I think that’s mostly true. But I also think you can gain a lot of insight by looking at how different abilities worked during this period. Even if just to understand which perks you should be building around going forward post-MC
@@173muppet from playing a decent amount of fighter this patch i can say he is in a great state balancing wise. he doesn't feel opressive in fights, sure, i fyou are locked in a room with a fighter you are going to have a bad time, however you can say that of many classes when they have their optimal positioning/terrain/advantage etc. i really don't think nerfing sprint is a good idea, the reason everyone uses it is its universal application, not because it is an auto win button
@@Euthafro that does make sense however i am overall completely negative on MC. i don't think this 'test' was valuable in the slightest, as i don't simply care that certain combinations are broken, as they never should have existed in the first place; it's clown data from a joke of a system that will be happily never mentioned again by the community, in the hopes that the devs never get any more spastic ideas love your videos keep it up
Great video. I have a different viewpoint, but mainly cause I’m a greylobby warlock. Blood Pact is very good with white stat clothes. +10 on everything is strong, especially as a buff cleric combo. Perserverance, Chard Stack, hydra kill farm, bless and self curse/buff with each attack heal, made you very tanks with dps. You could always have full stacks, as you can repeatedly kill your hydra without losing health. If you used blessed for +3 and +15 vigor in blood form, you had easily above 160 health and took less damage. You used +strength gear with your buffs and attacked for around 60 dmg as a demon. I feel everyone tried to rush you, as you are a warlock, especially the anti magic tanks and you turned and they ran from you :D But with the extra agility you often outrun them :3 Would still highly recommend the demon form in grey lobbies, if you ever want to make a video in the coming wipes :D
I agree with the BoC take. Because Smite absolutely wrecked over BoC this whole stretch. I loved having some spell memory on my Rogue for a little while, since I used Haste, Invis, and Magic Lock to avoid getting trampled by Fighters, Barbs, etc. But I traded it out for bow related stuff later and had way more fun.
As a support cleric/warlock hybrid you HAD to have either sprint or savage roar in norms - otherwise you were just straight griefing. Let that sink in.. a cleric support needed one of these 2 abilities to be reasonably functionally competitive in the meta LOL
Ranger with bard songs made ranger very viable in solos, duos, and trios. I managed over 200 and 300 assists in crypts alone because the buffs make ranger more well- rounded. Multi-classing revived ranger for me.
Okay this is a bit long but here are my thoughts… I agree with most of these takes. Multi-classing was an indirect nerf to boc -on top of the recent boc nerf. I loved the anti-heal property it provided to help deal with second wind fighters, but with multi-classing everyone had easy access to heavy MR so it was very often countered. As a warlock it just makes more sense to use a more op skill like savage roar if you want to play close range or if you are a castor; sprint to help kite. Another honorable mention has to be the blood exchange skill from barbarian. It heals for 10% max hp per attack. Pairing that with Achilles strike and the now universal creep gives barbs or any melee class the ability to heal tons as long as the other player isn’t aware to not move. Since Achilles strike damages on movement and it has a very fast tick rate, with BE you can heal around 60-70% hp within 2.5 seconds. I’d say it’s not quite op though because if aware, the other person could simply not move and it would tank you’re potential healing, plus the 8 second -20% max hp debuff side effect and the fact that it has to be recovered with campfire isn’t awesome. However it’s practically a guaranteed 1v1 win in any kind of close range play right now since I think it’s relatively unknown. (though skinny Pete is raising its popularity) Closing thoughts: multi-classing is fun to mess around with weird and different builds, especially the off meta stuff. But with the way it’s implemented now it is simply not good for the game. There’s too many busted builds that can simply dominate and I think it ruins the game. I’m happy that it’s getting removed and we can finally go back to the core gameplay. I still absolutely love Dark and Darker though and somewhere deep in my imagination I hope to see this game grow closer near fornite level where we can play optional wacky game modes to goof off and spice up the game.
Towards the end of multiclassing I encountered a few rupture rangers and it was absolute hell, so I think that putting rupture in honorable mentions is very fair, it wasn't mianstream but it was still very good
Nice vid ! I believe they straight up killed BOC with all the recent nerf they did to it. Dmg went from 15 to 10 (was 20 months ago) and then they nerf the scaling from 100% to 50%... This ability is now trash. They also nerfed shadow touch before MC and DR last week. When MC will be gone, I don't think melee warlock will be a good anymore.
I agree with most things but I would change 2 things. I think achillies should be in S tier instead of savage. Just because it basically counters savage, allowing you to outspace them and hit the savage user without getting hit if you have a long range melee weapon until savage runs out. On top of that it helps you deal with kiting classes, they just cant run away once you hit them. Second thing I would put wizard ice shield perk in S tier as well. For melee fights its busted and you basically win every fight if you space properly due to the movement and action speed reduction. The armor rating is just a bonus.
Most broken build I saw was probably Yami's bard build that ran Dual wield, Slayer, Sword Mastery, and Rapier mastery, then he ran musical memory for speed and Barbs Frightening Roar.
As a warlock I actually enjoyed having advanced healing if I made a magic healing build it was almost like day 1 release for warlock with instant full health for me I'm not opposed where you put it though because there were just better perks to use
The only positive thing I hope the devs got from this multiclassing is that they can see that Barb perks and skills are far superior than other classes, also sprint +50 flat movespeed is too much.
Great takes dude. Honestly would have loved more tiers but really that speaks to Ironmace balance of these going into multi class 😂. You were always absolutely better off with any of your S picks over any A options and the rest were just niche/meme. Look forward to next vid
Had fun especially when I lost zero fights with no one running my build lol. Warlock with wizards spells/insane bonk if they walk up. Divine strike, staff mastery, bloodstained blade, ignite, with smite activated think about it. Yes I 2 shot every thing add minor cactus the end.
Solid takes here. MC was fun for the first week or so, but as a cleric/wiz hybrid I was definitely outmatched for the exact reasons you covered. Spells suck when everyone has Iron Will and is staking max flat damage. I'm glad IM tried this experiment, but I'm happy to see them going back to the drawing board.
I personally don’t think shadow touch was overrated. I was doing more dagger builds on bard during MC, and shadow touch plus rondel and a lot of action speed MELTS. If you stack 11 true phys (which is what I would do), then shadow touch is another 2 true damage on your attack. So every single dagger stab is 13 damage no matter what. Then I’d run demon armor for PDR and the health gain from shadow touch is noticeable cause you aren’t dying in 2/3 hits.
Bard doesn’t even make the video, they by far have the worst skills and perks and half their songs are bad. Trying to multi class off of them was a pain.
All his perks are just so specific. Even rapier mastery is just sword mastery but you can only use it with rap. I’ve seen rapier mastery rogue but you just got better odds going for fighter stuff
Slayer rogue with bard buffs was one of the most broke builds for solo imo, you need almost perfect rolls but you can get all the good buffs + sllayer and wm
@@TitanBichota took me like 3k gold to get 3 out of the 5 good bard songs on my rouge💀, it’s simply easier to play bard with rogue stuff. Multiclassing off of bard was just a waste of money if u didn’t get perfect rolls.
As a warlock main this wipe, I loved using advanced healing overhealing it opened up soloing crypts bosses a lot easier I even mc’d into holy purification from cleric to kill the bats on ghost king. I ended up getting my first unique from it!
I’ve been playing plenty of demon with cleric stuff like perseverance, divine strike, lesser and protection. I think demon is underrated and fighter is a tough match up but everyone is losing to max mdr+pdr fighters they are clearly the strongest imo
The only one I really disagree with is phantomize, the only way to just "run behind them" is if you already have a lot more base move speed than them. Phantomize may give slightly less move speed than sprint, but that gets evened out by its longer duration. A good player can also usually position themselves to be able to phantomize through mobs to make it effectively impossible to chase. There's a reason just about every single warlock still ran phantomize rather than sprint. Edit: nevermind i was just wrong
They have the same duration and sprint comes back faster. And if you put your weapon away it makes up for the 10% move speed buff from phantomize. Phantomize is really good on warlock with flamewalker but no one else.
@@silly-rm7ub np. i do think it has great synergy with the warlock kit, but a lot of people say phantomize is really op and I just don't think the multiclassing data supports that. it's warlock as a whole that's op haha
you should have created a dataset of rules you were folowing to rank those because some logics you used to justify your rankings were not consistent troughout the whole video either way thanks for bringing a difrent kind of content!
Personally I'd also put Cleric's protection spell in A, it worked in synergy really well with divine protection and reactive shield for me as a wizard.
Phantomize value is defo more duo trio cuz warlock gets to poke forever and then leave having ppl hold or just close the door. Antimagic let u overcap magic res so thats pretty insane.
Where did this idea start? I see a lot of people saying that about antimagic but I’m pretty sure it’s just fake news and you get regular old magic res. The wiki says nothing about the mechanic you’re describing
@@Euthafro idk, ive seen it in a few videos and i think someone also tested it. my friend who is super addicted and totally in denial of the game being kinda, rough rn. also said it worked like that and ran it often. idk, mb they patched it out also. but apparantly it overcapped magic res cuz its flat %
advanced healer plus vampirism was amazing in normal lobbies (which i like to think atleast 60 percent of the community was playing cuz hr was really aids). but yeah it was so nice to just have that healing off the bat and not have to waste gold on a shit ton of common gear, or atleast use it on trying to get knowledge over healing.
overheal never felt great even with gear though tbh, its like a choice between robust (15% max health) or overheal (20% max health but you have to work for it and it depletes pretty quick.)
Maybe a hot take but I feel like if they nerfed robust, iron will, sprint and savage roar at the start of multiclassing then it would’ve allowed for more diverse builds. Every lobby without fail had multiply players rocking that same perk/skill setup because it was understandably very strong. Experimenting with other builds felt pretty tough because you’d constantly run into tanky players running this setup. I’m glad they’re removing multiclassing but I hope they will do some sort of event in the future (waaaay into the future) where multiclassing is a thing but you can essentially just pick what perks and skills you want. The grind and randomly rolling was super long and forced more casual players to not play at all!
Generally I agree, but I think at the beginning no one could really get the combos they wanted and it probably didn’t seem as bad to IM. They had to make it easier to get levels and reroll so everyone could participate, but that accessibility came with a cost in the end.
I’m almost positive it doesn’t work like that. Doesn’t say on the wiki but from using -80 to -90% debuff kits I surely would have noticed getting roasted by every debuff instantly. I think dot’s only work like that if you are the one applying them
Every time flat damage stacking is strong, ranger is strong. I feel like ranger itself is never the problem and every time it feels like ranger needs a nerf it’s really just gear. Ranger was really good during MC, but nobody wants bow perks
warlock was pretty garbage for MC because everyone was running MR and Sprint so any melee character just wrecked you with no real counter play. MC was just a bad idea. as soon as everyone figured out the system it was super broken and destroyed half the classes because theyd run the same perks as every other class that was a caster or melee respectively. also the "data" they collected was pretty worthless because all it told us was that stacking a bunch of top tier shit was broken and half the skills and abilities are only used because there arent better options which anybody with half a brain could have told you.
I heard that song in a cooking video recently and it really messed me up. Not only was I offended that they used my theme song but the video had more views than my entire channel 😂😭
Thank god you put BOC in overrated, that skill especially after getting nerfed was like a piss poor walmart budget version of smite... Also good riddance to everyone taking Perseverance and Robust :)
I’ve been playing plenty of demon with cleric stuff like perseverance, divine strike, lesser and protection. I think demon is underrated and fighter is a tough match up but everyone is losing to max mdr+pdr fighters they are clearly the strongest imo
opener had me rolling haha
same lol.
Same 😂
protection from evil is an S tier defensive perk FOR SURE.
Agree, honestly above perseverance in most my builds. Def above iron will for my range/support builds
the abilities aren't OP, they are meant to be used within the restrictions of a class
I think that’s mostly true. But I also think you can gain a lot of insight by looking at how different abilities worked during this period. Even if just to understand which perks you should be building around going forward post-MC
I sort of agree for most abilities but i just think Sprint is so strong. Why would you ever run anything else?
@@173muppet from playing a decent amount of fighter this patch i can say he is in a great state balancing wise. he doesn't feel opressive in fights, sure, i fyou are locked in a room with a fighter you are going to have a bad time, however you can say that of many classes when they have their optimal positioning/terrain/advantage etc. i really don't think nerfing sprint is a good idea, the reason everyone uses it is its universal application, not because it is an auto win button
@@Euthafro that does make sense however i am overall completely negative on MC. i don't think this 'test' was valuable in the slightest, as i don't simply care that certain combinations are broken, as they never should have existed in the first place; it's clown data from a joke of a system that will be happily never mentioned again by the community, in the hopes that the devs never get any more spastic ideas
love your videos keep it up
Great job. I really liked the solo perspective
Great video.
I have a different viewpoint, but mainly cause I’m a greylobby warlock.
Blood Pact is very good with white stat clothes. +10 on everything is strong, especially as a buff cleric combo. Perserverance, Chard Stack, hydra kill farm, bless and self curse/buff with each attack heal, made you very tanks with dps.
You could always have full stacks, as you can repeatedly kill your hydra without losing health.
If you used blessed for +3 and +15 vigor in blood form, you had easily above 160 health and took less damage.
You used +strength gear with your buffs and attacked for around 60 dmg as a demon.
I feel everyone tried to rush you, as you are a warlock, especially the anti magic tanks and you turned and they ran from you :D
But with the extra agility you often outrun them :3
Would still highly recommend the demon form in grey lobbies, if you ever want to make a video in the coming wipes :D
I agree with the BoC take. Because Smite absolutely wrecked over BoC this whole stretch.
I loved having some spell memory on my Rogue for a little while, since I used Haste, Invis, and Magic Lock to avoid getting trampled by Fighters, Barbs, etc. But I traded it out for bow related stuff later and had way more fun.
As a support cleric/warlock hybrid you HAD to have either sprint or savage roar in norms - otherwise you were just straight griefing. Let that sink in.. a cleric support needed one of these 2 abilities to be reasonably functionally competitive in the meta LOL
Ranger with bard songs made ranger very viable in solos, duos, and trios. I managed over 200 and 300 assists in crypts alone because the buffs make ranger more well- rounded. Multi-classing revived ranger for me.
Bro getting meditate on my cleric from wizard was game changing , infinite heals
Okay this is a bit long but here are my thoughts…
I agree with most of these takes. Multi-classing was an indirect nerf to boc -on top of the recent boc nerf. I loved the anti-heal property it provided to help deal with second wind fighters, but with multi-classing everyone had easy access to heavy MR so it was very often countered. As a warlock it just makes more sense to use a more op skill like savage roar if you want to play close range or if you are a castor; sprint to help kite.
Another honorable mention has to be the blood exchange skill from barbarian. It heals for 10% max hp per attack. Pairing that with Achilles strike and the now universal creep gives barbs or any melee class the ability to heal tons as long as the other player isn’t aware to not move. Since Achilles strike damages on movement and it has a very fast tick rate, with BE you can heal around 60-70% hp within 2.5 seconds. I’d say it’s not quite op though because if aware, the other person could simply not move and it would tank you’re potential healing, plus the 8 second -20% max hp debuff side effect and the fact that it has to be recovered with campfire isn’t awesome. However it’s practically a guaranteed 1v1 win in any kind of close range play right now since I think it’s relatively unknown. (though skinny Pete is raising its popularity)
Closing thoughts: multi-classing is fun to mess around with weird and different builds, especially the off meta stuff. But with the way it’s implemented now it is simply not good for the game. There’s too many busted builds that can simply dominate and I think it ruins the game. I’m happy that it’s getting removed and we can finally go back to the core gameplay. I still absolutely love Dark and Darker though and somewhere deep in my imagination I hope to see this game grow closer near fornite level where we can play optional wacky game modes to goof off and spice up the game.
Towards the end of multiclassing I encountered a few rupture rangers and it was absolute hell, so I think that putting rupture in honorable mentions is very fair, it wasn't mianstream but it was still very good
Nice vid ! I believe they straight up killed BOC with all the recent nerf they did to it. Dmg went from 15 to 10 (was 20 months ago) and then they nerf the scaling from 100% to 50%... This ability is now trash. They also nerfed shadow touch before MC and DR last week. When MC will be gone, I don't think melee warlock will be a good anymore.
I agree with most things but I would change 2 things. I think achillies should be in S tier instead of savage. Just because it basically counters savage, allowing you to outspace them and hit the savage user without getting hit if you have a long range melee weapon until savage runs out. On top of that it helps you deal with kiting classes, they just cant run away once you hit them. Second thing I would put wizard ice shield perk in S tier as well. For melee fights its busted and you basically win every fight if you space properly due to the movement and action speed reduction. The armor rating is just a bonus.
You missed "Back Attack", you would be shocked how often a Zwei Sprint Barb ends up hitting people who are running away... that's 30%!
Most broken build I saw was probably Yami's bard build that ran Dual wield, Slayer, Sword Mastery, and Rapier mastery, then he ran musical memory for speed and Barbs Frightening Roar.
As a warlock I actually enjoyed having advanced healing if I made a magic healing build it was almost like day 1 release for warlock with instant full health for me I'm not opposed where you put it though because there were just better perks to use
The only positive thing I hope the devs got from this multiclassing is that they can see that Barb perks and skills are far superior than other classes, also sprint +50 flat movespeed is too much.
Great takes dude. Honestly would have loved more tiers but really that speaks to Ironmace balance of these going into multi class 😂. You were always absolutely better off with any of your S picks over any A options and the rest were just niche/meme. Look forward to next vid
Had fun especially when I lost zero fights with no one running my build lol. Warlock with wizards spells/insane bonk if they walk up. Divine strike, staff mastery, bloodstained blade, ignite, with smite activated think about it. Yes I 2 shot every thing add minor cactus the end.
also was running bonk with spells, buffballing myself was a blast
Solid takes here. MC was fun for the first week or so, but as a cleric/wiz hybrid I was definitely outmatched for the exact reasons you covered. Spells suck when everyone has Iron Will and is staking max flat damage. I'm glad IM tried this experiment, but I'm happy to see them going back to the drawing board.
I personally don’t think shadow touch was overrated. I was doing more dagger builds on bard during MC, and shadow touch plus rondel and a lot of action speed MELTS. If you stack 11 true phys (which is what I would do), then shadow touch is another 2 true damage on your attack. So every single dagger stab is 13 damage no matter what. Then I’d run demon armor for PDR and the health gain from shadow touch is noticeable cause you aren’t dying in 2/3 hits.
Bard doesn’t even make the video, they by far have the worst skills and perks and half their songs are bad. Trying to multi class off of them was a pain.
I died to quite a few bards who stole premier stuff from fighter lol
All his perks are just so specific. Even rapier mastery is just sword mastery but you can only use it with rap. I’ve seen rapier mastery rogue but you just got better odds going for fighter stuff
Also he might have sus perks and whatnot but I think bard is still crazy good in solos
Slayer rogue with bard buffs was one of the most broke builds for solo imo, you need almost perfect rolls but you can get all the good buffs + sllayer and wm
@@TitanBichota took me like 3k gold to get 3 out of the 5 good bard songs on my rouge💀, it’s simply easier to play bard with rogue stuff. Multiclassing off of bard was just a waste of money if u didn’t get perfect rolls.
You missed music memory with the bard self buffs/shriek. Op on ranger, Op on fighter, Op on rogue
I never ran into that once. The only bard thing I ever saw someone take was rapier mastery on rogue
Look how many barb perks and skills are high tier. Should tell you something about class balance.
It’s because Barb gets his strength from his Perks and Skills. If they weren’t strong, you wouldn’t be able to play the class.
As a warlock main this wipe, I loved using advanced healing overhealing it opened up soloing crypts bosses a lot easier I even mc’d into holy purification from cleric to kill the bats on ghost king. I ended up getting my first unique from it!
I would put Spear P and Waepon mastery in the S tier because as a Wiz main it is very good for dealing with pve and helps in pvp
I’ve been playing plenty of demon with cleric stuff like perseverance, divine strike, lesser and protection. I think demon is underrated and fighter is a tough match up but everyone is losing to max mdr+pdr fighters they are clearly the strongest imo
The only one I really disagree with is phantomize, the only way to just "run behind them" is if you already have a lot more base move speed than them. Phantomize may give slightly less move speed than sprint, but that gets evened out by its longer duration. A good player can also usually position themselves to be able to phantomize through mobs to make it effectively impossible to chase. There's a reason just about every single warlock still ran phantomize rather than sprint.
Edit: nevermind i was just wrong
They have the same duration and sprint comes back faster. And if you put your weapon away it makes up for the 10% move speed buff from phantomize. Phantomize is really good on warlock with flamewalker but no one else.
@@Euthafro My bad, I don't know why I thought phantomize lasted longer!
@@silly-rm7ub np. i do think it has great synergy with the warlock kit, but a lot of people say phantomize is really op and I just don't think the multiclassing data supports that. it's warlock as a whole that's op haha
I personally think blood pact is best used with warlock, i took fights way above my gear and won, yes i do need 10 shards but i just farm my hydra.
hopefully they revert the cleric nerfs they made during multiclassinf
pfe was S for sure, but agree with everything else
Great list! Only one I disagree with is Slayer.. Slayer is S Tier. No other perk comes close for damage.
It might be S. Though I think the combo with the dual wield perk is part of what makes it so good
I literally 1 shot everyone with my barb built like a rogue using a falcion coming out of invis with rupture and ambush
Love the opener ngl
you should have created a dataset of rules you were folowing to rank those because some logics you used to justify your rankings were not consistent troughout the whole video either way thanks for bringing a difrent kind of content!
Personally I'd also put Cleric's protection spell in A, it worked in synergy really well with divine protection and reactive shield for me as a wizard.
Some of these perks the really good ones where busted long before MC and the A tier perks where always good
When they remove multiclass in I hope they rebuff divine protection.
Phantomize value is defo more duo trio cuz warlock gets to poke forever and then leave having ppl hold or just close the door.
Antimagic let u overcap magic res so thats pretty insane.
u cant overcap magic res with antimagic ? u can make it just max 75%
@@K.G8 from what i heard if u get to 75% and pick up antimagic the extra 15% does get added on top.
Where did this idea start? I see a lot of people saying that about antimagic but I’m pretty sure it’s just fake news and you get regular old magic res. The wiki says nothing about the mechanic you’re describing
@@Euthafro idk, ive seen it in a few videos and i think someone also tested it.
my friend who is super addicted and totally in denial of the game being kinda, rough rn.
also said it worked like that and ran it often.
idk, mb they patched it out also. but apparantly it overcapped magic res cuz its flat %
@@mikahoolwerff3563 I was talking about what @colin5551 said
There was good use of bard songs, just had to get really lucky with the random rolls
I missed all the fun because MC needed level 35. Suuuucks
advanced healer plus vampirism was amazing in normal lobbies (which i like to think atleast 60 percent of the community was playing cuz hr was really aids). but yeah it was so nice to just have that healing off the bat and not have to waste gold on a shit ton of common gear, or atleast use it on trying to get knowledge over healing.
overheal never felt great even with gear though tbh, its like a choice between robust (15% max health) or overheal (20% max health but you have to work for it and it depletes pretty quick.)
Maybe a hot take but I feel like if they nerfed robust, iron will, sprint and savage roar at the start of multiclassing then it would’ve allowed for more diverse builds.
Every lobby without fail had multiply players rocking that same perk/skill setup because it was understandably very strong. Experimenting with other builds felt pretty tough because you’d constantly run into tanky players running this setup.
I’m glad they’re removing multiclassing but I hope they will do some sort of event in the future (waaaay into the future) where multiclassing is a thing but you can essentially just pick what perks and skills you want. The grind and randomly rolling was super long and forced more casual players to not play at all!
Generally I agree, but I think at the beginning no one could really get the combos they wanted and it probably didn’t seem as bad to IM. They had to make it easier to get levels and reroll so everyone could participate, but that accessibility came with a cost in the end.
I am 6.5mins in. S tier category now has 1 barb skill an 2 barb perks out of 4 listed perks/skills....when barb nerf? xD lol
I can't believe you didn't put Smoke Pot in the S tier man 😢
Smite is literally BoC but better, especially when they put scaling back in. Not controversial at all
Protection from evil garbage. You still take the full damage from DOTs but just quicker. Only good against debuffs that dont cause damage.
I’m almost positive it doesn’t work like that. Doesn’t say on the wiki but from using -80 to -90% debuff kits I surely would have noticed getting roasted by every debuff instantly. I think dot’s only work like that if you are the one applying them
bro really disrespected caltrops barbarian like that huh?
Key takeaways from this is barbarian is op af
A class having 3 of the 4 op perks/skills has to say something
What did we learn - ranger does not need more nerfs!!
Every time flat damage stacking is strong, ranger is strong. I feel like ranger itself is never the problem and every time it feels like ranger needs a nerf it’s really just gear. Ranger was really good during MC, but nobody wants bow perks
Just make multiclassing perks only and maybe just like 3-4 per character
honorable mention: the knockback skill and arcane missile
warlock was pretty garbage for MC because everyone was running MR and Sprint so any melee character just wrecked you with no real counter play. MC was just a bad idea. as soon as everyone figured out the system it was super broken and destroyed half the classes because theyd run the same perks as every other class that was a caster or melee respectively. also the "data" they collected was pretty worthless because all it told us was that stacking a bunch of top tier shit was broken and half the skills and abilities are only used because there arent better options which anybody with half a brain could have told you.
You forgot about bard entirely
Always love the outro song also w opinions
I heard that song in a cooking video recently and it really messed me up. Not only was I offended that they used my theme song but the video had more views than my entire channel 😂😭
Funny how all the s tier was barb stuff lol
Why would anyone pick BoC when you can just Smite?
shadow touch blood exchange atk spd rogue i was one who used shadow touch lmao
140 hp 45% atk spd 16hp a hit
Thank god you put BOC in overrated, that skill especially after getting nerfed was like a piss poor walmart budget version of smite... Also good riddance to everyone taking Perseverance and Robust :)
crazy how kinda everyone hated mc
i think arcane shield might need a buff tbh not op enough
Lol. Btw your vid was sick, I guess I lied when I said I never seen anyone run shadow touch
@@Euthafro thanks, but yea idk i feel like a mini warlock LOL
Smite will always be the better BoC
BOC is absolutely overrated nowadays. Its a worse version of smite.
How do u not have savage as S tier
Nothing gives you as much movement speed and damage.
Mwah. Shit takes
I’ve been playing plenty of demon with cleric stuff like perseverance, divine strike, lesser and protection. I think demon is underrated and fighter is a tough match up but everyone is losing to max mdr+pdr fighters they are clearly the strongest imo