🛑 T705 vs 990 Pro vs Optane RAID BENCHMARKS 😱👑 DIRECT STORAGE
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The Hub snippet in the background I laughed out loud when I heard the 35% 😂
No kidding, I'm like "oh hes listening to steves bullshit again"
Dude... the video quality getting better and better, love to see it and thanks to the supporters
Intel Optane is amazing for write life. I have a P1600X 118GB as my page file drive and for The First Descendant install. I initially bought the P1600X to fix a low RAM crashing issue from The Division, but my primary concern is longevity. A year ago, my benchmarking sessions (repeated restarts) ate 5.4TB of write life off my Samsung 860 PRO 512GB, which hit 99% remaining life, so the P1600X took the job as the 40-50GB page file. At the moment, 20TB+ written, and the P1600X is at 99% (Intel's lifetime writes is 1292TB). Optane is an expensive server product, but the endurance and low latency is outstanding.
Do you feel having that large of an pagefile does any diffrence?
Never thought of having it that large so im juct curius
@@NinjaTaco__ In my experience, the large page file helped reduce crashing when I had 16GB of DRAM. After I upgraded to 32GB, I fixed crashing from running out of DRAM and virtual memory. Now, the Optane is good for loading The First Descendant quickly. I use Optane for the insane write life.
I have a 1.6 TB Optane P5800X as my OS disk and 2 Predator 4TB m.2 I'm RAID0 with 2 partitions that are used for my SteamVR library and nightly Macrium disk images. I like this setup. The Optane was expensive but it will basically last for the rest of my life and has the best latency of any drive, I bet well into the future.
Can we just update windows and get 35 percent faster drives?
Maybe I downloaded more cores last night
Here's what reviews with the T705 have yet to show; They are missing PC games that are built with the Directstorage API. None of the games shown here will have that benefit for the SSD. Please re-test your SSD runs with any of the four games with Directstorage API: Forspoken, Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, Forza Motorsport, or Horizon Forbidden West.
So subtle on Lobotomy Unboxed. Love it. Thanks for the review.
905optane last forever vs nvme 2024, and also way faster with primocache, also even wen 90% full, 905 is a winner, and im kinda sad Intel stopped it, maybe it was to powerfull who knows. P5800X is pcie gen 4 and again on another level vs nvme.
Yep, still rocking an 800gb P5800x for a boot drive + caching. Nothing beats it. It was a painful $1500 when I got it but I don't regret it. If you don't need that type of storage performance (database mostly) no real reason to use it. 905p is still comparatively cheap and what I would grab for a windows OS drive if possible.
Nvme nand flash drives will be sufficient in the overwhelming majority of cases though.
Gen 5 drive controllers run too hot. Need to wait for second gen versions.
3d xpoint was too expensive according to Intel, it's a shame they weren't able to sell it off to someone like they did the rest of their SSD business. I snapped up a bunch of p1600x's when they were cheap and prices have gotten down to reasonable for 4800x's so i'm going to grab a few of those for my NAS.
@@LiveType 905 1,5TB -50% neeweg ebay !.
20:49 that was sneaky......🤣
That HUGE pic of Steve really is the cherry on the top of this vid.
I'm somewhat new around here - what was that all about? Did that dude say there was a performance gain in something by switching to a certain Windows build?
@@_Code.Pilot_ recent video about a windows update that boosts performance by quite a bit
Another great video, love your channel man keep up the great work! Just got that T705 4TB, will be installing and testing on the new ASUS Crosshair x870e Hero very soon 🤘🙏
Very informative video. Almost a shame you had to go for the subscription reminder right before the content. That's usually what channels with low-quality content do, which tends to have the opposite effect on quality watchers and rather makes low-quality audiences subscribe. In any case, thank you for the great content!
Love your vids man i was literally just researching Optane drives 2 days ago
first jufes video in a while just wanted to say the new cut is a great look you are rocking it
lol, the fued is hilarious 😂
I bought the T700 last year. My ProArt 670E board has two PCIE 5 M.2 slots. 1 between the CPU and the primary PCIE 5.0.slot, and 1 at the bottom right corner of the MB sharing a large heatsink with two PCI 4.0 M.2 slots. Longer runs but a much cooler spot. Drive stays fairly cool in that position. The one between the CPU and the GPU or underneath the GPU will always be problematic for heat.
Yeah. Seems Asus mobos have better placement of gen-4 M.2 drives - near bottom of mobo compared to way higher-up with Gigabyte & MSI.
Micron (aka Crucial) was the company that used to make the 3D XPoint memory (for Intel) used in Optane SSDs. I'm currently using an Optane P5800X in my desktop rig and a 990 Pro in my laptop. They're both excellent drives.
I’m using the 990 Pro and SN 850x and the 990 Pro runs soo much cooler
4TB + 2TB 990 Pro here. Always been impressed with Samsung SSDs.
4TB Samsung 990 Pro and 2x 4TB FireCuda 530.
@@ColinDyckes Oh Nice!!! Damn you got a shit load of storage your good for a while sir!!
@@ZackSNetwork Iv never tried a FireCuda drive but it must be pretty good bc it has really good reviews.
Got a SN850 and eventually put it in a PCie adapter (a $10 cheap one) to cool it a bit indeed
Insane is an understatement. It would already be an amazing feat if a 6-year old product only started loosing to current new products now...6 years later. Another thing to at least still manage to tie current products. An insane feat to still be beating current products 6 years after release. Well, Intel Optane doesn't just beat current products, it utterly obliterates them. Gen 4 and the best gen 5 drives are in the 80s and 90s for random reads, sometimes 100, and on a very good day, 110. Then there's 6-year old Intel Optane doing like 350+ random reads. Insane is an understatement.
Intel Optane feels like those documentaries & reports about incredible technology from 100s or 1000s of years ago that we still don't understand and/or got suppressed.
I would love if you could make a video about the perceived snappiness in Windows and such you're talking about! I've been looking into optane for a while, but never been able to justify the pricetag... But if it literally makes day-to-day usage of my computer snappier and just more crisp, it might really be worth it seeing as there's basically no perceivable downside in gaming performance, and all other things are limited by other slower drives or networking anyway.
Would've also been interesting if you tried some direct storage games. Like Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
Dude, it took me solid 10 minutes of digging for a thing from 8 years ago but I think it goes into the exact detail you want. Type into YT search "Triple M.2 Samsung 950 on Z170 RAID Tested - Why So Snappy?" and thumbnail should be with orange gigabyte z170 board. Video by PC Perspective.
isn't the Corsair MP700 PRO SE 4Tb with heatsink the fastest??
Excellent video. It's not "read speeds" alone though that suck...it's specifically *4K Read* speeds which are the bottlenecks with all SSDs. This is critical as the data stored on the vast majority of default configed drives/OSs all use 4K cluster sizes (and most files are 4K or smaller), so the quicker your 4K reads & writes are (specifically), the faster your overall performance will be. This is also why you want to RAID them (4 drives minimum, ideally 8...note the PCI4/5 bus will he bottlenecking all the sequential stuff, but all we care about are 4K Read/Write speeds).
WTF maybe its because I am french but how can youtube send me fucking jay two cents and other fake IT boys when this type channel just exists ??? the informations + quality of the speech its just amazing
Great face off. Been using Optanes for several years and still do. Wondering if you could test the Intel p5800x in a future video. Its even faster and PCIE 4.0
So it seems like no matter how good you get sequential reads or random reads games load basically just as fast. What's bottlenecking load times then? Is it just the cpu or ram? Does using a RAMdisk show any improvement?
hey, averaging the load times the t705 ties with optane. Could you do some DAW benchmarks for us music producers?
Jufes you were mentioning ryzen 2 deaths/degradation in one of the shorts. Any proof on that or maybe make a video about it?
the pcie m.2 adapter cards cover is aluminum
@Framechasers does your PC Optimization course include undervolt/underclocking information? Big chip, little cooler.
Sort of, it’s more about teaching the sweet spot of the cpu based on thermals and power draw, Which is essentially undervolting if your thermally limited
Can u make a benchmark of optane like small size with big nvme ssd in raid
and see how its goes ty
i done windows update and i got extra 65% speed out of the drives.
I'm putting the Jiushark M.2-Three big heatsink on that hot T705!
Would be nice if you could test frametime stutter, traversal stutter and shader compilation stutter between the drives in demanding next gen games.
Apparently the more unoptimized the game the better the optane performs, I think star citizen or some other game like that was even bundled with optane at one point.
Its been a while when drive tests was still reasonable for a casual user. Unless you benching some server/database workloads - SSDs are all basically the same for the game or windows performance.
You should have use 990 Pro Plus, but knowing T705 gets hot so fast is scary.
The Optane P1600X 118GB is the best system drive. It has 2280 M2 form factor, almost the same random performance like P5800X. If you want more Optane storage go for 900p and 905p in AIC (HHHL) format. 900p 280GB AIC can be found around 100EUR. Bandwidth doesnt matter while consumer SSDs cant keep them for extended periods. Jufes if you wanted to compare storage you should bench Starfield loading times. Optanes are like improving your 1% and 0.1% lows and overall system experience.
7:28 What software do you use for cloning?
Have you done a review about the 7900x3d?
When do raid 0 drives run on chipset lanes instead of cpu lanes? 11:55
As an owner of Crucial's Gen4 1TB model, yeah their shit runs way too hot. Don't know what it is about the controller IC on Crucial SSDs that causes so much heat and results in throttling, but yeah..
Buy the cheapest one and use the money saved for the graphics card.
Anyway, it was an interesting comparison. And the question of the PCIe line and whether or not the future RTX 5000 will be PCIe 5, was very well remembered. Many other UA-camrs would simply ignore this detail.
Has anyone in the Frame Chasers community tried flashing PNY 4090 with nvflashk yet? I am trying to find information and avoid a brick. I am considering flashing the 520 watt Suprim bios.
Lexar SSD NM790 4TB. Cheapest 4TB NVME gen 4 SSD compatible with ps5. Paid 295AUD for it in oct '23, now they are 370AUD.
Informative...Thanks!
Can you try The Sims 3 with heavily mods/custom contents/all dlc? This game is able to run on Pentium 4 and intel gma series plus 1gb ram and windows xp. However, running with those conditions on my direct die 10900kf and highly tuned dual rank B-die @ 4600mhz 16-16-16-36 and 3080 Ti plus nvme ssd still feels struggling. I just ordered 9800x3d to see if it could run better or not since it seems to be cpu limited in several scenarios.
Also wonder if 905p will make the sims 3 load faster than typical nvme ssd or not since the 4k qd1 is superb on optane drive.
Do I want the fastest or most durable/longevity? I'll take the latter. Noone needs anything more than 3GBps speeds. Optane all the way.
Bro that background with Steve is fkn hilarious!
Awesome tests!
11:02 this small GPU looks very interesting! What is this GPU?
We need AMD test to see if Optane still nets any benefits there. Intel Optane DC P5800X, would be interesting to see in case you can manage to get one.
To mitigate NANDs poor random performance, you can increase block size from 4kb to 16kb or even 64kb. You will lose a bit of space but you will get faster speeds than on optane
ssd dnt need that but in HDD it helps alot . 😊
@@CaptainScorpio24 you still get higher throughput. Look at an ATTO bench to figure out you optimal block size. Setting it to 16KB basically makes a NAND SSD go as fast as Optane with every file size. Yeah, real world performance impact is unnoticeable but it's nice to have non the less
@@pcoverthink hey, interesting but if is not noticeable then does it do anything? If with that you got it to perform faster for regular use then it would be an awesome hack, and cheaper than optane. Cheers
@@segundacuenta726 well, it doesn't do anything in irl kinda and what doesn't help is that it wasn't tested really as it probably impacts 0.1% lows and most likely on the initial game startup/test run. Theoretically faster tho so I don't mind loosing some space for it. Not like it's a massive downside
Great review as always.
lol i recall when my dream storage device was 300 gb and only 200 mb per second transsfer speed lol
The background image is the best bro
Is the Optimization course finished and ready to order ?
Yep
Interesting, So Timmy can slay on any of these.
i use a 905p as my boot drive and a cheap ass wd blue 4tb sata 3 ssd for my games. Windows is snappy, and the game load times don't matter that much to me
You're not putting that Optane to use. If you want to see something crazy, launch 30 programs at the same time on each of the disks. The Optane will load everything instantaneously. Thats where it shines.
What is the bottleneck, preventing games from loading faster?
Can you do a video on those laptop 13950HX Q1LP chips from aliexpress that you can run on a LGA board? Insane value if you want to FAFO
I care more about the memory modules, have owned a lot of drives. Need them to last its why I will just buy a WD Black over their competitors. Since the higher tier WD's proprietary memory modules can take more abuse on writes. I really hate having to do a fresh install of my games/apps when a m.2 fails or any drive for that matter.
I think the TeamGroup MP44 should be discussed they're pretty gud
990 pro RAID for Timmy?
i got a found out moment today.. unfortunally it was with an nvidia card. black screen and fan blowing like crazy. well no more nvidia crap.
That crazy thumbnail made me click on this shit... LMAO!
When I really See the big difference in speed of the drives is updating games. Try Apex Legends, SMITE, Call of Duty
351MB/s on 4k with the optane for flying fuck's sake. The Gen5 MSI M580 only gets 80 or 90 when it fills up a bit.
I should just shave my head too since I am balding as well.
The hub audio 🎭
Optane is so cool
T705 sucks, gets too hot and fails. I got the non heatsink version as i have a very large one with the motherboard. Didnt matter though, i tried moving a few hundred gigs from an older nvme to it and after a fast 20-30GB it totally choked and went to 0/bytes per second and hung. I tried with an external drive and same results. Reddit has other people reporting thermal throttles with the T705. Unfortunately she's not very stable.
960GB 905p is the best OS drive for sure
Steve disliked this video 😂
Optane is called intermediate memory hierarchy and heat destroys them. mb
Optane, "won''t heat up ur motherboard factual, but where did u get that heat killer optane reversal, do more research. mb
random read the optane difference is reading a state and not a charge that is a state but takes longer to read on a captive charge device. mb
Do yourself a favor and skip to 9mins 45. This dude talks to hear himself.
samsung magician software really does make the 990 pro worth it
Basically M.2 PCI 4.0 is more than enough for anything.
Micron discontinued their P5 series, so I have no choice but to move to the T series. 😬
Even WD SN850X & Samsung 980 Pro are still good
TEAMGROUP T-Force GE PRO (Latest firmware) might need your attention Jufes
My( 2) 36gig Western Digital Raptors in Raid 0 beats that shit.
My 2 TB Crucial T500 beats my WD_BLACK 2TB SN850 NVMe
👍🏽 🤙🏽
qw? are u not alone there ?:)
t705 and gen 5 nvme in general just runs too damn hot atm... you need a massive piece of metal or even fans/liquid to cool it properly, && not all mobos that are gen 5 capable are playing well with recognizing the drive using the native NVME driver/controllers from bios... even the t700 has the same issue... you can find these gen 5 drives on heavy discounts currently especially at MicroCenter b/c no one is buying them, they are collecting dust bunnies in the case... even most after market heatsinks have trouble keeping them cool... your stock mobo armor is not enough for these pocket microwaves even the oem crucial heatsinks are a joke from the factory -- as jewfus even could not tame it with the oem heatsink he had to use that chonkus rog pcie card... unless you plan on sticking your gen 5 drives under water do not bother... sammy nvmes work in everything and the only thing they do well is chip/flash storage its what the rode to get to the top and they should just stick to what theyre good at bc their tvs and appliances and other junk they make aint it...
micron is trying to make a comeback but their drives are having growing pains lots of bad units and doa drives are popping up esp on the gen 5 side of the coin... their gaming/consumer ram outside of the server and notebook space, is poop as well... its getting smoked by sk hynix chineseisum all across the spectrum.
steve's eye are really dilated.
I bought a 4TB T705 and I love it. Overkill, but file transfers and game downloads are so fast.
It's not that serious bro
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#lifeinthefastlane
Ok jufes. 35% ya later. 😅😅😅😅
Test that persistent intel ram
Its still ddr4 btw...
Sorry but T700 is faster IDK why but it is.
Stupid idea, but maybe not. Install 256gb of ram, the T705, create a ram disk with 224gb of space, and make your game shortcuts as a script that erases the RAM disk, copies the game and then launches it. I’d be curious about loading times and FPS. It would be better than direct storage and be on every game.
905p + 10900k + tuned bdie = snappiest windows ever
lol,,, a 22 minute video to let us know what the PC community has known since PCIe Gen 3? That there is no discernable differnce? Even a budget QLC will give you the same indescernable level of snappyness, and TBH so will a $50 sata drive. The higher end NVME is basically just for transfering large data to and from high end SSDs. This channel used to be half decent, now its just clickbait timewaste.
Thanks for clicking and viewing 🫡
@@FrameChasers I actually jumped to the end in case there was some NEW conclusion discovered. Laughing at the morons who actually watched this shit for 22 minutes. Cheers!
A click is a click, thank you!
Your mistake was using the heatsink that came with the T705.
That thing is garbage. Other heatsinks will give you temps in the high 40 degrees.
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probably the best publiclity, being known as chill normal peeps