My final evaluation of the Air Boss, to expensive to build commercially, to heavy , ice gets in the stator and rotor plates and freezes up, locks the Air Boss up, wooden blades cracked at the end of 6 months.The tower must be 3" pipe minimum.The output not worth the cost of adding a Midnite Classic charge controller = wind turbine and charge controller costs over $3000.00 for a 1400 watt wind turbine.Hugh Piggot promotes this old technology wind turbine because he makes money off the classes he gives on it.This is my experience with a professionally built axial flux wind turbine.
+MissouriWindandSolar The original DWP350 Chris Olson design weighs very close to 300lbs, has a 4" diameter yaw shaft with bottom thrust bearing on the turntable, uses precision machined rotors accurate +/-0.04mm axial runout, the magnets are epoxied to the rotors as well as secured with stainless machine screws, about 3x times more tail area and has a 3.5 meter (11.5 foot) diameter rotor. The Genesis is not the same machine as the DWP350 made by Chris Olson, Chris recommends a Rohn SSV tower for the DWP350 because 2" Schedule 80 pipe won't hold it at 90 feet. In order for a wind turbine to generate power it has to slow the wind going thru the rotor's swept area, and that means thrust. A DWP350 produces about 860 lbs of lateral thrust @ 3.0 kW and even a 10 foot section of unguyed 3" Schedule 80 won't hold that without bending. That's why it requires a 4" shaft and mast. Orlando cheapened up the original design, put it on a 20 foot tower where he gets his Santa Anna Winds at 40mph, makes a lot of these videos and thinks anybody else can do the same thing. They can't, and that's not how it works. The bottom line with axial machines is that they only serve a niche market. For most people all they need for off-grid power for wind is one or two of the micro-turbines . All it needs to do is trickle charge the battery bank on those days when the solar panels don't work well. And those micro-turbines are perfect for that. They don't require an expensive tower, you can put up three or four of 'em cheaper than a big axial, and their purpose is not to fully charge a big battery bank like a big axial can do. They provide supplemental power to prevent your battery from sagging on days when the solar doesn't work so you don't have to run your generator. So there is not a viable market for the big axials because they are too expensive. Few can afford the $5,000 to $14,000 it costs to put one up on a proper tower so they work. That is only viable if you live up north where the sun doesn't shine in the winter and you'd be running your generator 8 hours a day without it. There you can pay for a turbine that costs $14 Grand to put up in fuel savings over about 10 years. Otherwise, for hobbyists and people that need off-grid power in the more southern latitudes where the sun still shines in the winter, the smaller micro-turbines are the way to go because they're affordable and do the job for which they are intended. # 1 , there is no viable market for axials. They make poor use of magnetic material compared to radial iron core like our micro-turbines use. So they are excessively expensive, there has never been a viable commercial design based on the axial principle, and they are only suitable for HOMEBREW enthusiasts who need one for off-grid power in the north. #2 The Genesis axial flux wind turbine is not designed correctly. Everything on the Chris Olson DWP350 from the yaw shaft stub, which is 3" Schedule 40, .216" wall, and the yaw on the turbine head frame is 4" ID with a machined thrust flange on the bottom. The stator support is made of 3/16" waterjet cut steel, and not the light-duty little standoff's that Orlan hason the Genesis. Precisely 6 degrees of mainshaft tilt - same dimension used by the Bergey Excel - for blade tip clearance on lattice towers. The tail hinge angles none of which is correct on Orlan's turbine. As you progress thru the pages of Chris Olson's build, you'll see the stacking on the coil windings is perfect to keep THD
+Justin Case The original DWP350 Chris Olson design weighs very close to 300lbs, has a 4" diameter yaw shaft with bottom thrust bearing on the turntable, uses precision machined rotors accurate +/-0.04mm axial runout, the magnets are epoxied to the rotors as well as secured with stainless machine screws, about 3x times more tail area and has a 3.5 meter (11.5 foot) diameter rotor. The Genesis is not the same machine as the DWP350 made by Chris Olson, Chris recommends a Rohn SSV tower for the DWP350 because 2" Schedule 80 pipe won't hold it at 90 feet. In order for a wind turbine to generate power it has to slow the wind going thru the rotor's swept area, and that means thrust. A DWP350 produces about 860 lbs of lateral thrust @ 3.0 kW and even a 10 foot section of unguyed 3" Schedule 80 won't hold that without bending. That's why it requires a 4" shaft and mast. Orlando cheapened up the original design, put it on a 20 foot tower where he gets his Santa Anna Winds at 40mph, makes a lot of these videos and thinks anybody else can do the same thing. They can't, and that's not how it works. The bottom line with axial machines is that they only serve a niche market. For most people all they need for off-grid power for wind is one or two of the micro-turbines . All it needs to do is trickle charge the battery bank on those days when the solar panels don't work well. And those micro-turbines are perfect for that. They don't require an expensive tower, you can put up three or four of 'em cheaper than a big axial, and their purpose is not to fully charge a big battery bank like a big axial can do. They provide supplemental power to prevent your battery from sagging on days when the solar doesn't work so you don't have to run your generator. So there is not a viable market for the big axials because they are too expensive. Few can afford the $5,000 to $14,000 it costs to put one up on a proper tower so they work. That is only viable if you live up north where the sun doesn't shine in the winter and you'd be running your generator 8 hours a day without it. There you can pay for a turbine that costs $14 Grand to put up in fuel savings over about 10 years. Otherwise, for hobbyists and people that need off-grid power in the more southern latitudes where the sun still shines in the winter, the smaller micro-turbines are the way to go because they're affordable and do the job for which they are intended. # 1 , there is no viable market for axials. They make poor use of magnetic material compared to radial iron core like our micro-turbines use. So they are excessively expensive, there has never been a viable commercial design based on the axial principle, and they are only suitable for HOMEBREW enthusiasts who need one for off-grid power in the north. #2 The Genesis axial flux wind turbine is not designed correctly. Everything on the Chris Olson DWP350 from the yaw shaft stub, which is 3" Schedule 40, .216" wall, and the yaw on the turbine head frame is 4" ID with a machined thrust flange on the bottom. The stator support is made of 3/16" waterjet cut steel, and not the light-duty little standoff's that Orlan hason the Genesis. Precisely 6 degrees of mainshaft tilt - same dimension used by the Bergey Excel - for blade tip clearance on lattice towers. The tail hinge angles none of which is correct on Orlan's turbine. As you progress thru the pages of Chris Olson's build, you'll see the stacking on the coil windings is perfect to keep THD
+CrapPolice The original DWP350 Chris Olson design weighs very close to 300lbs, has a 4" diameter yaw shaft with bottom thrust bearing on the turntable, uses precision machined rotors accurate +/-0.04mm axial runout, the magnets are epoxied to the rotors as well as secured with stainless machine screws, about 3x times more tail area and has a 3.5 meter (11.5 foot) diameter rotor. The Genesis is not the same machine as the DWP350 made by Chris Olson, Chris recommends a Rohn SSV tower for the DWP350 because 2" Schedule 80 pipe won't hold it at 90 feet. In order for a wind turbine to generate power it has to slow the wind going thru the rotor's swept area, and that means thrust. A DWP350 produces about 860 lbs of lateral thrust @ 3.0 kW and even a 10 foot section of unguyed 3" Schedule 80 won't hold that without bending. That's why it requires a 4" shaft and mast. Orlando cheapened up the original design, put it on a 20 foot tower where he gets his Santa Anna Winds at 40mph, makes a lot of these videos and thinks anybody else can do the same thing. They can't, and that's not how it works. The bottom line with axial machines is that they only serve a niche market. For most people all they need for off-grid power for wind is one or two of the micro-turbines . All it needs to do is trickle charge the battery bank on those days when the solar panels don't work well. And those micro-turbines are perfect for that. They don't require an expensive tower, you can put up three or four of 'em cheaper than a big axial, and their purpose is not to fully charge a big battery bank like a big axial can do. They provide supplemental power to prevent your battery from sagging on days when the solar doesn't work so you don't have to run your generator. So there is not a viable market for the big axials because they are too expensive. Few can afford the $5,000 to $14,000 it costs to put one up on a proper tower so they work. That is only viable if you live up north where the sun doesn't shine in the winter and you'd be running your generator 8 hours a day without it. There you can pay for a turbine that costs $14 Grand to put up in fuel savings over about 10 years. Otherwise, for hobbyists and people that need off-grid power in the more southern latitudes where the sun still shines in the winter, the smaller micro-turbines are the way to go because they're affordable and do the job for which they are intended. # 1 , there is no viable market for axials. They make poor use of magnetic material compared to radial iron core like our micro-turbines use. So they are excessively expensive, there has never been a viable commercial design based on the axial principle, and they are only suitable for HOMEBREW enthusiasts who need one for off-grid power in the north. #2 The Genesis axial flux wind turbine is not designed correctly. Everything on the Chris Olson DWP350 from the yaw shaft stub, which is 3" Schedule 40, .216" wall, and the yaw on the turbine head frame is 4" ID with a machined thrust flange on the bottom. The stator support is made of 3/16" waterjet cut steel, and not the light-duty little standoff's that Orlan hason the Genesis. Precisely 6 degrees of mainshaft tilt - same dimension used by the Bergey Excel - for blade tip clearance on lattice towers. The tail hinge angles none of which is correct on Orlan's turbine. As you progress thru the pages of Chris Olson's build, you'll see the stacking on the coil windings is perfect to keep THD
Jeff, this video is for educational purposes, but not everyone watching it is aware of that. The fact that the installation does not meet the NEC requirements isn't a big deal for this video, but there is one omission that needs to be mentioned. App power electronics that connect up to a battery bank need an over current device. This is typically a circuit breaker. The Classic in this video does not have that over current device shown. In a real installation you always want to have a breaker that will protect the wiring. Breakers are not designed to protect the electronics, they are meant to keep the wiring from burning down your house. By the way, the Classic does work extremely well with wind turbines. Sometimes you will need a Clipper and sometimes not. The Classic is the only MPPT charge controller available designed to work with wind, but pretty soon we will have the Wind Kid for smaller turbines. Thanks, Robin Gudgel MidNite Solar
I have a breaker installed now. We were just in a hurry to get the video done. Can't wait to get the Wind Kid and try it out. Gary Brown is coming back to the store to re enter the wind turbine parameters into the Classic. We intend on manufacturing the Wind Boss and using the Classic with it.
Gary and Wyatt will be hooking up some relays to it next and reprogramming it. I'll try not to make your controller look bad. If you see any mistakes let me know.
Near the beginning of the video you said we finally got some wind. Have you ever experimented with compressing a larger volume of air toward the blades. This may increase the potential to generate electricity.
MissouriWindandSolar The Bahrain World Trade Center is an extreme example of moving more air towards the blades. An more common example would be the cone around the blades in a jet engine. The front edge of the cone has a larger diameter than the blades of the engine. Not sure if this can be adapted to a wind turbine but it seems interesting.
That thing is pushing some serious volts out. Wonder what the max would be. Did you hook a drill to it before you put it up there? I've been watching muddymuddmann for a couple years now on building one of these. Good job Jeff, keep us posted. And Thanks
The wind here in Chile howls it there such a thing as too much wind for a wind turbine? I am located in the South of Chile and we have a lot of rain at 104" per year, would Solar still be an option for me? How can I determine if either of these systems would work here in Chile?
Jeff, Just my two cents worth but with the ever changing technologies involved in your videos I would really like to see you date or "time stamp" them in some way, not exact just some point of reference. I also was wondering why no dump load in this setup? As always Thanks so much for all the info and keep it coming.
thanks I always look, I've already started the qualification course for Photovoltaic Systems, tools I have learned many things from your video, you are very good regards
Can you produce a chart that predicts output power at typical wind speeds such as 5-25 mph? Watching this video several times I tried to get a feel for the curve and the best I could determine was about 200 watts @ 10mph and 500 watts @ 20mph. I reside in a windy area with average wind speeds of 14mph. For me, this would be a 300-350 watt wind generator.
+Jode Siedschlag It turns out they are just to expensive to build.They are not worth the money at all. There are no commercially built axial flux wind turbines out there for sale in the US ,only the people that try to sell you a book or give you a course on building one yourself.
I don't see you using a contact grease on any of your connections. it weather proofs and lowers resistance quite a bit. you should look in to it. been using it in the HVAC industry for over 20 years. you will find that the power company uses it by the buckets.
Jeff next time say the number on the billboard for the visually impaired viewers that way they can get the number and call pretty sure I can find it but some of them may not be able to thank you
Roger Marlowe Your right about the axial flux wind turbines needing a shroud. This one got ice in it and was shut down for a week until the ice thawed out.
MissouriWindandSolar Maybe something could be done to put electric heat in the shroud or even a sprayer with aircraft deicer. I'm well along with my prototype: see rhmarlowe.com/gallery Having trouble with local steel suppliers. They hate small projects.
Actually the OutBack doesn't work well with wind at all. We designed it! You need special software and Clipper voltage limiters to work with wind. They tried adapting bob's controller for wind about 4 or 5 years ago, but gave up. MPPT for wind is not simple. Robin Gudgel MidNite Solar
MidNite Solar wind I did not know that. I looked into hooking up the Outback controller i have to wind years ago and never tried it, looked to complicated and expensive to me at the time.We didn't spend much time on studying the MidNite Classic when i did this video we were in a hurry to get it hooked up, gotta work and make money ya know. Gary will be back at the shop and we'll be doing a better hookup on your controller. So far i like it and so does Wyatt. Were going to be hooking up one of my wind turbines to it next. Good product.
The 24 volt. My final evaluation of the Air Boss, to expensive to build commercially, to heavy , ice gets in the stator and rotor plates and freezes up, locks the Air Boss up, wooden blades cracked at the end of 6 months.The tower must be 3" pipe minimum.The output not worth the cost of adding a Midnite Classic charge controller = wind turbine and charge controller costs over $3000.00 for a 1400 watt wind turbine.Hugh Piggot promotes this old technology wind turbine because he makes money off the classes he gives on it.This is my experience with a professionally built axial flux wind turbine.
JEFF I WOULD TO SEE THIS HOOKED UP DIRECT TO A GRID TIE INVERTER & SEE HOW MANY WATTS THAT IT CAN PUT BACK IN TO THE GRID AT DIFFERENT SPEEDS I AM INTERESTED IN IT IT MAY BE WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR . MY AVERAGE WIND IN THE SUMMER IS 10 MPH .
My final evaluation of the Air Boss, to expensive to build commercially, to heavy , ice gets in the stator and rotor plates and freezes up, locks the Air Boss up, wooden blades cracked at the end of 6 months.The tower must be 3" pipe minimum.The output not worth the cost of adding a Midnite Classic charge controller = wind turbine and charge controller costs over $3000.00 for a 1400 watt wind turbine.Hugh Piggot promotes this old technology wind turbine because he makes money off the classes he gives on it.This is my experience with a professionally built axial flux wind turbine.
+MissouriWindandSolar The original DWP350 Chris Olson design weighs very close to 300lbs, has a 4" diameter yaw shaft with bottom thrust bearing on the turntable, uses precision machined rotors accurate +/-0.04mm axial runout, the magnets are epoxied to the rotors as well as secured with stainless machine screws, about 3x times more tail area and has a 3.5 meter (11.5 foot) diameter rotor.
The Genesis is not the same machine as the DWP350 made by Chris Olson, Chris recommends a Rohn SSV tower for the DWP350 because 2" Schedule 80 pipe won't hold it at 90 feet.
In order for a wind turbine to generate power it has to slow the wind going thru the rotor's swept area, and that means thrust. A DWP350 produces about 860 lbs of lateral thrust @ 3.0 kW and even a 10 foot section of unguyed 3" Schedule 80 won't hold that without bending. That's why it requires a 4" shaft and mast.
Orlando cheapened up the original design, put it on a 20 foot tower where he gets his Santa Anna Winds at 40mph, makes a lot of these videos and thinks anybody else can do the same thing. They can't, and that's not how it works.
The bottom line with axial machines is that they only serve a niche market. For most people all they need for off-grid power for wind is one or two of the micro-turbines . All it needs to do is trickle charge the battery bank on those days when the solar panels don't work well. And those micro-turbines are perfect for that. They don't require an expensive tower, you can put up three or four of 'em cheaper than a big axial, and their purpose is not to fully charge a big battery bank like a big axial can do. They provide supplemental power to prevent your battery from sagging on days when the solar doesn't work so you don't have to run your generator.
So there is not a viable market for the big axials because they are too expensive. Few can afford the $5,000 to $14,000 it costs to put one up on a proper tower so they work. That is only viable if you live up north where the sun doesn't shine in the winter and you'd be running your generator 8 hours a day without it. There you can pay for a turbine that costs $14 Grand to put up in fuel savings over about 10 years. Otherwise, for hobbyists and people that need off-grid power in the more southern latitudes where the sun still shines in the winter, the smaller micro-turbines are the way to go because they're affordable and do the job for which they are intended.
# 1 , there is no viable market for axials. They make poor use of magnetic material compared to radial iron core like our micro-turbines use. So they are excessively expensive, there has never been a viable commercial design based on the axial principle, and they are only suitable for HOMEBREW enthusiasts who need one for off-grid power in the north.
#2 The Genesis axial flux wind turbine is not designed correctly. Everything on the Chris Olson DWP350 from the yaw shaft stub, which is 3" Schedule 40, .216" wall, and the yaw on the turbine head frame is 4" ID with a machined thrust flange on the bottom. The stator support is made of 3/16" waterjet cut steel, and not the light-duty little standoff's that Orlan hason the Genesis. Precisely 6 degrees of mainshaft tilt - same dimension used by the Bergey Excel - for blade tip clearance on lattice towers. The tail hinge angles none of which is correct on Orlan's turbine. As you progress thru the pages of Chris Olson's build, you'll see the stacking on the coil windings is perfect to keep THD
Pro trick: you can watch movies on Kaldrostream. I've been using them for watching all kinds of movies lately.
@Ira Francisco yea, been watching on KaldroStream for years myself =)
that's addictive watching the wind speed and watts!!!!!!!
Wow that was easy to set up. Looks really good.
Great job Molly and Jeff. Looking forward to the next video. Thanks!
nice Jeff. I would have used a 150 and a clipper you would see higher amps out of the 150. but that is great low wind power there mate :) top Job.
+Justin Case The original DWP350 Chris Olson design weighs very close to 300lbs, has a 4" diameter yaw shaft with bottom thrust bearing on the turntable, uses precision machined rotors accurate +/-0.04mm axial runout, the magnets are epoxied to the rotors as well as secured with stainless machine screws, about 3x times more tail area and has a 3.5 meter (11.5 foot) diameter rotor.
The Genesis is not the same machine as the DWP350 made by Chris Olson, Chris recommends a Rohn SSV tower for the DWP350 because 2" Schedule 80 pipe won't hold it at 90 feet.
In order for a wind turbine to generate power it has to slow the wind going thru the rotor's swept area, and that means thrust. A DWP350 produces about 860 lbs of lateral thrust @ 3.0 kW and even a 10 foot section of unguyed 3" Schedule 80 won't hold that without bending. That's why it requires a 4" shaft and mast.
Orlando cheapened up the original design, put it on a 20 foot tower where he gets his Santa Anna Winds at 40mph, makes a lot of these videos and thinks anybody else can do the same thing. They can't, and that's not how it works.
The bottom line with axial machines is that they only serve a niche market. For most people all they need for off-grid power for wind is one or two of the micro-turbines . All it needs to do is trickle charge the battery bank on those days when the solar panels don't work well. And those micro-turbines are perfect for that. They don't require an expensive tower, you can put up three or four of 'em cheaper than a big axial, and their purpose is not to fully charge a big battery bank like a big axial can do. They provide supplemental power to prevent your battery from sagging on days when the solar doesn't work so you don't have to run your generator.
So there is not a viable market for the big axials because they are too expensive. Few can afford the $5,000 to $14,000 it costs to put one up on a proper tower so they work. That is only viable if you live up north where the sun doesn't shine in the winter and you'd be running your generator 8 hours a day without it. There you can pay for a turbine that costs $14 Grand to put up in fuel savings over about 10 years. Otherwise, for hobbyists and people that need off-grid power in the more southern latitudes where the sun still shines in the winter, the smaller micro-turbines are the way to go because they're affordable and do the job for which they are intended.
# 1 , there is no viable market for axials. They make poor use of magnetic material compared to radial iron core like our micro-turbines use. So they are excessively expensive, there has never been a viable commercial design based on the axial principle, and they are only suitable for HOMEBREW enthusiasts who need one for off-grid power in the north.
#2 The Genesis axial flux wind turbine is not designed correctly. Everything on the Chris Olson DWP350 from the yaw shaft stub, which is 3" Schedule 40, .216" wall, and the yaw on the turbine head frame is 4" ID with a machined thrust flange on the bottom. The stator support is made of 3/16" waterjet cut steel, and not the light-duty little standoff's that Orlan hason the Genesis. Precisely 6 degrees of mainshaft tilt - same dimension used by the Bergey Excel - for blade tip clearance on lattice towers. The tail hinge angles none of which is correct on Orlan's turbine. As you progress thru the pages of Chris Olson's build, you'll see the stacking on the coil windings is perfect to keep THD
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I agree with the below the tail should say "Turbine King"
+CrapPolice The original DWP350 Chris Olson design weighs very close to 300lbs, has a 4" diameter yaw shaft with bottom thrust bearing on the turntable, uses precision machined rotors accurate +/-0.04mm axial runout, the magnets are epoxied to the rotors as well as secured with stainless machine screws, about 3x times more tail area and has a 3.5 meter (11.5 foot) diameter rotor.
The Genesis is not the same machine as the DWP350 made by Chris Olson, Chris recommends a Rohn SSV tower for the DWP350 because 2" Schedule 80 pipe won't hold it at 90 feet.
In order for a wind turbine to generate power it has to slow the wind going thru the rotor's swept area, and that means thrust. A DWP350 produces about 860 lbs of lateral thrust @ 3.0 kW and even a 10 foot section of unguyed 3" Schedule 80 won't hold that without bending. That's why it requires a 4" shaft and mast.
Orlando cheapened up the original design, put it on a 20 foot tower where he gets his Santa Anna Winds at 40mph, makes a lot of these videos and thinks anybody else can do the same thing. They can't, and that's not how it works.
The bottom line with axial machines is that they only serve a niche market. For most people all they need for off-grid power for wind is one or two of the micro-turbines . All it needs to do is trickle charge the battery bank on those days when the solar panels don't work well. And those micro-turbines are perfect for that. They don't require an expensive tower, you can put up three or four of 'em cheaper than a big axial, and their purpose is not to fully charge a big battery bank like a big axial can do. They provide supplemental power to prevent your battery from sagging on days when the solar doesn't work so you don't have to run your generator.
So there is not a viable market for the big axials because they are too expensive. Few can afford the $5,000 to $14,000 it costs to put one up on a proper tower so they work. That is only viable if you live up north where the sun doesn't shine in the winter and you'd be running your generator 8 hours a day without it. There you can pay for a turbine that costs $14 Grand to put up in fuel savings over about 10 years. Otherwise, for hobbyists and people that need off-grid power in the more southern latitudes where the sun still shines in the winter, the smaller micro-turbines are the way to go because they're affordable and do the job for which they are intended.
# 1 , there is no viable market for axials. They make poor use of magnetic material compared to radial iron core like our micro-turbines use. So they are excessively expensive, there has never been a viable commercial design based on the axial principle, and they are only suitable for HOMEBREW enthusiasts who need one for off-grid power in the north.
#2 The Genesis axial flux wind turbine is not designed correctly. Everything on the Chris Olson DWP350 from the yaw shaft stub, which is 3" Schedule 40, .216" wall, and the yaw on the turbine head frame is 4" ID with a machined thrust flange on the bottom. The stator support is made of 3/16" waterjet cut steel, and not the light-duty little standoff's that Orlan hason the Genesis. Precisely 6 degrees of mainshaft tilt - same dimension used by the Bergey Excel - for blade tip clearance on lattice towers. The tail hinge angles none of which is correct on Orlan's turbine. As you progress thru the pages of Chris Olson's build, you'll see the stacking on the coil windings is perfect to keep THD
Great vid! Us newbee's need vids like yours to get us headed in the right direction. Thanks Jeff!!
Real nice output. One day will hook up freedom ii to a minute once I can get a clipper. Great addition to your store.
Jeff, this video is for educational purposes, but not everyone watching it is aware of that. The fact that the installation does not meet the NEC requirements isn't a big deal for this video, but there is one omission that needs to be mentioned. App power electronics that connect up to a battery bank need an over current device. This is typically a circuit breaker. The Classic in this video does not have that over current device shown. In a real installation you always want to have a breaker that will protect the wiring. Breakers are not designed to protect the electronics, they are meant to keep the wiring from burning down your house.
By the way, the Classic does work extremely well with wind turbines. Sometimes you will need a Clipper and sometimes not. The Classic is the only MPPT charge controller available designed to work with wind, but pretty soon we will have the Wind Kid for smaller turbines.
Thanks,
Robin Gudgel
MidNite Solar
I have a breaker installed now. We were just in a hurry to get the video done.
Can't wait to get the Wind Kid and try it out. Gary Brown is coming back to the store to re enter the wind turbine parameters into the Classic.
We intend on manufacturing the Wind Boss and using the Classic with it.
Gary and Wyatt will be hooking up some relays to it next and reprogramming it. I'll try not to make your controller look bad. If you see any mistakes let me know.
This is all beautiful work. Somebody has thrown a LOT of money at this project.
Nice setup Jeff! Sowly getting my setup going with solar first but really looking forward to a wind turbine like this! Good work!
I understand, please share soon in video with your viewers.
enjoy your videos and thanks for sharing so much info with us.
Great video. I must have missed this one.
Interesting Jeff
Thanks Michael
Good job !!! ! ;)
Fantastic result !
Regards Paul P.
looks like this is going to become your best seller wind turbine
It will be a different wind turbine for sale. Those who like the axial flux wind turbines will love it for sure.
Jeff you are the Best
Thanks Jacky
Near the beginning of the video you said we finally got some wind. Have you ever experimented with compressing a larger volume of air toward the blades. This may increase the potential to generate electricity.
No i haven't done that. How would i be able to do that ?
MissouriWindandSolar
The Bahrain World Trade Center is an extreme example of moving more air towards the blades. An more common example would be the cone around the blades in a jet engine. The front edge of the cone has a larger diameter than the blades of the engine. Not sure if this can be adapted to a wind turbine but it seems interesting.
That thing is pushing some serious volts out. Wonder what the max would be. Did you hook a drill to it before you put it up there? I've been watching muddymuddmann for a couple years now on building one of these. Good job Jeff, keep us posted. And Thanks
Is the 4 batteries shown all the battery needed? For some reason I thought you needed a lot more.
The wind here in Chile howls it there such a thing as too much wind for a wind turbine? I am located in the South of Chile and we have a lot of rain at 104" per year, would Solar still be an option for me? How can I determine if either of these systems would work here in Chile?
Jeff, Just my two cents worth but with the ever changing technologies involved in your videos I would really like to see you date or "time stamp" them in some way, not exact just some point of reference. I also was wondering why no dump load in this setup? As always Thanks so much for all the info and keep it coming.
JDLightnin Good idea. We didn't have a dump load at the time we made the video. It's called a clipper that goes with the Midnite
Do you have some sort of jelly or silicone on your positive battery terminal? I'm looking at 2:55 in the vid.
We ran out. I have electrical grease on all the connections now.
bel lavoro Complimenti!!!!
Your welcome Gelu
thanks
I always look, I've already started the qualification course for Photovoltaic Systems, tools I have learned many things from your video, you are very good
regards
looks good
Can you produce a chart that predicts output power at typical wind speeds such as 5-25 mph? Watching this video several times I tried to get a feel for the curve and the best I could determine was about 200 watts @ 10mph and 500 watts @ 20mph. I reside in a windy area with average wind speeds of 14mph. For me, this would be a 300-350 watt wind generator.
Hello, how do you size the tail? if I have blades with a diameter of 2.8, how long should my tail be? the length only at the blade is 1.34m
Best thing to do would be to reach out to our sales team at 417-708-5359 or email sales@windandsolar.com.
You don't sell these anymore?
ya ,, works is perfect apparatus. for home made ac /heheheh
I think the tail should say Turbine king!, can we choose?
Nice.
what about diversion load? where you connect the diversion load?
so what hurricane wind power is offering not a the same as what is in the video, or is hurricane wind power the makers of these air bosses?
How come I don't see the air boss on your web site?
Are you not selling these?
+Jode Siedschlag It turns out they are just to expensive to build.They are not worth the money at all.
There are no commercially built axial flux wind turbines out there for sale in the US ,only the people that try to sell you a book or give you a course on building one yourself.
I don't see you using a contact grease on any of your connections. it weather proofs and lowers resistance quite a bit. you should look in to it. been using it in the HVAC industry for over 20 years. you will find that the power company uses it by the buckets.
***** We use that on all the wind turbine connections. I guess we just for got to on this one.
Jeff next time say the number on the billboard for the visually impaired viewers that way they can get the number and call pretty sure I can find it but some of them may not be able to thank you
Alright, it's 1-417-935-2260
It looks like it needs a shroud of some kind even though the electrical stuff doesn't care about water.
Roger Marlowe Your right about the axial flux wind turbines needing a shroud. This one got ice in it and was shut down for a week until the ice thawed out.
MissouriWindandSolar Maybe something could be done to put electric heat in the shroud or even a sprayer with aircraft deicer.
I'm well along with my prototype: see rhmarlowe.com/gallery
Having trouble with local steel suppliers. They hate small projects.
Why did you decide to go with the midnite over outback charge controller?
The Midnite Classic is meant for wind, the Outback can use wind also but it's difficult to hook up.
Actually the OutBack doesn't work well with wind at all. We designed it! You need special software and Clipper voltage limiters to work with wind. They tried adapting bob's controller for wind about 4 or 5 years ago, but gave up. MPPT for wind is not simple.
Robin Gudgel
MidNite Solar
Thanks for the clarification.
MidNite Solar wind I did not know that. I looked into hooking up the Outback controller i have to wind years ago and never tried it, looked to complicated and expensive to me at the time.We didn't spend much time on studying the MidNite Classic when i did this video we were in a hurry to get it hooked up, gotta work and make money ya know. Gary will be back at the shop and we'll be doing a better hookup on your controller. So far i like it and so does Wyatt. Were going to be hooking up one of my wind turbines to it next. Good product.
Is this the Air Boss 24v 1.4 kw or the Air Boss 120v 1.4 kw?
The 24 volt. My final evaluation of the Air Boss, to expensive to build commercially, to heavy , ice gets in the stator and rotor plates and freezes up, locks the Air Boss up, wooden blades cracked at the end of 6 months.The tower must be 3" pipe minimum.The output not worth the cost of adding a Midnite Classic charge controller = wind turbine and charge controller costs over $3000.00 for a 1400 watt wind turbine.Hugh Piggot promotes this old technology wind turbine because he makes money off the classes he gives on it.This is my experience with a professionally built axial flux wind turbine.
JEFF I WOULD TO SEE THIS HOOKED UP DIRECT TO A GRID TIE INVERTER & SEE HOW MANY WATTS THAT IT CAN PUT BACK IN TO THE GRID AT DIFFERENT SPEEDS I AM INTERESTED IN IT IT MAY BE WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR . MY AVERAGE WIND IN THE SUMMER IS 10 MPH .
how do u get so many subscribers
I guess it's in the content.
Lol I thought all great viewers
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Real nice output. One day will hook up freedom ii to a minute once I can get a clipper. Great addition to your store.