A real significant price difference though. The civic is a tier above in both price and features/ performance. 47-55k for a civic is absurdly steep. The previous gen Type R used to be around that 55k mark just 2 years ago... Imagine paying Type r money for a hybrid.
One great thing about this car that sets it apart: with rear seats down I transported a new 64 inch TV in its box from one side of Sydney to the other. No other 'small' hatchbacks on the market (that I know of) in Aus can do this. Its also pure joy to drive - the steering and handling are exceptional and the hybrid system provides rapid and strong acceleration. Love it.
Great looks, great interior, great comfort, great space, great ride and handling, great comfort, great economy, good performance. Yes, it is on the more expensive side and some of these elements are subjective, but as far as I am concerned the value is there. Its competitors include the low end Audis and Beemers, not just the likes of Hyundai and Toyota. I’ve put my money where my mouth is - looking forward to it arriving.
For info - this Hybrid e-cvt Civic has no gearbox. The ICE sometimes drives the wheels through a single gear roughly equivalent to an overdrive 6th gear in a manual or it is driven by one of the electric motors with the ICE powering the second electrical motor as a generator. What sounds like gear changes is the motor simulating gear changes by revving up and down whilst charging the battery or providing electricity to the drive motor via the generator. Makes it sound and feel like there is a gearbox but there isn’t.
Civic e:hev is the best car in its class. It has won all the tests, whether against Japanese, German or French cars. Here in Europe this costs the same as a 2.0 hybrid Corolla. So for the same money you can get something better, i.e. a really good purchase. I can understand that someone wants cheaper, but for example the 1.8 hybrid Corolla is pretty terrible, like the European competitors with a gearbox and a small turbo engine. Linear Shift Control is great! Civic e:hev elegance, €39,000.
Evidently Honda no longer do a poverty pack Civic, so we need to compare this to something like the VTi-L from 10 years ago, which was approx $35K drive away. $35K drive away 10 year ago is equivalent to approx $44K today (thanks to devaluation of AUD). One could say the current model is a little more expensive than it should be. I’ve used the RBA inflation calculator if anyone cares 😂.
$55,000 drive away? I have just done a conversion in Sterling and here (UK) the Honda Civic ehev costs wait for it $75,000 so you don't know how good you have it there, in Ireland it's even dearer nearer $90,000!
It makes sense if you say they are not going for volumetric sales as a target but for profit instead. Makes sense as it is business... So profit is King! I own a 2nd hand Honda Crv in New Zealand and similar to Aust, Honda is way overpriced as new cars here. Yes, they have streamlined their line ups as a whole, with less choices but better than standard quality in materials like interiors and look etc. But as new it can't justify itself from a 'good value' point of view. Yes, It is better than standard but not good enough to be luxury, though charging premium price. 2nd hand though and i find it way more competitive as you basically get better quality than usual over other brand's standard grade at a more affordable pricing. But yes, unless you are a honda fan, not many will really consider the brand,. They will go for the Koreans, the Chinese and other Euro brand, which is a shame cos honda cars are reliable and overall good quality. Great stuff love your reviews. Genuine honest reviews but more variety in presentations than other channels.
I think they should have a cheaper model hybrid without leather seats and without the sunroof at 45k that would be good. Also I’d really like a 360 camera why wouldn’t Honda include that? Especially considering they made this civic so long!
I hear you on the lower spec hybrid but they aren’t chasing Corolla sales volume so I wouldn’t expect that. Yeah, the camera thing is a doozy, and the base car doesn’t even get parking sensors 🤯
Interesting sounding tech from what heard and read the engine acts as a range extender for the battery, most of the drive is done via battery and electric motors unless at highway speed then its direct drive. Interesting solution one major draw back i can think of is. If battery dead from old age your stranded.
55k is an altogether different category. it opens more bigger, better, more powerful options & even pre-owned ones; could be dead on arrival like it was in India.
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. HA is now like the small child sticking its fingers in its ears so it can't hear something it doesn't like.
They aren’t chasing sales. They’re chasing profit. That’s the big difference with Honda Australia under the current management. What’s the point of selling heaps of cars if you’re not benefitting from that other having the ability to boast about sales numbers? Scale is important. Sales are too.
I'd have to agree with the idea that HA is chasing profit. The flaw in that argument is that you need to sell cars to generate that profit. Yes, sales at a too cheap price don't result in profit but you must sell something if you're going to get a profit. Few sales at a higher price than have been realised to date generate minimal profit. HA needs a hefty dose of reality.
It’s not great. But it’s a practical daily safe hatch. Not a sporty car. That’s where wrx would come in. So I don’t think most buyers in this class care too much about performance.
@@therightcarTherein lies a difference between genuine enthusiasts like you and we mugs who have to pony up the cash. Adequate performance is good enough for us. It won't be good enough for aficionados but most of us don't care as much about that.
Why is this thing a hatchback? Its a bit too large for one and tell me if im wrong but it more resembles a liftback than a hatchback. With that said my only issue with the boot is that its too narrow for something so big and could do with a split level to get more hieight but I beleive thats where the battery is kept. This could have gotten a spare, the cavity is there, just seems mean.
Semantics when it comes the lift- or hatch-back. Same thing but different interpretations, surely. Yeah a shame on the spare. Man, a wagon of this would be perfect, right???
@@therightcarheh, I get you re:semantics. An wagon civic was kind of done before with the Honda Fit(Jazz) where they stretched the hell out of it and called it the Fit Shuttle(wasnt sold in Australia) , it looked quite good and was very practical with a big usable boot. A stretched Civic though especially with that sloping roof line would look weird, practical but weird.
Tyre repair kit?, cmon, how many people are really going to stuff around with that on the side of the road, go the Kia, drives well and better warranty.
I live in the US and this hybrid is coming Stateside this year but why's this car so expensive in the UK? From GBP to USD, it has a starter price of $44K. AUD to USD is $37K. Wow.
At 71, I am really not interested in a sunroof. They take away headroom. I'm 185 cm but long in the body. I regret that all the gizmos that manufacturers have to include push the price up so far. Having been interested in the original Civic, I haven't been impressed with the ride up market. I do like your reviews.
Built-in satnav is the only legal option for a P plater in NSW. This is pretty stupid but I think it comes down to enforcing no phone while driving rule
@@therightcar why do we treat P plate driver like an L plate driver when it comes to technology? I think all the bonking is more distracting than Google Maps on a screen.
Honda's trying to price themselves up market when they're not. If you don't look at the price, it's a good car. Then you discover the price and go "hell no".
Yep, a shame. If the base car was $39,000 and the hybrid $46,000, they would sell a lot more. For those who aren’t as fussed on price, though, it is bloody good.
It’s nice to see Honda producing quality cars again but they’ve destroyed their sales potential by over-pricing the whole model range of their Civic. The design is beautiful, but the Civic’s deficiencies are simple and obvious. The lack of an electric boot and absence of a spare for the money paid seems miserable.The interior is lovely, but USB A is another deficiency when USB C is the modern standard. If I were in the market I’d choose your top alternative, the Skoda instead of the Civic. Thanks for a complete and honest review as always, yours is the car review channel I trust above all others.
Thanks Greg! That’s a very nice compliment and I’m happy you’re enjoying what I’m doing. Yes, it’s over the top of mainstream rivals but Honda Aus has made it clear that profits, not sales tallies, are what is important for the business. Interesting, but I still reckon a $36k-$39k Civic would make a dent in some rivals.
@@Raturidesagain For those that want it I’m sure they’ll buy and enjoy it. My Tesla Model 3 Long Range does 0-100k in 4.4 seconds and hugs the road with a low centre of gravity.
@@Raturidesagain Thanks. I charge off solar at home, so nil cost for local travel. The car has over 600km range. Worth you looking at an EV in due course, there’s an increasingly wide range of choices for different budgets.
Toyota hybrids are much better value for money ,the Corolla ZR sedan is much cheaper and fully equipped The Camry hybrid SL is a similar price but much more car No wonder there is a 16 month wait for the Corolla and a 24 month wait for the Camry
$55k and still without standard features seen on much cheaper vehicles. No powered tailgate, no HUD, no ventilated front seats, nor heated rear seats, no spare tire, no surround parking camera and only 5 yr warranty. I'd go the Haval H6 GT without a second thought.
I disagree that they’re a dying brand. I think they were close to getting it wrong here for a while, and a dealer backlash about pricing and contracts didn’t help. But they aren’t aiming to be a volume car brand nowadays so they are prioritising profits. And that makes sense. I think they are better than most rivals. Not as good as their asking prices suggest in most instances, but still impressive. They’re on to a winner with CR-V, ZR-V, HR-V. More SUVs wouldn’t hurt.
It makes sense if you say they are not going for volumetric sales as a target but for profit instead. Makes sense as it is business... So profit is King! I own a 2nd hand Honda Crv in New Zealand and similar to Aust, Honda is way overpriced as new cars here. Yes, they have streamlined their line ups as a whole, with less choices but better than standard quality in materials like interiors and look etc. But as new it can't justify itself from a 'good value' point of view. Yes, It is better than standard but not good enough to be luxury, though charging premium price. 2nd hand though and i find it way more competitive as you basically get better quality than usual over other brand's standard grade at a more affordable pricing. But yes, unless you are a honda fan, not many will really consider the brand,. They will go for the Koreans, the Chinese and other Euro brand, which is a shame cos honda cars are reliable and overall good quality.
If you want 50% less power and 55% less torque and no boot/back seat or driving dynamics, go right ahead and buy a Corolla hybrid!!
Corolla is available in estate, which has advantage in boot space. It's also available with 135kw combined power engine configuration, matching Civic.
A real significant price difference though. The civic is a tier above in both price and features/ performance. 47-55k for a civic is absurdly steep.
The previous gen Type R used to be around that 55k mark just 2 years ago... Imagine paying Type r money for a hybrid.
One great thing about this car that sets it apart: with rear seats down I transported a new 64 inch TV in its box from one side of Sydney to the other. No other 'small' hatchbacks on the market (that I know of) in Aus can do this. Its also pure joy to drive - the steering and handling are exceptional and the hybrid system provides rapid and strong acceleration. Love it.
That's great. I'd suggest you might be able to do so in a Scala or a Cerato. Maybe.
@@therightcar Scala perhaps, certainly looks like generous storage but I didn't test drive it. Certato is too narrow.
Great looks, great interior, great comfort, great space, great ride and handling, great comfort, great economy, good performance. Yes, it is on the more expensive side and some of these elements are subjective, but as far as I am concerned the value is there. Its competitors include the low end Audis and Beemers, not just the likes of Hyundai and Toyota. I’ve put my money where my mouth is - looking forward to it arriving.
Great to hear, Ross. I was thinking the other day it looks pretty smart alongside a base A3 or A-Class or 1 Series….
To each his own Ross but the price is outrageous and, combined with the warranty that isn't a warranty, simply not cost effective.
Ken what is the issue with the warranty? If there is a problem I’d like to understand it before I am locked in.
For info - this Hybrid e-cvt Civic has no gearbox. The ICE sometimes drives the wheels through a single gear roughly equivalent to an overdrive 6th gear in a manual or it is driven by one of the electric motors with the ICE powering the second electrical motor as a generator. What sounds like gear changes is the motor simulating gear changes by revving up and down whilst charging the battery or providing electricity to the drive motor via the generator. Makes it sound and feel like there is a gearbox but there isn’t.
Is it a good thing may i ask?
@@watchout4717it is. It is named a CVT but not actually a CVT, like the eCVT made by Toyota
One of the best looking hatches
Agree. It’s a looker!!!
Civic e:hev is the best car in its class. It has won all the tests, whether against Japanese, German or French cars. Here in Europe this costs the same as a 2.0 hybrid Corolla. So for the same money you can get something better, i.e. a really good purchase. I can understand that someone wants cheaper, but for example the 1.8 hybrid Corolla is pretty terrible, like the European competitors with a gearbox and a small turbo engine. Linear Shift Control is great! Civic e:hev elegance, €39,000.
47k for a base model Civic is hilarious.
It’s a bit ambitious.
Evidently Honda no longer do a poverty pack Civic, so we need to compare this to something like the VTi-L from 10 years ago, which was approx $35K drive away. $35K drive away 10 year ago is equivalent to approx $44K today (thanks to devaluation of AUD). One could say the current model is a little more expensive than it should be. I’ve used the RBA inflation calculator if anyone cares 😂.
@@boskojovanovic2770no way. I bought a Civic VTI-LN in 2014 for $31,000 drive away. VTI-L was even less. Todays prices are ridiculous
Ur talking Like only Civic pumped in price. Its literally whole car market.
Hi Matt, complete and detailed review, as usual very high quality. Unfortunately for Honda, too many as-good options for much less money.
Thanks! 👍
I am yet to read a negative review about this car.
$55,000 drive away? I have just done a conversion in Sterling and here (UK) the Honda Civic ehev costs wait for it $75,000 so you don't know how good you have it there, in Ireland it's even dearer nearer $90,000!
Crikey.
It makes sense if you say they are not going for volumetric sales as a target but for profit instead. Makes sense as it is business... So profit is King!
I own a 2nd hand Honda Crv in New Zealand and similar to Aust, Honda is way overpriced as new cars here. Yes, they have streamlined their line ups as a whole, with less choices but better than standard quality in materials like interiors and look etc. But as new it can't justify itself from a 'good value' point of view. Yes, It is better than standard but not good enough to be luxury, though charging premium price.
2nd hand though and i find it way more competitive as you basically get better quality than usual over other brand's standard grade at a more affordable pricing.
But yes, unless you are a honda fan, not many will really consider the brand,. They will go for the Koreans, the Chinese and other Euro brand, which is a shame cos honda cars are reliable and overall good quality.
Great stuff love your reviews. Genuine honest reviews but more variety in presentations than other channels.
Thanks mate! Glad you’re liking the channel and what I’m putting out.
And yes, profit trumps rallies.
I think they should have a cheaper model hybrid without leather seats and without the sunroof at 45k that would be good. Also I’d really like a 360 camera why wouldn’t Honda include that? Especially considering they made this civic so long!
I hear you on the lower spec hybrid but they aren’t chasing Corolla sales volume so I wouldn’t expect that.
Yeah, the camera thing is a doozy, and the base car doesn’t even get parking sensors 🤯
The e hev doesn't have a CVT
Interesting sounding tech from what heard and read the engine acts as a range extender for the battery, most of the drive is done via battery and electric motors unless at highway speed then its direct drive. Interesting solution one major draw back i can think of is. If battery dead from old age your stranded.
almost $55K... Is Honda in the senses? I know it is a hybrid but still very very expensive with just 5 year warranty.
55k is an altogether different category. it opens more bigger, better, more powerful options & even pre-owned ones; could be dead on arrival like it was in India.
10k over priced. Honda Australia really ruined a decent car. Sales have been abysmal.
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. HA is now like the small child sticking its fingers in its ears so it can't hear something it doesn't like.
They aren’t chasing sales. They’re chasing profit. That’s the big difference with Honda Australia under the current management.
What’s the point of selling heaps of cars if you’re not benefitting from that other having the ability to boast about sales numbers?
Scale is important. Sales are too.
I'd have to agree with the idea that HA is chasing profit. The flaw in that argument is that you need to sell cars to generate that profit. Yes, sales at a too cheap price don't result in profit but you must sell something if you're going to get a profit. Few sales at a higher price than have been realised to date generate minimal profit. HA needs a hefty dose of reality.
Honda Australia is chasing extinction instead of profit. Waste of engineering effort.
Every e HEV Honda Australia has to sell has been sold - how is that abysmal? There is a long wait list - people-Le want this car
Great video, how could you miss Mazda 3?
Didn’t miss it. Don’t really rate it. But it has been a long time since I drove one. Got one soon. Will review!
Out of curiosity what was more fun to drive this or the mg4?
New Subaru Impreza
just released MY24.? Top range 2.0S for about $42k drive away and has AWD,?
Haven’t driven it yet. Hopefully soon. But that engine in the Crosstrek is pretty dismal.
It’s not great. But it’s a practical daily safe hatch. Not a sporty car. That’s where wrx would come in. So I don’t think most buyers in this class care too much about performance.
@@therightcarTherein lies a difference between genuine enthusiasts like you and we mugs who have to pony up the cash. Adequate performance is good enough for us. It won't be good enough for aficionados but most of us don't care as much about that.
Why is this thing a hatchback? Its a bit too large for one and tell me if im wrong but it more resembles a liftback than a hatchback. With that said my only issue with the boot is that its too narrow for something so big and could do with a split level to get more hieight but I beleive thats where the battery is kept. This could have gotten a spare, the cavity is there, just seems mean.
Semantics when it comes the lift- or hatch-back. Same thing but different interpretations, surely.
Yeah a shame on the spare.
Man, a wagon of this would be perfect, right???
@@therightcarheh, I get you re:semantics. An wagon civic was kind of done before with the Honda Fit(Jazz) where they stretched the hell out of it and called it the Fit Shuttle(wasnt sold in Australia) , it looked quite good and was very practical with a big usable boot. A stretched Civic though especially with that sloping roof line would look weird, practical but weird.
Tyre repair kit?, cmon, how many people are really going to stuff around with that on the side of the road, go the Kia, drives well and better warranty.
People do. I have before. But much prefer a spare!!
Can you fit a spare in the boot ?
This is a hatch that looks like a sedan ,the previous Civic sedan looked like a hatch
I live in the US and this hybrid is coming Stateside this year but why's this car so expensive in the UK? From GBP to USD, it has a starter price of $44K. AUD to USD is $37K. Wow.
Honda doesn't really care about numbers of sales because they are trying to get into the luxury category of cars and slowly they are building up to it
Discerning buyers will understand that cheapness is not the same as good value. 💪
I guess Aussie will never get the Si model with manual transmission….
the target buyers are people who makes >200k per year, simply not for middle class auzzies
At 71, I am really not interested in a sunroof. They take away headroom. I'm 185 cm but long in the body.
I regret that all the gizmos that manufacturers have to include push the price up so far.
Having been interested in the original Civic, I haven't been impressed with the ride up market.
I do like your reviews.
No gearbox period. Even though Honda says E- CVT is has no transmission.
I fell off my chair when I saw the price. I would never consider one at the asking prices.
Brilliant car with legendary Honda reliability, way overpriced. Honda seriously needs to rethink its pricing strategy.
It is a shame. Good cars with fewer buyers.
Lovely interior. However the Kia Cerato is still much better value for money.
Until you try and sell it
Built-in satnav is the only legal option for a P plater in NSW. This is pretty stupid but I think it comes down to enforcing no phone while driving rule
Yeah that’s right. Honestly, it would be safer to just rip the screen out altogether for P platers!
@@therightcar why do we treat P plate driver like an L plate driver when it comes to technology? I think all the bonking is more distracting than Google Maps on a screen.
Honda's trying to price themselves up market when they're not.
If you don't look at the price, it's a good car. Then you discover the price and go "hell no".
Yep, a shame. If the base car was $39,000 and the hybrid $46,000, they would sell a lot more. For those who aren’t as fussed on price, though, it is bloody good.
Yep, 5k less for both models sounds about right but HA has to justify shafting its previous dealers.
It’s nice to see Honda producing quality cars again but they’ve destroyed their sales potential by over-pricing the whole model range of their Civic. The design is beautiful, but the Civic’s deficiencies are simple and obvious. The lack of an electric boot and absence of a spare for the money paid seems miserable.The interior is lovely, but USB A is another deficiency when USB C is the modern standard. If I were in the market I’d choose your top alternative, the Skoda instead of the Civic. Thanks for a complete and honest review as always, yours is the car review channel I trust above all others.
Thanks Greg! That’s a very nice compliment and I’m happy you’re enjoying what I’m doing.
Yes, it’s over the top of mainstream rivals but Honda Aus has made it clear that profits, not sales tallies, are what is important for the business. Interesting, but I still reckon a $36k-$39k Civic would make a dent in some rivals.
Civic Hybrid really is a warm hatch, does 0-100k in 7s and has great driving dynamics. It’s just not comparable to a corolla.
@@Raturidesagain For those that want it I’m sure they’ll buy and enjoy it. My Tesla Model 3 Long Range does 0-100k in 4.4 seconds and hugs the road with a low centre of gravity.
@@gregturner_awod - sounds great, and cheaper when packaged FBT free. Got no home charging yet so, hybrid is interim step.
@@Raturidesagain Thanks. I charge off solar at home, so nil cost for local travel. The car has over 600km range. Worth you looking at an EV in due course, there’s an increasingly wide range of choices for different budgets.
Toyota hybrids are much better value for money ,the Corolla ZR sedan is much cheaper and fully equipped
The Camry hybrid SL is a similar price but much more car
No wonder there is a 16 month wait for the Corolla and a 24 month wait for the Camry
If you want half the power and half the torque, go for the Corolla!
If honda wants to sell cars $25000, Base model. The price of new cars is just a laugh, they make their money on after sale service.
No way will we see a $25k Honda. Never again in Australia.
@@therightcarwhat price should it be at then.
Good bye honda, Somebody needs to bring cheaper motoring to Australiia.
Someone really doesn’t know what an eCVT is or how an eCVT works…
USB A in 2024? Why? 😅
$55k and still without standard features seen on much cheaper vehicles. No powered tailgate, no HUD, no ventilated front seats, nor heated rear seats, no spare tire, no surround parking camera and only 5 yr warranty. I'd go the Haval H6 GT without a second thought.
Agreed totally, it's tooooo expensive. Other manufacturers have many features for less money.
Like the comment, do your bit for the environment. If you really want that, don't buy anything EV.
Honda Australia are absolute morons for overpricing this.
Price is what you pay, value is what you get.
Instead of buying a new Civic, buy a new Corolla and rent larger cars when needed. Or buy a Corolla and a second larger car/van.
Yeah that’s one way to do it.
That fuel economy is pitful
SMALL car!!!. These are same length as medium size SUVs eg CX5, RAV4.
Yeah that’s the categorisation.
Honda is a dying brand in Australia way overpriced. They think they are special, sorry they aren't.
I disagree that they’re a dying brand. I think they were close to getting it wrong here for a while, and a dealer backlash about pricing and contracts didn’t help.
But they aren’t aiming to be a volume car brand nowadays so they are prioritising profits. And that makes sense.
I think they are better than most rivals. Not as good as their asking prices suggest in most instances, but still impressive.
They’re on to a winner with CR-V, ZR-V, HR-V. More SUVs wouldn’t hurt.
It makes sense if you say they are not going for volumetric sales as a target but for profit instead. Makes sense as it is business... So profit is King!
I own a 2nd hand Honda Crv in New Zealand and similar to Aust, Honda is way overpriced as new cars here. Yes, they have streamlined their line ups as a whole, with less choices but better than standard quality in materials like interiors and look etc. But as new it can't justify itself from a 'good value' point of view. Yes, It is better than standard but not good enough to be luxury, though charging premium price.
2nd hand though and i find it way more competitive as you basically get better quality than usual over other brand's standard grade at a more affordable pricing.
But yes, unless you are a honda fan, not many will really consider the brand,. They will go for the Koreans, the Chinese and other Euro brand, which is a shame cos honda cars are reliable and overall good quality.
...wow took your time reviewing this car........
Yes that’s because detail and important info takes time to talk about…?
Alternative? Cant compare honda to a skoda or a kia come on......honda is Honda lifetime proven!!! 55k ill buy one
Okay mate.
I was going to watch but the price is ridiculous, cut me out.
You should still keep watching, I’m very entertaining. 🤣
at this point... for what, the same price you can get a Tesla.... LOL what the fuck.
Overpriced, buy something different for that kind of money.
I would spend 5k more and get a bmw 2 gran coupe -_-. It's a very good car that doesn't quite make sense to get.. It's just me though.
Hhhh😂
Mazda 3 Hatchback is a much better car
worst reviewer ever, all you've done is to bring up all negatives!
Worst comment ever, all you did is bring up your negative opinions!
@@therightcaryou should be doing something else 😂