Episcopal vs Anglican (Church of England) - What’s the Difference?
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- Who are the Anglicans (Church of England) and Episcopal church? How do they differ?
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I need to watch this 5 more times to wrap my head around this.
Me too. I think I might even watch it 9 or 10 more times!
even with the 5 times watching... I stiLL did not get it :( 😁
am i not weak? I got it straight with 1 view. thank u guys...
Basically you can start with two things.
1st - All Christian churches are descended from or split off from the Catholic Church with the Pope as the head of it or Supreme Pontiff.
2nd - All protestant Christian churches start with the Church of England with the reigning monarch as its head. Currently the reigning monarch is Queen Elizabeth II.
The protestant side of Christianity has many denominations, numbering in the thousands, all of which have split off of each other over the years. So all protestant denominations, or churches, can trace their roots back to the Church of England with a few exceptions. Those churches are the ones that were started independently of the Church of England such as the Lutherans in Germany. Even though the Lutheran church was started separately from the Church of England it was nevertheless heavily influenced by it as were the others.
As for all the protestant denominations they can be separated into two different types of churches, High churches and Low churches. High churches have a liturgy that they follow while low churches do not have a liturgy to follow and can be thought of as “freestyle”. The Church of England and the Lutheran church have a liturgy that they follow so are considered High churches.
I hope that helps a bit. Cheers
@@prepperjonpnw64821- false
2- extremely false.
Scholars have done a great deal of work on this and it simply is not true.
1- The catholic church so called had left the church long before the protestant reformation which was not a split but rather christians attempting to return to the historical belief and practice of the early church which the corrupt rcc refused to do.
2- Anglicanism was far from being the first “protestant church”. Thats complete nonsense
Whatever it was that Henry VIII created, it was completely overturned by the radical reformers who controlled his son and heir, Edward VI. Those reforms were then overturned by Edward's sister, Mary I, when she returned the church apparatus to the pope. All of the above was overturned by Elizabeth I, who championed what came to be know as the "media via" or "middle way". She took the title Supreme Governor of the Church of England, a conscious break from Henry's arrogant title, Supreme Head of the Church of England. All forms of Anglicanism as we know them descend from Elizabeth's reign and the Act of Uniformity of 1559, not from Henry's actions.
Yes, but without the mischief of the purulent Tudor, this Bastard would not have been Queen.
Thank you for clearing that up. People don’t understand the differences between what Henry VIII and Elizabeth I did. People can laugh all they want-it just shows their ignorance. The Episcopal Church, in the last 10 years has actually gained members again, too (as so many are leaving more legalistic Evangelical Churches).
Good post, but I’d like to point out that “radical reformer” only applies to the Anabaptists.
Despite some of the war crimes, Elizabeth I was pretty rad
He didn't create it. He was ultra Roman to the core, made Vatican 2 look Methodist.
There is currently a community of Ex Anglicans and Episcopalians within the Catholic church called the Anglican Ordinariate.
So Episcopalianism isn't just the Anglican Church in America, it's actually kind of a fusion of English and Scottish churches... very cool. I am Catholic but went to Episcopal preschool before Catholic school and was very confused once in Catholic school about why there weren't any more female priests and why everyone was so mean and brutish now.
ACNA (The Anglican Church in N. America) is a breakaway splinter group of former Episcopalians and has NO STANDING in the Episcopal Church (USA) The so-called ACNA is not an authentic Anglican church and has NO ties with The Archbishop of Canterbury or any other instrument of Unity that holds the authentic members of the Worldwide Anglican Communion together.
Thank you for recognising Henry's wish for an anullment rather than a divorce as most people claim.
I am an Episcopalian because I was baptised in Scotland as there’s no Church of England in Scotland but I am a practicing Anglican in England.
I'm British (a follower of Britannia), I was baptised in England (Kent). I'm a practising Brit in the British Isles and abroad.
@@noodlyappendage6729 I like what you said here lol. I too am British and love my heritage.
@@prepperjonpnw6482 Thank you, I’m a member of the Temple of Britannia. We’re an ethno religious group. Britishness to us is a religion as much as it is a nationality.
@@prepperjonpnw6482 If you’re interested you can give me a visit.
@@noodlyappendage6729 Being 75% descended from every nationality in the British Isles I am also 25% German, where of course the Angles, Saxons, and perhaps the Jutes were from, unless the Jutes were from Denmark. Yet I am still a wanker, because I hold an American passport, and as an American sailor was informed by British sailors that I cannot speak English, which technically is of course absolutely true. And like most of the English I am also an Anglican [Episcopalian] who never attends church, except of course for funerals. If it is an Episcopalian funeral I will even take communion, just to make sure I communicate at least once a decade just to be as English as possible. And by the time I die I fully expect the Anglican Communion to be just as dead as I will then be, with all of its buildings converted into African Methodist Episcopal churches attended entirely by African Americans, all of whom will have good English surnames.
I’ve been looking for a video exactly like this one for awhile now... thank you for putting this video together. It has helped clear up confusion.
Thanks for the video! There are a few significant issues with this video:
1) As Anglicans, we do not see ourselves having begun at the Reformation. That was the implication given.
2) Henry VIII's claim to be head of the Church of England was actually an historic position amongst Kings in the British Isles, going back to before William the Conquer; as far back as King Oswy in the 600's.
3) Apostolic Succession is not exclusively through St. Peter; it is through the Apostles. Not even Roman Catholics would argue that Apostolic Succession is only through St. Peter.
"Primus entre pares"
Apostolic Succession passes through a succession bishops. Peter, an apostle, was the first bishop of Rome. Hence, he would be the anchor in the succession chain. Of course, the myriad myths, undergo a monumental amount of mental masturbation to parse these beliefs to fit a given fabricated doctrine.
Also there were other issues that caused the split from Rome in 1533. Politics and power were also at play. The question was who had ultimate authority in England as well as the royal succession. Henry was conservative in his religious practice and still insisted on the Latin mass. Apart from authorising each church to have an English Bible and closing the monasteries little changed in the life of the church. His son was a lot more radical with the introduction of the first book of Common Prayer in 1549. Cranmer had been working on this for many years but had dare not publish it until after Henry had died. The Anglican church that we know it came about in the reign of Elizabeth I who tried to unite the various strands in the church that were pushing for supremacy. Her church was to be catholic and reformed, modern and yet to have links with the past. This was the first Anglican fudge and something that we have lived with since. It is both one of the strengths of Anglicanism but also one of its weaknesses in as far as we don't have one identity but many. We don't have one solid tradition but many ranging from more catholic than Rome to something verging on Pentecostal. This can lead to some heated disputes which has tested the effectiveness of scripture, tradition and reason which is the glue that holds all of our traditions together. The ordination of women tested this to the extreme with some parishes seeking alternative Episcopal oversight because they could not accept that of a Bishop who was willing to ordain women. As the years have rolled on as women have entered into all layers of clergy this has died down with many of the barriers to women's ministry and roles in the church are disappearing.
We are less hung up about who is the true church - unlike Rome. We would like to have table fellowship with Rome as we do with other churches but this is not reciprocal at the moment. But we can trace our apostolic succession back to St Augustine's mission in the 6th century and ultimately to Peter himself. The Church of England is unique in as far we are the only church in the protestant camp that can claim this. Many Anglicans are probably not aware of this and it is something that we are hung up about. Perhaps Anglicanism is the church that Rome could have been if Luther's voice had been listen too. who knows.
Yes. I don't understand the necessity of a video proclaiming such nonsense (St Peter//Apostolic Succession).
By chance, there is a Canterborian Heretic (😃) to correct him.
Which Apostle(s) does the C of E claim Apostolic Succession from?
Thank you! This was the most comprehensive and readily available information I could find on the ANCNA/Episcopal split I could find
ACNA and other splinter groups are not members of the Anglican communion, and therefore aren't properly Anglican.
TL;DR: All Episcopalians are Anglicans but not all Anglicans are Episcopalians. Like rectangles and squares, or dogs and poodles.
And not everyone who calls themselves Anglicans are actually Anglicans.
All Anglicans are Episcopalians in the sense that all branches of Anglicanism have bishops. Likewise the American Methodists were Episcopalian because they too have bishops and were once mostly called Methodist Episcopal. Catholic polity is not Episcopalian because the Roman Catholic Church is ruled by the Pope and not collectively by the bishops or cardinals for that matter. The Orthodox Churches are also Episcopalian in the sense that they are ruled by bishops, bug all orthodox bishops must be monks.
Very informative and helpful. Your presentation style is awesome!
Henry made himself supreme head. It was his daughter Elizabeth who changed it to supreme governor. Also, Henry's Church was Catholic in every way except its head. It was a true schism, like the Orthodox and if it had remained as such, the Roman Catholic Church would likely recognize the validity of its Holy Orders and Sacraments, as they do with the Orthodox. It was Henry's children Edward and Elizabeth who protestantized the Anglican church.
Ding ding ding! Correct!
I'm so glad that the anglicans had not many of their traditions changed they have traditional hearts ther is protestant Catholics...to get a grasp of this as we are christians ..of today ....we have knowledge ....study archbishop lefevbre and his society .... anglicans are going through something similar I hope this man can inspire some of you
yes, we Catholics believe, that despite the schism, in the first decades the Anglican sacraments were valid and they really had an Apostolic Succession, already with the son of Henry VIII things changed and this recognition was lost, becoming a public heresy.
but nowadays Anglican baptisms are mostly accepted as valid because the rite is the same
@@davidstanton4578 studying lefebvre won't help them at all
@@Cr7Micto why not? Lefebvre was true to the faith.
A point on the consecration of Bishop Seabury: The Church of England bishops would have liked to consecrate him, but could not, as they had taken oaths to the UK monarch at their ordination as priests and much more binding oaths when they became bishops. To consecrate him would have meant breaking their oaths and understandably clergy did not want to be oath-breakers. By contrast, the bishops of the Scottish Episcopal Church had not taken such oaths and were thus free to consecrate Seabury. If I recall correctly, the Archbishop of Canterbury sent a warm letter of congratulations to Seabury.
Also, for Bishop Seabury to be ordained and consecrated by the Bishops of the Church of England, he would have to swear his allegiance to the King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain as the Law required it. The Scottish Episcopal Church, as an unestablished Church, was able to ordain and consecrate him as a bishop.
@@ronaldmccallum2111 Yes
And George Washington, an Episcopalian layman, made a point of never speaking to Bishop Seabury, because during the American revolution Seabury had served as army chaplain to American Loyalist redcoats serving in the British Army attempting to put down the rebellion in Connecticut.
@@marcmeinzer8859 Thank you for this little detail.
This was a really helpful and well-done, thank you!
Minor issue. ACNA is recognized by a few other Anglican provinces such as the church of Kenya, Rwanda and Nigeria. So therefore it is recognized by some of the Anglican communion but not by all.
The ACNA is recognized by the majority of Anglian Churches across the world and unlike the US Episcopal Church and Anglican Church of Canada, it is not in discipline or impaired community with the vast majority of Anglican Provinces.
It is basically a political question within the CoE. Are you part of the communion if you are in communion with someone who is themself in communion with the CoE?
Welby has said the ACNA is not part of the communion, but that's not gone without debate.
A discussion is here: www.americananglican.org/current-news/anglican-church-north-america-anglican-communion/
Ready To Harvest well the problem is that it’s unclear as to how Welby or any other ABC have gotten the power to declare people part of a larger communion. For example the Scottish started on their own. And so far in history it’s not clear that welby needs to recognize them in order for them to be recognized.
@@jeffwilson7027 what's wrong with the ACC?
@@jeffwilson7027I've heard that a stranger practice of polygamy occurs in some episcopalian churches in Africa... Does ACNA also recognize them?
This really helped me to better understand what is going on with the Anglican church in America. I recently began attending an APA church ( I love it) and wanted to know more about the history. Thank you so much!
Very Well Stated, I have been a member of the Episcopal Church sine 1950
Thank you for this informative video! I hope you will consider doing a video on the efforts of the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter in the US and Our Lady of Walsingham in the UK.
I’m actually going to England next year and one of the things I’m going to do is a pilgrimage to Walsingham. Also, the parish at Walsingham has a youtube channel and you can watch the Mass there.
Hello from a member of the Antiochian Orthodox Church of North America,
Nice to know all that!
Very helpful video. Thank you so much.
This was very clear and concise, thank you.
As a Canadian Anglican, I always thought it was Church of England = Anglican and it's just not called Church of England in other countries. I only learned recently it's not called Anglican in America. This was fascinating.
Members of the Episcopal Church are Anglican as well.
If you notice the bilingual signs in Quebec posted on Anglican churches you will notice that in French it is called Episcopal, just like in Scotland and the United States.
The Anglican Church of Australia was called the Church of England in Australia until the early 1980s.
This channel is fantastic!
I became an Episcopalian when I was in my 20s but the theology has swung too far left for me. Unfortunately, the nearest parish of the ACNA is low church with praise bands for music. The local Missouri Synod Lutheran parish isn't high church. Being Anglo Catholic and conservative has left me without a church. I've actually considered the Orthodox Church.
The REC I attend isn't ornate, but we do have reverent services.
That’s unfortunate. I’m a conservative Anglo-Catholic as well and finding a good continuing Anglican “High Church” is hard sometimes.
I hear this a lot but personally I have never had politics brought up once at church. Besides the obvious things like war declarations.
Anglican Church: "What makes you think that just because you have a problem with our sovereign and didn't get your way you can just up and leave and start your own church?!"
Episcopalians: "bruh..."
Excellent video - excellent channel. Thank you.
I my self am episcopalian here in the usa , like your channel a lot
Thank you. Very interesting and educational.
Informative video! :D
0:31 one mistake. Henry's church basically died with him. The Anglican Church we know was basically born later, since Henry's daughter was catholic and brought the Church of England back to communion with Rome.
Henry's church may have died with him but the Anglican Church we know is not in communion with Rome. Both groups have instituted changes since the 1500's which pulledthem further apart than they were before.
The English Reformation was unwanted by the overall population. Zealots such as Oliver Cromwell destroyed not only significant buildings and religious institutions, but a way of life and learning during the English Civil War. Please Google Pluscarden Abbey to learn of a Benedictine monastery re-established in a destroyed ruin in the 1940s. 🌷
@@Austin8thGenTexan Thank goodness it happened though. Otherwise we'd still be Catholic!
What a stupid comment. I’ll refrain from saying anything bad about the death of Thomas Cranmer and other such “ reformers” lol.
Henry's son and heir (a child) was swamped by the Prostestants, but his reign was cut short by very early death at 16 Y.O. Henry's first daughter Queen Mary was a Roman Catholic who followed Edward; she tried to steer the English church back into the fold of Rome. When she died she died her half-sister, also Henry's dughter, swung things back toward Protestantism and the Church of England has been Dress-up Protestant ever since, never quite knowing whether it was fish or fowl. Now it is in its death spiral (along with its American version, the Protestant Episcopal Church in the USA). Thus the splitting up abounds. It will continue like cell division.
Good overview. Though of course every point has its own rabbit hole. I think my two disagreements are 1. Yes, Henry VIII did start his own church because he was not granted an annulment, but there were other issues and previous disagreements between the Vatican and England that would have made separation inevitable. 2. I do not think it's fair to throw around the term "evangelical" when describing ACNA. Evangelicalism can be found within the Episcopal, and really any church, that wants to grow in size. One beauty of Anglicanism in general is the diversity in worship styles across many parishes and provinces. So both Episcopal and Anglicans can be high church, low church, evangelical, etc. Just my humble response!
While the ACNA may not be officially a member of the worldwide Anglican Communion, they are in fact recognized as members by the vast majority of the Anglican Communion, namely GAFCON.
Mary I brought the English Church back under the Pope after Henry VIII died. Anglicanism really begins with Elizabeth I.
Actually, it was back and forth until James II, the last Catholic King of England, died.
It actually began prior to the establishment of the Nicene Creed, centuries prior to Henry...
This was a great video
Great video bro.
Interesting, ordination of women led to splintering of church and eventually resulted in two gay women “priests” marrying each other. Almost like there is a reason for that stipulation from the apostles. Hmmm.
Very interesting, thank u
Excellent video
So helpful thank you!
Can you do a video on the G4/G3 Joint Synod Anglicans and the UECNA?
0:23 He must of took notes from the pope of 1054 when he made his own denomination that is Catholicism. Now pulling the uno reverse card on the pope is truly a legendary play
Can you do an overview of the Anglican Continuum?
INTERESTING and you should note that once a church selects women as priest the downward spiral starts .
Indeed indeed...
There are many powerful women who had great impact on the church. Some are abesses or nuns, some are warriors or even patron saints of nations, many were mothers or healers. But none were priests. It's a fact of life, when women enter a profession men leave it. Well, no disrespect to our secretary of transportations motherhood
@@TheJwbooth God rarely selected women aa leaders. They have this problem of avoiding controversy. And they easily compromise principles for the sake of peace
@@TheJwbooth and the real church suffered killing robbery and murder under the false church so stop pretending that catholics are the real church. For the real church suffered for christ. And catholics have never suffered under anyone. So catholics are not the church of christ
@@TheJwbooth it is God's word that we suffer for the name of Jesus Christ. Catholics have not suffered for christ because they are not His people
5:11 A good visual summary of general views.
Nice history lesson free of theological and political biases. Just history. As an Anglican myself (Anglican Church in North America), it's nice to know that 3/4 signers of the Declaration of Independence were Anglican.
That was back when the Episcopal Church was much different.The world not recognize today's version of it
@@richlopez4466 I'm not in the Episcopal Church. The signers were tech. not either :)
Most of TEC has gone apostate. However, there are still a few island TEC parishes which are confessionally orthodox. Also, there are a few CofE parishes that are orthodox as well. TEC is probably the most liberal "Anglican" province in the world.
The US Episcopal Church also adopted the Episcopal Church of Scotland's Holy Communion Liturgy. This liturgy contained a clear Epiclesis in the Prayer of Consecration as well as other "less reformed' or 'more catholic' elements than those found in the Church of England's formularies.
Just one bit to comment on, the continuing Anglican churches originally started out as a single church called ACNA (first to use this name in the 1970's) but quickly broke apart over issues with polity. Now some of those groups are looking at coming back together.
Thanks for the comment! Hadn't heard of the old ACNA. Found reference to it here: anglicanhistory.org/essays/badertscher/chapter2.pdf A lot of this history is made more difficult to find online with the new ACNA.
Our Anglican congregation in my hometown was booming, and was for a while "le church du jour" (as people now wander from one Church to the other - according to the entertainment value. The current popular church is a disco ball / hands in the air, rockin' Indy fellowship, while another is a cowboy Church with its own rodeo arena and regular tractor pulls events. In the meantime, the Anglican Church disbanded over too many personality issues, and is long gone. It's a pathetic circle of trying to do magic tricks and marketing ploys to pull in the people. Our Episcopal parish has stayed the same with new people coming in to retire in the area - which is refreshing for those of us locals who are accustomed to a stuffy, cliqueish congregation (the frozen few). 🌷
I hope the Church grows. A good book is, Growth and Decline in the Anglican Communion.
TEC is an independent church within the Anglican Communion. Pax Christi.
Well, I remain very confused. But you do provide a jumping off point in clarifying what all the fighting is about...
@old fan --- Hello. You posted this 2 years ago, but I just watched it tonight. The Youngster who made the video left out some very important reasons for the diminishing "Episcopal Church" in the U.S. and the growing Anglican Church in America and other more "traditional"/"conservative" Anglican/Episcopal groups. He should have given more information instead of trying to make a fast video.
The root problem why so many clergy, members left and continue to leave is primarily the "Episcopal Church" is full of apostasy and liberalism, from the top to the Professors and the bishops and Pastors.
For decades it was officially titled "The Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America". I have my grandmother's copy of the 1928 Book of Common Prayer.
The problem is that they (The Episcopal Church) do not Protest Rome anymore. They protest against the words and commands and teachings of God-breathed scripture of the Holy Bible. They (Episcopal clergy since the early 1960's, particularly a guy named Bishop Pike was a flaming heretic/apostate) quit abiding by "The 39 Articles of Religion" which is printed inside the Book of Common Prayer, as is the England version of the wonderful "Book of Common Prayer.
The 39 Articles of Religion are "Reformed" and "Protestant".
The modern "Episcopal Church" is a liberal, "anything goes" wing of the Democrat political party. They use a neutered, wretched new book cooked up in 1979.
People that believe in the teachings of the Holy Bible and like the 1928 Book of Common Prayer and the "39 Articles of Religion" leave to other chapels, churches, groups that still affirm God's Book is true and they use the "1928 Book of Common Prayer" or the hard-to-find "Reformed Episcopal" Book of Common Prayer. {The Reformed Episcopal Church was formed in 1873 and a few/couple years ago they merged with the A.C.N.A., which is mentioned in the video. The "Reformed Episcopal" (Pennsylvania iirc,) church started by Bishop Cummings were around long before the A.C.N.A. started up.
The liars (today's "Episcopal" clergy) take an Ordination oath, but they do NOT believe what Archbishop Cranmer (burned at the stake by order of wicked R.C. Queen Mary in the 1500's) taught and that Queen Elizabeth 1st codified, and her cousin King James VI & I carried on or Bishop Seabury.
If the Holy Bible is for something, the modern "Episcopal Church" clergy & members are against it. If the Holy Bible is against something, then the modernists/ apostates of the "Episcopal Church" are for it. They are an example of Isaiah 5:20.
Saddens me and is a heart breaker to see/hear how badly the "Protestant Episcopal Church in the United Staes has gone down the drain. I was Christened in an Episcopal Cathedral with wonderful Tiffany-stained glass windows, real wood furniture and walls and a fine organ and hymns from the 1940 Episcopal hymnal. Now that place is run by sex perves and leftist political whackos. I am now an independent Baptist/"Calvary Chapel"/conservative Lutheran/Bible-believing born-again Christian.
The 1662 (English) Book of Common Prayer and/or the 1928 American Book of Common Prayer can be purchased. The Anglican/Commonwealth B.O.C.P. have a Prayer for the Monarch of the U.K. and the members of Parliament, whereas the American edition (1928 edition) has a Prayer for the U.S. President, and members of Congress.
The English 1662 and the 1928 American B.O.C.P. are full of good liturgy, a catechism, family prayers, occasion prayers, scripture readings for each Lord's Day and each day of the year, Collects (Group Prayers), The Psalter, and readings for different occasions. It has the original "39 Articles of Religion" in the back section which covers many topics, from The Holy Trinity to many other theological points/beliefs/stances such as the wrongness of the roman catholic system and the Eastern Orthodox groups.
If you want to read some great prayers and God-honoring liturgy, then get a copy of either one a 1662 or a 1928. Do NOT waste your money on the 1979 or the newest fireplace food the liberal/apostate "Episcopal Church" printed! You can find them on the internet sales sites if you want one, or if you are on a budget and money is "tight" you can visit a good webpage called www dot Common prayer dot org. Every day/week they have the words from the 1928 B.O.C.P. posted. Hope this helps you and possibly others.
I am an Episcopalian and was a Roman Catholic. I left Rome because of the evils I experienced and stay in the Episcopal Church because it is home. I am walking on the way of love that I found.
@@mts0628 thank you.
What evils?
@@mts0628 I'm a traditional Catholic leaning on sedevancism but not fully. I go to SSPX churches and I fully agree with your assessment
4:08
Me: smiles in Anglicanorum Coetibus and the Personal Ordinariate of St. Peter
The Church of Hawaiʻi, originally called the Hawaiian Reformed Catholic Church, was the state church and national church of the Kingdom of Hawaiʻi from 1862 to 1893. It was the ecclesiastical province of the Anglican Communion in Hawaiʻi. (After the illegal annexation of Hawai’i the Church was reconstituted as a diocese of the Episcopal Church of the USA.
Excellent video. This is why history is so important. Can you tell me the difference between the United Episcopal Church in North American and the Anglican Church of North America??? Thanks.
Good video. One important note, however, about Continuing Anglicans. You give the impression that the entire movement is trying to be Roman Catholic. While we are certainly open to ecumenical conversations, the majority of Continuing Anglicans don’t want to be Roman Catholic. We appreciate what makes us distinct from Rome and value our English Spiritual Tradition. 👍🏻
None of the catholic martyrs, especially Thomas more would agree. Nor would the previous kings and queens before 1520.
So US Episcopalian is were the Liberal pressure comes from whilst CoE is a late comer
The single greatest similarity between the Episcopal Church and the CofE, aside from the obvious point that the Episcopal Church originally was the Cof E, and like the CofE claimed the majority of the population among its members, at least generations and even centuries ago in the USA, but today both have evolved into the church where virtually nobody bothers showing up for services. The average congregation at a CofE service numbers about thirty communicants, while in the United States you typically get about fifty. But curiously, the one time I did attend holy communion in a CofE building was at the cathedral in Gibraltar during the early 1990s and the church was packed. I think that that was the case because in that crown colony the cathedral may very well be the only Anglican Church in the entire city aside from the chapel at the army base.
“The supreme ruler of their religion,” this is actually a misunderstanding of the idea of supreme governor. The monarch is only governor of the church as ruler of all estates in their realm, not as an ecclesiastical office.
I was a member of the Anglican Catholic Church back in the eighties and nineties. What has happened to that body that has broken off from the Episcopal Church? I have lost track of the church that I also have the feeling that it may no longer exist.
It’s seems to still exist.
Are they in communion with the Church of Imelda Marcos ?
I've heard King George was actually technically a Lutheran which the Hanovers were allowed to remain as they were originally from Germany. Is this true?
I doubt he remained a Lutheran his whole life, it was common for a prince to convert to the faith of his new territory, especially depending on whichever territory was greater in power and size, and considering he was either way head of the Church of England, I assume he joined the church at the least. But maybe not, I know at least George II and then on were Anglican; George I was notoriously very not English.
@@baronofbahlingen9662 Interestingly, George I remained Lutheran even though he was head of the Church of England and also the Church of Scotland. Perhaps because he remained an Elector in the Holy Roman Empire. It was enough that he was a Protestant. Also, I don't think our current concept of denominations had developed quite yet.
Maybe the denominations were similar enough so it was accepted.
@@baronofbahlingen9662 The English monarchs were Anglicans. Down to Victoria they were also kings of Hanover and so were Lutherans. Anglicans in England etc and Lutherans in Hanover - a change occurred as they travelled from one place to another; fortunately the journey took sufficient time to undergo that (please note, not entirely serious). Victoria could not inherit in Hanover, that territory going to the male heir.
Surprised you didn't mention the Anglican Ordinariate in communion with Rome seeing how you mentioned some seeking communion.
I don't know why so many people say the king founded Anglicanism that's not true, and not even logical, of course he separate his state (England) from Rome control but politically, but the reformation of the church was because of Thomas Cranmer, archbishop of Canterbury and his successors.
For me saying that Anglicanism comes from the kings it's like saying lutheranism comes from the protestant princes and dukes and not from Martin Luther.
@@matiastolmo8936 Interesting, indeed🤔
Cranmer was a convinced Zwinglian and the Prayer Book of 1552 abolished the Mass.
The difference in America; Anglican refers to the continuing traditional practice of faith from the Church of England a Holy Catholic and Apostolic church vs Episcopal which had initiated woke way before the term became common in the late 1970's. The Affirmation in St Louis 1977 started to consecrate Bishops to continue Traditional Anglican with it's own identity the original province the Anglican Catholic Church. Many splintered groups followed to diferentiate.
3:25 wait...is that the guy from Hamilton?!
Yes, it's the same Samuel Seabury.
Not to be rude. But as far as I understand it, Episcopalians are just two steps away from being Catholic. Catholics look to the pope as their spiritual leader. Anglicans look to the ruling monarch. And I don't know who Episcopalians look to. But I know they don't look to either one that first two groups do 😅
Anyone who has a clearer understanding of the three groups, please enlighten me 😃
Members of the CoE do not necessarily look to the ruling monarch - at least not directly. The monarch is Supreme Governor of the Church of England, but that is mostly an honorific title that harkens back to the days of the CoE’s founding. The Archbishop of Canterbury heads the CoE. That technically makes him the most senior bishop in all of Anglicanism since he heads the mother church. However, since each member church of the communion is self-governing, outside of the CoE itself, he is “first among equals” and does not have authority in other AC churches.
For TEC specifically: Episcopalians have a Presiding Bishop, who governs the House of Bishops. We look to the Archbishop of Canterbury as a spiritual leader too, but his word isn’t law like the Pope’s would be in the RCC. During our services, our prayers mention the diocesan bishop, the PB, and sometimes the AoC depending on the congregation. They do not mention the British monarch. (Well, at least they haven’t since that little kerfuffle in 1776. 😅)
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I thought the ACNA was in communion through one of the Anglican churches in Africa.
i am most definatley from the anabaptist seperatist
I'm a puertorican with jewish background the traditional church I learn we don't celebrate some holiday it's difficult to find a pentecostal church with Jewish background I will like help
Are you living in Puerto Rico now?
@@salyluz6535 in Puerto Rico my cousin tiene una sinagoga but in Alabama very difficult
Dear Jose....I guess we all believe in one, holy, CATHOLIC and apostolic Church!
And that Church is the 'body of Christ'...Its exclusively made up of people that Jesus declares are 'born again'.
Our theology...or our membership of a denomination do not make any difference.
Jesus always had trouble with religious people...Perhaps the same is still true?
I have been a Christian for 50+ years (love God more now than ever) ...I meet regularly with other believers (and Jesus)...But i am not a member of any denominational framework...neither was Jesus.
I recommend that you pray and seek out like minded people of faith...and invest your time into them.
@@IssacharGR me and my siblings are the famous miracle childs
I am pray for england
I am Anglican catholic priest from Pakistan please explain it well if possible.
Anglican Church of Canada here.
BTW, the English monarch is not head of the Church of England, but the Supreme Governor on Earth of that church (and AFAIK, has no role at all in any of the other churches in the Anglican communion).
I hope and pray that the seperate churches from the Episcopal church can join into the Anglican Ordinariate in communion with the Roman Pontiff.
John Knox's beard tho
Interesting that you made no mention of the Apostolic Constitution Anglicanorum Coetibus(Groups of Anglicans) under Pope Benedict XVI in 2009. Under this umbrella, whole parishes as well individuals from the Anglican Communion and those denominations branching off the Anglican Church, now form three personal ordinariates(dioceses) in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church. In the U.S. and Canada we have the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter under Bishop Steven Lopes. Having been baptized in the former Methodist Episcopal Church, I am also a member. I converted to Catholicism in 1977, and am also eligible to be a member of the Personal Ordinariate. In the UK there is the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham, and in Australia the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of the Southern Cross. Together we are trying to fulfill Our Lord’s Prayer, “That they may be one.” John 17: 11.
We are pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, and ordain only men. Our liturgy maintains elements of the Anglican patrimony, but is in full Communion with the Catholic Church under the Pope.
I have a video on the Ordinariates, if you have not seen it: ua-cam.com/video/8tlPqyp2Q8s/v-deo.html
@@ReadyToHarvest Thanks
Not a bad summary but you totally ignored the Reformed Episcopal Church, now a part of the ACNA, which left in 1873.
Yes, I didn't intend this to be a comprehensive video on Anglican denominations - there are dozens I did not mention. Sorry!
I don't think that there is a difference and I assume that after the Revolution the American church couldn't very well have the monarch of England at the helm.In the Church of Canada and Australia the English monarch remains at the helm.
That's just plain wrong. The English, Canadian and Australian monarch has no official role in the Canadian and Australian Anglican churches - a welcome worshipper, but no other role, most certainly not at the helm.
So may I ask if the Episcopal church is still a apostolic succession to the bishops?
@@MountieHoo1105 Only according to Rome. Then again some Orthodox Churches also don’t accept Latin Orders either 🤷🏻♂️
Rome and the orthodox say No.
The term 'Church of England' would obviously not be acceptable in America due to its association with the former colonial governing power and the English monarchy.
Pray for the unity of Christendom.
Many anglicans because they retained monarchy wich we Catholics hold as the best form of governence....but the enciclicles are marari vos....and pacendi.... because I realize allot of anglicans are hurt ....we went through something similar wher we had to protest against modernism (pacendi will explain what the herasey modernism is in ecclesiastical terms )but don't feel like strangers in a stranger's house concerning the Catholic treasurey or deposit of faith...but please check marari vos and pacendi......pacendi is rather long ..but intellectual men and women will appreciate it ...as it produced tremendous Fortitude in people...the writer was my own personal saint or model of Fortitude if you will ...for what he says in pacendi can be said in todays church in general.... because Thea's are communities with a higher porpous also mind and have a look at Marcel lefevbre and his story and legacy as it all comes as a package to me as I'm a member of the SSpx great Britain...god bless
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they are the same Church and are all Anglicans
The most famous bishop of the Episcopal Church publically rejects every single article of the Christian faith.
i do believe most episcopalians show up to re-learn lessons with a new perspective from the last time you heard it, take communion, take part in the community, and be at peace.
The belief that each community should decide what is right for them does lead to odd things like this - but that same belief allows you to distance yourself from it and focus on why you're going.
Is that the late great Spong.
Finally someone explain to me on my BLOOD LINE QUEEN ELIZABETH
the holy bible was written in Greek
Just to let you know, the Monarch is not the Head of the Church of England. The Archbishop of Canterbury is. The monarch is called the Defender of the Faith. Given by the Roman Catholic Church prior to the C of E separating from the rule of Rome.
The monarch is the Supreme Governor on Earth of the CoE.
And not in such a role with almost all the other members of the Anglican Communion - I'm not sure about the Church of Wales.
According to alexa...she is.
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It should be noted that the ACNA had the eminent British Canadian evangelical Anglican Rev. Dr. J. I. Packer (part of the ESV Bible committee) as a member. It should also be noted that because of the heretical liberalism of the is it a church of Canada (ACoC) won’t be around passed the year 2040. There was a study done by the ACoC a few years ago that proposed the death of the church in 2040 and the only body of Anglicanism remaining is the ACNA (which has the diocese of the Anglican Network in Canada, and the diocese of Via Apostolica).
this video didn't age well. Rip Q. Lizzy 🙏 ⚰ 🙏
If Queen Elizabeth II had recognized the mistakes that Henry VIII had made in separating England from the true Church of Christ, if she had converted to Catholicism to restore true religion in the country during her 68 years of reign, the United Kingdom would return to the glory times. It makes no sense for a monarch to declare himself the supreme head of the Church, it is the duty of a monarch to protect the holy Catholic Church that Jesus Christ founded over Saint Peter.
But there was more to the break with Rome than a divorce. Church and state were intertwined and the Pope was meddling in politics. Politics then was about securing the line of succession which was under threat. A foreign king such as that of Spain or France or even Scotland marrying Mary would have been bad news both for England and the Tudor line. What complicated matters was the influence of Spain over the Pope. The Spanish king was Catherine of Aragon's cousin and pressure on him to refuse the divorce.
England had foreign kings for centuries.Some were Germanic and others were French.The problem was all from Henry VIII and his tantrum and meddling in both political and state affairs.He understood that the bishop of Rome was the head of the Catholic Church for his whole life until he didn't get what he wanted.
By 1682, the French had a partial separation from the RCC by forming the Gallican Church. They wanted the Papacy to stay out of political matters.
Indeed, Charles V had a stranglehold on the Pope and a vested interest in denying Henry his annulment: Catherine was his Aunt!
“Samuel Seabury”
My brain: Heed not the reebel who SCREAM revolution they have not your interest at hearrtt
This “Congress” does not speak for me!
This is so confusing. I think I may join the Catholic Church. They do all your thinking for you, don't they?
Very confusing. Thats why I will always be a Catholic.
Every member of 'The Church'...(the one church which is the body of Christ)...is a part of a spiritual blood line that goes back to Peter...back to Jesus. No faction or denomination can claim this superiority...Only those 'born again' (as Jesus declares)
Henry VIII broke away from the Roman Catholic Church, but he was still a Catholic. The CofE has been a mixture of Catholic and Protestant.. but has mostly been Protestant since Mary 1st death in 1558. The Archbishop of Canterbury is the head of the CofE and Queen Elizabeth II is defender of the faith.
Any of the kings and queens after 1545( besides Mary and James) are not defenders of the faith. Governments are not the defenders of the faith. Rome and orthodox have that spiritual authority.
How can they believe this nonsense? - dumping the king even though he's the raison d'ètre of the whole thing - hunting around for someone to ordain them- and then changing and fragmenting - believing anything and everything.
There is more to it than that. The popes during this period in history were trying to insert themselves into European international politics.
Samuel....I guess we all believe in one, holy, CATHOLIC and apostolic Church!
And that Church is the 'body of Christ'...Its exclusively made up of people that Jesus declares are 'born again'.
Our theology...or our membership of a denomination do not make any difference.
Jesus always had trouble with religious people...Perhaps the same is still true?
I have been a Christian for 50+ years (love God more now than ever) ...I meet regularly with other believers (and Jesus)...But i am not a member of any denominational framework...neither was Jesus.
For almost 400 years there were no priests...no church buildings...Perhaps many of us religious types need to go right back to our foundations and have a re-think.
@@eddarby469 I agree that it's complicated. There have clearly been terrible popes in history, but it doesn't make sence to replace them with an absolutely terrible syphilitic, cleptocratic, psycopathic king who was anything but apolitical.
@@IssacharGR I respect your faith in and love for God, and while you are free to live out your faith in any way you see fit, I can't see how you can consider yourself in anyway Catholic or Apostolic if you reject any kind of church structure. The Church has always had been organised and had a structure with certain fixed roles and exclusions. Christ prayed "that they may all be one", and Christians have to have to be organised in some way for that to mean anything. For this reason there was a clergy from the start, they were the Apostles; hence apostolic. The sucessors to the Apostles were the bishops and they used the term 'priest' from about AD 190. The earliest known church building dates to about AD 240 in Syria. The Nicene creed which established the terms 'catholic' and 'apostolic' was established at a Church Council set up by Bishop Hosius of Corduba in AD 325. This is what I think you will find if we follow your suggestion of going back to our foundations.
@@samuelbcn Thanks for your good grace... and thought through reply.
I have been a Christian for 50 years...I worked in international Christian publishing for 45 years...So Ive encountered many forms of church structure and theology.
Ultimately only God knows who his children are....and all his children are part of the ONE Church. This body of Christ is not exclusive to any denomination....Or perhaps you think it is? When Christians come together Jesus promises to be there with them...The variety of those meetings is as divers as humanity itself...God certainly seems to like non-conformity...and difference....and yet we are all one in Christ Jesus.