Yep, lithium batteries charge on a CC/CV basis so the last 10% or so of the charge takes a lot longer than 10% of the total charge time because the current tapers off while the voltage is held steady -- and that's even before a secondary charge-profile is layered in.
Dave -- thanks for your comments on the Ioniq EV -- I picked up mine (2020 model) a few days ago. So far so good, still locating the different charge stations in the area and along my usual travels.
Slowing the charging speed down when the battery is getting fuller is in order to protect the battery, so that it has a longer lifespan, which makes total sense. You coud possibly implement an "emergency fast charge mode" where it fast charges the battery full as fast as possible once, but each time you use that you'll cut off so and so many charge cycles/months of lifetime from your battery.
I think that would be very hard to do. One of the many reasons the charge speed slows down is because if the amount of heat produced. It could result in an overheating battery. Furthermore, in an emergency, I see you only charging to the level you need to be at before going asap, not waiting for 100%
I drove one of those at work and my goodness they're such a nice car. When my poor mazda gives up the ghost definitely going to go EV now that there are a lot of practical options these days that don't cost $100k+
It is very slim and has a small footprint as it is liquid cooled. Unlike the European square boxes. It is rare to have something exciting and sophisticated like the VeeFil designed and made in Australia. Tritium has a large share in the Euro and US markets and supplies fast charger up to 350kW (and with an LCD screen).
Love EVs and thanks to NRMA it was possible for me to operate a Tesla Model S despite living in a small town 450Km from Sydney. I do inland long distance trips with ease but i can charge 22kW at showgrounds in rural Australia if required. BTW: 290000km and still the 1st battery with10.2% degradation. If only our gov wouldnt be so stupid and corrupt.......we could be the greenest place on the planet.
The home "charger" (either 1 kW or 7 kW ) is simply ac ac power supply for the DC charger which is built into the vehicle. The fast 50 kW (and up) chargers are a DC supply fed by the bottom bit of the big plug.
Also I think its physically not possible to charge at Full Power up until 100% (unless you have special chemistry which allows you to do so like Audi E-tron), because of Li Plating that can occur at higher SoCs.
Thanks for the video! It's fun to see a fellow tech nerd getting up to speed about EV's. They sure are fun, aren't they? A couple notes: 1) My understanding is that the DCFC standards specifically prohibit extensions and adaptors, at least on this side of the pond. (I hear Tesla certified their Chademo adaptor as part of the car) I don't know the logic behind this, but I suspect it has to do with controlling safety, Surely extensions would need extra thermal sensors to protect from poor connections. DCFC is very picky about car and charger voltages staying in synch and so the extra voltage drop may not be acceptable since it would preclude sensing high resistance faults. I don't know what the big deal is, we did DCFC in 1991 on a lead acid race car and only melted a couple 350A Anderson connectors! 😂 2) Charge taper is a fact of life with Lithium batteries if you don't want them to get weak and 'splody. Something about intercalation of the ions into the active materials happening slower as the battery fills up (also when cold). Push them too hard and the lithium plates into metal which reduces capacity and can cause dendrite growth (possibly leading to flamey RUD.) Experienced companies like Tesla have put tremendous effort into cell design, thermal management and testing to be able to run the charge taper curves faster. Even Tesla had to slow down the algorithm on older cars when they realized they had initially allowed too much speed. Meanwhile the upcoming 4680 cells with Tabless electrode and DBE with high silicon should be able to charge much faster with less taper. This is important with Tesla since most of the new chargers (V3) run up to 250 kW and V4 is bound to be faster. Thanks for the vid, and have fun! ⚡️
At some point charging of Li-Ion batteries goes into constant voltage mode inevitably, and the current will go down from that point on. However, I would expect this to happen around 80%
@@EEVblog2 Not looking forward to that in the future should they stop making petrol cars, dreading this knowing how lithium batteries tend to age with heavy use though if treated well can last as the oldest working pack I got is from the late 90s (small HP laptop) that still holds a full charge.
@@AndyMcBlane Yea but he could look up to see what type that were used for the pack in his car to find out why the software limitation for the bms controller. Chances are that either the cells used or the cooling system isn't up to the task for fast charging beyond 60%. If the cells are any good they'll hold up to like 2500 cycles while still keeping around 80% of their original capacity as that is a huge factor in how electric cars are going to hold up as they age given the cost of replacing or rebuilding the pack. From what I've seen of automotive lithium packs is that those using the pouch type cells are fairly straight forward when it comes to rebuilding but if anything like Tesla then r.i.p as the work required is painful. I only know this because there are people out there who buy these packs used only to brake them down to salvage the cells for solar setups.
@@MrKillswitch88 It's becaue they offer an 8 year warranty on the battery pack, and they have realised they might be on thin ice with that if people abused it. So they built in an aggrevsive step response in software in the 2020 model to prevent that.
I don't think so, so it handle the power at lower charge levels. I think it's just a battery life thing, and they offer an 8 year warranty on the battery, so....
I sw override would have been a great idea. Just like on lipo chargers ect you can force a fast charge when it’s really needed. I really hope my next company car list has proper ev options. While I do long trips it’s few and far between now. Really is the way forward.
@@EEVblog2 Very interested to hear your thoughts on it as I am looking at an ev next year but not alot of real world reviews within Australia on EV's (apart from Tesla)
Fast charging is already on the edge of the battery lifetime impact. It's not about lifetime, but safety. When the current is limited at the end, It's because the cells can't balance itself as quickly as getting charged by just pushing kWatts to the + and - of the battery. They get charged unevenly, so when youre close to the cell's maximum voltage, the risk of overvoltaing and causing fire is high. 100% battery ~= 100% at all cells evenly. It's also hard to control the cell %, because it "sags" a lot. When you connect the cell to the specific voltage, the reading on the cell rises, but when you unconnect it falls down over time. That's how these batteries' chemistry works...
With many EVs the charge rate also depends on battery temperature and age also on the ratio DC fast charge vs AC slow charge. Best way to charge is on excess solar.
Currently at work at location 115km from home. Even at 12 hours charging overnight it is just to little to get to 100%, but can plug it in at the customer to full up the battery. Last week unlucky the charger was not connected properly and did not charge, my mistake. Did a fast chargerbin the morning. DC charging at 300KWh Charger only got to 55KW/h will a 20% battery, should get closer to 100KW/h. But most of the time, just charge overnight and ready to go. And always nice you can charge at a normal power outlet, just in case...
@Wooly Chewbakker actually he tests a lot of vehicles. He is very clear about his tests and unbiased. Better than Fully Charged or any others in my opinion. He started testing teslas and may seem biased. But u cant blame him, they make the best EVs, period.
You were pumping under around 110 amps in the begining. The 28kwh ioniq charged FAST. Even tho the larger pack is slower, irs really good. Is it a lifepo4 pack? 100 percent is just fine. Bmc, maybe don't let it sit for long periods at 100. Good choice dude.
Some EV owners in Germany were surprised when they found that they weren't allowed to recharge their car in the garage attached/under their house if they wanted to keep cheap home insurance. Insurance companies had their fingers burnt be charging mishaps that resulted in fires ... Which the local brigades had no means to extinguish.
I think while the charger is nominally 50kW, it’s actually current limited to 120 A and therefore you’d only get about 43kW with a battery voltage of around 360V where the car isn’t limiting charge current. As the charge approaches the 4+V per cell, it limits current, so any capability of the charger is reduced by the car during the later phase of the charge cycle.
To quote good ol elon: 'Think of fast charging like filling a glass with water. Toward the end you have to slow down or the sloshing will overflow the glass'. towards the bottom of the battery the chemistry doesn't fight back much, but towards the top the back voltage fights the charger and starts generating heat because...reasons. Definitely not linear. Trying to jam power into a full battery isn't just wasteful creating heat, it degrades the battery chemistry. The trick is to skate along the low level of the battery while road tripping - unless you need 100% of your capacity, the bottom half of the battery will handle most road trips and maximize charge rate minimizing charge time.
@@mycosys I must disagree. In my case, Tesla model 3, 74kWh battery, max 250kW at 0%, approximately 3.3C charge rate. cleantechnica.com/files/2019/06/Tesla-Model-3-LR-on-Supercharger-V3-June-2019-Data.png At 60%, it's down to 100kW, or approx 1.3C charge rate - and that's with a liquid cooled battery pack. Ioniq 2020 battery should be about 38kWh, at 60% charge, you get 1.3C rate of 50kW. Not to be (too much) a fanboy, but I don't think the other manufacturers have quite the chemistry magic and battery cooling that Tesla has managed just based on the 'head start' and secret sauce batteries they use. Seeing the Ioniq charge at 1C on pouch cells at 60% is completely reasonable.
10:25 They need to cover the warranty too Davey, so can pray forever. Also even the Tesla superchargers slow down after 80%, which is the right way to do for lithium batteries. Hyundai are super careful as the batttery cells are not manufactured by themselves, so wanna keep an extra safe margin. Its going to be like this, until every Tom,Dick and Harry is able manufacture the cells. Until then enjoy your little ride. Cheers!
It's basically always summer there. Even their winters are shorts and tshirt weather lol. Personally too hot for me though, and it will get worse with climate change. Even here in Canada it's been getting warmer at a faster rate.
Ioniq is the most eficient EV and has a bullet proof reputation. Unfortunately the old one had 28kWh only but charged really fast and the facelift has 38kWh but charges much slower.
There are no extensions cables for DC charging because it is mode 4, and the norm Will not allow this. There are alsof safety reasons 400V and 100+ A van be a risk.
Surly the reduction in charging current is just the physics of the lithium cells, as the voltage in the cells increases the ohms law triangle means the I has to drop to compensate for the increase in V assuming the internal R remains constant?
I forget where probably CNN there was an article about a business owned Tesla that done an absurd amount of miles despite being only a few years old and it was already on its third battery pack after doing something around 400,000-600,000 miles with the third pack already having 150,000 or something by the time the article was posted so some people do Drive a lot. I've seen cars pop up for sale that weren't any different in that regard but I guess that is mostly just something one only sees in the states and the very few exceptions from Europe.
That's not the case in most states, which use a mix of energy sources for electricity generation. blog.ucsusa.org/dave-reichmuth/are-electric-vehicles-really-better-for-the-climate-yes-heres-why
Haha here they are guaranteed to be coal powered. Over in USA they could be gas or nuclear too. Here we don’t have any gas because we sold it all to China.
@@ukeemail that's the great thing about EVs; as the grid gets cleaner, all EVs get cleaner too. Compare that to ICE vehicles, which only see fractional improvements in refining efficiency on the fuel side, and engine efficiency improvements (usually) benefit new vehicles only.
It's really weird watching this video being from the northeast of England. Newcastle, Wallsend & Jesmond are only up the road from me, we don't have a Sydney though 😂
The software limit for the max charge is a nice feature. I wish that I could easily add one to my phone (last time I looked into it I would need root my phone).
Rooting your phone really does enable lots of little things you otherwise couldn't do. Alternatively you could use an external device which cuts off the power input. Either it could monitor input current to determine when the battery is nearing full or go all out and have a custom app monitor the SoC and send it to the switch.
I live 40 minutes south of Newcastle...ha ha ha...? UK... And Wallsend was a Massive Shipbuilding town...lolIn Newcastle, they call it ...THE TOON?? Ha ha.....The Town in proper English lol. "Gan tu see Worr Lass, Wye Eye Man" lol
You probably need a much better battery temperature control to keep higher charge current till the end. It is a reason why the liquid cooled batteries are more convenient for everyday use.
It'd be nice if the driver's console was better designed, the whole thing with those curved silver bits and the square LCD just looks like a giant bodge.
EV's have a charging curve for battery life, look at GM and Tesla, both curve down. We do 99% of our charging at home to 90% which is very convenient. Our home changer is US 220V ~7kW charging rate for our 66 kWh battery we could charge from a completely dead battery over night (under 8 hours). Once you own an EV for a few months you start to realize how convenient and low cost they are. Our EV cost under $100 US for the three years we've owned it and that's with tire rotations and US inspections. The reason you see 42kW is because there's energy allotted for battery maintenance, etc.
If I'm out and about driving in Western Canada, it is easy to get over 100km. Tmrw I'll drive 600km. I don't have an ev, but when I build a garage, I'll be sure to have a 7kw outlet (for whatever might come up). 10km/hr isn't gonna do it.
When you build a garage I'd suggest installing a surface-mounted subpanel with _at the very least_ a 60 amp feeder and preferably 20 breaker spaces. It may seem overkill but it will make it super easy (and cheap) to add more circuits without cutting into the wall at all. Want an outlet for an EV charger? That will be $50 plus half an hour of your time.
@@eDoc2020 Well I might do 40amp service. The house only has 100 amp service. I don't know what the code allows just yet. But yes there will be a sub panel in the garage, and yes future proofing will certainly be done. I'll probably put the cable in conduit, and put in a second conduit for data.
@@bertblankenstein3738 I don't know about the Canadian rules but I'm pretty sure the NEC lets you have a feeder the entire capacity of the main service. You definitely want more than a 40 amp feeder as the EV charger needs a 40 amp circuit just for itself. Something I might suggest is making the sub a large panel with a 200amp main breaker and giving it a beefy 100amp feed. In this case the 200a breaker is just used as a disconnect switch. This setup offers one big advantage: when you decide to upgrade your 100amp service the garage panel can become the main service panel and the house panel becomes the subpanel. Your 100a house panel likely can't be upgraded to 200a so by taking this approach you will avoid a costly main panel replacement in the future.
I imagine that over time the battery pack will heat up, and so back off the charge rate proportionally. More an issue in Aus and California etc than Northern Europe I imagine! I think a lot of people just don't realise that the faster you charge your battery, the less efficient the charge chain is as a whole.
Is short no. You can, but it requires modifying the ground into the neutral leg (very dangerous) and it just very slow overall unless you have a huge generator
You can but electric cars don't let you drive while charging so you'd still need to stop. In addition to the extra weight reducing energy efficacy it is almost always cheaper to use grid power rather than generator power. If you need to carry a generator with you all the time a full BEV probably isn't for you. IMHO charging a BEV with a generator only makes sense during a blackout.
I’ve seen these unbelievable 250kW DC fast charger figures and just can’t understand how the trailing cable and plug to the car can handle the 700 odd amps at 350V or around half that at 800V battery ? With sites having multiple charging outlets I’d have to assume that they’d need a small substation as there could be potentially over a megawatt of load . This sort of infrastructure doesn’t come cheap so WTF ?
At 4:30, you mentioned that the previous model did not have charge profile, do you think they may have learnt something about batteries charging in the previous model that was needed in the new model. Would it be that they discovered fast no profile was causing some problems, and most users would use the "quickie" charge just because they can. By making profile a default it means you have to THINK ABOUT your batteries before abusing them. The only side effect of these charging stations will be Obesity as everybody will go for a snack while waiting for charge up to cease.😊
Hi Dave .... Have you heard about an "electric only" filling station that has just opened in Milton Keynes in the Uk ? They have a gym where people can work out while their cars charge. Also the gym equipment has mini generators fitted so the users can charge there cars. What a joke !!. Can you do a back of the envelope calculation to see how may years someone will have to ride a static gym pedal cycle to generate enough to even half charge a car . I fell off my chair laughing when it came up on the local news. Best wishes and have a great Christmas with the family.
Hahaha I misread that and thoguht you said 171 watts and was gonna be like "yeah that's high powered charging, mine only does 121 watts", though apparently if I could get a legacy charging brick I could hit 210 watts. Though as dave aptly puts it, trickle charging is plenty for the average joe, works for me with a 30 km "full" commute, and if I did a hybrid bus/escoot commute that goes down to 10km for a scooter that has 65km lab range (about 45-50km real life)
I wonder what the I^2*R losses of the cables are. I’m not against EVs, but I can drive US coast to coast in an ICE vehicle in three days. I don’t think I could do that in an EV. Politicians here are promoting eliminating ICE vehicles, but I think a mix would be the preferred option for most people like rental ICE for long haul trips with EV primary vehicle, or vice-versa.
You will never get 50 KW the charger is likely limited to 125 amps so you need a pack voltage of 400 to be at the speed. The 2nd gen ioniq has a pack voltage of 320. So it's charges rather slowly
Why would you not charge it to 100% your restricting your range and they are designed with spare capacity to electronically compensate for age related loss are they not?
Because if you break the connection while it's charging at approx 400V 125A at the plug without the charger shutting down and the safety contactor opening first, the spark that could be drawn could do significant damage to the connector and anyone holding onto it.
@@AdrianTechWizard yes, but pressing the microswitch would make the microcontroller it's connected to send a message via the CAN bus to the charger to switch it off then to the Contactors to open the circuit then to the latch to unlock the plug.
@@lappy65 I guess that would be the standard way of implementing features in a car although it relies on the rest of the car to be functioning quickly. You could have an independent system where the switch is linked to a DC circuit breaker so even if the charger couldn't stop in time, the DC current path would be broken and the user wouldn't be in danger.
Sure do. Apart from the drive system, the rest of the vehicle management systems are identical to any other car. They even still have standard 12V car batteries.
The problem (in the US) is the federal motor vehicle safety standards (FMVSS) prohibit the car from driving when charging. I imagine other countries' standards are similar in this regard.
@@eDoc2020 its not charging it is optaning power fo its locomotion. Plus it just a car driving with a generator in the back. nothing to do with the lack of batery
It's hard on Li-ion batteries. As you approach 100% SoC the cycle life is greatly reduced. See table 4: batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Finally got an EV, too bad it's not a very good one. Engineers always do the math. think the specs are "good enough" .... but they are not ... you'll trade it in for a Tesla in no time 👍
@@Okurka. When Tesla had battery issues, they pushed out an OTA update and fixed it. Hyundai EVs and Hybrids had a battery fire issue and all of them had to be brought in physically to a dealership to have the software changed.
I have nothing against these cars...I don't. What I have an issue with is the fact that a "fast charger" will require 25 minutes to get you a "half tank of gas" that I can get in 3 minutes at the petrol station. Maybe you don't travel long distances, but I do. When I do a vacation run from the northern states to say the west, I could drive 800+ miles in a single day (we generally take a couple of these vacations a year, we prefer to drive than fly (much cheaper). It's IMPOSSIBLE to make that run with an EV right now. Even some of the advanced battery tech I've been seeing (3 to 5 years away from production), I can't do it. BTW: As for 40~50km per day...LOL...that's the minority for the people I work with. We have 160 people in my department at work, only 2 have drives SHORTER than 70km ONE WAY. Mine is almost 100km one way. Could I do it with an EV? Of course, but then I have to find a charging station (there are all of 4 or 5 in the area I work and with 2000 people in the building? Yea...never going to get to plug in. EVs have their place, unfortunately, I don't have a place for one at the moment.
Once or twice a year you hire a van and mess up someone elses vehicle, the rest of the year you save money with an EV. Big net saving. People do that when they own ICE vehicles just to save the wear on their vehicles, let alone the extra room.
You're the exception not the rule. Most people don't drive that much in a day all that often. For the few times you do you can rent a ICE car. Hopefully eventually we will get EVs that have that kind of range, but for now it's a good compromise.
@@redsquirrelftw Not in my area. The average commute in my area is 40 to 50 miles. 80% of the people drive 40+ Miles per day to work, and about 3% drive up 50+. Welcome to "suburbia".
@@mycosys Ummm, cheaper to fly then. You rent a vehicle lately? Holy wah. Last time we rented a vehicle is was $65 PER DAY with a 100 mile PER DAY limit. Wanted more, $85/day (250 per day limit), and if you wanted to leave the state with the vehicle, $100+ per day. That's for something like a Nissan Rogue. We actually looked at those options before, and we were just appalled at the cost. Sure we could go to some run of the mill budget garbage place (i.e., Snappy Rent a junker), but they have ZERO support outside their area, you MUST take their insurance, and you're still in the $100 per day in a pre-rented Hertz, Budget, etc., that has already had the crap kicked out of it. Last time I went with one of those "low end" guys, I went through 4 cars in 5 days while at an Auto plant. Car was driving no more than 10 miles a day, but they'd have transmission issues, brake issues, engine issues...no thanks. I'll keep my petrol vehicle for a while longer. As I said, NOTHING against the EVs, but for me? No way. Maybe when I retire.
@@WreckDiver99 Well get a job closer to home. I can't imagine driving that much all the time just to get to work. That's time you never get back and lot of unneeded wear and tear on the car which I doubt the company pays for.
They had to put a bigger transformer in my street but not because of the EVs. There are so many solarpannels on the roofs in the neighborhood that the power fed in to the grid was too much. EVs could actually help reduce the load on the grid. There are a lot of companies that allow their employees to charge their car when they’re at work.
@@MattyEngland the demand for electricity plummets overnight (as heavy industrial users close and most people go to sleep), so that is the best time to charge EVs from a grid perspective.
In Norway the over 50% of the new Cars are electic vehicles and still they dont have any problems with charging. Fact is that the majority of drivers will be able to charge at their home location. With the growing number of cars the number of puplic charging points will also rise. It is like the people in the early 1890-1900 would have said that it is impossible to drive an fuel car because you only can get fuel at the pharmacy...
You're one of those, aren't ya. He literally said in the video that most of the time you don't ever need to charge outside of home for your daily commute. So you're actually saving those couples of minutes you'd spend filling up your petrol car.
Like he said in the video you can just charge overnight when you're home. Who cares even if it takes 12+ hours. Treat it the same as plugging in the ICE car block heater in the winter, and you can literally use the same plug.
@@clayton4115 My favourite is when Canadian Tire has a sale where it's under a dollar a litre and you see people lining up, idling and burning gas that they originally paid the regular price for, just so they can buy more gas at a temporary cheaper rate.
42 minutes to go from 54% to 90% ? Call that 'Fast Charging'? 🤣🤣🤣 I would be home by then in my compact 40 MPG car Other than bragging rights, EVs are joke
The trick is it's only a handful of minutes from 0-50%, so if you skate the bottom half of the battery you can easily get 99% of the driving you need done in on the fastest reasonable charging. People just want to see 100% on the gauge out of habit but it isn't necessary except for road trips. Most road trips involve getting to a destination with an empty battery then stopping to do whatever it is you needed to be there for - so you plug in during that time. Just a changed mindset. No joke.
99% of the time you just charge at home, which is even faster than filling a gas car. 5 seconds as you walk from your car to your house to plug it in. Even if the occasional fast charge takes a little longer, over the life of the vehicle you spend hours less time 'filling it up.'
@@LB-fx1kn Agreed fully. It's just a change of mindset. Same argument as "I can't believe you have to start the engine of your car, I just get on my horse and it's already running". For every inconvenience there is a tradeoff for huge convenience. People upgraded from flip phones that lasted a week to smart phones that last a half day. You have to plug in every day but daily 5 seconds fighting a cord is worth the convenience of having the world in your hand.
but the battery are dieing out too soon, they cost to much to replace, more damage on earth, and i can go to an gas station and fill up and leave in 5 mins and go 300+ miles per tank,
And ICE cars need more regular maintenance, and more regular costs of ownership. Petrol is gonna cost a lot more than electricity for per kilometer costs.
EEVblog2: I don't even think you can buy a fast charger extension cable..
Electroboom: hold my beer
Be illegal as itd overheat etc
Yep, lithium batteries charge on a CC/CV basis so the last 10% or so of the charge takes a lot longer than 10% of the total charge time because the current tapers off while the voltage is held steady -- and that's even before a secondary charge-profile is layered in.
Yeah but in this case they have the CC mode step leveled from 60% onwards. Very deliberate to ensure they get their 8 year battery warranty.
My mother-in-law charges at 50 jigawatts for an hour but at that point the tequila bottle is empty.
Dave -- thanks for your comments on the Ioniq EV -- I picked up mine (2020 model) a few days ago. So far so good, still locating the different charge stations in the area and along my usual travels.
The internal charge station map is USELESS! Didn't even show a single one in Newcastle!
Slowing the charging speed down when the battery is getting fuller is in order to protect the battery, so that it has a longer lifespan, which makes total sense. You coud possibly implement an "emergency fast charge mode" where it fast charges the battery full as fast as possible once, but each time you use that you'll cut off so and so many charge cycles/months of lifetime from your battery.
I think that would be very hard to do. One of the many reasons the charge speed slows down is because if the amount of heat produced. It could result in an overheating battery. Furthermore, in an emergency, I see you only charging to the level you need to be at before going asap, not waiting for 100%
Dave, go check your Lithium battery charging video.
It's where I learn that 80 to 100% takes ages :)
But can you charge the Ioniq with a bench power supply? ;)
Look how in focus is that tree in the back of Dave :D
50 kW extension cable is called radiant heating.
Is it just me or does that station look a lot like the robot from Lost In Space?
I drove one of those at work and my goodness they're such a nice car. When my poor mazda gives up the ghost definitely going to go EV now that there are a lot of practical options these days that don't cost $100k+
funky looking Charge Station with old style 7 segment Led Display...
at least the CCS connector is the same as in Europe...
It is very slim and has a small footprint as it is liquid cooled. Unlike the European square boxes. It is rare to have something exciting and sophisticated like the VeeFil designed and made in Australia. Tritium has a large share in the Euro and US markets and supplies fast charger up to 350kW (and with an LCD screen).
Love EVs and thanks to NRMA it was possible for me to operate a Tesla Model S despite living in a small town 450Km from Sydney. I do inland long distance trips with ease but i can charge 22kW at showgrounds in rural Australia if required. BTW: 290000km and still the 1st battery with10.2% degradation. If only our gov wouldnt be so stupid and corrupt.......we could be the greenest place on the planet.
The home "charger" (either 1 kW or 7 kW ) is simply ac ac power supply for the DC charger which is built into the vehicle.
The fast 50 kW (and up) chargers are a DC supply fed by the bottom bit of the big plug.
Also I think its physically not possible to charge at Full Power up until 100% (unless you have special chemistry which allows you to do so like Audi E-tron), because of Li Plating that can occur at higher SoCs.
So when's the Teardown Tuesday coming?
Thanks for the video! It's fun to see a fellow tech nerd getting up to speed about EV's. They sure are fun, aren't they?
A couple notes:
1) My understanding is that the DCFC standards specifically prohibit extensions and adaptors, at least on this side of the pond. (I hear Tesla certified their Chademo adaptor as part of the car) I don't know the logic behind this, but I suspect it has to do with controlling safety, Surely extensions would need extra thermal sensors to protect from poor connections. DCFC is very picky about car and charger voltages staying in synch and so the extra voltage drop may not be acceptable since it would preclude sensing high resistance faults.
I don't know what the big deal is, we did DCFC in 1991 on a lead acid race car and only melted a couple 350A Anderson connectors! 😂
2) Charge taper is a fact of life with Lithium batteries if you don't want them to get weak and 'splody. Something about intercalation of the ions into the active materials happening slower as the battery fills up (also when cold). Push them too hard and the lithium plates into metal which reduces capacity and can cause dendrite growth (possibly leading to flamey RUD.)
Experienced companies like Tesla have put tremendous effort into cell design, thermal management and testing to be able to run the charge taper curves faster. Even Tesla had to slow down the algorithm on older cars when they realized they had initially allowed too much speed. Meanwhile the upcoming 4680 cells with Tabless electrode and DBE with high silicon should be able to charge much faster with less taper. This is important with Tesla since most of the new chargers (V3) run up to 250 kW and V4 is bound to be faster.
Thanks for the vid, and have fun! ⚡️
Can't wait to see those 4680s in the wild! Between thermal management and energy density it's gonna be a hoot!
At some point charging of Li-Ion batteries goes into constant voltage mode inevitably, and the current will go down from that point on. However, I would expect this to happen around 80%
That's not what's happening here, this is a very deliberately design decision to limit current mode charging in a step profile.
@@EEVblog2 Not looking forward to that in the future should they stop making petrol cars, dreading this knowing how lithium batteries tend to age with heavy use though if treated well can last as the oldest working pack I got is from the late 90s (small HP laptop) that still holds a full charge.
I was going to comment the same, but you don’t need to explain to Dave anything (common) about batteries, he knows how it all works.
@@AndyMcBlane Yea but he could look up to see what type that were used for the pack in his car to find out why the software limitation for the bms controller. Chances are that either the cells used or the cooling system isn't up to the task for fast charging beyond 60%. If the cells are any good they'll hold up to like 2500 cycles while still keeping around 80% of their original capacity as that is a huge factor in how electric cars are going to hold up as they age given the cost of replacing or rebuilding the pack. From what I've seen of automotive lithium packs is that those using the pouch type cells are fairly straight forward when it comes to rebuilding but if anything like Tesla then r.i.p as the work required is painful. I only know this because there are people out there who buy these packs used only to brake them down to salvage the cells for solar setups.
@@MrKillswitch88 It's becaue they offer an 8 year warranty on the battery pack, and they have realised they might be on thin ice with that if people abused it. So they built in an aggrevsive step response in software in the 2020 model to prevent that.
Software override, and it takes a month off your battery warranty every time you use it.
Acceptable.
Perfect for leased cars!
A months seems like too much, this can probably be calculated somehow
Would overriding the battery step-profile cause safety issues regarding cooling? An obvious reason is for battery longevity, as you know.
I don't think so, so it handle the power at lower charge levels. I think it's just a battery life thing, and they offer an 8 year warranty on the battery, so....
Depends on the battery chemistry. Some have thermal runnaway others not.
but can it do 1.21GW!
NRMA = No Real Mechanic Available
I sw override would have been a great idea. Just like on lipo chargers ect you can force a fast charge when it’s really needed.
I really hope my next company car list has proper ev options. While I do long trips it’s few and far between now. Really is the way forward.
Need an official eevblog review of the car 5000km is a good number to know the goods bads and other bits of a car.
Dave's too biased to do a review of this car.
Bullshit. I could list a dozen little things I don't like about it.
@@EEVblog2 Very interested to hear your thoughts on it as I am looking at an ev next year but not alot of real world reviews within Australia on EV's (apart from Tesla)
@@EEVblog2 Do it.
Fast charging is already on the edge of the battery lifetime impact. It's not about lifetime, but safety.
When the current is limited at the end, It's because the cells can't balance itself as quickly as getting charged by just pushing kWatts to the + and - of the battery. They get charged unevenly, so when youre close to the cell's maximum voltage, the risk of overvoltaing and causing fire is high. 100% battery ~= 100% at all cells evenly. It's also hard to control the cell %, because it "sags" a lot. When you connect the cell to the specific voltage, the reading on the cell rises, but when you unconnect it falls down over time. That's how these batteries' chemistry works...
With many EVs the charge rate also depends on battery temperature and age also on the ratio DC fast charge vs AC slow charge. Best way to charge is on excess solar.
Currently at work at location 115km from home. Even at 12 hours charging overnight it is just to little to get to 100%, but can plug it in at the customer to full up the battery.
Last week unlucky the charger was not connected properly and did not charge, my mistake. Did a fast chargerbin the morning.
DC charging at 300KWh Charger only got to 55KW/h will a 20% battery, should get closer to 100KW/h. But most of the time, just charge overnight and ready to go. And always nice you can charge at a normal power outlet, just in case...
Please mind your units.
There is no such thing as kW/h or 300kWh charger.
Watch Bjorn Nyland's channel, He does extensive EV testing including charging speeds and energy consumption.
@Wooly Chewbakker actually he tests a lot of vehicles. He is very clear about his tests and unbiased. Better than Fully Charged or any others in my opinion. He started testing teslas and may seem biased. But u cant blame him, they make the best EVs, period.
@Wooly Chewbakker Don't feed the troll!
@@pxidr actually i ll leave it that. I never troll. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and its ok.
@@raviteza8 Wooly is the troll, not you. I also love Bjorn vids and I think he is pretty honest and factual.
You were pumping under around 110 amps in the begining. The 28kwh ioniq charged FAST. Even tho the larger pack is slower, irs really good. Is it a lifepo4 pack? 100 percent is just fine. Bmc, maybe don't let it sit for long periods at 100. Good choice dude.
Some EV owners in Germany were surprised when they found that they weren't allowed to recharge their car in the garage attached/under their house if they wanted to keep cheap home insurance. Insurance companies had their fingers burnt be charging mishaps that resulted in fires ... Which the local brigades had no means to extinguish.
god knows what they think of petrol cars as they regularly burst into flames parked up.
That's like refilling an ice gas tank from jerry cans while parked in your garage... not a good idea. Charge outside.
I think while the charger is nominally 50kW, it’s actually current limited to 120 A and therefore you’d only get about 43kW with a battery voltage of around 360V where the car isn’t limiting charge current. As the charge approaches the 4+V per cell, it limits current, so any capability of the charger is reduced by the car during the later phase of the charge cycle.
To quote good ol elon: 'Think of fast charging like filling a glass with water. Toward the end you have to slow down or the sloshing will overflow the glass'. towards the bottom of the battery the chemistry doesn't fight back much, but towards the top the back voltage fights the charger and starts generating heat because...reasons. Definitely not linear. Trying to jam power into a full battery isn't just wasteful creating heat, it degrades the battery chemistry.
The trick is to skate along the low level of the battery while road tripping - unless you need 100% of your capacity, the bottom half of the battery will handle most road trips and maximize charge rate minimizing charge time.
ok but at 60% ur still normally slamming the battery for all its worth. Its pretty agressive
@@mycosys I must disagree. In my case, Tesla model 3, 74kWh battery, max 250kW at 0%, approximately 3.3C charge rate.
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At 60%, it's down to 100kW, or approx 1.3C charge rate - and that's with a liquid cooled battery pack.
Ioniq 2020 battery should be about 38kWh, at 60% charge, you get 1.3C rate of 50kW. Not to be (too much) a fanboy, but I don't think the other manufacturers have quite the chemistry magic and battery cooling that Tesla has managed just based on the 'head start' and secret sauce batteries they use. Seeing the Ioniq charge at 1C on pouch cells at 60% is completely reasonable.
10:25 They need to cover the warranty too Davey, so can pray forever. Also even the Tesla superchargers slow down after 80%, which is the right way to do for lithium batteries. Hyundai are super careful as the batttery cells are not manufactured by themselves, so wanna keep an extra safe margin. Its going to be like this, until every Tom,Dick and Harry is able manufacture the cells. Until then enjoy your little ride. Cheers!
Australia always looks so nice in videos.
It is 27F here. I would like to be over there right now.
Believe me it is - "the lucky country"
It's basically always summer there. Even their winters are shorts and tshirt weather lol. Personally too hot for me though, and it will get worse with climate change. Even here in Canada it's been getting warmer at a faster rate.
@@Spookieham 40C in summer isn't lucky.
Ioniq is the most eficient EV and has a bullet proof reputation. Unfortunately the old one had 28kWh only but charged really fast and the facelift has 38kWh but charges much slower.
There are no extensions cables for DC charging because it is mode 4, and the norm Will not allow this. There are alsof safety reasons 400V and 100+ A van be a risk.
Australia's EV road tax is pretty stupid, and I hope that idea will be NOT exported elsewhere.
someone's got to pay for the roads
Can you please take something apart
Hack the charging circuit or hack the firmware.
Surly the reduction in charging current is just the physics of the lithium cells, as the voltage in the cells increases the ohms law triangle means the I has to drop to compensate for the increase in V assuming the internal R remains constant?
The battery pack has temperature sensors that will slow the rate of charge as the cells heat up. The charge profile prevents the cells overheating,
Welcome to Newie mate, shold have popped by teh Sparkhaus, i'm sure Jamie et al would have loved a visit
Nice slow pans Dave. I wish Chris from 'B is for Build' would learn how to do that one day 👍
Glad to see that I am not the only electronic engineer that also love LS swapped boats and lambos.
I forget where probably CNN there was an article about a business owned Tesla that done an absurd amount of miles despite being only a few years old and it was already on its third battery pack after doing something around 400,000-600,000 miles with the third pack already having 150,000 or something by the time the article was posted so some people do Drive a lot. I've seen cars pop up for sale that weren't any different in that regard but I guess that is mostly just something one only sees in the states and the very few exceptions from Europe.
Thanks for the insight, stuff like this makes me more confident about buying an EV in the future (if I ever want a car at all, that is!)
In the US these are coal powered.
Same Here!
That's not the case in most states, which use a mix of energy sources for electricity generation. blog.ucsusa.org/dave-reichmuth/are-electric-vehicles-really-better-for-the-climate-yes-heres-why
Haha here they are guaranteed to be coal powered. Over in USA they could be gas or nuclear too. Here we don’t have any gas because we sold it all to China.
Always still a growing proportion of renewables here too. Coal is down to around 65% of electricity from 80% ten years ago. So it is improving.
@@ukeemail that's the great thing about EVs; as the grid gets cleaner, all EVs get cleaner too. Compare that to ICE vehicles, which only see fractional improvements in refining efficiency on the fuel side, and engine efficiency improvements (usually) benefit new vehicles only.
Nice shirt! You should do a video abour lithium battery life with charge cycles
That's already been done a while ago for the radio controled model world
Is the ioniq yours? Love to see more videos on it in the hot Australian climate.
It's really weird watching this video being from the northeast of England. Newcastle, Wallsend & Jesmond are only up the road from me, we don't have a Sydney though 😂
The software limit for the max charge is a nice feature. I wish that I could easily add one to my phone (last time I looked into it I would need root my phone).
my fast charge oppo phone dose it
Rooting your phone really does enable lots of little things you otherwise couldn't do. Alternatively you could use an external device which cuts off the power input. Either it could monitor input current to determine when the battery is nearing full or go all out and have a custom app monitor the SoC and send it to the switch.
I just set tasker to alert me when charge hits 85%
Don't think I'd get to Newcastle (UK) it's about 300 miles from here
I live 40 minutes south of Newcastle...ha ha ha...? UK... And Wallsend was a Massive Shipbuilding town...lolIn Newcastle, they call it ...THE TOON?? Ha ha.....The Town in proper English lol.
"Gan tu see Worr Lass, Wye Eye Man" lol
they have some things in common, Newcastle AU is one of the worlds largest coal ports.
You probably need a much better battery temperature control to keep higher charge current till the end. It is a reason why the liquid cooled batteries are more convenient for everyday use.
It'd be nice if the driver's console was better designed, the whole thing with those curved silver bits and the square LCD just looks like a giant bodge.
EV's have a charging curve for battery life, look at GM and Tesla, both curve down. We do 99% of our charging at home to 90% which is very convenient. Our home changer is US 220V ~7kW charging rate for our 66 kWh battery we could charge from a completely dead battery over night (under 8 hours). Once you own an EV for a few months you start to realize how convenient and low cost they are. Our EV cost under $100 US for the three years we've owned it and that's with tire rotations and US inspections.
The reason you see 42kW is because there's energy allotted for battery maintenance, etc.
Please edit your comment and put the right units for power (kW) and energy (kWh).
My later edit: Thank you, we appreciate it :)
@@letenof Right, should have read it before I posted.
If I'm out and about driving in Western Canada, it is easy to get over 100km. Tmrw I'll drive 600km. I don't have an ev, but when I build a garage, I'll be sure to have a 7kw outlet (for whatever might come up). 10km/hr isn't gonna do it.
When you build a garage I'd suggest installing a surface-mounted subpanel with _at the very least_ a 60 amp feeder and preferably 20 breaker spaces. It may seem overkill but it will make it super easy (and cheap) to add more circuits without cutting into the wall at all. Want an outlet for an EV charger? That will be $50 plus half an hour of your time.
@@eDoc2020 Well I might do 40amp service. The house only has 100 amp service. I don't know what the code allows just yet. But yes there will be a sub panel in the garage, and yes future proofing will certainly be done. I'll probably put the cable in conduit, and put in a second conduit for data.
@@bertblankenstein3738 I don't know about the Canadian rules but I'm pretty sure the NEC lets you have a feeder the entire capacity of the main service. You definitely want more than a 40 amp feeder as the EV charger needs a 40 amp circuit just for itself. Something I might suggest is making the sub a large panel with a 200amp main breaker and giving it a beefy 100amp feed. In this case the 200a breaker is just used as a disconnect switch. This setup offers one big advantage: when you decide to upgrade your 100amp service the garage panel can become the main service panel and the house panel becomes the subpanel. Your 100a house panel likely can't be upgraded to 200a so by taking this approach you will avoid a costly main panel replacement in the future.
I imagine that over time the battery pack will heat up, and so back off the charge rate proportionally. More an issue in Aus and California etc than Northern Europe I imagine! I think a lot of people just don't realise that the faster you charge your battery, the less efficient the charge chain is as a whole.
It has NOT been warm in Newcastle the last few days lol. roughly 21C/70C daytime
@@mycosysThat must be a pretty chilly day for Aus! Meanwhile in this Newcastle, it has been more like 4C, lol.
@@Zadster it's chilly for summer, pretty average for temps overall, does get down that cold some winter nights.
The short cables are an issue for the Teslas as well.
Someday, hopefully in the not so far off future, people will look back and laugh at the fact that it took soooo long to charge electric vehicles.
In California they have Tesla charging line ups that go for miles.
could you charge it off a petrol generator
Electricity is electricity
@@Sal3600 not relay depends how meany amps it needs
Is short no. You can, but it requires modifying the ground into the neutral leg (very dangerous) and it just very slow overall unless you have a huge generator
You can but electric cars don't let you drive while charging so you'd still need to stop. In addition to the extra weight reducing energy efficacy it is almost always cheaper to use grid power rather than generator power. If you need to carry a generator with you all the time a full BEV probably isn't for you. IMHO charging a BEV with a generator only makes sense during a blackout.
no
I’ve seen these unbelievable 250kW DC fast charger figures and just can’t understand how the trailing cable and plug to the car can handle the 700 odd amps at 350V or around half that at 800V battery ? With sites having multiple charging outlets I’d have to assume that they’d need a small substation as there could be potentially over a megawatt of load . This sort of infrastructure doesn’t come cheap so WTF ?
If i threw a bunch of asics in the trunk and hooked them up to such a terminal while parking there, would i be able to do some free mining?
At 4:30, you mentioned that the previous model did not have charge profile, do you think they may have learnt something about batteries charging in the previous model that was needed in the new model.
Would it be that they discovered fast no profile was causing some problems, and most users would use the "quickie" charge just because they can.
By making profile a default it means you have to THINK ABOUT your batteries before abusing them.
The only side effect of these charging stations will be Obesity as everybody will go for a snack while waiting for charge up to cease.😊
Yes, and they have an 8 year warranty on the battery, so better safe than sorry.
Hi Dave .... Have you heard about an "electric only" filling station that has just opened in Milton Keynes in the Uk ? They have a gym where people can work out while their cars charge. Also the gym equipment has mini generators fitted so the users can charge there cars. What a joke !!. Can you do a back of the envelope calculation to see how may years someone will have to ride a static gym pedal cycle to generate enough to even half charge a car . I fell off my chair laughing when it came up on the local news. Best wishes and have a great Christmas with the family.
Dave charges at 50kW, my electric stand up scooter charges at 117W ;)
Hahaha I misread that and thoguht you said 171 watts and was gonna be like "yeah that's high powered charging, mine only does 121 watts", though apparently if I could get a legacy charging brick I could hit 210 watts.
Though as dave aptly puts it, trickle charging is plenty for the average joe, works for me with a 30 km "full" commute, and if I did a hybrid bus/escoot commute that goes down to 10km for a scooter that has 65km lab range (about 45-50km real life)
Most things funny charge at full.
Ask RIMAC for that feature, I think they do the power train and battery for hyundai and kia.
I wonder what the I^2*R losses of the cables are. I’m not against EVs, but I can drive US coast to coast in an ICE vehicle in three days. I don’t think I could do that in an EV. Politicians here are promoting eliminating ICE vehicles, but I think a mix would be the preferred option for most people like rental ICE for long haul trips with EV primary vehicle, or vice-versa.
You will never get 50 KW the charger is likely limited to 125 amps so you need a pack voltage of 400 to be at the speed. The 2nd gen ioniq has a pack voltage of 320. So it's charges rather slowly
For sure there is a away to remove the fast charging cap.
Yep that tree is totally in focus xD
Why is it free? Where are the ICE parking spots what trickle free petrol in your tank while you shop :p
It's a temporary promotion, the NRMA chargers will cost money in the future.
Still not common in Australia so they put them there for lots of publicity.
see the new EV tax they are bringing, Australia is off the rails
Why would you not charge it to 100% your restricting your range and they are designed with spare capacity to electronically compensate for age related loss are they not?
It's only rarely do I need the full range.
2:00 ho look at that my tank is full. and I dont event have to fill it for an other 500 km!
Go newy, just around the corner from me
Why do the connectors even lock?
It just seems like it causes problems for others...
Because if you break the connection while it's charging at approx 400V 125A at the plug without the charger shutting down and the safety contactor opening first, the spark that could be drawn could do significant damage to the connector and anyone holding onto it.
@@lappy65 Couldn't there just be a microswitch which tells the car to stop charging?
@@AdrianTechWizard yes, but pressing the microswitch would make the microcontroller it's connected to send a message via the CAN bus to the charger to switch it off then to the Contactors to open the circuit then to the latch to unlock the plug.
@@lappy65 I guess that would be the standard way of implementing features in a car although it relies on the rest of the car to be functioning quickly.
You could have an independent system where the switch is linked to a DC circuit breaker so even if the charger couldn't stop in time, the DC current path would be broken and the user wouldn't be in danger.
@@lappy65 Your suggestions seems way better than the current system where users can lock up plugs indefinitely.
Do these electric cars have an obd port?
Sure do. Apart from the drive system, the rest of the vehicle management systems are identical to any other car. They even still have standard 12V car batteries.
Where does that "100% charge is bad" bullshit comes from?
Somone should come up with a power bank you can put on your back seat just incase :P
its been invented its called a diesel generator!
The problem (in the US) is the federal motor vehicle safety standards (FMVSS) prohibit the car from driving when charging. I imagine other countries' standards are similar in this regard.
@@eDoc2020 its not charging it is optaning power fo its locomotion.
Plus it just a car driving with a generator in the back. nothing to do with the lack of batery
@eDoc2020 Surely a hybrid car with electric power at low speed and a petrol engine for higher speeds does this by design?
old ICE cars recharge much faster. What book are you reading? Dave - I don't read I am a UA-camr! I'll do a video about it!
I recharge my diesel SUV @ about 31MW (50L/min)... :-)
What's the reason for not filling to 100%
It's hard on Li-ion batteries. As you approach 100% SoC the cycle life is greatly reduced. See table 4: batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
@@eDoc2020 and especially in hot Australian weather.
NRMA..... but it's only in NSW LOL
does it still smell new ?
Barely.
Smells like lithium
Call me when its 20K.
if any one wants to see other videos on the ioniq 28 kWh
will you stop stealing all our place names I live in newcastle in the UK
Finally got an EV, too bad it's not a very good one. Engineers always do the math. think the specs are "good enough" .... but they are not ... you'll trade it in for a Tesla in no time 👍
Because American cars are high quality.
@@Okurka. You forgot a ? at the end of your sentence?
@@kullatnunu2087 There's already a period at the end of my sentence.
@@Okurka. When Tesla had battery issues, they pushed out an OTA update and fixed it. Hyundai EVs and Hybrids had a battery fire issue and all of them had to be brought in physically to a dealership to have the software changed.
@@Poxenium What does this have to do with build quality?
I have nothing against these cars...I don't. What I have an issue with is the fact that a "fast charger" will require 25 minutes to get you a "half tank of gas" that I can get in 3 minutes at the petrol station. Maybe you don't travel long distances, but I do. When I do a vacation run from the northern states to say the west, I could drive 800+ miles in a single day (we generally take a couple of these vacations a year, we prefer to drive than fly (much cheaper). It's IMPOSSIBLE to make that run with an EV right now. Even some of the advanced battery tech I've been seeing (3 to 5 years away from production), I can't do it. BTW: As for 40~50km per day...LOL...that's the minority for the people I work with. We have 160 people in my department at work, only 2 have drives SHORTER than 70km ONE WAY. Mine is almost 100km one way. Could I do it with an EV? Of course, but then I have to find a charging station (there are all of 4 or 5 in the area I work and with 2000 people in the building? Yea...never going to get to plug in. EVs have their place, unfortunately, I don't have a place for one at the moment.
Once or twice a year you hire a van and mess up someone elses vehicle, the rest of the year you save money with an EV. Big net saving.
People do that when they own ICE vehicles just to save the wear on their vehicles, let alone the extra room.
You're the exception not the rule. Most people don't drive that much in a day all that often. For the few times you do you can rent a ICE car. Hopefully eventually we will get EVs that have that kind of range, but for now it's a good compromise.
@@redsquirrelftw Not in my area. The average commute in my area is 40 to 50 miles. 80% of the people drive 40+ Miles per day to work, and about 3% drive up 50+. Welcome to "suburbia".
@@mycosys Ummm, cheaper to fly then. You rent a vehicle lately? Holy wah. Last time we rented a vehicle is was $65 PER DAY with a 100 mile PER DAY limit. Wanted more, $85/day (250 per day limit), and if you wanted to leave the state with the vehicle, $100+ per day. That's for something like a Nissan Rogue. We actually looked at those options before, and we were just appalled at the cost. Sure we could go to some run of the mill budget garbage place (i.e., Snappy Rent a junker), but they have ZERO support outside their area, you MUST take their insurance, and you're still in the $100 per day in a pre-rented Hertz, Budget, etc., that has already had the crap kicked out of it. Last time I went with one of those "low end" guys, I went through 4 cars in 5 days while at an Auto plant. Car was driving no more than 10 miles a day, but they'd have transmission issues, brake issues, engine issues...no thanks. I'll keep my petrol vehicle for a while longer. As I said, NOTHING against the EVs, but for me? No way. Maybe when I retire.
@@WreckDiver99 Well get a job closer to home. I can't imagine driving that much all the time just to get to work. That's time you never get back and lot of unneeded wear and tear on the car which I doubt the company pays for.
"am I In Focus meh whatever!" Says 20 year old Dave, yup says my 20 year old eyes
That charger is in the 50s style but its so ugly.
You should check out Abetterrouteplanner, great website for planing your trip and charging stops!
My car charges at about 5MW. 😝
Has solar panels on the house; charges car at night.
Mostly during the day actually. Just saying you can charge overnight for convenience.
Imagine if/when the electrical grid has to supply enough energy to charge an entire populations cars every night? Completely insane and impractical.
They had to put a bigger transformer in my street but not because of the EVs. There are so many solarpannels on the roofs in the neighborhood that the power fed in to the grid was too much. EVs could actually help reduce the load on the grid. There are a lot of companies that allow their employees to charge their car when they’re at work.
@@MattyEngland Actually, it's likely not. 2.2kW is not a big increase on some homes power consumption.
@@MattyEngland the demand for electricity plummets overnight (as heavy industrial users close and most people go to sleep), so that is the best time to charge EVs from a grid perspective.
Dust your car!
"free" charging
Charging stations on the road will have people waiting in line, for hours!
In Norway the over 50% of the new Cars are electic vehicles and still they dont have any problems with charging. Fact is that the majority of drivers will be able to charge at their home location. With the growing number of cars the number of puplic charging points will also rise. It is like the people in the early 1890-1900 would have said that it is impossible to drive an fuel car because you only can get fuel at the pharmacy...
Sometimes you are lacking basic common sense. I have noticed many times. Weird perv ersion
I appreciate my time, why waiting so long if I can fill my gas tank in a couple of minutes? Electric vehicles don't worth it.
You're one of those, aren't ya. He literally said in the video that most of the time you don't ever need to charge outside of home for your daily commute. So you're actually saving those couples of minutes you'd spend filling up your petrol car.
Like he said in the video you can just charge overnight when you're home. Who cares even if it takes 12+ hours. Treat it the same as plugging in the ICE car block heater in the winter, and you can literally use the same plug.
@@han5vk couple of minutes? try 10 minutes sometimes when everyone is waiting to fuel up when the petrol price is "cheap"
_"I appreciate my time"_
Do you appreciate an unpoluted atmosphere as much?
@@clayton4115 My favourite is when Canadian Tire has a sale where it's under a dollar a litre and you see people lining up, idling and burning gas that they originally paid the regular price for, just so they can buy more gas at a temporary cheaper rate.
42 minutes to go from 54% to 90% ?
Call that 'Fast Charging'? 🤣🤣🤣
I would be home by then in my compact 40 MPG car
Other than bragging rights, EVs are joke
The trick is it's only a handful of minutes from 0-50%, so if you skate the bottom half of the battery you can easily get 99% of the driving you need done in on the fastest reasonable charging. People just want to see 100% on the gauge out of habit but it isn't necessary except for road trips. Most road trips involve getting to a destination with an empty battery then stopping to do whatever it is you needed to be there for - so you plug in during that time. Just a changed mindset. No joke.
99% of the time you just charge at home, which is even faster than filling a gas car. 5 seconds as you walk from your car to your house to plug it in. Even if the occasional fast charge takes a little longer, over the life of the vehicle you spend hours less time 'filling it up.'
@@LB-fx1kn Agreed fully. It's just a change of mindset. Same argument as "I can't believe you have to start the engine of your car, I just get on my horse and it's already running". For every inconvenience there is a tradeoff for huge convenience.
People upgraded from flip phones that lasted a week to smart phones that last a half day. You have to plug in every day but daily 5 seconds fighting a cord is worth the convenience of having the world in your hand.
Yes, you are faster at home to watch the latest climate change disasters such as bush fires and wonder why that is.
🤣🤣🤣
That's when you realized how lucky you are owning a tesla. I thought 150 kw was normal for DC fast charging
It's just a shame Teslas are so expensive
@@KarlBaron And badly finished.
but the battery are dieing out too soon, they cost to much to replace, more damage on earth, and i can go to an gas station and fill up and leave in 5 mins and go 300+ miles per tank,
And ICE cars need more regular maintenance, and more regular costs of ownership. Petrol is gonna cost a lot more than electricity for per kilometer costs.
8 year warranty, so soon
So you find a 50Kw charger and then half way through smoke comes out from under you car and then it bursts into flames.
Where is this coming from??
@@marcelhh2101 You're right, you don't really need a charger for that: ua-cam.com/video/U9dgtbHYBk4/v-deo.html
Sounds like a Nissan Leaf with no battery cooling (it was cheaper to make that way)
Hi