It's so weird that some people assume playing a game means you have to play it forever. Sometimes 3 months is enough time to enjoy a game and move on. Too many people identify as the game they play. Like "I'm an FF14 player" instead of "I'm playing FF14 RIGHT NOW"
Especially when the makers of the game noted that its ok to be seasonal member of FFXIV. Play the content for 3 month and then go hiatus till the new content released.
Cope with what? From my understanding of the word "cope" it means finding ways to mentally or emotionally deal with trauma and move forward with your life. I don't know how that applies here. Forgive my ignorance if that word is some other internet slang that I don't know.
Asmon's playthrough was like watching a soap opera every evening, it was the most fun I've had watching anyone on Twitch. I hope he comes back to finish the story and high level raids one day and experience it to the fullest.
Agreed. I started playing around the same time as him and enjoyed FFXIV immensely. Eventually got caught up to current content and grew bored. I’m now taking a break and haven’t logged in for weeks, yet I’m still looking forward to going back when it has more stuff for me to do. Breaks are okay… and quitting games you’ve tried and don’t love anymore is okay too! Not sure why some people get so threatened by that notion.
@@vulgaritar48 Same man. Got almost 3k Hours in 1.5 Years, cleared my first Ultimate and got completely burned out. Haven't played. In almost 6 Month.
I can’t speak for everyone, but most of us in the community were let down that you got dog piled by a few elitist jerks. You made MSQ so fun to watch, and we wanted you to have that whole journey with us. No hard feelings though. We appreciate the energy you brought to the community and the way you continue to speak positively about your experience.
Amen! I'll admit that I hatewatched his stream the morning he started because I always saw him as "the toxic WoW elitist" but I was very happy to see just how much fun he had experiencing the story and I really wish we could see him take it all the way through to the end!
Yeah, it was bullshit. I heard asmongold from the calls to basically harass him off FFXIV. So I checked him out after hearing he was "toxic". Then I checked him out and I found he's a bit rough around the edges, but he's a good dude. He has some opinions that some people find controversial but I think he's a decent dude.
Asmon, if you're reading this- you came to my wedding back when you played- I would personally LOVE to see you wrap up Stormblood and get into Shadowbringers. It's an absolutely top tier expansion with an incredible story that I'm 100% positive you will enjoy. I realize it's not react content or drama, but from a video game perspective, it's a must-play.
@@caiuscosades8538 personally I cried like a baby a number of times during endwalker and found it to be a deeply personal story as good as any of the best the final fantasy has offered. I'm a final fantasy fan though so take that into consideration.
@@caiuscosades8538 while i dont think endwalker is bad, shadowbringers beats it in every aspect. Imo endwalker has problems with pacing and some of the plot lines are unneccesarily prolonged. That being said, i think that moments in e***s region were on par with highlights of Shb.
I'd just like to watch asmon react to the story and raids and stuff in later content because of how better they get from the expansions he already played. Couldn't care less if he sticks to the game, actually I think it's better if he plays other games so that we get the most diverse type of content out of him.
He didn’t want to turn into Final Fantasy stream channel, that’s one of the reason why he doesn’t stream FF14 much, he will eventually play the game again but whenever he wants
@@Ryotsu2112 Same, I usually jump from online to online game with the ocasional single player game like elden ring or the new RE4. I already have a maxed out character in 14 and being a casual I feel fine coming back to the game every couple of months to do new content and thats it.
I found the most enjoyment just watching him experience the story and get to love all the characters I fell in love with. I would rather just see MSQ and nothing else
I've played WoW for 14 years, I am playing FF14 for 8 years now and if there's one thing I give a fuck about, it's what someone else has in the game or is doing. Streamer or not as long as someone doesn't in the game actively harms me, I don't give a damn how he does something, what he got or how he gets things.
People get so obsessed over who has the best parses, who gets the best gear, who has the best guild, who plays the best faction, and they value their own and others' accomplishments in the game as something to lord over other players. Meanwhile I just got home after working a 10 hour shift and just want to play the game and hang out with friends. I'm glad I've got a guild that's chill, but the PUG life is awful cause of these people and their toxic mindset for the game.
yeah bro it happens in every online game, i played for like 25 years hundreds of games and it always the same :/ during the arcade and consoles times it was legit because you achieved things by your own and it was hard as hell sometimes, but now is totally different:/ we have mods, cheaters, and so on THAT some people just get frustrated and mad because they cant get the same... i mean, lots of younger people dont get it, nothing is the same as in the past so why trying to be the best in anygame? even a kid cheating can be better than you now... Just enjoy the GAME and have a fun time, it is not real life... sorry i just get crazy how some people get obsessed with a game.... regards
I agree with you there but it's also when terminology gets confused. I find most WoW transplants don't know FF terminology or don't learn it until later.
I'd love to see Asmon someday come back and finish the MSQ. I'm really interested to hear his thoughts on the story and some of its themes, especially in Shadowbringers and Endwalker. I started watching him when he first started playing and never really watched anyone on Twitch until then and I've found a lot of entertaining streamers that I enjoy watching so that's a huge bonus.
I liked when Asmon played FFXIV because of his comments he makes throughout the story. It was funny when he did content too, I hope he plays it again one day.
Like Asmon didn't get flamed for "being carried" when he was doing KSM or getting glad, or when he got mats/gold for honing in LA. This is not a game community issue, it's just a streamer issue in ANY game. Any more than that is jumping on the "wholesome community btw" bandwagon, but hey, FFXIV is in a content lull so I guess this gives more clicks.
I don't think Arthar is being disingenous here, but I think he's really biased from his perspective as a raider. Like, the people that are super welcoming and friendly during the MSQ are just not going to be the same people sticking around for hours a day of savage/ultimate prog. Of course someone doing post MSQ raiding is gonna attract more toxicity than a casual story stream. That's just the nature of endgame content, in MMOs especially.
Content lull? That only matters for people who have finished the content. If he wanted clicks he could just play the game, FFXIV fans are starved for content right now. That's why there's so many "controversies" lately, people have nothing to talk about so they just make shit up.
I never played WoW, but I'm one of Asmon's mythical female watchers who just enjoys his takes. I saw him playing FF14 and realized that it had a slow start and I could learn to play this kind of mmorpg too! I've never looked back since. I love FF14 and my catboi... and I am thankful to Asmon for trying it out on stream and giving me a hint of what it was like. Of course, I hope he returns to finish the MSQ, but I believe in everyone taking breaks and doing what they are interested in. A large majority of us are taking breaks ourselves, touching grass, and enjoying FF14 in our own individual ways. I hope everyone will fight this "all or nothing" rhetoric and rediscover creative productivity outside of gaming.
I’ve been playing since Asmon started back in 2021, he got me interested in giving it a shot and I’ve played ever since. Anyone else in the same boat? This “community” referred to in the video is such a small percent of the player base that are just loud and weird, the normal players and content enjoyers would love to see Asmon play again with no expectations. For me I just want to see Asmon play through the game he himself got so many players to start playing. While unlikely I’ll keep a sliver of hope 😅
I've been playing long before he started but when he did, I found his channel and followed him ever since cause all his content is fun. I'm glad he brought new people to this game, I befriended people in game that are ex-wow because of Asmon. He doesn't have to play if he doesn't want to, I don't really understand why some ffxiv players are upset by it tbh. If he prefers WoW, I don't see what's wrong with that.I also saw people saying things like "he's getting carried" and slagging off streamers, sadly the guy is right. They did get jealous of the clears lol. It's kinda the reddit and twitter communities that are ruining it for people, never seems to happen in game. I'm kinda embarrassed of the social media ffxiv crowd tbh, rather toxic.
@@puddingway9231 Honestly it comes down to tribalism in my eyes, a minority of FFXIV players are very tribal and it's either you're one of us or against us, and sadly those tend to be the people mostly engaged in any content surrounding the game too, same people who if they see Asmon at FanFest might be likely to approach him with the intent only to be nasty and nothing else. You're on point about it mostly being the social media people who are doing it, been playing since 2017 and I've met one single person who actively dislikes Asmon, and it's a terminally online loser who does nothing but watch FF content and doesn't even have a job, just sits on social media all day tweeting about the game and the community, it sadly wouldn't surprise me if the rest who act like that were the exact same.
The devs themselves say to take breaks and just come back when there’s new patch updates or a new expansion entirely I forget who said it but someone said something like “they probably keep so many players because they don’t try to keep their players” And just from asmon giving the game a shot and showing it off, there was a huge spike in players during the biggest downtime the game has probably ever had
@@masterpain7742 I didn't say anything about him still playing it, just that him playing *period* got a ton of people to come try the game and gave it a huge spike during a big downtime period If he comes back or not I don't really mind, he seems much happier sticking with wow and reactions
Die hard wow player here!.. But holy shiiit!!! His FFXIV streams was the funniest shit i have ever watched with him! It was 10h of non-stop laughs! Man it could cure cancer! Good times! 🥰
Difference between most communities in this game and my own community i created around barding is, most other communities are elitist and around making the community leaders rich in game, whereas my own community lead mostly by myself was lead by someone who would help anyone else wanting to play music but not knowing how have me within 5 mins sort out their keyboard, give them the midi files for songs they want and teach them how to use timing etc.. and on top of that it was not about making money, it was about making enjoyment for people, i always had only a few hundred Gil at most on my main because of this, and any time i made gil through actual game content i almost imediately spent it on making my free company private room better, and spending it on my friends houses who where being used as nightclubs by the nighttime community of DJ's. We had such a blast to be honest, and it was mostly fun doing community driven content, where elitism was less of an issue. Getting involved in any of the various cliques who i had friends within just caused issues, and ended up with me spending too much time sorting them out to stop it effecting my bard community.. needless to say ive had to take ever increasing breaks from the game, with this last one being a few months this time rather than a week or two. I bet that when i go back massive divides will have formed and the community will be totally different, hell i took a two week break and came back once to a community completely different and the bard community on the server had almost died because of it. Spent a month trying to rebuild it, but found rather than trying to sort out the divides i was having more luck just picking up newer people to join the community as those pathetic divides over things that where trivial where just two strong a divide, and whats worse is those divides where caused by one or two individuals who for almost no reason just wanted to cause drama over nothing. Strong personalities on entitled people can destroy communities easier than it takes to build up a community, even if that community has a strong foundation.
The irony is, only the loud parts of the community is exactly as Arthars described. The rest of us could give so little of a shit to the point that people don't even know who Asmon, Preach or any of these streamers are. My FC and several of my Crossworld Linkshells are so full of casual people, when I make a meme joke from when Asmon played (such as the Asmon swap or "family"), people get thoroughly confused.
Honestly that's how the communities for most games are. Hell, most THINGS, media or not. The jerks are always the loudest, because everyone else just wants to enjoy things and thus won't be complaining loudly.
FF14 has one of the most toxic communities i've come accross, and it's toxicity is only amplified by the false positive and welcoming image they put out.
FF14 community is a giant honey trap. They look nice and welcoming but you just need to skim the UA-cam comments of FFXIV players to see how they really are. They will gaslight you into thinking all communities are just like them or worse, but any sane person who has played more than one game will tell you that's not true. To this date it's the only community that makes witchhunting every WFR a pastime. League is less toxic.
Asmon certainly had a very interesting presentation for the MSQ and it was quite enjoyable. His and Preach's reactions to the MSQ were my favorites. Hope he completes it one day (would also be interesting to see his reaction to stuff like Hildabrand). Might be a while until there is a games/content lul before he has the time to dump a bunch of time into more.
Most of the ff14 community that watches ff14 content doesn't do savage/ultimates if they did they would know it is very hard to actually carry someone that person needs to have some level of skill. does it make it easier when 7/8 of the people have cleared the content and know their rotation with a blindfold? yes but it doesn't mean that 8th person can stand in 1 spot and do fuck all.
@@ZarathosDaimaoh yeah there are a lot of savage mechanics that will wipe the whole party by just 1 person messing up i'm not saying savage is hard by any means but, i am saying they require a lot of personal responsibility. but yeah always gotta keep it into perspective only around 10-20% of players do savage ON content and less than that complete the whole thing so most people haven't cleared it themselves but also want to talk shit.
Honestly, the only WoW Streamer who came in that I actually think was bad for the community, is Pyromancer. Didn't know much about him beforehand, but the amount of brainless tyrades followed by half-baked "I apologize, I'll do better" tweets (which of course are undercut by his other tweets actively picking fights with anyone who dares disagree with him). He seems to be aware of his own mental instability while simultaneously putting himself in situations that are bad for his mental state. I don't get it.
@@ZarathosDaimaoh Yeah... "It's not about the chair, it's about racism! Well it's not about racism, it's about discrimination! Well it's not about discrimination, it's about the idea! Well..."
You don't become a FF14 streamer. You stream the MSQ like any other single player game and then you stop streaming it and you play it on your own time, if you want. That's where Arthars should have drawn the red line.
This does not just apply to FFXIV. It's okay to play other games and come back that's the way I treat every other MMO. I do that with FFXIV and Destiny 2. Once I play the new content I take a break and play console games and come back later. It's ridiculous that people can't do that without other saying they quit the game.🙄🙄
@@enderfawx3063 exactly I basically do a game roulette it keeps the game fresh or else you get burnout. There's way too many exciting game experiences to stick to one. 😁🤘
FF XIV is not immune to elitist jackholes; a lot of players in big online games get pissed super easy for the mildest offenses from the famous because theu take so much ownership over these games.
I think Asmon doing Savage tier raids would be some of the best content he could possibly offer ATM. Aside from being hugely rewarding he gets to demonstrate his MMO skill and play some badass fights. Also his MSQ streams are top tier. He's in a lul with StB rn but the second he gets to Post-StB it'll be all go.
Quickest way to get Asmon to react to your video- put him in the thumbnail. I will say, as an FFXIV player since the relaunch of ARR, the FFXIV community in game is fantastic. The FFXIV community on social media and Twitch? Fucking toxic. Unless it's your forever game most people will hound you until you play it again and it's embarrassing.
This guy might have made the most completely based video with regards to anything in FF14. "Why do you guys think Preach grew hair again?! Why do you think Asmon is balding?! BECAUSE ASMON CROSSED THE LINE!!!" I'm absolutely lovin' this guy! Certainly helps that he's actually pretty god damn on point, too.
I knew jack squat about FF when Asmon started playing the MSQ back in the day. But I enjoyed it so much that I actually watched all of it and even anticipated the next episode. It was peak Asmongold content in my eyes.
Arthar's take is hugely exaggerated imo, pyromancer was looking for drama and he found it and rich's situation was mostly aggravated by the community of the streamers he g̶o̶t̶ ̶c̶a̶r̶r̶i̶e̶d̶ ̶b̶y̶ raided with, not the actual regular player. Asmon was genuinely well received by the community because he actually gave the game a chance and seemed like an actual likeable person, which he is. I personally knew about him, but would never watch his content because it didn't interest me, but it was very nice to watch someone come from such a different game and seem like he was having fun again.
For me the reason why I quit ff14 was because I got too invested in it. The world and the characters become my life and I was neglecting everything else irl. It feels great when I play the game but after each session I was getting into a very empty and disconnected state.
Same here! That's happening to me right now. I feel disgusted because of how much time I put into this game instead of spending it with my family or friends, or just other games in general. I love the game, it's my all time favorite. But I need a break.
Every MMO community is filled with people who have no time for any other game and see it as treason to play anything else. Just look at all the drama now that most streamers have stopped playing dragonflight after the honeymoon period ended.
But they know that they are gonna go back to wow with the new patch unlike FF unfortunately. Relatively new mmos are yet to break through this boundary
Man, this sure as shit sounds a hell of a lot like "First World Streamer Problems." It's a game. A GAME. This shit is not that serious for 90% of the player base. Play it if you want. Don't if you don't. Take a break if the content is in a lull, go play another game. Come back if you want, or don't. No one cares... And the people that do care about whether or not a streamer plays a video game, well, let's just say that it is a pretty damn good sign that person has Z E R O problems going on in their life if THAT is an issue. People worried about employment or finances or feeding their families give Z E R O fucks about streamers playing games. I swear, some people need to actually grow up because even though they may be in their 30's they still have the mind of a toddler.
I've never gone out of my way to help people in XIV because i;'m bored. I help because I genuinely enjoy helping. I've often had a ton of other stuff I had to do that ended up getting put on hold because a new player needed help with something.
I don’t think that’s true. Content creators and viewers are in a bubble while most people don’t even consume this type of content, they just play the game. Content creators may boost player numbers for a whie tho which happened with FF14 for sure, but the game still has a healthy number of players.
To be honest, I enjoy watching Asmon playing FF14 MSQ. However, I don't really care about the gear that much in FF14 than I was in WOW. I think it's because of the Synchronize system that is in place of the FF14. That even if you have a God like gear you don't really feel it, but it's ok. I am used to it now. What I am trying to say is that Asmon can just complete his MSQ and leave the rest if he doesn't feel like it. There are a lot of streamers that plays MSQ and once his or her MSQ is complete, they just left and play other games and come back when there are updates or new story lines.
TBH, as an FFXIV player, this is pretty fair. I know I'm guilty of looping the first half at least and giving preferential treatment to those I run content with and push through the slowness of the early game to the newer player when given the choice. Worth a note that each end every one of these stages has a chance of being a different subgroup of people (so those in step 2 aren't necessarily the same people in step 5 for example), but this is a pretty fair birds-eye view.
Here's the streamer experience of FFXIV: 1. Start playing the game and get insane welcoming and support 2. Continue through the msq and have a lot of fun and support. 3. Finish msq and get dumped by the majority of the community as they move on to another streamer.
The bottom line is this, FFXIV is a game and a community that never really needed "content creators". Most of the "community" streamers talk about don't give a single care about any of them beyond who makes good guides and I feel like a lot of streamers don't know how to deal with a community that doesn't perpetually seal clap everything they say or do. I wouldn't hold Arthars up as a good judge of such things anyhow, he's always been at odds and is coming from a place of bias.
I still can hope and dream Asmon will play FFXIV again even though I know it's not gonna happen. It's what got me into watching him In the first place.
Addiction is real... They CANNOT stop themselves from playing WOW... It's just NOT possible. Doesn't matter how much Blizzard abuses them, how much Blizzard openly mocks them... They will ALWAYS come back... WOW Payers: "Thank You Blizzard, may I have another!?"
I just would like to see Asmon return to the game for the MSQ. I love watching streamer reactions to the MSQ. It's a joy to see others go through all the same emotions I did when I did the MSQ. That's really all I like to watch when it comes to FF14 streaming. Don't care for raid content.
I don't mind asmon playing other games, but I want to see him finishing the game when the new graphical update comes out. Asmon's ff14 msq contents are really enjoyable I hope to see them more.
@@vankal2127 No. The update will be for pretty much everything. That said, the lighting rework might be something that is rolled out over older content over time as updating lighting would likely be more intensive than the other aspects of the rework like the materials and texture upgrades.
Final Fantasy XIV is a fun game, but it's different from other MMORPGs in that I don't really feel like you're supposed to keep playing it the entire expansion. The content is very easy to get into and it's not punishing at all to get out either. It's just not comparable to a game like WoW, where the design goal is to keep you playing all the time. Either option is fine, both games have their own strengths. There were many times were I'd hoped for a mode similar to Mythic+ when I was bored in FFXIV for the lack of gear progression outside of raids, and there were times when I played WoW and felt really left behind because I missed a few months of content with no easy way of catching up and playing with friends. Ultimately it comes down to what you enjoy, and you don't even have to pick between the games. Ultimately the best FFXIV experience for the average player would probably be finishing the story, the EX trials, some Savage fights and maybe an Ultimate if they really wanna put themselves through some pain, and then returning for the next big expansion. There is just very little reason to stay subscribed for 2+ years, and the devs keep telling people that yet some players don't listen and get burnt out or complain about lack of grindable content. I think these are just two philisophies crashing.
About the bigger streamers getting carried..... yes they absolutely get carried. And it's not even about their personal skill, some of them are good from the getgo. The thing is they get handed a capable group and perfect learning environment for harder content immediately without any doubt or discussion and hardly ever get dragged down by the failure of other players. Combine that with almost unlimited time to play the game if they decide to do so and they are bound to succeed easily. No one should hate them for it but if streamers think they don't get carried doing hard content they are in denial. Depending on the game I would assume a normal player would have to put in about 3 to 5 times the time and effort as a big streamer to beat the same content. The whole situation can easily make people jealous, especially if they have limited time playing the game cos of work. Getting mad about it doesn't help them either though, that's the sad truth.
Personally I just wanna see Asmond experience the MSQ plus whatever antics he does next like the raids or rp venues lol. Tbh I can see him coming back to the game for 7.0 because of the graphics updates, its the only thing he emphasizes the most when FFXIV comes up and is my guess is what he looks forward to the most aside from meeting the community in Fan Fest.
Um like I’m not disagreeing with this guys opinion, because I’m not a fukn streamer I just play 14… before I started 14 I played swtor for a very long time, and in swtor all I did was raid with my guild and pvp at that point, I’d already finished everything else the game had. Then my friend convinced me to try 14…. Going from an mmo where your already in endgame, a game you know how to play and your really fukn good at playing, to a game where you have to wait through base and 3 long ass expansions to get to the current end point is a fukn commitment man. I been playing 14 for a year now and I just finished stormblood, I’m not even up to fukn shadowbringers yet man. It gets frustrating and yes sure the story only gets better, but that doesn’t suddenly wipe out the fact that every time I finish another expansion I have to quit for a month or so just to prepare myself for the absolute shitload of random shit I just know I’m gunna get involved in doing before I even get to the next expansion…. It’s just a lot man. The game is massive, and everything is locked behind the story, not saying that’s a bad thing but it’s just tiring even if you love it.
Generally FF14 players are pretty chill and play a bunch of other games themselves. I think a lot of the bad experience was from a few of the crazy neckbeards who make FF14 their life, and some bad actors from the WoW side that were angry you had left them for FF14.
Everyone has their own reason to play. Our own experiences with the community also depends on who or which sub-communities we associate or interact with. I’ve been playing on and off since 2020, sometimes taking almost a year off, play for 2 months, then quit again. Right now I’m hanging out with people I met from another game and we’re practicing tackling the harder contents. No pressure, just playing.
The reason i started to play this game was due to Asmon tbh, and its sad that he never came back. I remember that it was my highlight of the day. It was like you know when there is a good movie on the tv you get all hyped? thats how i felt everytime he came online to stream FF. What happend last year was very sad, where he sed he is comming back and then he barely played. I know he does 90% reaction stuff these days, but i hope he one day starts to play the game again. Shadowbringer and Endwalker are the two best expansions ever in an MMO game and i would love seeing him play through them. btw im a WoW player so i might be in a minority, but back when Asmon played FF i did it too, but i did go through all MSQ and finished Endwalker.
Even Yoshi-P and his dev team have said (paraphrasing): "Are you bored of our game and want to play something else? Go ahead and do it! We created our game so you can have fun with it, not to imprission you in it. We want to respect your time!".
yeah there are plenty of this kinda shit they put in the game. don't get me wrong, I love the game, but all that "we respect your time" shit is just hypocrisy.
They said this in STORMBLOOD which at the time had butt loads of content everywhere. In Endwalker it's a corporate lie to disguise the facts that they don't respect your money.
I really wish that asmon just do the MSQ and finish Shadowbringers, that expansion was so good, I wanna see his reaction and review the story, I hope he likes it
This is not really accurate. There's a large part of the community that only watch MSQ. Most of the viewers leaves by the time you finish the MSQ and start Savage.
I get the community though, watching a big streamer play is like having a celebrity come by and just sweep you. It's like being at a bronze tier airport lounge and thinking "Hey it's actually pretty nice here, I really wish my inspiration could come here and hang out", and then they show up with a posse of 50 people and a a million paparazzi and are given a triple platinum ultra-lounge with free champagne and a complimentary all-you-can-eat gold-encrusted buffet. Like yeah sure, nice to have you but like... the privelege leaves a bitter taste to be sure. Watching someone clear an ultimate when they've never even seen a raid before because they get a free group of 7 triple legend raiders who've raided every week for the last 6 years just because they're famous is like... imo fairly cheap and upsetting. Agree or disagree, that's how I feel at least.
While I absolutely enjoyed watching Asmon add his own brand of humor to the MSQ and wish that those streams continued a bit longer, I also think FFXIV (in general) isn't the type of game for him.
People complaining about streamers getting all the advantages and getting carried should just be streamers themselves and see how much effort it takes to be sociable and relatable enough for other people to want to play with you. It's a skill in and of itself, and these losers are just experiencing the usual "skill issue" conundrum and they hate streamers for it.
Asmongold talking about the ease of FFXIV's MSQ is like someone who only read the Hobbit talking about how easy it was to read the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy.
I played FF14 for nearly 2 years after Shadowlands completely shit the bed for me (just before Nathria launched). Best 2 years of my time in gaming. Met some Amazing people, built an incredible community, had a total blast. Burnout happens, guys.
I actually tried ff14, but I really couldn't enjoy the feel of fighting in the game. If playing a magic character it's amazing with the great light shows, but playing a character that does physical damage like archer... yikes was not at all satisfying yo watch as pressed buttons. I was definitely spoiled by WoW's great gameplay when it came to fighting.
People just want the react content to the MSQ, I don’t think most of the people that want for Asmon to play ffxiv care for him to stay after the msq react
Been playing since 2.0 on and off, only just now realizing how much drama goes on. Never knew about the lalafell drama until now, never knew about questionable players privating their accounts until now. God.. now I wish I was back under my rock haha.
@@notfound8014 yeah, cuz i was like... what the heck...???? It does makes for good popcorn entertainment material. especially while crafting/gathering or just leveling. haha.
I don't think the 14 community is any worse than any other mmo community. It feels like he problem is that we have 4 to 5 thousand incredibly crazy people that go from stream to stream and do nothing else but play 14.
I think it feels worse than it is because of how welcoming it is to newer players. It can be really jarring to start the game with random people gifting you or offering to help or laughing off your mistakes; but the second you lose your sprout symbol the entire dynamic shifts. If you haven't found an active and close knit FC before you lose your sprout symbol, you're gonna have a roooough time.
@@sway_onthetrail I think that all depends on the people. I've been in the same FC for 10 years now and we always accept new people regardless of skill to see if they fit in. Very little drama, quite a few of us have gold parses in different fights.
@Oscar Alvarenga He's Singaporean so his 1st language may not be English, and if it is, the accent is still influenced by people around him. Not everyone has the same accent after all, and that includes native English speakers (American, British, Australian).
Honestly, I was just disappointed when Asmon stopped playing ffxiv. It's okay that there's other stuff to do, since he's a content creator and all, and people in the community can be dumb. I just wanted to see his reactions to the story, but I'm happy enough that he gave the game a fair shot.
i got bored on my main character because everything got kinda stale for me so i made an alt to experience the story again, and focus more on glamour than fighting / MSQ 🤷🏾♀️ FF14 is what you make it
The FF14 community wasn't like this until the game became popular and had a surge of new players. When something becomes mainstream, sadly all the rats come too.
I'm still hoping Asmon goes back and finishes the FFXIV story. I want to see him react to some of my favorite storytelling in video games ever. I legitimately think he would probably be crying like the rest of us in Endwalker. xD
Damn. Sounds like I need to be a streamer for FFXIV in order to get the proper experience doing content. The worst part about doing content with randos isn't needing to wait for someone to understand mechanics (though that can be a factor) it's the lack of patience and perseverance to get through the whole encounter. I can't tell you how many times people will refuse to learn and expect to be carried. It's why statics are practically mandatory at this point.
I understand how it might look on a surface level but I have my doubts that the people in the community being supportive are the same people being toxic, they are not a monolith.
I think that the base trials are there just for the main story. Like, it's easy to do, somewhat hard because you're supposed to be leveling up, getting stronger, blah, blah, blah and the base trials are there just to help you progress through the story. The harder trials/raids/whatevers exist for those who actually enjoy having a challenge instead of just watching a story.
I would like to see him at least finish the story, idc if he does the raids and trials and such, but at least finish the story. Especially if he says he would go to Fan Fest(although he could just be trolling).
someone needs to show him the arthars video about him talking about how its literally impossible to be carried in a current ultimate. You can absolutely be carried in the old ones. TOP? That shit is perfectly tuned in a way that EVERYONE needs to be at 100% or you're just not going to make any progress whatsoever.
Ngl, thanks to this man I returned around 5.5, though I wasn't motivated to do anything endgame at the time. It was a hilarious trip watching his + community's reactions, even if a number are a bunch of smoothbrain 1-game Andys (that goes for Wow and FF) or MSQ Vampires. Hopefully we can watch his FF strims again next content lull (or in a better state cuz it sucks ass atm) regardless of the above, I'd love to see him and the family run endgame Savages + Ultimates past HW + Alexander (which are prob still the hardest Savage besides Creator). Maybe this time the weirdos can be better moderated
@18:04 - The Passive Advantages of a Streamer; Totally True - If I were to start, or get in a PF for an Extreme or Savage Prog the group will disband within 30mins because the party is not proging fast enough, or wiping to frequently. Substitute a player for a streamer and all of the sudden the same group will prog for hours until they get the clear.
Asmon's coverage of ff14 is what got me into the game. Now I'm about to start endwalker, buy a house, joined a FC, and am currently leveling all the jobs I played to beat this last expansion with. I'd love to see him cover shadowbringers but man I really did not enjoy most of stormblood.
Asmon is sitting on a goldmine of content for whenever he wants it’s crazy. The day he gets into savage raiding and when he clears his first ultimate, and even when he clears all the ultimates. That content will be insane
Let's not also forget that while a streamer gets an advantage in vetting people and all that while doing something like a raid. A streamer also had to put in the time and work to do the streams, and get noticed, and get noticed before that even took place. It's like going to trade school or getting a useful degree. You spend a shit load of money and time, and the advantage is that it's easier to get into higher-paying positions.
Every mmo and online game has toxicity... however, ffxiv's community is very neurotic and psychotic behind the mask of friendliness. There are layers, here, of the many psychological issues within this community.
He doesn't ban people for disagreeing ( until the majority isn't convinced ) He said he bans people when they are rude. If the truth isn't flattering it's rude.
i loved hearing/seeing you play ff14 made me happy to see the game getting the attention it deserves after playing it for 7 years myself, I dislike gatekeepers so much, even if you admitted to only playing it for the views, i would still feel the same thanks for playing FF14 asmon it was cool!
It's so weird that some people assume playing a game means you have to play it forever. Sometimes 3 months is enough time to enjoy a game and move on. Too many people identify as the game they play. Like "I'm an FF14 player" instead of "I'm playing FF14 RIGHT NOW"
Cope lol
@@knwgt5426 you cope
Especially when the makers of the game noted that its ok to be seasonal member of FFXIV. Play the content for 3 month and then go hiatus till the new content released.
Cope with what? From my understanding of the word "cope" it means finding ways to mentally or emotionally deal with trauma and move forward with your life. I don't know how that applies here. Forgive my ignorance if that word is some other internet slang that I don't know.
@@nahfammmm354 probably some xiv haters. WoW players
Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one. There are so many new games and sequels and only so many hours in the day.
Why this is even news I have no idea. lol It's not the end of the world if a streamers quits.
Gamers are trying different games because FF isn't good enough or doesn't have good enough pull to keep their players.
Omg a female, what's up m'lady
@@TheOneGreat Some gamers get very touchy about their favorite games and streamers.
@@ziudra91 In todays over supplied market you need to make something special to survive.
Asmon's playthrough was like watching a soap opera every evening, it was the most fun I've had watching anyone on Twitch. I hope he comes back to finish the story and high level raids one day and experience it to the fullest.
Fully agree
Hope so
Agreed. I started playing around the same time as him and enjoyed FFXIV immensely. Eventually got caught up to current content and grew bored. I’m now taking a break and haven’t logged in for weeks, yet I’m still looking forward to going back when it has more stuff for me to do. Breaks are okay… and quitting games you’ve tried and don’t love anymore is okay too! Not sure why some people get so threatened by that notion.
Please I need him to start shadowbringers
@@vulgaritar48 Same man. Got almost 3k Hours in 1.5 Years, cleared my first Ultimate and got completely burned out. Haven't played. In almost 6 Month.
I can’t speak for everyone, but most of us in the community were let down that you got dog piled by a few elitist jerks. You made MSQ so fun to watch, and we wanted you to have that whole journey with us. No hard feelings though. We appreciate the energy you brought to the community and the way you continue to speak positively about your experience.
Amen! I'll admit that I hatewatched his stream the morning he started because I always saw him as "the toxic WoW elitist" but I was very happy to see just how much fun he had experiencing the story and I really wish we could see him take it all the way through to the end!
lol shut up
Yeah, it was bullshit. I heard asmongold from the calls to basically harass him off FFXIV. So I checked him out after hearing he was "toxic". Then I checked him out and I found he's a bit rough around the edges, but he's a good dude. He has some opinions that some people find controversial but I think he's a decent dude.
Nah you’re salty
I have no idea what the elitist part is about, but I absolutely agree with everything after!
Also, don’t let the reply(s) try to gaslight you xD
Asmon, if you're reading this- you came to my wedding back when you played- I would personally LOVE to see you wrap up Stormblood and get into Shadowbringers. It's an absolutely top tier expansion with an incredible story that I'm 100% positive you will enjoy. I realize it's not react content or drama, but from a video game perspective, it's a must-play.
Step 1 always welcoming, repeat....
@@mihai000000 i mean shadowbringers is top tier content, so probably when there wont be that many interesting new things he will do it.
Good job in not saying endwalker, cuz the story of that got so bad after first half
@@caiuscosades8538 personally I cried like a baby a number of times during endwalker and found it to be a deeply personal story as good as any of the best the final fantasy has offered. I'm a final fantasy fan though so take that into consideration.
@@caiuscosades8538 while i dont think endwalker is bad, shadowbringers beats it in every aspect. Imo endwalker has problems with pacing and some of the plot lines are unneccesarily prolonged. That being said, i think that moments in e***s region were on par with highlights of Shb.
I'd just like to watch asmon react to the story and raids and stuff in later content because of how better they get from the expansions he already played. Couldn't care less if he sticks to the game, actually I think it's better if he plays other games so that we get the most diverse type of content out of him.
He didn’t want to turn into Final Fantasy stream channel, that’s one of the reason why he doesn’t stream FF14 much, he will eventually play the game again but whenever he wants
This. I just wanted to see him play the MSQ.
Yeah i just want MSQ, more than that is just a bonus
Msq peak content, don't care about rest.
@@Ryotsu2112 Same, I usually jump from online to online game with the ocasional single player game like elden ring or the new RE4. I already have a maxed out character in 14 and being a casual I feel fine coming back to the game every couple of months to do new content and thats it.
I found the most enjoyment just watching him experience the story and get to love all the characters I fell in love with. I would rather just see MSQ and nothing else
I want him to do both
@@davidsantiago7808 sick burn yo.... why dont you follow it up with a mom joke.
@@lutziify Nah I like his reaction to what's going on in the story it was pretty funny.
I've played WoW for 14 years, I am playing FF14 for 8 years now and if there's one thing I give a fuck about, it's what someone else has in the game or is doing. Streamer or not as long as someone doesn't in the game actively harms me, I don't give a damn how he does something, what he got or how he gets things.
People get so obsessed over who has the best parses, who gets the best gear, who has the best guild, who plays the best faction, and they value their own and others' accomplishments in the game as something to lord over other players. Meanwhile I just got home after working a 10 hour shift and just want to play the game and hang out with friends. I'm glad I've got a guild that's chill, but the PUG life is awful cause of these people and their toxic mindset for the game.
yeah bro it happens in every online game, i played for like 25 years hundreds of games and it always the same :/ during the arcade and consoles times it was legit because you achieved things by your own and it was hard as hell sometimes, but now is totally different:/ we have mods, cheaters, and so on THAT some people just get frustrated and mad because they cant get the same... i mean, lots of younger people dont get it, nothing is the same as in the past so why trying to be the best in anygame? even a kid cheating can be better than you now... Just enjoy the GAME and have a fun time, it is not real life... sorry i just get crazy how some people get obsessed with a game.... regards
I agree with you there but it's also when terminology gets confused. I find most WoW transplants don't know FF terminology or don't learn it until later.
I'd love to see Asmon someday come back and finish the MSQ. I'm really interested to hear his thoughts on the story and some of its themes, especially in Shadowbringers and Endwalker. I started watching him when he first started playing and never really watched anyone on Twitch until then and I've found a lot of entertaining streamers that I enjoy watching so that's a huge bonus.
I liked when Asmon played FFXIV because of his comments he makes throughout the story. It was funny when he did content too, I hope he plays it again one day.
and we've got new sayings for things in Eorzea, like "The Redditor" and "Lisa Lomasa" for some.
Like Asmon didn't get flamed for "being carried" when he was doing KSM or getting glad, or when he got mats/gold for honing in LA. This is not a game community issue, it's just a streamer issue in ANY game.
Any more than that is jumping on the "wholesome community btw" bandwagon, but hey, FFXIV is in a content lull so I guess this gives more clicks.
I don't think Arthar is being disingenous here, but I think he's really biased from his perspective as a raider. Like, the people that are super welcoming and friendly during the MSQ are just not going to be the same people sticking around for hours a day of savage/ultimate prog. Of course someone doing post MSQ raiding is gonna attract more toxicity than a casual story stream. That's just the nature of endgame content, in MMOs especially.
Content lull? That only matters for people who have finished the content. If he wanted clicks he could just play the game, FFXIV fans are starved for content right now. That's why there's so many "controversies" lately, people have nothing to talk about so they just make shit up.
I never played WoW, but I'm one of Asmon's mythical female watchers who just enjoys his takes. I saw him playing FF14 and realized that it had a slow start and I could learn to play this kind of mmorpg too! I've never looked back since. I love FF14 and my catboi... and I am thankful to Asmon for trying it out on stream and giving me a hint of what it was like. Of course, I hope he returns to finish the MSQ, but I believe in everyone taking breaks and doing what they are interested in. A large majority of us are taking breaks ourselves, touching grass, and enjoying FF14 in our own individual ways. I hope everyone will fight this "all or nothing" rhetoric and rediscover creative productivity outside of gaming.
Make me a sandwich, that’s the only thing your good for
You had me at "mythical female watcher."
Saaaame xD
IM A FEMALE IM A FEMALE HEY GUYS DID YOU KNOW IM A FEMALE? THAT GIVES WHAT IM ABOUT TO SAY MORE WEIGHT FOR SOME REASON
@@screwgoogle4993Homie, who hurt you?
I’ve been playing since Asmon started back in 2021, he got me interested in giving it a shot and I’ve played ever since. Anyone else in the same boat?
This “community” referred to in the video is such a small percent of the player base that are just loud and weird, the normal players and content enjoyers would love to see Asmon play again with no expectations. For me I just want to see Asmon play through the game he himself got so many players to start playing. While unlikely I’ll keep a sliver of hope 😅
As always the one shooting the loudest are NEVER the majority.
It happened in Wow, diablo, elden ring, FF XI, FF XIV, ...
I've been playing long before he started but when he did, I found his channel and followed him ever since cause all his content is fun. I'm glad he brought new people to this game, I befriended people in game that are ex-wow because of Asmon. He doesn't have to play if he doesn't want to, I don't really understand why some ffxiv players are upset by it tbh. If he prefers WoW, I don't see what's wrong with that.I also saw people saying things like "he's getting carried" and slagging off streamers, sadly the guy is right. They did get jealous of the clears lol. It's kinda the reddit and twitter communities that are ruining it for people, never seems to happen in game. I'm kinda embarrassed of the social media ffxiv crowd tbh, rather toxic.
Yup I started after watching him and its been my favorite game ever since
@@puddingway9231 Honestly it comes down to tribalism in my eyes, a minority of FFXIV players are very tribal and it's either you're one of us or against us, and sadly those tend to be the people mostly engaged in any content surrounding the game too, same people who if they see Asmon at FanFest might be likely to approach him with the intent only to be nasty and nothing else. You're on point about it mostly being the social media people who are doing it, been playing since 2017 and I've met one single person who actively dislikes Asmon, and it's a terminally online loser who does nothing but watch FF content and doesn't even have a job, just sits on social media all day tweeting about the game and the community, it sadly wouldn't surprise me if the rest who act like that were the exact same.
Yeah it really does suck because 97% of the community probably isn't saying much at all.
The devs themselves say to take breaks and just come back when there’s new patch updates or a new expansion entirely
I forget who said it but someone said something like “they probably keep so many players because they don’t try to keep their players”
And just from asmon giving the game a shot and showing it off, there was a huge spike in players during the biggest downtime the game has probably ever had
truly is amazing how much enjoyment you can get out of something when you engage with it on your terms instead of its terms.
@@masterpain7742 I didn't say anything about him still playing it, just that him playing *period* got a ton of people to come try the game and gave it a huge spike during a big downtime period
If he comes back or not I don't really mind, he seems much happier sticking with wow and reactions
Die hard wow player here!.. But holy shiiit!!! His FFXIV streams was the funniest shit i have ever watched with him! It was 10h of non-stop laughs! Man it could cure cancer! Good times! 🥰
I feel like the "purity checks" weren't by FF andys but WoW Andys, who didn't wanted Asmon to actually like the game.
Nah. Many of us actually don't give a shit outside of a LARGE vocal minority.
It was both. Every community has weirdos.
@@russpc9739 Literally been proven that WoW players were doing such things. Ask Naowh.
@@tessa8484 and it's been proven to be ff14 players too .. from asmon stream months ago ...
@@Wolfyyy "No its Wow andies fault Waaaghh"
"No Its actually FF andies Fault..Waaaghh"
JFC you people are past your bedtime, go home and sleep.
Difference between most communities in this game and my own community i created around barding is, most other communities are elitist and around making the community leaders rich in game, whereas my own community lead mostly by myself was lead by someone who would help anyone else wanting to play music but not knowing how have me within 5 mins sort out their keyboard, give them the midi files for songs they want and teach them how to use timing etc.. and on top of that it was not about making money, it was about making enjoyment for people, i always had only a few hundred Gil at most on my main because of this, and any time i made gil through actual game content i almost imediately spent it on making my free company private room better, and spending it on my friends houses who where being used as nightclubs by the nighttime community of DJ's. We had such a blast to be honest, and it was mostly fun doing community driven content, where elitism was less of an issue. Getting involved in any of the various cliques who i had friends within just caused issues, and ended up with me spending too much time sorting them out to stop it effecting my bard community.. needless to say ive had to take ever increasing breaks from the game, with this last one being a few months this time rather than a week or two. I bet that when i go back massive divides will have formed and the community will be totally different, hell i took a two week break and came back once to a community completely different and the bard community on the server had almost died because of it. Spent a month trying to rebuild it, but found rather than trying to sort out the divides i was having more luck just picking up newer people to join the community as those pathetic divides over things that where trivial where just two strong a divide, and whats worse is those divides where caused by one or two individuals who for almost no reason just wanted to cause drama over nothing.
Strong personalities on entitled people can destroy communities easier than it takes to build up a community, even if that community has a strong foundation.
The irony is, only the loud parts of the community is exactly as Arthars described. The rest of us could give so little of a shit to the point that people don't even know who Asmon, Preach or any of these streamers are. My FC and several of my Crossworld Linkshells are so full of casual people, when I make a meme joke from when Asmon played (such as the Asmon swap or "family"), people get thoroughly confused.
Honestly that's how the communities for most games are. Hell, most THINGS, media or not. The jerks are always the loudest, because everyone else just wants to enjoy things and thus won't be complaining loudly.
I miss the FAMILY i hope one day Asmon will comeback and reach Endwalker, even if takes time to reach there 👍
FF14 has one of the most toxic communities i've come accross, and it's toxicity is only amplified by the false positive and welcoming image they put out.
FF14 community is a giant honey trap. They look nice and welcoming but you just need to skim the UA-cam comments of FFXIV players to see how they really are. They will gaslight you into thinking all communities are just like them or worse, but any sane person who has played more than one game will tell you that's not true.
To this date it's the only community that makes witchhunting every WFR a pastime. League is less toxic.
Asmon certainly had a very interesting presentation for the MSQ and it was quite enjoyable. His and Preach's reactions to the MSQ were my favorites. Hope he completes it one day (would also be interesting to see his reaction to stuff like Hildabrand). Might be a while until there is a games/content lul before he has the time to dump a bunch of time into more.
Most of the ff14 community that watches ff14 content doesn't do savage/ultimates if they did they would know it is very hard to actually carry someone that person needs to have some level of skill. does it make it easier when 7/8 of the people have cleared the content and know their rotation with a blindfold? yes but it doesn't mean that 8th person can stand in 1 spot and do fuck all.
@@ZarathosDaimaoh yeah there are a lot of savage mechanics that will wipe the whole party by just 1 person messing up i'm not saying savage is hard by any means but, i am saying they require a lot of personal responsibility. but yeah always gotta keep it into perspective only around 10-20% of players do savage ON content and less than that complete the whole thing so most people haven't cleared it themselves but also want to talk shit.
Honestly, the only WoW Streamer who came in that I actually think was bad for the community, is Pyromancer. Didn't know much about him beforehand, but the amount of brainless tyrades followed by half-baked "I apologize, I'll do better" tweets (which of course are undercut by his other tweets actively picking fights with anyone who dares disagree with him). He seems to be aware of his own mental instability while simultaneously putting himself in situations that are bad for his mental state. I don't get it.
He was toxic even in his early wow days, begging for money because he was allergic to work
@@ZarathosDaimaoh Yeah... "It's not about the chair, it's about racism! Well it's not about racism, it's about discrimination! Well it's not about discrimination, it's about the idea! Well..."
I finally had a thunk. The Lala baby chair...it wasn't made for the community. IT was made for Pyro because he's such a baby.
You don't become a FF14 streamer. You stream the MSQ like any other single player game and then you stop streaming it and you play it on your own time, if you want.
That's where Arthars should have drawn the red line.
This does not just apply to FFXIV. It's okay to play other games and come back that's the way I treat every other MMO. I do that with FFXIV and Destiny 2. Once I play the new content I take a break and play console games and come back later.
It's ridiculous that people can't do that without other saying they quit the game.🙄🙄
@@enderfawx3063 exactly I basically do a game roulette it keeps the game fresh or else you get burnout.
There's way too many exciting game experiences to stick to one. 😁🤘
People actually CAN do that. Its just streamers problem mostly :)
It's almost like... there are multiple games!
FF XIV is not immune to elitist jackholes; a lot of players in big online games get pissed super easy for the mildest offenses from the famous because theu take so much ownership over these games.
I think Asmon doing Savage tier raids would be some of the best content he could possibly offer ATM. Aside from being hugely rewarding he gets to demonstrate his MMO skill and play some badass fights.
Also his MSQ streams are top tier. He's in a lul with StB rn but the second he gets to Post-StB it'll be all go.
@@thatlonzoguy Man, I don't agree with this take personally. ShB and EW blow StB out of the water. StB is the worst of the expansions, in my opinion.
Quickest way to get Asmon to react to your video- put him in the thumbnail.
I will say, as an FFXIV player since the relaunch of ARR, the FFXIV community in game is fantastic. The FFXIV community on social media and Twitch? Fucking toxic. Unless it's your forever game most people will hound you until you play it again and it's embarrassing.
This guy might have made the most completely based video with regards to anything in FF14.
"Why do you guys think Preach grew hair again?! Why do you think Asmon is balding?! BECAUSE ASMON CROSSED THE LINE!!!"
I'm absolutely lovin' this guy! Certainly helps that he's actually pretty god damn on point, too.
The "that's what a cultist would say" in the very end got me good
I knew jack squat about FF when Asmon started playing the MSQ back in the day. But I enjoyed it so much that I actually watched all of it and even anticipated the next episode.
It was peak Asmongold content in my eyes.
Arthar's take is hugely exaggerated imo, pyromancer was looking for drama and he found it and rich's situation was mostly aggravated by the community of the streamers he g̶o̶t̶ ̶c̶a̶r̶r̶i̶e̶d̶ ̶b̶y̶ raided with, not the actual regular player.
Asmon was genuinely well received by the community because he actually gave the game a chance and seemed like an actual likeable person, which he is. I personally knew about him, but would never watch his content because it didn't interest me, but it was very nice to watch someone come from such a different game and seem like he was having fun again.
For me the reason why I quit ff14 was because I got too invested in it. The world and the characters become my life and I was neglecting everything else irl. It feels great when I play the game but after each session I was getting into a very empty and disconnected state.
Same here, just couldn't put a cork on it and it always got out of hand
thats dumb,
This happened when I first started playing, but I got through it, and now I only play for a few hours a night without issue.
Same here! That's happening to me right now. I feel disgusted because of how much time I put into this game instead of spending it with my family or friends, or just other games in general. I love the game, it's my all time favorite. But I need a break.
@@EpickBoi I wish I had family worth spending time with, or friends outside the game. You are lucky.
Every MMO community is filled with people who have no time for any other game and see it as treason to play anything else.
Just look at all the drama now that most streamers have stopped playing dragonflight after the honeymoon period ended.
But they know that they are gonna go back to wow with the new patch unlike FF unfortunately. Relatively new mmos are yet to break through this boundary
Most streamers still play dragonflight... lol
Noone stopped playing it.
@@akhsdenlew1861 playing another game means you quit. Didn't you know?
@@CL-jq1xs Ah yes i forgot sorry.
@@akhsdenlew1861 case in point
Man, this sure as shit sounds a hell of a lot like "First World Streamer Problems."
It's a game. A GAME. This shit is not that serious for 90% of the player base. Play it if you want. Don't if you don't. Take a break if the content is in a lull, go play another game. Come back if you want, or don't. No one cares... And the people that do care about whether or not a streamer plays a video game, well, let's just say that it is a pretty damn good sign that person has Z E R O problems going on in their life if THAT is an issue. People worried about employment or finances or feeding their families give Z E R O fucks about streamers playing games.
I swear, some people need to actually grow up because even though they may be in their 30's they still have the mind of a toddler.
Took the words right out of my mouth well done
I've never gone out of my way to help people in XIV because i;'m bored. I help because I genuinely enjoy helping. I've often had a ton of other stuff I had to do that ended up getting put on hold because a new player needed help with something.
We are in an age where a game without so many content creators dies even if the quality of the game is good? ridiculous
I don’t think that’s true. Content creators and viewers are in a bubble while most people don’t even consume this type of content, they just play the game. Content creators may boost player numbers for a whie tho which happened with FF14 for sure, but the game still has a healthy number of players.
@@RisqueBisquetz A game is alive for as long as players see it worthwhile to put in the time to play it.
To be honest, I enjoy watching Asmon playing FF14 MSQ. However, I don't really care about the gear that much in FF14 than I was in WOW. I think it's because of the Synchronize system that is in place of the FF14. That even if you have a God like gear you don't really feel it, but it's ok. I am used to it now.
What I am trying to say is that Asmon can just complete his MSQ and leave the rest if he doesn't feel like it. There are a lot of streamers that plays MSQ and once his or her MSQ is complete, they just left and play other games and come back when there are updates or new story lines.
TBH, as an FFXIV player, this is pretty fair. I know I'm guilty of looping the first half at least and giving preferential treatment to those I run content with and push through the slowness of the early game to the newer player when given the choice. Worth a note that each end every one of these stages has a chance of being a different subgroup of people (so those in step 2 aren't necessarily the same people in step 5 for example), but this is a pretty fair birds-eye view.
Here's the streamer experience of FFXIV:
1. Start playing the game and get insane welcoming and support
2. Continue through the msq and have a lot of fun and support.
3. Finish msq and get dumped by the majority of the community as they move on to another streamer.
The problem is alot of streamers aren't entertaining enough in their own right so after msq they get boring
@@johadgan this, community just wants to experience the msq again through a new person's reaction.
The bottom line is this, FFXIV is a game and a community that never really needed "content creators". Most of the "community" streamers talk about don't give a single care about any of them beyond who makes good guides and I feel like a lot of streamers don't know how to deal with a community that doesn't perpetually seal clap everything they say or do. I wouldn't hold Arthars up as a good judge of such things anyhow, he's always been at odds and is coming from a place of bias.
I still can hope and dream Asmon will play FFXIV again even though I know it's not gonna happen. It's what got me into watching him In the first place.
Addiction is real... They CANNOT stop themselves from playing WOW... It's just NOT possible. Doesn't matter how much Blizzard abuses them, how much Blizzard openly mocks them... They will ALWAYS come back...
WOW Payers: "Thank You Blizzard, may I have another!?"
I just would like to see Asmon return to the game for the MSQ. I love watching streamer reactions to the MSQ. It's a joy to see others go through all the same emotions I did when I did the MSQ. That's really all I like to watch when it comes to FF14 streaming. Don't care for raid content.
I don't mind asmon playing other games, but I want to see him finishing the game when the new graphical update comes out. Asmon's ff14 msq contents are really enjoyable I hope to see them more.
i think the graphical update will only be on the new content .Am i wrong ?
@@vankal2127 Seems to be a general update, there are screenshots of Kugane as well, for example.
@@allthatishere 7.0 , basically next expansion, which will basically come out next year.
@@vankal2127 No. The update will be for pretty much everything. That said, the lighting rework might be something that is rolled out over older content over time as updating lighting would likely be more intensive than the other aspects of the rework like the materials and texture upgrades.
@@vankal2127 that won’t be out for awhile
Bummed Asmon hasn't reached Shadowbringers and Endwalker yet. Would be super fun to watch him see that story wrap up.
Hardcore players are what drove me out of WoW, I hope that at least one MMO can avoid them taking over.
impossible.
FFXIV doesn't have a hardcore player issue. It has a casual player issue.
Final Fantasy XIV is a fun game, but it's different from other MMORPGs in that I don't really feel like you're supposed to keep playing it the entire expansion. The content is very easy to get into and it's not punishing at all to get out either. It's just not comparable to a game like WoW, where the design goal is to keep you playing all the time. Either option is fine, both games have their own strengths. There were many times were I'd hoped for a mode similar to Mythic+ when I was bored in FFXIV for the lack of gear progression outside of raids, and there were times when I played WoW and felt really left behind because I missed a few months of content with no easy way of catching up and playing with friends. Ultimately it comes down to what you enjoy, and you don't even have to pick between the games.
Ultimately the best FFXIV experience for the average player would probably be finishing the story, the EX trials, some Savage fights and maybe an Ultimate if they really wanna put themselves through some pain, and then returning for the next big expansion. There is just very little reason to stay subscribed for 2+ years, and the devs keep telling people that yet some players don't listen and get burnt out or complain about lack of grindable content. I think these are just two philisophies crashing.
About the bigger streamers getting carried..... yes they absolutely get carried. And it's not even about their personal skill, some of them are good from the getgo. The thing is they get handed a capable group and perfect learning environment for harder content immediately without any doubt or discussion and hardly ever get dragged down by the failure of other players. Combine that with almost unlimited time to play the game if they decide to do so and they are bound to succeed easily. No one should hate them for it but if streamers think they don't get carried doing hard content they are in denial. Depending on the game I would assume a normal player would have to put in about 3 to 5 times the time and effort as a big streamer to beat the same content. The whole situation can easily make people jealous, especially if they have limited time playing the game cos of work. Getting mad about it doesn't help them either though, that's the sad truth.
Personally I just wanna see Asmond experience the MSQ plus whatever antics he does next like the raids or rp venues lol. Tbh I can see him coming back to the game for 7.0 because of the graphics updates, its the only thing he emphasizes the most when FFXIV comes up and is my guess is what he looks forward to the most aside from meeting the community in Fan Fest.
I think there was a ton of people sowing division during this time, people not playing FF14 claiming they were causing drama and vice versa.
'Never' is such weird word. They ALWAYS comeback 😂
The comments under that video prove him right lmao. Least self aware community
Um like I’m not disagreeing with this guys opinion, because I’m not a fukn streamer I just play 14… before I started 14 I played swtor for a very long time, and in swtor all I did was raid with my guild and pvp at that point, I’d already finished everything else the game had. Then my friend convinced me to try 14…. Going from an mmo where your already in endgame, a game you know how to play and your really fukn good at playing, to a game where you have to wait through base and 3 long ass expansions to get to the current end point is a fukn commitment man. I been playing 14 for a year now and I just finished stormblood, I’m not even up to fukn shadowbringers yet man. It gets frustrating and yes sure the story only gets better, but that doesn’t suddenly wipe out the fact that every time I finish another expansion I have to quit for a month or so just to prepare myself for the absolute shitload of random shit I just know I’m gunna get involved in doing before I even get to the next expansion…. It’s just a lot man. The game is massive, and everything is locked behind the story, not saying that’s a bad thing but it’s just tiring even if you love it.
Generally FF14 players are pretty chill and play a bunch of other games themselves. I think a lot of the bad experience was from a few of the crazy neckbeards who make FF14 their life, and some bad actors from the WoW side that were angry you had left them for FF14.
Everyone has their own reason to play. Our own experiences with the community also depends on who or which sub-communities we associate or interact with. I’ve been playing on and off since 2020, sometimes taking almost a year off, play for 2 months, then quit again. Right now I’m hanging out with people I met from another game and we’re practicing tackling the harder contents. No pressure, just playing.
The reason i started to play this game was due to Asmon tbh, and its sad that he never came back.
I remember that it was my highlight of the day. It was like you know when there is a good movie on the tv you get all hyped? thats how i felt everytime he came online to stream FF.
What happend last year was very sad, where he sed he is comming back and then he barely played.
I know he does 90% reaction stuff these days, but i hope he one day starts to play the game again. Shadowbringer and Endwalker are the two best expansions ever in an MMO game and i would love seeing him play through them.
btw im a WoW player so i might be in a minority, but back when Asmon played FF i did it too, but i did go through all MSQ and finished Endwalker.
Asmon as a longtime viewer and FFXIV player I’d love to see you come back and finish the game! Your content was fantastic!
Even Yoshi-P and his dev team have said (paraphrasing):
"Are you bored of our game and want to play something else? Go ahead and do it!
We created our game so you can have fun with it, not to imprission you in it. We want to respect your time!".
yeah there are plenty of this kinda shit they put in the game. don't get me wrong, I love the game, but all that "we respect your time" shit is just hypocrisy.
They said this in STORMBLOOD which at the time had butt loads of content everywhere. In Endwalker it's a corporate lie to disguise the facts that they don't respect your money.
I really wish that asmon just do the MSQ and finish Shadowbringers, that expansion was so good, I wanna see his reaction and review the story, I hope he likes it
Streamers are the target of so much toxicity it's crazy. As a casual nobody I've had nothing but great experiences in ff14.
This is not really accurate. There's a large part of the community that only watch MSQ. Most of the viewers leaves by the time you finish the MSQ and start Savage.
I get the community though, watching a big streamer play is like having a celebrity come by and just sweep you.
It's like being at a bronze tier airport lounge and thinking "Hey it's actually pretty nice here, I really wish my inspiration could come here and hang out", and then they show up with a posse of 50 people and a a million paparazzi and are given a triple platinum ultra-lounge with free champagne and a complimentary all-you-can-eat gold-encrusted buffet.
Like yeah sure, nice to have you but like... the privelege leaves a bitter taste to be sure.
Watching someone clear an ultimate when they've never even seen a raid before because they get a free group of 7 triple legend raiders who've raided every week for the last 6 years just because they're famous is like... imo fairly cheap and upsetting. Agree or disagree, that's how I feel at least.
Oi Asmon, long time WoW, FFXiV and GW2 player here. Dude... do whatever the heck you wanna do. Just have fun, fk all them other people.
While I absolutely enjoyed watching Asmon add his own brand of humor to the MSQ and wish that those streams continued a bit longer, I also think FFXIV (in general) isn't the type of game for him.
People complaining about streamers getting all the advantages and getting carried should just be streamers themselves and see how much effort it takes to be sociable and relatable enough for other people to want to play with you. It's a skill in and of itself, and these losers are just experiencing the usual "skill issue" conundrum and they hate streamers for it.
Asmongold talking about the ease of FFXIV's MSQ is like someone who only read the Hobbit talking about how easy it was to read the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy.
I played FF14 for nearly 2 years after Shadowlands completely shit the bed for me (just before Nathria launched). Best 2 years of my time in gaming. Met some Amazing people, built an incredible community, had a total blast.
Burnout happens, guys.
@@masterpain7742 That I did, despite swearing it off forever at first. Dragonflight's just that good of an improvement.
I actually tried ff14, but I really couldn't enjoy the feel of fighting in the game. If playing a magic character it's amazing with the great light shows, but playing a character that does physical damage like archer... yikes was not at all satisfying yo watch as pressed buttons. I was definitely spoiled by WoW's great gameplay when it came to fighting.
I do want to say that:
1. Not all players are streamers (shocker right)
2. It's not always the same ppl at the different stages
People just want the react content to the MSQ, I don’t think most of the people that want for Asmon to play ffxiv care for him to stay after the msq react
Been playing since 2.0 on and off, only just now realizing how much drama goes on. Never knew about the lalafell drama until now, never knew about questionable players privating their accounts until now. God.. now I wish I was back under my rock haha.
Sincerely theses dramas are so small. The streamers are making tjem bigger and cooking them for views. They are the equivalent of a gossips magazine
@@notfound8014 yeah, cuz i was like... what the heck...????
It does makes for good popcorn entertainment material. especially while crafting/gathering or just leveling. haha.
I don't think the 14 community is any worse than any other mmo community. It feels like he problem is that we have 4 to 5 thousand incredibly crazy people that go from stream to stream and do nothing else but play 14.
I think it feels worse than it is because of how welcoming it is to newer players. It can be really jarring to start the game with random people gifting you or offering to help or laughing off your mistakes; but the second you lose your sprout symbol the entire dynamic shifts. If you haven't found an active and close knit FC before you lose your sprout symbol, you're gonna have a roooough time.
@@sway_onthetrail I think that all depends on the people. I've been in the same FC for 10 years now and we always accept new people regardless of skill to see if they fit in. Very little drama, quite a few of us have gold parses in different fights.
That dude has the most stereotypical asian accent Ive ever heard 🤣🤣🤣🤣
probably because he's not a native english speaker
@@apostatis it is called Singlish
@Oscar Alvarenga He's Singaporean so his 1st language may not be English, and if it is, the accent is still influenced by people around him.
Not everyone has the same accent after all, and that includes native English speakers (American, British, Australian).
@Oscar Alvarenga L
Honestly, I was just disappointed when Asmon stopped playing ffxiv. It's okay that there's other stuff to do, since he's a content creator and all, and people in the community can be dumb. I just wanted to see his reactions to the story, but I'm happy enough that he gave the game a fair shot.
Would love to see him back to experience Shadowbringers
7:25 I like how he goes " This is me telling you, *tread very carefully* " with the effect emphasising Asmons camera.
I've never been one to take a game and make it my personality. Play what you want Asmon.
i got bored on my main character because everything got kinda stale for me so i made an alt to experience the story again, and focus more on glamour than fighting / MSQ 🤷🏾♀️ FF14 is what you make it
I would love to see Asmon tackle the harder content in ff14 at max level. I think the highest level he played was like level 60
The FF14 community wasn't like this until the game became popular and had a surge of new players. When something becomes mainstream, sadly all the rats come too.
@Ci Al No community is perfect but it definitely got worse when "normies" joined in.
I'm still hoping Asmon goes back and finishes the FFXIV story. I want to see him react to some of my favorite storytelling in video games ever. I legitimately think he would probably be crying like the rest of us in Endwalker. xD
Damn. Sounds like I need to be a streamer for FFXIV in order to get the proper experience doing content. The worst part about doing content with randos isn't needing to wait for someone to understand mechanics (though that can be a factor) it's the lack of patience and perseverance to get through the whole encounter. I can't tell you how many times people will refuse to learn and expect to be carried. It's why statics are practically mandatory at this point.
14's community is so cult like. It gets really weird.
Someone please tell me when Asmon comes back to FF14. I really want to see him finish stormblood and go into shadowbringers. TY
I understand how it might look on a surface level but I have my doubts that the people in the community being supportive are the same people being toxic, they are not a monolith.
I think that the base trials are there just for the main story. Like, it's easy to do, somewhat hard because you're supposed to be leveling up, getting stronger, blah, blah, blah and the base trials are there just to help you progress through the story. The harder trials/raids/whatevers exist for those who actually enjoy having a challenge instead of just watching a story.
Streamers should have advantages. I'd rather watch a streamer do the content rather than grind for days. It's about entertainment
I would like to see him at least finish the story, idc if he does the raids and trials and such, but at least finish the story. Especially if he says he would go to Fan Fest(although he could just be trolling).
someone needs to show him the arthars video about him talking about how its literally impossible to be carried in a current ultimate. You can absolutely be carried in the old ones. TOP? That shit is perfectly tuned in a way that EVERYONE needs to be at 100% or you're just not going to make any progress whatsoever.
Ngl, thanks to this man I returned around 5.5, though I wasn't motivated to do anything endgame at the time. It was a hilarious trip watching his + community's reactions, even if a number are a bunch of smoothbrain 1-game Andys (that goes for Wow and FF) or MSQ Vampires.
Hopefully we can watch his FF strims again next content lull (or in a better state cuz it sucks ass atm) regardless of the above, I'd love to see him and the family run endgame Savages + Ultimates past HW + Alexander (which are prob still the hardest Savage besides Creator). Maybe this time the weirdos can be better moderated
@18:04 - The Passive Advantages of a Streamer; Totally True - If I were to start, or get in a PF for an Extreme or Savage Prog the group will disband within 30mins because the party is not proging fast enough, or wiping to frequently. Substitute a player for a streamer and all of the sudden the same group will prog for hours until they get the clear.
Toxic positivity is a real thing.
Asmon's coverage of ff14 is what got me into the game. Now I'm about to start endwalker, buy a house, joined a FC, and am currently leveling all the jobs I played to beat this last expansion with. I'd love to see him cover shadowbringers but man I really did not enjoy most of stormblood.
Says person who literally plays garbage tier mmo world of warcraft LMAO
Asmon is sitting on a goldmine of content for whenever he wants it’s crazy. The day he gets into savage raiding and when he clears his first ultimate, and even when he clears all the ultimates. That content will be insane
Most people only care about the story/his thoughts on the story.
Let's not also forget that while a streamer gets an advantage in vetting people and all that while doing something like a raid. A streamer also had to put in the time and work to do the streams, and get noticed, and get noticed before that even took place. It's like going to trade school or getting a useful degree. You spend a shit load of money and time, and the advantage is that it's easier to get into higher-paying positions.
Most successful streamers will tell you it was dumb luck, not your blue collar bootstrap fantasy.
People like watching Asmon play the story & try the raids. Doesn't matter if he continues to play after he finishes everything.
Every mmo and online game has toxicity... however, ffxiv's community is very neurotic and psychotic behind the mask of friendliness.
There are layers, here, of the many psychological issues within this community.
haha Asmon banning anyone who disagrees with him
'It does not bother me that much particularly by the way'
He doesn't ban people for disagreeing ( until the majority isn't convinced ) He said he bans people when they are rude. If the truth isn't flattering it's rude.
Everyone was picking up FF until dragonflight or whatever other games. It was literally a flavor of the month for like 1 year.
i loved hearing/seeing you play ff14 made me happy to see the game getting the attention it deserves after playing it for 7 years myself, I dislike gatekeepers so much, even if you admitted to only playing it for the views, i would still feel the same thanks for playing FF14 asmon it was cool!