Why are gambling ads allowed on TV? We don't allow cigarette ads nor cannabis ads. Gambling can, has and will ruin the lives of people. The "industry" will continue to flourish without sports promotion but gambling can, has and will injure the integrity of sports.
My issue with the Marek firing is Serevalli did this to a much bigger extent when he leaked all the kraken picks when they entered the league and faced no repercussions, and I feel like Marek adds much more to the nhl from a personality side, then Serevalli does from a reporting side
Agreed. Marek is smart guy who is engaging in an almost unique way. The 32 Thoughts podcast won't be the same about him, and if SN makes any more "Hey Burkie" animations, they certainly won't be the same without him. Serevalli doesn't do anything that Bob McKenzie didn't do better, or that Friedman himself doesn't do better.
Maybe, but Canucks fans hate Serevalli not because of that stuff but because he didn't kiss the ring and say the Canucks were the greatest team ever constructed. As a Canucks fan, I want my journalists to be impartial and if they think there are flaws in the lineup to say so. That's the only way positive change happens. When everyone admits there needs to be improvement. And why a guy from Ohio would favour a team from Alberta over a team from BC is beyond me. That's a new one. Maybe he likes their winters? West Edmonton Mall? I can't keep up with the lack of logic. The Serevalli haters would have thrown a fit if they knew a guy named Neil MacRae. He made Don Cherry look like Mother Teresa. But looking back, he was right.
My grandfather worked in media in Detroit from the 1950’s to the late 1990’s. He had a casual working relationship with Howe, Yzerman, Barry Sanders… he also interviewed Gretzky and Jordan whenever they were in town. He passed away earlier this year and was an avid listener of 32 Thoughts and was a big fan of Marek. After he passed, I reached out to the podcast to thank them and let them know that he was a huge fan. Shortly after, Jeff reached out to me personally to give his condolences and we had a half hour conversation about my grandfathers life and his work. Jeff is a very busy guy and didn’t have to do that, but he did. He’ll forever be a stand-up guy in my book. I’m excited for what he’ll do next now that he’s not confined by the shackles of Sportsnet.
Frank literally ruined the whole expansion draft, after seeing the pick list I didnt even tune into the draft. Truly destroyed the rollout of a new franchise... Marek had to have a tie into gambling is the only way I see this happening. Its flimsy at best as how many white collar criminals are at work today throughout the world in major industries and goverrnments that have done WAY worse.
This attitude is just like penalties and suspensions of players. "BUT THIS HAPPENED AND THE RESULT WAS DIFFERENT!" Yeah no crap. Inconsistency in punishment is kind of like, a given, in ANY form of life.... comparisons are useless.
It’s definitely different. Saravelli is a independent reporter while marek works for a company that works along side the NHL. The person that leaked it to saravelli is the one that would get in trouble.
Here from Las Vegas, and we thank you for not posting odds and talking about gambling as you do your daily videos. We know how much gambling ruins lives and families. So, thanks for keeping your videos on the up and up.
Jeff Marek is one of the most thoughtful and articulate journalists around. I’m confident he’ll land back on his feet and pop up again doing something better than before. Check out his interview with Dan Carlin of “Hardcore History.”
Well if this is the case, I'm glad it's just that and he didn't do something horrid. Although by the sounds of how much people were talking about how great he was/a pleasure to work with, after his dismissal, you could tell he didn't do anything that bad.
The issue is he was leaking confidential information on something that people could be wagering in real time. Regardless of his motivation, that can't happen. The fact is a rights holder has breached a confidence from the league and they would demand accountability. Jeff crossed a line. Everyone loves Jeff Marek, but he can't do that and not get fired .
@@thewickedone2676 Nah it's not that simple. Gambling is a net negative on society and the sports world. The original argument of "personality responsibility" was first rolled out by the tobacco industry to keep more people addicted to their cancer sticks. Now, the personality responsibility argument is used by the food industry and obesity continues to rise in North America. Sure, in a ideal world everybody would be responsible and not engage in unhealthy behaviors that aren't in their best interest. Unfortunately, we have never and will never live in such a world.
@@thewickedone2676 your augment shows you lack an understanding of how the mind of an addict functions. Good for you that you’ve never felt the burden of addiction if that’s the case but please dont summarize and speak to what other are experiencing when it comes to gambling addictions. It takes the piss out of the issue by assuming it’s simply an issue of self responsibility. That mind set hurts progress. I encourage you to do more research or listen to someone who’s gone through it before.
@F0rf885 See, this is where you're wrong. I have a very addictive personality and have dealt with a gambling problem, a drinking problem when I was younger, among others. Just because I wasn't responsible enough for my own choices doesn't mean that others should be denied what many use as a legitimate form of entertainment. Sure, addiction is harder for some people, but there are many avenues one can take to get help, if they want to. I'd rather that than the government making my decisions for me. You are responsible for you. It really is that simple.
Gretzky and McDavid probably dont need the money at all so to see them supporting it has long bothered me. Its also bothersome that there hasnt been a public backlash about that specifically. If you hate gambling you should absolutely hate AAA athletes endorsing it
@@maxrates Yeah because a ticket to a game is a one time event. Being addicted to gambling and having it shoved in your face can destroy a life. Truly you are a clueless NPC that does not understand community or I am my brothers keeper.
Gambling is a clear line that shouldn't be crossed, while price gouging people is less obvious moral standing as some people have more capacity to spend that amount.
@@maxrates Having seen it in my family, I don't know if there are worse things. Someone with a booze or drug problem, you can see it. Gambling, one day all the family's money is gone, the bank account drained, the house lost, and there never was any sign. Happened to a cousin. Family broke up, divorced, kids thrown out of their home, and the husband living in the streets trying to pick up any spare dime to feed his gambling fix. Real fun, eh?
@@maxratesuntil that hobby becomes an addiction.Many lives have been ruined by gambling addiction,that is why there is a Gambling Anonymous group in every big city in Canada and America.
Thanks for this video, Shannon. I don't watch games on TV anymore because of gambling ads. Going to games live, and your channel, are enough for me. Sad state of reality.
Here's the thing: 10 years ago this would be a non-issue. Marek would mayyyybe get his hand slapped for undercutting the "surprise" of the official pick announcements. But now it's a GAMBLING issue, because the NHL is in bed with GAMBLING partners, because 💰💰. And I bet Marek didn't even think about that before leaking the picks, because as media HE SHOULDN'T CARE - he should break news as he gets it, unless under strict, stated (not implied) embargo. And now it's a mess, because GAMBLING.
@@rockinmel1 he does it publicly fine however telling one person who most like was in an instant sports book or the Nevada gaming commission wouldn't be involved.
@@danmac9336 Not necessarily true. If the sports books are taking action on the draft picks, even tweeting it early could be seen as problematic by the NGC if someone with his account also has a betting app open and can make bets before the official announcements. All they need is a pattern of bets just before the announcements, it doesn't have to have been secret or to one guy.
Laughable. PHWA has very little ability to “protect” anyone. The most they can do is protest a team that has taken away media access from one of their members. That’s it.
@@CourtlandSandoverSlythank you for pointing that out. Marek was leaking confidential information and when people are wagering in real time, that is a huge no no. People love Marek but Jeff blew it . SN had their hand forced
I find it weird that Marek was fired, considering in the NBA, both Woj and Shams are leaking picks on Twitter before they are said on TV for each pick of the NBA draft (~55-60 in total)
Does feel weird considering that other media people have tweeted out the picks before they’re made, is Marek’s situation different because of the specific contract he has?
Marek leaked the picks out to an outsider. If he himself leaked the pics i.e posted on his own twitter who was getting drafted, this would probably be a non issue. The issue is that he leaked the picks to a supposed friend that wasn't with Sportsnet. So he leaked confidential insider information for a competitor (and that competitor is a friend who runs a scouting page or something). Nothing Illegal happened (I think the Nevada gambling board just did their due diligence and questioned him and found nothing.) But leaking insider Sportsnet information to a competitor has to be a breach of contract. Love Marek and sux that he is gone, but it is 100% justifiable that Sportsnet let him go. Hope he gets another gig somewhere else. Loved 32 thoughts. And as others pointed out; Frank Seravalli leaking the Seattle picks wouldn't get him in trouble; whoever leaked it to Seravalli would be the one getting in trouble if it was insider information (i.e sportsnet or ESPN)
Always enjoyed Jeff on 32 Thoughts. If a crime was committed, allegedly, a charge should be laid. If no crime, no charge. Of course, I don't know what's in his contract, but then again, don't the networks want scoops?
I’m really bummed about this. I’ve always loved listening to Marek talk in general. THG: great level-headed take as always. I love how consistent you’ve been over the years. I have so much respect for you with never taking gambling advertising $$$. I’m hoping Marek ends up with his own show on the Steve Dangle Podcast Network.
So good for you to have told us what's happening. This is the first I've heard of Marek and leaking draft picks. I had no clue why he was fired before hearing about this. I think other sports media ppl have done this to a bigger extent. There's no way that Marek, who I think is pretty good with the rules, was the first to have done this. Seems like SN is just making an example out of him.
I don't like the gambling ads .My biggest issue however is when the odds are presented as game analysis . They are not. Game odds are calculated solely as to the line where the book will win....
Sports fans have the craziest misconception of how sports odds are set. Some years back, the Giants played Denver in the Super Bowl. Anyone who ever watched a football game knew the Giants were a better team, yet the Broncos were favored. Why? because Denver fans were bigger bettors than Giants fans. They were betting on the Broncos because that was their favorite team, ignoring the obvious facts. Of course, it ended up being an easy win for the Giants. Yet fans constantly think the odds are set on which teams is better. The odds are set according to what will bring in the most money.
No, being the Nevada gaming commission was involved makes it pretty clear he leaked it to someone who placed bets on picks. The NGC isn't worried at all about "The NHL draft" viewership. Follow the money on anything like this.
Article stated that the bets on draft picked are locked down 24 hours before the round. If, as the article stated, the broadcasters get the pick just minutes before it's announced, there's no legal way to bet on that.
@@FutureZek the Nevada gaming commission didn't get involved if there wasn't very suspicious gambling activity. I promise they're not involved unless gambling is involved.
The article states that the NGC got involved because draft picks are something that CAN be bet on, not that they actually WERE in this case. The NGC also found no wrongdoing. Follow actually reading the article.
@@Scantronimus466 convince yourself all you want. No article has ever been wrong with some facts before right? It is in the article so It has to be true. Clearly you didn't hear the loud pop that comes from pulling your head out of your rectum this morning.
The gambling ads have gotten out of hand. I personally dont enjoy gambling, and i think it should be restricted to bars pubs casinos etc like it used to be. Being able to sit on your couch at home and lose potentially hundreds of dollars on your cellphone is just a recipe for disaster.
That’s a big part of it. I also think about young and impressionable people. All the families that have members who are problem gamblers know the NHL has created a new threat for them.
the reason the picks are leaked to the broadcasting team is so they can be ready for once the pick is made to do things like send interviewers to the family, etc. a really good example of this was beckett senecke’s pick, because it’s not like he was a consensus pick, so they wouldn’t have just had a camera trained on him ready to go. it gives the broadcast team a chance to prepare for the moments directly following the pick.
I could easily go back to white boards (no advertising) and only play by play (no pregame or postgame). I just want the hockey. And The Hockey Guy, because you don't put your own opinions in and you explain things well. The gambling will hopefully prove to be a bad idea. Will continue to support your channel because of videos like this. Great analysis!
The NHL lets TV et al know who's going to be picked so they can get cameras ready, videos ready, that kind of stuff. Not to put out who will get picked early so you can post it on social media. If Marek did nothing wrong he'll be fine.
I can understand the firing. The league bend over backward to give Sportsnet a lead time of probably just a couple of minutes to prepare for the next pick, and the guy waste it screwing around instead of actually preparing. Also if you thought the first round was too bloody long, that shit added half an hour at least, and you waste it texting the picks in advance to a buddy.
I think what people are forgetting about in this situation is that Marek is a TV host for the national broadcast of the NHL and those broadcasts sometimes need info given to them early to prepare for the news aka a draft pick. Meanwhile guys like saravelli, McKenzie and freidman are insiders that their entire job is around releasing info ASAP and don’t have direct connect to the league really with most of their info coming from the teams directly.
If GMs were leaking their picks to Merrick before the announcement, that should be their responsibility, not his. Merrick is doing his job as a journalist by gathering and sharing information. He shouldn't need to consider the NHL's gambling regime when doing his job. If he was leaking the information to one person only just so they can bet, that's a problem. I think the NHL needs to hold the leakers accountable if they want to continue their little gambling charade. Gambling on the draft is a flakey thing to begin with and the NHL should rethink this.
I am perhaps a minority in the world of following Jeff Marek journalism. Very much appreciate his all consuming passion for the sport of hockey. The comment a colleague once mentioned..as a young kid his mother dropped him off routinely to take in Hall of Fame memorabilia. It brought a smile to my face. That said…I often thought his take on things was kind of eccentric…and Elliotte the perfect foil. But I found it a little tedious and it obscured more straightforward conversation about the game. So for me I am not surprised something went amiss for Marek. Hopeful he finds his way back..but not to 32 Thoughts..
Worse than ads for me are the odds spouted in the middle of the game, as though it's a natural part of coverage (which didn't exist for the vast majority of the sport's existence). "That's it for our second intermission report. Up next is puck drop, and the Stars are -200 to win in regulation." They treat it like it's some form of analysis, when it's not.
Marek is a fool for leaking the info. And if you think companies like Rogers give a f**k about being loyal to longstanding employees, well, BWAAHAHAHAHAHA. As soon as the NHL said "we don't like this, get rid of him" the ink on the pink slip was dry.
Shanon is too much of a "Unicorn" to work under the umbrella of any corporate company... I love THG because Shannon uses his own creative skill - and YES the best hockey mind out there!!!
the NHL's attitude of a zero-policy on gambling and enabling it, while at the same time pushing gambling ads for revenue is so, well I want to say incoherent, but I think it is more so their priority in making money means any kind of ethical coherency is expendable.
Shannon, I can shed some light on the reasoning behind the NHL releasing draft picks a few minutes before the official announcement to broadcasters is so the broadcasters can get the cameras aimed at the pick, and get their stats and graphics ready to go, which takes time to produce. However, if I were the NHL, I'd have broadcasters like Sportsnet and ESPN under an NDA to not release it before the official announcement. Sportsnet was probably under pressure due to Marek violating their NDA to fire him, or voluntarily chose to fire him or he chose to voluntarily resign to protect themselves from being sued or having their contrast with the NHL cancelled.
I interpreted a strong connection between Marek not doing the gambling ads on his shows and the sportsbook sponsors not liking him. Pressure from sponsors onto the league and broadcasters and poof goes Marek.
I'm a recovering gambling addict (estimated $300,000 lost...blackjack) It was nobody's stupid fault but my own....don't blame Gretzky or gambling ads. People have to have more restraint. Nobody dragged me into the casino and forced me to sit at a table....ALL MY FAULT !!!! I know, you're going to say "you don't know what these kids were going thru to cause gambling problems". Are you kidding me, I came from a weekend alcoholic father, and 3 older brothers who tormented me... A person has to be strong enough to refrain from becoming a problem...simple as that. Even saying all that, I'm 66, living quite comfortably, virtually no bills,house paid for.... I just had to work harder (sometimes moonlighted) What bothers me is the annoyance and monotony of these ads....tbh, idiotic.
Allow me to state this frankly. I HATE THE WHOLE GEEDAMNED THING!! C'mon now, come lose your rear-end some money, now right from ANY device! Straight exploitation of the people's pocket. Absolutely disgusted . Love your videos. LET'S GO RED WINGS!
I think the only reason that Marek got the 3rd degree about this is because he was physically in Vegas when it happened. If he's in Nashville, or Los Angeles, or anywhere else this doesn't even become a story. But because it's in Vegas and the Nevada gaming commission gets involved because it's on their turf, Marek becomes the sacrifice that gets caught in the crosshairs. From his perspective, I could easily believe that this has been a thing that insiders would do during a typical draft and it was never thought of potentially being problematic if for no other reason that the NHL leaks information left and right seemingly about everything and nothing ever becomes of those. But, in Vegas with a gaming commission so close to anything involving gambling, and so much action taking place related to who gets drafted when, this happened.
I find it very interesting that Marek gets fired for leaking draft picks to a friend moments before the player is selected but yet nothing happens to Frank Serevelli when he leaked the entire Seattle Kraken roster before the expansion draft took place. To me that was way worse than what Marek did
If Marek did leak the picks I think he should be fired. I don't understand why he would do this. There is no legitimate reason to leak this information minutes before it is public.
I am a Spokanite saluting your Chiefs pennant hanging up! lol Anyways this one really is tough, I am happy I don't have to make the decision to either fire this guy or not I can see both arguments being valid. But if you leak the picks knowing it can lead to dismissal then don't do it and you shouldn't even trust your closest buddies who pinky promise they won't tell anyone.
Gambling is one of the existential crises the all professional sports face right now. The difference between doping, or cheating (I.E. astros) is that these are all to win. Gambling is not only in some interests of losing, but players both involved and not are invested in outcomes not wins.
Gambling of all kinds should be illegal. It manipulates and takes advantage of desperate people and makes billions of dollars for wealthy individuals. It’s gross.
Getting the Sennecke reaction came as a result of Sportnset knowing he was being picked next and could focus. They also get a heads up to load highlight video of player
You can gamble on an event that happens in real time. But the fact sites allow gambling on draft picks where dozens of team personnel may know an outcome for minutes or days before it happens is asinine and any sports book is getting what’s coming to them. Of course that’s why they limit how much you can bet on that stuff.
I absolutely support Marek, why would anyone trust the NHL? I will one hundred percent sign up for a Marek podcast or channel. Why would sources give information if it wasn't made to be public? They can protest after but that's idiotic.
If it's because he violated non-disclosure fair enough, but it seems gambling has something to do with it and that makes it sinister, because I hate gambling and those ads. I hate ads in general, but for something that people shouldn't do it rubs me the wrong way more.
Shannon, I have never to this date had a gambling problem. But a short search on the internet reveals how a person can be immediately captured by gambling . I even felt the gambling lure in Vegas recently! It was so scary as we wasted hundreds of dollars playing craps and other games . It was immediately evident to me how easy it is to get hooked I so respect how you do not promote gambling nor the bankruptcy it causes. While not a victim of gambling my parent struggled with alcohol. When I watch your competitors pushing Vodka sweet drinks with lemonade and now the latest video I saw was a hockey player pushing a new whiskey called JRNY If you watch these alcohol pushers it seems to me they are already hooked on pink Whitney or JRNY I mean the pushers themselves are getting trapped in alcohol So happy you do not push this
I always enjoyed Marek's take on the NHL but he made a terrible mistake leaking information he had to know was not to be leaked. Based on that he had to go! He will be missed and hopefully will land on his feet but it doesn't change what he done.
The NHL was clearly providing Sportsnet the picks ahead of time, because they were broadcasting the draft. SportsNet would need to know the picks ahead of time so they can have the names and stats show up as they're being announced, plus have the camera on the player as the pick is being announced. From there, the NHL and Sportsnet more than likely have an agreement saying that the information the NHL is giving them cannot be released until the pick is officially announced. Jeff provided those details before they were announced, and the NHL wasn't happy. Sportsnet knows that they were in the wrong, they know that they can't fight this, so they did the most obvious choice, which was to release Jeff. Now they can go back to the NHL, apologize and say it'll never happen again, we got rid of the leak.
2:12: Marek can't say anything. The article says there was a non disclosure clause in his exit agreement. "Multiple sources said Marek signed a confidentiality agreement prior to exiting the company". I suspect he also signed a pledge not to seek any litigation against Sportsnet and in exchange for both, he got paid some money to leave quietly.
I have not encouraged my kids to get into watching hockey games because of the non-stop gambling ads My 9 year old son did not need to be told that understanding what offside was qualifies him to gamble on sports
I don't think it was strictly leaking picks... the NGC wouldn't get involved just for that. Someone had to have been making bets on the picks. And that's much more serious.
11:30 - They also kinda snubbed him on his radio show. Hinting he'd be back then never mentioned it again Also 32 thoughts didnt really finish their year/season out. It was an atypical last episode with only a few minutes of Elliott speaking on the draft Interestingly he started out by saying how valueable Jeff was.
My whole feeling about this is that betting and gambling should stop being something put so hard on the forefront of the game. The NHL should dissociate itself from that and make it an entirely separate thing. Then, gamblers can do whatever they like outside of it, and clear rules can appear at the NHL level against gambling.
Yeah, idk the rules of his contract, but I'm not surprised an insider was getting VERY inside information. I know people got mad at Seravalli for tweeting out every draft pick, but to me, that's what insiders do. It's not just about breaking trades and signings, it's getting those kinds of leaks, too.
Remember when Wiki Leaks was first in the news on a regular basis? At the same time, Ricky Weeks was making a name for himself for the Milwaukee Brewers. It was all rather confusing.
The Gm, owner, scout, team president who is the leak ( not Marek ) needs to stand up and take responsibility for their actions. Hope they are at least paying Marek well for taking the fall for someone else’s actions.
Why are gambling ads allowed on TV? We don't allow cigarette ads nor cannabis ads. Gambling can, has and will ruin the lives of people. The "industry" will continue to flourish without sports promotion but gambling can, has and will injure the integrity of sports.
because laws haven't caught up with them.
Because the government moves at the speed of government.
Gambling can make watching a sport more entertaining
But we have alcohol adds n booze I would "bet" has ruined more people's n family life's plus cost society a lot more problems than gambling has.
@@maxrates Shut up Crypto boy.
My issue with the Marek firing is Serevalli did this to a much bigger extent when he leaked all the kraken picks when they entered the league and faced no repercussions, and I feel like Marek adds much more to the nhl from a personality side, then Serevalli does from a reporting side
That's where I'm at with the situation as well .
Agreed. Marek is smart guy who is engaging in an almost unique way. The 32 Thoughts podcast won't be the same about him, and if SN makes any more "Hey Burkie" animations, they certainly won't be the same without him. Serevalli doesn't do anything that Bob McKenzie didn't do better, or that Friedman himself doesn't do better.
The Nevada gaming commission is involved whomever he leaked that too placed insider trading bets is the only explanation
@@danmac9336 good point
Maybe, but Canucks fans hate Serevalli not because of that stuff but because he didn't kiss the ring and say the Canucks were the greatest team ever constructed. As a Canucks fan, I want my journalists to be impartial and if they think there are flaws in the lineup to say so. That's the only way positive change happens. When everyone admits there needs to be improvement. And why a guy from Ohio would favour a team from Alberta over a team from BC is beyond me. That's a new one. Maybe he likes their winters? West Edmonton Mall? I can't keep up with the lack of logic. The Serevalli haters would have thrown a fit if they knew a guy named Neil MacRae. He made Don Cherry look like Mother Teresa. But looking back, he was right.
I would do pretty much about anything just to not see a gambling ad for the rest of my life. Im not even an addict. Its just annoying
I hear you.
My grandfather worked in media in Detroit from the 1950’s to the late 1990’s. He had a casual working relationship with Howe, Yzerman, Barry Sanders… he also interviewed Gretzky and Jordan whenever they were in town.
He passed away earlier this year and was an avid listener of 32 Thoughts and was a big fan of Marek. After he passed, I reached out to the podcast to thank them and let them know that he was a huge fan. Shortly after, Jeff reached out to me personally to give his condolences and we had a half hour conversation about my grandfathers life and his work.
Jeff is a very busy guy and didn’t have to do that, but he did. He’ll forever be a stand-up guy in my book. I’m excited for what he’ll do next now that he’s not confined by the shackles of Sportsnet.
Meanwhile Frank Serevelli leaked the entire Kraken expansion draft the night before and nothing happened
Frank literally ruined the whole expansion draft, after seeing the pick list I didnt even tune into the draft. Truly destroyed the rollout of a new franchise... Marek had to have a tie into gambling is the only way I see this happening. Its flimsy at best as how many white collar criminals are at work today throughout the world in major industries and goverrnments that have done WAY worse.
This attitude is just like penalties and suspensions of players. "BUT THIS HAPPENED AND THE RESULT WAS DIFFERENT!" Yeah no crap. Inconsistency in punishment is kind of like, a given, in ANY form of life.... comparisons are useless.
Frank is a hack BS reporter.
Maybe it's different but what happened at the Kraken draft I felt was worse and it seemed like nobody cared that the full draft was leaked
It’s definitely different. Saravelli is a independent reporter while marek works for a company that works along side the NHL. The person that leaked it to saravelli is the one that would get in trouble.
Difference is for the Kraken, Seravalli was reporting based off sources, here Marek was the source
Maybe it’s not the first time Marek has been warned about doing this.
Here from Las Vegas, and we thank you for not posting odds and talking about gambling as you do your daily videos. We know how much gambling ruins lives and families. So, thanks for keeping your videos on the up and up.
Jeff Marek is one of the most thoughtful and articulate journalists around. I’m confident he’ll land back on his feet and pop up again doing something better than before. Check out his interview with Dan Carlin of “Hardcore History.”
If he's doing that then he has more th
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He should be somewhere, but he blew it on that day
Guy has been the clown next to Friedman for long enough. Thoughtful? Was he thinking when he leaked draft picks before they're made?
Well if this is the case, I'm glad it's just that and he didn't do something horrid. Although by the sounds of how much people were talking about how great he was/a pleasure to work with, after his dismissal, you could tell he didn't do anything that bad.
The issue is he was leaking confidential information on something that people could be wagering in real time. Regardless of his motivation, that can't happen. The fact is a rights holder has breached a confidence from the league and they would demand accountability. Jeff crossed a line. Everyone loves Jeff Marek, but he can't do that and not get fired .
Gambling is a cancer to this world. Sports gambling needs to go.
@@TheDetonation if you dont like gambling, don't gamble. The lack of personal responsibility these days is astounding.
@@thewickedone2676 Nah it's not that simple. Gambling is a net negative on society and the sports world. The original argument of "personality responsibility" was first rolled out by the tobacco industry to keep more people addicted to their cancer sticks. Now, the personality responsibility argument is used by the food industry and obesity continues to rise in North America. Sure, in a ideal world everybody would be responsible and not engage in unhealthy behaviors that aren't in their best interest. Unfortunately, we have never and will never live in such a world.
@@thewickedone2676 your augment shows you lack an understanding of how the mind of an addict functions. Good for you that you’ve never felt the burden of addiction if that’s the case but please dont summarize and speak to what other are experiencing when it comes to gambling addictions. It takes the piss out of the issue by assuming it’s simply an issue of self responsibility. That mind set hurts progress. I encourage you to do more research or listen to someone who’s gone through it before.
@F0rf885 See, this is where you're wrong. I have a very addictive personality and have dealt with a gambling problem, a drinking problem when I was younger, among others. Just because I wasn't responsible enough for my own choices doesn't mean that others should be denied what many use as a legitimate form of entertainment. Sure, addiction is harder for some people, but there are many avenues one can take to get help, if they want to. I'd rather that than the government making my decisions for me. You are responsible for you. It really is that simple.
Sports gambling ads/segments kill my enjoyment of sports whenever they're shoved in our faces. Absolutely disgusting.
It really has gone completely over the top.
The insane ticket prices, parking, concessions you don't mind, but gambling is where you draw the line? 👍
Gretzky and McDavid probably dont need the money at all so to see them supporting it has long bothered me. Its also bothersome that there hasnt been a public backlash about that specifically. If you hate gambling you should absolutely hate AAA athletes endorsing it
@@maxrates Yeah because a ticket to a game is a one time event. Being addicted to gambling and having it shoved in your face can destroy a life. Truly you are a clueless NPC that does not understand community or I am my brothers keeper.
Gambling is a clear line that shouldn't be crossed, while price gouging people is less obvious moral standing as some people have more capacity to spend that amount.
Solid analysis Shannon. Really well thought out and said.
Jeff can start a youtube channel and take SN viewers with him.
I watch it. Go for it Jeff
Wouldn't be surprised if he joins the SDPN crew.
Gambling is a scourge on society.
F..k gambling.
For some it's a fun hobby.
There a lot of worse things out there you know
@@maxrates crypto is far worse
@@maxrates Having seen it in my family, I don't know if there are worse things. Someone with a booze or drug problem, you can see it. Gambling, one day all the family's money is gone, the bank account drained, the house lost, and there never was any sign. Happened to a cousin. Family broke up, divorced, kids thrown out of their home, and the husband living in the streets trying to pick up any spare dime to feed his gambling fix. Real fun, eh?
@@maxratesuntil that hobby becomes an addiction.Many lives have been ruined by gambling addiction,that is why there is a Gambling Anonymous group in every big city in Canada and America.
@@maxratesI hope you get addicted, lose all your money, go into extreme debt, and your family leaves you. Shut up crypto boy.
Thanks for this video, Shannon. I don't watch games on TV anymore because of gambling ads. Going to games live, and your channel, are enough for me. Sad state of reality.
Bowman back in the NHL and now Marek gone. what an awful time for the hockey community.
@@jsalts Exactly, morals when convenient. Born in third base Bowman was a bad GM in Chicago, besides the obvious.
@jsalts Really. I'd rather have Jeff in the game than the sexual abusers and enablers.
@@jsalts don’t forget about Fanatics and their greedy hands
The Beaverton: Poll: Majority of Canadians favour making sports betting illegal again just to get rid of the fucking ads
Here's the thing: 10 years ago this would be a non-issue. Marek would mayyyybe get his hand slapped for undercutting the "surprise" of the official pick announcements. But now it's a GAMBLING issue, because the NHL is in bed with GAMBLING partners, because 💰💰. And I bet Marek didn't even think about that before leaking the picks, because as media HE SHOULDN'T CARE - he should break news as he gets it, unless under strict, stated (not implied) embargo. And now it's a mess, because GAMBLING.
@@rockinmel1 he does it publicly fine however telling one person who most like was in an instant sports book or the Nevada gaming commission wouldn't be involved.
@@danmac9336 Not necessarily true. If the sports books are taking action on the draft picks, even tweeting it early could be seen as problematic by the NGC if someone with his account also has a betting app open and can make bets before the official announcements. All they need is a pattern of bets just before the announcements, it doesn't have to have been secret or to one guy.
Frank Seravalli (who's a mere 37) is also the head of the PHWA. He has a union protecting him. Jeff Marek doesn't. Don't overthink it.
I had to look up his age, I thought he was 10-15 years older but he's the same age as me 😂😭
Seraveli didn't work for the league or an affiliate. Marek did.
Laughable. PHWA has very little ability to “protect” anyone. The most they can do is protest a team that has taken away media access from one of their members. That’s it.
@@CourtlandSandoverSlythank you for pointing that out. Marek was leaking confidential information and when people are wagering in real time, that is a huge no no.
People love Marek but Jeff blew it . SN had their hand forced
I find it weird that Marek was fired, considering in the NBA, both Woj and Shams are leaking picks on Twitter before they are said on TV for each pick of the NBA draft (~55-60 in total)
Does feel weird considering that other media people have tweeted out the picks before they’re made, is Marek’s situation different because of the specific contract he has?
Maybe because it happened in Nevada?
Sportsnet is an nhl rights holder so I’m guessing yes
Marek leaked the picks out to an outsider. If he himself leaked the pics i.e posted on his own twitter who was getting drafted, this would probably be a non issue. The issue is that he leaked the picks to a supposed friend that wasn't with Sportsnet. So he leaked confidential insider information for a competitor (and that competitor is a friend who runs a scouting page or something). Nothing Illegal happened (I think the Nevada gambling board just did their due diligence and questioned him and found nothing.) But leaking insider Sportsnet information to a competitor has to be a breach of contract. Love Marek and sux that he is gone, but it is 100% justifiable that Sportsnet let him go. Hope he gets another gig somewhere else. Loved 32 thoughts.
And as others pointed out; Frank Seravalli leaking the Seattle picks wouldn't get him in trouble; whoever leaked it to Seravalli would be the one getting in trouble if it was insider information (i.e sportsnet or ESPN)
@@crushdavis7048 solid explanation bud merci
@@menaslayer2935 has anyone of them had the Nevada gaming commission investigating? Gambling was involved.
I love that when I come to this channel I’m not buried in gambling ads.
Always enjoyed Jeff on 32 Thoughts. If a crime was committed, allegedly, a charge should be laid. If no crime, no charge. Of course, I don't know what's in his contract, but then again, don't the networks want scoops?
I'm really hoping Jeff and Elliott do their podcast together independently of Sportsnet in the future so we can still listen to it.
Lol the odds of Elliott going against the golden goose at least prior to the contract ending in 2026 are a zerlo.
Elliott’s not leaving. There’s too much you gain from being on a rights holder’s platform.
@@mrgreekgm754 makes no sense for him to leave.
Why would Friedman leave the Empire? Lol!
In their respective drafts, haven't NFL and NBA reporters been doing this for years?
Yes it happens every draft. my guess if it involved gambling then thats prolly why he got canned. he wouldnt get fired for just leaking draft picks.
Just so you know, we watch you for fun and info.
We watch Steve for the suffering.
I’m really bummed about this. I’ve always loved listening to Marek talk in general.
THG: great level-headed take as always. I love how consistent you’ve been over the years. I have so much respect for you with never taking gambling advertising $$$.
I’m hoping Marek ends up with his own show on the Steve Dangle Podcast Network.
Gambling will be the death of legitimate sports. It has possibly already died, and we're just not completely aware of how controlled it really is.
Major sports being in bed with gambling companies is such a conflict of interest.
This happens all the time in NFL/NBA drafts. Their leagues have 0 issues with it. Sportsnet is now worse without Marek contributing to it
another small example of why NHL will always be distant 4th or worse across the USA
So good for you to have told us what's happening. This is the first I've heard of Marek and leaking draft picks. I had no clue why he was fired before hearing about this. I think other sports media ppl have done this to a bigger extent. There's no way that Marek, who I think is pretty good with the rules, was the first to have done this. Seems like SN is just making an example out of him.
As a Kraken fan, Seravalli needs to go to. My grudge with him never ended, this just made me hate him more for getting away with it
You’re just pissed off your team sucks and got all the bad picks 😂
Stan bowman hiring is still worse in my eyes. Nhl cares more about betting revenue.
I don't like the gambling ads .My biggest issue however is when the odds are presented as game analysis . They are not. Game odds are calculated solely as to the line where the book will win....
Sports fans have the craziest misconception of how sports odds are set. Some years back, the Giants played Denver in the Super Bowl. Anyone who ever watched a football game knew the Giants were a better team, yet the Broncos were favored. Why? because Denver fans were bigger bettors than Giants fans. They were betting on the Broncos because that was their favorite team, ignoring the obvious facts. Of course, it ended up being an easy win for the Giants. Yet fans constantly think the odds are set on which teams is better. The odds are set according to what will bring in the most money.
As someone who’s watched a lot of both your’s and Dangle’s videos you are by far better versed in all things hockey
No, being the Nevada gaming commission was involved makes it pretty clear he leaked it to someone who placed bets on picks. The NGC isn't worried at all about "The NHL draft" viewership. Follow the money on anything like this.
Article stated that the bets on draft picked are locked down 24 hours before the round. If, as the article stated, the broadcasters get the pick just minutes before it's announced, there's no legal way to bet on that.
@@FutureZek pretty hilariously wrong take. Active & fluid markets are everywhere, including on alt markets such as say, pick #6 in the NHL draft.
@@FutureZek the Nevada gaming commission didn't get involved if there wasn't very suspicious gambling activity. I promise they're not involved unless gambling is involved.
The article states that the NGC got involved because draft picks are something that CAN be bet on, not that they actually WERE in this case. The NGC also found no wrongdoing.
Follow actually reading the article.
@@Scantronimus466 convince yourself all you want. No article has ever been wrong with some facts before right? It is in the article so It has to be true. Clearly you didn't hear the loud pop that comes from pulling your head out of your rectum this morning.
The gambling ads have gotten out of hand. I personally dont enjoy gambling, and i think it should be restricted to bars pubs casinos etc like it used to be. Being able to sit on your couch at home and lose potentially hundreds of dollars on your cellphone is just a recipe for disaster.
That’s a big part of it.
I also think about young and impressionable people. All the families that have members who are problem gamblers know the NHL has created a new threat for them.
Greatly appreciate you not covering betting odds - Feels weird that it's so prominent and takes away from my enjoyment of the game.
I have a lot to say, too much for a youtube comment. So I'll just way, well said, Shannon, and thank you for your integrity.
the reason the picks are leaked to the broadcasting team is so they can be ready for once the pick is made to do things like send interviewers to the family, etc. a really good example of this was beckett senecke’s pick, because it’s not like he was a consensus pick, so they wouldn’t have just had a camera trained on him ready to go. it gives the broadcast team a chance to prepare for the moments directly following the pick.
I could easily go back to white boards (no advertising) and only play by play (no pregame or postgame). I just want the hockey. And The Hockey Guy, because you don't put your own opinions in and you explain things well. The gambling will hopefully prove to be a bad idea. Will continue to support your channel because of videos like this. Great analysis!
The NHL lets TV et al know who's going to be picked so they can get cameras ready, videos ready, that kind of stuff. Not to put out who will get picked early so you can post it on social media. If Marek did nothing wrong he'll be fine.
I can understand the firing. The league bend over backward to give Sportsnet a lead time of probably just a couple of minutes to prepare for the next pick, and the guy waste it screwing around instead of actually preparing. Also if you thought the first round was too bloody long, that shit added half an hour at least, and you waste it texting the picks in advance to a buddy.
I have really backed off of sports since gambling has run rampant here in N.Y. State . Fan Drool can go to....
I think what people are forgetting about in this situation is that Marek is a TV host for the national broadcast of the NHL and those broadcasts sometimes need info given to them early to prepare for the news aka a draft pick. Meanwhile guys like saravelli, McKenzie and freidman are insiders that their entire job is around releasing info ASAP and don’t have direct connect to the league really with most of their info coming from the teams directly.
Yes, there is trust involved.
If GMs were leaking their picks to Merrick before the announcement, that should be their responsibility, not his.
Merrick is doing his job as a journalist by gathering and sharing information. He shouldn't need to consider the NHL's gambling regime when doing his job.
If he was leaking the information to one person only just so they can bet, that's a problem.
I think the NHL needs to hold the leakers accountable if they want to continue their little gambling charade. Gambling on the draft is a flakey thing to begin with and the NHL should rethink this.
I am perhaps a minority in the world of following Jeff Marek journalism.
Very much appreciate his all consuming passion for the sport of hockey. The comment a colleague once mentioned..as a young kid his mother dropped him off routinely to take in Hall of Fame memorabilia. It brought a smile to my face. That said…I often thought his take on things was kind of eccentric…and Elliotte the perfect foil. But I found it a little tedious and it obscured more straightforward conversation about the game.
So for me I am not surprised something went amiss for Marek. Hopeful he finds his way back..but not to 32 Thoughts..
Worse than ads for me are the odds spouted in the middle of the game, as though it's a natural part of coverage (which didn't exist for the vast majority of the sport's existence). "That's it for our second intermission report. Up next is puck drop, and the Stars are -200 to win in regulation." They treat it like it's some form of analysis, when it's not.
To paraphrase, money corrupts and big money corrupts absolutely.
Marek is a fool for leaking the info. And if you think companies like Rogers give a f**k about being loyal to longstanding employees, well, BWAAHAHAHAHAHA. As soon as the NHL said "we don't like this, get rid of him" the ink on the pink slip was dry.
Shanon is too much of a "Unicorn" to work under the umbrella of any corporate company... I love THG because Shannon uses his own creative skill - and YES the best hockey mind out there!!!
the NHL's attitude of a zero-policy on gambling and enabling it, while at the same time pushing gambling ads for revenue is so, well I want to say incoherent, but I think it is more so their priority in making money means any kind of ethical coherency is expendable.
Shannon, I can shed some light on the reasoning behind the NHL releasing draft picks a few minutes before the official announcement to broadcasters is so the broadcasters can get the cameras aimed at the pick, and get their stats and graphics ready to go, which takes time to produce. However, if I were the NHL, I'd have broadcasters like Sportsnet and ESPN under an NDA to not release it before the official announcement. Sportsnet was probably under pressure due to Marek violating their NDA to fire him, or voluntarily chose to fire him or he chose to voluntarily resign to protect themselves from being sued or having their contrast with the NHL cancelled.
I interpreted a strong connection between Marek not doing the gambling ads on his shows and the sportsbook sponsors not liking him. Pressure from sponsors onto the league and broadcasters and poof goes Marek.
I'ma miss Jeff 😢 I enjoyed his show as a first year hockey fan it was the only podcast I'd listen to. Everyone else isn't nearly as fun to listen to.
THG you are the man! I respect your thoughts and opinions on this. Not an easy subject to talk about!!
I'm a recovering gambling addict (estimated $300,000 lost...blackjack)
It was nobody's stupid fault but my own....don't blame Gretzky or gambling ads.
People have to have more restraint. Nobody dragged me into the casino and forced me to sit at a table....ALL MY FAULT !!!!
I know, you're going to say "you don't know what these kids were going thru to cause gambling problems".
Are you kidding me, I came from a weekend alcoholic father, and 3 older brothers who tormented me...
A person has to be strong enough to refrain from becoming a problem...simple as that.
Even saying all that, I'm 66, living quite comfortably, virtually no bills,house paid for.... I just had to work harder (sometimes moonlighted)
What bothers me is the annoyance and monotony of these ads....tbh, idiotic.
Allow me to state this frankly.
I HATE THE WHOLE GEEDAMNED THING!!
C'mon now, come lose your rear-end some money, now right from ANY device! Straight exploitation of the people's pocket.
Absolutely disgusted .
Love your videos.
LET'S GO RED WINGS!
I think the only reason that Marek got the 3rd degree about this is because he was physically in Vegas when it happened. If he's in Nashville, or Los Angeles, or anywhere else this doesn't even become a story. But because it's in Vegas and the Nevada gaming commission gets involved because it's on their turf, Marek becomes the sacrifice that gets caught in the crosshairs. From his perspective, I could easily believe that this has been a thing that insiders would do during a typical draft and it was never thought of potentially being problematic if for no other reason that the NHL leaks information left and right seemingly about everything and nothing ever becomes of those. But, in Vegas with a gaming commission so close to anything involving gambling, and so much action taking place related to who gets drafted when, this happened.
Why couldn’t they have done us all a favor and fired Friedman
Cuz he's a good reporter?
Friedman is awesome Hockey best insider
So Marek leaked a pick a minute or two before it's official. I don't get it.
The year is 2130 little Johnny googles the word integrity, a picture of Shannon pops up wearing a vintage Canucks cap.
Gambling ads should be banned. Kids watch hockey.
Won’t somebody please think of the children?!?!
I find it very interesting that Marek gets fired for leaking draft picks to a friend moments before the player is selected but yet nothing happens to Frank Serevelli when he leaked the entire Seattle Kraken roster before the expansion draft took place. To me that was way worse than what Marek did
If Marek did leak the picks I think he should be fired. I don't understand why he would do this. There is no legitimate reason to leak this information minutes before it is public.
You touched on it right after I wrote the comment.
This is why the NHL getting in bed with gambling sites is a bad idea - and leaking information to reporters who job it is to report is a bad idea too.
They might not want more detailed injury information because it would make it easier to predict what's going to happen. Chaos is better for the house
A betting ad came up at the end of this video... not kidding
You can’t advertise cigarettes/ alcohol/ pharma .. in Australia but gambling ads are literally everywhere
I am a Spokanite saluting your Chiefs pennant hanging up! lol Anyways this one really is tough, I am happy I don't have to make the decision to either fire this guy or not I can see both arguments being valid. But if you leak the picks knowing it can lead to dismissal then don't do it and you shouldn't even trust your closest buddies who pinky promise they won't tell anyone.
Come for the 50/50 raffle, stay for the hockey game
Gambling is one of the existential crises the all professional sports face right now. The difference between doping, or cheating (I.E. astros) is that these are all to win. Gambling is not only in some interests of losing, but players both involved and not are invested in outcomes not wins.
The NHL needs to stop pushing gambling
I agree the NHL pushing gambling tarnishes the game
Looking forward to seeing Marek on SDPN 😁
Gambling of all kinds should be illegal. It manipulates and takes advantage of desperate people and makes billions of dollars for wealthy individuals. It’s gross.
Getting the Sennecke reaction came as a result of Sportnset knowing he was being picked next and could focus. They also get a heads up to load highlight video of player
You can gamble on an event that happens in real time. But the fact sites allow gambling on draft picks where dozens of team personnel may know an outcome for minutes or days before it happens is asinine and any sports book is getting what’s coming to them. Of course that’s why they limit how much you can bet on that stuff.
I absolutely support Marek, why would anyone trust the NHL? I will one hundred percent sign up for a Marek podcast or channel. Why would sources give information if it wasn't made to be public? They can protest after but that's idiotic.
I enjoyed Marek, but why would he use poor judgment?
If it's because he violated non-disclosure fair enough, but it seems gambling has something to do with it and that makes it sinister, because I hate gambling and those ads. I hate ads in general, but for something that people shouldn't do it rubs me the wrong way more.
Shannon, I have never to this date had a gambling problem. But a short search on the internet reveals how a person can be immediately captured by gambling . I even felt the gambling lure in Vegas recently! It was so scary as we wasted hundreds of dollars playing craps and other games . It was immediately evident to me how easy it is to get hooked
I so respect how you do not promote gambling nor the bankruptcy it causes. While not a victim of gambling my parent struggled with alcohol. When I watch your competitors pushing Vodka sweet drinks with lemonade and now the latest video I saw was a hockey player pushing a new whiskey called JRNY
If you watch these alcohol pushers it seems to me they are already hooked on pink Whitney or JRNY
I mean the pushers themselves are getting trapped in alcohol
So happy you do not push this
i have a feeling that marek did more then we know and leaking draft picks was the final straw
Doubt it.
@@jakeaaron who knows
@@Canucklover97 Hence "doubt" and not certainty.
I always enjoyed Marek's take on the NHL but he made a terrible mistake leaking information he had to know was not to be leaked. Based on that he had to go! He will be missed and hopefully will land on his feet but it doesn't change what he done.
The NHL was clearly providing Sportsnet the picks ahead of time, because they were broadcasting the draft. SportsNet would need to know the picks ahead of time so they can have the names and stats show up as they're being announced, plus have the camera on the player as the pick is being announced. From there, the NHL and Sportsnet more than likely have an agreement saying that the information the NHL is giving them cannot be released until the pick is officially announced. Jeff provided those details before they were announced, and the NHL wasn't happy. Sportsnet knows that they were in the wrong, they know that they can't fight this, so they did the most obvious choice, which was to release Jeff. Now they can go back to the NHL, apologize and say it'll never happen again, we got rid of the leak.
2:12: Marek can't say anything. The article says there was a non disclosure clause in his exit agreement. "Multiple sources said Marek signed a confidentiality agreement prior to exiting the company". I suspect he also signed a pledge not to seek any litigation against Sportsnet and in exchange for both, he got paid some money to leave quietly.
I have not encouraged my kids to get into watching hockey games because of the non-stop gambling ads
My 9 year old son did not need to be told that understanding what offside was qualifies him to gamble on sports
I once saw a gambling commercial, and a hockey game broke out.
Violating an NDA would be the most serious offense from a corporate perspective. That's insta-fired.
Great vid
Protecting and holding onto sources is SO underappreciated and not understood. Being "first" means nothing if you end up losing all your contacts.
LOL the hockey guy from UA-cam has nhl sources. Right
I don't think it was strictly leaking picks... the NGC wouldn't get involved just for that. Someone had to have been making bets on the picks. And that's much more serious.
Just ban gambling ads already, wish it was still illegal in my state
11:30 - They also kinda snubbed him on his radio show. Hinting he'd be back then never mentioned it again
Also 32 thoughts didnt really finish their year/season out. It was an atypical last episode with only a few minutes of Elliott speaking on the draft
Interestingly he started out by saying how valueable Jeff was.
My whole feeling about this is that betting and gambling should stop being something put so hard on the forefront of the game. The NHL should dissociate itself from that and make it an entirely separate thing. Then, gamblers can do whatever they like outside of it, and clear rules can appear at the NHL level against gambling.
Yeah, idk the rules of his contract, but I'm not surprised an insider was getting VERY inside information. I know people got mad at Seravalli for tweeting out every draft pick, but to me, that's what insiders do. It's not just about breaking trades and signings, it's getting those kinds of leaks, too.
Remember when Wiki Leaks was first in the news on a regular basis? At the same time, Ricky Weeks was making a name for himself for the Milwaukee Brewers. It was all rather confusing.
The Gm, owner, scout, team president who is the leak ( not Marek ) needs to stand up and take responsibility for their actions. Hope they are at least paying Marek well for taking the fall for someone else’s actions.