Saw arrived yesterday ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxfQm1wmg0ItKDLavxj1nXtQY9HP7EF504 and today I cut about 3/4 cord of wood with it. Make sure you get an extension chord that is at least 12 gauge wire, minimum. This is my first electric in about 10 years, and things sure have improved. The self-sharpener works great, and it just kept cutting through some pretty decent logs. Wear your eye protection, and ear protection. Excellent saw.
I really like the simplicity of the echo, owned a small one in the past. Never owned or ran a husky. Currently have a stihl. No complaints with the stihl. I realize these are all straight out of the box with no tuning but that stihl just sounded so crisp when running compared to the other two.
They actually said tuning the carb would void the warranty on mine when they sold my MS180 to me.... that is a significant amount of faith in factory tuning. And it did in fact seem that the Echo and Huskvarna weren't quite right in this video... we've had all 3 brands in the family over the years especially Huskvara and Johnsered though... I kind of expected more from them than this showing. Also... people tuning by ear tend to lean out too much... and burn their engines up due to lack of lubrication (as the lub is getting burned also) fuel lubed engines are suppost to run a hair rich and thats usually indicated in the manual on how to tune them (like a quarter turn back from lean etc....).
I have the Stihl 170 and the echo 352. Both fire up cold right away. The echo is more powerful, but the Stihl is just fantastic. You can't go wrong with either, and I'm a Stihl fanboy.
Ive had my Stihl 170 for 3 years, always use the caned 92 octane no ethanol fuel. When it was new started and ran great. Used it for about 10-20 hours, now I can't get this saw to start for the life of me, small engine repair shop last year said I needed a new carb, okay $100 later the saw still wont start. I guess I got a bad one? Not too sold on Stihl right now.
@@io3010 That’s why I prefer echo over stihl, once I had a stihl fs 55 no starting, cleaned the spark arrester, then run fin for few days, then again hard to star, bought a new Chinese carb, worked fine, then problem came back, got new ignition coil because spark was weak, started and run fine for a day, I gave up on that thing, my 4 years old echo trimmer starts easy and run like a champ
I have 490 501 620 and the mighty 7310 , have the 310 on order . Is your 310 still happy an runnin good ? Im replacing an echo cs3000 top handle ive used since '97 . All it needs is carb , the diaphrams finally gave out 😅
I've used Husqvarna and I've used Stihl, the first time I used the echo I said I'll never go back. Echo is awesome very underrated and very strong comfortable saw. Get the 590
Very good comparison between the three machines. I have the Stihl ms170. It is a quality machine. I also own a Stihl leaf blower. It is high quality as well. I own a straight shaft Echo brush cutter and a Echo curved shaft weed trimmer. If I had to buy a new larger chainsaw, I would purchase an Echo. I've worked on all three brands. Echo in my opinion performs better with less maintenance.
If your leaf blower ever gives out... consider a makita backpack ... no oil mixing I picked up one of those and an MS180 chain saw recently... pretty happy with both.
I hope you get to wear it one day. it's one of the best shirts I had so far. (I had the Stihl shirt and the Husqvarna shirt as well) but this echo shirt made from the Siocool fabric is one of the best I've had.
You say Stihl is the best, but do you know the MS-170 is replaced by MS-162? The 162 has single bar nut that is connected to the translucent soft fuel tank. These two things allow bar deflection when swinging cut brush to the right. It also weighs more than the 170 and has less power. I love Stihl and wish they would charge more $ to provide the most durable, best performing saw in the price group as they did before. I ended up returning the 162 and getting an older Echo 352 (year 2021) Gotta say, the 352 sounds slow, but is not worn-in and I've not cut with it.
The no handed test without putting pressure on the saw is not fair as the design of the Husq's LowVib anti vibration handle is design to articulate. Without pressure it binds up like in your test.
Also, to add; the Husq was a heavier saw than the Echo or Stihl. Because of that , I was thinking that the Husq would have sawed through the large 4 squared log faster than the other lighter saws.
Told my wife I wanted a stihl ms 251ce for Christmas. Sent her the link and everything. Woke up this morning to a ms 180. Bless her heart. She tried I think.
Considering the 251 cost 75% more... maybe it was outside the budget.. in any case having used a 180 its still an excellent home use saw, if you were using it for more than that you'd have already bought one yourself. Also, people that care don't talk down about what others got them.
@@Wingnut353 im pretty sure I'm more aware of my budget than you are. The 180 gets bogged down a lot. I do need a bigger saw, even though I didnt already have one, not really sure what your point was there. And I wasn't talking down about her. I know how she would have reacted if she sent me a piece of jewelry she wanted and I bought the one 75% cheaper even though we could afford it. Thanks for your input though.
cutting wood with all three saw means nothing, only the the chain quality is being tested here. all three are good saws. what's more important is the weight and balance and how close and the parts store is.
Logically, Ford,Chevy and Dodge .what will u pick! I've noticed all my saw no matter the brand have a break in period after they seem to run much better, and most need a suitable tuning for ones liking. I did buy a Husky and return it for an echo ! It's been over a year now and echo has had zero issues!
Haha these saws mean nothing? But then you say what’s more important is weight and balance. Do all these saws weight the same? Then the saws do matter. It’s not just about the chain.
For the money and warranty offered we always get Echo/Shindaiwa products and equipment and never have issues! It's all about best local dealer support as well
Need to tune the husky. Ive ran those over stihl for years. I love echo also but not there saws so much. My Husky runs like a champ but its also tuned correctly.
I've had my 240 husky for 4 years. I've have no issues, just kept up with maintenance. Had to readjust the carb once. Other then that no issues. I recently bought an Echo cs490 for firewood and love it.
@@exxr no , All models are made in the USA, except the MS201 chainsaw and the larger chainsaws from the MS441 and up are made in Germany. The Chains are all made in their Swiss Saw Chain Plant located in Wil, Switzerland.
Theyre all good saws. Personally ive ran my Husqvarna 235 16" for over 7 years and have not had to do anything to the saw beside chain sharpening and new when needed. Its a great saw. Hope this helps. Any of the 3 will get er done as long as theyre tuned correctly.
I was just cutting some firewood yesterday with ms170 and I'm reminded how these small saws and shorter blades are not so good for my bad back haha. The saw was great though.
Everyone knew you were a butt hurt Husqvarna owner when you accused him of meddling with the Husqvarna. No need for an explanation. Lol He said in the description it's not running right.
My suggestion to most people.. if you're going to buy an Echo spend 300 dollars and get the CS 400. Its still a very light chainsaw. I personally wouldnt want to go any smaller than about 40 cc and the saws featured here are around 30 cc.. very small.
@@bwyyy7306 I figured there might be a few chainsaw noobs here buying their first saw. The 400 is already light weight and just barely provides the power to do medium duty tree work.
@@tontobb8956 fuel oiled 2 strokes MUST run rich... if you lean then out you will do nothing but burn the lube and shorten engine life. The problem with the husky was it was running past lean most likely... the giveaway is the engine slowing down with the same throttle, thats because the cylinder is dry ....
8:38 You don't need to engage the fast idle to make the Husqvarna start when already hot. I know the manual says so, but it's not necessary. Maybe if the saw has been sitting an hour or so, you could use it .. I stopped using it (for hot start) after the first day.
These huskies are adjusted too lean out of the box, husky is probably doing that just to pass on emissions. Bought the same saw and couldn't make a cut with it, performed just the same as this one. After adjusting the carb it cuts like a champ.
I wonder if they don't have access to the patents to get the efficiency up there... I remember reading about the development of a few new 2 stroke improvements like a decade or more back and it appers Stihl is using them not sure about the other two... Sthil is calling it 2-MIX. It appears the both do the same thing by putting an unfueled air buffer between the fuel and the burned air... I guess husky just had more issues with thier designs on that engine series.
Excellent video. Really shows the differences that matter. Jan, does the Echo engine ever break-in well enough to run as smooth as the Still? Although the Still is smaller displacement, you can see and hear how much better it runs. I ask because I just replaced my MS-170 with a CS-352 and the Echo sounds slow and unsophisticated compared to the hot rod 170.
I came here to find out about the Echo. I already have the same Husky as in the video… and I hate it. Manual choke is a pain, always takes at least 3 or 4 pulls, hot or cold. And the amount of times I’ve bumped the kill switch off half way through a cut is annoying (it’s in a crappy spot). But worst of all on the Husky: the chain sprocket is on the inside clutch outside.Mine has just jumped a chain an destroyed the oil pump. Echo dealer is giving me a good enough trade in to make it worthwhile changing 👍
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do you think that stihl 170 would be better with chain 3/8 1.3 0.050? and guide bar 12 "or 14" instead of 16 "? I'd like to know your expert opinion. I am a novice. Thanks for this wonderful video
To be honest I don't think the 3/8 1,3/0,050 chain would improve the cutting performance. I'm sure that the Husqy and Echo would perform better with a 3/8 1,1/0,043 chain. Like 10 to 20% better.
The ms170 is slower on the long cuts but that's mostly because The teeth for the blade are "micro" cuts. it's meant for delimbing and cuts smaller than 8 inches around. .
You can't beat echo for me. I ran them for years. Then just this last weekend I ran a Stihl. Good saw but it took me 10 minutes to find the chain adjustment. I can't stand it out front Where I have to work around the bar. I love the side chain adjust on echos.
So, is there a secound opinion after some time of use.. also, what about a feeling in hands? What is Your personal No1 from the user point, not just the specs. Regards.
Hi Mike, I like to test a lot of things, I hope one day you get to try the Shirt as well. For upper or under clothing this fabric is for me the best I've tested so far and the gloves are great comfort and grip, even after they became wet. The trousers I know there are better better solutions available on the market Like the SIP protection. They are my favorites right now.
They all do an adequate job of cutting timber. I don’t find much difference between them. The heavier the saw of course means less pressure needed, I find it’s mostly about the chain and correct sharpening. I still use my Pioneer P40, must be 40 years old!
Hi Tom, thank you for your reaction. The Echo was good, the Husqvarna was brought in to the official dealer to adjust. you can see that at the end of the movie. :)
I had problems with my Stihl MS-250. New carb and still was hard to start cold and warm. Sold it and got an Echo and I must say I’m super happy with it. It starts great cold and warm and even cuts better than the Stihl even though it’s smaller cc. My buddy also had carb issues with his MS-250 but a new carb did fix it.
Need Advice: Im a home owner in the country. I want to have camp fires for guests. I have many down small trees. I have been thinking of getting a small Husqvarna from a local store. But then I see a lot of guys say they like the Stihl. Suggestions for a saw in the $200- 250 price range...give or take???
They’re all good saws the husky is a great saw for the price since Stihl usually costs a couple hundred more for the same size similar quality product. That being said you should go with the cheapest option and baby your saw since you won’t be using it every day
I've logged an did tree work an all 3 of those is what we would use for a climbing saw but I have the echo an out of the 3 ots by far the best in its size
Trying to learn about chainsaws, this is a great review but is the only difference between the 90px and 91px Echo the chain? The Echo website only shows one 90px chain, and indicates it is for the electric model. It also specifies different guide bars for each which indicates you cannot use either chain with the Echo 310 (unless you change guide bars?). The 90px cuts faster, but are there any disadvantages (ie. faster wear)? Which chain does the Echo 310 come with out of the box in the US? Also, does "ES" stand for "easy start"? I cannot find this model
My MS170 has auto choke shutoff when trigger is pulled and my chain tensioner is on the side like the echo. And I don’t have to open my tank to see how much fuel is left. You didn’t show that bc echo don’t have that. I have echo and shindaiwa trimmers. Love em. They’re my favorite. As for chainsaws though, I’ll stick with Stihl
@@exxr all stihl saws are made in USA or Germany. The carb is made in China and the chains are made in Switzerland. Echo has plants in China. Be hard to find a product without at least one part not from China
My new Stihl secateurs were made in Taiwan…bought from a main Stihl dealer….first day the spring fell out and was lost…repair kit was half the price of the secateurs…..I use Japanese made secateurs now and also Felco ones.
Good video. Had my Echo saw for years, I really like it. I wish it had a primer (some older models did not have them). It is hard to start the first start of the season but starts easy after that.
Unfortunately i brought Husqvarna mark ii and it produce excces of oil and if it forced a litle to cut it is turned off exactly like the bore cut on this video in min 10:09 till 10:13
Idk about the mark one BUT, I bought two new Husky mark2 BEASTS almost a year ago(1 last winter and one this year) abuse them everyday. Idles okay, high rev cold starts 3-5 pulls everytime, only use veggie oil and 50/1 cheap motor oil with cheap gas, never put the damn things away, always leave them out in the rain/sun/snow, accidently put oil in the gas tank cleaned it out ran just fine, dropped it, kicked it, keep letting trees fall on it. They do not come adjusted properly from factory, so i got a cheap carb adjustment kit on amazon and tried to make it run half decent. I've cut at least a couple hundred cedars big and small with the 16 inch bar, will take down many 14-16 inch diameter trees easy . Only had to change the plug and clean the spark arrester screen a couple of days ago on my main saw, it was blacker than toby's arse! Only other repair was a new side cover cause since broke the plasteek that holds the bar adjustment screw by forcing the wrong bar on it. Main felling saw still runs great, the mill saw from last winter is slowly dying from over abuse, though i got plenty of use out of them already not bad at all for around 300$cad
My dad's 30 year old huskvarna learned how to fly cutting a mimosa tree that snapped while he was cutting it .... probably the most dangerous situation I've ever seen with a chainsaw myself but the saw itself ran fine after that even if it was a bit banged up. It was an extremely strong mimosa tree... probalby because it was growing right on a creek bank... too bad we had to cut it it was interesting to watch it's leaves fold up when it rained etc... It's a real shame huskyvarna doesn't adjust the saws properly I know they invested a ton of money locally in engine test facilities you'd think they could get it right.
Everyone watched the clock while i watched you manipulate the saws Mister. I own both Stihl and Echo. From Chain Saws, Pole Saws, Hedge Trimmers, Weed eaters, Edger's, Blowers, Ect,. The Echo lawn equipment is easier to start and is a little lighter but has enough power to git er done. But, as for the Chain & Pole saws, NOT even close. The Stihl wins, hands down.
Hi Clif, that's a very good comment, first of all chainsaws and forestry is a very conservative world and second of all is has to see with safety regulations. All machines need to be tested by a manufacturer according the machine directive. In some cases when the machine doesn't pass the kick back test it isn't CE certified.
You need some better dealers or something where your at because my 120 mows through 14" wet naughty pine like it's nobodies business I've never had an issue with it when doing removals and have been using it for 8 months now almost on a daily basis.
@@davt8615 Right. Mine bogged out of box, I adjusted it L 1-1/2, H 1-1/4, and it now beats my Echo CS 310 easy. As it should as it has a bigger piston, hey. UA-cam is full of shite as usual -- this guy can't even adjust his own carbs, what a joke,
I have the husky and I absolutely hate that saw. It has a fatal flaw where the chain tensioner is only held in with a sliver of plastic mine has broken twice.
The effort to show how good the Husky is. Everyone watching in the middle is like man that thing has no place in this contest!! Then it’s like oh wait! That bitch bad!! LOL nice video! I love Stihl. Going to buy a 170 tomorrow
Even after going to the dealer its still not running good, which is funny cause every time i went to the dealer they were less than fucking useless. I gave them my saw so I didn't have to void the warranty by adjusting the carb myself, guy left for like 10mins came back started it idled for a few seconds so I went back home cause i'm not wasting anymore time there, started it again and i'm 99% sure they did NOTHING to it cause it stalled the exact same as before if not worse. My father gave them his Husky Rancher saw which was running like crap, it took them a week to order the parts and 2weeks to fix it and it ran even worse when it came back. I brought my saw back in for the last time when I discovered the side cover wouldn't go back on properly after chain derailed, at first I thought the cover was deformed and asked if they could try to fit a replacement to see if that would help. I had a mechanic from the shop look at it, as well as the same guy who didn't help me before, and new hire who didn't understand how engines work. I must have waited at the desk for at least 20mins for these 3 stooges to not fix anything and ontop of it, the dude from before still tried to sell me the cover even though it didn't fit... When I got back home and took a good look at the saw for a few minutes and realized the metal bar plate very obviously bulged out from the chain derailing and going past the half eaten chain catcher. 5 min assessment and fix with Dremel tool. Decent product, bad service experiences.
Hi Chandler, thank you for your comment, I think its clear that a good machine stands or falls with a good servicing dealer behind. No matter if you are a Professional or an Occasional user the machine should start and work.
Hi Thanks for readjust the Husqy. So it is an fair and good video. I like the Echo CS. And nearly I get my very first new one! I had seen a lot of Echo CS in treecare and logger video in the US. Also by August Hunicke. Then I was asking Arne for his opionen of Echo. Only a very little question! It was changing a lot for all of us. Thanks to Echo for the good products, thanks to Arne for reading and answer my question, thank you for your fine videos, Jan. Lets go together, open eyes and changing some more minds! Greetings Dirk
AVOID STIHL. I have a part defect issue on my MS391 (RRP £650 now) as the cylinder head thread has worn to the point of not starting at all as the spark plug is wobbling about. Stihl insist that it is a wear & tear issue and won't offer any restitution, despite the light garden only use which I reckon is maybe 6 weekend's use per year over 4 years of ownership. I was quoted £275 repair cost on the £650 saw. Crazy. It's quite possibly going to the landfill site now. You pay more for #Stihl European quality but the product is filled with sub-standard parts that ruin the product life.
@@JanMaesOutdoorTraining a local airport near me. I also run VP c16 in my 1988 Honda TRx250r sometimes that premix gets in the saw haha they love the higher octane.
These newer Echo saws are impressive for sure. I’ve ran all the brands for 20 years, and I’d say for 60cc and under, Echo is my go to brand. I own the Echo 2511t, 355t (362tes in other areas), 490, and the 620. They all beat the comparable Stihl and Husqvarna saws, not to mention they’re cheaper
Saw arrived yesterday ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxfQm1wmg0ItKDLavxj1nXtQY9HP7EF504 and today I cut about 3/4 cord of wood with it. Make sure you get an extension chord that is at least 12 gauge wire, minimum. This is my first electric in about 10 years, and things sure have improved. The self-sharpener works great, and it just kept cutting through some pretty decent logs. Wear your eye protection, and ear protection. Excellent saw.
I really like the simplicity of the echo, owned a small one in the past. Never owned or ran a husky. Currently have a stihl. No complaints with the stihl. I realize these are all straight out of the box with no tuning but that stihl just sounded so crisp when running compared to the other two.
They actually said tuning the carb would void the warranty on mine when they sold my MS180 to me.... that is a significant amount of faith in factory tuning. And it did in fact seem that the Echo and Huskvarna weren't quite right in this video... we've had all 3 brands in the family over the years especially Huskvara and Johnsered though... I kind of expected more from them than this showing. Also... people tuning by ear tend to lean out too much... and burn their engines up due to lack of lubrication (as the lub is getting burned also) fuel lubed engines are suppost to run a hair rich and thats usually indicated in the manual on how to tune them (like a quarter turn back from lean etc....).
You can't tune the sthil ms180 because the carbey doesn't have a high and low jet like the other saw's do@@Wingnut353
I have the Stihl 170 and the echo 352. Both fire up cold right away. The echo is more powerful, but the Stihl is just fantastic. You can't go wrong with either, and I'm a Stihl fanboy.
Ive had my Stihl 170 for 3 years, always use the caned 92 octane no ethanol fuel. When it was new started and ran great. Used it for about 10-20 hours, now I can't get this saw to start for the life of me, small engine repair shop last year said I needed a new carb, okay $100 later the saw still wont start. I guess I got a bad one? Not too sold on Stihl right now.
@@io3010 That’s why I prefer echo over stihl, once I had a stihl fs 55 no starting, cleaned the spark arrester, then run fin for few days, then again hard to star, bought a new Chinese carb, worked fine, then problem came back, got new ignition coil because spark was weak, started and run fine for a day, I gave up on that thing, my 4 years old echo trimmer starts easy and run like a champ
I just bought myself my first chainsaw. I went with the Echo CS310 . I don't know the difference in chainsaws so far I'm very pleased with this saw .
I have 490 501 620 and the mighty 7310 , have the 310 on order . Is your 310 still happy an runnin good ? Im replacing an echo cs3000 top handle ive used since '97 . All it needs is carb , the diaphrams finally gave out 😅
I've used Husqvarna and I've used Stihl, the first time I used the echo I said I'll never go back. Echo is awesome very underrated and very strong comfortable saw. Get the 590
Very good comparison between the three machines. I have the Stihl ms170. It is a quality machine. I also own a Stihl leaf blower. It is high quality as well. I own a straight shaft Echo brush cutter and a Echo curved shaft weed trimmer. If I had to buy a new larger chainsaw, I would purchase an Echo. I've worked on all three brands. Echo in my opinion performs better with less maintenance.
If your leaf blower ever gives out... consider a makita backpack ... no oil mixing I picked up one of those and an MS180 chain saw recently... pretty happy with both.
Not a chainsaw expert by any means, but I bought a Husqvarna 455 Rancher and it does everything I need with ease and no issues!
rocking a echo shirt i can already see where this is going
I hope you get to wear it one day. it's one of the best shirts I had so far. (I had the Stihl shirt and the Husqvarna shirt as well) but this echo shirt made from the Siocool fabric is one of the best I've had.
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Echo dealer's usually have free stuff when you buy something from them
😂 you just proved his point go Husqvarna!!!
You say Stihl is the best, but do you know the MS-170 is replaced by MS-162? The 162 has single bar nut that is connected to the translucent soft fuel tank. These two things allow bar deflection when swinging cut brush to the right. It also weighs more than the 170 and has less power.
I love Stihl and wish they would charge more $ to provide the most durable, best performing saw in the price group as they did before.
I ended up returning the 162 and getting an older Echo 352 (year 2021) Gotta say, the 352 sounds slow, but is not worn-in and I've not cut with it.
The no handed test without putting pressure on the saw is not fair as the design of the Husq's LowVib anti vibration handle is design to articulate. Without pressure it binds up like in your test.
Also, to add; the Husq was a heavier saw than the Echo or Stihl. Because of that , I was thinking that the Husq would have sawed through the large 4 squared log faster than the other lighter saws.
Bought the Husky last year for about 150 Euros. Very pleased with it. Just use it for cutting medium sized trees for fire wood.
Told my wife I wanted a stihl ms 251ce for Christmas. Sent her the link and everything. Woke up this morning to a ms 180. Bless her heart. She tried I think.
Considering the 251 cost 75% more... maybe it was outside the budget.. in any case having used a 180 its still an excellent home use saw, if you were using it for more than that you'd have already bought one yourself. Also, people that care don't talk down about what others got them.
@@Wingnut353 im pretty sure I'm more aware of my budget than you are. The 180 gets bogged down a lot. I do need a bigger saw, even though I didnt already have one, not really sure what your point was there. And I wasn't talking down about her. I know how she would have reacted if she sent me a piece of jewelry she wanted and I bought the one 75% cheaper even though we could afford it. Thanks for your input though.
cutting wood with all three saw means nothing, only the the chain quality is being tested here. all three are good saws. what's more important is the weight and balance and how close and the parts store is.
Logically, Ford,Chevy and Dodge .what will u pick! I've noticed all my saw no matter the brand have a break in period after they seem to run much better, and most need a suitable tuning for ones liking. I did buy a Husky and return it for an echo ! It's been over a year now and echo has had zero issues!
@@chrispugh75 have 5 echo saws , small blower , gettin ready to buy their pro 25cc trimmer . My echos are always ready an there for me
Haha that's it then let's just buy echo they have sharpest chains lol
Don’t forget about having to work on it.
Haha these saws mean nothing? But then you say what’s more important is weight and balance. Do all these saws weight the same? Then the saws do matter. It’s not just about the chain.
For the money and warranty offered we always get Echo/Shindaiwa products and equipment and never have issues! It's all about best local dealer support as well
CS 310 run a few tanks of fuel and tune carb then you have the best saw for the money
How you tune the carb
Need to tune the husky. Ive ran those over stihl for years. I love echo also but not there saws so much. My Husky runs like a champ but its also tuned correctly.
Thanks for this great Video!
Very objective and honest review
ECHO is leading in many points!
I've had my 240 husky for 4 years. I've have no issues, just kept up with maintenance. Had to readjust the carb once. Other then that no issues. I recently bought an Echo cs490 for firewood and love it.
I love my Stihl MS170!
I just bought one! Today. My first stihl chainsaw
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One year ago. I'm curious if it still works? And, how well?
@@verdonsharp3173 works as well as it did day one. Great saw great price. I have worked this little saw a lot and it never has failed me.
I got the ms171 and been very happy with it, bought 2018, now it gots around 300 hrs and still run like new
I am researching small chainsaws to buy, I had a very good impression of sthil ms 170 Congratulations on the very clarifying video
Yes but MS 170 is made in China and CS 310 is made in Japan, from a quality point of view you should also consider this fact.
@@exxr no , All models are made in the USA, except the MS201 chainsaw and the larger chainsaws from the MS441 and up are made in Germany. The Chains are all made in their Swiss Saw Chain Plant located in Wil, Switzerland.
@@exxr You are living in the past!
Theyre all good saws. Personally ive ran my Husqvarna 235 16" for over 7 years and have not had to do anything to the saw beside chain sharpening and new when needed. Its a great saw. Hope this helps. Any of the 3 will get er done as long as theyre tuned correctly.
Website says its made in USA with global (china) parts!
I was just cutting some firewood yesterday with ms170 and I'm reminded how these small saws and shorter blades are not so good for my bad back haha. The saw was great though.
Put a 36" bar on it.
That's what I did and it helped my back out.
It seems like he did something to that Husqvarna because I have the same one and mine don’t run like that
Everyone knew you were a butt hurt Husqvarna owner when you accused him of meddling with the Husqvarna. No need for an explanation. Lol
He said in the description it's not running right.
@MisterGTo show Husqvarnas are trouble compared to the others.
@Rusty Shackleford No but a Husqvarna giving you trouble is certainly realistic lol
My suggestion to most people.. if you're going to buy an Echo spend 300 dollars and get the CS 400. Its still a very light chainsaw. I personally wouldnt want to go any smaller than about 40 cc and the saws featured here are around 30 cc.. very small.
The husky is 38cc
After reading this i am going to get the cs 400 today 😊😁
Echo cs3510ES would be my choice... still
Or buy one of each
@@bwyyy7306 I figured there might be a few chainsaw noobs here buying their first saw. The 400 is already light weight and just barely provides the power to do medium duty tree work.
Idk where you got your 120 but I have one and that sucker rips through everything
Was runner mg rich like it was still on the run in tune from factory
Bullshit test. Echo and husky both running rich imo
I have a 120 as well, and never have issues with starting it cold or hot, just follow the instructions
@@tontobb8956 fuel oiled 2 strokes MUST run rich... if you lean then out you will do nothing but burn the lube and shorten engine life. The problem with the husky was it was running past lean most likely... the giveaway is the engine slowing down with the same throttle, thats because the cylinder is dry ....
8:38 You don't need to engage the fast idle to make the Husqvarna start when already hot. I know the manual says so, but it's not necessary. Maybe if the saw has been sitting an hour or so, you could use it .. I stopped using it (for hot start) after the first day.
These huskies are adjusted too lean out of the box, husky is probably doing that just to pass on emissions. Bought the same saw and couldn't make a cut with it, performed just the same as this one. After adjusting the carb it cuts like a champ.
I wonder if they don't have access to the patents to get the efficiency up there... I remember reading about the development of a few new 2 stroke improvements like a decade or more back and it appers Stihl is using them not sure about the other two... Sthil is calling it 2-MIX. It appears the both do the same thing by putting an unfueled air buffer between the fuel and the burned air... I guess husky just had more issues with thier designs on that engine series.
Il suono della Husqvarna non è pulito sembra aver il carburatore regolato male
Is it just me or did that husky still sound lean after being adjusted?
Readjusted by the dealer....
@@JanMaesOutdoorTrainingthe saw owner should be present when the dealer "adjusts" the saw.
Echo make really good products
No
@@dieagrarwirtschaft4545 Maybe not in your simulator kid, but in real life, yes. LMFAO
@@oross99 I don't understand you
those Husky 120's are cheap junk. Echo is the best bang for your buck saw out there.
Excellent video. Really shows the differences that matter.
Jan, does the Echo engine ever break-in well enough to run as smooth as the Still? Although the Still is smaller displacement, you can see and hear how much better it runs.
I ask because I just replaced my MS-170 with a CS-352 and the Echo sounds slow and unsophisticated compared to the hot rod 170.
I came here to find out about the Echo. I already have the same Husky as in the video… and I hate it. Manual choke is a pain, always takes at least 3 or 4 pulls, hot or cold. And the amount of times I’ve bumped the kill switch off half way through a cut is annoying (it’s in a crappy spot). But worst of all on the Husky: the chain sprocket is on the inside clutch outside.Mine has just jumped a chain an destroyed the oil pump. Echo dealer is giving me a good enough trade in to make it worthwhile changing 👍
That is why everything i own is echo. They always start right up.
this is the exact type of side by side comparison I want to see.
I got the echo today want the Stihl but the store that sold the Stihl was closed. I'm pleased with the echo
The husky needs priming not only for cold starting also for warm starting you need to prime 2 or 3 times to start the saw
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No problems starting mine warm, or cold.
do you think that stihl 170 would be better with chain 3/8 1.3 0.050?
and guide bar 12 "or 14" instead of 16 "?
I'd like to know your expert opinion. I am a novice.
Thanks for this wonderful video
To be honest I don't think the 3/8 1,3/0,050 chain would improve the cutting performance. I'm sure that the Husqy and Echo would perform better with a 3/8 1,1/0,043 chain. Like 10 to 20% better.
@@JanMaesOutdoorTraining thanks
The ms170 is slower on the long cuts but that's mostly because The teeth for the blade are "micro" cuts. it's meant for delimbing and cuts smaller than 8 inches around. .
You can't beat echo for me. I ran them for years. Then just this last weekend I ran a Stihl. Good saw but it took me 10 minutes to find the chain adjustment. I can't stand it out front Where I have to work around the bar. I love the side chain adjust on echos.
My older stihls were like that but my newer ones were on the side.
A fair and thorough comparison.
So, is there a secound opinion after some time of use.. also, what about a feeling in hands? What is Your personal No1 from the user point, not just the specs. Regards.
Husqvarna doesn't pay you very well, right? it seems that you do everything possible so that it is not bought
Honnestly, this 120 mark II is not really good.......it's a toy.......plus the oil pump is defective most of the time.......
Stihl all the way. But any chainsaw is better than a hand saw. Save your money buy a pro series saw it will last you a lifetime if you maintain it
I agree. Quality first.
How will this review go, done by the guy wearing all echo badged clothing?
You think if he would wear stihl the husky saw would immediately have inboard clutch or faster accessible filter? :D
Hi Mike, I like to test a lot of things, I hope one day you get to try the Shirt as well. For upper or under clothing this fabric is for me the best I've tested so far and the gloves are great comfort and grip, even after they became wet. The trousers I know there are better better solutions available on the market Like the SIP protection. They are my favorites right now.
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Definitely a bias review 🤣🤦🤣🤦
Haha up until 12:30 mark I was convinced you were getting backhanders to make the husky look like a POS. Nice review and well put together cheers bud
They all do an adequate job of cutting timber. I don’t find much difference between them. The heavier the saw of course means less pressure needed, I find it’s mostly about the chain and correct sharpening. I still use my Pioneer P40, must be 40 years old!
I agree. PS: Never get rid of that P40. It's a collectors Item and they won't make them the same way anymore.
I have a Pro Mac 10-10 that still fires right up!
140psi Good compresion 372xp oem?
The stihl is the only one running half way decent out of the 3 echo is tad rich and the husky is super lean
No es Husky es Husqvarna
Whats the diffrent between 90 and 91 PX
Both the Echo and the HUSKY BOTH SOUND SICK AND NEEDING A CARB ADJUSTMENT
Hi Tom, thank you for your reaction. The Echo was good, the Husqvarna was brought in to the official dealer to adjust. you can see that at the end of the movie. :)
no xcut chain?
I have a Stihl PERIOD; BEST chain saw on the market without trouble. Professional customer service and they stand by their products like no other!
It's good but the echo is so much more comfortable I have used a stihl all of my life but once I used a echo 590 that's what I will use from now on.
I had problems with my Stihl MS-250. New carb and still was hard to start cold and warm. Sold it and got an Echo and I must say I’m super happy with it. It starts great cold and warm and even cuts better than the Stihl even though it’s smaller cc. My buddy also had carb issues with his MS-250 but a new carb did fix it.
Still confused which one to buy
Sir..good day..how much this one big..
Im really curious about how the chains are different to one another 🤔
Im in big dilemma what should I get now... I need to buy chainsaw quickly. What would you choose?
It depends what you want to do with it, I would check your closest dealer what he can offer you.
Dolmar
Need Advice:
Im a home owner in the country.
I want to have camp fires for guests.
I have many down small trees.
I have been thinking of getting a small Husqvarna from a local store.
But then I see a lot of guys say they like the Stihl.
Suggestions for a saw in the $200- 250 price range...give or take???
I think Echo CS-310 and Stihl MS 170 are the best to use.
They’re all good saws the husky is a great saw for the price since Stihl usually costs a couple hundred more for the same size similar quality product. That being said you should go with the cheapest option and baby your saw since you won’t be using it every day
I've logged an did tree work an all 3 of those is what we would use for a climbing saw but I have the echo an out of the 3 ots by far the best in its size
Anyone know what the difference between the echo CS 310ES and the echo CS 310
ES = easy start. CS-310 doesn't have it, so it's a regular starter.
I have a Hs mark 120 II and is not running like yours, it runs like stihl in this video.Maybe your HS is not regulated properly
Very helpful comparison. Thank you
Trying to learn about chainsaws, this is a great review but is the only difference between the 90px and 91px Echo the chain? The Echo website only shows one 90px chain, and indicates it is for the electric model. It also specifies different guide bars for each which indicates you cannot use either chain with the Echo 310 (unless you change guide bars?). The 90px cuts faster, but are there any disadvantages (ie. faster wear)? Which chain does the Echo 310 come with out of the box in the US? Also, does "ES" stand for "easy start"? I cannot find this model
Only Stihl!👌😘
Small chain small chain, I love it 🤩😁😁👍👌
The 120 is just an orange Poulan. I tore one apart and it looks identical in every way to the 38cc Poulan. I’d much rather take the Echo for my use
Polauns don't have anto vib or a chain brake so they are more dangerous and more painful to use cause of the vibration
@@jerryholmes7201 The new Poulans have anti vibe and chain brakes. It’s required on every modern saw. You must be thinking about the old Poulans
@@brettslawnandtreeservice oh that's good to hear cause I couple years ago I cut my leg with one and my hands hurt so bad after like 5 minutes of use
My MS170 has auto choke shutoff when trigger is pulled and my chain tensioner is on the side like the echo. And I don’t have to open my tank to see how much fuel is left. You didn’t show that bc echo don’t have that. I have echo and shindaiwa trimmers. Love em. They’re my favorite. As for chainsaws though, I’ll stick with Stihl
Yes but it's made in china....
@@exxr all stihl saws are made in USA or Germany. The carb is made in China and the chains are made in Switzerland. Echo has plants in China. Be hard to find a product without at least one part not from China
My new Stihl secateurs were made in Taiwan…bought from a main Stihl dealer….first day the spring fell out and was lost…repair kit was half the price of the secateurs…..I use Japanese made secateurs now and also Felco ones.
@@jeremiahmcpeak3064 Stihl have chainsaws,weedtrimmers and more made in China !!
Good video.
Had my Echo saw for years, I really like it.
I wish it had a primer (some older models did not have them).
It is hard to start the first start of the season but starts easy after that.
Unfortunately i brought Husqvarna mark ii and it produce excces of oil and if it forced a litle to cut it is turned off exactly like the bore cut on this video in min 10:09 till 10:13
Idk about the mark one BUT, I bought two new Husky mark2 BEASTS almost a year ago(1 last winter and one this year) abuse them everyday. Idles okay, high rev cold starts 3-5 pulls everytime, only use veggie oil and 50/1 cheap motor oil with cheap gas, never put the damn things away, always leave them out in the rain/sun/snow, accidently put oil in the gas tank cleaned it out ran just fine, dropped it, kicked it, keep letting trees fall on it.
They do not come adjusted properly from factory, so i got a cheap carb adjustment kit on amazon and tried to make it run half decent. I've cut at least a couple hundred cedars big and small with the 16 inch bar, will take down many 14-16 inch diameter trees easy . Only had to change the plug and clean the spark arrester screen a couple of days ago on my main saw, it was blacker than toby's arse! Only other repair was a new side cover cause since broke the plasteek that holds the bar adjustment screw by forcing the wrong bar on it. Main felling saw still runs great, the mill saw from last winter is slowly dying from over abuse, though i got plenty of use out of them already not bad at all for around 300$cad
My dad's 30 year old huskvarna learned how to fly cutting a mimosa tree that snapped while he was cutting it .... probably the most dangerous situation I've ever seen with a chainsaw myself but the saw itself ran fine after that even if it was a bit banged up. It was an extremely strong mimosa tree... probalby because it was growing right on a creek bank... too bad we had to cut it it was interesting to watch it's leaves fold up when it rained etc... It's a real shame huskyvarna doesn't adjust the saws properly I know they invested a ton of money locally in engine test facilities you'd think they could get it right.
I have a stihl 170 and I’ve operated the big boys before. But nothing beats a stihl, my weed eater Is also a stihl
Echo is probably the most reliable and has the most torque
I have an Echo 590 Timberwolf.
I don't need reviews.
Everyone watched the clock while i watched you manipulate the saws Mister. I own both Stihl and Echo. From Chain Saws, Pole Saws, Hedge Trimmers, Weed eaters, Edger's, Blowers, Ect,. The Echo lawn equipment is easier to start and is a little lighter but has enough power to git er done. But, as for the Chain & Pole saws, NOT even close. The Stihl wins, hands down.
Stihl the best
china
@Jan Maes Outdoor Training Great video! Why don't all the saw use the smaller chain? Is there any downside to the smaller/thinner kerf chains?
Hi Clif, that's a very good comment, first of all chainsaws and forestry is a very conservative world and second of all is has to see with safety regulations. All machines need to be tested by a manufacturer according the machine directive. In some cases when the machine doesn't pass the kick back test it isn't CE certified.
The helmet is cool, where can I buy it, can you help me make it, and how much does it cost?
You need some better dealers or something where your at because my 120 mows through 14" wet naughty pine like it's nobodies business I've never had an issue with it when doing removals and have been using it for 8 months now almost on a daily basis.
Yeah the 120 is the best saw there easily, usually just need a quick idle adjustment out the box n there spot on
@@davt8615 Right. Mine bogged out of box, I adjusted it L 1-1/2, H 1-1/4, and it now beats
my Echo CS 310 easy. As it should as it has a bigger piston, hey. UA-cam is full of shite as usual -- this guy can't even adjust his own carbs, what a joke,
nice comparison. I liked echo most, but unfortunately there is no sale in my country.
In what country do you live?
@@JanMaesOutdoorTraining Turkey. I can buy on ebay or Amazon but there is not service supply as far as i see.
Good video. Can you compare the 50cc farm class, which is the Echo 490ES, Stihl 271, and Husqvarna 445.
Maybe this winter.😊
make a video with the rpm engine in the 20x20
Based on this review, I think I'll buy a Husqvarna.
Ca m'a pourtant l'air d'etre la moins bien...
The MS170 is excellent if you need to climb trees, recently I really want to try Echo
Echo is a good saw tuned properly
Echo makes good saws! Try a 590 timberwolf
I have the husky and I absolutely hate that saw. It has a fatal flaw where the chain tensioner is only held in with a sliver of plastic mine has broken twice.
It shouldn’t break if you don’t over tighten it and your sprocket is still good
The effort to show how good the Husky is. Everyone watching in the middle is like man that thing has no place in this contest!! Then it’s like oh wait! That bitch bad!! LOL nice video! I love Stihl. Going to buy a 170 tomorrow
No reason not to go for a 180... they were the same price in my store.
Even after going to the dealer its still not running good, which is funny cause every time i went to the dealer they were less than fucking useless. I gave them my saw so I didn't have to void the warranty by adjusting the carb myself, guy left for like 10mins came back started it idled for a few seconds so I went back home cause i'm not wasting anymore time there, started it again and i'm 99% sure they did NOTHING to it cause it stalled the exact same as before if not worse.
My father gave them his Husky Rancher saw which was running like crap, it took them a week to order the parts and 2weeks to fix it and it ran even worse when it came back.
I brought my saw back in for the last time when I discovered the side cover wouldn't go back on properly after chain derailed, at first I thought the cover was deformed and asked if they could try to fit a replacement to see if that would help. I had a mechanic from the shop look at it, as well as the same guy who didn't help me before, and new hire who didn't understand how engines work. I must have waited at the desk for at least 20mins for these 3 stooges to not fix anything and ontop of it, the dude from before still tried to sell me the cover even though it didn't fit... When I got back home and took a good look at the saw for a few minutes and realized the metal bar plate very obviously bulged out from the chain derailing and going past the half eaten chain catcher. 5 min assessment and fix with Dremel tool. Decent product, bad service experiences.
Hi Chandler, thank you for your comment, I think its clear that a good machine stands or falls with a good servicing dealer behind. No matter if you are a Professional or an Occasional user the machine should start and work.
How much paraice chinsow 250 cc
Hi
Thanks for readjust the Husqy. So it is an fair and good video.
I like the Echo CS. And nearly I get my very first new one!
I had seen a lot of Echo CS in treecare and logger video in the US. Also by August Hunicke. Then I was asking Arne for his opionen of Echo. Only a very little question! It was changing a lot for all of us.
Thanks to Echo for the good products, thanks to Arne for reading and answer my question, thank you for your fine videos, Jan.
Lets go together, open eyes and changing some more minds!
Greetings Dirk
AVOID STIHL. I have a part defect issue on my MS391 (RRP £650 now) as the cylinder head thread has worn to the point of not starting at all as the spark plug is wobbling about. Stihl insist that it is a wear & tear issue and won't offer any restitution, despite the light garden only use which I reckon is maybe 6 weekend's use per year over 4 years of ownership. I was quoted £275 repair cost on the £650 saw. Crazy. It's quite possibly going to the landfill site now.
You pay more for #Stihl European quality but the product is filled with sub-standard parts that ruin the product life.
That's a bummer, you can't fix it with an heli coil?
Sound like u r a winging pom add oil to as needed.
Those MS 391 have a known issue it should really be a recall...
@@exxr Dude give it a rest you are just a hater in half the comments here.
Husky has a bigger tank than still so less refilling. Thing is whatever feels best and what you are used too.
Never used an Echo.. Comments?
Hi Ollie, It all stands or falls with the good dealer support you have. thanks for your message.
Acutally you'd have to run the saws to determine that, there is probably some difference in fuel efficiency in these...
is this a chinese made stihl? does anyone know?
Can you compare the Echo 620SX, Stihl 362C and Husqvarna 562XP?
It's on the list, but it will be the CS-621SX. :)
@@JanMaesOutdoorTraining
I would really like to see that comparison 👍
@@farabiasbs4848 Coming up soon.
My husqvarna cuts all our wood. We just bought a 460 rancher 24 inch blade
So where is the poulan saw 😜
The screaming sthil's. I have a ms180 cbe a 2020 model and it rips. Removed the spark arrestor and run it on 110av gas .
I love the smell of AV gas, where do you get it?
I have a ms170 and it cuts twice as quick as that
@@JanMaesOutdoorTraining a local airport near me. I also run VP c16 in my 1988 Honda TRx250r sometimes that premix gets in the saw haha they love the higher octane.
Husqvarna is the most powerful engine, at the comparative the chain wasn't well sharpened, stucks too easily.
Stihl is a good a saw don't get me wrong but engine too loud ..echo are very lightweight. So I'm go with echo
Echo performed well and will definitely outlast the other two. I did like the quick latch cover on the Stihl.
Someone tune that poor Husky, lol
Bother echo and husky running rich
Telling ya. Sounds like poop.
CS-310ES 5.160 kg
Ms170 5.175 kg
(120MKII 6.045 kg) heavy, advantageous
4.960 with equal chain configuration.
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WOW The Echo Kicked all there Asses Pretty Impressive............................................
These newer Echo saws are impressive for sure. I’ve ran all the brands for 20 years, and I’d say for 60cc and under, Echo is my go to brand. I own the Echo 2511t, 355t (362tes in other areas), 490, and the 620. They all beat the comparable Stihl and Husqvarna saws, not to mention they’re cheaper
I want to order this one..tomorrow.
250 cc how much sir