Interactions like that is why the fact that they started saying "base power and toughness" on those cards makes things way more clear. Let's you know instantly that all additive or subtractive effects still apply a lot more obviously than it did before.
Omega myr Last to Charge, last to fall. Alpha myr First to charge, first to fall i used to love these when i was younger, had them in every deck when i were younger.
so just to be clear: Australia has a banned list, but it's the vintage banned list; we also have a points list. (The canadian points list was based on ours, originally). We've been playing highlander since the late 90s. We have 60 cards, we have sideboards.
for your knowledge Alex, the only card to receive an emergency ban was during Urza's Saga block, and that card was Memory Jar. for being busted as all hell, it received and emergency ban 2 weeks after the regular update in Block, Standard, Extended and Legacy. Skullclamp is also busted as all hell, and is likewise banned literally everywhere except vintage and commander lol.
Oh god, layers... It's good that they're working on making it less complicated by using phrases like "base power and toughness". We're not there yet, but I have faith that one day it might all be grokable.
Why is the prowess question that hard? the +1/+1 to target creature (target being self) goes on the stack, then the dance of the skywise goes on. The dance resolves making the creature a 4/4 then the +1/+1 resolves and that creature which is different get +1/+1 until EOT. Am I missing some interaction between base power and toughness? I thought interactions like this are why base power and toughness was changed from simply power and toughness on effects like this.
Please note: They discuss this in the video, but I feel like writing this out will be nice for reference. The point must be made for Prowess + Spells that: 1) Prowess will trigger before the spell finishes resolving. This is only an issue if you're still in the kitchen table mode of spells finishing resolving in their entirety before triggers or other spells start to matter. 2) This is half the reason why base power and toughness is now being used by WotC - base power and/or toughness will overwrite the creature's printed values and characteristic setting abilities. 3) If an ability is lost when the spell FINISHES RESOLVING, you're fine with Prowess, as the trigger will finish resolving first - meaning that the creature will be X+1/Y+1, where X/Y is its original P/T, before becoming 4+1/4+1. This means that you can throw multiple spells on the stack before Dance finishes resolving to have it as, say, 4+6/4+6 if you storm off while its waiting. Remember that the majority of standard legal sets will usually spell out when they intend to have an interesting interaction, and that a creature which is being temporarily affected by effects such as these is still the old card - it isn't being, say, Polymorph'd into a new permanent, it is merely being temporarily affected by other abilities. See also: Reduce in Stature. If someone somehow resolves this at instant speed against a creature with a +1/+1 counter on it, it will be a 1/3, rather than a 0/2.
***** True, but they were in Darksteel (the second set), so he was technically right in saying that they didn't exist in Mirrodin. They would be possible in MMD or MD5 drafts, though.
Grim reminder was designed for mirror matches. Also, its the staple for a unglued shapeshifter deck. U/B grim reminder shapeshifter combo is hilarious.
Myth Realized is like a super sayan. A little tough to get off but it's supremely satisfying when it does. I got it as my promo for dragons pre-release...
sword of fire and ice, and sword of light and shadow were printed in Dark Steel. Umezawa's Jitte was printed in Betrayer's of Kamigawa. Serge was half right though, when Stoneforge Mystic was printed, there wasn't any extremely powerful equipment IN STANDARD. Modern wasn't yet a thing, and Stoneforge wasn't on people's radar for Legacy yet. It wasn't until Scars of Mirrodin, the next block after Zendikar, that Stoneforge went from 0-60 with a quickness (we also lost Jund from the meta at the exact same time)
The fact that (at least at your local scene) highlander allows the Power 9 in any amount is a bit unsettling. Other than that, I'd be down if it weren't for the fact that Commander wasn't so big in the States. (I do love my Nicole Bolas commander deck tho - Grixis 'Walkers!)
So I'm just getting back into the game for the first time since 2004. Although I lived in Australia at the time and I moved to Victoria a year ago. I know Yellowjacket pretty well but none of the people. Nek minit I'm on UA-cam at 1am and I find Friday NIght videos....HOLY SH WTF thats yellowjacket. Then I start recognizing faces ive seen at Gottacon and such and now my mind is blown. So down to start in Highlander, BTW
Peeja The format is a little different. The biggest difference is in the ban list. Canadian Highlander uses a points list with the vintage ban list where as 100 card singleton on MTGO has a ban list separate from the vintage ban list. German highlander also has a ban list but its list is different from the MTGO version.
The reasoning behind why the victoria highlander meta being so diverse isn't necessarily sound. They seem to claim that it is a product of the points list when frankly it is more likely the product of the people who chose to play the format in the relatively small and isolated island city.
Few points. 1. I can't really agree with you condoning the bend test. It's an obsolete method. 2. German HL is definitely not solved. 4C is rampant in German tournaments but there's a lot of successful brewing going on. Bant isn't that popular in GHL anymore. It used to be the go-to archetype in like 2012. You can definitely build and play all of the archetypes Alex listed.
James Rettie Here you go: Canadian Highlander: canadianhighlander.wordpress.com/ European main site: www.magicplayer.org/ European ban list/rules: www.highlandermagic.info/index.php?id=deckkonstruktion Competitive decks (European): www.mtgpulse.com/events-highlander Australian Highlander: www.auseternal.com/7-point-highlander/
I am a German Highlander player and I don't think you give the European Highlander format enough credit. It's way more diverse than you think. Yes, there are a couple of archetypes that are more likely to do well at larger tournaments, like 4cBlood, Jeskai Midrange, RDW... but that doesn't mean that people only play these decks. Especially in small scale local events, the meta is usually far more diverse and people are way more willing to play weird homebrew decks. It also depends largely on what city or country you play in. As far as I know, the Mannheim meta is pretty much dominated by 4cBlood, while the Berlin meta is quite diverse with (usually) a relatively equal distribution of aggro, control, combo and midrange, and the Finnish meta is more combo-oriented. There also have been efforts to promote more diversity by banning cards that showed up in nearly every deck of that color (like Stoneforge Mysic and Natural Order) and unban some build-around and combo cards (like Tolarian Academy and, most recently, Fastbond).
I really wish you would research your history and especially your rules advice better. That Mirrodin Block couldn't have anything to do with Stoneforge's banning in Standard is just obvious, but more importantly: I think inexperienced players will be more confused than educated from your example with Prowess and Dance of the Skywise. You were very underinformed and unclear in what you said. It's actually not that hard: You need to know how triggers and the Stack work. (Must learn for Magic Players) Then there can be no doubt about Prowess triggering and resolving from Dance before Dance even resolves and has any effect. The specific interaction of Power/Toughness SETTING (e.g. "becomes 4/4") effects and and Power/Toughness MODIFYING (e.g. +1/+1) effects is explained in Rules "613.3b Layer 7b" and "613.3c Layer 7c". The "loosing all abilities"-part is obviously (if you understand the stack) irrelevant unless you cast another noncreature spell in that turn and even then everything should be clear for players who know how the stack works.
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Another fantastic episode! Keep up the great work!
Interactions like that is why the fact that they started saying "base power and toughness" on those cards makes things way more clear. Let's you know instantly that all additive or subtractive effects still apply a lot more obviously than it did before.
I know, it seems really obvious
Omega myr Last to Charge, last to fall.
Alpha myr First to charge, first to fall
i used to love these when i was younger, had them in every deck when i were younger.
I think it was :'First to charge first to fight.'
so just to be clear: Australia has a banned list, but it's the vintage banned list; we also have a points list. (The canadian points list was based on ours, originally). We've been playing highlander since the late 90s. We have 60 cards, we have sideboards.
for your knowledge Alex, the only card to receive an emergency ban was during Urza's Saga block, and that card was Memory Jar. for being busted as all hell, it received and emergency ban 2 weeks after the regular update in Block, Standard, Extended and Legacy.
Skullclamp is also busted as all hell, and is likewise banned literally everywhere except vintage and commander lol.
Just checked a few places online, and Australian highlander operates on the vintage ban list as well as a 7 point system.
Oh god, layers... It's good that they're working on making it less complicated by using phrases like "base power and toughness". We're not there yet, but I have faith that one day it might all be grokable.
the flavor text for override is evilly hilarious when you look at knowledge pool.
Why is the prowess question that hard? the +1/+1 to target creature (target being self) goes on the stack, then the dance of the skywise goes on. The dance resolves making the creature a 4/4 then the +1/+1 resolves and that creature which is different get +1/+1 until EOT. Am I missing some interaction between base power and toughness? I thought interactions like this are why base power and toughness was changed from simply power and toughness on effects like this.
Please note: They discuss this in the video, but I feel like writing this out will be nice for reference.
The point must be made for Prowess + Spells that:
1) Prowess will trigger before the spell finishes resolving. This is only an issue if you're still in the kitchen table mode of spells finishing resolving in their entirety before triggers or other spells start to matter.
2) This is half the reason why base power and toughness is now being used by WotC - base power and/or toughness will overwrite the creature's printed values and characteristic setting abilities.
3) If an ability is lost when the spell FINISHES RESOLVING, you're fine with Prowess, as the trigger will finish resolving first - meaning that the creature will be X+1/Y+1, where X/Y is its original P/T, before becoming 4+1/4+1. This means that you can throw multiple spells on the stack before Dance finishes resolving to have it as, say, 4+6/4+6 if you storm off while its waiting.
Remember that the majority of standard legal sets will usually spell out when they intend to have an interesting interaction, and that a creature which is being temporarily affected by effects such as these is still the old card - it isn't being, say, Polymorph'd into a new permanent, it is merely being temporarily affected by other abilities.
See also: Reduce in Stature. If someone somehow resolves this at instant speed against a creature with a +1/+1 counter on it, it will be a 1/3, rather than a 0/2.
Serge's face at 36'48" is priceless. Those are the best moments in Magic.
Also, "FoxNews.card" is srs lulz.
36:48
Sword of fire and ice and sword of light and shadow were released in darksteel, so, the next set
SoFI was printed in original mirrodin block. so was light and shadow. there was good equipment back then
***** True, but they were in Darksteel (the second set), so he was technically right in saying that they didn't exist in Mirrodin. They would be possible in MMD or MD5 drafts, though.
Grim reminder was designed for mirror matches. Also, its the staple for a unglued shapeshifter deck. U/B grim reminder shapeshifter combo is hilarious.
uhhh the link to your deck list website for budget decks isnt linked.....
Myth Realized is like a super sayan. A little tough to get off but it's supremely satisfying when it does.
I got it as my promo for dragons pre-release...
sword of fire and ice, and sword of light and shadow were printed in Dark Steel. Umezawa's Jitte was printed in Betrayer's of Kamigawa.
Serge was half right though, when Stoneforge Mystic was printed, there wasn't any extremely powerful equipment IN STANDARD. Modern wasn't yet a thing, and Stoneforge wasn't on people's radar for Legacy yet. It wasn't until Scars of Mirrodin, the next block after Zendikar, that Stoneforge went from 0-60 with a quickness (we also lost Jund from the meta at the exact same time)
The fact that (at least at your local scene) highlander allows the Power 9 in any amount is a bit unsettling. Other than that, I'd be down if it weren't for the fact that Commander wasn't so big in the States. (I do love my Nicole Bolas commander deck tho - Grixis 'Walkers!)
So I'm just getting back into the game for the first time since 2004. Although I lived in Australia at the time and I moved to Victoria a year ago. I know Yellowjacket pretty well but none of the people.
Nek minit I'm on UA-cam at 1am and I find Friday NIght videos....HOLY SH WTF thats yellowjacket. Then I start recognizing faces ive seen at Gottacon and such and now my mind is blown.
So down to start in Highlander, BTW
Nice call out to Marshall there James.
#PowerSerge Represent! love seeing Serge on these and as such Hi Serge hope you're doing well!
How do the various regional Highlanders compare to MTGO's 100 Card Singleton format? I don't hear people talk about it much.
Peeja The format is a little different. The biggest difference is in the ban list. Canadian Highlander uses a points list with the vintage ban list where as 100 card singleton on MTGO has a ban list separate from the vintage ban list. German highlander also has a ban list but its list is different from the MTGO version.
The return of the TapTapConcede sideboard.
I run Tainted Pact in my Vaevictis Asmadi EDH deck, which is perfect singleton. Just 3 basics for me, as nobody in my group punishes nonbasics atm.
Hah, HIGHlander. I get it. Happy 4-20 everyone :p
12:03 ii says play not cast so lands count
Chad Boogo It also says "nonland card" so lands don't count.
dam it is worthless but it could be a good side board if your against a deck that has the same bombs as you
The reasoning behind why the victoria highlander meta being so diverse isn't necessarily sound. They seem to claim that it is a product of the points list when frankly it is more likely the product of the people who chose to play the format in the relatively small and isolated island city.
Did they say commander doesn't have a sideboard? Official commander rules allow a 10 cards sideboard. due to legal cards "searching outside the game"
gcsmith They "did" allow 10 card sides. That rule is suspended currently.
All the four cards Alex pronounced are great In standard
disarm would be great against a kemba, kha regent deck
wormskin forger is in my MTGO roon commander deck its funny to get 3 1/1s on your commander every turn.
Few points.
1. I can't really agree with you condoning the bend test. It's an obsolete method.
2. German HL is definitely not solved. 4C is rampant in German tournaments but there's a lot of successful brewing going on. Bant isn't that popular in GHL anymore. It used to be the go-to archetype in like 2012. You can definitely build and play all of the archetypes Alex listed.
Can someone give me a link to a highlander list of competitive decks/ deckbuilding rules?
James Rettie Here you go:
Canadian Highlander: canadianhighlander.wordpress.com/
European main site: www.magicplayer.org/
European ban list/rules: www.highlandermagic.info/index.php?id=deckkonstruktion
Competitive decks (European): www.mtgpulse.com/events-highlander
Australian Highlander: www.auseternal.com/7-point-highlander/
oneinfinity or facebook.com/groups/266315333384411/ or www.auseternal.com/ for australian highlander.
Did someone say "Judge's Corner?" :)
I am a German Highlander player and I don't think you give the European Highlander format enough credit. It's way more diverse than you think. Yes, there are a couple of archetypes that are more likely to do well at larger tournaments, like 4cBlood, Jeskai Midrange, RDW... but that doesn't mean that people only play these decks.
Especially in small scale local events, the meta is usually far more diverse and people are way more willing to play weird homebrew decks. It also depends largely on what city or country you play in. As far as I know, the Mannheim meta is pretty much dominated by 4cBlood, while the Berlin meta is quite diverse with (usually) a relatively equal distribution of aggro, control, combo and midrange, and the Finnish meta is more combo-oriented. There also have been efforts to promote more diversity by banning cards that showed up in nearly every deck of that color (like Stoneforge Mysic and Natural Order) and unban some build-around and combo cards (like Tolarian Academy and, most recently, Fastbond).
Grim Reminder seems sick in the burn mirror xD
I thought Victorian Highlander was 14 points, like in earlier podcasts. Now they're saying it's 7. Clarification please!!!
What level judge is Serge?
SnowToad Out of the context of their conversation I'd say he's a level 1 judge
I wonder how modern would be without a ban list
Enchantress is *technically* GW Control.
Alex predicted 2020 confirmed
JOHNNY REQUIRES ALEX DEKRIST NOW!!!!
when talking about no good equipment i think ur forgeting about a 1 drop equipment in the set after this called scullclamp lol
Commodore Hustle anyone?
this filler comment is here so no one can say first.
dont hate pls
masseman5 Frist.
masseman5 thanks i guess
I really wish you would research your history and especially your rules advice better. That Mirrodin Block couldn't have anything to do with Stoneforge's banning in Standard is just obvious, but more importantly: I think inexperienced players will be more confused than educated from your example with Prowess and Dance of the Skywise. You were very underinformed and unclear in what you said. It's actually not that hard: You need to know how triggers and the Stack work. (Must learn for Magic Players) Then there can be no doubt about Prowess triggering and resolving from Dance before Dance even resolves and has any effect. The specific interaction of Power/Toughness SETTING (e.g. "becomes 4/4") effects and and Power/Toughness MODIFYING (e.g. +1/+1) effects is explained in Rules "613.3b Layer 7b" and "613.3c Layer 7c". The "loosing all abilities"-part is obviously (if you understand the stack) irrelevant unless you cast another noncreature spell in that turn and even then everything should be clear for players who know how the stack works.
Max Power serge is a judge he knows how the stack works