Hi Nicolas. You shouldn't need to justify your choice to anyone. You make some valid points but many of the perceived negatives are subjective. frankly, I've yet to see an attractive gas boiler! ...all just the bog standard white fridge looking box screwed to a wall. Heatpumps are also basically a white fridge looking box but on the floor, the cosy 6 is a breath of fresh air that's a departure from the norm and has at least is a unique design. I personally like it exactly because it is different....I'm not however a fan of the pink octopus emblazoned on the front, but at least that is removable. It can easily be made to be a feature by some artistic landscaping around it, I have seen a large pebble-shaped planter that would complement it perfectly, in fact, it looks to be made from a very similar, if not identical material. I have applied to Octopus to have the cosy 6 installed, I placed my deposit way back in January as soon as the order book opened and had my survey done in March, then waited...and waited...and waited...and now Octopus are throwing all sorts of obstacles in the way. I have spent weeks liaising with them. The issues were the proximity of a drain cover and a failure of the MCS 020 sound assessment, both of which I disputed. They resurveyed last week and conceded the drain cover issue as the cosy 6 does not interfere with access and as I pointed out is a sealed cover so there is no possibility of ingress of propane into the drain in the unlikely event of a leak. The remaining objection is the MCS sound level failure. Too much to go into detail here, but their calculation is flawed as the measurements that they are using for their calculation are inaccurate. I have spent some time today collating accurate measurements to submit to them along with my reworked MCS assessment, however, I cannot provide the full accurate data as I don't have the physical size of the cosy6. I have requested several times for Octopus to provide me with the tech specs and dimensional sizes of the cosy6 but they seem reluctant to do so. As a cosy6 owner (the only one that I know of) could you possibly help me out by providing the dimensions of the unit so I can compile accurate measurements for the MCS 020 assessment? Height, width and depth. I would be very grateful for your help in getting it over the line. I shall be following your cosy6 experience closely and, should I manage to eventually get mine installed, implement beneficial settings based upon your findings as well as contribute my experience too.
Honestly, I don’t understand why so many people are being immature and spiteful in the comments. This seems to happen quite a lot with renewable tech - I certainly noticed a fair amount of hate several years ago when I was driving an early EV. Why is it? Do you feel threatened? Maybe if you don’t have anything nice to say, say nothing? Would you say the same thing if you saw this guy down the pub? Anyway, fair play to the poster for putting the time and effort into such interesting and informative videos. Hopefully my (and the haters’) engagement has boosted his views!
I showed it to my wife, she said it looked like bin. I'd probably prefer the look of the normal type, but I'd still happily have one of these, although it would be fairly out of sight.
Yes I was at Sainsbury's checkout one day and pulled 2 tins of sardines out of my basket. The lad on the checkout remarked that he hated sardines, but I told him it was ok because I was buying them for me.
@@NicolasRaimo You’re welcome always happy to help boost the numbers! Will watch it properly later to find out the actual story. Did you like the Ebay joke reference?
@@eastrenewables I watch quite a few of Nicks videos , I knew straight away he was trying to wind up some of the trolls. .. it was a bit of a Troll Bait story really ... See what I've done there 🤪
as you say its your choice where it is and avoids planning etc, I will look forward to your (usually) detailed updates on performance over this winter. Nice house, love the brick work and neighbourhood. All the best.
The only minor comment I'd have on the position is that your wall would have the 45deg splay, is to provide a pedestrian vision splay (usually 2 meter x 2 meter but depends on the local council) and shouldn't have anything more than 600mm high (including planting) within that zone. If you are reversing out you might miss a kid for instance. So from a planning point of view you have obstructed the vision splay and highways/planners could get funny about it and tell you to remove it unless you applied for planning permission.
Question on the ‘long run’. Do you lose heat due to this? And therefore efficiency? The biggest issue for us getting a heat pump is space (London terraced house) with the heat pump itself being one aspect - end of the small garden is potentially the only place where we can be 1m from our boundary easily.
If you buy the cosy 6 heat pump, are you effectively locked into Octopus for the entirety of the pump's lifetime then? Not necessarily the worst thing ever, but have you lost a bit of freedom to chose another energy supplier?
You don’t need to stay with octopus as a customer the app will work for cosy even if you don’t buy energy from them but when fit fitted it needs to be commission to the hub
Happy to stick with my planned Daikin unit as you know it's a proven brand with plenty of engineers that are familiar with the brand and you have the knowledge of parts availability 👍
Good thing is that it not purple like the model was on the announcement. Not sure about the slopely front as surely that will allow more rain to get in when compared to a flat fronted unit. Wonder if that cut off corner of your garden was making an allowance to store your wheelie bins or to give better visibility when pulling out in your car?
Visually from a distance I think it would look less notable without the pink high-detail central sticker, reducing the colour palette to more uniform grey like street furniture, before being gifted their own graffiti and stickers ;)
Think there is a market for a noise generator. That sounds like a heat pump running on full load. It could relocated temporary at proposed location of a new heatpump. That would confirm no problem with neighbours....or wife
It literally looks like a rubbish bin unless you are close up. It's also huge compared to "ordinary" ones, and IMO looks awful. Do Octopus sell "normal" ones?
The fact that 50% don't mind the other 50% think it looks like a cheap dustbin something to pop your rubbish in on the way past. The fact your red line oenership line is to the path is noted but a service strip and the 45 degree viability splay has been compromised a planning issue when it comes to sale if not before. Especially as you have kindly brought it to everyone attention 🙏
I was not convinced by the noise test on two counts; a) noise at ground level is probably far less that at 1 meter above ground and adjacent to the fan - which is probably the greatest source of noise. Noise should be measured in a number of locations around the unit. b) the nature of the low frequency noise that these units can produce is that, when combined with similar units, they can create beat note sound , not in the immediate vicinity but some distance away. That type of noise can be very intrusive. I once lived in a block of flats (in another country) where everyone had heat pumps on their balconies to run the air-con. The throbbing noise was constant, but constantly changing in pitch with the wind and became intrusive - not enough consideration is being given to noise pollution and the negative impacts it can have on health and well being.
The fan so silent it was only picking up movement of air on the db where we measured was most noise level and where compressor was. Air con units are more noisy and depending on brand can be really cheap and noisy
It's nice that's it's not white or cream colour black blends in better although The angle of the intake fan looks like it will allow too much rain to get in the unit! Would have looked & maybe better being vertical.
Not happy, wasted 15 min waiting for the headline. The video itself was good. Don't use this kind of rubbish click bait otherwise you'll loose subscribers!
@@NicolasRaimoby the way, our Cosy 6 install date is 3 weeks away, in our front garden, so the video title didn't exactly help our piece of mind. As I said, the video itself is fine.
To meet MCS requirements no cooling is allowed on an Air to Water system ergo, no MCS approval = no BUS grant. Yes it's possible to make some Air to Water HP systems operate in cooling & yes some people have had systems installed got the grant & retrospectively converted their systems to run in cooling as well as heating. However, for cooling operation you would need to install more expensive fan coil units (FCU's) instead of radiators, each one of which will require a power supply & a condensate drain to get rid of condensate water which is produced at each FCU in cooling mode (chilled water will be at circa 10-14c). FCU's also make more noise than a radiator. It would also not be efficient switching the system backwards & forwards between summer cooling & hot water modes cooling down or heating up all the pipework volume in the system after each change over. Any & all existing water pipework must be insulated & vapour sealed otherwise it will sweat in cooling mode. If you have an UFH system then chilled water under the floor is a problem if it sweats & produces condensate so, the chilled water flow temps have to be higher to prevent this which sort of defeats the object of having cooling. If you want cooling operation for summer then you'd be better off installing a proper Air to Air Heat Pump system which can do both heating & cooling which is cheaper than an air to water system however, it will not qualify for the BUS grant. You'll also need a separate hot water heating system because most HP air con systems do not heat hot water. Some do but they are quite small capacity systems for apartments not for 3 bed house or larger. Best option is to have an air to water system for whole house heating & a separate HP air con system for specific rooms you might want cooled in the summer. Typically this tends to be bedrooms & or a living room. Either way more space is needed for additional outdoor units & more planning regulation hoops to jump through to make it possible!!
@@markbennett6658 I beg to differ. A combination of warmer summers & more airtight & highly insulated houses mean a lot of new build houses suffer from high heat build up on the upper floors come late afternoon / evening. 3 storey town houses are the worst. It's the single biggest driver of the residential AC market in the UK which is growing year on year. We have AC in our cars, in our places of work so people want it in their homes (especially bedrooms) as well. There are many cases of people on YT ripping out 1-2 year old gas boilers in new builds in favour of AC to provide whole house heating & cooling.
@@colingoode3702 fair point. My comment was slightly facetious following the last 2 disappointing summers. I’d still contend that in the main our need here is far greater for heating than cooling but I don’t doubt that the AC market will grow what with global warming and more efficient house building techniques. In the meantime opening a couple of windows for through ventilation, like we did in cars before AC will certainly help!
@@markbennett6658 I understand your line of thought & somewhat agree. I grew up with cars that did not have AC, power steering, heated rear windows, servo assisted brakes etc. However, buying a car these days (unless it's a classic) without these features is just not considered. Time moves on & for some people cooling is becoming & "must have" item for their home, especially in bedrooms so that they can get a decent night's sleep without having to open a window, which lets in bugs & external noise or having to run a noisy fan all night. Even though I worked in the HVAC industry for over 48 years I have avoided installing AC in my houses until recently when we had a conservatory built. We wanted to use it all year round & heating it from the house central heating system is not permitted (although many people do this) so I installed an air to air split heat pump which work great & is the most efficient solution. Ironically we rarely use the cooling function during the summer & just open all the windows instead. I might cave in & install AC in a few bedrooms at some point but for now I'll live with opening a window (we live on a quiet road).
The RHI that I had had all sorts of rules and is paid over 7 years. Yours is paid upfront and as long as you are approved you will have had it. After that they can't take money from you as they could with mine. The cooling aspect would apparently be OK with underfloor heating, but not radiators due to the condensatiion it would create.
I hadn’t appreciated that the trucking makes its way down the side of your house and quite visible, this wouldn’t be my “cup of tea”, but I guess you’ll happy with it, that’s all that counts.
I don’t particularly like the design of the Cosy 6, I don’t like the fitting of it in plain view “outside” the property, BUT, surely it’s for the owner to decide what they want. He explained his rationale on his previous videos and just because someone disagrees with him, some of the comments on here are borderline abusive. Seems to be as many anti heat pump comments as there are anti EV on UA-cam now, where did the concept of consideration for others opinions go?
Octopus told me to share my normal link for heat pump referrals. This seems to be odd as others on UA-cam have quoted a number like you have. I am enjoying our heat pump, installed in July. It was too early for the Cosy6.
My last video was so much full of negativity saying it’s going to get stolen in a week I had to make reference to it but I declared in first 5 second it hadn’t
I would have been more pragmatic and had Octopus fit one of their Daikin R32 units at back of house, primarily to reduce the heat loses, but secondly to keep the isolator switch out of public view. Would hate to think what might happen should a male dog try and target the switch....
So how does this location meet the "not within 1m of a boundary" planning regulation? I've pretty much discounted the possibility of a HP because of this & other R290 refrigerant restrictions.
It's not ugly, it's just different. I think it works as a unique design. it's obviously vulnerable to damage and/or loss but I presume this has been taken into account. Personally I feel it should have been caged for H&S, theft , insurance and vandalism issues but again I don't know the area. Wasn't keen on the clickbait title either.
Sorry Nicholas, but when you say the Octopus blends in with the local aesthetics, I can only assume you are thinking of the local wheelie bins. It's ugly. As for adding to the value of your house, as an owner of a heat pump, I have asked several estate agents who all say it doesn't. If anything, they say prospective owners may prefer a simple gas boiler.
It blends as it looks like nothing just a box your eyes ignore it. Regarding value watch what happens over next few years as we see phase out of gas and boilers on new builds
And no £7.5k grant; most UK homes have radiators as a throw back to gas and oil heating of times gone by (AKA, not many prior to 1970's in residential homes)... When British weather got too hot (>21C) it used to be a dip in local river, pond or stream, but not now if health is to be preserved.
@@NicolasRaimo No, it doesn't. Air to air can be switched on when needed at any period during the day. Air to water has to left on for a much longer period of time running at a lower constant temperature. It is also likely that the new Daikin multi split system including a driven hot water tank in the system would also qualify for the Govt's grant of £7500 since this would be able to replace a gas boiler AND gas-heated tank. The reason why the grant was not allowed previously was because the hot water tank could not be heated by the heat pump. The grant had to have all gas heated appliances including the tank being replaced by heat pump. The fact that air to air also provides cooling is irrelevant for getting the grant. This cooling effect is not mentioned anywhere in the Govt's documentation.
I don't think any air to water HP's do cooling - would not work very well even if possible. You need air to air HP for switchable heating/cooling - but no grants for a2a. Lots of people don't want you to have a Cosy6 because they don't like it. I guess you should have had a national referendum before you installed it just to make sure.
All of them can do cooling, otherwise they wouldn't be able to defrost. Some require a dongle to unlock the functionality. Ideally for it to cool well, you want underfloor heating (properly done for cooling as well), and or what's called fan coils (similar to indoor AC units but run off water). And to do those properly you need 4 pipes to each instead of the traditional 2. Some can work with a 2 pipe system, but you lose some benefits - e.g. proper dehumidification. I believe Urban Plumbers did an A2W install that had a heat exchanger in the loft to provide cooling through the ventilation system.
@@NicolasRaimo In the "OFGEM BUS property guidance" the word "cool" does not appear, however this is the relevant part which rules out things like mini-splits: Air source heat pumps (ASHPs) 1.7. ASHP systems must be hydronic (air-to-water) to be eligible under BUS. 6 Air-to-air systems are not eligible. In the "OFGEM BUS installer guidance" it is a bit more specific that it can only be used for heating though: 3.71. ASHPs must generate heat using a thermodynamic cycle by transferring energy stored in the form of heat in the ambient air outside a property and use that energy to heat a liquid Hopefully this answers the question (I looked as I wanted a mini-split system myself, so I could use Solar in summer for cooling)
The car parked there, like other cars, is a lot uglier than the heat pump. I would far rather look out of my window and see any heat pump than the inevitable parked cars.
Think about it, every home is going to need one. Ergo every home you want to buy without one, you will need to budget that in to retrofit. Fit one well and have it working well - big plus point for any purchasers.
It's not beautiful, but it might grow on me. Presumably you can replace Constantine with a pumpkin just for the end of the month. He's quite pink and not massively grown up looking. Sorry Constantine!
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Hi Nicolas. You shouldn't need to justify your choice to anyone. You make some valid points but many of the perceived negatives are subjective.
frankly, I've yet to see an attractive gas boiler! ...all just the bog standard white fridge looking box screwed to a wall. Heatpumps are also basically a white fridge looking box but on the floor, the cosy 6 is a breath of fresh air that's a departure from the norm and has at least is a unique design. I personally like it exactly because it is different....I'm not however a fan of the pink octopus emblazoned on the front, but at least that is removable.
It can easily be made to be a feature by some artistic landscaping around it, I have seen a large pebble-shaped planter that would complement it perfectly, in fact, it looks to be made from a very similar, if not identical material.
I have applied to Octopus to have the cosy 6 installed, I placed my deposit way back in January as soon as the order book opened and had my survey done in March, then waited...and waited...and waited...and now Octopus are throwing all sorts of obstacles in the way. I have spent weeks liaising with them. The issues were the proximity of a drain cover and a failure of the MCS 020 sound assessment, both of which I disputed. They resurveyed last week and conceded the drain cover issue as the cosy 6 does not interfere with access and as I pointed out is a sealed cover so there is no possibility of ingress of propane into the drain in the unlikely event of a leak.
The remaining objection is the MCS sound level failure. Too much to go into detail here, but their calculation is flawed as the measurements that they are using for their calculation are inaccurate. I have spent some time today collating accurate measurements to submit to them along with my reworked MCS assessment, however, I cannot provide the full accurate data as I don't have the physical size of the cosy6. I have requested several times for Octopus to provide me with the tech specs and dimensional sizes of the cosy6 but they seem reluctant to do so.
As a cosy6 owner (the only one that I know of) could you possibly help me out by providing the dimensions of the unit so I can compile accurate measurements for the MCS 020 assessment? Height, width and depth. I would be very grateful for your help in getting it over the line.
I shall be following your cosy6 experience closely and, should I manage to eventually get mine installed, implement beneficial settings based upon your findings as well as contribute my experience too.
I've tried applying the code to my order but they are confused about this deal.
@@Japnut give them my name or email me via my website and I’ll help get it added for you
The heat pump was not stolen. The title is 100% clickbait.
Literary said in first seconds of video
@@NicolasRaimoAh but by then we have already clicked. 😉
I'm with @ipb1996 on this one bud, poor choice in title.
@@st200olyep, usual tactic from UA-camrs with non-interesting content.
Yep.
Marked the video down for that reason alone.
Sorry.
Honestly, I don’t understand why so many people are being immature and spiteful in the comments. This seems to happen quite a lot with renewable tech - I certainly noticed a fair amount of hate several years ago when I was driving an early EV. Why is it? Do you feel threatened? Maybe if you don’t have anything nice to say, say nothing? Would you say the same thing if you saw this guy down the pub? Anyway, fair play to the poster for putting the time and effort into such interesting and informative videos. Hopefully my (and the haters’) engagement has boosted his views!
Dust bin men try to empty it every week 😂
And dog walkers try to fill it, every day ;-)
I showed it to my wife, she said it looked like bin. I'd probably prefer the look of the normal type, but I'd still happily have one of these, although it would be fairly out of sight.
I would get a a2d2 wrapping at it.
I wonder what product designer let this go trough.
Yes I was at Sainsbury's checkout one day and pulled 2 tins of sardines out of my basket. The lad on the checkout remarked that he hated sardines, but I told him it was ok because I was buying them for me.
Commenting my neighbours might not like it is a bit like saying they don’t like the look of my car on my driveway
watched the first few seconds, not been stolen, opened an item not as described case, moved on to next video
Thanks for engagement as well as the click
@@NicolasRaimo You’re welcome always happy to help boost the numbers! Will watch it properly later to find out the actual story. Did you like the Ebay joke reference?
@@eastrenewables I watch quite a few of Nicks videos , I knew straight away he was trying to wind up some of the trolls. .. it was a bit of a Troll Bait story really ... See what I've done there 🤪
the best £14k you’ve ever spent - well done
as you say its your choice where it is and avoids planning etc, I will look forward to your (usually) detailed updates on performance over this winter. Nice house, love the brick work and neighbourhood. All the best.
The only minor comment I'd have on the position is that your wall would have the 45deg splay, is to provide a pedestrian vision splay (usually 2 meter x 2 meter but depends on the local council) and shouldn't have anything more than 600mm high (including planting) within that zone. If you are reversing out you might miss a kid for instance. So from a planning point of view you have obstructed the vision splay and highways/planners could get funny about it and tell you to remove it unless you applied for planning permission.
Question on the ‘long run’. Do you lose heat due to this? And therefore efficiency? The biggest issue for us getting a heat pump is space (London terraced house) with the heat pump itself being one aspect - end of the small garden is potentially the only place where we can be 1m from our boundary easily.
If you buy the cosy 6 heat pump, are you effectively locked into Octopus for the entirety of the pump's lifetime then? Not necessarily the worst thing ever, but have you lost a bit of freedom to chose another energy supplier?
Nope, no commitments at all
@@Lewis_Standing good to know thanks. This video seemed to suggest that the pump would be unusable elsewhere if stolen.
You don’t need to stay with octopus as a customer the app will work for cosy even if you don’t buy energy from them but when fit fitted it needs to be commission to the hub
@@RichardPrice-e8b it's sized specifically for his home, might be too small for any potential thief or purchaser of off a lorry type goods.
Looks ok mate.
Happy to stick with my planned Daikin unit as you know it's a proven brand with plenty of engineers that are familiar with the brand and you have the knowledge of parts availability 👍
Even standing right next to my Samsung heat pump, you can't hear it over next door's gas flu when their boiler kicks in.
Good thing is that it not purple like the model was on the announcement. Not sure about the slopely front as surely that will allow more rain to get in when compared to a flat fronted unit. Wonder if that cut off corner of your garden was making an allowance to store your wheelie bins or to give better visibility when pulling out in your car?
Visually from a distance I think it would look less notable without the pink high-detail central sticker, reducing the colour palette to more uniform grey like street furniture, before being gifted their own graffiti and stickers ;)
Think there is a market for a noise generator. That sounds like a heat pump running on full load. It could relocated temporary at proposed location of a new heatpump. That would confirm no problem with neighbours....or wife
It literally looks like a rubbish bin unless you are close up. It's also huge compared to "ordinary" ones, and IMO looks awful. Do Octopus sell "normal" ones?
The fact that 50% don't mind the other 50% think it looks like a cheap dustbin something to pop your rubbish in on the way past. The fact your red line oenership line is to the path is noted but a service strip and the 45 degree viability splay has been compromised a planning issue when it comes to sale if not before. Especially as you have kindly brought it to everyone attention 🙏
I was not convinced by the noise test on two counts; a) noise at ground level is probably far less that at 1 meter above ground and adjacent to the fan - which is probably the greatest source of noise. Noise should be measured in a number of locations around the unit. b) the nature of the low frequency noise that these units can produce is that, when combined with similar units, they can create beat note sound , not in the immediate vicinity but some distance away. That type of noise can be very intrusive.
I once lived in a block of flats (in another country) where everyone had heat pumps on their balconies to run the air-con. The throbbing noise was constant, but constantly changing in pitch with the wind and became intrusive - not enough consideration is being given to noise pollution and the negative impacts it can have on health and well being.
The fan so silent it was only picking up movement of air on the db where we measured was most noise level and where compressor was.
Air con units are more noisy and depending on brand can be really cheap and noisy
The bearings will make more noise at some point it's inevitable.
Our neighbour's oil fired boiler makes more noise than our heat pump ....
It's nice that's it's not white or cream colour black blends in better although The angle of the intake fan looks like it will allow too much rain to get in the unit! Would have looked & maybe better being vertical.
Your tempting faith there. Someone could put a sticker on it saying 'Free to take away'
Not happy, wasted 15 min waiting for the headline.
The video itself was good.
Don't use this kind of rubbish click bait otherwise you'll loose subscribers!
I said first 10’secounds of video “as you can see it hasn’t”
@@NicolasRaimo unfortunately I missed that between the advert that was on before.
It wasn't obvious enough, sorry.
@@NicolasRaimoby the way, our Cosy 6 install date is 3 weeks away, in our front garden, so the video title didn't exactly help our piece of mind.
As I said, the video itself is fine.
@@NicolasRaimoso why have a title suggesting it had?
@@ipb1966as I’ve had non stop comments on my video telling me it’s going to get stolen
To meet MCS requirements no cooling is allowed on an Air to Water system ergo, no MCS approval = no BUS grant. Yes it's possible to make some Air to Water HP systems operate in cooling & yes some people have had systems installed got the grant & retrospectively converted their systems to run in cooling as well as heating. However, for cooling operation you would need to install more expensive fan coil units (FCU's) instead of radiators, each one of which will require a power supply & a condensate drain to get rid of condensate water which is produced at each FCU in cooling mode (chilled water will be at circa 10-14c). FCU's also make more noise than a radiator. It would also not be efficient switching the system backwards & forwards between summer cooling & hot water modes cooling down or heating up all the pipework volume in the system after each change over. Any & all existing water pipework must be insulated & vapour sealed otherwise it will sweat in cooling mode. If you have an UFH system then chilled water under the floor is a problem if it sweats & produces condensate so, the chilled water flow temps have to be higher to prevent this which sort of defeats the object of having cooling.
If you want cooling operation for summer then you'd be better off installing a proper Air to Air Heat Pump system which can do both heating & cooling which is cheaper than an air to water system however, it will not qualify for the BUS grant. You'll also need a separate hot water heating system because most HP air con systems do not heat hot water. Some do but they are quite small capacity systems for apartments not for 3 bed house or larger. Best option is to have an air to water system for whole house heating & a separate HP air con system for specific rooms you might want cooled in the summer. Typically this tends to be bedrooms & or a living room. Either way more space is needed for additional outdoor units & more planning regulation hoops to jump through to make it possible!!
We’re in the UK not too much need for AC in the summer!
@@markbennett6658 I beg to differ. A combination of warmer summers & more airtight & highly insulated houses mean a lot of new build houses suffer from high heat build up on the upper floors come late afternoon / evening. 3 storey town houses are the worst. It's the single biggest driver of the residential AC market in the UK which is growing year on year. We have AC in our cars, in our places of work so people want it in their homes (especially bedrooms) as well. There are many cases of people on YT ripping out 1-2 year old gas boilers in new builds in favour of AC to provide whole house heating & cooling.
@@colingoode3702 fair point. My comment was slightly facetious following the last 2 disappointing summers. I’d still contend that in the main our need here is far greater for heating than cooling but I don’t doubt that the AC market will grow what with global warming and more efficient house building techniques. In the meantime opening a couple of windows for through ventilation, like we did in cars before AC will certainly help!
@@markbennett6658 I understand your line of thought & somewhat agree. I grew up with cars that did not have AC, power steering, heated rear windows, servo assisted brakes etc. However, buying a car these days (unless it's a classic) without these features is just not considered. Time moves on & for some people cooling is becoming & "must have" item for their home, especially in bedrooms so that they can get a decent night's sleep without having to open a window, which lets in bugs & external noise or having to run a noisy fan all night. Even though I worked in the HVAC industry for over 48 years I have avoided installing AC in my houses until recently when we had a conservatory built. We wanted to use it all year round & heating it from the house central heating system is not permitted (although many people do this) so I installed an air to air split heat pump which work great & is the most efficient solution. Ironically we rarely use the cooling function during the summer & just open all the windows instead. I might cave in & install AC in a few bedrooms at some point but for now I'll live with opening a window (we live on a quiet road).
Running cold water in home radiators in humid weather will result in wet dripping radiators. Not good idea.
The RHI that I had had all sorts of rules and is paid over 7 years. Yours is paid upfront and as long as you are approved you will have had it. After that they can't take money from you as they could with mine. The cooling aspect would apparently be OK with underfloor heating, but not radiators due to the condensatiion it would create.
I would put a wire fence or grill around the heat pump just to keep people away from
It without impacting its operation
You'd need to replumb your rads with pipe in at the top for cooling but then it'd be useless for heating
thank you for your vids, only trouble I can see is that some kid could stick rubbish in the fans and kill it all may need a fence?
I hadn’t appreciated that the trucking makes its way down the side of your house and quite visible, this wouldn’t be my “cup of tea”, but I guess you’ll happy with it, that’s all that counts.
I don’t particularly like the design of the Cosy 6, I don’t like the fitting of it in plain view “outside” the property, BUT, surely it’s for the owner to decide what they want. He explained his rationale on his previous videos and just because someone disagrees with him, some of the comments on here are borderline abusive.
Seems to be as many anti heat pump comments as there are anti EV on UA-cam now, where did the concept of consideration for others opinions go?
I'm sorry but the Cosy 6 does not blend in with its surroundings!
Having just had my daikin wall hung, I actually like Nick's install better, Daikin is fugly and makes my house look like a warehouse
Isn’t that at risk of being vandalised?
I would like one but at 70 it’s just too expensive for me.
My estate agent told me that solar and battery don't add value to a house.
Octopus told me to share my normal link for heat pump referrals. This seems to be odd as others on UA-cam have quoted a number like you have. I am enjoying our heat pump, installed in July. It was too early for the Cosy6.
Nick. I really don't understand all the negative comments. But i do have one gripe; the use of such blatant click-bait! 😒
My last video was so much full of negativity saying it’s going to get stolen in a week I had to make reference to it but I declared in first 5 second it hadn’t
@@NicolasRaimo 😀
I would have been more pragmatic and had Octopus fit one of their Daikin R32 units at back of house, primarily to reduce the heat loses, but secondly to keep the isolator switch out of public view.
Would hate to think what might happen should a male dog try and target the switch....
outdoor isolators are IP rated.
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This is true, however still seems very exposed in a public street.
I wouldn't get the Cosy 6 on looks. Would love a heat pump but terraced house with limited options sadly on how to make it work.
So how does this location meet the "not within 1m of a boundary" planning regulation? I've pretty much discounted the possibility of a HP because of this & other R290 refrigerant restrictions.
It's not ugly, it's just different. I think it works as a unique design. it's obviously vulnerable to damage and/or loss but I presume this has been taken into account. Personally I feel it should have been caged for H&S, theft , insurance and vandalism issues but again I don't know the area.
Wasn't keen on the clickbait title either.
I always wanted a mcdonalds bin
If you’re going for a heat pump which looks good, then surely you’d go for the Aira heat pumps
That looks like just a normal heat pump…
Is it pumping water to the house or the propane
Water
Why didn't you put the HP in your garden not in the road?
Sorry Nicholas, but when you say the Octopus blends in with the local aesthetics, I can only assume you are thinking of the local wheelie bins. It's ugly. As for adding to the value of your house, as an owner of a heat pump, I have asked several estate agents who all say it doesn't. If anything, they say prospective owners may prefer a simple gas boiler.
It blends as it looks like nothing just a box your eyes ignore it. Regarding value watch what happens over next few years as we see phase out of gas and boilers on new builds
I love Marmite, I hate that cosy. Don’t be surprised if it gets graffiti. Not from me by the way 😂 If anyone needs cooling down might form a queue. ;)
I'd rather have Air-to-Air. No radiators, and cooling in the summer.
Me too.
Costs more to buy and run
And no £7.5k grant; most UK homes have radiators as a throw back to gas and oil heating of times gone by (AKA, not many prior to 1970's in residential homes)...
When British weather got too hot (>21C) it used to be a dip in local river, pond or stream, but not now if health is to be preserved.
@@NicolasRaimo it's often cheaper to install if you need new radiators and plumbing. It doesn't cost more to run.
@@NicolasRaimo No, it doesn't. Air to air can be switched on when needed at any period during the day. Air to water has to left on for a much longer period of time running at a lower constant temperature. It is also likely that the new Daikin multi split system including a driven hot water tank in the system would also qualify for the Govt's grant of £7500 since this would be able to replace a gas boiler AND gas-heated tank. The reason why the grant was not allowed previously was because the hot water tank could not be heated by the heat pump. The grant had to have all gas heated appliances including the tank being replaced by heat pump. The fact that air to air also provides cooling is irrelevant for getting the grant. This cooling effect is not mentioned anywhere in the Govt's documentation.
I don't think any air to water HP's do cooling - would not work very well even if possible.
You need air to air HP for switchable heating/cooling - but no grants for a2a.
Lots of people don't want you to have a Cosy6 because they don't like it. I guess you should have had a national referendum before you installed it just to make sure.
All of them can do cooling, otherwise they wouldn't be able to defrost. Some require a dongle to unlock the functionality. Ideally for it to cool well, you want underfloor heating (properly done for cooling as well), and or what's called fan coils (similar to indoor AC units but run off water). And to do those properly you need 4 pipes to each instead of the traditional 2. Some can work with a 2 pipe system, but you lose some benefits - e.g. proper dehumidification. I believe Urban Plumbers did an A2W install that had a heat exchanger in the loft to provide cooling through the ventilation system.
I actually asked the BUS grant question to MCS at everything electric London and they said it can't cool to be eligible
Is it in the guidelines then? As some claim it was but isn’t anymore I should really look for my self!
Great video BTW. One of the main reasons we went for cosy is that we like look compared to standard
@NicolasRaimo the heat needs to be distrubuted using a liquid. You can get a water FCU instead of a radiator, which can cool
@@neutron6220 would need a 3 way value near tank for switching to cooking circuit
@@NicolasRaimo In the "OFGEM BUS property guidance" the word "cool" does not appear, however this is the relevant part which rules out things like mini-splits:
Air source heat pumps (ASHPs)
1.7. ASHP systems must be hydronic (air-to-water) to be eligible under BUS.
6 Air-to-air systems are not eligible.
In the "OFGEM BUS installer guidance" it is a bit more specific that it can only be used for heating though:
3.71. ASHPs must generate heat using a thermodynamic cycle by transferring energy stored
in the form of heat in the ambient air outside a property and use that energy to heat a liquid
Hopefully this answers the question (I looked as I wanted a mini-split system myself, so I could use Solar in summer for cooling)
Does the unit get hot? Could you wrap it like a car to change it's appearance?
It's a heat pump, it gets cold.
The car parked there, like other cars, is a lot uglier than the heat pump. I would far rather look out of my window and see any heat pump than the inevitable parked cars.
Extend your wall and keep it the other side.
Octopus quoted me £7k after the grant to install one. Way too much
Think about it, every home is going to need one. Ergo every home you want to buy without one, you will need to budget that in to retrofit.
Fit one well and have it working well - big plus point for any purchasers.
Maybe you don't have an EPC? Get one and obtain another quote.
@@Lewis_Standing yeah all well and good if I’m thinking of moving. But I’m not planning on leaving where I live anytime soon
It's not beautiful, but it might grow on me.
Presumably you can replace Constantine with a pumpkin just for the end of the month. He's quite pink and not massively grown up looking. Sorry Constantine!
Clickbait! 🙄🙄
lol 😂 no loss !!
It looks different and expensive, it will get nicked again. Its differant ot looks good it looks like its worth sonething.
it looks odd, i think it looks like a litter bin . style is a very personal thing so who cares really :-)
So you lied then
Wish cosy 8, 10 etc was about
10 is now!
Serious? I chatted to them last week and they didn't mention it.good info!
@@tonyfeasby1437 recently announced
Clickbait
People are so easily triggered.
Ffs clickbait
Once the local travellers are aware that there is something that is worth more than a Euro you will have an empty space…and a cold house!