The Ultimate Selmer Supreme Showdown - Gold Plated Vs. Solid Silver
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2024
- We've got something truly rare and remarkable for you: a gold-plated & Solid Silver Selmer Supreme saxophone, fresh in stock. Join Jim as he eagerly pits these extraordinary instruments against a "standard" dark gold lacquer model.
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⏰Timestamps ⏰
0:00 Intro
1:15 The Design
4:03 Quiet Playing
6:52 Loud Playing
9:54 Conclusion
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Jim here. In many ways this doesn't surpise me, but listing back to the clips through my computer, back to back, they don't sound a whole lot different from each other, but you can still hear it! However, it is SO much more apparent when you play them, and for those around you at the time - so again it comes down the busines of how it feels to the player, which of course counts for a lot; Feel versus real. And of course, the way something feels can then in turn affect the way you play. I'll be interested to see everyone's thoughts on this!
Super interesting. When I win the lottery, I’ll fly over to London and try them myself. LOL
Great review. I would love to see the antique lacquered alto Supreme in a video as well.
Thinks 5 times before buying discounted instruments from them. I bought a sax from their store a few weeks ago and in the store I was told that this sax was carefully checked a few days back. I was happy to hear that (I couldn´t check the sound because I had more that 5 years of break from playing saxophone)
When I started to practice I started to notice lots of thing that brought me to the local technician who inspected the licks and told that it is a factory work and he demostrated me a few huge licks as the unflat tone whole of C note and a few pads on the lower register. That took him 3 minutes to find those lick. Carrently my sax is in the workishop waiting its turn for repair and I have no idea how much it will coast me.
Thanks for an amazing experience sax uk
I definitely heard the differences you described, albiet from my computer speakers. I had the dark gold lacquered Supreme for about a year and just traded it in for a silver plater - even with that silver plating the differences were incredible. Yes, differences are always small and does it justify the price? Maybe not. But hey, it sure makes it a real fun to play. With the video, I like the richness in the gold plated, but its the roundness and smoothness of the solid silver that wins me over!
Can you explain the difference with the silver plated vs the dark gold lacquer? I tried a vintage matte Supreme alto at Kesslers a few years ago and felt it was a little too spread for my taste coming from a long bow Mark VI alto 88xxx that had more resistance. Another UA-camr posted a video of him playing a silver plated Supreme and it felt more rich and brighter. Thanks
Interesting to hear. Yes, smooth is a good way to describe solid silver.
Solid Silver. Ohhhh myyyy. Gorgeous. All sound superb but the Silver has that thing ❤
Plating generally brightens the sound, for a darker/ rounder sound lacquer is the way to go....I prefer the latter....
I knew there would be a slight tonal difference but this surprised me. To my ear the solid silver model was brighter at your softer playing demo. I really liked that aspect of the silver alto. The gold plated instrument was buttery smooth yet very dynamic, hitting brilliant high notes and soft, colorful and smooth low notes., It was the star of the show. I own the standard Selmer gold lacquer Supreme so it sounded like my horn although your skill is much more advanced that mine.
Overall for me too I felt the gold plated sax was the star of the show! Thanks for the thoughts.
This is so cool!!
Your gold sound is best to me ported through my HTR system. I've had a brass lacquer Supreme for three years and I'm happy with my sound which I think is different from the sound you get from the brass lacquer in this clip. I wondered about your reed. Nevertheless, the delightful difference you get with the gold leaves me wanting one - some day, maybe, if only. I'd be grateful to hear you play the brass lacquer horn with the gold plated neck ... 🙂
Thank you! And of course we all get a different sound from each other as the player is the biggest variable in the equation, followed by the reed, mouthpiece (plus lig) and finally the sax! Reed-wise, I used my usual choice of D'addario Select Jazz 3S filed. With a Meyer 6M.
Thanks for the great video, as ever. There are definitely subtle differences to the horns this end but not sure they couldn't be achieved with a different mouthpiece or neck on the 'cheaper' supreme. So much of it is about how it feels when playing, but it would take a lot of inspiration to part with that much extra cash or even to pay that much for the regular model. A good mark VI feels like a much better investment, which at these prices is what the horn is. I have a pristine VI but leave it at home for most things and take out my Yami 62 or Atelier unless the environment is super controlled and safe! That said, compared to flutes you could say elite saxophones are relatively good value!
Very cool demo indeed.
In all honesty - I felt the cheap ( lol ) lacquered one sounded best in my phones.
I thought the Solid Silver one inspired more soulful playing. Almost as though it required more effort and input - and therefore rewarded the performance accordingly.
The gold was obviously very good, but to my ears sounded a little moany. I preferred listening to the other 2. But we're splitting hairs here - they all sound incredible.
Thanks!
It’s insane that the plating alone can drastically impact the price of a Selmer Supreme. When I looked at the black lacquer version, it’s nowhere near the price of $25k USD.
Jim, HELP!!! Please advise re: Yanagisawa BWO10 and BWO20. I play mostly Latin and hard bop, no classical. I use a Durga on my VI tenor. With closed eyes, what would YOU personally hear and FEEL comparing the brass and bronze? How does the ribbed construction alter the resonance and resistance? Also, does DHL deliver to my door in California, USA?
Going off topic from the above video for the moment, I'll give you my thoughts! I find that bronze offers more tonal contrast from quiet through to loud. At the soft end, the sound is warm and broad, and when you push it the sound opens up more and has more punch and power. Brass is more homogenous. The ribbed contraction on these upper models gives a tiny bit more weight to the actual instrument, and in turn a little more room for top end projection when really pushed. And yes, DHL will deliver to your door in California! Jim
I could hear the differences like you said. To me playing this through monitor speakers, it sounds like the Gold Lacquer is mellower than the other two. The silver plated does sound like it has more breadth and maybe a bit thinner slightly more brighter sounding than the gold plated?
When will you ever be doing a soprano saxophone companion. Selmer series iii vs Yamaha 875 soprano vs Yanagisawa Soprano vs Julius Keilwerth sx90 soprano. We need such comparison
Great suggestion. I'll add this to the list of future videos!
Do that bari in the background some time
Also these altos look and sound great
Get a used YAS 62 and drop '0' digit from the price tag 😅 Thanks for this play test - very cool that you were able to have all 3 in the same place! They sounded very similar to me. My .02 - if you think it'll make you practice more, buy one! Thats the best reason to get a new instrument :)
The gold lacquer had a darker tone at both dynamic levels. Comes down to subjective preferences... and budget, of course. 👂💰
Very very interesting comparison. We all hear the same thing differently, so conclusions are VERY subjective. In the soft round I preferred 2,3,1 or even 3,2,1. The standard supreme is a nice compromise of the other two. But in the fuller round the gold-plated was my favorite sound so rich and thick of tone. The silver had an edge I didn’t care for, I would tire over time of that sound. And again, the 3rd choice is such an excellent compromise of what the other two do that anyone who played one would be well served, and so would its listener.
All good points
I have a selmer signature. So, I just want to ask, which is better in your opinion: signature or supreme?
Neither is better, just different! So it's a matter of preference beyond that. I actually have a slight preference for Signature when it comes to alto. Tenor, maybe Supreme! Thanks, Jim.
The Silver one is missing some frequencies..It s like a 2D image..gold plated have the 3D, beautiful sound! Regular brass it's maybe too dark for the alto sound concept i imagine..An alto should be like "lady sings..or screams".
Recon not even the Gold selmer will make me sound like Jim😂😂
Is Selmer making these in a bare brass/unlaquered model?
Not at the current time.
Oooh!!
Demonstrating a jazz style with the three instruments is what most people are interested in, however, most of my playing is not a jazz style. I’d love to hear demonstration of orchestral excerpts and excerpts from solo recital literature. I play a Series III Jubilee alto that is silver plated and really like the tonal differences from my lacquered instruments. I bought a silver plated Yamaha 875 EX tenor sax last year and really like the sound when playing non-jazz music. I tried a lacquered Selmer supreme tenor last summer and compared side-by-side with my silver Yamaha. I like both horns, but couldn’t really justify the extra $4000 for the Selmer.
Gold laquer is the most balanced. Huge difference betwen these three Supremes...
They sounded the same hearing it here. Maybe you could feel it.
Beautiful. But, until I win the lottery ........
I am interested to High Pitch alto sexophone instrument
How much to instrument alto saxophone price.. Reply me
They sounded pretty much the same. They vary just as much as any other sax of the same make and model with the same finish.
I liked, unfortunately, the gold plated. But I'm a lousy player, and it would be all lost on me.
I wouldn't even be capable of caring for something that expense.
Oh well.
Feel less inclined to give any money to a company that's going to charge so much for a horn lol.
If Tim McCallister isn’t playing a gold plated or solid silver Supreme, then there is no point in Selmer even making them.
Why the solid has gold lac………
I would guess to prevent tarnish. I believe Yani does a clear coat for that purpose.
A prata em contato direto com oxigênio fica escura, praticamente preta, em pouco tempo e a laca ou verniz é pra evitar isso.
But it’s interesting
Brass sax with gold plate
Solid silver sax with gold lacquer
So …did the materials make different .
Or….people who buy the solid silver sax and just has the same effect like normal lacquer……
Sorry Maybe I didn't express myself well
Es ist richtig schade, dass Firmen wie Selmer solche horrenden Summen für die Saxophone verlangen! Sie sollen sich schämen!
I used to think the Supreme was greatly overpriced...but have you checked out flute prices? If I could afford a supreme I would go with the solid silver.