👎Do you have any idea how much a book little alone 30 for one class or even a whole library costs. For real just the one teachers edition book for one subject will be just as much as a single computer. One computer replaces an infinite number of books. So unless your just teaching them skills which requires skills teachers and funds then this idea is just a good idea to get👍
@@jerrydurantiii3360 but you're forgetting you still have to buy licensing for those digital books. Which in some cases cost just as much. Also upkeep of the technology would be much more expensive.
Jerry Durant III except books you only have to buy once and can make copies of. There’s not any major reason to buy them every year unless there’s major changes in the curriculum and if a kid doesn’t have a book it’s not that big of a deal. If a kid doesn’t have a computer, on the other hand, they’re completely left behind because they can’t even do the work. Giving kids a “free” computer and expecting them to take care of it can be a bit much; whereas it doesn’t matter that much if they destroy a book so long as they can still do the work (though they should probably get punished in some way to know not to do that again) Not to mention that digital textbooks usually have DRM so that they can ONLY be used for a year, while regular books are available all the time past purchase (it’s just workbooks that need repurchasing each year, and that’s dependent on use)
Same here, I'm from Namibia and even when I was in a private school for a short time we had two classes of 30 min each a week that were centered around learning the basics of using a computer. And owning a phone was unheard of unless you were a teenager. Schools are still pretty much the same 10 years after I left, and only rich kids get phones before they're 14 or so.
Did you grow up saying no to screens while everybody else around you was using a phone? Or did you grow up being the same with everybody else and doing whatever everybody else was doing, too?
@@hoodie7066 In 1984 FORBES published an article about the promise of computers in the schools. The magazine's technology editor took issue with the article's embrace of the computer revolution: "The computer is a tool, like a hammer or a wrench, not a philosophers' stone. What kind of transformation will computers generate in kids? Just as likely as producing far more intelligent kids is the possibility that you will create a group of kids fixated on screens -- television, videogame or computer." He predicted that "in the end it is the poor who will be chained to the computer; the rich will get teachers." Source: www.forbes.com/forbes/1998/0323/6106134a.html
Well he was wrong and right as the rich also travel a lot in some cases so the tutors can and also are virtual in a lot of cases like I have seen one Chinese tech company owner does with his son. I agree that parents with a lot more wealth can just hire tutors no matter if they are in person or virtual giving their children a one on one advantage with less distraction and more focus on their child and how they personally learn best. I see this in wealth people who still send their children too public school. The kids with wealthy parents always seem smarter but it usually is because after school and on weekends they have tutors which in turn makes them have an advantage of their poor peers who don’t have this luxury.
Waldorf is older than that news. You only probably heard of this approach now but it has always been in existence. Idealistic hipsters love it for sure. But honestly, these kids are super disadvantaged now when it comes to jobs in the IT/tech sector. Schools who had actual technology funding can start having computer science classes as early as 2nd grade. If one of these waldorf kids develope a love for computer languages, he is already far behind by then.
Yeah, they _would_ - if they chose to spend their money that way [if each school _could_ decide how to spend its money]. It's a matter of mission and philosophy and choices. Most public schools don't bother with those things, so they accept what is passed - or sent- from a higher level.
Honestly it's weighed options. Obviously community public schools consist of a lot of students and not enough teachers or classrooms even to handle it. If you want to send your kids to a school with more one on one you have 3 options that comes to mind. 1.) Private school that is more one on one small class ratio. Private schools also tend to take more field trips that are good for growth and development. As well as personalized learning/development into adulthood at a young age. You also know exactly what is being taught to your child and you have a say in it. Negatives it tends to cost a lot depending on the private school. 2.) Home schooling. Pros you get to spend one on one with your child and yourself plan outings that you feel benefit your child. You also get a flexible schedule and don't have to worry about planning family outings. Negative effects home schooling tends to leave children anti social so transition into college or even the outside world tends to be difficult most home schooled kids have really bad social anxiety and don't know how to cope with college life. 3.) Which I feel meets everything in the middle. Just hire a tutor. Your child gets one on one help with weak subjects it tends to be more affordable as well. Another good option is simply being involved in your child's education plan. Talk to their teachers check in daily on how they are doing in school. Most teachers I've experience have enough time on request to email parents about how the child is doing. It isn't just the teachers job to educate it's the parents too. Children crave routine it's proven to be a big help on optimal learning and skill development.
@@hannahbrown8945 Thats why I said classic... Since Egyptian empire rich humans are doing this.... Paying lots of money to experience poverty for limited time
*college debt is at an all time high, students are realizing that college doesn’t mean guaranteed jobs anymore, higher degrees are often needed, companies are constantly trying to pay as little as possible and good entry level jobs are waning, the environment is being destroyed by companies but the blame is being placed on private citizens, companies use technology to spend as little as possible and put people out of work instead of enriching lives, etc* Older adults: it’s technology that’s making these kids anxious.
Couldn’t have said it better myself! There are so many other factors in this mix than just “technology is bad”. I guess they assume that’s all that’s changed since their childhood so that must clearly be the reason for bad mental health (which isn’t true at all.)
I was born in 1986 so obviously growing up we really didnt have much 'tech' besides learning how to type. I don't feel my education turned out stunted in any regard. That being said, I do think it's hilarious people have to pay nearly 40k to go back to high school in the late 90s 😂
I grew up learning how to do things without computers but that being said I find there is very little value in that in the real world. Businesses don't care how you do something so long as you meet the requirements and deadline. Generally speaking doing simple math by hands is much slower for most than just punching it into a calculator. Better yet is just using Excel which is very powerful tool that I'm just learning to utlize cause of my new job
Dennis Pietrandrea I think you’re missing the point; you can be just as efficient using technology without being wired 24/7. Just look at the other countries who lead the US in education. The US is far behind many countries in education nowadays.
I’ll save you time: There is no proof that tech-free is better for students. Good teachers and involved parents are what make healthier, happier students
how do kids learn handwriting now when they are typing all the time ? how do they learn to ask a person instead of google or how to read a big book instead of short videos online ? do they learn how to sew a button ?
Ravenous youth | Just don’t let them use the computer the entire time ya dingus. In my school we only use computers when needed, and if we have book work we will do book work. Computers were only for researching, typing papers to be printed out (only did it once), and online programs/ tests we couldn’t do with just paper. Computers also just save time when researching thing, not to say that books are horrible but a computer makes things way faster. So if computers make things faster, and this school already had time for the other extra things then we could just use computers to make whatever researching is needed to go by faster / easier and then do other things like sewing.
Most of the cost is due to the fact that the student to teacher ratio is very low and the teachers are well paid. If you have a quarter of the kids per teacher as compared to public school and the teachers make twice as much, the cost per student is 8x.
@@marionardailloux6553 I don't know where you're from (France, Belgium, Luxemburg maybe considering your name?) but in Greece public schools are provided for free and private schools cost between 4k and 8k per year regardless of grade
Kids with phones is a bad idea. Tech-free is kinda extreme. Just find a reasonable balance rather than non stop screen or no screen. Everything in moderation.
@@apocalypsepow We had technology like VCRs and overhead projectors. These classrooms don't even use smart screens, which are very advantageous to allow teachers to quickly display concepts to the entire class, and can help students with certain disabilities keep up with the class. It's tedious to have to write everything with chalk, and some students probably can't read the board very well.
It isn’t extreme. High schools have become a breeding ground for bullying and puts kids at an increased risk of suicide and mental disorders like anxiety. It’s not a game. Access to tech (and social media as a byproduct) is getting out of hand. The only way to control it is if a school + parents make a pact to reduce tech usage in their community
@Cainite Ventrue"The concept itself has become outdated as it no longer represents the current political or economic state of the world." And surprise, surprise, I'm from 3rd world country, in both 'concept'
So tech parents sent their kids here to teach them about life skills that they can't because they are too busy at work and can't spend their time with them.
That may be part of it. I'm sure they also realize tech isn't everything and if that's all we focus on we'll lose our ability to survive as humans if/when tech fails or there's a major economic collapse. Most people don't know how to take care of animals, forage or grow food anymore, especially those of lower economic status because they have neither the land, time, nor resources - which forces them to have to rely on the system for everything. This type of education gives the children of the wealthy the best preparation for survival (and control) regardless of what happens. They know exactly what they're doing.
No they send their kids to these schools because they know first hand how addicting technology is and how much it affects the development of social skills in kids.
@@jr3753 1. I don't think it's addictive, just PARENT YOUR KIDS! If your kid ends up addicted, it's the parent's fault. Set a limit. Can't argue with the social part.
@@Ottstop If your kids are stuffed with technology all day long it would be hard to get them to stop when they get home. It's better to have them use very little to no tech while they are learning the basic world.
@@sunnyedaize1262 its mainly resorces. If you want to hunt, you need a license and to be registered and sometimes to pay a fee to hunt a certain animal. If you want to grow food, you need your own land. Both can be expensive depending on where you live. In many places in the US, collecting rain water is illegal and solar power cant be your only form of electricty. The government makes it very hard for people to be self sufficient. And forget about living in the woods and building a little shack there the government will tear it down as soon as they find it. This is the real reason people arent able to be self sufficent..tech doesnt affect that laws and regulations do.
I attend a Steiner (Waldorf) school as a senior student, it’s honestly so beautiful and having come from the Australian public school system, it’s something I can really appreciate for the difference. There is such a huge focus placed on being with nature, and understanding the world around us. With obscure, physical-based classes (e.g. gardening, metal work, sewing, wood work, lapidary, and more) that promote caring, a sense of community and a deeper understanding of our world and the people around us a whole. I’m blessed to attend such a beautiful hippie school. We use limited technology, but maintain, in my eyes, a balance. I use technology a lot at home, having never fully adhered to the Steiner philosophy and grown up in a family where this was normal, but school is a welcome reprieve from the online world. We use a self-based learning experience, where each student has the ability and opportunity to learn at a pace that suits their needs but still give them the required knowledge of that subject. We do, in fact, do coding as a class, but I attend a more “progressive” Waldorf school that compared to many typical Steiner schools has incorporated a greater amount of technology into their curriculum. (By that I mean I have like 3 classes that don’t require me to use a mechanical pencil and printer paper to write up assignments.)
I love that they do that, but I am not in a tech public school and I learned how to sew in 5th grade. We also did planting through out all of my school experience.
90’s baby here. My public school was low budget, so we barely got any tech time. My university was wealthy, but again, we got limited screen time in the classroom. I didn’t know I was so privileged?
mélanie Hi Mélanie ! Actually, it's not 😉. I went to a waldorf school and there is more than just what they show here. They left a HUGE part of what makes a steiner waldorf school a steiner warlder school. It's not just about low tech use, i'm sure you know what we see throught media is just a part of reality. I think it's important we remind ourselves to be curious and critical about what we see/hear/read etc. I am curious, you have an "accent" in your name, where does it comes from ? I am from France.
Noémie ROLLINDE de BEAUMONT so what did they leave out? If you’re telling me that there is “more” to this school then why not say what makes a Steiner school a Steiner school? Yeah I’m French, are you from the south or north?
mélanie I admit i was being a little bit lazy not wanting to write a block... plus i didn't want to appear "i know everything, read this" Where am i from ? I lived near Disneyland Paris, Orléans, Tours, La Défense a Paris and now i live in Dordogne. Soooo hard to say i am from "there"... 😅
Noémie ROLLINDE de BEAUMONT I still think it’s just a normal school Cool, the “de” in your name comes from french aristocracy right? No wonder you were in a private school lol
mélanie The "de" in my name is just a particule, it doesn't mean anything, it's for sure the only thing aristocratic about my family. My mother (my last name is not from her) worked very hard to pay for this school (plus us prices and french prices are not the same, of course) please do not make assumption about people you don't know. It is hurtful.
These students are so well spoken! As a school social worker in public schools who literally teaches children how to have a conversation, my message to all parents: interact face to face with your children!
As someone who has been in Waldorf education through high school and middle school, I will say this portrayal is not entirely accurate. While in the very orthodox belief of Waldorf there should be no tech, that is far from the truth in these schools. In middle school and high schools, students are no different than at any other schools. All still glued to their phones and fully absorbed in media culture. I think these ideas of no tech rest mostly in the early years in the child's education. Teachers just put more emphasis on the value of human interaction. Nobodies riding around on horse and buggy lmao. Nobody I know has any sort of tech restrictions. Oh, and for people wondering about the tuition, 90% of the people I know are on financial aid. only a handful of people can actually afford the tuition.
Duotang I’ve gone to Waldorf schools from pre-K through high school and I think this is pretty accurate. It’s obviously up to the parents how much their kids are on their phone at home, but we weren’t allowed to bring phones to school until middle school. In middle school we weren’t allowed to use them inside the school, only outside. In high school we could use them inside the building, but had to hand them in when we went into the classroom
That make sense. I didn't use a lot if tech until 2008. The most I did was use a computer at home, and the library. I would probably used less if I had friends to play outside with.
I've also heard about some of the farming practices, like (forgive me this is all word of mouth and weird memories) needing to bury an antler on a specific night relative to the moon to ensure good crops?
This feels like every damn media tells a lie. It feels like promoting more for some damn crazy school. Taking something away will make it more addicted later on.
@@herzogsbuick Hahaha no, we didn't have to do that lol. Might come from Demeter biodynamic farming? Idk a lot about it, but has something to do with the philosophy of Rudolf Steiner (waldorf schools are based on his principles)
BS. The public school system and common core bs mandate what can be taught. Teachers care, or they wouldn't teach. It isn't the most lucrative job,and you're working outside of school hours,too. Stop blaming teachers. It's the lawmakers who f up education.
I spend 10 hours a day on my IPad usually. It’s fine. I don’t waste my time on texting. I spend my time working and reading, while also watching educational videos like this one.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you use to teach, or how you teach as long as kids are interested in what they are learning and are being taught skills they can use.
Hunter Long Remember, Waldorf schools are often epicenters of vaccine-preventable disease outbreaks. Not necessarily the most critically-minded people. Learning to use a device is easy. That much is apparent from looking up from my device. Learning to use a device responsibly and effectively is difficult. that much is apparent from looking up from my device (and conversations with coworkers about basic computer/program functions).
@@krabes8613 Algebra? Worthless. History? Worthless. Arts and humanities? Worthless. Beyond basic literacy skills? Worthless. A basic sense of human progress? Worthless. Yep, a complete waste of time, all that.
they are using technology such as: pens, paper, desk, chair. However they are not using digital/electronic technology. Technology is things that we have made to make tasks or doing things easier, like sitting at a desk to write or writing on paper instead of a stone tablet.
The fact they do most of their assignments handwritten is something I shouldn’t have to miss. In my hs we did nearly ALL of our work on computers, it was horrible for my eyes and I’d always ask to do it handwritten instead, some of the teachers would get frustrated at me like, we aren’t supposed to live on computers
they'll mix with the "wrong" crowd. A big reason why parents send their kids to high fees schools is the selection by money. So they end up with similar kids in term of wealth and education. This network and its "codes" are probably the biggest determinants for their future.
Thanks for this. As a retired (escaped) teacher this is reassuring. I taught for ten years in the Los Angele public schools. I wound up as a Pool Teacher, which meant that I went to lots of different schools, taught every possible subject. It gave me an amazing overview of what goes on in schools. Students staring at phones? In the majority of schools it was impossible to get students to put their phones away. The basic attitude of the adults was 'this is impossible,' but the next school over, same everything, except: no phones out in classes. Difference? Schoolwide practice of no phones in class. I noticed a couple of things. First, it takes only about 1/3rd of teachers insisting on a good practice, like no phones, use of daily planners to achieve very high compliance rates. In my first school we used to have teams, where the same teachers would teach the same population of students, as this practiced faded away the teacher 'teams' still met, but only shared about 1/3rd of our students. My colleague suggested we insist on students using their planners. It worked. So rule of thumb, 1/3rd of teachers reaching 1/3rd of students can result in significant changes. (Serious endemic problem in education. Something like this is successful, and... yet it doesn't spread. It might get mentioned, but there's no follow through. Skinner had far more success with pigeons than actual results has on education. Support. Secondary schools are full of students in various cliques, by far the most effective are the mean girls. The adults do this too. What I noticed (as an annoying person) is that when you are on the 'outs' with the teacher clique (never a majority of the staff, but always dangerous to get on the wrong side of) school behavior and academic expectations in your class are not supported. Result? Classes are chaotic, students won't do what's asked. See we said he was a bad teacher, but the broader effect is to undermine the school's culture. (One day a student blurted out, 'M..X hates you.' Really? Had I said this about another teacher I'd be fired. After that I'd casually ask students what teachers at their school thought of each other. In every case some teacher(s) wanted other teachers burned at the stake. It was like 7th grade mean girls, just as intense and just as useless and unfair.) I remember one teacher who was driven out of a school, months later a colleague was bad mouthing her. He was more 'in' I was more 'out'. I asked him, 'So who's next?' He had a name. There will always be a 'next' and one day it'll be you. My best advice? Who is the worst most unliked teacher in your school? Who is the worst student? Support them, help them. When they succeed everyone else will be easier. A new kid who misbehaves? They should begin hearing other students say, "Keep this up and you are going to have 20 new adult friends who just can't spend enough time with you." School administration policies are invariably about everybody all at once and they almost always change nothing. The student who does no work in period one, will do no work in period two... so why is he allowed to go to period two? (A principal who didn't like me at all stopped by my room during I think, 3rd period. This student was still sitting there since period one. I thought, uh-oh, I'm going to get it.... but she was intelligent (which made her not liking me sting a lot more). She was okay with it. He finished his assignment and was happy. A few weeks of this and he'd be passing his classes. So the Waldorf school. Terrific, and in this video are a lot of their 'secrets.' How much does it cost to have less tech? teach students to sew? chickens? This video could be incredibly useful to teachers, parents and students. And who are the Waldorf school kids? They come from wealthy, successful families that have high expectations for them. Except for Spring Break trips to Macchu Pichu, all you need is a library, no TV, and positive support. Except for the trip to Macchu Pichu, the key parts of raising a brilliant child are not expensive, but they do require positive parental involvement. If I've had any intellectual success I can trace it back to growing up the kid of a carpenter and learning solid practical mechanical skills (not building some cute kit, but learning how to frame houses), reading (my friend read a lot so I read a lot. There is only one thing more powerful than reading 100 books, that's reading 500 books.) Finally, mistrusting experts. This last one is a bit dubious, but really helps if you are in organizations (or a family) that have institutionalized failure. UN stats kept since the 1950s indicate that there has been zero improvement in the actual education levels over the past 50 years. All those school 'reforms,' the 'new initiative', 'the 20 or 70 million dollar reading program'? All completely and utterly useless. The practical mechanical skills I developed gave me a clear sense of what works, what doesn't and how to think more clearly. I think this will work and then it doesn't; what do I need to do differently? (Managers have a much more difficult task, they make an assumption, order an action...and it didn't work, but why? It's not just the manager and a bicycle, it's a manager with several other people there are lots more 'moving parts'; it's a lot more difficult figuring out what exactly didn't work and how to fix it.) Over use of screen time. Is it symptom or cause? Everything in this video is actually about positive feedback loops. What are the results of each practice we see in the video? Not going to the Waldorf school won't ruin your future and too much screen time won't make a kid suicidal or homicidal; but ultimately what a child, or any of us spends more time doing will reinforce that behavior and amplify the results. This amplification is the real long term consequence. Learning is not simply the cumulation of education, it's the acceleration of being able to learn more and more efficiently, which in turn.... Learning is not arithmetical, it's exponential. So you're young, can't afford the Waldorf, parents and teachers don't 'get it?' Read a lot of books. But you're failing and you read at a low level. The sooner you get started. Life is really long, so what if you're five years behind, get started. Reading leads to a greater ability to think in complex ways. (And if you can't understand what you're reading, read it again. If a book is particularly useful, read it again. I've been in too many teacher 'trainings' where the person instructing completely misunderstands the concept they're instructing us about. Am I smarter than that person? Probably not, but I'd read that book twice to make sure I understood.) What does more time staring at Instagram, smoking weed, staring at a blank wall... lead to? Know what the teachers in the public schools are doing? We're sitting in meetings about how the 'new reading program' is going to improver 'our' reading scores. Who's reading scores? The students. What's more effective for a student's reading score: what someone else does in a meeting, or that student reading a book? Just imagine what actual happens in a three hour meeting the goal of which is to get someone not there to read more. Now string together dozens of these meetings. I've begged to be let out of these meetings so I can sit in a roomful of students collecting cell phones and handing out books. Nope. The meeting is 'too important.' Remember what Good Will Hunting says " you dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a *** education you coulda got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library." Okay, cranky ex-teacher rant over. And anyone who's read this far, thank you and accept my sincere apologies for taking up your time. And do not thank me; go read a book. I don't want to be liked, I want you to learn.
Thank you. I am putting my phone down right now, grabbing a snack, and getting back to the book I started a few days ago. I worked in a community college for a long time as support staff and I can see that you do know what you're talking about and I wish you weren't the one who needed to escape being a teacher. I escaped, too. The meetings were hopeless, I did so much more tutoring than anything else in my career.
they act like screens are bad so they restrict screen time. thats just so low-class. teaching kids how to use these screens effectively should be the main goal of the school.
@@gianniclaud steve jobs prohibited devices because he was scared if her kids getting addicted to devices! With a device or not, his kids could easily borrow a friend's phone to play and can still be exposed to some of the dangers of tech nowadays. IF he could teach his kids how to use these gadgets of the new age it would seriously be much better
@Andreas Sagen i never said anything about having lots of screen time and being more effective because of screen time. kids should be teached on how to use screens responsibly. or how to use these screens to their own benefit (of course not as a replacement for thinking and ideas). its like extreme left wing and right wing. better to find a balance in between.
Your comment is backwards. From the video the UC Irvine professor says that children from low income families use screens on average of 3 more hours per day. No, the main goal of school should not be to teach children how to use screens effectively. The main goal should be to teach one how to think. Once a human learns foundational skills like dexterity, hand eye coordination, logic the learning of pushing digital buttons on a flat screen is easy. Since 35% of the Sacramento Waldorf school graduating students go into STEM (science, technology, engineering , math) its clear that no tech till 7-8 grade did not stunt these humans from living in the modern world
Jeez, am I the only person that growing up played a lot outside and was able to use the internet unregulated in a healthy balance? Or is that more common then we are lead to believe?
Kids today don't play outside. We live in a culture of fear- God forbid your 8 year old spends 5 minutes alone with friends...and I have a kid. I see no kids in their yards, ever. And teens who hang out together stare at their phones. I miss the 90s. We may have been latchkey kids, but we had our own real life social networks.
Not using modern tech in school is not extreme. Humanity did just fine without it for 200,000 years. It's been proven you learn better when not using a screen, and for many kids it can be addictive
i grew up with a school that had one old mac per class which was hardly used and in highschool we would have to go to the library or the tech room to use computers . It was fine . this is not extreme in any regard . It will only seem extreme to people 18 and under . everyone else grew up with out this many computers . Kids can still learn computers by having them at home they dont need them at school they are intuitively designed . There are more disadvantages to relying on them heavily than there are positives for using them all the time. The teens I have worked with lately have terrible attention spans and horrible hand writing . It is difficult to understand notes they leave and they are not good at hands on things . ( I am only 25 and I see the difference )
Lol yeah they make it sound like they were raised better. Back then kids got spanked. Kids in six grades are learning programming. What are these guys doing ? Playing tag. Cute.
@@MrNosugarcoating No one is saying that Kids shouldn't learn to program. They are saying kids shouldn't be using cellphones and media devices. Social media platforms are detrimental to a person's social development, and many apps are designed to be addictive.
@@MrNosugarcoating The people who create the technology think its dangerous for children but hey give it to your kids as early as possible if you like.
@@ericcartmann nowadays, I see very few 6-12 year old kids on the playground, and the few that I do see are staring down at their phones completely silent and not playing together it's actually creepy.
I feel it is great for preschool and elementary school. For older kids knowing how to use technology is a useful skill. Dont fight tech. Teach your kids to do something else, especially before high school age in which media are literaly detrimental
I graduated in 2019 before the complete use of chromebooks and we had actual mandated classes to learn technical skills in typing photoshop and how to use Word giving a kid a chrombook doesnt mean they will use these skills without guidance
Not to mention, "Home Etc." classes faded over 10+ years back from public schooling and now it's for the elite. Losing music programs every year. The quality gap to divide social classes widens.
On one hand I kind of agree that media is a bad influence, but on the other hand I feel like these kids will be disconnected from culture, since almost nobody else is doing this.
I agree with everyone, they’ll have a solid grip on reality unlike those used to instant gratification due to electronic devices, example. How many parents do you see myself included when you don’t want your child to be bored or a nuisance as you’re out and about running errands?
@4:23 Lady, my free and public high school also taught how to crotchet, sew and knit too. we got patterns from books AND ONLINE This school really isn’t special, it’s so ridiculous
I thought I was crazy watching this lol my school taught that too and almost every school when I grew up it was called home ec. And we had woodshop, tech elec and auto shop and the school still has these classes for free and if you don’t know how to sow a button I’m sure you can learn here on UA-cam
Because The Rich Elite know thats Our future! That's why all these survivalist channels & living under ground or and in bunkers & off the grid is so popular now.
I went to a Waldorf School. They were super deep into homeopathy and other pseudo science. They wasted hours per day on useless activities and I was unprepared for high school when I got out.
I suppose it depends on the sort of person and what learning style they have. My girlfriend went to a Waldorf school throughout her entire schooling. She went to one of the best universities in germany and now she’s a biologist. I think we have to realise that not one method of schooling is going to suit everyone
I used to teach at a Reggio Emilia preschool which is a play-based approach where technology is limited in class. In my school, the teachers had a computer to email and make yearbooks for the kids, but the kids never saw a glowing screen during class time, instead they got to play, explore different centers, and make art. Waldorf schools are not the same as a traditional school that doesn't have the budget for computers, Waldorf kids are taught to think for themselves, be independent, and learn about the world through art, storytelling, and nature. Kids learn at their own pace and get individual attention from their teachers. In many Waldorf schools, students can have the same teacher for several years, so they build a close bond and the teachers really know their students and see their journey as they grow. My issue with Waldorf is that teachers still tell kids what to do and make them all do the same activity instead of letting them choose what they want to learn, which is what the Reggio approach is. It's still better than a traditional school and it's better for kids to explore nature and make art using real material instead of clicking on a screen all day. Kids don't need to learn how to use technology, it's actually bad for young kids to use phones and iPads since it affects their attention span, mood, sleep, and ability to entertain themselves with their own imagination. Tech is purposely made to be user-friendly and easy to use, so just like I was able to use a smartphone and other tech as an adult since that stuff didn't exist when I was a kid or teenager, kids who grow up tech-free will easily be able to use technology when they get older. They're not missing anything from not having tech as kids and are gaining a lot by growing up without it.
Rudolf Steiner was a very religious man, he mixed up his own brand of Christianity based on theosofy. He was of the opinion that technology was from the devil. I'm not saying all Waldorf teachers believe this, but that is where it comes from.
In my place, parents can give their child phone at any age, but here the thing, we don't bring them to school. High school kid sometimes bring them, but they only use it when they out of the school. You don't use it in class, you don't use it at lunch. We have computer class, but it's only on Sunday and for an hour. That's it. I don't understand what's up with these "tech free school" it's just a school.
This is awesome. Many people on computers HAVE NO IDEA of what they are actually doing and cannot FATHOM the concepts BEHIND what they are actually doing. Examples can be how to research PROPERLY and obtain FIRST SOURCE INFORMATION AND PEER REVIEWED DATA AND ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT FOR YOURSELF IF THE PRIMARY SOURCE WAS VALID! Also, a GROWING NUMBER of Architectural and Engineering students don’t REALLY know the THEORIES AND HANDS ON APPLICATIONS OF WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING OR DESIGNING AND RARELY CAN EXTRAPOLATE DESIGN FLAWS INTO THE REAL WORLD. (I have noticed this trend and it is VERY WORRISOME...especially when these people are learning to design buildings, roads, bridges, etc.). LOL Starting kids, “hands on”, is an awesome foundation. ANYONE CAN PICK UP COMPUTER SKILLS LATER ON - if they really choose to do so. “Spell check”, is a useless nightmare - it creates more errors than it actually solves. And people NEVER LEARN to spell. There is something intrinsically beneficial to the mind and body by PHYSICALLY LOOKING UP A WORD OR LOOKING UP A GRAMMATICAL RULE. PHYSICALLY RESEARCHING something creates new pathways in the brain and facilitates ACTUAL learning. I WAS APPALLED to find out that some USA schools stopped teaching script in school. Learning cursive writing activates a different part of the brain than typing or writing block letters. (After not writing cursive for a time, I find that I have to concentrate more to get a proper fluidity in connecting the letters). I still feel that the more hands on you are, the stronger your intellectual acumen - and this may even stave off dementia latter in life. There have actually been studies on French Nuns and their very low incidence of dementia; because they always keep mentally stimulating their minds all throughout their lives.
This isn't a good thing. It's all about maintaining a balance, not about completely shutting something out of their lives. When you do that, especially with children and teens, they're eventually going to rebel and go to the exact extreme opposite of things. Technology can be extremely beneficial in our lives. Teach them responsible use of technology and how to maintain a healthy balance with the use of phones, social media etc. Once these kids leave this environment and return to the "real world" you've alienated them from a society that actively uses technology 24/7 and they're either going to rebel or lose control because they haven't been taught control, they've been taught absence.
I visited a waldorf school here in Germany and grew up without a TV or video games at home. I believe it's great for children to be encouraged to play outside and also to learn to make actual thinks with your hand like, doing pottery, knitting, wood carving, welding etc. As a Teenager i wished we had programming classes and learned how to use different software. For instance during art classes it makes sense to use programs like photoshop and InDesign rather than just working with paper and brush. Also tuition is far less expensive here, ranging between 150 to 180 € per month. I wouldn't pay 30.000 Dollars (I guess it's for a year?) to send my children to a waldorf school.
No, it just puts kids behind. What world do you think these kids are going to be living in? I’ll give you the answer, they’re going to be living with even more technology. This is not setting kids up for success, older people always think the way their generation grew up was better.
What if one of the students wants a career of their own in the tech field? are they gonna sew a llama and hope they get accepted into an elite college? or is daddy going to pay for that too? This is such a toxic and ostracizing way to teach IMO
Tech free school is nothing but the old school. Its good at least they become people of tactile, verbal imaginative and when comouter is down they wont have a problem they adapt easy
I LOVE this concept! I'm so sick of seeing cell phones and computers. Sometimes I wish we could go back to writing letters instead of texting. It was so personal. Let's face it - These kids are going to use tech when they get home so I don't see anything wrong with an 8 hour break. (Please don't tap on my face. It will hurt really bad.)
The thing is a lot of the kids don't get tech at home either. When we went online for covid, I was in a class of 11-12 year old none of which knew how to use a computer. This might have just been my school, but they made my parents sign agreements to not let me use any tech.
Or teach your kid self control to know the right and wrong time of using technology in a social setting so you can save thousands of dollars that isn’t necessary lol
They are teaching children the right and wrong time to use technology. The wrong time to use technology is when you're a developing child, learning how to interact with others and other soft skills that can't be caught up on later like computers can.
Is it only me but when I saw there is a gardening teacher it made me think of Hagrid, maybe this is the Hogwarts of Earth, even the name is Waldorf is not ordinary
These rich parents should sent their kids to developing countries in Asia. These kids will get the following benefits: 1. Tech-free schooling without pretending to be tech free 2. Substantially low tuition cost that one-day work in US McDonald's can pay for one semester or annual fee 3. Learn the second language in real life atmosphere with zero chance of speaking English 4. Experience multicultural diversity that cannot be seen in their rich counties 5. Make friend with foreigners without risking your kids or their friends being illegal aliens 6. Virtually low or no remittance needed since your kids can grow their own foods and make their own clothing and much more! Come and study in developing Asia! Turn you kids' tech-free tuition into their college money so that they can study whatever they want without getting a student loan!
Good stuff - I'm glad I'm just old enough to have been educated prior to the technology boom yet also within its core now - benefits of both worlds and this concept of introducing a no tech education is purposeful in balancing that same thing now during a full technological revolution - good work
I personally think that by restricting screen time usage and use of technologies actually is restricting a child’s talent in Media, Video, Design and Coding. Let’s say a child from a public school will have a good understanding of programming which is a highly beneficial life skill whereas for private schools like these, kids would have limited knowledge about it. Who agrees?
i agree, I have a pasion for computer science and I want to develop video games- the only problem is I only have 4 years to learn how to use technology before I graduate.
@@jekdndn2420 no, what's dumb is kids checking their Twitter when they should be learning how to _program_ Twitter. Sucker mentality versus winner mentality. Pick you side, you can't be on both.
Year 2013 I am still using payphone when I was in in secondary school. Right now I don't even see a payphone cuz even the poorest people have smartphone is a norm. Payphone it's like an antique
I was skeptical about this at first. I thought the same things many people thought about their privilege, their ability to go outside easily, the fact that they won't have to worry about a job but these are students who will be in positions of power in the future just due to the genetic lottery. Maybe it wouldn't be bad for them to see the natural world and their fellow classmates as important and that way they may want to help make the world more like that for everyone. They will be privileged either way, so maybe making them connect with others is a good thing.
Do tech executives really send their students to a Waldorf school located in Sacramento? That is a 2 hour drive from Silicon Valley. The title seems a bit misleading...
I'm pretty sure tech "executives" probably make enough to have more than one house. Entirely possible to have one house by Silicon Valley and another in Sacramento.
As a public school educator, I agree. It's all about experience. Kids these days don't have it. They also don't know how to talk... In regards to everything, they don't know how to talk to resolve things, ask for things, talk with friends, etc. They don't know how to behave. They also have lost their focus and everything is boring. Most importantly, they can't listen.
Noah Lawrence implying that I’m not also both of those things and haven’t done at least a decent amount of thinking on it. Studies have shown that over the last several generations attention spans have been on a steady decline. This is due at least in part to a massive increase in the ease of access to content, both for entertainment and education. The end result is that there is a much lower emphasis on critical thinking because everything is just a few keystrokes away. Again, I’ll just go ahead and say that being bored is not a bad thing. And also, driving children to boredom is implying that anything not involving technology is boring. There are countless things you can do that don’t involve technology and are anything but boring.
I'm an engineer. I can design a robot that can fix my clothes. I don't need to learn to do it by hand. It hasn't been a valuable skill for decades. I agree that kids shouldn't be stuck in front of a screen, but the polar opposite isn't any better.
I get what you are saying but I teach at a school where students are immersed with technology from grade 3. I have to be honest I wish we didn't use it until grade 8 or 9. I notice these students use their phones way to much. Even when they are not allowed to use it during school hours, as soon as the bell rings they use their phones. They have friends but all of their interactions come from their phones or digital engagement. I know she said that teens are not more depressed because of device use but because they use it badly but as a teacher it's very difficult to teach students to use it wisely when there is very little help at home. For example, I see students in grade six bully each other using Instagram in horrendous manners and yes it's a teachable moment but while we were in school we might have only experienced it at school these kids get it at home and at school. I feel that maybe at a younger age if we let them develop better friendships and people skills that at an older age they might be able to use it more wisely at an older age. Who knows I could change my mind next year but I'm just talking from my experience now.
@@yasminesami2238 I sort of agree, but I need to mention I'm an Asperger and my family moved a lot when I was young. While I did make a few friends in school, I don't think I'm the best guy to judge what's normal in the context you describe.
I really like this Waldorf school but not having tech in and of itself does crap-all for building social connections. I was born in '89 and didn't get a cell phone until my senior year of high school. I had used computers my whole life but mainly at school, so it wasn't unlimited access. My family had one off and on, but computers also wouldn't become a staple until high school. So, that leaves TV and game consoles. Those were prevalent my entire life, but I never got lost in them. Two brothers made me playing the console a rarity and I learned to enjoy watching them play and I would play minimally. And while I enjoyed TV, I had a handful of favorite shows but when those ended, I pulled away from the screen and did something else. Played with toys. Read a book. Wrote a grammatically incorrect but nonsensical, funny story. And sometimes I played outside, though I stopped doing that for the most part by the time I was 11. The one constant to all of this? I've always been a social outcast. I'll admit that I had some of it coming to me as I was an oddity, despite my best efforts, but fifteen schools growing up can't be wrong. Moving always provided me a chance to try to reinvent myself but i could never really achieve it. Finding myself a pariah didn't happen because of tech. In my case...it saved me. But there's some other big differences this Waldorf school has that isn't in most schools. Smaller class sizes means more focus on students, more engagement. A teacher doesn't just brush it off as not their problem when they have a student that sits by themselves every single day because they just don't have the time or energy to focus on that. I don't blame them as being a teacher is probably the hardest job dealing with kids, even more difficult than being a parent because you're essentially babysitting upwards of 30+ kids, 8 hours a day, five days a week, ten and a half months of the year. Add in the vast background of those kids and you have a setting that's easily a level 10 stress inducer. I agree with the woman here who mentioned a balance is needed. You could have the most bare-bones school or the fanciest and at the end of the day, while what is taught can be very important for developing good social and communication skills, I say it's more about how its taught. If I could pick, though, I would certainly prefer this other kind of school.
All of these people in the comments are saying that they don't see any kids playing outside or Socially interacting with other people like THEY did, but you simply cannot compare kids today with your childhood and assume that your childhood experiences are the best way. Now I'm not saying that the "digital way" is the best way, nor am I saying it's the worst way, its just the way for kids today. Now right now you could still get away with putting your kids in schools like this because some of the skills they learn in those schools can still be used to make good money, but in the future once the world becomes more tech saturated it could put them at a disadvantage because those skills won't be needed anymore but tech skills will. Overall you can't keep kids away from tech forever if you want them to succeed in life.
Schools who don't have funding for high tech education should rebrand as these types of schools; they'd be a hit!
👎Do you have any idea how much a book little alone 30 for one class or even a whole library costs. For real just the one teachers edition book for one subject will be just as much as a single computer. One computer replaces an infinite number of books. So unless your just teaching them skills which requires skills teachers and funds then this idea is just a good idea to get👍
@@jerrydurantiii3360 but you're forgetting you still have to buy licensing for those digital books. Which in some cases cost just as much. Also upkeep of the technology would be much more expensive.
Except there's so much more than just no-screen with the Waldorf schools that most schools have 0 ideas about.
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Jerry Durant III except books you only have to buy once and can make copies of. There’s not any major reason to buy them every year unless there’s major changes in the curriculum and if a kid doesn’t have a book it’s not that big of a deal.
If a kid doesn’t have a computer, on the other hand, they’re completely left behind because they can’t even do the work. Giving kids a “free” computer and expecting them to take care of it can be a bit much; whereas it doesn’t matter that much if they destroy a book so long as they can still do the work (though they should probably get punished in some way to know not to do that again)
Not to mention that digital textbooks usually have DRM so that they can ONLY be used for a year, while regular books are available all the time past purchase (it’s just workbooks that need repurchasing each year, and that’s dependent on use)
I grew up like this and now it cost $35,000.00
Dude, then that means kids in third world countries are so much better off.
LMAO so true, ironic and, ridiculous
Same here, I'm from Namibia and even when I was in a private school for a short time we had two classes of 30 min each a week that were centered around learning the basics of using a computer. And owning a phone was unheard of unless you were a teenager. Schools are still pretty much the same 10 years after I left, and only rich kids get phones before they're 14 or so.
Did you grow up saying no to screens while everybody else around you was using a phone? Or did you grow up being the same with everybody else and doing whatever everybody else was doing, too?
Same here you don’t need a school for this
Lol steve jobs goes by the slogan “the dealer never consumes”
#4 - Never get high on your own supply
Wait , so you aren't suppose to get high on your products?
Most accurate comment on this video.
So Did Every Successful Drug pusher in the 80s
@@badddgurlll970 That was Tony Montana's downfall.
In Zimbabwe we don’t call this a tech free school......
just school.
Same in West Africa 🤷🏽♀️
In from california and it's the same for my school district. We literally a small school district so money for tech is limited.
Yeah 1st world problems here 😂🤦♀️
😂 in the schools I’ve been to, they’ve been to poor to paint the building let alone buy a school new laptops or ipads
Same in the Caribbean - Trinidad and Tobago lol. Americans are hilarious
I enjoyed watching this in my paper notebook.
artmario dead 😂
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artmario right 😂
Lol! 😂
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“In the end it is the poor who will be chained to the computer; the rich will get teachers." ~Forbes magazine 1984
i know its an old comment but pls explain more uwu
@@hoodie7066 In 1984 FORBES published an article about the promise of computers in the schools. The magazine's technology editor took issue with the article's embrace of the computer revolution: "The computer is a tool, like a hammer or a wrench, not a philosophers' stone. What kind of transformation will computers generate in kids? Just as likely as producing far more intelligent kids is the possibility that you will create a group of kids fixated on screens -- television, videogame or computer." He predicted that "in the end it is the poor who will be chained to the computer; the rich will get teachers."
Source:
www.forbes.com/forbes/1998/0323/6106134a.html
Well he was wrong and right as the rich also travel a lot in some cases so the tutors can and also are virtual in a lot of cases like I have seen one Chinese tech company owner does with his son.
I agree that parents with a lot more wealth can just hire tutors no matter if they are in person or virtual giving their children a one on one advantage with less distraction and more focus on their child and how they personally learn best.
I see this in wealth people who still send their children too public school. The kids with wealthy parents always seem smarter but it usually is because after school and on weekends they have tutors which in turn makes them have an advantage of their poor peers who don’t have this luxury.
AI tutors are not a thing. this comment aged well
For real thats a quote on Forbes?
In America: Tech free school
In developing countries: just school
Man, This is So True
other than the premium the parents are paying for these schools in the bay area -- who cares?
Exactly! Like here in the Philippines,
Yeah
So now Italy is a developing country?😂
It wasn't too long ago that we all were hearing how schools that didn't have enough tech were disadvantaged.
While I watching that is precisely the thought I had. My how things have changed. I think the best approach is a balance of both Tech and non Tech.
@@4daluvofnikki Exactly!
That was a trick to get politicians to spend tons of money to get tech in schools, which benefits the companies. It’s a scam.
Waldorf is older than that news. You only probably heard of this approach now but it has always been in existence. Idealistic hipsters love it for sure. But honestly, these kids are super disadvantaged now when it comes to jobs in the IT/tech sector. Schools who had actual technology funding can start having computer science classes as early as 2nd grade. If one of these waldorf kids develope a love for computer languages, he is already far behind by then.
@@usucktoo However Steve Jobs didn't grow up having a Mac in 2nd grade. It's the creativity that matters.
I basically got a Waldorf education in Jamaica, for free! 😁
Loi Laing 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
Yep.... 😀
Same
Same in Italy
You know Loi, Barbados, lol.
Too bad most public schools don't have access to their low tech teaching options like, a working farm, gardens or lower teacher to student ratios.
Recovery Rage yet public schools that are struggling with funding still invest millions on technology.
Here in Philly, there are school that don't even have enough books. They teach with packets.
Yeah, they _would_ - if they chose to spend their money that way [if each school _could_ decide how to spend its money]. It's a matter of mission and philosophy and choices. Most public schools don't bother with those things, so they accept what is passed - or sent- from a higher level.
Recovery Rage that would be great- that’s cause they are connected to the state- public schools are so underfunded
Honestly it's weighed options. Obviously community public schools consist of a lot of students and not enough teachers or classrooms even to handle it. If you want to send your kids to a school with more one on one you have 3 options that comes to mind. 1.) Private school that is more one on one small class ratio. Private schools also tend to take more field trips that are good for growth and development. As well as personalized learning/development into adulthood at a young age. You also know exactly what is being taught to your child and you have a say in it. Negatives it tends to cost a lot depending on the private school. 2.) Home schooling. Pros you get to spend one on one with your child and yourself plan outings that you feel benefit your child. You also get a flexible schedule and don't have to worry about planning family outings. Negative effects home schooling tends to leave children anti social so transition into college or even the outside world tends to be difficult most home schooled kids have really bad social anxiety and don't know how to cope with college life. 3.) Which I feel meets everything in the middle. Just hire a tutor. Your child gets one on one help with weak subjects it tends to be more affordable as well. Another good option is simply being involved in your child's education plan. Talk to their teachers check in daily on how they are doing in school. Most teachers I've experience have enough time on request to email parents about how the child is doing. It isn't just the teachers job to educate it's the parents too. Children crave routine it's proven to be a big help on optimal learning and skill development.
rich people spending too much money to experience being poor..... Ah classic
what is stopping you to be rich and successful in the USA?
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ilia L The USA system has rigged it to be more expensive to be poor. Look it up.
shantanu kulkarni Waldorf schooling has been going on since 1919, Bud
@@hannahbrown8945 Thats why I said classic... Since Egyptian empire rich humans are doing this.... Paying lots of money to experience poverty for limited time
*college debt is at an all time high, students are realizing that college doesn’t mean guaranteed jobs anymore, higher degrees are often needed, companies are constantly trying to pay as little as possible and good entry level jobs are waning, the environment is being destroyed by companies but the blame is being placed on private citizens, companies use technology to spend as little as possible and put people out of work instead of enriching lives, etc*
Older adults: it’s technology that’s making these kids anxious.
Couldn’t have said it better myself! There are so many other factors in this mix than just “technology is bad”. I guess they assume that’s all that’s changed since their childhood so that must clearly be the reason for bad mental health (which isn’t true at all.)
That's why we need free college.
#FreeCollege
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I was born in 1986 so obviously growing up we really didnt have much 'tech' besides learning how to type. I don't feel my education turned out stunted in any regard. That being said, I do think it's hilarious people have to pay nearly 40k to go back to high school in the late 90s 😂
🤣 Yeah, good point!
By the way, I was born in '86 too!
Likewise! And I agree with your viewpoint
I grew up learning how to do things without computers but that being said I find there is very little value in that in the real world. Businesses don't care how you do something so long as you meet the requirements and deadline. Generally speaking doing simple math by hands is much slower for most than just punching it into a calculator. Better yet is just using Excel which is very powerful tool that I'm just learning to utlize cause of my new job
good point! but today's tech education merits outweigh old system, especially when it comes to gamification of learning
Dennis Pietrandrea I think you’re missing the point; you can be just as efficient using technology without being wired 24/7. Just look at the other countries who lead the US in education. The US is far behind many countries in education nowadays.
I’ll save you time:
There is no proof that tech-free is better for students. Good teachers and involved parents are what make healthier, happier students
Check out the Shallows by Nicholas G. Carr: Research shows there are negative effects on the brain due to extended internet usage.
how do kids learn handwriting now when they are typing all the time ? how do they learn to ask a person instead of google or how to read a big book instead of short videos online ? do they learn how to sew a button ?
@@Ravenousyouth Involved Teachers. That's how.
Ravenous youth | Just don’t let them use the computer the entire time ya dingus. In my school we only use computers when needed, and if we have book work we will do book work. Computers were only for researching, typing papers to be printed out (only did it once), and online programs/ tests we couldn’t do with just paper. Computers also just save time when researching thing, not to say that books are horrible but a computer makes things way faster. So if computers make things faster, and this school already had time for the other extra things then we could just use computers to make whatever researching is needed to go by faster / easier and then do other things like sewing.
Abby Gait Plus, growing up rich and privileged
$35,000 tuition for going back to the schools in pre 1980's... Sounds right don't you think?
for rich people
Josh Jenks go to europe ( except northern countries) it is the same in lower classes
Most of the cost is due to the fact that the student to teacher ratio is very low and the teachers are well paid. If you have a quarter of the kids per teacher as compared to public school and the teachers make twice as much, the cost per student is 8x.
@@marionardailloux6553 I don't know where you're from (France, Belgium, Luxemburg maybe considering your name?) but in Greece public schools are provided for free and private schools cost between 4k and 8k per year regardless of grade
Dimitris Daskalakis i am from france. Education is free even university. I meant schools with little to no access to technology
Kids with phones is a bad idea. Tech-free is kinda extreme.
Just find a reasonable balance rather than non stop screen or no screen.
Everything in moderation.
We were extreme in the 90s and 80s? 🤘😂😉
@@apocalypsepow We had technology like VCRs and overhead projectors. These classrooms don't even use smart screens, which are very advantageous to allow teachers to quickly display concepts to the entire class, and can help students with certain disabilities keep up with the class. It's tedious to have to write everything with chalk, and some students probably can't read the board very well.
@@uglyvegan7945 half the lessons double the price lol
Totally agree
It isn’t extreme. High schools have become a breeding ground for bullying and puts kids at an increased risk of suicide and mental disorders like anxiety. It’s not a game. Access to tech (and social media as a byproduct) is getting out of hand. The only way to control it is if a school + parents make a pact to reduce tech usage in their community
Technology is not the problem, it's what you use it for...
You undersstimate the power of temptation. Using tech with responsibility is easier said than done.
I think the solution is just to punish students for using their phones. That what my school does and it works well
I got no scoped in 2007 and it changed everything
@@reynanhenry612 And abstinence teaches children how to use technology in a constructive and healthy way?
That's almost exactly what I was going to say
"This isn't tech free school.
It's just *school* "
-third world country.
i don't get why everyone says that ? In Europe there are no screens either in class except maybe for computer classes 1h a week
@Cainite Ventrue"The concept itself has become outdated as it no longer represents the current political or economic state of the world." And surprise, surprise, I'm from 3rd world country, in both 'concept'
So tech parents sent their kids here to teach them about life skills that they can't because they are too busy at work and can't spend their time with them.
That may be part of it. I'm sure they also realize tech isn't everything and if that's all we focus on we'll lose our ability to survive as humans if/when tech fails or there's a major economic collapse.
Most people don't know how to take care of animals, forage or grow food anymore, especially those of lower economic status because they have neither the land, time, nor resources - which forces them to have to rely on the system for everything.
This type of education gives the children of the wealthy the best preparation for survival (and control) regardless of what happens.
They know exactly what they're doing.
No they send their kids to these schools because they know first hand how addicting technology is and how much it affects the development of social skills in kids.
@@jr3753 1. I don't think it's addictive, just PARENT YOUR KIDS! If your kid ends up addicted, it's the parent's fault. Set a limit.
Can't argue with the social part.
@@Ottstop If your kids are stuffed with technology all day long it would be hard to get them to stop when they get home. It's better to have them use very little to no tech while they are learning the basic world.
@@sunnyedaize1262 its mainly resorces. If you want to hunt, you need a license and to be registered and sometimes to pay a fee to hunt a certain animal. If you want to grow food, you need your own land. Both can be expensive depending on where you live. In many places in the US, collecting rain water is illegal and solar power cant be your only form of electricty. The government makes it very hard for people to be self sufficient. And forget about living in the woods and building a little shack there the government will tear it down as soon as they find it. This is the real reason people arent able to be self sufficent..tech doesnt affect that laws and regulations do.
Confession: I used a tech device to watch this
Carlos Spicy Weiner they needa step it up
Sounds like age appropriate to me.
I watched in the cloud
Kittys cat how is it up there
*gasp*
I attend a Steiner (Waldorf) school as a senior student, it’s honestly so beautiful and having come from the Australian public school system, it’s something I can really appreciate for the difference. There is such a huge focus placed on being with nature, and understanding the world around us. With obscure, physical-based classes (e.g. gardening, metal work, sewing, wood work, lapidary, and more) that promote caring, a sense of community and a deeper understanding of our world and the people around us a whole. I’m blessed to attend such a beautiful hippie school. We use limited technology, but maintain, in my eyes, a balance. I use technology a lot at home, having never fully adhered to the Steiner philosophy and grown up in a family where this was normal, but school is a welcome reprieve from the online world. We use a self-based learning experience, where each student has the ability and opportunity to learn at a pace that suits their needs but still give them the required knowledge of that subject. We do, in fact, do coding as a class, but I attend a more “progressive” Waldorf school that compared to many typical Steiner schools has incorporated a greater amount of technology into their curriculum. (By that I mean I have like 3 classes that don’t require me to use a mechanical pencil and printer paper to write up assignments.)
I mean...there's this wonderful thing called a "healthy balance" but okay 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
Say it
And they should teach that in schools
Michelle Jones Thank you👏🏽👏🏽. As more jobs are moving online, they need to learn how to use technology too.
Michelle Jones that’s exactly what I’m saying
Bill gates & Steve Jobs “A dealer never uses his own product” lol
Jessie Lynn the segway creator sadly didn’t take this advice. 😔
Never get high on your own supply.
I love that they teach gardening, sewing etc. So good for teaching self suffeciency
I love that they do that, but I am not in a tech public school and I learned how to sew in 5th grade. We also did planting through out all of my school experience.
citizen human Waldorf schooling has been going on since 1919 :)
90’s baby here. My public school was low budget, so we barely got any tech time. My university was wealthy, but again, we got limited screen time in the classroom. I didn’t know I was so privileged?
This is literally just a normal school expect the handwork class, chickens and gladiator fights
mélanie Hi Mélanie ! Actually, it's not 😉. I went to a waldorf school and there is more than just what they show here. They left a HUGE part of what makes a steiner waldorf school a steiner warlder school. It's not just about low tech use, i'm sure you know what we see throught media is just a part of reality. I think it's important we remind ourselves to be curious and critical about what we see/hear/read etc.
I am curious, you have an "accent" in your name, where does it comes from ? I am from France.
Noémie ROLLINDE de BEAUMONT so what did they leave out? If you’re telling me that there is “more” to this school then why not say what makes a Steiner school a Steiner school?
Yeah I’m French, are you from the south or north?
mélanie I admit i was being a little bit lazy not wanting to write a block... plus i didn't want to appear "i know everything, read this"
Where am i from ? I lived near Disneyland Paris, Orléans, Tours, La Défense a Paris and now i live in Dordogne. Soooo hard to say i am from "there"... 😅
Noémie ROLLINDE de BEAUMONT I still think it’s just a normal school
Cool, the “de” in your name comes from french aristocracy right? No wonder you were in a private school lol
mélanie The "de" in my name is just a particule, it doesn't mean anything, it's for sure the only thing aristocratic about my family. My mother (my last name is not from her) worked very hard to pay for this school (plus us prices and french prices are not the same, of course) please do not make assumption about people you don't know. It is hurtful.
These students are so well spoken! As a school social worker in public schools who literally teaches children how to have a conversation, my message to all parents: interact face to face with your children!
I agree that tech should be limited in the lives of very young kids. I think play and creativity should be encouraged.
As someone who has been in Waldorf education through high school and middle school, I will say this portrayal is not entirely accurate. While in the very orthodox belief of Waldorf there should be no tech, that is far from the truth in these schools. In middle school and high schools, students are no different than at any other schools. All still glued to their phones and fully absorbed in media culture. I think these ideas of no tech rest mostly in the early years in the child's education. Teachers just put more emphasis on the value of human interaction. Nobodies riding around on horse and buggy lmao. Nobody I know has any sort of tech restrictions.
Oh, and for people wondering about the tuition, 90% of the people I know are on financial aid. only a handful of people can actually afford the tuition.
Duotang I’ve gone to Waldorf schools from pre-K through high school and I think this is pretty accurate. It’s obviously up to the parents how much their kids are on their phone at home, but we weren’t allowed to bring phones to school until middle school. In middle school we weren’t allowed to use them inside the school, only outside. In high school we could use them inside the building, but had to hand them in when we went into the classroom
That make sense. I didn't use a lot if tech until 2008. The most I did was use a computer at home, and the library. I would probably used less if I had friends to play outside with.
I've also heard about some of the farming practices, like (forgive me this is all word of mouth and weird memories) needing to bury an antler on a specific night relative to the moon to ensure good crops?
This feels like every damn media tells a lie. It feels like promoting more for some damn crazy school. Taking something away will make it more addicted later on.
@@herzogsbuick Hahaha no, we didn't have to do that lol. Might come from Demeter biodynamic farming? Idk a lot about it, but has something to do with the philosophy of Rudolf Steiner (waldorf schools are based on his principles)
What are they gonna do in college when they use laptops for everything 💀
alicia i litteraly dont know all schools in my country are like this and i am going to college next year ABROAD i dead
I think growing up without heavy dependence on tech can help them develop good social skills, which are very good for a good chunk of the work field.
Laptops aren't even hard to use, even my 3 year old cousin knows
Tech free school doesn't mean tech free home too. 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Right? Also wouldn’t you want kids and teens to learn tech as a skill like coding perhaps?
For those who are unaware all public schools in India are tech free 😁
@Rando Weeb hahaha
@Rando Weeb It's obvious.
@anonymous D yes private schools are really catching up
Yeah,I was also thinking the same.
and it costs much much less than waldorf
Biggie said it best " never get high on your own supply"
"when you have a phone you're forced to be social with people"
Nope. Not really. Because I've still got my books lmao
Exactly people act like phones are the only way to be anti social
This has nothing to do with Tech and everything to do with having teachers who care about their jobs.
Its completely about tech and its adverse affects!
BS. The public school system and common core bs mandate what can be taught. Teachers care, or they wouldn't teach. It isn't the most lucrative job,and you're working outside of school hours,too.
Stop blaming teachers. It's the lawmakers who f up education.
I'd also be careful with black and white thinking. Nothing is "all this" and "none of that".
I spend 10 hours a day on my IPad usually. It’s fine. I don’t waste my time on texting. I spend my time working and reading, while also watching educational videos like this one.
"Jobs hidn't let his kids use iPads." What, in the 80's?
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Lol these people dont know what they are talking about
I can only imagine if it's the level of unhealthy radiation
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you use to teach, or how you teach as long as kids are interested in what they are learning and are being taught skills they can use.
Hunter Long Remember, Waldorf schools are often epicenters of vaccine-preventable disease outbreaks. Not necessarily the most critically-minded people.
Learning to use a device is easy. That much is apparent from looking up from my device. Learning to use a device responsibly and effectively is difficult. that much is apparent from looking up from my device (and conversations with coworkers about basic computer/program functions).
past the 7th grade kids don’t care what they are learning and most of the things being taught are very useless
@@krabes8613 Algebra? Worthless. History? Worthless. Arts and humanities? Worthless. Beyond basic literacy skills? Worthless. A basic sense of human progress? Worthless.
Yep, a complete waste of time, all that.
WMDistraction agreed
@@krabes8613 Oof
Only in silicon valley could such an amazing scam flourish
@Peace Layton Very sad
they are using technology such as: pens, paper, desk, chair. However they are not using digital/electronic technology. Technology is things that we have made to make tasks or doing things easier, like sitting at a desk to write or writing on paper instead of a stone tablet.
In the Caribbean we use our grey matter, we do not pay fortune for socializing with others.
The fact they do most of their assignments handwritten is something I shouldn’t have to miss. In my hs we did nearly ALL of our work on computers, it was horrible for my eyes and I’d always ask to do it handwritten instead, some of the teachers would get frustrated at me like, we aren’t supposed to live on computers
Just send your kids to a lower income area public school.
And they'll learn what?
@@sunnyedaize1262 how to get on by, with street knowledge
they'll mix with the "wrong" crowd. A big reason why parents send their kids to high fees schools is the selection by money. So they end up with similar kids in term of wealth and education. This network and its "codes" are probably the biggest determinants for their future.
They play Fortnite IRL instead. Parachuting into school and pushing shopping carts with your friends inside really hones dexterity.
Thanks for this. As a retired (escaped) teacher this is reassuring. I taught for ten years in the Los Angele public schools. I wound up as a Pool Teacher, which meant that I went to lots of different schools, taught every possible subject. It gave me an amazing overview of what goes on in schools. Students staring at phones? In the majority of schools it was impossible to get students to put their phones away. The basic attitude of the adults was 'this is impossible,' but the next school over, same everything, except: no phones out in classes. Difference? Schoolwide practice of no phones in class.
I noticed a couple of things. First, it takes only about 1/3rd of teachers insisting on a good practice, like no phones, use of daily planners to achieve very high compliance rates. In my first school we used to have teams, where the same teachers would teach the same population of students, as this practiced faded away the teacher 'teams' still met, but only shared about 1/3rd of our students. My colleague suggested we insist on students using their planners. It worked. So rule of thumb, 1/3rd of teachers reaching 1/3rd of students can result in significant changes. (Serious endemic problem in education. Something like this is successful, and... yet it doesn't spread. It might get mentioned, but there's no follow through. Skinner had far more success with pigeons than actual results has on education.
Support. Secondary schools are full of students in various cliques, by far the most effective are the mean girls. The adults do this too. What I noticed (as an annoying person) is that when you are on the 'outs' with the teacher clique (never a majority of the staff, but always dangerous to get on the wrong side of) school behavior and academic expectations in your class are not supported. Result? Classes are chaotic, students won't do what's asked. See we said he was a bad teacher, but the broader effect is to undermine the school's culture. (One day a student blurted out, 'M..X hates you.' Really? Had I said this about another teacher I'd be fired. After that I'd casually ask students what teachers at their school thought of each other. In every case some teacher(s) wanted other teachers burned at the stake. It was like 7th grade mean girls, just as intense and just as useless and unfair.)
I remember one teacher who was driven out of a school, months later a colleague was bad mouthing her. He was more 'in' I was more 'out'. I asked him, 'So who's next?' He had a name. There will always be a 'next' and one day it'll be you. My best advice? Who is the worst most unliked teacher in your school? Who is the worst student? Support them, help them. When they succeed everyone else will be easier. A new kid who misbehaves? They should begin hearing other students say, "Keep this up and you are going to have 20 new adult friends who just can't spend enough time with you." School administration policies are invariably about everybody all at once and they almost always change nothing. The student who does no work in period one, will do no work in period two... so why is he allowed to go to period two? (A principal who didn't like me at all stopped by my room during I think, 3rd period. This student was still sitting there since period one. I thought, uh-oh, I'm going to get it.... but she was intelligent (which made her not liking me sting a lot more). She was okay with it. He finished his assignment and was happy. A few weeks of this and he'd be passing his classes.
So the Waldorf school. Terrific, and in this video are a lot of their 'secrets.' How much does it cost to have less tech? teach students to sew? chickens? This video could be incredibly useful to teachers, parents and students.
And who are the Waldorf school kids? They come from wealthy, successful families that have high expectations for them. Except for Spring Break trips to Macchu Pichu, all you need is a library, no TV, and positive support. Except for the trip to Macchu Pichu, the key parts of raising a brilliant child are not expensive, but they do require positive parental involvement.
If I've had any intellectual success I can trace it back to growing up the kid of a carpenter and learning solid practical mechanical skills (not building some cute kit, but learning how to frame houses), reading (my friend read a lot so I read a lot. There is only one thing more powerful than reading 100 books, that's reading 500 books.) Finally, mistrusting experts. This last one is a bit dubious, but really helps if you are in organizations (or a family) that have institutionalized failure. UN stats kept since the 1950s indicate that there has been zero improvement in the actual education levels over the past 50 years. All those school 'reforms,' the 'new initiative', 'the 20 or 70 million dollar reading program'? All completely and utterly useless. The practical mechanical skills I developed gave me a clear sense of what works, what doesn't and how to think more clearly. I think this will work and then it doesn't; what do I need to do differently? (Managers have a much more difficult task, they make an assumption, order an action...and it didn't work, but why? It's not just the manager and a bicycle, it's a manager with several other people there are lots more 'moving parts'; it's a lot more difficult figuring out what exactly didn't work and how to fix it.)
Over use of screen time. Is it symptom or cause? Everything in this video is actually about positive feedback loops. What are the results of each practice we see in the video? Not going to the Waldorf school won't ruin your future and too much screen time won't make a kid suicidal or homicidal; but ultimately what a child, or any of us spends more time doing will reinforce that behavior and amplify the results. This amplification is the real long term consequence. Learning is not simply the cumulation of education, it's the acceleration of being able to learn more and more efficiently, which in turn.... Learning is not arithmetical, it's exponential.
So you're young, can't afford the Waldorf, parents and teachers don't 'get it?' Read a lot of books. But you're failing and you read at a low level. The sooner you get started. Life is really long, so what if you're five years behind, get started. Reading leads to a greater ability to think in complex ways. (And if you can't understand what you're reading, read it again. If a book is particularly useful, read it again. I've been in too many teacher 'trainings' where the person instructing completely misunderstands the concept they're instructing us about. Am I smarter than that person? Probably not, but I'd read that book twice to make sure I understood.)
What does more time staring at Instagram, smoking weed, staring at a blank wall... lead to? Know what the teachers in the public schools are doing? We're sitting in meetings about how the 'new reading program' is going to improver 'our' reading scores. Who's reading scores? The students. What's more effective for a student's reading score: what someone else does in a meeting, or that student reading a book?
Just imagine what actual happens in a three hour meeting the goal of which is to get someone not there to read more. Now string together dozens of these meetings. I've begged to be let out of these meetings so I can sit in a roomful of students collecting cell phones and handing out books. Nope. The meeting is 'too important.'
Remember what Good Will Hunting says " you dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a *** education you coulda got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library."
Okay, cranky ex-teacher rant over. And anyone who's read this far, thank you and accept my sincere apologies for taking up your time. And do not thank me; go read a book. I don't want to be liked, I want you to learn.
Thank you. I am putting my phone down right now, grabbing a snack, and getting back to the book I started a few days ago. I worked in a community college for a long time as support staff and I can see that you do know what you're talking about and I wish you weren't the one who needed to escape being a teacher. I escaped, too. The meetings were hopeless, I did so much more tutoring than anything else in my career.
they act like screens are bad so they restrict screen time. thats just so low-class. teaching kids how to use these screens effectively should be the main goal of the school.
Kids just need to be teached how to build healthy habbits of using a technology.
If you’ve never wondered why Steve Jobs never gave his kids devices, you are truly an idiot.
@@gianniclaud steve jobs prohibited devices because he was scared if her kids getting addicted to devices! With a device or not, his kids could easily borrow a friend's phone to play and can still be exposed to some of the dangers of tech nowadays. IF he could teach his kids how to use these gadgets of the new age it would seriously be much better
@Andreas Sagen i never said anything about having lots of screen time and being more effective because of screen time. kids should be teached on how to use screens responsibly. or how to use these screens to their own benefit (of course not as a replacement for thinking and ideas). its like extreme left wing and right wing. better to find a balance in between.
Your comment is backwards. From the video the UC Irvine professor says that children from low income families use screens on average of 3 more hours per day. No, the main goal of school should not be to teach children how to use screens effectively. The main goal should be to teach one how to think. Once a human learns foundational skills like dexterity, hand eye coordination, logic the learning of pushing digital buttons on a flat screen is easy. Since 35% of the Sacramento Waldorf school graduating students go into STEM (science, technology, engineering , math) its clear that no tech till 7-8 grade did not stunt these humans from living in the modern world
Jeez, am I the only person that growing up played a lot outside and was able to use the internet unregulated in a healthy balance? Or is that more common then we are lead to believe?
A lot of this seems exaggerated tbh
Kids today don't play outside. We live in a culture of fear- God forbid your 8 year old spends 5 minutes alone with friends...and I have a kid. I see no kids in their yards, ever. And teens who hang out together stare at their phones. I miss the 90s. We may have been latchkey kids, but we had our own real life social networks.
Those Depression and Anxiety rates have been going up for decades long before Social Media.
Back in my day I was taught how to use a keyboard using a printout of a keyboard stuck to a piece of cardboard.
Extremes are always wrong. Just like too much is wrong. Too little or none is also probably wrong.
Not using modern tech in school is not extreme. Humanity did just fine without it for 200,000 years. It's been proven you learn better when not using a screen, and for many kids it can be addictive
i grew up with a school that had one old mac per class which was hardly used and in highschool we would have to go to the library or the tech room to use computers . It was fine . this is not extreme in any regard . It will only seem extreme to people 18 and under . everyone else grew up with out this many computers . Kids can still learn computers by having them at home they dont need them at school they are intuitively designed . There are more disadvantages to relying on them heavily than there are positives for using them all the time.
The teens I have worked with lately have terrible attention spans and horrible hand writing . It is difficult to understand notes they leave and they are not good at hands on things . ( I am only 25 and I see the difference )
Anna Sarah that’s not how life works now if you want to succeed you have to adapt to the world at the time.
Ravenous youth I think this school is great but the older you get tech is a necessity
@@Oo-so2jk but u can pick it up without using it in primary school everyday . Just look at people 24 and up . They are fine with technology
Congrats. You've alienated your students from a huge part of life. Technology is the present and the future.
"In the digital world we can't raise our kids the way we were raised".
- Don't fight technology
Lol yeah they make it sound like they were raised better. Back then kids got spanked. Kids in six grades are learning programming. What are these guys doing ? Playing tag. Cute.
@@MrNosugarcoating No one is saying that Kids shouldn't learn to program.
They are saying kids shouldn't be using cellphones and media devices. Social media platforms are detrimental to a person's social development, and many apps are designed to be addictive.
The truth tho
@@MrNosugarcoating
The people who create the technology think its dangerous for children but hey give it to your kids as early as possible if you like.
@@ericcartmann nowadays, I see very few 6-12 year old kids on the playground, and the few that I do see are staring down at their phones completely silent and not playing together it's actually creepy.
3rd world country: wants a full tech equipped school.
1st world country: just a school.
Is the world upside down?
Yes.
I feel it is great for preschool and elementary school. For older kids knowing how to use technology is a useful skill. Dont fight tech. Teach your kids to do something else, especially before high school age in which media are literaly detrimental
I graduated in 2019 before the complete use of chromebooks and we had actual mandated classes to learn technical skills in typing photoshop and how to use Word giving a kid a chrombook doesnt mean they will use these skills without guidance
"If we need help we'll just ask the teacher" bruh after teaching my teacher just disappears.
I teach at a tuition free public charter which is purposefully low-tech. I absolutely love it, so do the kids.
Well-off children do well!
Next at 11!
Yeah you better make sure that students learn how to type. That's hugely important in the real world.
Not to mention, "Home Etc." classes faded over 10+ years back from public schooling and now it's for the elite. Losing music programs every year. The quality gap to divide social classes widens.
On one hand I kind of agree that media is a bad influence, but on the other hand I feel like these kids will be disconnected from culture, since almost nobody else is doing this.
Culture is what media distroy so no.
Knowing the trending music of singer is not a "culture"
They'll be healthier, happier and have better people skills. I'm doing this on my own. I wish I could send my child to a school like this.
I agree with everyone, they’ll have a solid grip on reality unlike those used to instant gratification due to electronic devices, example. How many parents do you see myself included when you don’t want your child to be bored or a nuisance as you’re out and about running errands?
Reynan Henry it actually 100% is. Music is a huge part of any culture
You remember things better when you write it down, instead of typing.
Samantha Peters true but school isn’t there for you to remember, it’s so that you can understand
@@shawnchuang1101 School isn't there for you to understand. Its so you can comprehend.
Samantha Peters Nobody types in highschool. We all write in notebooks.
Akuma Sucks depends on what school doe... at my high school we use our computers all the time in class
Hectic Erectic really? I thought understanding is more deep thinking and therefore what school is aiming towards
@4:23 Lady, my free and public high school also taught how to crotchet, sew and knit too. we got patterns from books AND ONLINE
This school really isn’t special, it’s so ridiculous
'so they know how to fix a button', I can't
hahah what $35,000 tuition to learn how to fix a button lmaoooo
I thought I was crazy watching this lol my school taught that too and almost every school when I grew up it was called home ec. And we had woodshop, tech elec and auto shop and the school still has these classes for free and if you don’t know how to sow a button I’m sure you can learn here on UA-cam
its like preparing them for the Apocalyptic Earth ........
Because The Rich Elite know thats Our future!
That's why all these survivalist channels & living under ground or and in bunkers & off the grid is so popular now.
I went to a Waldorf School. They were super deep into homeopathy and other pseudo science. They wasted hours per day on useless activities and I was unprepared for high school when I got out.
Ben Harris i feel it is fine for very young children who should not be using media. For preteens and teens especially older ones it is detrimental.
@@marionardailloux6553 absolutely. It was fantastic until like 6th grade.
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What type of income did your parents have?
@@insomthegreat they had high income but we were not super wealthy. My dad is an accountant and my mom is a teacher.
I suppose it depends on the sort of person and what learning style they have. My girlfriend went to a Waldorf school throughout her entire schooling. She went to one of the best universities in germany and now she’s a biologist. I think we have to realise that not one method of schooling is going to suit everyone
I used to teach at a Reggio Emilia preschool which is a play-based approach where technology is limited in class. In my school, the teachers had a computer to email and make yearbooks for the kids, but the kids never saw a glowing screen during class time, instead they got to play, explore different centers, and make art.
Waldorf schools are not the same as a traditional school that doesn't have the budget for computers, Waldorf kids are taught to think for themselves, be independent, and learn about the world through art, storytelling, and nature. Kids learn at their own pace and get individual attention from their teachers. In many Waldorf schools, students can have the same teacher for several years, so they build a close bond and the teachers really know their students and see their journey as they grow.
My issue with Waldorf is that teachers still tell kids what to do and make them all do the same activity instead of letting them choose what they want to learn, which is what the Reggio approach is. It's still better than a traditional school and it's better for kids to explore nature and make art using real material instead of clicking on a screen all day.
Kids don't need to learn how to use technology, it's actually bad for young kids to use phones and iPads since it affects their attention span, mood, sleep, and ability to entertain themselves with their own imagination. Tech is purposely made to be user-friendly and easy to use, so just like I was able to use a smartphone and other tech as an adult since that stuff didn't exist when I was a kid or teenager, kids who grow up tech-free will easily be able to use technology when they get older. They're not missing anything from not having tech as kids and are gaining a lot by growing up without it.
Waldorf has a questionable reputation in education circles. Read up on them.
Yup very true. I've been reading about them for awhile.
@Super Barnacles 31 there is a lot of mysticism and dogma, they also haven't done a whole lot of studies on their lessons.
Super Barnacles 31 because they teach crocheting and gardening instead of actual marketable skills
Rudolf Steiner was a very religious man, he mixed up his own brand of Christianity based on theosofy. He was of the opinion that technology was from the devil.
I'm not saying all Waldorf teachers believe this, but that is where it comes from.
@@grahamnelson5376 But the come from rich families they don't need "marketable" skills
This is in every school in the india.
We cannot bring any gadgets in school till 12th grades.
@keecefly wtf why not?
@keecefly damn ..that was hard
Children need tech. tech is the future and the way the world connects
not having tech in a school is a disandvantege
In my place, parents can give their child phone at any age, but here the thing, we don't bring them to school. High school kid sometimes bring them, but they only use it when they out of the school. You don't use it in class, you don't use it at lunch. We have computer class, but it's only on Sunday and for an hour. That's it. I don't understand what's up with these "tech free school" it's just a school.
No media at home? So, no newspapers or magazines? No radio? And no books, either - that’s media, too!
That’s worse than censorship!
Yeah, that sounds kinda creepy
Read the Epoch times Australia Darwin surveillance credit system like in China for control
rottenavocados , 1) that is plain rude, 2) “No media” is a direct quote from the video.
Vera Dandiflor no media mean no screen time
Sam Bosque ok, but in the video it sounded a bit odd 😒
This is awesome. Many people on computers HAVE NO IDEA of what they are actually doing and cannot FATHOM the concepts BEHIND what they are actually doing. Examples can be how to research PROPERLY and obtain FIRST SOURCE INFORMATION AND PEER REVIEWED DATA AND ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT FOR YOURSELF IF THE PRIMARY SOURCE WAS VALID!
Also, a GROWING NUMBER of Architectural and Engineering students don’t REALLY know the THEORIES AND HANDS ON APPLICATIONS OF WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING OR DESIGNING AND RARELY CAN EXTRAPOLATE DESIGN FLAWS INTO THE REAL WORLD. (I have noticed this trend and it is VERY WORRISOME...especially when these people are learning to design buildings, roads, bridges, etc.). LOL
Starting kids, “hands on”, is an awesome foundation. ANYONE CAN PICK UP COMPUTER SKILLS LATER ON - if they really choose to do so.
“Spell check”, is a useless nightmare - it creates more errors than it actually solves. And people NEVER LEARN to spell. There is something intrinsically beneficial to the mind and body by PHYSICALLY LOOKING UP A WORD OR LOOKING UP A GRAMMATICAL RULE. PHYSICALLY RESEARCHING something creates new pathways in the brain and facilitates ACTUAL learning.
I WAS APPALLED to find out that some USA schools stopped teaching script in school. Learning cursive writing activates a different part of the brain than typing or writing block letters. (After not writing cursive for a time, I find that I have to concentrate more to get a proper fluidity in connecting the letters). I still feel that the more hands on you are, the stronger your intellectual acumen - and this may even stave off dementia latter in life.
There have actually been studies on French Nuns and their very low incidence of dementia; because they always keep mentally stimulating their minds all throughout their lives.
Top management of Philip Morris does not smoke. Nothing new here either.
Petr Gladkikh 🤦🏻♀️
This isn't a good thing. It's all about maintaining a balance, not about completely shutting something out of their lives. When you do that, especially with children and teens, they're eventually going to rebel and go to the exact extreme opposite of things. Technology can be extremely beneficial in our lives. Teach them responsible use of technology and how to maintain a healthy balance with the use of phones, social media etc. Once these kids leave this environment and return to the "real world" you've alienated them from a society that actively uses technology 24/7 and they're either going to rebel or lose control because they haven't been taught control, they've been taught absence.
I visited a waldorf school here in Germany and grew up without a TV or video games at home.
I believe it's great for children to be encouraged to play outside and also to learn to make actual thinks with your hand like, doing pottery, knitting, wood carving, welding etc. As a Teenager i wished we had programming classes and learned how to use different software. For instance during art classes it makes sense to use programs like photoshop and InDesign rather than just working with paper and brush.
Also tuition is far less expensive here, ranging between 150 to 180 € per month. I wouldn't pay 30.000 Dollars (I guess it's for a year?) to send my children to a waldorf school.
Even at 30,000 dollars a year that’s still a steep surcharge compared to 180 a month.
No, it just puts kids behind. What world do you think these kids are going to be living in? I’ll give you the answer, they’re going to be living with even more technology. This is not setting kids up for success, older people always think the way their generation grew up was better.
University is that cheap in Germany. 👀 💡
yeah but think about the employment in germany. lol
@@ivanoov3285 unemployment rate in Germany is lower than in the US.
What if one of the students wants a career of their own in the tech field? are they gonna sew a llama and hope they get accepted into an elite college? or is daddy going to pay for that too? This is such a toxic and ostracizing way to teach IMO
Honestly it looks pretty fun. I would’ve liked to learn those practical skills and arts in school
Tech free school is nothing but the old school. Its good at least they become people of tactile, verbal imaginative and when comouter is down they wont have a problem they adapt easy
I didn't get a phone until I was 18, it was just fine. 10 years later I can go without my phone for an extended period of time.
how are you supposed to make tiktok memes with your friends in between classes?
I LOVE this concept! I'm so sick of seeing cell phones and computers. Sometimes I wish we could go back to writing letters instead of texting. It was so personal. Let's face it - These kids are going to use tech when they get home so I don't see anything wrong with an 8 hour break. (Please don't tap on my face. It will hurt really bad.)
Yes
The thing is a lot of the kids don't get tech at home either. When we went online for covid, I was in a class of 11-12 year old none of which knew how to use a computer. This might have just been my school, but they made my parents sign agreements to not let me use any tech.
Waldorf isn’t just about no tech, there’s a whole philosophy to it.
Or teach your kid self control to know the right and wrong time of using technology in a social setting so you can save thousands of dollars that isn’t necessary lol
They’re too rich. They would rather pay for it than be parents
Neon Creeper IKR🙄
They are teaching children the right and wrong time to use technology. The wrong time to use technology is when you're a developing child, learning how to interact with others and other soft skills that can't be caught up on later like computers can.
@@MilwaukeeWoman which is exactly why you teach kids self control, like parents should
@@MilwaukeeWoman Exactly... especially should not be on social media period...
Rich people are beating us in our own game, being poor.
You win the award for best comment. I’m dying. Love it.
Is it only me but when I saw there is a gardening teacher it made me think of Hagrid, maybe this is the Hogwarts of Earth, even the name is Waldorf is not ordinary
These rich parents should sent their kids to developing countries in Asia.
These kids will get the following benefits:
1. Tech-free schooling without pretending to be tech free
2. Substantially low tuition cost that one-day work in US McDonald's can pay for one semester or annual fee
3. Learn the second language in real life atmosphere with zero chance of speaking English
4. Experience multicultural diversity that cannot be seen in their rich counties
5. Make friend with foreigners without risking your kids or their friends being illegal aliens
6. Virtually low or no remittance needed since your kids can grow their own foods and make their own clothing
and much more!
Come and study in developing Asia! Turn you kids' tech-free tuition into their college money so that they can study whatever they want without getting a student loan!
Good stuff - I'm glad I'm just old enough to have been educated prior to the technology boom yet also within its core now - benefits of both worlds and this concept of introducing a no tech education is purposeful in balancing that same thing now during a full technological revolution - good work
same here !!! I'm glad too 😃
I personally think that by restricting screen time usage and use of technologies actually is restricting a child’s talent in Media, Video, Design and Coding. Let’s say a child from a public school will have a good understanding of programming which is a highly beneficial life skill whereas for private schools like these, kids would have limited knowledge about it. Who agrees?
i agree, I have a pasion for computer science and I want to develop video games- the only problem is I only have 4 years to learn how to use technology before I graduate.
it's like this in South Africa regardless of socio-economic status
This is basically sending a kid to private school, minus the tech but with the same cost.
No tech allowed at the high school I taught at in China. They even had payphones outside the classrooms!
That's dumb....
DARK ONE less waste. People change phones every year, but if it’s a pay phone. It’ll last 100 years.
@@jekdndn2420 no, what's dumb is kids checking their Twitter when they should be learning how to _program_ Twitter. Sucker mentality versus winner mentality. Pick you side, you can't be on both.
Year 2013 I am still using payphone when I was in in secondary school. Right now I don't even see a payphone cuz even the poorest people have smartphone is a norm. Payphone it's like an antique
I was skeptical about this at first. I thought the same things many people thought about their privilege, their ability to go outside easily, the fact that they won't have to worry about a job but these are students who will be in positions of power in the future just due to the genetic lottery. Maybe it wouldn't be bad for them to see the natural world and their fellow classmates as important and that way they may want to help make the world more like that for everyone. They will be privileged either way, so maybe making them connect with others is a good thing.
Amy Kendall well said
Do tech executives really send their students to a Waldorf school located in Sacramento? That is a 2 hour drive from Silicon Valley. The title seems a bit misleading...
They also mentioned their bay area locations - Mountain View and Los Altos.
I'm pretty sure tech "executives" probably make enough to have more than one house. Entirely possible to have one house by Silicon Valley and another in Sacramento.
Tip on I go to the school trust me there are no tech executive kids here
You think tech execs actually drop their own kids off ... I’m sure they pay to have that done or the wife does it
@@brendane3283 in addition Silicon Valley might be just where the work: while they live 1 or 2 hrs away.
As a public school educator, I agree. It's all about experience. Kids these days don't have it. They also don't know how to talk... In regards to everything, they don't know how to talk to resolve things, ask for things, talk with friends, etc. They don't know how to behave. They also have lost their focus and everything is boring. Most importantly, they can't listen.
Wait a sec... my developing country's public schools that are FREE has the same policies... now would you think about dat?!?!?
Now this is basically a Catholic school in the Philippines which I studied. Nothing new here.
lmaoo same but i think its interesting because i saw points made in the vid that makes me slightly hate the no tech policy in school less
Fam you can literally see the boredom and sadness in the students faces 😂
Is being bored a bad thing?
@@go2yanks yes
Ottstop Why? Boredom encourages imagination and creativity. Being constantly entertained/engaged is not a good thing.
go2yanks driving children to boredom is not an effective parenting or teaching method. take it from me, a son and student.
Noah Lawrence implying that I’m not also both of those things and haven’t done at least a decent amount of thinking on it. Studies have shown that over the last several generations attention spans have been on a steady decline. This is due at least in part to a massive increase in the ease of access to content, both for entertainment and education. The end result is that there is a much lower emphasis on critical thinking because everything is just a few keystrokes away. Again, I’ll just go ahead and say that being bored is not a bad thing. And also, driving children to boredom is implying that anything not involving technology is boring. There are countless things you can do that don’t involve technology and are anything but boring.
I think the addicting part of screens is the software and digital products that companies purposely design to have you stuck there...
Rosalía Miranda that’s 100% correct
I'm an engineer. I can design a robot that can fix my clothes. I don't need to learn to do it by hand. It hasn't been a valuable skill for decades. I agree that kids shouldn't be stuck in front of a screen, but the polar opposite isn't any better.
I get what you are saying but I teach at a school where students are immersed with technology from grade 3. I have to be honest I wish we didn't use it until grade 8 or 9. I notice these students use their phones way to much. Even when they are not allowed to use it during school hours, as soon as the bell rings they use their phones. They have friends but all of their interactions come from their phones or digital engagement. I know she said that teens are not more depressed because of device use but because they use it badly but as a teacher it's very difficult to teach students to use it wisely when there is very little help at home. For example, I see students in grade six bully each other using Instagram in horrendous manners and yes it's a teachable moment but while we were in school we might have only experienced it at school these kids get it at home and at school. I feel that maybe at a younger age if we let them develop better friendships and people skills that at an older age they might be able to use it more wisely at an older age. Who knows I could change my mind next year but I'm just talking from my experience now.
Learning to knit and sew is a pretty good skill.
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 it's not the worst skill, but it's probably going to be irrelevant soon with technology. Maybe in like 10-80 years.
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 good, yes. Valuable, no. Not unless you become a clothes designer.
@@yasminesami2238 I sort of agree, but I need to mention I'm an Asperger and my family moved a lot when I was young. While I did make a few friends in school, I don't think I'm the best guy to judge what's normal in the context you describe.
@narrator Your voice is so clear,crisp and really a treat for ears.Thank You.
I really like this Waldorf school but not having tech in and of itself does crap-all for building social connections. I was born in '89 and didn't get a cell phone until my senior year of high school. I had used computers my whole life but mainly at school, so it wasn't unlimited access. My family had one off and on, but computers also wouldn't become a staple until high school. So, that leaves TV and game consoles. Those were prevalent my entire life, but I never got lost in them. Two brothers made me playing the console a rarity and I learned to enjoy watching them play and I would play minimally. And while I enjoyed TV, I had a handful of favorite shows but when those ended, I pulled away from the screen and did something else. Played with toys. Read a book. Wrote a grammatically incorrect but nonsensical, funny story. And sometimes I played outside, though I stopped doing that for the most part by the time I was 11.
The one constant to all of this? I've always been a social outcast. I'll admit that I had some of it coming to me as I was an oddity, despite my best efforts, but fifteen schools growing up can't be wrong. Moving always provided me a chance to try to reinvent myself but i could never really achieve it. Finding myself a pariah didn't happen because of tech. In my case...it saved me. But there's some other big differences this Waldorf school has that isn't in most schools. Smaller class sizes means more focus on students, more engagement. A teacher doesn't just brush it off as not their problem when they have a student that sits by themselves every single day because they just don't have the time or energy to focus on that. I don't blame them as being a teacher is probably the hardest job dealing with kids, even more difficult than being a parent because you're essentially babysitting upwards of 30+ kids, 8 hours a day, five days a week, ten and a half months of the year. Add in the vast background of those kids and you have a setting that's easily a level 10 stress inducer.
I agree with the woman here who mentioned a balance is needed. You could have the most bare-bones school or the fanciest and at the end of the day, while what is taught can be very important for developing good social and communication skills, I say it's more about how its taught. If I could pick, though, I would certainly prefer this other kind of school.
All of these people in the comments are saying that they don't see any kids playing outside or Socially interacting with other people like THEY did, but you simply cannot compare kids today with your childhood and assume that your childhood experiences are the best way. Now I'm not saying that the "digital way" is the best way, nor am I saying it's the worst way, its just the way for kids today. Now right now you could still get away with putting your kids in schools like this because some of the skills they learn in those schools can still be used to make good money, but in the future once the world becomes more tech saturated it could put them at a disadvantage because those skills won't be needed anymore but tech skills will. Overall you can't keep kids away from tech forever if you want them to succeed in life.