatos god of death created Time of space
@@BaustisaRuiz What the fuck are you talking about? Thanatos has nothing to do with the creation of time and space.
That's Chronos and Astraeus.
However, to answer your question: Yes, Asura would stomp him.
Asuras "wrath" literally defies the law of causality. He broke out at least 5 times of Naraka, which is the equivalent Hell.
The only way to kill Asura was to kill the creator of the universe who established the status-quo of life-creation in the concept of mantra. Mantra is literally described as the source OF ALL LIFE.
So, the only way to kill Asura for good, is by destroying the universal laws he operates in. And that's exactly what Asura did.
His wrath is a force, capable of defying the Alpha and Omega.
@@ariesperez449 the. Ares boss fight and the spark of the world negate your claim.
@@ariesperez449🤡
Asura easily wins.
Kratos lacks the insane feats of asura's wrath.
Address the arguments
It's based on connection to myths and some hyperbolic diologue
Such as hercules lifting the world or thor harming the world tree
Universe lv and beyond kratos is not valid in the slightest
@@nagatouzumaki4047 prove literally any of that
I gave examples
People say kratos is universe lv by scaling to hercules who lifted the world in place of altas
In the god of war games
Hercules more then likely never lifted the world
But people assume he did cause the myths said so
Ignoring the facts regarding the gow games
@@nagatouzumaki4047there’s several times where it’s stated that Hercules lifts the universe in gow. He also made a reference to it in gow3. There’s probably like 20+ universal and above feats in gow
Asura is my favorite smoke demon, but unfortunately Kratos gives him the business. Imagine if Asura had to fight an entire franchise of Chakravartins, that’s Kratos.
You guys inflate Kratos' feats because you claim that Zues created the universe when that was clearly not true going by GoW lore.
None of Krato's opponents compare to Chakravartin, lol.
GOW fans only know 1 series as usual
maybe you only played gow or it was one of your first games thats why you are so biased. accept the truth and widen your thoughts
@@freeze_peachthe primordials did. They got defeated by cronos. Cronos was defeated by Zeus. Zeus was defeated by Kratos.
Primordials < Cronos < Zeus < Kratos.
@@sugardady1019 those are regional feats only compared to asura. Meaning the primordials are the primordials of Greece only and not the creators of the whole universe in existence. The mythologies in god of war are co existing on the same earth having their own primordials and governing system it's been confirmed by the devs and the things that you mentioned only apply to the particular regional pantheon. So kratos is fighting countries not universes so when he killed the Olympians its like he killed politicians of a country lol.
I guess your O button couldn’t handle the raw power of these two bro.😺
asura has infinite speed because Naraka is infinite sized dimension and asura climbed out of it in finite amount of time so according to physics asura has infinite speed
*he climbed on the pillars, which aren't infinite, the amounts of them are. And naraka has stated to be endless, not infinite.*
Truly a match up of angry men that will if given reason will punch u in ur face😊
When was the last time kratos punched a planet? When was the last time kratos went into space? When was the last time he killed the creator of the galaxy
"When was the last time kratos punched a planet?"
*he has much higher feats than this and fought people who casually pull off planetary feats like poseidon, who shook the earth merely raising a fist in the novels and has dominion over all realms since he controls all seas. We also have Gaia creating continents with her breathe alone and raising mountain ranges while shaking the earth in her ichinose form. And Kratos shook thanatos domain, which is encompassed between the mortal world and the underworld.*
"When was the last time kratos went to space?"
*ares boss fight.*
"When was the last time he killed the creator of the galaxy?"
*cronos fought ouranus in cosmic battle proportions which is confirmed in gow 2 documentary and the novels, guidebooks is debatable since one says he ripped off ouranus privates, while the other says he just ripped it off. Either way, this was all after cronos fought him, creator and father of the universe.*
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Im a a huge god of war fan but i will have to say asura wins this. Asura has done things grander than kratos. Battled gods and GOD of the universe in space. Sure god of war is a better game series but asura is too overpowered for kratos to handle. And yea kratos did not go to seperate earths the mythologies of god of war universe are located on the same earth. So kratos only ended a country when he ended the Greek pantheon.
Asura's wrath has shown while GoW only tells
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I been wanting this video since asura came out
GoW3 Kratos is likely to be low complex Multiversal, Due to scaling above his Norse self Who can battle beings that can damage the world tree, and threaten the nine realms, which are all stated to be higher dimensional
Before clicking on the video ik asura easily solos please read to the end and pin .Asura is MTFL+ and multi dimensional btw because in the fight against Chakravarten they break dimensions. Now let me explain because this probably sounds like im ridiculously glazing but i promise i am not let me explain, in a guidebook it states that Chakravarten was in the center of the milky way galaxy while fighting, when he shoots his light beams it takes 26 seconds to reach him and the distance between earth and the center of our galaxy is 25k lightyears doing some conversions we see the beam is moving 30 BILLIONS TIMES FASTER THAN LIGHT AND ASURA REACTS AND DODGES IT MULTIPLE TIMES THAT EASILY PUTS HIM MANY TIMES FASTER THAN LIGHT PLUS CONFIRMED plus as travels from earth to chakravarten THROWS MULTIPLE FREAKING PLANETS AND STARS AT HIM CONFIRMING ASURA IS EASILY MULTI STAR LEVEL BECAUSE HE EASILY PUNCHES THROUGH THE STARS. and dont even get me started ASURA REACHES THE CREATOR IN 277 SECONDS WHICH IS ABOUT 5 MINUTES HE TRAVELLED 25K FREAKING LIGHT YEARS IN 5 MINUTES DOING SOME SIMPLE CONVERSIONS WE SEE THAT HE WAS MOVING 2.8 BILLION TIMES FASTER THAN LIGHT WHICH SUPPORTS MY PREVIOUS STATEMENT ABOUT HIM REACTING TO THE BEAMS AND WHAT IS EVEN CRAZIER IS THAT NOT ONLY DID HE DO IT IN 5 MINUTES HE WAS BEING SLOWED DOWN!!!! we have to consider that he was being slowed down by multiple planets stars and a multi galaxy sized meteor along with the 30 BILLION TIMES FASTER THEN LIGHT beams THEN WHEN HE REACHES HIM HE DESTORYS IS AVATAR IN ONE PUNCH KEEP IN MIND HIS AVATAR WAS SO GIANT YOU COULD SEE IT CLEARLY 25K LIGHT YEARS AWAY WHICH MEANS asura litterly has multi galaxy AP considering chakaravarten made super galaxies look like the moon compared to jupiter next to him. He starts fighting chakaravarten and their fights break MULTIPLE DIMENSIONS THEN WHEN CHAKARAVARTEN TAKES ON HIS TRUE FORM CHAKARAVARTEN THE CREATOR HE EASILY ONE SHOTS THE MULTI DIMENSIONAL ASURA with one finger !!!AND KNOCKS HIM OUT OF HIS FORM BUT ASURA FREAKING GETS BACK UP AND HARNESSES ALL OF HIS WRATH TO THE POINT HE WAS KEEPING UP TO A BOUNDLESS ENTITY IN BASE FORM. yep you read that right BASE FORM then he gains enough power to one shot asura.
No Norse Kratos is confirmed to be stronger than before, he faces enemies that are confirmed to be stronger than his past ones too, and the cosmology is vastly greater in Norse.
@@Airmaster545 god of war is on the same earth which means all mythologies in the series are on the same earth self contained realities that have created their own bubble universes in their mythologies to keep it locked in so kratos is actually battling nations. This is actually confirmed by the devs themselves that all mythologies are co existing on the same earth in the series also in the comics there is an image showing kratos took a a boat to travel other areas and mythologies. The scaling of kratos is limited to only regional pantheons.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSoulskratos old Is weak
@@BaustisaRuiz Wrong, only morons think this cuz the story and games themselves disagree even disprove this.
Kratos:
Metaphorical Strength: Kratos' power often symbolizes his struggle against oppression, vengeance, and his own inner demons. Defeating gods represents overcoming personal limitations and societal structures. His rage embodies the unyielding will to confront his past and carve his own path.
Literal Strength: Though not entirely absent, Kratos' physical feats, while impressive, tend to be within the realm of "superhuman" rather than reaching Asura's celestial levels. His Blades of Chaos and various weaponry provide him with tangible ways to exert his power, but it's often his resilience and determination that truly shine.
Asura:
Literal Strength: Asura's power is often presented in direct, literal terms. He punches planets, cleaves stars, and battles beings who manipulate galaxies. His strength is tangible and overwhelming, a direct consequence of his rage and transformations.
Metaphorical Strength: While not as prominent as Kratos', Asura's journey also carries metaphorical weight. His rage stems from grief, betrayal, and the struggle for redemption. His growth represents the potential for overcoming immense hardship and finding purpose amidst suffering.
Implications for their battle:
Considering your observation, a clash between Kratos and Asura would likely be more than just a physical test of might. It could be a battle of will versus power, determination against raw strength, and the metaphorical against the literal.
Kratos could capitalize on Asura's impulsiveness and emotional vulnerabilities, using his tactical skills and cunning to exploit weaknesses.
Asura's sheer power could overwhelm Kratos in a direct confrontation, but his rage could also be his undoing if Kratos can find a way to manipulate it.
Ultimately, the outcome might not be simply determined by who punches harder. It could depend on who can outwit, outlast, and overcome the deeper metaphorical conflicts fueling their rage.
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Well put brother
W but kratos is like hulk so if he doesn't stop him now then it's wraps
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This fight is similar to Superman vs The hulk, with Kratos being Superman, and Asura being the Hulk. Lemme explain, Superman is stronger than the Hulk in base form, but as the match progresses, The Hulk gets angrier and the angrier he gets the stronger he gets, and he will keep getting angrier and stronger until he gets to the level of superman, which is “infinitely strong”.
At base form Kratos is stronger than Asura, but Asura gets stronger as the fight lasts, so if Kratos managed to end the fight as fast as possible (doesn’t have to be by killing Asura) he might win, but if it got so long, Asura will keep getting stronger and stronger and stronger until they both begin to destroy everything around them with their sheer strength and power.
Another similar fight is Kratos vs Baldur. Baldur doesn’t get stronger the longer he fights, but he doesn’t feel any pain and doesn’t get tired at all, so he’s always fighting at his highest, and while Kratos (holding back) would get exhausted the longer the fight is, Baldur would be as energetic and fast as the fight started. It’s a different form but the same concept. Either one fighter gets weaker or the other one gets stronger.
Edit: I’d also like to say Kratos also adapts to his opponent’s fighting style and strength. There are many examples on this ever since GOW ghost of sparta. Like when he let Deimos beat him and almost kill him just because he was completely holding back so he doesn’t kill another family member, he almost died and wasn’t barely capable of moving, that is until he saw that Deimos was in danger and almost fell of the cliff, he collected his strength as fast as hell, and quickly ran to save him, then he went on to fight Thanatos with him, and Deimos was the first ever companion to Kratos ina. GOW game before Atreus and Freya, and having a companion makes Kratos hold back his rage and power, and focus on cooperation more, it was on Deimos died, he burst out completely.
Another example is like I said when he defeated Baldur in the first encounter, he barely was able to walk for two reasons:
It has been 1000 years since he last fought a god.
He was holding back drastically. it’s like, every time Kratos fights someone, he’s actually fighting his inner rage with him. However, in Ragnarok, after his first fight with Thor, he felt pain and held his ribs, but he ran quickly to go to Atreus who was with Odin. So, Kratos managed to collect his strength and endurance quickly just because someone he loved was in danger.
In the second Thor fight, Kratos fighting style was way more effective, and he was avoiding all Thor’s moves with Mjolnir
In the Heimdall fight, at first he was slowing strong and heavy punches, which Heimdall was able to dodge easily, so he kept making the punches lighter and quicker until he tagged him.
Asura destroys planets, stars and the god of mantra while Kratos remains on earth destroying gods and titans... Asura takes the dub. Asura's combat skills is far more superior than Kratos.
"Asura destroys planets, stars and the god of mantra"
*all of which doesn't come close to ouranus, father of the universe. Who is way weaker than the Olympians btw.*
"While kratos remains on earth destroying gods and titans"
*common misconception. It's not like our earth persay. Cory elaborated on this further, "the 'actual' god of war's earth geography is the same as our real earth's. the only difference between the two is that within each geographical region, there exists a version of the universe with its dimensions and earth as inspired by the prevelant mythology and local belief system of the people living in that particular region."* thus making the patheons seperate multiverses.
"Asura takes the dub."
*no, not at all.*
"Asuras combat skills is far more superior than kratos."
*kratos is a spartan general who has trained throughout battlefields and combat with being the master of all weaponry vs an angry brute who has the interactive QTE cinematic movie where the plot demands you destroy a planet.*
That’s not how a multiverse works that would still be a universe. A universe operates threw space everything that exists physically. A multiverse operates thought time and potential, like the multiple worlds theory. and the Onmiverse operates threw everything that has every and will ever exist, in their own reality’s.
@zacharymattson43 *except each patheon is spatially and temporally divided and treated as it's own version of the universe including the realms which are confirmed to be infinite, thus making them universes aka a multiverse. You can have a multiverse in a non metaphorical sense, much like the MCU for example. And an omniverse is infinite multiverses, a multiverses is several universes in one huge cosmology.*
Personally? I think Kratos takes the W here's why:
Strenght: Kratos, in Ragnarok, Kratos destroyed the world tree which transcends time itself that and he also beat beings that existed before time itself
Speed: Debatable but i'm leaning for Kratos, you can make fair cases for both of them, like, Asura being able to crawl out of Naraka which is infinite in a finite amount of time and Kratos being able to beat Hermes who can dodge the light that covers the sun, why am i leaning for Kratos? Because of what i mentioned earlier that he beat beings who existed before time itself
I'll give you this guys, if Kratos is able to angry Asura enough (which if we're considering it's a chance encounter i highly doubt it since he doesn't have a reason to hate Kratos like he hates the enemies of his own game and honestly even if it does happen it would take an awful amount of time for it to happen, if Kratos doesn't take Asura out before that) he could cause Kratos some trouble, but if we're giving Kratos all of his gear i can see him winning, but if not then i can somewhat see Asura winning (though i still have my doubts about that)
Asura would just throw the planet Kratos is on into a black hole effortlessly…why is this a debate??
Kratos is stronger by a lot
@@jhevgainz2307 you’re simply wrong. Asura violates kratos .
@@Unknown93736 he absolutely does not. Even the feats in this video for kratos are above asuras and he isn’t even using the actual mid ball kratos feats
@@jhevgainz2307 play the game 😂 you’ll see…why I say what I’m saying
@@Unknown93736 I have. Look at the lore of gow and you’ll see that asura has no chance at all
Asura is logically stronger, that's just facts.
No read lore and do research.
Just blow up the planet, what's kratos going to do then? Asura can do that in an instant lol
Reverse the event using the amulet of ouroboros?
Can't (can) wait for the death battle, also good vid last time mentioning death battle but whoever wins in that fight it really doesn't matter for me they're both fictional characters
Not having Kratos at higher dimensional and infinite speed
Based
It was capped lower internationally
He didn’t want to get into detail there cuz it took much time in the video and the stat difference isn’t massive, both are higher dimensional both destroy universes with their timespace which is 4D, both cross infinite sized realms, both can move in zero time or timeless realms so they are close in stats.
If you think Kratos or Asura isn’t this strong then you’re just an ignorant moron.
Buddha wukong will love to fight them both
Ya know I got a huge like story board planned for such an encounter (kratos, boy and gang meet/ deal with sun wukong) kratos being the the muscle of course holding wukong off/ fucking him up when he does get the chances while Atreus, mimir, and Freya possibly even Tyr assisting if finding a way to put the monkey king down for good (ie Atreus writing Sun Wukongs name back down in the book of the dead, and or getting the loison from the scorpion that threatened budha himself.
I could go further in detail, however I believe the fight would require kratos giving his absolute all to stop wukong but then as he gets his rythm going wukong would get excited then try himself leading to Kratos making some form of exception abputbletting hisnpast live again as he may need it to stand a chance against a crazed unethical sociopathic monkey god. Kratos then actually being the second the harm wukong besides Buddha himself which leads to an even more intense fight. Atreus and crew are still searching and or have discovered ways to put him down for good, ( personally would love a feature where statues of wukong get more and more cracked the more serious and closer to death wukong himself becomes).
Obviously steming from Atreus trying to be cocky and one uping his father from his past and facing the esteemed wukong just to get himself hurt and kratos serious
@@demonichunter7925wukung puts atreus in doggystyle
What would kratos do against Asura the destructor form
*completely slams him.*
i’ll say if kratos has his arsenal of weapons then yeah he could probably have a good chance of beating asura, but if it’s just hand to hand i’m taking asura😭😭
*hand to hand combat also goes to Kratos, he's trained in hand to hand combat and multiple martial arts, while asura just tanks and punches.*
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Asura seems more expressive
"Who is gaming's strongest?"
Neither really lol
Did you intentionally low ball kratos? His strength and speed is way higher than what’s in this video, and you left out a ton of hax
A) I mentioned I’m gonna keep it finite for this vid as both characters have higher metas
B) I also mention Kratos has a ton more hax and that I was trying to keep it to what was the most problematic for Asura I don’t need to go into depth on stat amplification, energy manipulation, etc. as it’s just not as relevant to the focused discussion
@@ThunderGodTG I didn’t notice. Nvm then
Well, kratos despite once having all his old magic and gear doesn't use it in the norse saga, outside of like the blades of chaos. So he doesnt have any of the fancy spells, no boots if hermes, no claws of hades. I'd hinestly say GoW 3 kratos has a better chance of beating Asura than Ragnarok kratos. But like thats just from my PoV. Like as far as were aware, he got rid of the blade of olympus and 99 percent of all the stuff he got from the gods in the Greek saga. You'd need a composite version of kratos to stand a chance against asura tbh.
You forget that 1. Ragnarok Kratos is much stronger than his younger self with the POH and all his magic, 2. Kratos was strong enough to punch holes into reality and open dimensions and close them while fighting (novels), 3. Kratos scales above beings that damaged the world tree that is above all of creation/contains all of creation, 4. Statements HEAVILY upscale Kratos to the point that he scales above Asura, 5. We can’t really exclude all of Kratos’s items just because he doesn’t have it in Ragnarok + he has better items in Ragnarok anyways. Asura has more feats but Kratos has better statements which is still valid in scaling him. So honestly, Ragnarok Kratos could also beat Asura without all the Greek magic and weapons, considering he also has a better loadout in Ragnarok. Anyways, I don’t know if you were comparing versions, or if this wasn’t your point, but I’m just explaining how Kratos would beat Asura regardless of whether we use him in Ragnarok or him with all his magic and weapons in the Greek realm
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DOOMSLAYER watching them fight knowing he will throw hands with the victor sooner or later:
@@Devilchylde saying DOOMSLAYER needs guns is a really dumb statement LMAO. Gameplay and lore are very different and DOOMSLAYER killing the creator of everything at the end of Eternal’s DLC is a way greater feat of power.
an Armless Asura would body him
and thats *if he didnt die from being to close to them*
he dies to lava and gets stopped by a puny temple falling on him from chist sakes the dude needs guys and only fought a NERFED god
@@weskintime4177 To be fair his Guns are not weak just the fandom thinks he uses them to nerf himself when Hugo confirms he amps his weapons and if you read the lore of guns even guns like the combat shotgun uses argent energy for the burst shot, the metal of the UAC can contain argent energy, and Argent energy is extra dimensional energy so the weapons scale to it.
But Doomslayer is relative in power to peak Kratos, they both scale to massive cosmological structures that transcends time and space many times over, Asura doesn’t stand a chance against either one’s peak.
It will come down to doom slayer vs asura. Kratos does not belong in convo honestly his feats haven't gone beyond regional level while asura and doomslayer have. Its going to be good fight I will have to say it will be asura who wins cause he does not depend on extra weapons to fight god like beings and can also regenerate his body parts. If ur taking all forms of asura then doomslayer is finished hes got no chance against destructor asura who's size is bigger than the earth and killed the creator of his universe who was almost the size of solar system throwing planets suns and stars at him. Its asura who wins.
@@casualtalk6512lol mid slayer no even city level AND Is universal lol
Kratos>>>>asura>>>>>Doom slayers
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Since they draw their strength mainly from Wrath (Asura) and Hope (Kratos), which in general is the strongest out of Hope and Wrath?
I think there is a fair shout that Chakravartin was potentially low multiversal too. Namely, he also controlled Naraka. If Chakravartin wanted to remake everything, I could reasonably see that including Naraka too. Naraka certainly seems to be another realm/dimension. That'd mean Asura also scales to low multiversal.
so we ever gonna count the feat of standing on the event horizon?
Cook for me what’s the deal
Actually Death battle has revealed a teaser trailer for that matchup, but it's a older version which means he has a better chance over him and you forgot to mention about the weakness which The elements, and kratos's Leviathan Axe is Ice-Based weapon which gives him the edge reply that again. Eats girls will be included so don't count him out just yet
Kratos's biggest advantage is the curse placed on him by Thanatos, which makes it so he can't die.
If something occurs that would kill him fate itself alters to save his life.
Importent question though:
How would Asura do against Goku?
Kratos at base is already several leagues above asura stat wise, even if the fight lasts long kratos would certainly be able to contain him with his power of hope. The fight would be good but itd be like baldur while baldur was able to feel, ina way crazed furious rush. Asura would surprise kratos with a few things but kratos would completely flip the script on its head and cut him out of the equation. The cosmologies are also worth mentioning considering the the primordials that created the universe did so just by fighting and everyone past them is considerably stronger cause the titans literally nutured and burthered their parents, then the olympians doing the same to the titans. Zeus being able to one shot his brother hades and poseidon also make a loint on how busted kratos is, along with fighting beingings capable of splintering infinite 5D+ structures, eating entire concepts/feelings and an entire season. Kratos is dealing with beingings that could sneeze and violently rip the universe at its core. Zues himself when aggravated shouted and shook three entire universes.
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@@cloudboysmusic5223 I mean I'm not wrong, everything asura has dealt with was covered and under Kratos by the time the second game came out, their arnt similarities between the two universes due to the most basic of mobs in GoW being able to class and create existences not being literal here just saying the basic head honchos are already uni-uni+
@demonichunter7925 dude he will obliterate kratos
@@vlbinladen3019 id disagree tho I'm sure in a situation where the two would fight kratos and asura would certainly cease due to incapable of either putting the other down and or (which is more likely, due to how kratos talks mid fight) kratos simply putting the fight down for good with a few swift shots and a certain powerful line like their is no need to fight any longer I'm sure we align in beliefs and we fight a common foe, ourselves.
The feats of the Norse Gods and cosmology does not scale to Greek Gods or GoW3 Kratos, the new games confirm that enemies are stronger than he’s faced before and energy types or magic are beyond what he’s faced before, the only impressive thing noted for Greek is their abilities.
Greek Gods and the cosmology is just Low Multiversal at best, there are a few infinite sized universes separated by timespace only Power of Hope Kratos scales to it all her in base he’s still upscaling other Gods who are universal+ to low multi.
This is only taking Greek Era Kratos not Norse.
Also let me add something in for Kratos he was able to flip the 9 realms with just his strength and he splintered the world tree which is all of creation itself
Sun wukong vs Asura wrath would be interesting
1 shot bruh . It's not funny . Wukong is levels above em
Well, a lot people just underrated Asura pretty much, and overestimate Kratos. Let's start with Kratos, he is stronger than Uranus, who created the universe, including many bodies of universal size and the space-time continuum (this is probably the best thing that Kratos showed). The Temple of Tyr was created by mortals after the existence of the nine worlds. The Temple of Tyr does not contain the 9 worlds, it is in them, and this is what Mimir means when he says that he is rooted in all the worlds. Freya claims that the tree inside the Temple of Tyr is just an image of Yggdrasil and is not even a real tree, meaning that it is not infinite. There is no Yggdrasil in the Temple of Tyr. That's why Kratos never raised or damaged the 9 Multiverses or anything like that. The Temple of Tyr is used as a portal-gate rather than a door, and does not contain the 9 worlds. For the Temple of Tyr to truly contain 9 worlds, the Temple of Tyr would have to be the only way to cross the worlds, however in Ragnarok Mimir states that Odin sent enemies through the worlds using the sky. Again, Kratos cannot raise 9 Multiverses, this is nonsense and contradicts everything that is shown in the games. Kratos is not physically stronger than Atlas, if someone thinks that slightly moving the fingers of Atlas, who did not even really try to kill Kratos, proves that Kratos is Stronger than Atlas? Of course not, this is nonsense. Kratos did not defeat death and did not become death himself, although Thanatos was in space beyond dimensions, there is no indication that Thanatos himself is at such a level, the sphere of death, as mentioned, transcends dimensions, but is still only located within Greek mythology , which is a direct contradiction since Greek mythology itself is a dimension, but probably implies a pocket dimension. Kingdoms of infinite size in any mythology are infinite only in relation to their mythology (for example Yggdrasil). The 9 worlds aren't universes, they're different planets, so yes, GOW doesn't just take place on Earth and in dimensions on Earth, but it's still the main location. About Jormungandr the World Serpent and Atlas, who raises the heavens. To everyone who wants to say that Jormungandr flew around the whole world, no, this is not true, even in GOW Kratos said that this is just an exaggeration. Well, Kratos’ speed is infinite only potentially; traveling through an infinite world does not mean that you have infinite speed; the Uroborus amulet only affects objects, and not something living. So he was not ahead of time (because Kratos cannot overtake time, which means he is not faster than infinity), but in principle it is possible to prove Kratos' infinite speed, for example, Atropos has infinite speed, and Kratos killed her by making his speed infinite. The Underworld, although there are reasons for the fact that it is infinite, is still implied to be infinite, and the light that covered the entire underworld has infinite speed, Hercules evaded such light, and Kratos does not lag behind it. Because yes, Kratos can, in principle, have infinite speed. Now Asura, I’ll say right away that Asuri has immunity to the manipulation of reality, time, space, soul and mind, therefore he does not need all the most powerful artifacts of Kratos, only protective artifacts and artifacts with additional damage to the enemy or increasing one’s own powers are useful: for example, manipulation ice, fire, water, lightning, creating explosions from souls, etc. Everything else will not help Kratos, but what is there will help prolong the fight. As for Asuri's powers, the list of his abilities is as follows: Regeneration, Energy Manipulation, Invulnerability, Pain Tolerance, Resurrection, Resistance to Existence Erasure, Resistance to Soul Manipulation, Resistance to Time Manipulation, Resistance to Petrification, Resistance to Fate Manipulation and Plot Manipulation, Resistance to Time Manipulation, Durability Denial . Also, Asura himself can Manipulate the soul. In a word, Asura calmly ignores all of Kratos’ most powerful abilities. Asura defeated Chakravartin, Chakravartin is the almighty God who created the whole world. Chakravartin created Naraku, the limitless world between life and death. Chakravartin also created many worlds (universes), in a word, he created the Multiverse (other Universes can be seen in the battle between Chakravartin and Asuri). If it seems to you that Chakravarti is only at the universal level, then this is not so, we have Gokhma Vlitra. He is stated to have limitless power both in the game and in the lore. The game clearly states that Vlitri’s level of power is incommensurable and limitless, which already puts her at the Highest Universal level. But Vlitra is only the creation of Chakravartin, Chakravartin cannot beat on the same level with his creation. Chakravartin himself stated that he created many worlds/universes that form the Multiverse, with the space of Naraka, that exist between life and death, while he is able to create the purpose of change by force of will. Asura moved in stopped time, making his speed infinite. Asura shattered reality and destroyed Naraka (infinite dimension). Kratos is maximum at the Multiverse level ( which is a huge hyperbole and Kratos ), but Asura at the same level and possibly Multiverse+. Both at infinite speed. But Asura will constantly become stronger, so Kratos will not be able to win. The battle will not be easy, but Asura will defeat Kratos ( but I must admit, it will be a hard battle for Kratos, while Asura will have a little fun )
Kratos shit stomps Asura
No
Asura's wrath has better feats
@@nagatouzumaki4047no
@@nagatouzumaki4047 address the video if you want to say that
Nothing in the video provided superior feats
Show me one feat above throwing planetoids that was mentionedin the video??
@@nagatouzumaki4047Thor splintering the world tree which transcends time and space aka a 5th dimension scale which is far above anything asura has done and that was one feat I mentioned.
Edit: I know it wasn’t mentioned in the video but I thought I should bring it up anyway to show kratos massively out scales asura
Medaka Kurokami Vs Asura
The fact that Kratos is immune to fate also proves he's unkillable like Asura. What sets Kratos apart is he's like superman.... That plot armor is insane. Kratos is as strong as he needs to be whereas Asura was shown to have to adapt to his foes over time. Asura wasn't shown to be able to adapt to true "infinite strength.
Kratos was shown to over power Atlas a being holding the UNIVERSE which is INFINITE in itself and constantly growing and expanding at the rate of about 41.9 miles per second per megaparsec (a distance equivalent to 3.26 million light-years) and that was in GOW 1 -GOW 3. If you go with GOD 4 and 5 then you would know Kratos was Vastly more powerful in 4 and 5 While fighting the Norse Gods, in which Odin was said to be far more powerful then Zeus by game designers, and the Norse gods are in a different universe within the GOW multiverse which is the reason the game designers said GOW 4 and 5 were not continuations of what took place in Greece. Remember kratos destroyed the greek universe, and gods of the norse Pantheon says that Kratos is a god from a different world entirely from their own. Kratos brought that same plot armor over from the Greece universe which is why balder, Thor, Odin and the others had a difficult time with him. Also it was said thor was actually vastly superior to Zeus by game designers, so kratos as mentioned is far above the Greek primordial gods in terms of power.
Kratos raw power is just way to OP and vast for Asura to adapt and overcome. Especially against someone with plot armor that's on par with Superman. Being as powerful as you need to be no matter the opposition, even going as far as to cheat fate, and the kill Gods over fate itself is just way to much for Asura.
Oof.
Asuras "wrath" literally defies the law of causality. His plot armour is basically: as long as my daughter is held in captivity, i will not stop until i rescued her".
The only way to kill Asura was to kill the creator of the universe who established the status-quo of life-creation in the concept of mantra. Mantra is literally described as the source OF ALL LIFE.
So, the only way to kill Asura for good, is by destroying the universal laws he operates in. And that's exactly what Asura did.
His wrath is a force, capable of defying the Alpha and Omega.
Funny enough, the fundamental source of Asuras "wrath" is basically the concept of "tyranny". It's his nature being full of "wrath", because somewhere always a tyrannical ruler exists.
This point is crucial, especially against Kratos.
Asura could never utilise his "wrath" against old Kratos, who is trying to redeem himself of his tyrannical past.
Imma need a link or something showing where they said Odin or Thor are more powerful than Zeus and the like
You have UA-cam Right? Just look up "how Powerful is Krato's in GOW"
Sending links to prove a point to people that barely respond is something I'm not gonna do. You got fingers, a brain, and computer.... Put them to work
@@hyattwb you're the one who made the claim, so it's up to you, the person who personally already has at least some awareness of where the quote can be seen, to prove it, otherwise you're just saying something. I've seen a quite a few videos on the strength of Kratos and, strange enough, none of them have links in the description to where anyone says that Odin is more powerful than Zeus
All of those feats only apply to only his pantheon which are regional in the god of war universe a self contained realm of mythology located on the same earth as other mythologies which means kratos is battling countries in the series. Asura well destroyed planets, suns, stars flies around space in seconds killed gods and god of his universe. The guy can regenerate his body parts. Plus disadvantage for kratos is asura can absorb others rage to himself which means the more angry kratos gets the more infinite powerful and strong asura gets. Kratos has power of hope asura got the mantra of belief. Love kratos but hate to say it all round kratos is F ed lol.
Who else is here after Kratos Vs Asura was announced for death battle?
Asura smokes kratos outta here GOW fans kratos aint near planetary he country lvl at best cope
meanwhile Ares literally creating a galaxy in the first game of the franchise:
@@_tmaa_ is that supposed to mean sum, he got smoked by thor nuff said🥱
@@predatorhunter3169 Upscales thor lol. Plus thor splintered an object that transcends space-time accidentally.
@@_tmaa_ and hes still inferior to the asuras wrath verse and akuma🥱 kratos gets turned into white chalk fighting asura stop it.
@@predatorhunter3169 get asura above 3D😭. Transcending space-time is auto 4D while comp AW is barely uni. Chakra debunked the idea he even made the universe in AW in the final boss fight.
1:33, i thought he was absorbing the milky way galaxy?
Why None Calculates Lifting Strength? 😢
Because how do you calculate a cosmos bro lol
its not really relevant to the fight thas why. Lifting Strength by itself isn't a win con.
@@_tmaa_Ah Yes.
Not having more LS than Your Opponent isn't Important. 🤡
@@Lifegotmid Ok let me put it this way. Let's say character A can bust a planet and move at the speed of light but can't lift even a building whereas character B can barely bust a city is massively hypersonic but can lift an entire mountain. Who do you think would win that fight? The guy who can lift a mountain?
@@Lifegotmid
Aren't you going to answer him?
Is that Gunther’s theme song in the background music
It is stated that older Kratos is superior to young kratos
The strongest is def dragon born from skyrim
Acura is high uni-low multiversal
Gaming's strongest? Its neither of these guys. Its actually the Doom Slayer that is the strongest, although these two are definitely 2nd and 3rd strongest.
Doomslayer isn't the strongest either. Characters from Final Fantasy and Shin Megami Tensei are far beyond anything these three got.
Random picker 😅😅😅 mere ko pick karna
Btw Congo for 1.8K
Basically the fight is
Plot armour vs Plot armour
yeah and you think you can beat them
WTF there's a Manga for Asuras wrath
The problems in calculating Kratos' speed lie in how his battle with the Sisters of Fate was shown. We don't see how fast the Sisters are. But even if Kratos is so fast. Then Asura can withstand his attacks and will keep up with him himself and they will be equal
PLEASE DO A BAYONETTA VS VIDEO I BEG OF YOU😭🙏🙏🙏
Asuras "wrath" literally defies the law of causality. His plot armour is basically:
"As long as my daughter is held in captivity, i will not stop until i rescued her. Doesn't matter who i am facing."
The only way to kill Asura was to kill the creator of the universe who established the status-quo of life-creation in the concept of mantra. Mantra is literally described as the source OF ALL LIFE.
So, the only way to kill Asura for good, is by destroying the universal laws he operates in. And that's exactly what Asura did.
His wrath is a force, capable of defying the Alpha and Omega.
Funny enough, the fundamental source of Asuras "wrath" is basically the concept of "tyranny". It's his nature being full of "wrath", because somewhere always a tyrannical ruler exists.
This point is crucial, especially against Kratos.
Asura could never utilise his "wrath" against old Kratos, who is trying to redeem himself of his tyrannical past.
Hey tg ive got a quick question for you about your opinion. Ive seen people say that odin is comparable to zues which by extension scaled thor and the other norse gods below zues. Whats your opinion on the greek gods verses the norse gods. Also great video.
I used to be pro Norse but, after the Valhalla DLC the Greek stuff is able to stay continually relevant especially when you tie in director statements and such, so I think it’s all kinda comparable with characters like Fear Zeus and POH Kratos clearly being at the top of the verse.
@ThunderGodTG I have yet to see the Valhalla stuff yet, so I'm not sure what stuff you are referring to, but thank you for letting me know what you think. I always thought that old Kratos was stronger than end of gow3 Kratos, to be fair though I haven't done any calcs or anything to confirm or contradict that thought. Idk I might just have some recency bias here, again, thank you for your opinion.
I think Asura would demolish Kratos.
*I think the opposite.*
Asura easily lol
Neither are the strongest in gaming.
What a terrible attempt to head canon these characters. You don't need to do all this when it's very obviously clear that every single being in kratos' verse would lose simultaneously if Asura just decided to punch the Earth really hard and blow every single god to kingdom come.
Kratos' feats in terms of raw power and speed do not come anywhere close to Asura, otherwise we would see Kratos throwing planets at the gods or launching them into outer space. I'd scale Kratos at mountain - city level in terms of actual durability & damage and if I'm being SUPER generous to your headcanon country/continent-level, and in the low mach range at best with Helios' boots. Kratos might have better hacks than Asura, but that doesn't matter if you are vaporized from existence before you even have time to react.
You shouldn't be debating whether or not a max power Kratos could beat a max power Asura, he cant - you should be trying to debate at which stage along Asura's journey could Kratos beat him, and I think anything beyond Asura before the betrayal is an uphill battle for him. There are certainly no opportunities after he defeats Wyzen.
As a side-note, I'm pretty sure the sisters of fate aren't micro-calculating every single thread at once, it's more like adjusting trajectories here and there; they're in the control room but not flipping every single buttom simultaneously otherwise Kratos would not have been able to even approach them. We have an example of how if they actually DID comprehend all of it at once in the new games with the nornir who simply just know what Kratos will do and know that he will not attack them, and without fail there are numerous beings including Kratos' wife who outright knew what would happen from the very beginning - in effect, they were never in danger in the first place. If this was the case the sisters of fate would not even have to attack or defend themselves against Kratos. So, no; Kratos is not blitzing around FTL.
By the way, just because primordials and titans are capable of vast reality-altering feats does not mean that directly translates to combat ability.
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kirby: eating popcorn.
Soon as you said “173628474 quinitillion times the speed of light” I knew power scaling is the worst thing that happened to fiction 😂 wha does that even mean
The Game about dude blowing up planets with punches but the part that bothers you is his moving fast? It means HES FAST AS FUCK BRRRRRRRR
@@ThunderGodTG I know but stuff like quintillion speed of light just like what the heck?😂 that’s like unfathomable. Like color doesn’t even exist at this point. Are there even protons at that speed anymore 😂
It is pretty goofy I can't cap lmao
@@NahanooI hope you realize he low balled the speed limitations of these characters. Their both well beyond that lol
Before clicking on the video ik asura easily solos please read to the end and pin .Asura is MTFL+ and multi dimensional btw because in the fight against Chakravarten they break dimensions. Now let me explain because this probably sounds like im ridiculously glazing but i promise i am not let me explain, in a guidebook it states that Chakravarten was in the center of the milky way galaxy while fighting, when he shoots his light beams it takes 26 seconds to reach him and the distance between earth and the center of our galaxy is 25k lightyears doing some conversions we see the beam is moving 30 BILLIONS TIMES FASTER THAN LIGHT AND ASURA REACTS AND DODGES IT MULTIPLE TIMES THAT EASILY PUTS HIM MANY TIMES FASTER THAN LIGHT PLUS CONFIRMED plus as travels from earth to chakravarten THROWS MULTIPLE FREAKING PLANETS AND STARS AT HIM CONFIRMING ASURA IS EASILY MULTI STAR LEVEL BECAUSE HE EASILY PUNCHES THROUGH THE STARS. and dont even get me started ASURA REACHES THE CREATOR IN 277 SECONDS WHICH IS ABOUT 5 MINUTES HE TRAVELLED 25K FREAKING LIGHT YEARS IN 5 MINUTES DOING SOME SIMPLE CONVERSIONS WE SEE THAT HE WAS MOVING 2.8 BILLION TIMES FASTER THAN LIGHT WHICH SUPPORTS MY PREVIOUS STATEMENT ABOUT HIM REACTING TO THE BEAMS AND WHAT IS EVEN CRAZIER IS THAT NOT ONLY DID HE DO IT IN 5 MINUTES HE WAS BEING SLOWED DOWN!!!! we have to consider that he was being slowed down by multiple planets stars and a multi galaxy sized meteor along with the 30 BILLION TIMES FASTER THEN LIGHT beams THEN WHEN HE REACHES HIM HE DESTORYS IS AVATAR IN ONE PUNCH KEEP IN MIND HIS AVATAR WAS SO GIANT YOU COULD SEE IT CLEARLY 25K LIGHT YEARS AWAY WHICH MEANS asura litterly has multi galaxy AP considering chakaravarten made super galaxies look like the moon compared to jupiter next to him. He starts fighting chakaravarten and their fights break MULTIPLE DIMENSIONS THEN WHEN CHAKARAVARTEN TAKES ON HIS TRUE FORM CHAKARAVARTEN THE CREATOR HE EASILY ONE SHOTS THE MULTI DIMENSIONAL ASURA with one finger !!!AND KNOCKS HIM OUT OF HIS FORM BUT ASURA FREAKING GETS BACK UP AND HARNESSES ALL OF HIS WRATH TO THE POINT HE WAS KEEPING UP TO A BOUNDLESS ENTITY IN BASE FORM. yep you read that right BASE FORM then he gains enough power to one shot asura.
What is bro yappin?Asura is strong but nothing in his verse is boundless💀
@@A_25xs Blud did you read my essay? chakravarten is the god of everything in his verse and fights at a boundless level
@@Airmaster545 so only cause you are 8 billions time faster than light and can throw planets at people you are boundless?
Do you even know what boundless means?💀
@@Airmaster545 and I hope you know that only cause you are 1010191991019292929292939393939 times faster than light you are still only mftl+ that’s not even infinite
Neother of them. Dies Irae is technically a game (visual novel).
That isn’t the strongest either
SMT betta trust
doom slayer
Asura solos
Out of these two the strongest is xenoverse2 goku ❤❤❤
@@Devilchylde yeah if hes mad 👀 and even then like xeno goku can nerf him he can also just like do the same thing his whole thing is getting stronger in a fight not only that bro is getting one shot before anything happens using your logic saitama beats asura or, dragon ball z broly beats asura like bro no
Asura would no condom R word Kratos Dante and Bayonetta
Kratos stomps
Dante from DMC beats both just FYI
No he doesn’t, Asura is debatable but Kratos stomps
Ever since that 9th dimensional scan was found to be fake im not so sure anymore.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSoulsif you think kratos is weaker than asura you’re mental
@@dylanblack8714 I never said Kratos was weaker than Asura so don’t put words into my mouth dumbass
I am Carnifex I did the asura scaling and my friend Edgard helped with the GoW scaling, I know GoW pretty well myself and I know Kratos at his best stomps yet different versions can be debatable like here, Norse Kratos is a literal dimensional tier higher than asura I’m not that dumb lol
@@dylanblack8714 he didn’t say that
God of War scaling is down the drain after ragnarok most high tier gaming characters are multiversal with no limit on their powers (apart from stamina) Kratos can't see powers from Greece. So even if she was omnipotent it would only be in that universe
It was stated at least by Freya’s wisdom, that magic is connected to the Earth, and when Kratos destroyed Greece and more specifically, killed Gaea, The Primordial Earth itself, all his magic must have gone away with her death
Street fighter isn’t canon
Kratos is not universe lv.
He's large building to city lv
Asura's wrath is easily planet lv and argubly galaxy lv going by chakravarin's size
Kratos fights statues and titans who hold giant temples where asura fights people who throw planets around
None of those he's continental from the repelling Atlas feat no more nor less
Altas beat kratos with a finger.
It's not like kratos destroys altas easily
@@nagatouzumaki4047who said that atlas beat kratos?
This comments don’t knock what they talking about lol
Altas beat kratos with two fingers
Play god of war 2
Ideologically Asura wins hands down. They both get their power from rage however Kratos actively works to suppress this rage claiming “being a dad makes him stronger” while Asura embraces the rage to the fullest extent of his power and is also a father so #TeamAsura don’t cater to dumb PC ideology and maybe your character won’t be so weak.
Kratos can’t beat me bro 😭